From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #477 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, November 14 1998 Volume 03 : Number 477 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni online [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni online ["Kakki" ] Singing my life with her words [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC) [Jerry N] Joni writing a serious novel [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni - To see or not to see [MHart16164@aol.com] joni art available? ["Mark T. Klempner" ] NJC (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Dylan Should Open For Joni! [Gellerray@aol.com] RE: NJC (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Dusty Springfield (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: Joni - To see or not to see ["Kay Ashley" ] Photo adventures in Joniland ["Marsha" ] Re: Photo adventures in Joniland [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] RE: Joni - To see or not to see -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] petula's birthday (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: petula's birthday (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: petula's birthday (NJC) ["philip" ] Re: petula's birthday (NJC) ["Kakki" ] bootlegging [Bounced Message ] Joni the Deconstructionist ["Don Rowe" ] Re: petula's birthday (NJC) [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Joni the Deconstructionist ["Deb Messling" ] Re: petula's birthday (NJC) [catman ] Re: joni art available? ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: petula's birthday (NJC) [jan gyn ] Re: Joni the Deconstructionist ["Kakki" ] Today in Joni History - November 14 [Today in Joni History ] Downtown [NJC) ["wallykai" ] Re: Singing my life with her REAL words [IVPAUL42@aol.com] petula and deconstructionism (NJC) ["wallykai" Subject: Re: Joni online Phyliss Ward wrote: > Actually, she did. According to Les' report on his meeting her for lunch, she > said she read some of a thread comparing her to Laura Nyro. Something about > which one is more chinese??? That's a tough one Phyl! I'd have to say if Joni was wearing red the day the year turned tiger she's definitely more chinese, ya know? ;~) My memory recalls the question and forgets the answer...so what's new? "...The moon shed light On my hopeless plight..." Did her HRH Tigerness grace us with an opinion on these "...fireworks in the sky?.." ;~) > After 2 years I'll probably have to uns.ubscribe after wasting much too > much of my valuable time here! > ; - ) Well, if you don't mind me saying: when you unsub don't go looking for any overgrown time-eating plum trees You'll be re-subbing pronto just to rest your pruning hand and avoid next years canning ;~D Meggissimo Hugs, Susan L.A. aka Honey McBabe "...Up and down the dial...Mercenary style!.."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:09:40 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni online Phyliss wrote: >Actually, she did. According to Les' report on his meeting her for lunch, >she said she read some of a thread comparing her to Laura Nyro. I remember that, shortly after Joni reunited with Kilauren, that a friend of Joni's who was on the list printed out some particularly beautiful posts discussing that and other topics and showed them to Joni. It was reported that Joni was very touched and got teary reading them. I don't think Joni logs on to read us, but I've heard too many things in the wind over time that give me a very strong feeling that she knows us a little more than we might think. Kakki NP: still gorgeous George ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:59:04 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Singing my life with her words "...Now the warriors of winter they gave a cold triumphant shout And all that stays is dying and all that lives is camping out See the geese in chevron flight flapping And racing on before the snow They got the urge for going And they got the wings to go They got the urge for going When the meadow grass is turning brown Summertime is falling down and winter is closing in Apply the fire with kindling now I'll pull the blankets up to my chin I'll lock the vagrant winter out and I'll fold my wandering in I'd like to call back summertime Have her stay for another month or so But she's got the urge for going So I'll have to let her go..." SIQUOMB. Let no one tell you different. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:09:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC) philip wrote: > >From: Gerald Notaro (LIB) > > >And her box set is the real thing. Excellent. > > thanks for the info. I'm going to ask Santa to bring me one > of those. The accompanying book alone is worth the price if you like Dusty. I read someone mention Dusty In Memphis, which is now acknowledged as a groundbreaking classic. Also, the Very Best of Dusty Springfield cd just came out and has some great cuts on it. Taylor Dane (whom I'm going to get to see in a few weeks) just recorded You Don't Have to Say You Love Me. A natural for her. Can't wait until the drag queens get a hold of THAT one! np: Shawn Colvin live It's coming to DC Sean Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:33:13 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni writing a serious novel Diane, This is really a good idea......Joni's novel or short story would only be released on audio...so she would have to read her own story....interjecting some singing now and then! I'm seriously thinking of becoming a contributing editor to Cat Fancy magazine and interviewing Joni and her cats. They did publish a poem of mine when I was in high school...even paying me a few dollars. haha! What do you think??? :-D Laura "I wonder if Joni has every considered serious writing.. like a novel or short story? But then we wouldn't get her great vocal characters. " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:34:42 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - To see or not to see I think I might have missed something. While I think it is a natural response to feel a bit on envy but did anyone on this list REALLY feel consumed by the green monster to the point of resentment??? I hope not. I may have felt envious but only because I was really happy for those who got to meet HER and talk to HER. The stories about the meetings teemed with joy and excitement--I'd like to know how anyone could get ticked off about that? I think we went overboard on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:53:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark T. Klempner" Subject: joni art available? I really like the art on the liner booklet that comes with TTT, but it's too tiny. Are there full size prints available of these pieces? I would love to put one on my wall. Roll over Kandinsky!--Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:05:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: NJC (NJC) With a lot of new faces...er, sigs....appearing on the jmdl, may I make one of my periodic requests that 1) you add "NJC" to the subject line of any post containing No Joni Content, and 2) you NOT copy the entire text of the message you are replying to back to the list. Please edit! (Thanks to Deb for her frequent NJC remeinders!) So, I'm a curmudgeon, so sue me! No wait, with Winfried and the other lawyers on the list, I'll retract that. :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:07:07 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan Should Open For Joni! SO TRUE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:17:52 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: NJC (NJC) Steve said: <<>> I second these and add PLEASE think twice (or thrice!) about whether your replies are best presented to the JMDL as a whole or as a private message to the original sender. Thanks! - --Michael NP: Pet Shop Boys, _Bilingual_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:27:43 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Dusty Springfield (NJC) A little more info on Dusty for those who've asked... For the past few years Dusty has been battling breast cancer. The cancer unfortunately has spread to her bones. The latest info I could find is that she is doing better lately, thank goodness. She did have a tumor removed a few years ago and has been going through chemotherapy treatments in the last few months. Also, for those of you interested in buying _Dusty in Memphis_, you may want to wait until the end of January. Rhino is releasing a deluxe edition then with an entire unreleased album and various other goodies. I believe the release date in 1/19/99. The new box set is excellent and spans her work with the folk-pop group The Springfields in the late '50s to her guest spot with the Pet Shop Boys on "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" in the late '80s. - --Michael NP: _Dusty in Memphis_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:12:58 -0500 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: RE: Joni - To see or not to see Hello, RMuRocks@aol.com (Bob M. in SC) wrote: <> I don't think anyone perceived any of the stories of Joni meetings as flauntings. I for one was never offended or otherwise put off by the stories. Hurrah for all of you who did meet her! I am truly happy for those who wanted to meet her and were able to make it happen. I appreciate you saying the "I don't understand ... why a true fan wouldn't want the chance to..." In my post of a few days ago, I was simply expressing my personal reasons for not pursuing a meeting with Joni. And I can accept that you or anyone else may not be able to understand that. So, in light of the judgmental, sarcastic nastiness that came my way after my post -- being accused of "denial" and "rationalization" and having words I didn't write being put into my mouth -- your simple, honest statement of "I don't understand" is very welcome, completely understood, and appreciated. As I said a few days ago, everyone here has his/her own personal relationship with Joni's music, and I don't believe that wanting to meet her is a pre-requisite for being a "true fan." I think that I've given her plenty of thanks by the many hundreds of dollars I've spent on her over the years, what with LPs, replacing the LPs with CDs, videos, sheet music books, the lyric book, giving her CDs as gifts, thereby creating new Joni consumers, and the very steep ticket prices of this year. Plus I'm sure I'll buy the PPV special when it comes out on video... So, I have no problem with the fact that people want to meet and have met Joni. I have no problem with people telling us all about it -- I enjoy the stories. What I do have a problem with is people who know jack shit about me publicly making judgments of my character and psychological make-up just because I stated a personal conviction that apparently does not conform to those of most people on this list -- and then justifying that offensive bullshit in the name of this being a free, unmoderated list, where people are free to "fart" where they will and find "amusement" where they will. Apparently, it is also a list where people are free to make baseless value judgements where they will. So, Bob, don't feel for even a moment that your posts about meeting Joni were anything less than welcome. I got a huge kick out of your chutzpah -- actually asking the lady to dance! What a hoot! Kay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:05:50 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Photo adventures in Joniland Hey, Les and all, There are some terrific pictures we made of the members who gathered for meet and greets this round of Joni's touring in various cities. The Chicago ones are good, as well as the Atlanta ones I took. What about the rest of you all in Detroit (with Joni) and the rest? Can we have another page dedicated to this, and of course, the ultimate in ZERO DEGREES of SEPARATION: our mugs with Siquomb?!!! Cyber-evolutionarily yours, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:12:47 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Photo adventures in Joniland I shot a really cute 60 second mpeg movie at the preshow gathering in Maryland. It is 1.3MB, so I don't know if Les would be interested. I could put it on my server, and Les could link to it so everyone can see it. What do you think? Sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:13:07 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: RE: Joni - To see or not to see -Reply Kay wrote: >>So, in light of the judgmental, sarcastic nastiness that came my way after mypost -- being accused of "denial" and "rationalization" and having words I didn't write being put into my mouth -- your simple, honest statement of "I don't understand" is very welcome, completely understood, and appreciated. Kay, I loved this last sentence. The "I don't understand" is what should happen. DIfferent points of view being discussed is what an unmoderated list is all about. To disagree honestly and share one's thoughts without accusations and flames is what makes an exchange special. >>As I said a few days ago, everyone here has his/her own personal relationship with Joni's music, and I don't believe that wanting to meet her is a pre-requisite for being a "true fan." I think that I've given her plenty of thanks by the many hundreds of dollars I've spent on her over the years----snip, snip, snip--- So very true. Some relationships just look at the art, others want to know every tiny nugget about the creator. Some see their purchase of the art thanks enough, others feel compelled to bring flowers to concerts or send gifts or look for a way to say more thanks. Nothing wrong with either side. I wonder if some of the harping and biting in this thread comes from confusing the desire of a fan to meet up with Joni with celebrity big game hunting. Meeting a "star" just because they are famous and getting an autograph or photo op. It doesn't sound like that has happened w/ these encounters. Just true and sincere fans who were extremely respectful of their lucky meetings. >>SNIP...SNIP...bullshit in the name of this being a free, unmoderated list, where people are free to "fart" where they will and find "amusement" where they will. Apparently, it is also a list where people are free to make baseless value judgements where they will. But...this is what makes an unmoderated list. Respectful debates and exchanges mix right in with the farts and the amusement. Perhaps we all grow a little from reading all of these exchanges. >>So, Bob, don't feel for even a moment that your posts about meeting Joni were anything less than welcome. Ditto! I loved reading about all of the meetings! They were fabulous tales and they opened up what was for me, an interesting thread about why people would want to meet or not. Thanks to all! MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:19:30 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Photo adventures in Joniland - -----Original Message----- From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Photo adventures in Joniland > >I shot a really cute 60 second mpeg movie at the preshow gathering in >Maryland. It is 1.3MB, so I don't know if Les would be interested. I could >put it on my server, and Les could link to it so everyone can see it. What >do you think? Great, Sherrie!!!!!! Truly cyber-revolutionary for our lil' list here! Good going. Bring on the movies, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:09:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: petula's birthday (NJC) happy birthday to petula clark (i think it's today), always enjoyed her. one of my most vivid memories of my childhood was my first trip to the big city of rochester new york with my mom, hearing the song "downtown" while feeling so small in the back seat. didn't petula catch some flack for singing a love song with harry belafonte? bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:37:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) Bill Dollinger wrote: > happy birthday to petula clark (i think it's > today), always enjoyed her. one of my most vivid > memories of my childhood was my first trip to the > big city of rochester new york with my mom, > hearing the song "downtown" while feeling so small > in the back seat. didn't petula catch some flack > for singing a love song with harry belafonte? This list never ceases to amaze me, especially how we like the same icons that are so different from Joni. I just got Petula's new cd this week. It is wonderful. Also have tickets to see her May 5th of next year in Sunset Blvd. Saw her 32 years ago in Toronto. I still have the signed program. She was so wonderful to her teen aged fans. Saw her in Blood Brothers 2 years ago with David and Shawn Cassidy. She was great. Jerry np: alana davis - blame it on me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:44:58 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro >This list never ceases to amaze me, especially how we like the same >icons that are so different from Joni. While not quite as iconic for me as Dusty, Don't Sleep in the Subway and Downtown bring back childhood memories of hearing these tunes on a crackly transistor radio tuned to a distant pirate station. Philip NP Dusty - Goin Back ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:57:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) Philip wrote and others sentimentalized: >While not quite as iconic for me as Dusty, Don't Sleep in the Subway >and Downtown bring back childhood memories of hearing these tunes >on a crackly transistor radio tuned to a distant pirate station. Me, too, me, too, holding the transistor up to my ear, riding a skateboard, wanting to sing them out loud, but trying not to be a complete gangly geek! Dusty, Petula and the Beatles - very memorable to me. Thanks Michael for the tip about buying the Dusty in January. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:10:47 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: bootlegging From: "Gene Mock" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:29:29 -0800 Let me rephrase my request, does anybody out there have a copy of JM's PPV concerts that I can borrow? Heaven forbid that I should allow such a criminal act to happen. After all those blood-sucking capitalists have drained most musicians dry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:21:27 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Joni the Deconstructionist I sent a little light ditty off in response to Bernadette's assertion that Derrida was riding again ... but you know, if you think about 'Sex Kills' -- Joni is applying Deconstruction in its purest form. "Is justice -- just ice?". Many of those new wave French literary critic types would say, "By jove, I think she's got it!" Man, it ALMOST makes we want to go back to college and write a thesis -- think I'll lie down until the feeling goes away. ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:57:02 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) I've always loved the song Downtown. Does it remind anyone of "Night in the City." M- NP: Lucinda Williams--Like a Rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:58:52 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Joni the Deconstructionist Don wrote: > but you know, if you think about 'Sex > Kills' -- Joni is applying Deconstruction in its purest form. I admit to finding this whole deconstruction thing unfathomable, and applying the theory to literature kills any joy I could take in a novel or poem. A long time ago, I sent Les a piece called "How Joni Mitchell Fails" by some deconstructionist (or at least postmodernist) critic, an Eng. Lit guy from NYU. It trashed Hejira, of all albums. Fair enough, but the guy was so in love with his own analysis that he was blind to Joni's art, as far as I'm concerned. Seems to be an occupational hazard with the literary deconstructionists. They scathe the wonder world and praise barbarities. I'm guessing that Les was unable to scan the piece for the web page, because my photocopy was piss-poor. Does anyone know this article? It appeared in the Village Voice, and the author was Perry Somebody. (Meisel? Weisel??) I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. -- Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:06:40 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) Not until you mentioned it! But yes it does I suppose. MHart16164@aol.com wrote: > I've always loved the song Downtown. Does it remind anyone of "Night in the > City." > > M- > NP: Lucinda Williams--Like a Rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:12:13 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: joni art available? - ---------- > From: Mark T. Klempner > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: joni art available? > Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 10:53 AM > > I really like the art on the liner booklet that comes with TTT, but it's > too tiny. Are there full size prints available of these pieces? I would > love to put one on my wall. Roll over Kandinsky!--Mark > Hey! Kandinsky is my favorite artist! Be nice! I don't know if you can get the prints outside of the concert arena. I asked if I could order shirts some time in the future and the vendors said no only during concerts. I suggest you go to your local copy place that has a color lazer copier. They could enlarge the CD cover up to 11"X17" for about $4.00. Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:18:43 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) I've liked it also. It has a 'happysad' quality that hits that soft spot that never seems to mature. Wow, I haven't heard that song in a long time, and now it's in my head... - -jan >I've always loved the song Downtown. Does it remind anyone of "Night in the >City." > >M- >NP: Lucinda Williams--Like a Rose > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:08:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni the Deconstructionist Deb wrote: >It trashed Hejira, of all albums. Perhaps he thought it would be a bigger kill to take down ("deconstruct") her best. >Fair enough, but the guy was so in love with his own analysis that he was >blind to Joni's art, as far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately this is all too true of many critics. > Seems to be an occupational hazard with the literary deconstructionists. >They scathe the wonder world and praise barbarities. Very eloquently said! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:04:00 +0000 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 14 Today's entries are both from Wally's bio page: 1993: Joni receives a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Saskatchewan Recording Industry Association. The presentation was held at the Willows Golf Resort in Saskatoon and attended by her parents and former teachers. Joni said "Awards don't mean that much to me. That people like the music is the best award." After the presentation Joni gave an hour long interview and performed a new song called 'The Magdalene Laundries" that she said she planned to record with Sinead O'Connor on background vocals. 1994: Today, Joni was in London, England for a solo showcase for the media at a townhouse off Gloucester Road in South Kensington. Before the event, Joni was interviewed and performed "Sunny Sunday" and "Sex Kills" on the BBC series "The Late Show." At around a quarter to 7 in the evening Joni went on stage and performed for more than an hour in front of 200 media and record company people from all over Europe. She said to the audience "I don't know how to address you; you're not all Brits..Spain? Italy? France? Do we have France? And I hear there's someone here from Greece." Her set included "Refuge of the Roads," "Night Ride Home," her newest pair of tunes "Loves' Cries" and "Happiness is the Best Facelift," as well as a few selections from the album she was there to promote, "Sex Kills," "Magdelaine Laundries," Sunny Sunday," and "Yvette in English." She referred to Crosby before she sang "Yvette" and the fact that he was in a California hospital waiting for a liver transplant. (He'd actually had the transplant operation a few hours before her show started). An amazing footnote is that Joni didn't smoke a single cigarette for the duration of her show! Further info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LondonShowcase94.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:52:05 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: Downtown [NJC) It reminds me of that Murphy Brown Xmas episode, the one she and her co-workers are locked out in a terrace outside their office, and Corky starts singing Downtown. Everybody joins in. When they're through, Murphy says: "Great! That killed about 45 seconds..." I still listen to Downtown very often. I like the Bossa Nova/ Before the night is over rhyme!!! WallyK I-----Original Message----- De: jan gyn Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: viernes 13 de noviembre de 1998 16:20 Asunto: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) >I've liked it also. It has a 'happysad' quality that hits that soft spot >that never seems to mature. Wow, I haven't heard that song in a long time, >and now it's in my head... >-jan > >>I've always loved the song Downtown. Does it remind anyone of "Night in the >>City." >> >>M- >>NP: Lucinda Williams--Like a Rose >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:20:22 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Singing my life with her REAL words In a message dated 11/13/98 5:02:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: << "...Now the warriors of winter they gave a cold triumphant shout And all that stays is dying and all that lives is camping out (ALL THAT LIVES IS GETTING OUT) See the geese in chevron flight flapping And racing on before the snow They got the urge for going And they got the wings to go They got the urge for going When the meadow grass is turning brown Summertime is falling down and winter is closing in Apply the fire with kindling now (I'LL PLY THE FIRE WITH KINDLING NOW) I'll pull the blankets up to my chin I'll lock the vagrant winter out and I'll fold my wandering in (I'LL BOLT MY WANDERING IN) I'd like to call back summertime Have her stay for another month or so But she's got the urge for going So I'll have to let her go..." >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:26:17 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: petula and deconstructionism (NJC) You won't believe this but I've got right here in front of my very eyes a 10-page essay written by Canadian pianist Glenn Gould in 1967 ... DECONSTRUCTING Downtown!!!!! ["The search for Petula Clark"] Talk about synchronicity! WallyK, amazed at the stuff one would read in one's younger years ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:06:18 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Photo adventures in Joniland In a message dated 11/13/98 1:15:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, sherrie.good@chronicle.com writes: << I shot a really cute 60 second mpeg movie at the preshow gathering in Maryland. It is 1.3MB, so I don't know if Les would be interested. I could put it on my server, and Les could link to it so everyone can see it. What do you think? >> I'd love to see it! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:28:26 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: The Chicken Pychobabble Circle Game (NJC) - ---------- > From: Bernadette Gallagher > To: Joni > Subject: The Chicken Pychobabble Circle Game (NJC) > Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 5:20 AM > > This is from the Neil Young list. My apologies to > those who've seen it. I thought it went well with > the threnody of cranial touches around here! > > For all you philosophers out there..... > > Q: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? > A: SEE BELOW > Most importantly: To prove to the possum that it could be done! Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 05:54:21 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: petula and deconstructionism (NJC) >You won't believe this but I've got right here in front of my very eyes a >10-page essay written by Canadian pianist Glenn Gould in 1967 ... >DECONSTRUCTING Downtown!!!!! ["The search for Petula Clark"] I love this essay. I don't feel Gould is "deconstructing" Petula's songs. They rather become culturale assets through his consideration. - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:38:54 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The Chicken Pychobabble Circle Game (NJC) In a message dated 11/13/98 11:33:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << > Q: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? > A: SEE BELOW > Most importantly: To prove to the possum that it could be done! And lest we not forget the armadillo, which is a tank with a possum driving! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: An apology (personal Joni content) I am apologixing for bringing deconstructionism to this list. I hereby promise to be more proactive. In the future. Really. Joni is the best, and that's why I'm here, not to "fart" about some French fool. Joni ALL day on Sunday! Who's with me? 1968 - 1998. I challenge you all!!!!! (Uh-oh, I think I just slipped over the edge again, so musch for my Act of Contrition) B- I was running like a white-ass deer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Fw: Joni the Deconstructionist RE: "How Joni Mitchell Fails" I think deconstuctionism is a load of hooey and I think J. probably does too. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Urge...words (Nitpicky JC) & ALL DAY JONI SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I vote WITH for 'getting out', but disagree with "I'll ply": I think it's "apply". She's pulling the blankets up, talking to someone else. Command form (grammar - -soon I'll be apologizing for that, too!) I am also with JMRC on "fold my wandering in" It's not that she doen't want her wanderlust to pull her away, it's that she "never seems to go" Again with the geese motiff, also. That's my vote. JONI ALL SUNDAT! THIRTY YEARS' WORTH!! WHO'S WITH ME??? C'MON! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:16:58 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Urge...words (Nitpicky JC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_911027818_boundary Content-ID: <0_911027818@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_911027818_boundary Content-ID: <0_911027818@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Return-path: To: bern.gallagher@mci2000.com, joni@smoe.com Subject: Re: Urge...words (Nitpicky JC) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:14:27 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/98 2:06:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, bern.gallagher@mci2000.com writes: << I vote WITH for 'getting out', but disagree with "I'll ply": I think it's "apply". She's pulling the blankets up, talking to someone else. Command form (grammar -soon I'll be apologizing for that, too!) I am also with JMRC on "fold my wandering in" It's not that she doesn't want her wanderlust to pull her away, it's that she "never seems to go" Again with the geese motif, also. That's my vote. >> Listen to the Tom Rush version and you'll hear the lyrics so clearly there will be no question in your mind. Joni is a wordsmith and would use an uncommon verb like "ply." She's NOT talking to someone else. And "bolt" my wandering in goes perfectly with "lock" the vagrant winter out. How does "Fold" fit with that? It doesn't. Sorry, Bern, but I've heard Joni perform this song live and listened to both her recording and Tom Rush's hundreds of times each. The lyric sheet on "Hits" is simply wrong, as are many of the lyrics published even in her recent book. Paul I - --part0_911027818_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:39:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Rebut on Urge.. & ALL DAY JONI SUNDAY!!! If you say so, but I still think I'm right: Rush may have changed some words, Pete Seeger did. PS However, you're adamance about your credentials was impressive. Are you with me on ALL JONI SUNDAY??? PPS Are you really saying her BOOK is wrong while YOU are right? That's bold! I like it. B.- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire PPPS I wrote "gotta" at first, but then, trembling, I changed it! - ---------- > Sorry, Bern, but I've heard Joni perform this song live and listened to both > her recording and Tom Rush's hundreds of times each. The lyric sheet on "Hits" > is simply wrong, as are many of the lyrics published even in her recent book. > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:41:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Fw: The Chicken Pychobabble Circle Game (NJC) The possum always wins. Unless there's a polecat involved - ---------- > > Q: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? > > A: SEE BELOW > > > > Most importantly: To prove to the possum that it could be done! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:31:16 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Rebut on Urge.. & ALL DAY JONI SUNDAY!!! In a message dated 11/14/98 2:26:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, bern.gallagher@mci2000.com writes: << PPS Are you really saying her BOOK is wrong while YOU are right? That's bold! I like it. >> Yes, I am, but it was established by other list members when the book first came out that it is fraught with erroneous lyrics. Unfortunately, it seems they published a book of her lyrics and never bothered to check with Joni to see that they were correct. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:37:35 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC) Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Bill Dollinger wrote: > > > happy birthday to petula clark (i think it's > > today), always enjoyed her. one of my most vivid > > memories of my childhood was my first trip to the > > big city of rochester new york with my mom, > > hearing the song "downtown" while feeling so small > > in the back seat. didn't petula catch some flack > > for singing a love song with harry belafonte? > > This list never ceases to amaze me, especially how we like the same > icons that are so different from Joni. I just got Petula's new cd this > week. It is wonderful. I remember my older sister bought the single 'Downtown' but I think I played it more than she did. Had to memorize every word & every note. I think the Harry Belafonte uproar was that Petula actually put her arm around his waist while they were singing together. On American TV! In the early 60's! Horror! Gasp! Seems ridulous now but it didn't to a lot of people at the time. Thank the powers that be that such extreme narrow-mindedness is at least not perceived as acceptable anymore. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #477 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?