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JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 472
The Joni Tour Pages:
http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html
http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: No NY, LA or other initials ["Kakki" ]
Re: JONI on vinyl ["Juerg Loeffler" ]
Re: NJC - Advocate outing [Susan Chaloner ]
SV: Where Are The Reviews? ["Peter Holmstedt" ]
NJC: Jaco Pastorius radio program (UK) [Howard Wright ]
Request for Joni stories [M.Russell@iaea.org]
Re : Jimmy Webb show ["philip" ]
RE: This Flight Tonight ["philip" ]
Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album [Jason Maloney ]
Re: NJC:Gastritis [Jerry Notaro ]
Pay Per View Review (JC) [kbarnicle@ensr.com]
Re: Request for Joni stories ["Marsha" ]
Joni in T.O. ["Gerry Goss" ]
Re: (NJC) Re: advices on how to handle info-flow ;-) ;-) ;-) [heather ]
Fwd: .Joni's knitting story [MHart16164@aol.com]
Re: Fwd: .Joni's knitting story [Jerry Notaro ]
B-day Card [Lisa Molin ]
Re: PPV [Julie Blau ]
Re: No NY, LA or other initials [Phyliss Ward ]
Re: More Joni Musings [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Birthday Card/Atlanta [Medric Faulkner ]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #471 [Bounced Message ]
Re: CBC special [Bounced Message ]
Re: Summer/Winter albums [Bounced Message ]
Re: Summer/Winter albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Request for Joni stories [Marian Rulewski ]
So Long/Farewell ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
PPV Party [Steve Dulson ]
RE: So Long/Farewell (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ]
Re: So Long/Farewell [DKasc13293@aol.com]
Re: So Long/Farewell ["Marsha" ]
Re: So Long/Farewell [catman ]
Re: So Long/Farewell [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: So Long/Farewell [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
rude people ruining Joni! [Jennifer Elizabeth Mc Call ]
Re: So Long/Farewell [Scott and Jody ]
PPV Loan? [Richard Stringer-Hye ]
Re: So Long/Farewell ["Kakki" ]
re: So Long/Farewell [Marilune@aol.com]
Re: So Long/Farewell [Jeanne M Whitlock ]
Building Up My Collection [TheHotelNH@aol.com]
Re: rude people ruining Joni! [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Lefty/Righty [Mark-Leon Thorne ]
Re: rude people ruining Joni! [Janet Hess ]
Re: Oh, Sour Grapes [Bmcd@aol.com]
Re: No NY, LA or other initials [Bmcd@aol.com]
Fwd: Meeting Joni [Bmcd@aol.com]
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:18:32 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials
> Now that Joni's Taming The Tiger is in stores, her tour is over, and
>the PPV special has aired, Joni says she needs a break. It's been a wild
>and heavy six weeks, and we've been given us so much recently, so >please
try to not be too disappointed at my news.
Wally,
I'm relieved! I've been wondering how she has been managing it all. Rest,
rest, Joni, you've packed a lot in this year and deserve a long escape.
Kakki
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:54:02 +0100
From: "Juerg Loeffler"
Subject: Re: JONI on vinyl
Hi Simon,
>sorry to report TI was *not* released on vinyl. the last (New) Joni
>Mitchell album released on vinyl was 'NIGHT RIDE HOME', and in very limited
>quantities at that. there was a domestic (US) pressing as well as an
>Import pressing from Germany.
I was just talking to a guy that has a store, specialised in vinyls of the
60s and 70s. He told me he has most of the early Joni LP's on stock,
and there is a chance he might have NRH as well. I'll know in a couple
of days.
Thanks for your precise infos!
Best wishes
- - Juerg -
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:56:14 -0800
From: Susan Chaloner
Subject: Re: NJC - Advocate outing
Bernadette Gallagher wrote:
> The more people ignore the borderlines, the fewer divisions there will > be (I'm an idealist). We're going global, so why all this insularity?
Well, Sacre Bleu en Sutter Home Blush! We are in tune and it didn't even
take 45 minutes ;~) Of course the less photo-realistic we are the easier
that is You appear utterly sane and about as realistic as I
;~D Enjoy your stay on planet jimdle, make your mark before checking out
and remember: "...You can check out any time you like but you can never
leave..."-The Eagles :~D
Meggissimo Hugs,
Susan L.A.
"...Let light hearts remake us..."-JoniM
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:49:11 +0100
From: "Peter Holmstedt"
Subject: SV: Where Are The Reviews?
Thank you so much for all the beautiful reviews!!!
As always, next best thing to being there!!!
Take care,
Peter
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:08:43 -0500
From: "Eric Taylor"
Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials
Wally wrote:
>Joni says she needs a break.
>It's been a wild and heavy six weeks,
>and we've been given us so much recently,
>so please try to not be too disappointed at my news.
>Joni has canceled her upcoming press and promotional
>appearances, including the Charlie Rose Show,
>VH-1 Storytellers, a David Letterman show,
>and a photo shoot with famed photographer, Annie Liebowitz.
I must say THANK YOU for giving us the best show on the planet, Joni,
and SO look forward to seeing & hearing how you capture it visually &
musically whilst hold up in your Canadian cabin!
You have fulfilled one of my lifelong goals - to see your unparalleled
work finally appreciated by the common man. I realize this sounds strange,
but then, so do you...
PLEASE don't feel guilty for cancelling PR! Use the contact high to
relax, Joni, and create your heart out!
In my dweems we fwy...
E.T.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:13:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Howard Wright
Subject: NJC: Jaco Pastorius radio program (UK)
Due to my habit of fast digest reading and fast deleting, I can't
remember the name of the person who mentioned this Jaco radio feature
recently. Whoever they were - MANY MANY thanks!
I checked the details and they match what the Sunday Times has for its
Radio listings:
Sat. 14th November
BBC Radio 3
6 pm
"Punk Jazz" - the story of Jaco Pastorius
This will be the first of four half-hour programs. Something for us UK
JMDLers to look forward to!
Howard W.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:22:24 +0100
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: Request for Joni stories
Could someone please relate the knitting story, and the story about her
childhood friend Sharon Bell?
Marian
Vienna
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:24:32 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: Re : Jimmy Webb show
Kakki wrote :
>It was quite a Thursday night for a measly $15 cover!
When he played in Dublin this year, tickets were a measly 10 pounds,
yet it was one of the best concerts I've been to ever. He's obviously not
doing it for the money.
Philip
NP Lucinda Williams - Positively 4th St.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:24:52 -0000
From: "philip"
Subject: RE: This Flight Tonight
This Flight Tonight rocks. The first 2 times I saw her she opened
with this tune, so it's special to me.
Philip
NP River
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:19:51 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album
Well, Cliff Richard would do a great Night Ride Home...the melody and
vocal phrasings would suit him down to a tee.
Jason.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:23:00 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Pick of the Week
Give a listen if you get a chance:
Patricia Barber - Modern Cool
Jazzy, sassy, sensual, and intelligent.
Jerry
np: Burns Sisters - In This World
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:41:56 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: NJC:Gastritis
catman wrote:
> Does anyone know what gastritis is and what causes it?
gastritis,
acute or chronic inflammation of the mucosal
layers of the stomach. Acute gastritis may be
caused by dietary indiscretions, excessive
intake of alcohol, the ingestion of irritating drugs,
food poisoning, and infectious diseases. The
chief symptoms are severe upper abdominal
pain, nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite,
thirst, and diarrhea; the illness develops suddenly
and subsides rapidly. The only treatment
necessary is temporary avoidance of food, followed
by a non irritating diet, sedatives, and
antispasmodics; rarely, fluids by intravenous injection
may be required. The ingestion of corrosives
(acids, alkalis) causes a severe chemical
gastritis, necessitating immediate emptying and
thorough washing of the stomach and then
general supportive care.
The cause of chronic gastritis and the
conditions contributing to its development are not
established; specific irritants as well as
nutritional deficiencies and emotional disturbances
have been implicated. The symptoms are
indefinite and often resemble the manifestations of
functional digestive disorders. The symptoms
may include discomfort, fullness or pain in the
upper abdomen, poor appetite, flatulence,
belching, and variable bowel habits. There is no
specific treatment for chronic gastritis; nor,
indeed, is therapy usually necessary.
Reassurance as to the absence of serious
illness, a bland diet, and tranquilizers to relieve
nervous tension are helpful. Vitamins and other
nutritional supplements are indicated when
the food intake has been poor.
Jerry
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 9:11:13 EST
From: kbarnicle@ensr.com
Subject: Pay Per View Review (JC)
Here is a good review about the ppv special that was in Friday's Boston
Globe.
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MITCHELL MEETS HER PERFECT CROWD
By Matthew Gilbert
Boston Globe Staff
November 6, 1998
[Accompanied by a beautiful picture of JM with the caption "On tonight's
pay-per-view special, perfectionistic singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell
performs in circumstances that seem close to her ideal."]
A perfectionist, Joni Mitchell has fared enormously well in the studio, where
she can carefully gauge each vocal locution, each guitar tuning, each
harmonic flourish. Her best albums, from "Court and Spark", "The Hissing of
Summer lawns", and "Night Ride Home" to the finest "Hejira", are unequaled
among pop singer-songwriters for their instrumental precision and finely
measured phrasing.
But throughout her long career, Mitchell has not been particularly at ease
performing live. She has a reputation for public crankiness, an inability to
roll with the punches of mediocre sound systems and the chaos of crowds who
may not want to sit absolutely still. Anyone who attended her 1983 concert
on the Boston Common will certainly recall her leaving early, noting "I can't
play to people milling around".
Tonight on Pay Per View ($19.95) at 9 PM, fans will have the opportunity to
see Mitchell perform live in circumstances that seem close to her ideal. The
invited audience, circled around Mitchell and her band, is seated comfortably
(and quietly) on couches and stuffed chairs, and she is enclosed in a
collection of monitors that allow her to hear herself clearly. Also, her
beloved paintings hang around the back of the soundstage and in a show set up
in an adjacent gallery. While the special has an infomercial aura at points,
not least of all when she is introduced as the "wonderful, beautiful,
amusing, incredibly interesting, intellectual" Joni Mitchell, it is
nonetheless a fully wonderful two hours of song with moments of drama and
warmth. The special leaves no doubt about the durability of Mitchell's best
material, the classy evolution of her voice, and her ability to surround
herself with superior musicians.
Mitchell starts out with an early hit, "Big Yellow Taxi", but most of the set
list focuses on her more subtle work from the mid 1970's and the 1990s.
After a pair of shaky solo songs, she brings out her band - including her
"magnificent ex-husband", Larry Klein, on bass - and the music warms up
quickly. A beautifully arranged "Harry's House" is driven by some dynamic
drumming by Brian Blade, "Amelia" is distinguished by Greg Leisz's flying
pedal steel guitar, and Klein riffs off the late Jaco Pastorius's studio bass
line for a sweeping "Hejira".
You can see Mitchell loosening up, shimmying at the microphone, and
delivering a fierce version of "Sex Kills", a heartbreaking "The Magdalene
Laundries", and a melodic "Face Lift", from her new album, "Taming the
Tiger". She jokes about her propensity for writing morbid Christmas songs,
and asks the audience for help with the lyrics of the long "Song for Sharon",
which builds to a rousing 'by and by" conclusion. Mitchell seems most
unguarded late in the show, during a trio of songs she didn't write,
including her smokey interpretation of "Trouble Man" and a killer version of
"Comes Love" for which she takes off her sandals. By the end, behind the
credits, she is cozily lounging in the empty seats of the hall, cigarette in
hand, singing "Dreamland" surrounded by her band.
The only odd occurrence is a visit by Graham Nash who presents Mitchell with
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame award he accepted for her last year, when she
chose not to attend the induction ceremony. Did Mitchell, who has clearly
mapped out the whole show, plan this "surprise" presentation, which Nash
makes "on behalf of Jann Wenner and the people at the museum"? "It's perfect
in a garbage bag", she quips coolly about the award's packaging. Then, after
telling a long story about an early encounter with the trap of celebrity, she
launches into a gorgeous version of "Woodstock" that renders the questions of
accolades and honors quite trivial.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:30:15 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Request for Joni stories
- -----Original Message-----
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
To: joni@smoe.org
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 5:27 AM
Subject: Request for Joni stories
>Could someone please relate the knitting story, and the story about her
>childhood friend Sharon Bell?
Hi, Marian and all. (I'll answer private emails today, as I am
behind---sorry folks!).
Here's what Joni said about her two best girlfriends, Sharon Bell and
Geraldine Campbell, with whom she did everything in Saskatoon:
(paraphrased from Atlanta)...as teens, Joni would accompany Sharon to all
the
singing events and contests where Sharon would win. Joni had the
life plan of "marrying a farmer and settling on the plains of Canada
for that kind of life". Sharon was going to be the famous entertainer.
Life surprised them both, as Joni ended up singing for supper and
Sharon is back on the Canadian plains living Joni's original goal.
So she wrote "Song For Sharon Bell"...
Lovely, no?
I also thought it amusing how Joni spoke of her Hejira road trip
across the USA, "driving without a license"...
and now in TTT she makes "love without a license".
That Joni is a real law-breaker! HA!
Marsha, writing catch up 'thank you notes' as we speak....
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:42:17 -0500
From: "Gerry Goss"
Subject: Joni in T.O.
Can anyone tell me the name of the trumpet player
that played at the gig in T.O. a couple of weeks ago?
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:59:56 -0500
From: heather
Subject: Re: (NJC) Re: advices on how to handle info-flow ;-) ;-) ;-)
At 07:01 PM 11/9/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> On Spitzbergen, you see, it's so freezing cold everyone must sit
together very closely in their igloos and use their energy on talking to
each other face to face and so on and this way warming each other up in
stead of the more exciting way of talking to a computer/warming up
computers! Big let-down: off-line conversations all the time and no
computers/no JMDL on Spitzbergen!
>> So therefore it wasn't any point in me staying there, so here I am, back
home again!
>>
>Hey, I've got a great idea to improve the "energy problem" you just
outlined! Again, the answer is quite easy: "nuclear energy". Wouldn't the
Russians be more than happy to replace their inefficient coal mines with a
couple of nuclear reactors from their disbanding arctic submarine fleet --
the reactors being the only things in there still - sort of - working. The
snow will melt down, and Spitsbergen will become the warmest
>place in Europe! German tourists will take home incredible tans from
their arctic cruises, so they won't have to go on a second vacation to the
Mediterranean anymore...No more Germans infesting the Spanish shores, the
Spaniards will be eternally grateful to you guys for this truly European
solidarity, and in return they might even stop looting the arctic oceans
with their illegally-equipped fish-trawlers!
LOL! You guys are tooooo much! Thanks for the laughs!
Heather
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:34:29 -0700
From: Brett Code
Subject: RE: Joni & Bob at MSG 11/1/98
Nice review Bernadette, Thanks.
The Magdalene Laundries were in Ireland, according to Joni, and were active until 1972. I think that some of the passion she expresses in performing that song comes from a feeling of "there but for the grace of god go I", knowing about Little Green and her own experience with society's condemnation of out of wedlock pregnancy.
Brett
np: Sire of Sorrow
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From: Bernadette Gallagher
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 1:04 AM
To: joni@smoe.org
Subject: Joni & Bob at MSG 11/1/98
. She explained Magdalene Laundries to us, but I didn't catch what country she said they were prevalent in. Did anyone else catch that?
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:54:00 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: .Joni's knitting story
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In a message dated 98-11-09 12:57:43 EST, you write:
<< Laura wrote:
>In regards to Joni's knitting story.......did I miss something?
I didn't get it.......can someone fill in my denseness, please?
I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's
statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus:
We are *stardust*
We are golden...
And:
And I dreamed I saw the bombers
Turning into *butterflies* above our nation
Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting
buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. >>
One added thought..."And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden...
perhaps relates to "where is your bright yellow...paradise is vivid, dear,
VIVID...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:11:36 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Fwd: .Joni's knitting story
MHart16164@aol.com wrote:
> I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's
> statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus:
>
> We are *stardust*
> We are golden...
>
> And:
> And I dreamed I saw the bombers
> Turning into *butterflies* above our nation
> Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting
> buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. >>
The image of bombers turning into butterflies was a common, anti-war image of
the time. I remember a couple of short animation pieces from the mid-60's
portraying such.
Jerry
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:38:58 -0600
From: mann@chicagonet.net
Subject: Extra Musician Magazine Copies Here!
If anyone still hasn't found a copy of the December 1998
Musician Magazine with the Joni article...I have a few
extras. You can have them for the price I paid + shipping.
Email privately for details.
Laura
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:30 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: More Joni Musings
Just got my photos back from the Atlanta adventure. I like
the flash shots I got of Joni getting her flowers and cake
onstage and blowing out the candles on Saturday night.
I like my cheek to cheek mugshot with this beautiful woman
taken in the lounge of the Ritzpire Hotel (where we were
drinking for diversion and toasting Joni and her 55 years
on the planet).
As I recall some of the remarks Joni made in concert and
afterward with our group, I would like to share some more
impressions here...
When she appeared for the first song in her green velvet and
silk ensemble, I was struck at how much she resembled her
30 year younger self on that Dick Cavett show appearance.
It was mesmerizing and very surreal to me. I can't quite
verbalize what this was like to have seen her video almost
a year ago for the first time on VH-1 of that 1968 appearance,
and hoping I would finally get to see her perform in person, then be
blessed to have witnessed a sixth performance in this span of
six months, and seeing her float back in time Saturday night in
the culmination of my hopes last year with her looking like that
Joni on the video thirty years ago.
I know Joni was feeling nostalgic on November 7, 1998. She
chose as late as her sound check that day to perform
Both Sides, Now as her final song of the final show of this
tour, the year and day she turned 55. She said later to us
that she had not performed that song in 30 years. Yes,
Joni was feeling nostalgic...
She also said onstage after she acknowledged our "Happy
Birthday, Joni!" yell, that she had not ever worked on her
birthday, but then questioned herself and said, "Oh, yes,
I did a show once on my birthday", and as we know it was
in 1995 at The Fez.
I am glad Joni has put a halt to the crazy schedule and
appearances. She looked frail to me in person, and like
she was putting on her best face and efforts, but
was on the verge of exhaustion or maybe collapse.
My impression of her barking back at a heckler was
that she was fed up and tired and reactive to his type
and reactive in a way that indicated she was not feeling
well. I think she did feel badly about her reactions afterward,
by a lot of her remarks and apologies. She has that right
to say what she did, and I hope she knows some of it
probably served to put the subsequent venues on notice
that she would react to idiots, and it most likely did curb
the milling about and Dylan Deadhead rude behaviors.
Joni did not walk off stage this year, nor punish the entire
audience for a few jerks, and for this I am grateful.
I heard Joni say three times to our little group, that
she *enjoyed* the arena performances, after prefacing once
that she had always liked smaller venues. I believed that
this was a bit of a contradiction, but then thought to
myself...well, why wouldn't she say this to us on
her last night of the tour, and help us believe she made
the choice to do arenas with Bob because she really
wanted to, and maybe not as an compromised obligation
to the industry machinery?
Her speech was slower and speaking voice barely
audible in person, so I very much appreciate that she took time with
individuals like us, in spite of how she must have felt.
I will be forever in awe of all she has accomplished and
has maintained and has dealt with in her way this year
as well as all the previous years, and it has been so good
to have access to articles and videos and photos and
historical documents on the internet, and to have
almost real-time information due to our efforts on the list
here. I am grateful that Joni continues to give some of
us a chance to see her perform, who were restricted
in earlier years from doing so. I hope she recuperates
rapidly and feels strong enough to do the media blitz
necessary for record sales and obligations. And I like
to believe that Joni does appreciate individuals thanking
her for her creativity expression she has shared with
us. She is that kind of sociable and ego-driven person.
Otherwise she would not record, appear onstage,
nor be out in hotel bars on the road instead of using
room service every night and exposing herself to
our germs.
Marsha
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:03 +0100
From: Lisa Molin
Subject: B-day Card
Just wanted to congratulate Wally et al for creating a wonderful bday card
for Joni. I'll bet she was very pleasantly surprised and delighted with
its arrival. Way to go guys (and gals).
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:34:42 -0800
From: Julie Blau
Subject: Re: PPV
Diana Duncan wrote:
> I can't believe my daughter, Chelsea, watched it with me. Of course
> she
> kept falling asleep. It wasn't that she didn't like it. She said it
> was so
> pretty and mellow that she just kept drifting off. At least that's
> better
> than she usually talks about the woman who's song she's named after.
My 2-year old son wandered into the room during the show and said
softly, almost to himself, "I like this music."
I must be doing something right...
Julie
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:28:39 -0800
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials
Wally Breese wrote:
> our favorite songwriter is exhausted and a bit sick from the
> rigors of the recent tour and wants to go up into the Canadian backbush
> and rest for a few weeks.
Actually we're all probably a little bit overloaded after a string of
"Joniphile heaven". Rest Joni. We know you had a wonderful, albeit tiring,
experience on the road. We'll see you again soon enough I'm sure. You know
the saying. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
- --
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:01:45 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Joni Musings
In a message dated 11/10/98 1:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, docnurse@voy.net
writes:
<< She said later to us
that she had not performed that song in 30 years. >>
Though that is an exaggeration since it is on the Miles of Ailes album and so
it's probably more like 20 years. It just may have SEEMED like 30 to her.
Paul I
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:10:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Medric Faulkner
Subject: Birthday Card/Atlanta
Just wanted to say that the birthday card was very tastefully done and
that I enjoyed meeting my fellow list members in Atlanta. It was a
really special concert. Pearl, your pictures are beautiful.
Medric Faulkner
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:12:50 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #471
From: "4Ikes" <4ikes@paonline.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:12:55 -0800
How about some info on obtaining some video tapes of her SIQUOMBness?
Any out there???? Jeff
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:11:25 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: CBC special
From: "Gerald Hillman"
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:40:29 -0600
I second what you said about too many commercials and it being too
choppy. And, yes, the bit at the end when the screen squished over; I
screamed at the tv. I've always considered myself a supporter of CBC,
but ya, they pissed me off last night, too. "Event of the year" (Shania.
I first thought it was Janet Jackson). Ya right CBC. More like; milking
the big commercial cow! I thought I had taped it, but no, I screwed up,
and after about a month of anticipation, didn't get it on tape. I was
glad I watched it, and I'm hoping there will be a commercially available
tape. I'd like to see the whole event uninterrupted. I want to hear her
sing Comes Love, again. That was the best.
Gerald
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:12:06 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:12:49 +0000
From: David Wright
Howard Wright wrote:
>Mark already mentioned Hejira as a winter album - can anyone >*not* agree
with this ?!?!?
Like Lori, who expressed my thoughts so well, I say yes.
To me, travel, and especially long road trips (and their motel rooms) --
the road which runs all through this album -- means summer....long, long
scorching days with grass and sky rolling endlessly swiftly before you, and
nothing to do but turn your gaze inward, upon yourself. As Joni does here.
At least this is my instinctive sense of this album.
I remember family car trips many summers as a child (and even this past
summer), as my parents do from when they were children. And summer is when
I discovered the album, and always my season for intense feeling and
introspection.
Paul I. wrote:
>I think you miss the point, Lori.
>It seems to me that Joni flees the "snow gathering like bolts of >lace"
and the
>"white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon" >and even
in "Song for Sharon Bell" when she is iceskating >chasing Golden Reggie.
In Song for Sharon (how long has "Bell" been attached? is that what Joni
calls it now?) Joni is *remembering* skating after Golden Reggie ("...and
*when* I went skating...", "...it *was* white lace I was chasin'...").
There is no indication that this skating takes place within the time frame
of the album.
I do agree about the *song* Hejira being a very winter song.
I missed celebrating Joni's birthday, which was also my one year
anniversary here, with the list, but please let me thank all of you and
Joni for many great experiences and for all you have come to mean to me.
Be well,
- --David
NP: Luka Bloom, _Turf_ ("I dreamed I stopped the sunrise that day/stilled
the breeze that carried you away...")
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:23:22 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums
In a message dated 11/10/98 3:22:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com
writes:
<<
In Song for Sharon (how long has "Bell" been attached? >>
As of Saturday night, when Joni introduced it as "Song for Sharon Bell."
Paul I
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:10:57 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: Request for Joni stories
>>> "Marsha" 11/11 12:30 am >>>
Here's what Joni said about her two best girlfriends, Sharon Bell and
Geraldine Campbell, with whom she did everything in Saskatoon.
I just had to reply. Have any of heard Neil's song "Sweet Joni"? Iwas wondering if it was Joni but Saskatoon clinched it.
NP: NY Boston, Mass 01/21/71
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:36:58 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: So Long/Farewell
Dear Jmdlers,
Ill be 41 years old tomorrow, and this month marks my two years on this
list. I have come to the conclusion that it is time for me to move on.
It was especially exciting to be a part of the jmdl during this past month
while Joni toured, and I've made some wonderful friends on this list, but
it's time for me to redirect my energies in other areas.
I also have made the decision to go off line for a bit, so if you want to
stay in touch, you'll have to snail-mail me or phone me. (I'm actually
moving the computer into my daughter's room after writing this... Maybe
it's a little impulsive, but this seems like a good time if any. Already,
I feel free!)
-Julie Z. Webb Ciou!
HEJIRA
I'm traveling in some vehicle
I'm sitting in some cafe
A defector from the petty wars
That shell shock love away
There's comfort in melancholy
When there's no need to explain
It's just as natural as the weather
In this moody sky today
In our possessive coupling
So much could not be expressed
So now I'm returning to myself
These things that you and I suppressed
I see something of myself in everyone
Just at this moment of the world
As snow gathers like bolts of lace
Waltzing on a ballroom girl
You know it never has been easy
Whether you do or you do not resign
Whether you travel the breadth of extremities
Or stick to some straighter line
Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock
They're either going to thaw out or freeze
Listen...
Strains of Benny Goodman
Coming thru' the snow and the pinewood trees
I'm porous with travel fever
But you know I'm so glad to be on my own
Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger
Can set up trembling in my bones
I know - no one's going to show me everything
We all come and go unknown
Each so deep and superficial
Between the forceps and the stone
Well I looked at the granite markers
Those tribute to finality - to eternity
And then I looked at myself here
Chicken scratching for my immortality
In the church they light the candles
And the wax rolls down like tears
There's the hope and the hopelessness
I've witnessed thirty years
We're only particles of change I know, I know
Orbiting around the sun
But how can I have that point of view
When I'm always bound and tied to someone
White flags of winter chimneys
Waving truce against the moon
In the mirrors of a modern bank
From the window of a hotel room
I'm traveling in some vehicle
I'm sitting in some cafe
A defector from the petty wars
Until love sucks me back that way
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:03:13 -0700
From: Steve Dulson
Subject: PPV Party
Just had to check in with a quick note - had a great
PPV party - Jill and Paige Tamada brought a cake that
had to be seen - and tasted - to be believed. KenC
and SteveJ made a wonderful hearty stew, Kakki brought
bread and spreads, Michele and I supplied the deviiled
eggs and sausage rolls. There was wine in abundance.
I thought the show was great - it brought back such
memories - but - a big boohoo - no "Slouching"!
Ok, Ok, I know you're all wondering :) - Jill T is the
blonde woman in a light outfit that you see over
Larry's left shoulder in numerous shots - I'm next
to her in a dark vest over a lighter shirt, and KenC
is next to me, often looking contemplative, chin in
hand.
SteveJ shows up at the end, part of the standing
ovation. There's a couple of shots that I *know*
Kakki is in - going to watch it again tonight.
Gotta run...
##############################################################
Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com
"The Tinker's Own"
http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html
"Southern California Dulcimer Heritage"
http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:04:45 -0500
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: So Long/Farewell (NJC)
Julie writes:
<<>>
Happy Birthday!
<<>>
:-(
We'll miss you.
<<>>
We'll see you back here in time... :-)
Please send me your snail mail address before you're gone entirely.
Bon voyage, Julie.
- --Michael
NP: Ruben Blades, "Decisiones"
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:32:58 EST
From: DKasc13293@aol.com
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Julie has been an important asset to the popularity of this list. She's a
master at starting threads with emotional and intellectual merit. It is with
sincere regret that on the eve of her birthday, I must say good-bye.
Her generosity in hosting the gathering in the Spring, not only revolutionized
this internet phenomenon, but brought a clearer understanding of who's who
here. Again, Julie was a trail blazer.
It is most unfortunate that someone with such enthusiasm and strength of
character has decided to leave. I wish her well.
Duane
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:59:41 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Julie wrote:
> I also have made the decision to go off line for a bit, so if you want to
> stay in touch, you'll have to snail-mail me or phone me.
Damn, Julie.
I just told Joni about our list and she wants my old computer
and those personal introductory lessons I offered on it's use last year.
Just when things are getting good around here you pull the plug!
Happy Birthday and glad we have other forms of smoke signals
besides bytes and bleeps.
Love,
Marsha
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:10:09 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Goodbye Julie. Take care of yourself. Happy Birthday.
You will be missed.
love
colin
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:34:28 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Dear Julie,
If you're still on, retrieving last minute emails before unplugging, please
know that I will miss you dearly. As Duane said, you energized this place,
started the whole JoniFest phenomena, and offered us wonderful insights into
everything from Joni to movie jargon.
I'm glad to call you my friend, so for me, it's not a "good-bye", it's...talk
to ya on the horn.
Love ya,
Terry
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 01:44:34 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
On 11/10/98 6:36PM, "Julie Z. Webb" wrote:
Dear Jmdlers,
I'll be 41 years old tomorrow
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, and MANY MANY more!!!
but it's time for me to redirect my energies in other areas.
I really understand this, it's VERY time consuming!
-Julie Z. Webb Ciou!
I know - no one's going to show me everything
We all come and go unknown
Each so deep and superficial
Between the forceps and the stone
ain't that the truth :-)
Dear Julie,
Hope you do lots of wonderful things with the new found time after
unplugging your PC.
Thanks for welcoming me and 30 other "strangers" to your home last spring,
it was great to meet you face to face and hang out with a warm friendly
group of people who love Joni as much as I do!
And thanks for being a stimulating, positive force/voice on this list!
I'll miss you!!
Huggs,
-Kenny
who hopes you plug in the PC every once in a while, say hi, and maybe even
give us a little movie review :-)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:14:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Jennifer Elizabeth Mc Call
Subject: rude people ruining Joni!
I have just finished reading the final report on Wally's page
about Joni's last concert in Atlanta on Saturday, and I'm infuriated! I
can't stand what these people have done (the people who have said mean
things to Joni to get her off stage so Bob Dylan could play)! It makes me
so angry that there are so many rude and childish individuals in this
world! I can not believe that poor Joni had to deal with them at almost
every concert she gave on this tour! Joni is my idol and I ablsolutely
love her music, but I can also respect other people's opinions. However,
these f***k heads had no justification for acting the way they did. I
don't understand how they were raised with such a lack of courtesy and
respect. Joni does not deserve this! She is a magnificent person who
works hard to create her music. I am so angry, I hope to God that she
does not take these people too seriously (although I don't know how she
couldn't because they seemed to be at every concert). I don't want her to
doubt herself and stop touring! I'm only in college, I was born too late
to see her concerts in the 60's, these are all I have! Although if I know
Joni like I think I do, she'll just shrug this off and continue to kick
ass with her music ( or just have a cigerette! ;-) )!!!!!!
- -Jennifer McCall
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:14:16 -0600
From: Scott and Jody
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Julie,
I finally get back on line only to hear that you're leaving. Wait, I thought turning
40 made us act impulsive and crazy. You're turning 41, all that should be behind you
;-) I respect your reasons for going. Man, I'm gonna miss you like crazy. I love
what Duane wrote:
> Her generosity in hosting the gathering in the Spring, not only revolutionized
> this internet phenomenon, but brought a clearer understanding of who's who
> here. Again, Julie was a trail blazer.
>
That you were, and that you will always be, a trail blazer in what ever venture you
take on.
My Best to You,
Happy Birthday Julie!!
Lot's of Love,
jody
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:23:40 +0600
From: Richard Stringer-Hye
Subject: PPV Loan?
If anyone taped the PPV and would be willing to loan me their copy
I'd happily pay for all expenses. I just couldn't get the addressable
cable box in time to set it all up and it sounds too good to miss.
Email me off the list if you can please.
stringer@library.vanderbilt.edu
Thanks,
Rick
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:46:32 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Julie Zee Webb wrote:
> I also have made the decision to go off line for a bit, so if you want to
>stay in touch, you'll have to snail-mail me or phone me. (I'm actually
>moving the computer into my daughter's room after writing this... Maybe
>it's a little impulsive, but this seems like a good time if any. Already,
>I feel free!)
Don't get too worried, now, everyone. I just spoke to Julie's management
and they said that both she and Joni really need their Hejira at this time.
While she has cancelled all her posts in the short term, she is expected to
be back at some point in the future....
Julie, have a wonderful birthday and tell us all about your time in British
Columbia ;-D when love sucks you back this way!
Love you pal,
Kakki
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:24:25 EST
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: re: So Long/Farewell
bye bye Julie. you will always have a place in that joni section of my heart.
thanks for all the help (griffin and otherwise).
luv-
mariana
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:29:06 -0500
From: Jeanne M Whitlock
Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell
Dear Julie--
I'm really more in the legion of lurkers, but I have to say I've loved
reading and contemplating your great thread ideas, movie reviews and child
rearing perspectives, not to mention the Joni stuff. Happy birthday, and "
my best to you "
Jeanne
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:12:19 EST
From: TheHotelNH@aol.com
Subject: Building Up My Collection
Hi everyone,
I'm new to the list, and have really enjoyed reading your postings/reviews of
the show, etc. I've especially enjoyed the seasonal albums discussions. I'm
not really a new fan of Joni, but am building up my collection. I started
listening to Joni in 1993 when a friend of mine let me borrow Clouds. Of
course, it blew me away. Then, we would get together and she and I would sing
while I'd play the guitar. Our favorites were Little Green, River, and A Case
Of You. Then, in 1994, I was finishing my first year of college when TI was
released. So I associate that album with spring, but really more with night
than with a season. When I'd get moody, I'd take a long night drive and
listen to that cd. It's still one of my favorites. I kept listening to it,
but since the relase of TTT, have really been working on building up the
collection. So far, I have: Clouds, Blue, Court and Spark, Hits, Miles of
Aisles, CMIARS, TI, TTT, and just got Night Ride Home. From what you all have
said about Hejira and HOSL, I really think I'll enjoy them, and am anxious to
purchase them. I know you all enjoy discussion the albums and songs, so if
any of you want to e-mail me with comments, please feel free. Also, if anyone
on here is a Tori Amos or Bjork fan, drop me a line.
Best Wishes,
Chris
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:19:28 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: rude people ruining Joni!
In a message dated 11/10/98 9:17:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jmccall@umich.edu writes:
<< Joni's last concert in Atlanta on Saturday, and I'm infuriated! I
can't stand what these people have done (the people who have said mean
things to Joni to get her off stage so Bob Dylan could play)! It makes me
so angry that there are so many rude and childish individuals in this
world! I can not believe that poor Joni had to deal with them at almost
every concert she gave on this tour! Joni is my idol and I absolutely
love her music, but I can also respect other people's opinions. However,
these f***k heads had no justification for acting the way they did. >>
Jennifer,
When I finally got to meet Joni, my musical godmother, at the Ritz-Carlton
lounge after the Atlanta show, I told her that after the fourth Dylan song,
the crowd interrupted his performance and we took a vote -- the outcome being
6,000 to 1 that Joni come back and play some more!
She smiled and laughed a little at that. I think she appreciated that and
the 10-foot long "Happy Birthday Joni" banner we held up during the concert.
Paul I
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:44:10 +1100 (EST)
From: Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: Lefty/Righty
Lefty here. Hi to all the other lefties and righties; luv ya too.
M-L T
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:06:36 -0500
From: Janet Hess
Subject: Re: rude people ruining Joni!
Just as Joni saw and heard those rude few, she also saw and heard the rest
of us. When Joni walked onto the stage in College Park, I jumped up and
started cheering and clapping. No surprise there: I'd been waiting for
years and years for the chance. What I found amazing was that thousands of
others greeted Joni in the same way. When Joni said, "Thank you,
Washington," I realized that she'd felt all that love waiting to greet her.
Despite the rigors of touring, Joni seemed incredibly happy to be
performing. Here's hoping she has a good time resting, too.
Cheerz,
Janet
I loved the music and the magic of Joni's performance.
At 09:14 PM 11/10/98 -0500, Jennifer wrote:
> Joni does not deserve this! She is a magnificent person who
>works hard to create her music. I am so angry, I hope to God that she
>does not take these people too seriously (although I don't know how she
>couldn't because they seemed to be at every concert). I don't want her to
>doubt herself and stop touring!
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:11:16 EST
From: Bmcd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oh, Sour Grapes
n a message dated 11/9/98 12:53:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bmcd writes:
<< Still, the tone of the above comment, as I perceive it, is somewhat
condescending. >>
It very well may be condescending, because it was in reply to a VERY
condescending post in which Chili was definitely looking down his nose at
those of us who would choose not to wait for a situation that NEVER will
occur.
Paul I
Touche!! You know, I knew that when I sent my post. I was reacting to
some other feelings and chose absolutely the wrong post (your response to what
did indeed feel like a condescending "sour grapes" remark). For some reason I
wanted to throw myself into a lion's den (which probably doesn't really exist
with this group), or I really was reacting to other things. Talk about sour
grapes, I can't have my Joni cake and eat it too!! Oh, sour grapes, because
I've lost my heart.
Karen Mc
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:25:34 EST
From: Bmcd@aol.com
Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials
In a message dated 98-11-10 02:41:33 EST, Wally B wrote:
<< Joni has canceled her upcoming
press and promotional appearances, including the Charlie Rose Show, VH-1
Storytellers, a David Letterman show, and a photo shoot with famed
photographer, Annie Liebowitz. >>
Frankly, as much as I her work, I'm not sure Annie Liebowitz
could top some of the recent photos. Joni in that sexy summer frock, out in a
desert landscape, in MOJO and the straight ahead shot of her sitting on the
couch with her baseball type cap on. Not to mention the photo of her standing
all in black with that great hat on looking oh so sophisticated. Not to
mention the photos in December's Musician, looking sooo happy in a doorway
with her large paint brush in hre bag or holding an un-potted pine over her
head. While Liebowitz relies on set-ups these seem to be more of the moment
and what's available. Just my 5 cents. I will miss terribly another VH-1
special.
Karen Mc
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:57:29 EST
From: Bmcd@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Meeting Joni
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In a message dated 98-11-09 11:13:20 EST, Marsha wrote:
<< So when all the negativistic and "I am so jealous" remarks trickle down
like
lead ballons on our little list here, >>
I know I've been "guilty" of the I'm so envious feelings and comments. Try to
understand that's just a reaction and I think perfectly healthy to feel that
way. I'd rather just admit I feel envious, because I do!, than react in some
other way ( which I did recently) because I didn't feel I could say how
envious I felt. As great and so wonderful it is for any of us to meet joni in
such synchronistic ways, please understand that it's a genuine and longing
feeling to not be able to be part of this. I want so much to just meet joni
(have for so many years), however briefly, to actually say hello and shake her
hand (let alone have her put her hand on mine or around my shoulder), to tell
her briefly how much I admire her. I would tell her that for me, at 41, I see
her as a fabulous role model, and frankly I like seeing an "older" (how
ridiculous) woman so successful, so full of life and creativity. If I had the
resources and the time, believe me I would try and make it happen. I do
appreciate everyone's sharing their joni moments because at least I can live
it vicariously and I feel your happiness coming through. But I still want to
experience it myself. For now, I'll just have to crop a joni photo and a me
photo together ;~)
In short (now that I've said all this), please don't judge anyone for
feeling envious. Again, it's not an unhealthy emotion at all, especially if
allowed to express it without concern for backlash.
P.S. A quick story to tell all of a mini jonifest WombQueen and I had before
she left Colorado. I was so giddy at seeing the CMIARS and NRH videos for the
first time ever. She just rocks out in that kitchen with her broom and her cat
;~D. I'd never seen any of them, except the excerpts on the VH-1 special.
Anyone out there know if copies are available and where? I've checked Twist
and Shout and Tower. I'm guessing if they ever were released they are now out
of distribution. (At least in America)
Yours in jonispirit,
Karen Mc
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