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JMDL Digest Sunday, November 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 478
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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joni's SK lifetime achievement award [Evian ]
RE: petula's birthday (NJC) [Catherine Turley ]
Re: Downtown [NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ]
Thanks and goodbye from Denise [Denisongs@aol.com]
Re: (NJC) Joni the Deconstructionist [LRFye@aol.com]
Joni all day Sunday! [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
NJC - Raitt and Yearwood duet last night ["philip" ]
You know you're a Joni addict when... [Phyliss Ward ]
NJC-Dave lives the Karma thing ["Marsha" ]
NJC To see or not to see ["wallykai" ]
Re: Ottawa Report [KCooper984@aol.com]
NJC: Joni's Tears Of Joy ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ]
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:28:51 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: joni's SK lifetime achievement award
> 1993: Joni receives a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Saskatchewan
> Recording Industry Association. The presentation was held at the Willows
> Golf Resort in Saskatoon and attended by her parents and former teachers.
> Joni said "Awards don't mean that much to me. That people like the music is
> the best award." After the presentation Joni gave an hour long interview
> and performed a new song called 'The Magdalene Laundries" that she said she
> planned to record with Sinead O'Connor on background vocals.
>
I have been trying to track the video of this ceremony down for years
now! I watched it on the local events station in Saskatoon right after,
and meant to tape it the next time it was on, but missed it. I called
the station this year actually to get a copy, but they gave me a big
runaround about how since it has been more than 6 months since it was
aired, they no longer have copyright to sell it. So, my question is,
who has the copyright to it now? I wrote to the station asking how I
can get a copy, but of course they didn't answer me. It was a great
interview, very relaxed and funny, with Joni talking to the audience
throughout since she knew most everyone. I think Don was the one who
interviewed her. She also sang ML too!
Cheers,
Evian
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:44:34 -0700
From: Catherine Turley
Subject: RE: petula's birthday (NJC)
Bill Dollinger wrote:
>one of my most vivid memories of my childhood hearing
>the song "downtown" while feeling so small in the back seat.
Reading this and other memories of this song brought back an
archtypically miserable summer family car trip between Washington state
and Arizona-- not quite five years old, stuck in the back seat with two
siblings for a three day drive through what appeared to me to be the
never ending middle of nowhere. Only occasionally in the daytime could
we get any AM radio reception. When the parents could find a station,
the only song we seemed able to pick up was "Downtown." Fifteen hundred
miles each direction of kids whining and crying, silence, and
"Downtown." I've not been a big Petula fan, but about 20 years after
the car trip, on impulse, I bought the song on a cd single, popped it in
the player and sang along word for word, from start to finish. Talk
about singing with in permanent ink . .
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 06:56:01 EST
From: KCooper984@aol.com
Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC)
In a message dated 98-11-13 14:40:03 EST, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes:
<< one of my most vivid
> memories of my childhood was my first trip to the
> big city of rochester new york with my mom,
> hearing the song "downtown" while feeling so small
> in the back seat. didn't petula catch some flack
> for singing a love song with harry belafonte?
>>
Joni just played in the "big city" of Rochester, NY on Nov. 3!!!!!! And I got
to see her !
Sue Cooper
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:58:18 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: The Chicken Pychobabble Circle Game (NJC)
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/13/98 11:33:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> artwear@ncweb.com writes:
>
> << > Q: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?
> > A: SEE BELOW
> >
>
> Most importantly: To prove to the possum that it could be done!
>
> And lest we not forget the armadillo, which is a tank with a possum driving!
and what do you get if you cross a tortoise with a vibrator?An Armadildo!
>
>
> Paul I
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:11:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)"
Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC)
And I remember staying the weekend many times at my grandmother's place
who still lived near "downtown" I was about 14 and she let me smoke
cigarettes while we stayed up all night playing pinochle for hours on end.
She had a tiny radio on the kitchen table and about every hour they'd play
downtown. My grandmother and eye would join in with Petulia and sing
Downtown, things will be great....
God I miss her.
Jerry
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Mark or Travis wrote:
> I remember my older sister bought the single 'Downtown' but I think I
> played it more than she did. Had to memorize every word & every note.
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:17:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)"
Subject: Joni Review (fwd)
From my aunt in Buffalo. Had not seen a review from Rochester so I thought
I would post.
Jerry
np: Petulia Clark - Seasons of Love
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:52:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Elaine M. Thrasher
To: Gerald Notaro
Subject: Joni Review
Dear Jerry,
Enjoyed reading all the mail about Joni and your trip. Thanks so much for
thinking of me. I came across a Joni & Bob review that was in our Buffalo
News written by Anthony Violanti that I will send you but will type a
condensed version so you can forward it on.
Bob Dylan looks forward, Joni Mitchell looks back....(Headline)
Rochester - Age is no barrier for icons.
While John Glenn was soaring through the heavens, Bob Dylan and Joni
Mitchell, a couple of other historical figures of the 1960's gave a
rousing and gritty performance Tues. night in Roch Blue Cross Arena.
Dylan 57, tours constantly, but for Mitchell 55, it was a rare live
performance in this part of the state. She is on her first tour in nearly
15 years. Teaming with Dylan made Mitchell's appearance more special,
despite her flu-weakened physical condition and a somewhat hoarse voice.
"I'm in kind of a state of mild delirium," she said at one point in her
one hour set. "We flew in here and I barely made it."
She started off her show with a raspy version of one of her standards,
"Big Yellow Taxi." She stood alone on stage, playing an electric guitar.
Age has not diminished her appearance; she still is radiant with high
cheekbones, flowing blond hair and an alluring stage presence.
Mitchell's mood was at first humorous, but it soon switched to irritable.
During "Taxi," she joked with the crowd saying, "This is how Bob Dylan
would sing it," and then went into a nasal, twangy imitation of Dylan.
That brought laughs, but her attitude quickly changed on the next number.
Michell, who went on about 10 minutes early, stood alone on stage playing
the opening notes on her guitar to "Just Like This Train," a slow number
that builds with momentum. A number of people were still walking to their
seats when suddenly Mitchell stopped playing the song.
"It's really hard to concentrate with all you people moving out there,"
she snarled into the mircophone. "I'll give you a minute to move, and
then we'll start again." She stood silently glaring at the crowd for
nearly a minute. A nervous silence fell over the audience, as if they
were being scolded by a teacher in class.
Mitchell, obviously bothered by the flu, picked up the beat to the song
and all was well. She later apologized for her outburst. "That's OK,
Joni, we love you," one male fan yelled out, and M smiled and said, "Thank
you."
M's set was for the most part earnest and solemn. She is known for her
musical experimentation and this night was another example of her daring.
She turned to a soft jazz sound for a number of songs, and seemed to
delight in challenging the fans.
Not all of the paying customers were ready to accept M's improvisations,
but they sat quietly and listened. As she sang each song, though, the
music picked up its own intensity. The music was so intelligent and the
lyrics so deep that fans had to make a commitment to the performer and her
work. Most did, but some remained lost.
The music reached a peak on M's last two songs. She sang a soulful and
emotional version of M. Gaye's "Trouble Man." She looked like a torch
singer in an ankle-length satin dress. Smoking a cig, she slinked around
the stage as her four-piece band supplied the musical backing.
M was riveting on her cover of Billie Holiday's "Comes Love." She did
justice to H's blues number.
The encore featured M alone on stage one more with her guitar doing
"Woodstock." This was not the young and idealistic version, but a rather
stark look back from a veteran who lived through hard times.
Dylan, in contrast to Mitchell, was feeling frisky all night long.....etc.
etc. (will send the rest of the article via snail mail)
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:21:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)"
Subject: Re: Downtown [NJC)
> It reminds me of that Murphy Brown Xmas episode, the one she and her
> co-workers are locked out in a terrace outside their office, and Corky
> starts singing Downtown. Everybody joins in. When they're through, Murphy
> says: "Great! That killed about 45 seconds..."
The song also figured prominently into a Seinfeld episode, the epitome of
American pop iconship.
Jerry
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:20:15 EST
From: Denisongs@aol.com
Subject: Thanks and goodbye from Denise
Hello all,
Thank you for your companionship and for chatting with me about my favorite
songwriter. I have enjoyed my time here. This list also enabled me to have
beautiful signed lithos on my wall and tour shirts on my back. Thanks!
I am in the process of changing my life. My business is up for sale
(Gymboree), my music is reaching a widening audience and I am trying to
redirect my focus there. I am crazy busy, stressed, struggling, and trying to
stay balanced. I need to reclaim the time and energy that this list has been
taking.
I will miss you, and hope that people I have connected with will email me
privately now and then. Please let me know if anything major develops with
Joni. I will check the website from time to time for news on Wally.
My best to you............Denise : )
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 10:37:30 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni the Deconstructionist
Deb wrote:
> Does anyone know this article? It appeared in the Village Voice, and the
author was Perry Somebody. (Meisel? Weisel??)
Weasel?
Sorry, couldn't pass on that! : )
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:27:29 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Joni all day Sunday!
Happy weekend to all my JMDL pals!
It was a great week - getting to relay my Joni concert stories to folks I work
with that now my love for Joni. It was also a little bit of synchonicity that
I played through all of Joni's catalogue this week.
You see, at home and in the car I toss in assortments of artists, but at work
I play my CD's in alphabetical order by artist (not because I'm
anal/obsessive/compulsive) but because it makes it easy to trade 'em out each
evening. Well, it just so happened that Monday started with Midnight Oil,
Steve Miller, and then on to Joni! As I always display the jewel box for
whatever I'm playing, a couple of folks on their way to the coffee pot
eventually popped their heads in and asked "Just how much Joni Mitchell do you
have," "I didn't know she was still recording," etc. It gave me a chance to
spread the word about TTT and other recordings. Amazing how many music fans
stop at "Court & Spark"! Victims of Radio, I guess...
Plus, I got TT #5/6 yesterday from the hippest guy in Deptford, NJ...so I'm
enjoying new recordings of live + interviews + miscellaneous stuff.
Life is good...
Bob M. in SC, where it's raining too much to rake leaves (it's breakin' my
heart) ;~D
NP: Days of The New
One last funny: while doing a spell check (to avoid Paul's wrath ;-D) the
dictionary didn't have "hippest" but wanted to replace it with "whippets" I'm
LOL!!!
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:44:39 -0500 (EST)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Marsha, Marsha, Marsha
I really appreciate your...um...devotion to Joni.
Your posts are often delightful and insightful to those of us less
familiar with Joni. I have still yet to see her despite having now seen
approaching 300 concerts since my first in 1977.
This last tour, all possible shows fell on work nights for me and I
would have forfeited a rather nice attendance bonus as well as my
regular pay had I taken off work, even for Joni, alas.
An injury kept me from Bethel, and jetting to the west coast is not
within my range of possibility.
My 1993 show was cancelled in the 11th hour and I'd not really yet
"discovered" Joni in "83 & '79.
To top things off, as I sat with friends to watch the PPV, we lost the
signal midway through BYT and never got it back, so I've not even seen
that! (any help appreciated)
So, as you can see, it has not exactly been a banner Joni year for me.
Let me also say that I regard her among my top ten favorite musical
artists and she is the only one among them I've yet to see.
Now I love reading the show reviews and Joni meet & greets, and I do not
wish to be percieved as "sour grapes", but I must take exception with
something you've written, and others have alluded to lately:
>...and it most likely did curb the milling about
>and Dylan Deadhead rude behaviors.
I have seen the Dead 90 times and Dylan 12 times. They both share spots
in my Top Ten with Joni and I 'm proud to call myself a Deadhead. For
you (and some others) to simply label all rude behaviors observed as
"Deadhead" is very RUDE and very WRONG. In fact it is downright
PREJUDICE.
I'm not defending rude behavior. I'm defending Deadheads (or any group
of people) from stereotyped labels applied to them as a whole by
unthinking, close-minded people. Think about how you feel when people
put you down for liking Joni.
Please think before you type and offend a very large segment of society
(many of which share this forum) in the future.
gdave
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DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:54:00 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: NJC - Raitt and Yearwood duet last night
Declining my younger companions offer to join them in a
club with thumping music I got home in time to witness Bonnie
Raitt and Trisha Yearwood perform a stunning version of
Charlie Rich's song Fell Like Goin Home on the Later With
Jools Holland show. I'm not a fan of either of these ladies
but this was an amazing performance. Jools Holland played
piano in Charlie Rich's trademark robust style. At the end the
normally unflappable Jools seemed quite moved as he brushed a
tear from his eye.
Sorry for taking up space with this NJC, but I'm telling everyone
I meet today about this.
Philip
NP The Roches - Speak
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:05:27 -0800
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: You know you're a Joni addict when...
This is a little late as it happened last Sunday but...
You know you're a Joni addict when a new friend from ceramics class who
came to your PPV concert party on Friday calls you early Sunday morning
to tell you that she was watching E! and they just said that a spot on
Joni was coming on soon. I was able to get the station and the recorder
going. It was a short promo spot on the PPV special. It started with
the announcer saying "You know Joni Mitchell, don't you?" Aaargh! My
friend called me back after it was over, apologized for it being such a
short spot (like it was her fault!). I thanked her profusely for
thinking of me. Then she said that she had really gained a new
appreciation of Joni that night and would have to get some CD's!!
- --
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:39:20 EST
From: TheHotelNH@aol.com
Subject: Video tapes
Hi everyone,
I know there aren't any tape trees going on, but I was wondering if anyone
would be willing to do a 2:1 video tape trade. I'd send two blanks for each
video. I saw two video tapes listed on the tape tree page, and would really
like to see either one of them. If anyone has these (or other rare videos)
and would be willing to do a 2:1, please e-mail me privately.
Thanks so much,
Chris
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:30:22 EST
From: Seanapper@aol.com
Subject: Re: Petula's birthday (NJC)
Bill D. wrote:
"happy birthday to petula clark (i think it's
today), always enjoyed her. one of my most vivid
memories of my childhood was my first trip to the
big city of rochester new york with my mom,
hearing the song "downtown" while feeling so small
in the back seat."
Isn't that a great song? It's one of the handful of songs that I
remember clearly from my early childhood, too. Others are (and I might have
the titles wrong) "My Beautiful Balloon," "Those Were the Days My Friend,"
and, of course, the "Winston cigarettes jingle." Remembering them takes me
back to when I was about four years old!
Neil in Seattle
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:58:20 -0600
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Joni - To see or not to see
I totally agree; some folks got carried away with this one. Jealousy
and envy are sibling emotions, and not nice ones. BUT... it is one
thing to say, "you have/experienced something I covet; I hate you."
(that's the green monster!) It's an entirely different thing to say,
"I'm so happy for what you have/experienced; I would love to have that
too." That's NOT the monster, but we still call it "envy." While I
certainly agree in principle that it would be best if we could all just
be happy with what we have in life and not wish for anything, I'm not
sure I've ever met such a person. And if I ever did meet this person
who never longed for anything, I doubt if they would be a Joni Mitchell
fan.
P.S. I'm definitely going to join in on the "ALL DAY JONI SUNDAY!!!"
Alan
> From: MHart16164@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Joni - To see or not to see
> I think I might have missed something. While I think it is a natural
response
> to feel a bit on envy but did anyone on this list REALLY feel consumed
by the
> green monster to the point of resentment??? I hope not.
> I think we went overboard on this one.
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:18:40 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: NJC-Dave lives the Karma thing
- -----Original Message-----
From: gr8fuldave
To: docnurse@voy.net
Cc: joni@smoe.org
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 11:44 AM
Subject: Marsha, Marsha, Marsha
Deahead/Dylan frequenter Dave writes:
>>To top things off, as I sat with friends to watch the PPV, we lost the
signal midway through BYT and never got it back, so I've not even seen
that! (any help appreciated)
So, as you can see, it has not exactly been a banner Joni year for me.
Let me also say that I regard her among my top ten favorite musical
artists and she is the only one among them I've yet to see.
Now I love reading the show reviews and Joni meet & greets, and I do not
wish to be percieved as "sour grapes", but I must take exception with
something you've written, and others have alluded to lately:>>
All I can say to you, buddy, is....Karma.
Marsha,
about to write a hurt feelings post to Bob M for
having the *nerve* to call me a "Den Mother", which the
majority of den mothers in Joni's world would find offensive... ;-D
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:31:15 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: NJC To see or not to see
Regarding this ENVY THING, all I can say is ... everybody go get your
Melanie Klein complete works set and I mean NOW!!!
WallyK, who shall usually covet thy neighbor's man
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:14:29 EST
From: KCooper984@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ottawa Report
Hi Brett and Joni friends,
I'm behind on my Joni mail......but I had to write you that I loved your
report on the concert as well as your thoughts and feelings about her. It's
funny. I don't write often to the list because sometimes I just don't feel
like I can articulate it enough like you did in your report.
You wrote:
" On the plane, I thought about Amelia and Hejira, both album and song. How
does she know how I feel? How I've loved travelling with her, on each of the
1001 times I've flown with the Black Crow, travelled in that vehicle, and
soared through the hexagram of the heavens.? Thankful was I that no one was
sitting beside me on the plane, for how difficult it would have been to
explain that I was crying, not for lost love or the passing of loved ones or
some other reason that one might consider normal, but because I was once again
being moved by Joni's music - even though it was only playing in my head. "
I have felt these same feelings many times over!!!!! It's hard to explain to
non- Joni people. I went to the Rochester, New York concert and I was just so
happy to finally see Joni again after 15 years. It's the music, it's her
words, it's the emotions and the abstractions, it's her paintings...........
You know how I feel. It's great to hear of others who understand .
I absolutely loved your review of the concert. I felt like I was there. I keep
listening to my tape tree #7 reminicising my concert. I am in Joni heaven
lately too. For so long there was no news about her and now............. new
cd, magazines, concerts, PPV, books.........WOW!....Am I dreaming? Joni Mania!
Love it! I kept wondering if I could meet her somehow too when she was in
town....Dream on! I called some guy I knew to see if he could get me back
stage passes.....but NO! Then he told me to drive by all the major hotels and
see if I see the touring bus.
After going to my concert Joni said that she had a bad case of a flu or cold
so I figured she probably wouldn't be out partying at the hotel, so I went
home. I bet she went right to bed.... But what would I have said? It would
have seemed so lame.....It never would have been the right words. Still, wish
I could have met her. She's so touched my heart and my life.
My Best to YOU!
Thanks for the great review!
Sue Cooper
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:52:24 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu"
Subject: NJC: Joni's Tears Of Joy
I posted an open letter to Kilauren welcoming her into our little
internet community. Sherelle posted a reply that was very beautiful
saying that Kilauren was now in a place of beauty and creativity, a
place that we (Joni's fans) have been priveledged to share for 20
years. Joni's friend printed them. When Joni read 'em she cried and
said that she was sending the posts to her Mom to add to her
scrapbook!!! JMDL rocks.
Kakki wrote:
> I remember that, shortly after Joni reunited with Kilauren, that a friend of
> Joni's who was on the list printed out some particularly beautiful posts
> discussing that and other topics and showed them to Joni. It was reported
> that Joni was very touched and got teary reading them.
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All the best,
Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! **
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