From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #470 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, November 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 470 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL, the Movie? [JRMCo1@aol.com] njc washingtonsoffun ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Summer/Winter albums [Howard Wright ] Re: Joni on vinyl ["Juerg Loeffler" ] Joni's B-day card [Howard Wright ] Shadows and Light Video ? ["Edwin Harvey" ] Re: Summer/Winter albums [catman ] Re: likes and dislikes (njc) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Atlanta Review [mann@chicagonet.net] PPV fare(Implied JC) ["John M. Lind" ] Re: WashingTonsofFun NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Meeting Joni [Marsha ] Re: Summer/Winter albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni on CBC [bg26140@binghamton.edu] Re: Summer/Winter albums [LRFye@aol.com] JMDL Cookbook Project - Submit your recipes, please! (NJC) [M.Russell@ia] Re: Summer/Winter albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: PPV fare(Implied JC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Summer/Winter albums [catman ] Joni's knitting story ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Atlanta Review/winter albums ["Julie Z. Webb" ] (NJC) Re: advices on how to handle info-flow ;-) ;-) ;-) ["Winfried Hühn"] Re: CBC special ["Eric Taylor" ] Michael Stipe (NJC) [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Atlanta Review [TerryM2442@aol.com] joni on charlie rose! ["Barbara Burst" ] PPV 11/6 Review (SJC) [MHart16164@aol.com] Cookbook technical difficulties [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni's knitting story [Denisongs@aol.com] Re: Emmakitty(NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: Atlanta Review (Conclusion) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Una cassa di te (A Case Of You) [cco@xs4all.nl] SF EXAMINER MAGAZINE JONI ARTICLE [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: lefty/righty thus far (NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] MSG concert in "New York" [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] MD review to come [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Re: joni on charlie rose! [John Lasater ] NJC: Advocate "outing" [Rachel Kramer Bussel ] Re: MD review to come ["Julie Z. Webb" ] (Fwd) Hurricane Relief - How to HELP NOW ["Kim Korman Brown" Subject: njc washingtonsoffun Duane wrote: >I know no-thing. The only real stars I know are the gracious JMDLers milling >around DC this weekend. I keep forgetting that NYC is a real world unto >itself. The performance and evening here were pretty special. The twinkling >lights of Park Avenue beckoning....... Eureka!---how could I have been so confused? Blame it on that darn Ethiopian, honey wine... Yes it was the "twinkling lights of **Park Avenue,**" not the twinkling lights of the concert stage... As in "the firmament of The Big Apple is strung with tungsten stars"...yadda yadda yadda So in the words of Emily Latella, "Nevermind." Julie, with dreamland comin on... (;~> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:50:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Summer/Winter albums Barrylauri@aol.com wrote: > I don't know why but I inherently associate some of her music > with the changing of the seasons. Is that nuts or what?? Mark in Seattle wrote: >Not at all! Hejira is a winter album if ever there was one. Court & >Spark is summer, summer, summer! And Clouds is autumn (along with >Carole King's Tapestry and others) Anyway that's what the are to me. > Oh cool! I've been wanting to talk about this for a while! Many of Joni's albums have really strong associations with the seasons for me. Mark already mentioned Hejira as a winter album - can anyone *not* agree with this ?!?!? I wonder how these associations are created though. It's possible that the time when you first buy or hear the album has an effect - you always think back to this time when you listen again. I think it's probably more to do with the content of the album itself though. The cover of Hejira has some fairly strong winter references, but I would say that the introspection of much of the album gives it the real "wintery" feel. A few albums that have strong associations for me: Summer albums - ------------- DJRD Night Ride Home Court and Spark Mingus (Nothing better than putting Mingus on at decent volume when the weather starts to get uncomfortably hot!) Winter albums - ------------- Hejira Song To A Seagull Autumn albums - ------------- (That's "Fall" for you guys over the pond!) For The Roses Not sure about Hissing or Blue ... they have summery bits and autumnal bits .... Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:39:16 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: Joni on vinyl Hi Michael, >NRH and TI were released on vinyl; no word yet on the availablity >of TTT on vinyl. I had several infos from JMDLers stating the existence of NRH on vinyl. But you are the first one to mention TI as well. Have you actually seen TI on LP? Not that i doubt what you say, but apparantly this LP release seems to be rather unknown, even among JMDLers. Thanks for your input! - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:10:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Joni's B-day card Wally Breese wrote: > Also, yesterday I Express-mailed Joni's birthday card from all of us >in the JM Internet Community. It arrived today at Joni's hotel in >Atlanta, where she checked in this evening. You can view a reproduction >of this year's birthday card at this address: > >http://www.jonimitchell.com/BDCard1198.html The card looks absolutely beautiful! Huge thanks to Wally, Ken Slarty, Michael Paz, Scott Price, Jody Johnson, Paul Ivice, Craig Harris and Jim Johanson for bringing the project to fruition. You guys did a great job! Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 03:30:47 PST From: "Edwin Harvey" Subject: Shadows and Light Video ? Help ! Can anyone out there tell me if the Shadows and Light video still exists ? I've been trying to find it for years, no shops in the UK have been any help, they tell me it's not listed, and friends who've been to the US/Canada haven't been able to find it either. (my VCR will playback NTSC). Can anyone help me ? Edwin. p.s. thanks to Dave Mascall for the BBC R3 Jaco info. if it wasn't for my Jaco obsession I never would have bought Hejira (and subsequently many more Joni CDs). oh yea, I'm a lefty activist..... have you ever tried to buy a left-hand guita ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:12:00 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums Hejira NRH, TI, STAS, aare all dark winter albums for me. the rest are all summery, although WTRF is spring. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 07:23:18 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: likes and dislikes (njc) - ---------- > From: Evian > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: likes and dislikes (njc) > Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 2:48 AM > > Likes: > 11. diet dr. pepper in a can > 12. smoking (contemplating the patch, God help me) > > Dislikes: > 7) Dr. Laura > this was fun, sorry about the extra 10 faves, couldn't stop myself! > Evian > np: still Hejira, over and over.... > Now here are a couple of polls!!! How many JMDLers like Dr. Pepper? I do! How many of us smoke? I do! DR LAURA! What you don't like to be nagged and belittled? I prefer Dr. Joy Browne! Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 08:23:25 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Atlanta Review Subject: Atlanta Review (Conclusion) Part III: Bob, I absolutly LOVED your account of your Joni meeting! My eyes were stuck on my screen....had to pull them off. Didn't want the story to end! Oh, it's all so incredible that all of you got to meet her and have such a great experience. I can't get over how accomodating Joni has been to everyone she's met so far. It is so wonderful to hear these accounts of her making eye contact and taking the time to chat with everyone, signing autographs...taking pictures..realizing how important it is for us "regular" folk/fans to be able to have this part of her. She does seem more and more "real" with each account of a meeting. This really deepens my respect for and admiration of her! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:45:41 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: PPV fare(Implied JC) Dianna Duncan wrote: >BTW, Deb, we ordered Chinese to eat along with Joni my living room. OK, just how in-tune was this dinner synchronicity? How many other PPV get-togethers had a "Chinese Cafe'" besides ours, and Diana's? John~ NP "Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt" DJ Shadow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 10:19:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: WashingTonsofFun NJC Well I wasn't going to publicly post to the whole list about the weekend, but I'm red-faced about Julie's kind words, so a few musings: The list members went way beyond anything I could have possibly imagined. That, for one, should be something Joni should be most proud. The concert was beyond words. We all had great seats thanks to the generosity of various list members. In my case, I thank Alan Friedman, who despite his aggressive desire for a vanilla milkshake at 2 a.m. is a sweet soul. He convinced me to stay for Bob, and he was right. Dylan was spectacular, and I would have foolishly missed something wonderful. You, too, simon, were right. Billy and Roy were so generous to open their home to all we Joni nuts. Surely there could have been an ax murderer among us! And earth mother Julie took right over the pizza ordering to make sure her children were well fed. Sherrie and Cindy took this stranger to their hearts immediately and I gained two lovely new friends. They could not have made me feel more welcome. Even Mister Kitty purred for me. I wish I would have know Meriweather was at the concert. Would have loved to meet him. Friday night at Sherrie and Cindy's was great. I worried some might chat during the PPV. Not to worry. Only the gobbling of the veggie chili was heard. And applause, of course. Got to know Barbara and Patrick even more chatting afterwards. Patrick, lively and charming, as always. And Barbara is one smart lady folks. AND a huge Jeff Buckley fan, like me. Saturday, museums, shows, tooling around with that Southern gent Bob Hanna (sorry boys and girls, he's attached), long time lister Janet Hess was a surprise gift, bright and gentle hearted Michael Yarborough, the chicly styled Julie, and definitely-not-henpecked Jon Webb. The Ethiopian dinner was a communal event arranged by way too knowing beyond his years Michael. Shane is a first class charmer and opened his abode along with Michael to the "out-of-towners." We shared music, including the faboo Rufus Wainwright. Too bad Michael caught me trying to steal away his autographed copy. Julie, Jon, and I chatted endlessly on our Night Ride home to Sherrie and Cindy who had so kindly waited up for this Joni reveler. Then back home to sunny (and warm) St. Pete the next morning, Sherrie never complaining about the early hour. Many phone number and addresses were exchanged, and, I'm sure, life time friendships. Thanks to Julie and Sherrie for insisting I join you all, and I'm glad I turned out to be other than the serious academician you expected!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 11:08:29 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Meeting Joni Kakki wrote: > > Who would have thought when they joined this list that they would ever get > to actually meet Joni as a result of the collective enthusiasm and > connections made here? I know it is really the topping on the proverbial > cake for so many for whom her music means so much in their lives. She is > also an inspiration to many of us on so many levels. I know that feeling of > being able to finally express to her your admiration and gratitude in a > personal way. It is a wonderful experience, plain and simple. This sums up in a most elemental and elegant way what the jmdl has meant to me and meeting over 50 of you these 18 months I have been a part of the Joni community. Thanks, Kakki, for your generosity of spirit AND behavior for the love of Joni's music. We had great moments in Southern California last spring for the first live Joni events, due to all your efforts for us. Thanks, too to: Julie, Terry M, Mark of Seattle, Kenny, Evian, Tom (TwinKing), Marilyn, Karen Mc, Laurie (you should have joined us!), Robert (missed you too for the "moment"), Catherine T, SusanLA C, and Winfried, who have responded positively to our good fortune in Atlanta on Saturday for Joni's Birthday. I think of all the congrats and good wishes and encouragement I have sent out to folks planning events that involve get-togethers with other list members and efforts to see Joni on and off the stage these past months, and I can't help but think "Karma begets Karma"... So when all the negativistic and "I am so jealous" or the "how gauche", or "how silly" remarks trickle down like lead ballons on our little list here, I'll just smile, remember KARMA...listen to Joni's profound words and music, gaze happily at my photo of Joni and me cheek to cheek along with all my valued Joni memorabilia and will quite vocally continue to encourage all the folks here with tried and true love of what Joni Mitchell has done to enrich and enhance our lives for 30 years. Isn't this list great? Isn't she SIQUOMB? Yes. Marsha, traveling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:10:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums In a message dated 11/9/98 9:29:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Hejira NRH, TI, STAS, are all dark winter albums for me. the rest are all summery, although WTRF is spring. >> Night Ride Home is about a ride back on the Fourth of July. Still, I think the rest of it leans more toward autumn than summer or winter. STAS to me is definitely NOT a dark winter album, more like spring or summer. WTRF and For The Roses are spring albums in my ear, though WTRF also could be summer. How could Hissing of Summer Lawns be anything BUT a summer album? "Heat waves on the runway"... "Hissing of Summer Lawns."...there are other references. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: bg26140@binghamton.edu Subject: Joni on CBC Hi all! I saw the CBC airing of the PPV special, it was titled "Painting with Words and Music", not "Comes Love", as (I think) was previously reported. Even though it was only an hour long (less counting commercials), it was so excellent! I loved how, at the beginning, she ran out to the stage after doing the latest touches on her latest painting. It was exciting to see her painting, I thought. Here are the songs that were on the CBC show (this is from memory): Big Yellow Taxi Comes Love Amelia Hejira Sex Kills Why Do Fools Fall in Love? The Magdelene Laundries Woodstock I think I got them right! Hejira was my favorite; I loved her explanation of the how she came upon that name. The "j" always stood out to me too. And I've used that word hundreds of times--I perplexed a high school English teacher when I used it in a poem! And I was happy to see her finally get that trophy from The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It was such a wonderful show; I couldn't tear the smile from my face!! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:31:37 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums Howard Wright's ... : ) > Oh cool! I've been wanting to talk about this for a while! Many of Joni's > albums have really strong associations with the seasons for me. Mark > already mentioned Hejira as a winter album - can anyone *not* agree with > this ?!?!? Yes. "I fell in with some drifters / Cast upon a beach town" Hejira has always been a summer album for me. When I discovered the album (my first Joni) in 1977, I was 18 years old, attending Air Force radar repair school, and spending my first summer away from home playing on the beach in Biloxi, Mississippi -- a place where you could actually find Winn-Dixie cold cuts. "The nets were overflowing / In the Gulf of Mexico" I listened Hejira hundreds of times that summer. Because of the album I met one of my lifelong best friends, who at 22 already had her pilot's license and shared my fascination for Amelia Earhart. "Strange Boy" already reminded me of my brother even though he had not yet joined the Navy -- and no one skateboards through midday sidewalk traffic in winter. "Refuge Of The Roads," one of my favorites in all of life, is definitely a summer song with lyrics like: "I pulled off into a forest / Crickets clicking in the ferns" "In a highway service station / Over the month of June" So even though most of the album cover definitely says "winter," Hejira will always be a summer album for me. And there is always that June bride to consider ... Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:33:24 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: JMDL Cookbook Project - Submit your recipes, please! (NJC) Dear everyone! So far I have received a total of only four recipes!!!! We need to get going on this if it is going to happen. Here is most of what I sent to JMDL last Wednesday: I would like everyone to submit at least one and not more than two recipes - a favorite savory and/or a favorite sweet recipe. The category Savories includes appetizers, main dishes, vegetables, salads, breads, etc., and Sweets includes any kind of dessert, candy, cookies, cakes, etc. Recipes for homemade soap or candles or potpourri or massage oil or ????? may be substituted. If you only have a favorite savory recipe, then don't go to a lot of effort to find a sweet one. I'm asking for one of each in order to avoid a dessert recipe cookbook because Joni seems to be avoiding sweets and probably would not use a cookbook of desserts very often. (In Detroit she mentioned that she had been working out in her room and that sweet things go right to her waistline.) I will use at least one recipe from every person. I will make my choices based on how many recipes I receive and what kinds of recipes are submitted. If I decide not to use one of your recipes, I will inform you. For submitting your recipe(s), please follow these directions: 1. Please use only one email message, even if you are sending more than one recipe. 2. Put JMDL Recipe in the subject line. 3. Address your recipe(s) to m.russell@iaea.org 4. Submit at least one and not more than two recipes. Choose savory over sweet if you have a choice. 5. When choosing your recipe(s), please choose *favorite(s)* - something you have tried and would be willing to eat for the rest of your life if you became stranded on a desert island. 6. If possible, name your recipe(s) after a Joni song title or lyric. Submission deadline is 11:59 p.m. (USA west coast time), Wednesday, November 18. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:42:05 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums In a message dated 11/9/98 11:33:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Mark > already mentioned Hejira as a winter album - can anyone *not* agree with > this ?!?!? Yes. "I fell in with some drifters / Cast upon a beach town" Hejira has always been a summer album for me. When I discovered the album (my first Joni) in 1977, I was 18 years old, attending Air Force radar repair school, and spending my first summer away from home playing on the beach in Biloxi, Mississippi -- a place where you could actually find Winn-Dixie cold cuts. "The nets were overflowing / In the Gulf of Mexico" I listened Hejira hundreds of times that summer. Because of the album I met one of my lifelong best friends, who at 22 already had her pilot's license and shared my fascination for Amelia Earhart. "Strange Boy" already reminded me of my brother even though he had not yet joined the Navy -- and no one skateboards through midday sidewalk traffic in winter. "Refuge Of The Roads," one of my favorites in all of life, is definitely a summer song with lyrics like: "I pulled off into a forest / Crickets clicking in the ferns" "In a highway service station / Over the month of June" So even though most of the album cover definitely says "winter," Hejira will always be a summer album for me. >> I think you miss the point, Lori. It seems to me that Joni flees the "snow gathering like bolts of lace" and the "white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon" and even in "Song for Sharon Bell" when she is iceskating chasing Golden Reggie. So when she is "cast upon the beach town" it is still winter along the Gulf of Mexico. Maybe it's better to describe Hejira as an album that spans all seasons, from the frigid Herjira to the burning desert of Amelia and the springlike renewal in Refuge of the Roads. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:10:28 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: PPV fare(Implied JC) - ---------- > From: John M. Lind > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: PPV fare(Implied JC) > Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 9:45 AM > > Dianna Duncan wrote: > >BTW, Deb, we ordered Chinese to eat along with Joni my living room. > > OK, just how in-tune was this dinner synchronicity? How many other PPV > get-togethers had a "Chinese Cafe'" besides ours, and Diana's? > > John~ > NP "Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt" DJ Shadow We didn't each Chinese but I did drink Irish beer and smoked Canadian cigs! (picked these items up while in Toronto for the concert!). Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:23:31 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Summer/Winter albums I took this thread to be about how we INDIVIDUALLY interpret these albums. i don't give a bugger how anyone else does it, or that NRH was about 4th July or anything else for that matter. what matters is that those albums make ME feel wintry. that is all that counts. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:50:45 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Joni's knitting story Laura wrote: >In regards to Joni's knitting story.......did I miss something? I didn't get it.......can someone fill in my denseness, please? I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus: We are *stardust* We are golden... And: And I dreamed I saw the bombers Turning into *butterflies* above our nation Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. Plus it was just a really good little story. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 05:13:32 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Atlanta Review/winter albums At 10:17 PM 11/8/98 EST, RMuRocks wrote: Bob I loved your description of meeting Joni, especially those lines below: >" We assumed the >same position, she again put her hand, the same hand that played all those >guitar/dulcimer/piano chords, the same hand that wrote all of those words that >have shaped our lives" Regarding the Summer/Winter Album thread: And for me "Hejira" started out as a summer album: July 1976 on Tybee Island near Savannah Georgia. I had just graduated from... Beaver... High School in Pennsylvania, and spent some time at the shore with a friend. (Her father, who was in the military, gave us a place to stay at the beach for a graduation gift.) On the first day, we met two guys in a local band---they were both home from college. Like us, they were away from their sweethearts, so it was a compatible situation----We were all looking for new romantic....opportunities. (18 is too young to be tied down to one.) Our days were spent swimming and sunning while listening to Joni (Hejira) and Michael Franks and maybe Barbara Striesand's "A Star Is Born." On some nights we'd go to clubs to dance while the guys played. Or we'd do the different folk clubs and cafes along the river in Savannah....and it wasn't pouring rain. -JulieZW ps. I remember the guys trying to turn us on to Dr. Demento albums. I'll be sexist and say that appreciating Dr. D in a big way seemed to be gender-based pss. If anyone emailed me on Saturday and Sunday morning, I skipped over a lot of my private emails and posts which were downloaded during my stay in Virginia, and I am unable to retrieve them now that I am back home. So if I haven't responded to your email, it's because I lost them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:01:15 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: (NJC) Re: advices on how to handle info-flow ;-) ;-) ;-) Morten wrote: > well Winfried here comes a better late than never thank you very much for your very very excellent advices on how to get me out of my frustrations in my new life as a JMDL member. > > > > On Spitzbergen, you see, it's so freezing cold everyone must sit together very closely in their igloos and use their energy on talking to each other face to face and so on and this way warming each other up in stead of the more exciting way of talking to a computer/warming up computers! Big let-down: off-line conversations all the time and no computers/no JMDL on Spitzbergen! > So therefore it wasn't any point in me staying there, so here I am, back home again! > > HAHAHA!Oh, I see! Hey, I've got a great idea to improve the "energy problem" you just outlined! Again, the answer is quite easy: "nuclear energy". Wouldn't the Russians be more than happy to replace their inefficient coal mines with a couple of nuclear reactors from their disbanding arctic submarine fleet -- the reactors being the only things in there still - sort of - working. The snow will melt down, and Spitsbergen will become the warmest place in Europe! German tourists will take home incredible tans from their arctic cruises, so they won't have to go on a second vacation to the Mediterranean anymore...No more Germans infesting the Spanish shores, the Spaniards will be eternally grateful to you guys for this truly European solidarity, and in return they might even stop looting the arctic oceans with their illegally-equipped fish-trawlers! I know there might be a few radiation problems for our continent, but hey, lately the weather has been really shitty here... maybe a bit of radiocativity will help this??? And of course, as we all know, the clock is ticking anyway... The highly desirable overall result: Germans saving money, warmer weather temperatures in all of Europe, Spainards left in peace, and more fish to the Norwegians! Just gorgeous! > "Winfried, > who will send the legal consultation bill as soon as he passes his exams" > :-) > > My economy is not at its best these days, so I sure hope it'll be some time before you pass your exams! > I'm sorry Morten. Sure as hell I'll graduate! I'll put in "JUSTICE IS JUST ICE" as the result of my casework and use "JONI MITCHELL NEVER LIES" as a backup argument! Best, Winfried ;-) ;-);-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:03:32 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: CBC special Evian wrote of Joni's CBC special: >I was so disappointed that "facelift" and >"crazy cries of love" were excluded. I watched the Sunday night airing which included Facelift & Crazy Cries (and they were fantastic). Is CBC showing three different edits of the concert? The third airing is this Tuesday from 11pm-1am EST. Comes Love knocked me out! Classiest show I've ever has the pleasure to see! Just wish they would have included Slouching Towards Bethelehem in the Sunday edit. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:05:17 -0600 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Michael Stipe (NJC) Hi, all: back after a brief (but *planned* this time! ;-)) vacation to Virginia! Howard M. wrote (and then Michael Yarbrough answered him): "<<>> This is so weird; I just had this conversation with Jerry Notaro last night. Michael Stipe IS out--he came out in a cover story in (appropriately enough) _Out_ magazine as being sexually attracted to members of both genders. He recently reinforced his outness in an interview w/ MTV re: Matthew Shepard where he said something to the effect that even when pop culture celebs like himself and Ellen DeGeneres achieve acceptance that homophobia still exists in everyday America." Mary now. Actually, by my own definition of the word, Michael Stipe has been "out" for at least four years. Reviews in several mainstream, national newspapers (one of which, I'm pretty sure, was _Newsweek_) from the fall of 1994, coinciding with the release of R.E.M.'s "Monster" album, included quotes from Stipe clearly and unambiguously portraying himself as attracted to members of both genders. Stipe indicated that he didn't wish to categorize his sexuality one way or the other, and made the memorable statement, "labels are for food, not people." He has since, apparently, refused to even "label" himself bisexual. However, he's been quite open during this period of time about where his attractions run, and the implications from the articles I've read are that indeed, he's had relationships with both men and women. And, although I do respect his desire not to label, it also seems clear that, in the common usage of the term, many would consider Stipe bisexual. This brings up something of a pet peeve. I've noticed a tendency among certain individuals identifying as either "gay" or "straight," not to mention certain self-described "gay and lesbian" magazines (_The Advocate_ springs immediately to mind) to regard a person as not having "come out" unless he or she identifies as gay or lesbian *only*--anything else is regarded as a self-delusion, or as having one foot in the closet. And I don't deny that may well be true in some cases. But in others--and I suspect Michael Stipe falls into this group--the person in question may simply have already "come out" as having whatever sexuality resonates most deeply in his or her own life, based on experience and/or reflection. Stipe *is* out. Unfortunately, some wish to deny the validity or even the existence of the identity he has claimed for himself, unlabeled and all. I am NOT saying that either Howard or Michael Y. made statements to this effect. In fact, I much appreciated the fact that they didn't. However, _The Advocate_ has, and about Stipe personally, within the past four years. _The Advocate_ has also, within the same time period, insisted on categorizing musician Michael Fierstein and author Camille Paglia as "gay" and "lesbian" respectively, even though their histories, comments, and refusal to categorize themselves at or near the time of the interview would seem to indicate a somewhat different identity. Off my soapbox now (but cognizant that there may be many shades between even blue and indigo), Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:23:15 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Review In a message dated 11/9/98 9:25:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, mann@chicagonet.net writes: << It is so wonderful to hear these accounts of her making eye contact and taking the time to chat with everyone, signing autographs...taking pictures..realizing how important it is for us "regular" folk/fans to be able to have this part of her. >> Laura, I loved Bob's Adventures In Atlanta as well. I was glued to those reports! I get the feeling, too, that Joni needs to know that we're out here, supporting her work and appreciating her. When we met, she was very sincere and kind. She had more than one opportunity to shrug us off and leave, but she insisted on staying and chatting. She is so sensitive at how her audience responds to her during her concerts, I'd think she'd be thrilled to know that she is, indeed, adored. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:35:29 -0500 From: "Barbara Burst" Subject: joni on charlie rose! This promises to be interesting - probably an hour long interview (if not, a 1/2 hr)! Thursday night on PBS. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:25:51 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: PPV 11/6 Review (SJC) Got the PPV Friday night. I spent a good 1-hour hooking up my stereo to my television, programming my VCR, checking to see if I could record and tape, etc. It all came together and it started. I like the concept of her round stage--symbolizing No., So., E., and W.; mind and spirit; heart and body. I don't remember it right off the top of my head in complete detail but it was a neat idea. Before I embark into a long-winded dissection of her performance, I'll stop myself and say this. Her renditions of "Crazy Cries of Love" and "Happiness is the Best Facelift" were WONDERFUL. I don't think I truly appreciated these songs till Friday--now they are indelible memories for me. "Trouble Man" was great and showed her ability as a singer. And I loved her imitation of Bob Dylan in BYT. She told this story about some lady with "orange hair and British teeth". The last line of the story tells about her (the lady not JM) going out on the balcony and looking at the stars. She says something like "Jesus Christ Jack, look at those stars." When the PPV was over I had a similar sentiment. Jesus Christ, Joni Mitchell is really something. Make you weep, make you laugh, make your synapses scream with connection, make you jump for joy, make you die to share, share, share. - -Michele in New Orleans NP:taped version of Friday's deal, painting with words and music just like this train ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 10:31:28 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Cookbook technical difficulties Marian - I keep getting my recipes returned as undeliverable. Please post your address again. I have m.russell@iaea.org Is this correct? - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:56:01 EST From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's knitting story In a message dated 98-11-09 12:58:22 EST, you write: << I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus: We are *stardust* We are golden... And: And I dreamed I saw the bombers Turning into *butterflies* above our nation Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. >> When I listened to the story, I thought it was a much more recent incident than Woodstock. Maybe I missed a beat too. I think sometimes Joni just likes to tell stories, especially when she can play out the characters. ......D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:35:40 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Emmakitty(NJC) Deb - I am so sorry about your kitty. I love cats (I think a fair number of us here do...am I right, jonifolks?). I hope she was able to be with you for a long happy time. I have lost so many dear friends, both human and feline. It doesn't ever really get any easier. But what was that someone said about, we are not measured by how much we are loved, but how much we love others? (Goodness, I'm pretty sure that's a quote from "The Wizard of Oz"! :) Let me tell you about my kitties - I have Dusty (dilute tabby-calico mix) who is the grande dame of the bunch - 8 years old, as grumpy and nervous as they come. But she loves me unconditionally. Then there's Chewie (lovely medium-longhair Himalan mix) - he is on Life #3, having almost died by poisoning (he ate an Extra-Strength Tylenol), and by a mystery accident (I found him in our backyard one morning with a major concussion and never knew what caused it, but have 2 theories - Horse and Coyote). Chewie is a little "off" now, but it just increases his charm. Sometimes he just seems to forget where he's going. Finally, there's Shadow - the most perfect and beautiful cat (I know, I know, it's all subjective!). She is pure black, and it's not just fur; it's more like some kind of exotic pelt, like a cross between seal and mink. She grew up hanging around with our dog (she would bring Snoop gophers she had caught; Snoop would dutifully eat them...urgh!) so will follow you around like - a dog! I'd told my son if I had a spare million bucks, I'd clone Shadow, so we both could have one of her, since she lived with him at his dad's house. But just got the good news he's moving in with us, so I won't have to do any cat-cloning, after all. Just wanted to let you know someone out there cares. A big hug to you.... Love, Susan Crawford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:02:32 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Review (Conclusion) Dearest Bob - Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:11:45 +0100 (CET) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: Una cassa di te (A Case Of You) Thomas asked for the Italian version of A Case Of You, so here it is. Ciao! Monica Una cassa di te Un attimo prima che il nostro amore svanisse tu dicesti "Sono un punto fermo come la stella polare" E io, "Fermo nell'oscurità Sì, ma dove? Se mi vuoi sono al bar" Sul retro di un sottobicchiere Alla luce azzurrognola dello schermo televisivo Ho disegnato la cartina del Canada Oh, Canada E su di essa due volte il tuo profilo Oh, sei nel mio sangue come vino consacrato Dal gusto aspro e dolce insieme Oh, potrei bermene una cassa, caro E rimarrei ancora in piedi Rimarrei ancora in piedi Oh, sono una pittrice solitaria In una scatola di colori Il diavolo mi fa paura Ma sono attratta da chi non lo teme Ricordo quando mi dicesti, un giorno "L'amore sono anime che si toccano" Be', certo hai toccato la mia Perché sei una parte di me che fluisce al di fuori In questi versi, di tanto in tanto Oh, sei nel mio sangue come vino consacrato Dal gusto aspro e dolce insieme Oh, potrei bermene una cassa, caro E rimarrei ancora in piedi Rimarrei ancora in piedi Ho incontrato una donna Aveva la tua stessa bocca Conosceva la tua vita Sapeva dei tuoi demoni e delle tue gesta Mi disse, "Vai da lui, stai con lui se puoi Ma sii pronta a versare sangue" Ma tu sei nel mio sangue Sei il mio vino consacrato Dal gusto aspro e dolce insieme Oh, potrei bermene una cassa, caro E rimarrei ancora in piedi Rimarrei ancora in piedi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:14:32 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: SF EXAMINER MAGAZINE JONI ARTICLE I contacted a friend at the SF Examiner and managed to weasle 25 copies of the Joni article edition. The pictures alone are worth the entire effort to obtain one. Joni is looking absolutely elegant in he surroundings. If you want one simply send me your address. First come first served. Ashara and Julie Z.Webb are getting copies because they threw the joniparties. That leaves 23. peace. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:17:19 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: lefty/righty thus far (NJC) Hey all- Had anyone seen The View w/ Barbara Walters the other day, in which someone was talking about a book on depression/anxiety treatment called "Goggle Therapy" It explained the theory of anxiety impulses being in either your right or left brain (not sure if handedness played a part or not), and that you can balance it somehow by wearing goggles a few minutes a day with either the left or right side blacked out. Curious about this...but guess what, they never mentioned the author's name! cheers, susan c. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:20:01 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: MSG concert in "New York" I read this every week as if I'm gonna pop off 3,000 miles. Maybe. Anyhow, in the 11/2 issue, the blurb for the 11/1 concert, (go figure what with the dating), it says: ".....Mitchell's got a new, new album, (taming the tiger), that's not quite the masterpiece that one might have hoped for. Still, it's a credible effort despite the occasional, Sting-esque soprano sax squiggle. (MG sez "HUH?") Live, the inspiration for "Tangled Up in Blue" is as earthy, moving and rock-solid as you could want her to be." So, this is new. I never knew that JM was the inspiration for "Tangled Up in Blue." Whadda ya say, gang? MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 98 20:24:51 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni's knitting story Wow, cool that you were able to extract a couple of the things she said and find a place for them in the Woodstock lyrics! But I could swear that she said that the conversation with this woman took place *after* the breakup of the canyon scene (Crosby went this way, Nash went that way, Neil Young and Elliott Roberts went to San Francisco, and she went to British Columbia). In which case she had already written Woodstock, released on Ladies Of The Canyon. Me, I don't have a clue what the *point* of her story was. Not sure there was one, she's a great storyteller and likes telling stories, used to tell stories during her late 60s and early 70s concerts (which I didn't have the pleasure of witnessing but have heard on tape trees). She told a couple of stories at the Gene Autry Museum concert too, not too long ago. Maybe it has something to do with being in an intimate setting, or the fact that she doesn't have the same time restrictions placed on her as she does as part of a multi-act arena show. -Kenny On 11/9/98 "John M. Lind" wrote: I know a few others couldn't figure this out either but I think the woman's statement about the stars was probably the inspiration for the Chorus: We are *stardust* We are golden... And: And I dreamed I saw the bombers Turning into *butterflies* above our nation Probably came from the woman's obsession with her daughter not wanting buterflies on the sleeves of her sweater. Plus it was just a really good little story. John~ Laura wrote: >In regards to Joni's knitting story.......did I miss something? I didn't get it.......can someone fill in my denseness, please? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:24:30 -0500 From: "742 - Ainsworth, Cheryl A" Subject: AJC-comments on the Atlanta Heckler Well the "heckler" made the news today in Atlanta. Unfortunately, we sat 2 rows away from the guy(s) and everytime Joni pointed our way, I cringed. I did not want to be recognized by her as being in that "group". Anyways, the article just about repeats what was in the last JMDL. She abandoned the introduction to The Magdalene Laundries and addressed the interruption, "I'm not Bob" glaring into the darkness. "And you're an idiot and a rude idiot at that!" That's pretty much the way I remember it. Sorry I did not make it to Einstein's. Had to wait on the central heat repair person to come by and check it out. I am jealous of everyone who did see her up close and personal. I was just happy enough to actually be in the same room with her. I was disappointed in my "free" tickets. My seats were behind the speakers (section 9). So instead we moved over to Heckler's Hell. Still in awe from singing Happy Birthday to my fave artist............. Cheryl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:39:42 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: Joni's knitting story At 08:24 PM 11/9/98 GMT, Kenny wrote: >Wow, cool that you were able to extract a couple of the things she said and >find a place for them in the Woodstock lyrics! > >But I could swear that she said that the conversation with this woman took >place *after* the breakup of the canyon scene (Crosby went this way, Nash went >that way, Neil Young and Elliott Roberts went to San Francisco, and she went to >British Columbia). > >In which case she had already written Woodstock, released on Ladies Of The >Canyon. I'll have to re watch the special tonight if I get a chance, but I'm pretty sure that she said she had only written part of the song when she went on the retreat. I agree that she's a great storyteller and I could listen to her spin tales for hours wheather there was a point to any of them or not, but it seems that when she's telling these stories(like the Roy Rodgers stories from the Gene Autry Museum, or Saturday nights story about about her childhood friend Sharon Bell) they have some relevance to the song that follows. I can only assume that the encounter with this woman helped Joni finish her song about not being able to go to the party. She seemed to push "Butterflies" out with a stronger than usual emphasis after the story. John~ NP "Soul Intro/The Chicken" Jaco(B-day concert) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:49:13 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: MD review to come Bill D and I are working on our review of the MD show, and will send it to Wally tomorrow. Julie is going to help us with her list of comments Joni made between songs. I did send Wally a few digital still images of Joni, and Bill and I have more to send him soon for the concert review pages. So stay tuned. Sherrie still not quite awake from our JMDL trip to the Barnside Diner... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: John Lasater Subject: Re: joni on charlie rose! Okay, I'm a little biased (Charlie Rose is a fellow North Carolinian and and fellow Duke alum,) but I am ecstatic about this. He's the perfect "TV personality" to interview Joni- he's equally comfortable talking to artists, opera singers, prime ministers, economists, political pundits, academics, etc. etc. And the Charlie Rose show is unique, because there aren't a lot of talk shows on broadcast TV (in the United States, at least) that actually allow two people to have a conversation. No commercial interruptions, no annoying sitcom stars, no monologues, no Ed MacMahon. (I checked the Charlie Rose web page- there will be other guests, so Joni won't get the full hour. The other people on Thursday are Tom Wolfe and Kenneth Branagh. At least she's in good company) The address is: http://www.pbs.org/charlierose Thanks for the info, Barbara...Can't wait to see this. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Kramer Bussel Subject: NJC: Advocate "outing" I want to say that I agree with Mary P's comments re: being out 100%. The Advocate a few years ago named Madonna "Sissy of the Year" for this statement she made saying "I am not a lesbian..." I don't know the full quote but they basically blasted her for that and said "how can she say she's not a lesbian?" This totally baffled and angered me - so THE ADVOCATE knows Madonna's identity and sexuality better than she does? To me, they were implying that she is a "sissy" and therefore somehow denigrating the movement for gay and lesbian rights and sexual freedom in general, and for someone to be saying that about Madonna totally confounds me and since then, I've been quite wary of purchasing The Advocate because I feel like that magazine has this grand agenda that is all about putting people into categories and NOT about recognizing people's right to make up their own minds. I haven't read it yet, but my best friend keeps quoting it to me, so I'll end this with a paraphrase of what Sandra Bernhard said recently in OUT - "I'm not heterosexual. I'm not homosexual. I'm just sexual." :) Rachel rkb200@is5.nyu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 07:04:12 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: MD review to come At 03:49 PM 11/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >Bill D and I are working on our review of the MD show, and will send it to >Wally tomorrow. Julie is going to help us with her list of comments Joni >made between songs. I did send Wally a few digital still images of Joni, >and Bill and I have more to send him soon for the concert review pages. So >stay tuned. Sherrie, I just reviewed the notes I took of the concert and read Wally's concert review page. (By the way Jmdlers, there are **many** reviews of the concerts on Wally's site which were not posted here. Please check them out. I love reading the various "layman's" reviews, because this is the first time ever, that one is able to read a collection of "joe public's" personal perspective of a concert. One thing though, someone had written that they had seen what looked like Donald standing with Kilauren at the side of the stage. Can anyone confirm this siting? I was fairly observant and did not see anyone who looked like Kilauren. I did see a dead ringer for a young Joni Mitchell, however. There was a young woman, sitting around the 5th row center aisle, who was frequently seen walking around the front of the stage before Joni came on. She was tan, lean and tall with long, light brown hair, parted in the middle. She must have been in her late twenties. She looked far more like Joni than Kilauren does. (Who knows, maybe a relative?) - -Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:20:03 +500 From: "Kim Korman Brown" Subject: (Fwd) Hurricane Relief - How to HELP NOW Hi friends, I hope it's okay to forward this message to you all, it's a way to help with the current disaster in Central America from Hurricane Mitch. I received this email today, and since you all seem to be a caring bunch I thought it wouldn't hurt to forward it on to the list. Thanks, and thanks for all the wonderful episodes of meeting Joni, I love reading everyone's posts. God bless Kim - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Reply-to: enquiries@wfwpusa.org Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:37:19 EST From: WomensFed@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of Peacemakers - Sent by Subject: Hurricane Relief - How to HELP NOW Hurricane Relief - How YOU can really HELP The Women's Federation for World Peace Urges you to Help. Just $5 or $10 can make a huge difference when it all adds up. Make a contribution to the Red Cross Online . . . . read on. PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO READ - Thousands of Lives can be Saved-the worst is not yet over. This past week Hurricane Mitch devastated Central America. At last count over 7,000 people have been confirmed dead. It is possible that the final death toll could even double this number. Catastrophic winds and flooding have left hundreds of thousands of people without homes. There is little food and almost no water to drink. The president of Honduras described the region as a "panorama of death, desolation, and ruin." 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