From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #472 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 472 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: No NY, LA or other initials ["Kakki" ] Re: JONI on vinyl ["Juerg Loeffler" ] Re: NJC - Advocate outing [Susan Chaloner ] SV: Where Are The Reviews? ["Peter Holmstedt" ] NJC: Jaco Pastorius radio program (UK) [Howard Wright ] Request for Joni stories [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re : Jimmy Webb show ["philip" ] RE: This Flight Tonight ["philip" ] Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album [Jason Maloney ] Re: NJC:Gastritis [Jerry Notaro ] Pay Per View Review (JC) [kbarnicle@ensr.com] Re: Request for Joni stories ["Marsha" ] Joni in T.O. ["Gerry Goss" ] Re: (NJC) Re: advices on how to handle info-flow ;-) ;-) ;-) [heather ] Fwd: .Joni's knitting story [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Fwd: .Joni's knitting story [Jerry Notaro ] B-day Card [Lisa Molin ] Re: PPV [Julie Blau ] Re: No NY, LA or other initials [Phyliss Ward ] Re: More Joni Musings [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Birthday Card/Atlanta [Medric Faulkner ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #471 [Bounced Message ] Re: CBC special [Bounced Message ] Re: Summer/Winter albums [Bounced Message ] Re: Summer/Winter albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Request for Joni stories [Marian Rulewski ] So Long/Farewell ["Julie Z. Webb" ] PPV Party [Steve Dulson ] RE: So Long/Farewell (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: So Long/Farewell [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: So Long/Farewell ["Marsha" ] Re: So Long/Farewell [catman ] Re: So Long/Farewell [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: So Long/Farewell [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] rude people ruining Joni! [Jennifer Elizabeth Mc Call ] Re: So Long/Farewell [Scott and Jody ] PPV Loan? [Richard Stringer-Hye ] Re: So Long/Farewell ["Kakki" ] re: So Long/Farewell [Marilune@aol.com] Re: So Long/Farewell [Jeanne M Whitlock ] Building Up My Collection [TheHotelNH@aol.com] Re: rude people ruining Joni! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Lefty/Righty [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: rude people ruining Joni! [Janet Hess ] Re: Oh, Sour Grapes [Bmcd@aol.com] Re: No NY, LA or other initials [Bmcd@aol.com] Fwd: Meeting Joni [Bmcd@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:18:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials > Now that Joni's Taming The Tiger is in stores, her tour is over, and >the PPV special has aired, Joni says she needs a break. It's been a wild >and heavy six weeks, and we've been given us so much recently, so >please try to not be too disappointed at my news. Wally, I'm relieved! I've been wondering how she has been managing it all. Rest, rest, Joni, you've packed a lot in this year and deserve a long escape. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:54:02 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: JONI on vinyl Hi Simon, >sorry to report TI was *not* released on vinyl. the last (New) Joni >Mitchell album released on vinyl was 'NIGHT RIDE HOME', and in very limited >quantities at that. there was a domestic (US) pressing as well as an >Import pressing from Germany. I was just talking to a guy that has a store, specialised in vinyls of the 60s and 70s. He told me he has most of the early Joni LP's on stock, and there is a chance he might have NRH as well. I'll know in a couple of days. Thanks for your precise infos! Best wishes - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:56:14 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: NJC - Advocate outing Bernadette Gallagher wrote: > The more people ignore the borderlines, the fewer divisions there will > be (I'm an idealist). We're going global, so why all this insularity? Well, Sacre Bleu en Sutter Home Blush! We are in tune and it didn't even take 45 minutes ;~) Of course the less photo-realistic we are the easier that is You appear utterly sane and about as realistic as I ;~D Enjoy your stay on planet jimdle, make your mark before checking out and remember: "...You can check out any time you like but you can never leave..."-The Eagles :~D Meggissimo Hugs, Susan L.A. "...Let light hearts remake us..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:49:11 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Where Are The Reviews? Thank you so much for all the beautiful reviews!!! As always, next best thing to being there!!! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:08:43 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials Wally wrote: >Joni says she needs a break. >It's been a wild and heavy six weeks, >and we've been given us so much recently, >so please try to not be too disappointed at my news. >Joni has canceled her upcoming press and promotional >appearances, including the Charlie Rose Show, >VH-1 Storytellers, a David Letterman show, >and a photo shoot with famed photographer, Annie Liebowitz. I must say THANK YOU for giving us the best show on the planet, Joni, and SO look forward to seeing & hearing how you capture it visually & musically whilst hold up in your Canadian cabin! You have fulfilled one of my lifelong goals - to see your unparalleled work finally appreciated by the common man. I realize this sounds strange, but then, so do you... PLEASE don't feel guilty for cancelling PR! Use the contact high to relax, Joni, and create your heart out! In my dweems we fwy... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:13:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: Jaco Pastorius radio program (UK) Due to my habit of fast digest reading and fast deleting, I can't remember the name of the person who mentioned this Jaco radio feature recently. Whoever they were - MANY MANY thanks! I checked the details and they match what the Sunday Times has for its Radio listings: Sat. 14th November BBC Radio 3 6 pm "Punk Jazz" - the story of Jaco Pastorius This will be the first of four half-hour programs. Something for us UK JMDLers to look forward to! Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:22:24 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Request for Joni stories Could someone please relate the knitting story, and the story about her childhood friend Sharon Bell? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:24:32 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re : Jimmy Webb show Kakki wrote : >It was quite a Thursday night for a measly $15 cover! When he played in Dublin this year, tickets were a measly 10 pounds, yet it was one of the best concerts I've been to ever. He's obviously not doing it for the money. Philip NP Lucinda Williams - Positively 4th St. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:24:52 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: RE: This Flight Tonight This Flight Tonight rocks. The first 2 times I saw her she opened with this tune, so it's special to me. Philip NP River ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:19:51 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album Well, Cliff Richard would do a great Night Ride Home...the melody and vocal phrasings would suit him down to a tee. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:23:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Pick of the Week Give a listen if you get a chance: Patricia Barber - Modern Cool Jazzy, sassy, sensual, and intelligent. Jerry np: Burns Sisters - In This World ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:41:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC:Gastritis catman wrote: > Does anyone know what gastritis is and what causes it? gastritis, acute or chronic inflammation of the mucosal layers of the stomach. Acute gastritis may be caused by dietary indiscretions, excessive intake of alcohol, the ingestion of irritating drugs, food poisoning, and infectious diseases. The chief symptoms are severe upper abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, thirst, and diarrhea; the illness develops suddenly and subsides rapidly. The only treatment necessary is temporary avoidance of food, followed by a non irritating diet, sedatives, and antispasmodics; rarely, fluids by intravenous injection may be required. The ingestion of corrosives (acids, alkalis) causes a severe chemical gastritis, necessitating immediate emptying and thorough washing of the stomach and then general supportive care. The cause of chronic gastritis and the conditions contributing to its development are not established; specific irritants as well as nutritional deficiencies and emotional disturbances have been implicated. The symptoms are indefinite and often resemble the manifestations of functional digestive disorders. The symptoms may include discomfort, fullness or pain in the upper abdomen, poor appetite, flatulence, belching, and variable bowel habits. There is no specific treatment for chronic gastritis; nor, indeed, is therapy usually necessary. Reassurance as to the absence of serious illness, a bland diet, and tranquilizers to relieve nervous tension are helpful. Vitamins and other nutritional supplements are indicated when the food intake has been poor. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 9:11:13 EST From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: Pay Per View Review (JC) Here is a good review about the ppv special that was in Friday's Boston Globe. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MITCHELL MEETS HER PERFECT CROWD By Matthew Gilbert Boston Globe Staff November 6, 1998 [Accompanied by a beautiful picture of JM with the caption "On tonight's pay-per-view special, perfectionistic singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell performs in circumstances that seem close to her ideal."] A perfectionist, Joni Mitchell has fared enormously well in the studio, where she can carefully gauge each vocal locution, each guitar tuning, each harmonic flourish. Her best albums, from "Court and Spark", "The Hissing of Summer lawns", and "Night Ride Home" to the finest "Hejira", are unequaled among pop singer-songwriters for their instrumental precision and finely measured phrasing. But throughout her long career, Mitchell has not been particularly at ease performing live. She has a reputation for public crankiness, an inability to roll with the punches of mediocre sound systems and the chaos of crowds who may not want to sit absolutely still. Anyone who attended her 1983 concert on the Boston Common will certainly recall her leaving early, noting "I can't play to people milling around". Tonight on Pay Per View ($19.95) at 9 PM, fans will have the opportunity to see Mitchell perform live in circumstances that seem close to her ideal. The invited audience, circled around Mitchell and her band, is seated comfortably (and quietly) on couches and stuffed chairs, and she is enclosed in a collection of monitors that allow her to hear herself clearly. Also, her beloved paintings hang around the back of the soundstage and in a show set up in an adjacent gallery. While the special has an infomercial aura at points, not least of all when she is introduced as the "wonderful, beautiful, amusing, incredibly interesting, intellectual" Joni Mitchell, it is nonetheless a fully wonderful two hours of song with moments of drama and warmth. The special leaves no doubt about the durability of Mitchell's best material, the classy evolution of her voice, and her ability to surround herself with superior musicians. Mitchell starts out with an early hit, "Big Yellow Taxi", but most of the set list focuses on her more subtle work from the mid 1970's and the 1990s. After a pair of shaky solo songs, she brings out her band - including her "magnificent ex-husband", Larry Klein, on bass - and the music warms up quickly. A beautifully arranged "Harry's House" is driven by some dynamic drumming by Brian Blade, "Amelia" is distinguished by Greg Leisz's flying pedal steel guitar, and Klein riffs off the late Jaco Pastorius's studio bass line for a sweeping "Hejira". You can see Mitchell loosening up, shimmying at the microphone, and delivering a fierce version of "Sex Kills", a heartbreaking "The Magdalene Laundries", and a melodic "Face Lift", from her new album, "Taming the Tiger". She jokes about her propensity for writing morbid Christmas songs, and asks the audience for help with the lyrics of the long "Song for Sharon", which builds to a rousing 'by and by" conclusion. Mitchell seems most unguarded late in the show, during a trio of songs she didn't write, including her smokey interpretation of "Trouble Man" and a killer version of "Comes Love" for which she takes off her sandals. By the end, behind the credits, she is cozily lounging in the empty seats of the hall, cigarette in hand, singing "Dreamland" surrounded by her band. The only odd occurrence is a visit by Graham Nash who presents Mitchell with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame award he accepted for her last year, when she chose not to attend the induction ceremony. Did Mitchell, who has clearly mapped out the whole show, plan this "surprise" presentation, which Nash makes "on behalf of Jann Wenner and the people at the museum"? "It's perfect in a garbage bag", she quips coolly about the award's packaging. Then, after telling a long story about an early encounter with the trap of celebrity, she launches into a gorgeous version of "Woodstock" that renders the questions of accolades and honors quite trivial. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:30:15 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Request for Joni stories - -----Original Message----- From: M.Russell@iaea.org To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 5:27 AM Subject: Request for Joni stories >Could someone please relate the knitting story, and the story about her >childhood friend Sharon Bell? Hi, Marian and all. (I'll answer private emails today, as I am behind---sorry folks!). Here's what Joni said about her two best girlfriends, Sharon Bell and Geraldine Campbell, with whom she did everything in Saskatoon: (paraphrased from Atlanta)...as teens, Joni would accompany Sharon to all the singing events and contests where Sharon would win. Joni had the life plan of "marrying a farmer and settling on the plains of Canada for that kind of life". Sharon was going to be the famous entertainer. Life surprised them both, as Joni ended up singing for supper and Sharon is back on the Canadian plains living Joni's original goal. So she wrote "Song For Sharon Bell"... Lovely, no? I also thought it amusing how Joni spoke of her Hejira road trip across the USA, "driving without a license"... and now in TTT she makes "love without a license". That Joni is a real law-breaker! HA! Marsha, writing catch up 'thank you notes' as we speak.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:42:17 -0500 From: "Gerry Goss" Subject: Joni in T.O. Can anyone tell me the name of the trumpet player that played at the gig in T.O. a couple of weeks ago? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:59:56 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: (NJC) Re: advices on how to handle info-flow ;-) ;-) ;-) At 07:01 PM 11/9/98 +0100, you wrote: >> >> On Spitzbergen, you see, it's so freezing cold everyone must sit together very closely in their igloos and use their energy on talking to each other face to face and so on and this way warming each other up in stead of the more exciting way of talking to a computer/warming up computers! Big let-down: off-line conversations all the time and no computers/no JMDL on Spitzbergen! >> So therefore it wasn't any point in me staying there, so here I am, back home again! >> >Hey, I've got a great idea to improve the "energy problem" you just outlined! Again, the answer is quite easy: "nuclear energy". Wouldn't the Russians be more than happy to replace their inefficient coal mines with a couple of nuclear reactors from their disbanding arctic submarine fleet -- the reactors being the only things in there still - sort of - working. The snow will melt down, and Spitsbergen will become the warmest >place in Europe! German tourists will take home incredible tans from their arctic cruises, so they won't have to go on a second vacation to the Mediterranean anymore...No more Germans infesting the Spanish shores, the Spaniards will be eternally grateful to you guys for this truly European solidarity, and in return they might even stop looting the arctic oceans with their illegally-equipped fish-trawlers! LOL! You guys are tooooo much! Thanks for the laughs! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:34:29 -0700 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: Joni & Bob at MSG 11/1/98 Nice review Bernadette, Thanks. The Magdalene Laundries were in Ireland, according to Joni, and were active until 1972. I think that some of the passion she expresses in performing that song comes from a feeling of "there but for the grace of god go I", knowing about Little Green and her own experience with society's condemnation of out of wedlock pregnancy. Brett np: Sire of Sorrow - ---------- From: Bernadette Gallagher Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 1:04 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni & Bob at MSG 11/1/98 . She explained Magdalene Laundries to us, but I didn't catch what country she said they were prevalent in. Did anyone else catch that? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:54:00 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Fwd: .Joni's knitting story This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_910713242_boundary Content-ID: <0_910713242@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_910713242_boundary Content-ID: <0_910713242@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MHart16164@aol.com Return-path: To: jml@amweaver.com Subject: Re: .Joni's knitting story Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:53:40 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-11-09 12:57:43 EST, you write: << Laura wrote: >In regards to Joni's knitting story.......did I miss something? I didn't get it.......can someone fill in my denseness, please? I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus: We are *stardust* We are golden... And: And I dreamed I saw the bombers Turning into *butterflies* above our nation Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. >> One added thought..."And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden... perhaps relates to "where is your bright yellow...paradise is vivid, dear, VIVID... - --part0_910713242_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:11:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fwd: .Joni's knitting story MHart16164@aol.com wrote: > I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's > statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus: > > We are *stardust* > We are golden... > > And: > And I dreamed I saw the bombers > Turning into *butterflies* above our nation > Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting > buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. >> The image of bombers turning into butterflies was a common, anti-war image of the time. I remember a couple of short animation pieces from the mid-60's portraying such. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:38:58 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Extra Musician Magazine Copies Here! If anyone still hasn't found a copy of the December 1998 Musician Magazine with the Joni article...I have a few extras. You can have them for the price I paid + shipping. Email privately for details. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:30 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: More Joni Musings Just got my photos back from the Atlanta adventure. I like the flash shots I got of Joni getting her flowers and cake onstage and blowing out the candles on Saturday night. I like my cheek to cheek mugshot with this beautiful woman taken in the lounge of the Ritzpire Hotel (where we were drinking for diversion and toasting Joni and her 55 years on the planet). As I recall some of the remarks Joni made in concert and afterward with our group, I would like to share some more impressions here... When she appeared for the first song in her green velvet and silk ensemble, I was struck at how much she resembled her 30 year younger self on that Dick Cavett show appearance. It was mesmerizing and very surreal to me. I can't quite verbalize what this was like to have seen her video almost a year ago for the first time on VH-1 of that 1968 appearance, and hoping I would finally get to see her perform in person, then be blessed to have witnessed a sixth performance in this span of six months, and seeing her float back in time Saturday night in the culmination of my hopes last year with her looking like that Joni on the video thirty years ago. I know Joni was feeling nostalgic on November 7, 1998. She chose as late as her sound check that day to perform Both Sides, Now as her final song of the final show of this tour, the year and day she turned 55. She said later to us that she had not performed that song in 30 years. Yes, Joni was feeling nostalgic... She also said onstage after she acknowledged our "Happy Birthday, Joni!" yell, that she had not ever worked on her birthday, but then questioned herself and said, "Oh, yes, I did a show once on my birthday", and as we know it was in 1995 at The Fez. I am glad Joni has put a halt to the crazy schedule and appearances. She looked frail to me in person, and like she was putting on her best face and efforts, but was on the verge of exhaustion or maybe collapse. My impression of her barking back at a heckler was that she was fed up and tired and reactive to his type and reactive in a way that indicated she was not feeling well. I think she did feel badly about her reactions afterward, by a lot of her remarks and apologies. She has that right to say what she did, and I hope she knows some of it probably served to put the subsequent venues on notice that she would react to idiots, and it most likely did curb the milling about and Dylan Deadhead rude behaviors. Joni did not walk off stage this year, nor punish the entire audience for a few jerks, and for this I am grateful. I heard Joni say three times to our little group, that she *enjoyed* the arena performances, after prefacing once that she had always liked smaller venues. I believed that this was a bit of a contradiction, but then thought to myself...well, why wouldn't she say this to us on her last night of the tour, and help us believe she made the choice to do arenas with Bob because she really wanted to, and maybe not as an compromised obligation to the industry machinery? Her speech was slower and speaking voice barely audible in person, so I very much appreciate that she took time with individuals like us, in spite of how she must have felt. I will be forever in awe of all she has accomplished and has maintained and has dealt with in her way this year as well as all the previous years, and it has been so good to have access to articles and videos and photos and historical documents on the internet, and to have almost real-time information due to our efforts on the list here. I am grateful that Joni continues to give some of us a chance to see her perform, who were restricted in earlier years from doing so. I hope she recuperates rapidly and feels strong enough to do the media blitz necessary for record sales and obligations. And I like to believe that Joni does appreciate individuals thanking her for her creativity expression she has shared with us. She is that kind of sociable and ego-driven person. Otherwise she would not record, appear onstage, nor be out in hotel bars on the road instead of using room service every night and exposing herself to our germs. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:03 +0100 From: Lisa Molin Subject: B-day Card Just wanted to congratulate Wally et al for creating a wonderful bday card for Joni. I'll bet she was very pleasantly surprised and delighted with its arrival. Way to go guys (and gals). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:34:42 -0800 From: Julie Blau Subject: Re: PPV Diana Duncan wrote: > I can't believe my daughter, Chelsea, watched it with me. Of course > she > kept falling asleep. It wasn't that she didn't like it. She said it > was so > pretty and mellow that she just kept drifting off. At least that's > better > than she usually talks about the woman who's song she's named after. My 2-year old son wandered into the room during the show and said softly, almost to himself, "I like this music." I must be doing something right... Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:28:39 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials Wally Breese wrote: > our favorite songwriter is exhausted and a bit sick from the > rigors of the recent tour and wants to go up into the Canadian backbush > and rest for a few weeks. Actually we're all probably a little bit overloaded after a string of "Joniphile heaven". Rest Joni. We know you had a wonderful, albeit tiring, experience on the road. We'll see you again soon enough I'm sure. You know the saying. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:01:45 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: More Joni Musings In a message dated 11/10/98 1:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, docnurse@voy.net writes: << She said later to us that she had not performed that song in 30 years. >> Though that is an exaggeration since it is on the Miles of Ailes album and so it's probably more like 20 years. It just may have SEEMED like 30 to her. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Birthday Card/Atlanta Just wanted to say that the birthday card was very tastefully done and that I enjoyed meeting my fellow list members in Atlanta. It was a really special concert. Pearl, your pictures are beautiful. Medric Faulkner _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:12:50 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #471 From: "4Ikes" <4ikes@paonline.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:12:55 -0800 How about some info on obtaining some video tapes of her SIQUOMBness? Any out there???? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:11:25 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: CBC special From: "Gerald Hillman" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:40:29 -0600 I second what you said about too many commercials and it being too choppy. And, yes, the bit at the end when the screen squished over; I screamed at the tv. I've always considered myself a supporter of CBC, but ya, they pissed me off last night, too. "Event of the year" (Shania. I first thought it was Janet Jackson). Ya right CBC. More like; milking the big commercial cow! I thought I had taped it, but no, I screwed up, and after about a month of anticipation, didn't get it on tape. I was glad I watched it, and I'm hoping there will be a commercially available tape. I'd like to see the whole event uninterrupted. I want to hear her sing Comes Love, again. That was the best. Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:12:06 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:12:49 +0000 From: David Wright Howard Wright wrote: >Mark already mentioned Hejira as a winter album - can anyone >*not* agree with this ?!?!? Like Lori, who expressed my thoughts so well, I say yes. To me, travel, and especially long road trips (and their motel rooms) -- the road which runs all through this album -- means summer....long, long scorching days with grass and sky rolling endlessly swiftly before you, and nothing to do but turn your gaze inward, upon yourself. As Joni does here. At least this is my instinctive sense of this album. I remember family car trips many summers as a child (and even this past summer), as my parents do from when they were children. And summer is when I discovered the album, and always my season for intense feeling and introspection. Paul I. wrote: >I think you miss the point, Lori. >It seems to me that Joni flees the "snow gathering like bolts of >lace" and the >"white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon" >and even in "Song for Sharon Bell" when she is iceskating >chasing Golden Reggie. In Song for Sharon (how long has "Bell" been attached? is that what Joni calls it now?) Joni is *remembering* skating after Golden Reggie ("...and *when* I went skating...", "...it *was* white lace I was chasin'..."). There is no indication that this skating takes place within the time frame of the album. I do agree about the *song* Hejira being a very winter song. I missed celebrating Joni's birthday, which was also my one year anniversary here, with the list, but please let me thank all of you and Joni for many great experiences and for all you have come to mean to me. Be well, - --David NP: Luka Bloom, _Turf_ ("I dreamed I stopped the sunrise that day/stilled the breeze that carried you away...") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:23:22 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums In a message dated 11/10/98 3:22:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << In Song for Sharon (how long has "Bell" been attached? >> As of Saturday night, when Joni introduced it as "Song for Sharon Bell." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:10:57 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Re: Request for Joni stories >>> "Marsha" 11/11 12:30 am >>> Here's what Joni said about her two best girlfriends, Sharon Bell and Geraldine Campbell, with whom she did everything in Saskatoon. I just had to reply. Have any of heard Neil's song "Sweet Joni"? Iwas wondering if it was Joni but Saskatoon clinched it. NP: NY Boston, Mass 01/21/71 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:36:58 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: So Long/Farewell Dear Jmdlers, Ill be 41 years old tomorrow, and this month marks my two years on this list. I have come to the conclusion that it is time for me to move on. It was especially exciting to be a part of the jmdl during this past month while Joni toured, and I've made some wonderful friends on this list, but it's time for me to redirect my energies in other areas. I also have made the decision to go off line for a bit, so if you want to stay in touch, you'll have to snail-mail me or phone me. (I'm actually moving the computer into my daughter's room after writing this... Maybe it's a little impulsive, but this seems like a good time if any. Already, I feel free!) -Julie Z. Webb Ciou! HEJIRA I'm traveling in some vehicle I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars That shell shock love away There's comfort in melancholy When there's no need to explain It's just as natural as the weather In this moody sky today In our possessive coupling So much could not be expressed So now I'm returning to myself These things that you and I suppressed I see something of myself in everyone Just at this moment of the world As snow gathers like bolts of lace Waltzing on a ballroom girl You know it never has been easy Whether you do or you do not resign Whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock They're either going to thaw out or freeze Listen... Strains of Benny Goodman Coming thru' the snow and the pinewood trees I'm porous with travel fever But you know I'm so glad to be on my own Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger Can set up trembling in my bones I know - no one's going to show me everything We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone Well I looked at the granite markers Those tribute to finality - to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality In the church they light the candles And the wax rolls down like tears There's the hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed thirty years We're only particles of change I know, I know Orbiting around the sun But how can I have that point of view When I'm always bound and tied to someone White flags of winter chimneys Waving truce against the moon In the mirrors of a modern bank From the window of a hotel room I'm traveling in some vehicle I'm sitting in some cafe A defector from the petty wars Until love sucks me back that way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:03:13 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: PPV Party Just had to check in with a quick note - had a great PPV party - Jill and Paige Tamada brought a cake that had to be seen - and tasted - to be believed. KenC and SteveJ made a wonderful hearty stew, Kakki brought bread and spreads, Michele and I supplied the deviiled eggs and sausage rolls. There was wine in abundance. I thought the show was great - it brought back such memories - but - a big boohoo - no "Slouching"! Ok, Ok, I know you're all wondering :) - Jill T is the blonde woman in a light outfit that you see over Larry's left shoulder in numerous shots - I'm next to her in a dark vest over a lighter shirt, and KenC is next to me, often looking contemplative, chin in hand. SteveJ shows up at the end, part of the standing ovation. There's a couple of shots that I *know* Kakki is in - going to watch it again tonight. Gotta run... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:04:45 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: So Long/Farewell (NJC) Julie writes: <<>> Happy Birthday! <<>> :-( We'll miss you. <<>> We'll see you back here in time... :-) Please send me your snail mail address before you're gone entirely. Bon voyage, Julie. - --Michael NP: Ruben Blades, "Decisiones" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:32:58 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Julie has been an important asset to the popularity of this list. She's a master at starting threads with emotional and intellectual merit. It is with sincere regret that on the eve of her birthday, I must say good-bye. Her generosity in hosting the gathering in the Spring, not only revolutionized this internet phenomenon, but brought a clearer understanding of who's who here. Again, Julie was a trail blazer. It is most unfortunate that someone with such enthusiasm and strength of character has decided to leave. I wish her well. Duane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:59:41 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Julie wrote: > I also have made the decision to go off line for a bit, so if you want to > stay in touch, you'll have to snail-mail me or phone me. Damn, Julie. I just told Joni about our list and she wants my old computer and those personal introductory lessons I offered on it's use last year. Just when things are getting good around here you pull the plug! Happy Birthday and glad we have other forms of smoke signals besides bytes and bleeps. Love, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:10:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Goodbye Julie. Take care of yourself. Happy Birthday. You will be missed. love colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:34:28 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Dear Julie, If you're still on, retrieving last minute emails before unplugging, please know that I will miss you dearly. As Duane said, you energized this place, started the whole JoniFest phenomena, and offered us wonderful insights into everything from Joni to movie jargon. I'm glad to call you my friend, so for me, it's not a "good-bye", it's...talk to ya on the horn. Love ya, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 01:44:34 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell On 11/10/98 6:36PM, "Julie Z. Webb" wrote: Dear Jmdlers, I'll be 41 years old tomorrow HAPPY BIRTHDAY, and MANY MANY more!!! but it's time for me to redirect my energies in other areas. I really understand this, it's VERY time consuming! -Julie Z. Webb Ciou! I know - no one's going to show me everything We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone ain't that the truth :-) Dear Julie, Hope you do lots of wonderful things with the new found time after unplugging your PC. Thanks for welcoming me and 30 other "strangers" to your home last spring, it was great to meet you face to face and hang out with a warm friendly group of people who love Joni as much as I do! And thanks for being a stimulating, positive force/voice on this list! I'll miss you!! Huggs, -Kenny who hopes you plug in the PC every once in a while, say hi, and maybe even give us a little movie review :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Elizabeth Mc Call Subject: rude people ruining Joni! I have just finished reading the final report on Wally's page about Joni's last concert in Atlanta on Saturday, and I'm infuriated! I can't stand what these people have done (the people who have said mean things to Joni to get her off stage so Bob Dylan could play)! It makes me so angry that there are so many rude and childish individuals in this world! I can not believe that poor Joni had to deal with them at almost every concert she gave on this tour! Joni is my idol and I ablsolutely love her music, but I can also respect other people's opinions. However, these f***k heads had no justification for acting the way they did. I don't understand how they were raised with such a lack of courtesy and respect. Joni does not deserve this! She is a magnificent person who works hard to create her music. I am so angry, I hope to God that she does not take these people too seriously (although I don't know how she couldn't because they seemed to be at every concert). I don't want her to doubt herself and stop touring! I'm only in college, I was born too late to see her concerts in the 60's, these are all I have! Although if I know Joni like I think I do, she'll just shrug this off and continue to kick ass with her music ( or just have a cigerette! ;-) )!!!!!! - -Jennifer McCall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:14:16 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Julie, I finally get back on line only to hear that you're leaving. Wait, I thought turning 40 made us act impulsive and crazy. You're turning 41, all that should be behind you ;-) I respect your reasons for going. Man, I'm gonna miss you like crazy. I love what Duane wrote: > Her generosity in hosting the gathering in the Spring, not only revolutionized > this internet phenomenon, but brought a clearer understanding of who's who > here. Again, Julie was a trail blazer. > That you were, and that you will always be, a trail blazer in what ever venture you take on. My Best to You, Happy Birthday Julie!! Lot's of Love, jody > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:23:40 +0600 From: Richard Stringer-Hye Subject: PPV Loan? If anyone taped the PPV and would be willing to loan me their copy I'd happily pay for all expenses. I just couldn't get the addressable cable box in time to set it all up and it sounds too good to miss. Email me off the list if you can please. stringer@library.vanderbilt.edu Thanks, Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:46:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Julie Zee Webb wrote: > I also have made the decision to go off line for a bit, so if you want to >stay in touch, you'll have to snail-mail me or phone me. (I'm actually >moving the computer into my daughter's room after writing this... Maybe >it's a little impulsive, but this seems like a good time if any. Already, >I feel free!) Don't get too worried, now, everyone. I just spoke to Julie's management and they said that both she and Joni really need their Hejira at this time. While she has cancelled all her posts in the short term, she is expected to be back at some point in the future.... Julie, have a wonderful birthday and tell us all about your time in British Columbia ;-D when love sucks you back this way! Love you pal, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:24:25 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: re: So Long/Farewell bye bye Julie. you will always have a place in that joni section of my heart. thanks for all the help (griffin and otherwise). luv- mariana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:29:06 -0500 From: Jeanne M Whitlock Subject: Re: So Long/Farewell Dear Julie-- I'm really more in the legion of lurkers, but I have to say I've loved reading and contemplating your great thread ideas, movie reviews and child rearing perspectives, not to mention the Joni stuff. Happy birthday, and " my best to you " Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:12:19 EST From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: Building Up My Collection Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, and have really enjoyed reading your postings/reviews of the show, etc. I've especially enjoyed the seasonal albums discussions. I'm not really a new fan of Joni, but am building up my collection. I started listening to Joni in 1993 when a friend of mine let me borrow Clouds. Of course, it blew me away. Then, we would get together and she and I would sing while I'd play the guitar. Our favorites were Little Green, River, and A Case Of You. Then, in 1994, I was finishing my first year of college when TI was released. So I associate that album with spring, but really more with night than with a season. When I'd get moody, I'd take a long night drive and listen to that cd. It's still one of my favorites. I kept listening to it, but since the relase of TTT, have really been working on building up the collection. So far, I have: Clouds, Blue, Court and Spark, Hits, Miles of Aisles, CMIARS, TI, TTT, and just got Night Ride Home. From what you all have said about Hejira and HOSL, I really think I'll enjoy them, and am anxious to purchase them. I know you all enjoy discussion the albums and songs, so if any of you want to e-mail me with comments, please feel free. Also, if anyone on here is a Tori Amos or Bjork fan, drop me a line. Best Wishes, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:19:28 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: rude people ruining Joni! In a message dated 11/10/98 9:17:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmccall@umich.edu writes: << Joni's last concert in Atlanta on Saturday, and I'm infuriated! I can't stand what these people have done (the people who have said mean things to Joni to get her off stage so Bob Dylan could play)! It makes me so angry that there are so many rude and childish individuals in this world! I can not believe that poor Joni had to deal with them at almost every concert she gave on this tour! Joni is my idol and I absolutely love her music, but I can also respect other people's opinions. However, these f***k heads had no justification for acting the way they did. >> Jennifer, When I finally got to meet Joni, my musical godmother, at the Ritz-Carlton lounge after the Atlanta show, I told her that after the fourth Dylan song, the crowd interrupted his performance and we took a vote -- the outcome being 6,000 to 1 that Joni come back and play some more! She smiled and laughed a little at that. I think she appreciated that and the 10-foot long "Happy Birthday Joni" banner we held up during the concert. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:44:10 +1100 (EST) From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Lefty/Righty Lefty here. Hi to all the other lefties and righties; luv ya too. M-L T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:06:36 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: rude people ruining Joni! Just as Joni saw and heard those rude few, she also saw and heard the rest of us. When Joni walked onto the stage in College Park, I jumped up and started cheering and clapping. No surprise there: I'd been waiting for years and years for the chance. What I found amazing was that thousands of others greeted Joni in the same way. When Joni said, "Thank you, Washington," I realized that she'd felt all that love waiting to greet her. Despite the rigors of touring, Joni seemed incredibly happy to be performing. Here's hoping she has a good time resting, too. Cheerz, Janet I loved the music and the magic of Joni's performance. At 09:14 PM 11/10/98 -0500, Jennifer wrote: > Joni does not deserve this! She is a magnificent person who >works hard to create her music. I am so angry, I hope to God that she >does not take these people too seriously (although I don't know how she >couldn't because they seemed to be at every concert). I don't want her to >doubt herself and stop touring! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:11:16 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh, Sour Grapes n a message dated 11/9/98 12:53:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bmcd writes: << Still, the tone of the above comment, as I perceive it, is somewhat condescending. >> It very well may be condescending, because it was in reply to a VERY condescending post in which Chili was definitely looking down his nose at those of us who would choose not to wait for a situation that NEVER will occur. Paul I Touche!! You know, I knew that when I sent my post. I was reacting to some other feelings and chose absolutely the wrong post (your response to what did indeed feel like a condescending "sour grapes" remark). For some reason I wanted to throw myself into a lion's den (which probably doesn't really exist with this group), or I really was reacting to other things. Talk about sour grapes, I can't have my Joni cake and eat it too!! Oh, sour grapes, because I've lost my heart. Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:25:34 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: No NY, LA or other initials In a message dated 98-11-10 02:41:33 EST, Wally B wrote: << Joni has canceled her upcoming press and promotional appearances, including the Charlie Rose Show, VH-1 Storytellers, a David Letterman show, and a photo shoot with famed photographer, Annie Liebowitz. >> Frankly, as much as I her work, I'm not sure Annie Liebowitz could top some of the recent photos. Joni in that sexy summer frock, out in a desert landscape, in MOJO and the straight ahead shot of her sitting on the couch with her baseball type cap on. Not to mention the photo of her standing all in black with that great hat on looking oh so sophisticated. Not to mention the photos in December's Musician, looking sooo happy in a doorway with her large paint brush in hre bag or holding an un-potted pine over her head. While Liebowitz relies on set-ups these seem to be more of the moment and what's available. Just my 5 cents. I will miss terribly another VH-1 special. Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:57:29 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Meeting Joni This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_910771049_boundary Content-ID: <0_910771049@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_910771049_boundary Content-ID: <0_910771049@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Bmcd@aol.com Return-path: To: docnurse@voy.net Subject: Re: Meeting Joni Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:57:09 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-11-09 11:13:20 EST, Marsha wrote: << So when all the negativistic and "I am so jealous" remarks trickle down like lead ballons on our little list here, >> I know I've been "guilty" of the I'm so envious feelings and comments. Try to understand that's just a reaction and I think perfectly healthy to feel that way. I'd rather just admit I feel envious, because I do!, than react in some other way ( which I did recently) because I didn't feel I could say how envious I felt. As great and so wonderful it is for any of us to meet joni in such synchronistic ways, please understand that it's a genuine and longing feeling to not be able to be part of this. I want so much to just meet joni (have for so many years), however briefly, to actually say hello and shake her hand (let alone have her put her hand on mine or around my shoulder), to tell her briefly how much I admire her. I would tell her that for me, at 41, I see her as a fabulous role model, and frankly I like seeing an "older" (how ridiculous) woman so successful, so full of life and creativity. If I had the resources and the time, believe me I would try and make it happen. I do appreciate everyone's sharing their joni moments because at least I can live it vicariously and I feel your happiness coming through. But I still want to experience it myself. For now, I'll just have to crop a joni photo and a me photo together ;~) In short (now that I've said all this), please don't judge anyone for feeling envious. Again, it's not an unhealthy emotion at all, especially if allowed to express it without concern for backlash. P.S. A quick story to tell all of a mini jonifest WombQueen and I had before she left Colorado. I was so giddy at seeing the CMIARS and NRH videos for the first time ever. She just rocks out in that kitchen with her broom and her cat ;~D. I'd never seen any of them, except the excerpts on the VH-1 special. Anyone out there know if copies are available and where? I've checked Twist and Shout and Tower. I'm guessing if they ever were released they are now out of distribution. (At least in America) Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc - --part0_910771049_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #472 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?