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JMDL Digest Thursday, November 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 475
The Joni Tour Pages:
http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html
http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: Borderline [Bernadette Gallagher ]
Re: Joni LPs ["Juerg Loeffler" ]
Re: Summer/Winter albums [Dreamzvill@aol.com]
I told Joni about the underground ["philip" ]
Re: I told Joni about the underground ["Juerg Loeffler" ]
Is anybody out there? (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ]
Gershwin and Joni [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: Clarifying Sour Grapes/Meeting Joni [MHart16164@aol.com]
Re: Request for Joni stories [MHart16164@aol.com]
Re: Gershwin and Joni [Drewdix@aol.com]
Re: Breaking the silence... [Bill Dollinger ]
Re: Jaques Derrida Rides Again!! [JRMCo1@aol.com]
Will work for copy of PPV ... ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Jaques Derrida Rides Again!! ["Don Rowe" ]
hipy papy Julie (NJC) [Thomas Ross ]
Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC) [Michael Yar]
Even more Joni Musings ["Marsha" ]
Re: Joni online [Phyliss Ward ]
The parthenon of my subconscious (NJC) [Steve Dulson ]
Re: Jaques Derrida Rides Again!! [jan gyn ]
Jaco Pastorius in the news ["philip" ]
Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC) ["philip]
Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC) ["Gerald]
musician mag [Bill Dollinger ]
Just to let you know.... (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com]
Joni audio/video trades. ["Smith, Bill (R&D)" ]
RE: Request for Joni stories ["wallykai" ]
Joni in DC: the report (long) [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
watching PPV (short) [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
Today in Joni History - November 13 [Today in Joni History ]
Re: HELLO TO ALL--FIRST TIME HERE [Diana Duncan ]
Hello and welcome/Video trees ["wallykai" ]
RE: The parthenon of my subconscious (NJC) ["wallykai" ]
Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC) ["philip]
Kate and Anna McGarrigle on NPR (NJC) [Brian Gross ]
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 03:07:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Bernadette Gallagher
Subject: Re: Borderline
OK. I did trust meself too much.
Thanks for the correction. Of course
the liner nates have been wrong in the past.
-Bernadette
Who thinks Sire Of Sorrow is Mozart's Requiem.
My loves are dead or dying
Just double checked and these are the lyrics:
Everybody looks so ill at ease
So distrustful so displeased
-Kenny
> who thinks Borderline is an incredible piece -- one of Joni's most insightful
> social observations, with some killer lines that I deploy frequently!
>
> On 11/12/98, Bernadette Gallagher wrote:
>
>
> Everybody looks so ill at ease
> So distressed and so displeased
>
> B.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:07:08 +0100
From: "Juerg Loeffler"
Subject: Re: Joni LPs
Hi Susan,
>We have a bunch of extra Joni on vinyl....I believe two copies of Court &
>Spark; one is a digital master recording.
Looks like this audiophile LP version is still available. I ordered it a
couple
of days ago at CDnow and got the message that it was shipped.
This morning I got NRH on vinyl! The guy with the LP shop really came up
with a copy of it, so my Joni LP collection is complete now.
Thanks for your offer!
- - Juerg -
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 03:17:57 EST
From: Dreamzvill@aol.com
Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums
JonEric-
Every time I read one of your posts, I am struck by what an excellent
writer you are! Thank you for providing such enjoyment!
Cheers, Susan C.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:14:45 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: I told Joni about the underground
All this talk about meeting Joni reminds me of an exchange
I once had with the lady. The concert at London's Royal Festival
Hall in 1972 had been a disaster from a technical point of view.
It started over an hour late and the p.a. broke down a number
of times during the concert, which delayed things even more.
When she left the stage after the last song I went down to the
front in case there was going to be an encore. The house lights
were on and most people were leaving apart from me and about
twenty other die-hards gathered in front of the stage. She
eventually reappeared. The stage was low and I was about three
feet from her. Up close, she seemed very sophisticated to a
freckled kid like me who was out late in the big city - she smoked,
her toenails were painted and she was tanned. She seemed
slightly taken aback and asked us why everyone was leaving. A
voice from behind me informed her that they were rushing out to
catch the last underground. Thinking I was the one who had
spoken, she looked at me with a puzzled look and said
"underground ?". I managed to blurt out the word "subway",
remembering the word from American tv shows. She replied
"Oh right" and began picking the first notes of The Circle Game.
When she sang I was so close I was hearing her live without the
amplification.
Philip
NP The Pastels - Leaving this Island (Jim O'Rourke remix)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:31:33 +0100
From: "Juerg Loeffler"
Subject: Re: I told Joni about the underground
Hi Philip,
>When she sang I was so close I was hearing her live without the
>amplification.
Now for *this* I am really yealous! A wonderful story :-)
- - Juerg -
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:42:15 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: HELLO TO ALL--FIRST TIME HERE
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> From: MRS MARILYN A BILLONE
> To: joni@smoe.org
> Subject: HELLO TO ALL--FIRST TIME HERE
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 10:57 PM
>
> (1) Did Joni actually spend the time having the audience's furniture
>
> arranged on her incredible set?
>
> (2) How many of you were actually there?
>
> (3) Do you think this is Joni's "LAST" gig for the public?
>
> (4) When did Joni start smoking (cigarettes) again?
>
> (5) Finally, what color are Joni's eyes?
>
> Thanks for listening, and, hopefully, sharing. Hope to visit more
> often, now that I've broken through the ice!
>
> Marilyn (B.)
Oh boy a pop quiz!
1.?
2.?
3. The show or the concerts? I think she'll do more TV / Done with concerts
(This is an essay question)
4. My guess is she didn't quit for very long.
5. BLUE! her eyes are BLUE!
I know I've got 1 right.
Welcome! and by the way nice name!
Marilyn
I live in a box of paints
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:15:11 +0000
From: "Deb Messling"
Subject: Is anybody out there? (NJC)
Sorry to take up bandwidth, but I'm not getting any Joni mail, and I
can't believe this bunch of yakkers has suddenly fallen silent.
Am I missing mail?
I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat.
-- Joni Mitchell
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:50:44 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Gershwin and Joni
From today's wire:
Herbie Hancock: Exploring Gershwin's World
By CHARLES J. GANS
Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK (AP) — Herbie Hancock got more than
he expected when Joni Mitchell and Stevie Wonder
joined him one night at a Los Angeles studio to
record tracks for the pianist's new album.
The album is ``Gershwin's World,'' a tribute
marking the centennial of the birth of George
Gershwin, one of America's most popular
20th-century composers.
Mitchell and Wonder — while celebrated for
putting their own stylistic imprints on their
original songs — are seldom thought of as
interpreters of older standards. But on this
Gershwin tribute, Hancock decided to cast
convention aside.
Hancock happened to call Mitchell after she had
sung a Duke Ellington tune with an orchestra in
Canada, and she was looking to do more standards.
``Actually, I was skeptical at first because I couldn't
really
hear in my ear Joni's voice singing these pieces
because they
were so different from the kinds of pieces I was
constantly
hearing her voice on,'' Hancock recalled.
``But she started singing this Duke Ellington piece on
the
phone. ... and I was floored by hearing her sing this
way. ...
And she told me that this is what she originally used
to do
before she started her professional career. She was
always
listening to jazz. ... Her own music doesn't give her a
chance
to demonstrate much of the lyrical quality of her voice.''
On ``Gershwin's World'' (Verve), released in October, Mitchell recasts
herself
as a sultry jazz chanteuse on ``The Man I Love,'' with lyrical
accompaniment
from Hancock and Wayne Shorter on tenor saxophone. ``Summertime'' adds
Wonder's bluesy harmonica to the accompaniment.
Originally, Wonder was brought in only to play harmonica because
Hancock
assumed he couldn't work out the contractual details to have him sing.
But in
the early morning hours, as they worked out an arrangement for ``St.
Louis
Blues,'' Wonder started making suggestions, singing fragments to
illustrate his
point.
``It sounded so perfect. ... that we finally got the courage to ask him
about
singing,'' Hancock said. ``He gave a little start and started joking
about it in a
way, but we could tell he was serious and we worked it out.
``We thought we'd get a take or two if we're lucky, but Stevie worked
until 8
o'clock that morning. He really put his heart and soul into it. He gave
take
after take of just excellent stuff.''
Such contributions make ``Gershwin's World'' stand out among the many
recorded tributes celebrating the composer's birthday. He was born on
Sept.
26, 1898.
``I didn't want to just play Gershwin pieces and maybe just make the
voices
more modern,'' said Hancock. ``I've been there, done that. I felt at
this point in
my life I'm not so interested in doing things that are straight because
anybody
could do that.''
While Hancock's piano is a constant thread linking the 14 tracks from
the
opening percussion-driven ``Fascinating Rhythm'' to his closing solo
version of
``Embraceable You,'' only a handful feature him with a standard jazz
combo.
There is a mix of young jazz lions: saxophonists Kenny Garrett and
James
Carter, and Hancock's peers, Shorter and Chick Corea. But the musicians
also
include African percussionists, with the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra
supplying classical string arrangements, and opera diva Kathleen Battle
providing soaring wordless vocals on Gershwin's ``Prelude in C Minor.''
Hancock also expanded ``Gershwin's World'' by including works by
musicians
who either influenced Gershwin or were influenced by him. Gershwin drew
inspiration from blues popularizer W.C. Handy, represented here by
``St.
Louis Blues,'' and Harlem stride pianist James P. Johnson, whose
``Blueberry
Rhyme'' is turned into a rollicking piano duo matching Corea and
Hancock.
Maurice Ravel — a personal friend of Gershwin — incorporated jazz
elements
into his ``Concerto for Piano and Orchestra in G,'' and in performing
its second
movement, Hancock takes up the challenge of improvising on what Ravel
originally wrote. In choosing Ellington's ``Cottontail,'' Hancock
included one of
the many jazz standards based upon the chord changes to Gershwin's ``I
Got
Rhythm.''
``There are only two basic forms in jazz,'' said Hancock, in a
telephone
interview from Birmingham, Ala., during a break in his tour with the
reunited Headhunters, his seminal 1970s jazz fusion band. ``There's the
blues,
which wasn't written by anyone in particular, and there's rhythm
changes,
which were written by George Gershwin.''
What makes Gershwin so enduring, Hancock said, is that he was ``a man
of
great courage and vision,'' who wrote music that stood on top of
various genres,
from Tin Pan Alley to jazz and classical.
``There's a depth of feeling and heart in Gershwin's music that reaches
a
deeper part of your life and grabs you,'' he said. ``That's why over
the years his
music has sustained its popularity.''
Hancock, 58, is a worthy heir to the Gershwin tradition. He was
classically
trained as a youth, and at 11, performed Mozart with the Chicago
Symphony
Orchestra. In the 1960s, he blossomed into one of the most influential
jazz
pianists and composers of his generation, both through his recordings
as a
leader and as a member of Miles Davis' legendary quintet.
Then in the '70s, Hancock put his mark on pop music with the
Headhunters,
whose mix of Sly Stone-inspired funky rhythms and electronic sounds are
being sampled by today's hip-hop generation. The first two Headhunters
albums are now available on CD as part of Columbia/Legacy's ``Classic
Fusion''
series.
Hancock's current contract with Polygram allows him to record for its
jazz, pop
and classical labels. He also recently launched his own record label,
distributed
by Verve. The first release, ``Return of the Headhunters,'' puts a '90s
spin on
the original group's jazz-funk style.
Now, with his own signature label, Hancock hopes to expose new talent
without regard to musical genre.
``What I have in mind is not to limit it to jazz. ... but to be a
vehicle for artists I
stand behind and feel have a great potential musically.''
Jerry
np: The Songs of Pete Seeger
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:52:47 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Re: Clarifying Sour Grapes/Meeting Joni
thanks wally
I needed that
nothing like a good grammar screw up to keep you humble!
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:05:43 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Re: Request for Joni stories
The knitting story was told right before JM played BYT on the PPV special
aired 11/7.
It's this account of when she left CA and went up to a small fishing village
and this lady with orange hair and black roots came into her room while she
was knitting a poncho. The lady had more or less barged in with her glass of
gin, ice cubes tinkling and proceeded to tell Joan that she was "dull, dull,
dull." The OHL wants to know what Joan is doing and Joan tells her that she
is knitting paradise. OHL remarks that the colors that Joan is using are not
paradise because paradise is VIVID! OHL continues and says that she has a
friend in Vancouver that likes to "go, go, go" and she and Jack are the same
you know and her friend wears colors like magenta and turquoise (pronounced
tur-qwaz). Well, that's VIVID. At any rate, the OHL invites Joan to come
over and have a drink with her and Jack but Joan declines because she likes to
"knit, knit, knit" and besides she's naked. As the OHL resigns to this
rejection, she comments how dull kids are today and as she walks out on to the
balcony, Joan hears her say, "jesus christ jack, look at these stars ain't
they something!!"
Not as eloquently told for sure (and probably not without typos or grammar
faux pas) but you get the basic gist.
There are lots of theories about what it all means and how it relates to BYT.
But it was a really good story anyway.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:10:49 EST
From: Drewdix@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gershwin and Joni
In a message dated 98-11-12 08:55:04 EST, you write:
<< NEW YORK (AP) — Herbie Hancock got more than
he expected when Joni Mitchell and Stevie Wonder
joined him one night at a Los Angeles studio to
record tracks for the pianist's new album.
>>
Have I missed threads on this record? Because I'm surprised there'es been so
little chat about "Gershwin's World". You all need to run right out and get
this, if only for the two Joni cuts. Stevie W. is terrific. The weaving in and
out of Classical and Jazz works, and the music keeps unfolding and unfolding;
hearing and feeling something new with each listen. Joni sounds great!
- --DD
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:19:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: Re: Breaking the silence...
Welcome, Russ!
I think tops on joni's jazz list would be
Miles, Miles, and more Miles (Davis that is...)
bill
On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Bounced Message wrote:
> From: "Russ L."
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:22:58 -0500
>
> Hey everyone...
> Inspired by Marilyn's "coming out"... I'll jump out as well. My
> name's Russ Lane/MythicalC for Instant Messaging folks, I'm 19 attending
> university at UNC-Chapel Hill in North Carolina. Joni has always been in
> my life (although as much as I like her I won't listen to Both Sides Now
> of Big Yellow taxi... bad memories of the family station wagon :-) ),
> but I didn't become I fan on my own until Turb. Indigo. Now I'm hooked.
> I've owned quite a bit of Joni over the 4(!) years I've been a fan, but
> my favs still have to be the apply named Hejira, TI, and of course Blue.
> "A Case of You" is my life in microcosm, but "Black Crow" was adopted
> into my philosophy...y'know, "in search of love and music/my whole life
> has been"
> The question I would like to pose is this... One of my favourite
> interviews form J came from Details, the one when she talked about
> "simpleminded Americans" not appreciating Jazz. I'm taking some Jazz
> classes now and I'm wondering what albums Joni has recommended, or
> albums you think deserving of a listen. I have most of the classics but
> it's hard to be a connoisseur in the genre when so much is out there.
> BTW, I hope you all have heard Cassandra Wilson's excellent reading of
> "Black Crow"... I'm not exaggerating when I say it is on par with the
> original. Anyway, I'm glad to be here with fellow Joni fans in what I
> hope proves to be a great experience!
> Take care,
> Russ Lane/MythicalC
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:22:06 EST
From: JRMCo1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jaques Derrida Rides Again!!
Hi B:
Welcome to the JMDL! And thanks for the clever subject line. For those
groping for a clue to who Jaques Derrida is, as I was, I found this bio bit:
"Jaques Derrida, the leading figure in the current trend in philosophy and
literary criticism known as 'deconstructionism.' It seems to describe the
tangled, unhierarchical nature of the internet. The very nature of
deconstructionism defies definition, claiming that words are inadequate to the
task of defining reality."
Hmmm. Interesting sounding dude and thought provoking philosophy, ostensibly.
I certainly agree with the inadequacy of words premise. That's part of why
Joni's music means so much to me. Other artists, too, but Joni above them
all. But you're saying that Derrida's writing is circular psychobabble,
right? I'll take your word for it, because you seem pretty smart to me, and I
haven't read him. But, let's talk about Joni and we of The List.
You said:
<>
You know, B, I don't think Joni would be shocked or surprised at this sort of
discourse, especially if she considers that all it amounts to is friendly
(mostly) differences of perspective among people who adore her and think about
her and her work nearly every day of their lives.
<>
Please don't fall prey to the fallacy that *everyone* on the jmdl, all 500 or
so of us, share all, or any, of the opinions expressed on a particular thread.
We don't (do we?). Seems like too often lately everyone gets a verbal
spanking for things one or two of our sisters or brothers have posted. I have
a propensity toward guilt by association, and that sort of blanket
admonishment smarts, a little.
I'm reminded of something I read recently about some young Christian musicians
who wear bracelets with the letters "WWJD" emblazened on them. Stands for
"What Would Jesus Do" (for best results, interchange your supreme being of
choice). Pretty cool, I thought. However, even though I tend to deify Joni
sometimes, I'm not prepared to sport a WWJT bracelet when posting here. That
would drive me twisted, I'm sure. As if I could presume to know what she
would think about this or that. If I could, I'd be perhaps the world's second
best songwriter. Her opinions often surprise me.
But, for my part, I would love to meet Joni anywhere, for any length of time
that destiny ordains. Sure, I'm envious of those who have brushed up against
her, but not to the point of invidiousness. If people hadn't kindly posted
their experiences here, I wouldn't be afflicted with this petty envy, but that
cure is much worse than the disease for me. There is a degree of bliss I
experience that comes from sharing others' joy - or whatever emotions they may
have had in meeting my "idol". This list has provided me with so many varied
slendiferous vicarious thrills that way. The little bit of bickering that
goes on here is like a flea bite on an elephant's arse to me at this point.
But your point is well taken. Again, welcome!
- -Julius
In a message dated 98-11-12 02:13:36 EST, bern.gallagher@mci2000.com writes:
<< I just got here, But I'd like to point out that all this
meeting Joni stuff is circular psychobabble. I've
really enjoyed meeting you all but I sometimes
recoil when I think what Joni would think of this,
people accusing other people of being jealous
and other people admitting they're jealous and
other people insisting that they're not jealous.
Help! I'm trapped in Jesuit kinderrgarten!
Everybody looks so ill at ease
So distressed and so displeased
B. >>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:41:01 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Will work for copy of PPV ...
Yes I will wash your car, shine your shoes, floss your cat -- in fact,
I'll even send you a blank tape and an SASE if you can provide me a copy
of the PPV -- which demon angel TCI did not see fit to carry here in St.
Louis. Please e-mail me privately if you can assist. Many thanks in
advance to the jmdl ...
Don Rowe
______________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:03:03 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Jaques Derrida Rides Again!!
>I just got here, But I'd like to point out that all this
> meeting Joni stuff is circular psychobabble. I've
> really enjoyed meeting you all but I sometimes
>recoil when I think what Joni would think of this,
> people accusing other people of being jealous
>and other people admitting they're jealous and
>other people insisting that they're not jealous.
> Help! I'm trapped in Jesuit kinderrgarten!
>
Hi Bernadette! Sorry I couldn't resist the title of your post, so
please allow me to plant my tongue firmly in cheek, slip into my Derrida
beret, and point out that ...
Jealousy, or that signifier which we use to refer to the emotional state
of deprivation, merely serves to separate us from the experience of
non-meetings with Joni. Thus we are forced to admit, rather than
subtracting that which we can't get our mits on, that we do, indeed,
feel deprivation.
The denial that inevitably follows gels within us, but is merely the
second move in what Wittgenstein calls the language game -- an empty set
symbolic fantasy which forever masks the reality that Joni shows us --
it is not a language game -- it is, in fact, The Circle Game.
Don Rowe ;-)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:12:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Thomas Ross
Subject: hipy papy Julie (NJC)
as Owl (WOL) spells it. . .
and if this were a recording you'd hear me singing it backwards, Eelooj!
btw -- - tame THIS tiger!
tr
("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._
`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`).
(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-'
_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'
(il).-'' (li).' ((!.-'
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:16:38 -0500
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC)
Now I know the Rock Hall is mostly a joke, but I'm so happy that one
of my all-time faves, Dusty Springfield, has not been overlooked in
favor of lesser guy-rock bands. The induction will take place on March
15 of next year. Hopefully she'll live that long.
The other inductees will be Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Del Shannon,
the Staples Singers, Curtis Mayfield (!), Bob Wills and the Texas
Playboys, Paul McCartney, Charles Brown and George Martin.
- --Michael
NP: Massive Attack v. Mad Professor, _No Protection_
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:49:37 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Even more Joni Musings
As Joni started her "Song for Sharon Bell" last Saturday night for
her final performance on this tour in Atlanta, I had a lot of memories
flood back to me from 20 years ago. Maybe she did too, as she
went through all the chord changes of the piece before she
started the lyrics for us.
I was playing Hejira constantly circa 1977-1984 as I finished paying
off school loans, established work-a-day-world skills, and
struggled with relationship issues. That song and most on
Hejira played as a backdrop to my life. I always thought of the
lines "A woman I knew just drowned herself, the well was deep and
muddy/ She was just shaking off futility, or punishing somebody..."
as I worked with suicidal and depressed patients on our unit in the
hospital and wondered to what extent Joni was touched by the
depth of that kind of despair in a friend or acquaintance, that she
could put so succinctly that image of self-destruction in two lines
with a stark image AND philosophy wrapped in them? To this day
I think she is the premier image painter in words and music.
When I saw her Saturday night doing these songs of my younger
days and looking as she did 30(!) years ago, I floated off in time
and experienced everything and more that I hoped seeing her
live would do. Actually it was better, (as I have longed and
anticipated and feared she would not tour) than what I had hoped
for all these years.
Joni was magnificent.
She did some of my all-time favorite songs.
She was quite aware of our presence and interacted/reacted
to the audience in an intense fashion.
She allowed the audience to wish her a happy birthday.
And she allowed a few of us to give her our personal heartfelt
thank-you's and some material tokens of our appreciation.
She took time with each of us and allowed us to have moments
that will be cherished for life times.
I have enjoyed so much my first live Joni shows starting
last May and culminating in Atlanta. For me to see
Joni in my region for her birthday appearance and for the
last show and to be able to meet and thank her personally
will be some of my most happy experiences for my
life, I am certain.
Marsha, drifting off into the memory of the way...
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:45:58 -0800
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: Re: Joni online
Joni online? Hmmmm. Normally I wouldn't expect her to tune in. But
considering the fact that Kilauren is a computer person and that she met so
many wonderful JMDL'rs ( I assume you all identified as such) during her
tour, She may just pop in sometime for a dose of gossip. You never know!
Susan Chaloner wrote:
> Marsha wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry, Juerg.
> > I was only joking. Joni hasn't and probably won't
> > ever grace our list. She is too smart to bombard her
> > artistic senses with our kind of communication here.
>
> Marsha McBabe,
>
> We just never know...Joni strikes me as a person who isn't locked into
> anything, including smartdom...and besides, my alternate vision tells me
> she enjoys bombarding her senses from time to time...I wouldn't be at
> all surprised if she dove down here for something shiny once in a very
> blue moon ;~D
>
> Susan L.A.
> aka Honey McBabe :~D
- --
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:07:42 -0700
From: Steve Dulson
Subject: The parthenon of my subconscious (NJC)
Kay wrote:
>a hero who has held such a huge place in the parthenon of my subconscious
While I think that Kay probably meant "pantheon", I just love the phrase
"the parthenon of my subconscious". It would make a great CD title for a
sensitive singer/songwriter type.
Best,
##############################################################
Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com
"The Tinker's Own"
http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html
"Southern California Dulcimer Heritage"
http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:27:49 -0800
From: jan gyn
Subject: Re: Jaques Derrida Rides Again!!
Yowzers!
Truth or Derrida!
Wasn't Joni partial to berets and the occasional Gitane? And doesn't she
have a song called 'Barthes&grill'?
Anyhoo, I'm forwarding your delightful message to, if not the proper
authorities, at least a few f(r)iends...
- -jan :)
>Hi Bernadette! Sorry I couldn't resist the title of your post, so
>please allow me to plant my tongue firmly in cheek, slip into my Derrida
>beret, and point out that ...
>
>Jealousy, or that signifier which we use to refer to the emotional state
>of deprivation, merely serves to separate us from the experience of
>non-meetings with Joni. Thus we are forced to admit, rather than
>subtracting that which we can't get our mits on, that we do, indeed,
>feel deprivation.
>
>The denial that inevitably follows gels within us, but is merely the
>second move in what Wittgenstein calls the language game -- an empty set
>symbolic fantasy which forever masks the reality that Joni shows us --
>it is not a language game -- it is, in fact, The Circle Game.
>
>Don Rowe ;-)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:17:48 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: Jaco Pastorius in the news
What's the story with Jaco ? The man they're calling the Jimi Hendrix
of bass seems to be everywhere at the moment. A four part radio
series starts on Radio 3 this Saturday. He's in The Wire magazine
and a seven page spread in Bassist magazine somehow manages
not to mention Joni Mitchell. Try harder Bassist. The best article,
as someone else mentioned was by Charles Sharr Murray in last
Friday's Independent which gives proper credit to Joni Mitchell.
Whoever is handling the PR for all this is doing a massive job.
Philip
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:21:21 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC)
About time, Dusty In Memphis is one of the best records ever.
Dusty's got soul.
Philip
>Now I know the Rock Hall is mostly a joke, but I'm so happy that one
>of my all-time faves, Dusty Springfield, has not been overlooked in
>favor of lesser guy-rock bands. The induction will take place on March
>15 of next year. Hopefully she'll live that long.
>
>The other inductees will be Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Del Shannon,
>the Staples Singers, Curtis Mayfield (!), Bob Wills and the Texas
>Playboys, Paul McCartney, Charles Brown and George Martin.
>
>--Michael
>
>NP: Massive Attack v. Mad Professor, _No Protection_
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:42:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)"
Subject: Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC)
And her box set is the real thing. Excellent.
Jerry
np:Julia Fordham - East West
On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, philip wrote:
> About time, Dusty In Memphis is one of the best records ever.
> Dusty's got soul.
>
> Philip
>
> >Now I know the Rock Hall is mostly a joke, but I'm so happy that one
> >of my all-time faves, Dusty Springfield, has not been overlooked in
> >favor of lesser guy-rock bands. The induction will take place on March
> >15 of next year. Hopefully she'll live that long.
> >
> >The other inductees will be Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Del Shannon,
> >the Staples Singers, Curtis Mayfield (!), Bob Wills and the Texas
> >Playboys, Paul McCartney, Charles Brown and George Martin.
> >
> >--Michael
> >
> >NP: Massive Attack v. Mad Professor, _No Protection_
> >
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:41:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: musician mag
just got my copy of the december musician magazine,
with the joni interview. the photos are fabulous!
more critical comments about the state of the biz,
and stuff ranging from finding a bass player who
not play fenceposts, to gershwin, sampling,
and being immune to hipness (all together now,
hip is a herd mentality). even tho she's on hiatus
in the north, we could still get her lots of press,
just by having us jmdlers do the interviews.
bill
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:40:39 EST
From: Ashara@aol.com
Subject: Just to let you know.... (NJC)
For all those waiting for a personal reply either to questions about video
tapes, or other such things, please know that I will be mostly out of
commision for the next 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. I have a bunch of deadlines, and my
son's Bar Mitzvah is a week from Saturday!!! I will do my best to get to
everyone as soon as I possibly can, but PLEASE be patient and understanding.
Thanks!
Hugs,
Ashara
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:01:40 -0500
From: "Smith, Bill (R&D)"
Subject: Joni audio/video trades.
Hello fellow JM fans,
I just subscribed to this list so this is my first post. I was wondering if there are any Joni fans who collect live audio and/or
video that would be interested in trading. Let me make one thing clear for those who may not be familiar with tape trading. Most
fans who trade tapes respect the rights of the individual artist whom they follow and are not into collecting or distributing tapes
to "make money," which would certainly be unethical and infringe upon copyright laws and royalty rights by the artist. Therefore,
only trades are accepted, no selling or buying allowed. Most tape traders are simply hardcore fans who enjoy collecting as much
material of a particular artist as they can get their hands (and ears) on, and want to share what they have with other likeminded
fans through trading, which benefits the collection of both persons involved. I would love some contact with individuals that may
have live recordings (audio and video) of Joni that they would be interested in trading copies of for other artists. Unfortunately I
do not have any live audio or video of Joni to trade (which is why I'm sending this message). I do however have many hours of video
from various other artists that Joni fans may also be interested in. My tastes are quite diverse so I have a wide range of music
available.
If any of you have audio/video you would be willing to trade, then e-mail me with a list of what you have and I'll send you my list.
I'm interested in TV appearances, live concerts, etc. My e-mail address is smithb3@rjrt.com.
Thanks,
Bill Smith
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:43:26 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: RE: Request for Joni stories
This story is fantastic! I love love love it! VIVID, MAN!
WallyK, who would've jonied OHL and Jack just like THAT!
- -----Original Message-----
De: MHart16164@aol.com
Para: Wallykai@interserver.com.ar
CC: joni@smoe.org
Fecha: jueves 12 de noviembre de 1998 8:10
Asunto: Re: Request for Joni stories
>The knitting story was told right before JM played BYT on the PPV special
>aired 11/7.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:53:07 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: Joni in DC: the report (long)
Hi everyone, I just sent my review of the 11/5/98 concert in Maryland to
Wally. I made a positive review of Joni's performance, but I felt like it
was important to talk about some other issues, none of which concern Joni,
so maybe this should be a NJC letter.
When I saw Joni in the 70s a few times, my sister, Debbie, and our friend
Lynny would be around and about. So it was a great reunion with the two of
them coming from Southern Virginia to join me at the concert. We headed
directly to the airport to pick up Jerry Notaro. I felt sure I would like
him, and he was just delightful. A real gentleman and hilarious as well. He
and my sister and Lynny seemed like old-time friends. After avoiding a
ticket at National airport for driving backwards in our efforts to find
Jerry, we went to "Nana's" to retrieve Cindy. So now Jerry is a true family
member, having been to Nana's, who is 91 and going strong.
We headed to Bill's friends, Roy and Billy for a charming preshow
gathering. Julie and Jon were there, and a bunch of other JMDLers. Lots of
gabbing, lots of pizza, lots of excitement!
We soon headed to the venue. Bill and I had to get our photo passes from
will-call. God, it took forever for them to figure it out. 20 minutes
later, we were finally walking in. We introduced ourselves to the stage
security to avoid any problems. We were told we could only shoot two songs,
3 & 4. Fine. Wait, wait, wait... the first band comes and goes. I am just
getting my gear in place so I'll be all set. I had ye ole Nikon F with a
wide angle lens, a Kodak DC210 digital camera, and yes Rog, my new Sony
Mavica 8100. I had the Sony on a tripod.
So after almost an hour and a half from when the show started, out she
came. I felt like I was in a dream. A few folks were getting seated during
BYT, but that is not uncommon. BUT when she started Just Like This Train, a
commotion arose behind me. Four people had arrived to claim their occupied
seats. Chatter flashlights... finally, they got it figured out. I'm
thinking, "I'm in hell." Well, they will settle down and not talk for the
rest of the show...
Song 3, Night Ride Home, and Bill and I scoot to the right side front of
the stage. we get set up quick, and it feels perfect to be there with Bill.
Everything is cool, cool, cool. And then the song ends. What to my ears
should appear? "Get your ass out of my face." What? Where? i am thinking.
It took us a few seconds to realize this nasty guy was talking to us! How
could it be? I said to him we would just be there for one more song, and he
said that if I didn't move my ass he would kick it away. I'm thinking,
"this is NOT happening."
Bill says Joni commented on the little disturbance. Did she? Oh god, how
horrible. Anyway, the security comes and asks us if we want to move to the
other side? YES! But the floor is covered with an uneven plastic tarp. I am
juggling all this stuff in my arms, and proceed to trip and land completely
on my left knee. The cameras were fine. My knee, busted up (still bruised
and swollen one week later). So here I am, on my knees, crawling to the
side, and another Dylan security person keeps nudging me along, saying,
"move over more, more, more..." I'm crawling along... Somehow, we get set
up before she starts Crazy Cries of Love. It is a blur. Thank the goddess
Joni couldn't see this because the stage was high enough, or I would have
been more humiliated. So the song ends and the Dylan security says, "I
don't want to see you back up here." Like we were gonna be disrespectful or
abuse our privilidge... geez...
Oh, now it gets worse because when I got back to row 15 center isle, the
new folks behind us were only there for Dylan, therefore, they decided it
was fine to have a very LOUD conversation and not even glance at the stage.
I turned around and asked them politely to please not talk. That did
nothing. So through Harry's House and the Hejira trio, I am trying to
ignore them, but they were too loud. So I asked them if they were going to
talk through the entire show. "Turn around you fucking dyke" was the
response. Charmed, I am sure. So I go tell the security, who do nothing.
But when I get back, they are gone. Joni is just starting Magdalene
Laundries, and I am saying to myself, relax, relax... It was over four
songs later. I couldn't really focus like I wanted to.
Last night we went to hear Catie Curtis and Mary Chapin Carpenter at the
Birchmere. Heaven. Pin drop silence. If Joni does tour with torch ballads
someday, I hope she plays smaller venues, by herself, no Dylan. He was
really good, but from where I sat his audiance was really rude and showed
little to no respect for Joni's performance.
Sherrie
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:09:45 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: watching PPV (short)
So the next day, after the show, Jerry and I tooled around Dupont Cirlce
for a bit, then hooked up with Cindy to get groceries for the PPV bash.
Everyone got lost coming to the burbs. City folk. But Cindy guided everyone
there. She and Jerry made a huge vat'o'chilli, and Jerry had bought
wonderful breads while we were at Dupont. My job was bringing the tv up
from downstairs and getting it set up. Everyone got there in plenty of
time, Duane, Bob with charm to sway, Barbara, Bill, Jules and Jon and
Patrick. We had no technical difficulties, thank the goddess of moving
parts.
It was so comfortable and fabulous to watch with this group. We all laughed
when Joni quickly stopped painting and rushed out to the stage. We were all
totally silent during the songs, and everyone applauded between the songs.
It was just so good we had to. What fun. Thanks to everyone for sharing
that time. To me, events like that are the treasures of this list.
Then, the next day, we all "did" van Gogh. Sorry we never got to say good
bye Patrick, were you looking at that wheat field for an hour? Thanks to
Michael for getting it all together, it was a wonderful way to celebrate
her birthday, I mean, if you can't be in Atlanta eating cake!
So Jerry, Cindy and I want to know when you are moving in with us? Oh,
you'll never leave that warm climate, even for us. We had a wonderful time
with you, doll.
Sherrie
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:59:00 +0000
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - November 13
1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others,
performs in New Haven, Connecticut at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum. She
performs the song "Jungle Line" from her just released new album "The
Hissing of Summer Lawns".
1980: Today, Rolling Stone publishes a review of the album "Shadows and
Light." It read: "The extraordinary power of Shadows and Light, one of a
handful of great live rock albums, took me by surprise, since Joni Mitchell
is primarily a studio artist, not a concert performer... This is the finest
ensemble that Mitchell has worked with, and her exhilarating vocals reflect
her complete confidence in these musicians."
Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revsalrs.htm
1997: Today's Rolling Stone publishes a story called "Women of Rock: The
Seventies" as says of Joni: "Her difficulties as a lover, she decided,
involved the same character trait that prodded her art past the blander
boundaries of pop: 'I'm a confronter by nature,' she concluded. 'I have a
tendency to confront my relationships much more often than people would
care. I'm always being told that I talk too much.'"
Read it all at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs971113.htm
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:45:21 -0600
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: Re: HELLO TO ALL--FIRST TIME HERE
At 08:33 PM 11/11/1998 -0800, Kakki wrote:
>Hi Marilyn B,
>Welcome in from Lurkland! You asked:
>>(4) When did Joni start smoking (cigarettes) again?
>She never stopped.
Kakki,
In the PPV story of the OHW, she says that she was knitting because she'd
stopped smoking. So there is at least one time she has "tried" to quit.
Don't know how long she held out for. But probably not long.
I'm still mixed up about this story. She says it was after the break up of
CSN so it was *after* she wrote Woodstock. I have come to the conclusion
that it is just a beautiful story to make you think and feel. I wonder if
Joni has every considered serious writing.. like a novel or short story?
But then we wouldn't get her great vocal characters. She's truly amazing!
Diana
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:48:36 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: Hello and welcome/Video trees
Isn't it great that so many people are taking courage and posting for the
first time!
Welcome to all of you, and to the rest ... well, come on in!
Last night -- prompted by Marsha's comments on Joni's green velvet dress --
I watched video tree tape one again. Joni was, is and will always be one of
the most beautiful women in the world! The Dick Cavett [sp?] segments are
incredible. Her stratospherically high note at the end of Chelsea Morning
never fails to take me by surprise! I like how Grace Slick gives Joni a
standing ovation too. I'm sure everybody must have been stunned by Joni's
pure, natural soprano. The tapes reminded me one of the reasons why I became
a Joni Mitchell freak: Everything about her is exceptional. No one can hold
a candle to Joni Mitchell.
WallyK
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:14:12 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: RE: The parthenon of my subconscious (NJC)
Steve wrote
I just love the phrase
>"the parthenon of my subconscious". It would make a great CD title for a
>sensitive singer/songwriter type.
What was that phrase that ChuckE [or was it Les] once used? Something about
bare-breasted ladies ... It was so funny. Does anybody remember?
By the way, where IS ChuckE ?!?!?
WallyK
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:17:41 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: PS: Joni in MAryland (NJC, really)
Alas! I forgot to mention our after concert trip to the Barnside Diner. Why
did we stop there? Because we were starving and, it was there. I had four
people wedged in the back of the car, Cindy and I up front, and as were
leaving the show some dude plows into the back of us. Well, he bumped us.
Hard. Everyone tumbled out of the backseat to examine my scraped bumper.
Did we want to call the cops? I'm thinking, right. The cops come, and then
it looks like a sardine can in my backseat when we leave. Not good. So we
rolled on to the Barnside... I think it took about 2 hours to order, eat
and pay up. And only because we were so hungry we couldn't move did we
stay. At the table beside of us we saw four or five groups come and go
without ordering. We asked them all what they thought about Joni's
performance. There were mixed reviews. Most of the younger folks were there
for Dylan it seemed. It just got more surreal as the moments ticked by.
Except for Jerry's charm, and my sister Debbie pouring our drinks, I don't
think we would have ever gotten a morsel of food. But we were so up from
the show and each other, we really didn't mind so much.
Sherrie
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:21:00 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Joni - To see or not to see
I felt kind of obligated to respond to this thread regarding joni-visits based
on the mini-series I wrote about my experience on Sunday. (My/our meeting &
talking after the Atlanta show). I sure wasn't trying to flaunt what I
experienced or wave it in front of anyone's face or incite some kind of
jealousy; rather I wanted to simply share my good fortune and indeed made it
so detailed so everyone could share in the joy! (Virtual Joni) And all the
responses I got, both on and off-list, made me feel like my efforts were
worthwhile.
I guess what I don't understand is why a true fan wouldn't want the chance to
say a simple "thank you for what your work has meant to me" to an artist of
this stature. Granted, there are lots of celebrities I wouldn't cross the
street to meet, and I certainly wouldn't join a discussion list for any of
them.
I remember when I went to see Bob Keeshan, aka Captain Kangaroo, when he came
into town to give a lecture on children. I made it a point to approach him
afterwards and share with him how much I enjoyed his show when I was a kid,
and he seemed to get a kick out of hearing what he had probably heard a
million times before, plus it made me feel good to be able to tell him.
I'm not sure what my point is ;-D, I guess I'm sorry that any sort of
controversy developed over something which should be pure joy! I certainly
don't have any regrets about meeting her, and I'm still hoping for that
dance!!
Bob M. in SC
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:15:00 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Joni online
Phyliss wrote:
>Joni online? Hmmmm. Normally I wouldn't expect her to tune in. But
>considering the fact that Kilauren is a computer person and that she met
>so many wonderful JMDL'rs ( I assume you all identified as such) during
>her tour, She may just pop in sometime for a dose of gossip. You never
>know!
If 550 people from all over the world were getting together to talk behind
my back everyday, I would definitely feel the urge to eavesdrop
occasionally!
I've read accounts of numerous high-profile music artists and actors getting
online under pseudonyms to check things out! Some are as addicted to the
net as anyone else. Ultimately, I think Joni has more things that catch her
interest than the internet, but it seems impossible that she hasn't checked
us out to some extent yet.
Kakki
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:28:53 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: Re: Dusty Springfield to be inducted into RR Hall of Fame! (NJC)
>From: Gerald Notaro (LIB)
>And her box set is the real thing. Excellent.
thanks for the info. I'm going to ask Santa to bring me one
of those.
Philip
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:25:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: Kate and Anna McGarrigle on NPR (NJC)
Friday 11/13/98 on NPR stations
FRESH AIR with Terry Gross
Canadian singer-songwriters Kate and Anna McGarrigle have just released a
new CD called "The McGarrigle Hour". It's a family affair featuring
contributions by Kate's ex-husband Loudon and their children. We invited
the entire clan into the studio for a concert and interview.
Brian
np: Ophelia - Natalie Merchant (thanx Bob)
===
"No paper thin walls
No folks above
No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"
yeah, right
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:06:21 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Joni on Charlie Rose???
PLEASE tell me I didn't miss Joni on Charlie Rose today! Please tell me I
was hallucinating when I saw posted in the list!
(And if she really was on it today, I definitely don't need my nose rubbed
in it!)
MarkyMark
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