From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #468 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, November 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 468 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album [Howard Motyl ] Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON ) CONTENT-reply [Bmcd@aol.com] Re: Lefty poll and my list of favorites [Cinemogul@aol.com] Meeting Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: lefty/righty...a new poll (njc) [litrow ] Re: Where Are The Reviews? (SJC) ["Kakki" ] WashingTonsofFun NJC ["Julie Z. Webb" ] RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD ["wallykai" ] Re: WashingTonsofFun NJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] Atlanta Review (Conclusion) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: WashingTonsofFun NJC [DKasc13293@aol.com] SJC: NY/ Boston Tea parties! & HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO The QUOMB/ Back to the Garden [Bounced Message ] Re: Oh, Sour Grapes [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album [Mark-Leon Thorne ] CBC special [Evian ] Neil Finn & Shawn Colvin (NJC) ["Happy The Man" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:01:53 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album Luther Vandross "Man to Man" Bob Mould "A Strange Boy" Michael Y: do you know the Aluminum Group? Personally, I mean? Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:16:28 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Missing Hissing SJC I am Missing the disc for Hissing of Summer Lawns. I have the case and the book but not the CD itself. Panic in Needle Park. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:28:19 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON ) CONTENT-reply In a message dated 98-10-28 17:57:39 EST, you write: << The following was written by our own Sue Cameron (scam): > > Listers, > > We are sitting here at the Townsend Hotel in Birmingham, Michigan after just > meeting up with JONI in the lobby. What can I say, my knees are still > trembling. > , we began to pick up bags and head to the elevator. At that moment the door of > the elevator opened and who was standing in it? SIQUOMB herself, on her >> As I leap around the mailbox, reading different posts, I see that prior to the Atlanta group meeting joni and sharing her birthday cake, the folks in Detroit got to meet joni, getting off an elevator no less! All of this is meant to be, for the devoted fans who have loved her from afar, and for joni who needs to know how much she is appreciated and loved. This is all so great. Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:44:42 EST From: Cinemogul@aol.com Subject: Re: Lefty poll and my list of favorites I, too, am behind in my digest responses, but I assume someone asked for this stuff... First, I'm an unabashed lefty (but wouldn't mind being ambidextrous)!! Secondly, heres my list of likes and dislikes in no particular order: LIKES: 1. My wife 2. Lavender (the scent, NOT the color) 3. Sex 4. Soy milk 5. The seasons 6. The BMW 525i (mea culpa) 7. Hairy men (I'm don't suppose I'm gay... but I think them pretty masculine) 8. Dreaming 9. Travel 10. Both silence and good conversation DISLIKES: 1. Arrogance 2. Cruel politicians 3. Bad breath 4. -isms 5. Being wrongly accused 6. The ubiquitous sound of a TV 7. Spiders 8. One-way, no U-turn streets 9. Power trips 10. Both silence and good conversations that last too long. ...Gee, that was fun! (But why were we limited to 10 of each?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:50:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Meeting Joni Who would have thought when they joined this list that they would ever get to actually meet Joni as a result of the collective enthusiasm and connections made here? I know it is really the topping on the proverbial cake for so many for whom her music means so much in their lives. She is also an inspiration to many of us on so many levels. I know that feeling of being able to finally express to her your admiration and gratitude in a personal way. It is a wonderful experience, plain and simple. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 19:23:31 -0800 From: litrow Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll (njc) Deb Messling wrote: > > curious to see how this group is comprised. how about you? i'm a righty gail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:32:49 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Where Are The Reviews? (SJC) Peter wrote: >Sunday, Nov. 8 is here and I'm longing to hear some >looooong reviews about CPR's SF - show, I can tell you a little about CPR's show in LA last night. It was stupendous and filled with surprises! It was one of the most astounding concerts I have ever attended, too. And I do have Joni content. Marc Cohn opened for them and shortly into his set announced that he had just returned from seeing Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell at Madison Sqaure Garden. There were immediate cheers and applause from the audience (and I betcha it was more for Joni than Bob!). Cohn related how he has always felt irked that he is never remembered for any song other than "Walking in Memphis" - that is, until he saw the posters at MSG which said "Don't Twice Twice" under Dylan's name, and "Big Yellow Taxi" under Joni's name! The audience laughed and cheered again. He is working on a new album and said that he was so lucky to have Graham Nash and Crosby sing harmony on one of the songs. Just then Graham and Crosby walked out and joined Cohn and the piano to sing the song! There was a contingent of deaf people in the audience and there was a sign interpretor off to the left of the stage who was fascinating to watch - her signing was so expressive - almost like a dance. This was billed as "David Crosby and CPR" and what we got was actually a full and separate CPR concert followed by a separate Crosby and Crosby/Nash concert! CPR was incredible, almost better live than their album, which I think is gorgeous. Crosby amazed me - here he is approaching 60 years of age and has lived through 80 lives, yet he still sings with the voice of a teen choirboy! Pevar and Raymond were astounding - it was all fantastic - a big wall of harmonic sound. Later he brought out Graham and they did a few songs together with the band and Graham also played harmonica. Then another surprise - Crosby said he was going to do a song he wrote with one of the best songwriter/vocalists in the world who he had begged to join him tonight. Out walked Phil Collins, who joined him on "Hero". More surprises - Crosby did "Long Time Gone" as a full-sound, all-out blues number. Then he launched into a hard rocking version of "Deja Vu" - it was mindblowing. Just like Joni, he is re-fashioning some of his older songs into amazing new creations. They had been playing for almost 2 1/2 hours when I had to leave to go to the late Jimmy Webb show. I hated to leave and wished I would have stayed until the end. If I had not known that Joni was in Atlanta last night, I would have half-expected for them to bring her out at some point, too! For those who have not seen Crosby and CPR live, I cannot recommend this show highly enough. Kakki NP: Suite Judy Blue Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 21:30:21 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: WashingTonsofFun NJC College Park Concert Weekend Musings: 1. A special thanks to Roy and Billeee, (friends of Bill Dollinger,) for hosting the Pre-concert party at their cozy home 2. I so enjoyed spending time with Sherrie Good's sister, her hometown friends and Alan Friedman. 3. Couldn't believe the small thrill I got waiting, after Joni's performance, outside of Cole Field House locker room with only three other people, and seeing Joni and her band exit into a limo van. She flashed a quick papal wave our way. No, didn't get to meet her, but it was fun shouting out our admiration and support. (She **is** shorter than she appears on stage.) 4. It was a special treat hearing our Jmdler-Duane-- describing to me what it was like for him to be the grand recipient of a **backstage pass** from Wally for the Madison Square Garden concert. I loved hearing him dish about seeing the stars and musicians cross his path...including Siquomb. Way to go Duane K! 5. Having a chance to spend some time with long-time, jmdler list member,Jerry Notaro, was one of the highlights of my weekend! He is an intelligent, warm, open person, with a playful nature and wonderful sense of humor. He is a rennaisance man, a jack of all trades, a stimulating conversationalist...he knows more about popular culture and Joni's music than anyone I have ever met. 6. Another thank you to both Cindy and Sherrie for paying to get the pay-per-view service installed, so we could gather at their home to watch the special. 7. It was also great to meet Janet Hess, who joined all of us for the "Afer-Van Gogh-Ethiopian dinner. (Leaning on that "Ethiopian wall", I felt like I had 17 glasses of Rhine Wine," but it was only a small glass of Ethiopian Honey Wine that did me in.....Don't ask me what I think about ejira bread---but I will tell you that Jon said, "now, you be polite". (M.Y., the parody is all yours.) 8. And finally, a special thank you to Michael Yarbrough for having the psychic vision to score Van Gogh tickets, (months in advance,) within two days of the date that Joni was later scheduled to perform at the College Park concert. This enabled my husband and I to have a wonderful four days in DC without children...(The Chuck Close exhibit turned out to be quite interesting.) It was great seeing all of you! -Julie ZWebb She taps her glass with an emery file watching three rings in the sun, the golden dive, the fatted flake It's all a dream she has awake ... they've come for jmdl fun and Autumn sun to do up Washington. Dream on Dream on Dream on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:00:10 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD - -----Original Message----- De: Mark Domyancich Para: wallykai ; joni@smoe.org Fecha: domingo 8 de noviembre de 1998 16:39 Asunto: RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD >Didn't she diss Joni in some interview? > >Mark >NP-Edie Brickell-When The Lights Go Down > >At 6:58 PM -0300 11/8/98, wallykai wrote: >>And it's also Rickie Lee Jones'!!! Come on, she too deserves a weird minor >>chord, don't you think? Yeah, she said Joni didn't walk on the jazz side of life. But then Joni sent a letter to the editor that made Rickie look like some kind of bug, so they're even. So Happy Birthday, Rickie!!! I don't hold your venom against you. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 03:05:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC People you'd like to know I would like to know joni as a person and a few others. I definately would not like to know Jessica Fletcher-all her friends end up dead. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:14:34 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: WashingTonsofFun NJC In a message dated 11/8/98 9:37:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << 4. It was a special treat hearing our Jmdler-Duane-- describing to me what it was like for him to be the grand recipient of a **backstage pass** from Wally for the Madison Square Garden concert. >> Doooaanne, you've been holding out on us. C'mon sweetie, tell us! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:17:11 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Atlanta Review (Conclusion) Part III: Where our heros and heroines have a Joni experience of the third kind (Meeting, talking, autographs, and otherwise hopelessly lost in a goo-goo eyed experience): So, where was I? Aaah yes, we leave Alexander Coliseum and make our way to our car - Yippee, it wasn't towed, and we pointed ourselves toward the Ritz Carlton, heading north on Buckhead on Peachtree. Well let me tell you, that Peachtree street goes on forever! I swear we drove through a time zone or two, got lost again (the third time, and let me say that we didn't really get lost, but if you miss a turn in Atlanta, you're supremely screwed; you have to drive and turn and drive and turn to get back to where you want to be. We make it to the Ritz, find the parking deck, and leave our humble Saturn with the likes of the Mercedes and Bulgemobiles to go in and find Marsha. Luckily, as those of you who know Marsha know, she ain't too hard to find in a crowd ;-). We do a walk through of the bar(s) and believe me, I'm feeling pretty out of place with my denim shirt and baggy white pants surrounded by tuxes and cleavage and guys who probably made more last week than I've made so far this decade. Anyway, I go to the front desk and have them ring "Miss Doyle" in Room 437. As it turns out, Marsha and John/Hairfarmer and Allison are up there eating pork rinds and drinking Dr. Peppers and otherwise hanging out and talking about the show. Next thing we know, Paul calls and says he's spotted Larry Klein & Chris Botti in the Lounge, so we're off to jockey for position for a Joni sighting. We get in the elevator, and who's in there but Greg Liesz. Hey, I'll be honest and say that I didn't recognize him; Joni's presence was so awesome onstage I found it hard to focus on the other players...we strike up a conversation with Greg, and what's he gonna do as he's stuck on this elevator with us - but I must say he was impressed when we started to praise him for parts of the show like "I loved it when you and Chris traded during "Free Man in Paris" - this way he knew we weren't bullshitting with him, even though we kind of were. So by the time the elevator lands, we're like old drinking buddies and Marsha is (of course) posing with him as are all of us. He wanted to know all of our names, and shook everyone's hand, and moved on. OK, 1 degree of seperation, and counting down... By now, it's probably 11:30 or so, there's no tables to be found, and we can see where Klein, Liesz, and Botti are sitting and making room for others to join them (!!!!!!) I made a point to tell Larry how much I enjoyed the show and also that the Kyle Eastwood disc was one of my favorites of the year, which it is. He appreciated it and shook my hand with a dead fish handshake, must have been weak from working those bass strings for an hour and a half. Eventually, some of the well-dressed fossils and the young and restless headed to their rooms and freed up some chairs and tables. By now, Paul, Pearl, Marsha, Val & I, John and Allison were all together, looking at the digital pictures Pearl took (and they were breathtaking), trying to get some service (although I don't know why I was so anxious to pay 6$ for a Budweiser), and otherwise making small talk with our eyes glued to the empty chair in the midst of Joni's band. Their waiter shows up with a bottle of champagne, and they start drinking. Finally, here comes Joni, and sits down, and Marsha breaks into full Den Mother mode, telling us what we needed to do and how we needed not to be obnoxious fans. And when Marsha speaks, it's best to obey! But holy cow, the 8-year old kid inside of you is aching to pop over there and start fawning and all that. Next, Marsha executes Step 2 - she orders another bottle of the champagne they were drinking and has it sent to them...Marsha, what a woman of heart and mind...so they pop the cork, which means they're going to stay awhile. The waiter mentions to them that the group in the corner has treated them to it, and Joni turns to look. I was facing her, acknowledged that yes, we are the party, checked to make sure I wasn't drooling on myself, and we offered some polite "golf applause". It was soon time for step 3. We waited until Marsha led the way with her bag containing her vinyl STAS and Hejira, and she Paul & I approached her. The next period of time was incredible - what others have said about conversation with Joni is absolutely true - everything else in the room disappears, she looks at you eye to eye with no pretension, she talks to you as if you're her best friend and she knows that you'll be interested in what she's saying, and of course you are. Now I thought I would be all wobbly- kneed, but far from it! Joni is instantly so vulnerable in conversation; she remained seated so I knelt down to talk to her, I guess out of respect like in "The King & I" - I felt like my head shouldn't be higher than hers. We talked about her inclusion of "Both Sides Now" and also thanked her for "Song For Sharon". She said that she enjoyed the show very much, she was glad that the jerk who harassed her was booted out, and she also said that MSG and Detroit shows were great for her. She said she was sorry to have to play in Coliseums and that it would be great to play in small clubs again, but of course she couldn't go back to doing that now. We talked about her next project, and she said that the band was anxious to get on it as soon as possible, and she agreed that it would be great to just cut loose & sing. I told her how I always thought Blue Motel Room was such a great torch song, she commented that it was, but the America/Russia lyric wouldn't play anymore. I mentioned the lyric she was talking about back to her to confirm that the song and album was indeed a part of my bloodstream, then she started signing autographs - she signed Marsha's albums, she signed Paul's Joni picture that Pearl had given all of us (a treasure, Pearl!) and all I had was my ticket stub for her to sign. I told her that she didn't have to write "To Bob" on it because I already knew who I was, I just wanted her signature. She smiled at me and signed, again in such a sweet way. John presented her with a photo of a painting he had done of her, and she really enjoyed that, too. Then came the pictures. Marsha posed beside Joni seated in the big easy chair, then Paul, then me. When I got by her side, I put my arm around her, and she placed her right hand on top of mine. Her touch was so warm and gentle! Pearl took the picture, and then Joni said "We better take another one - - that one might not come out" Imagine that, I mean think that whole thing through....JONI wanted a bonus picture taken for MY benefit!!! We assumed the same position, she again put her hand, the same hand that played all those guitar/dulcimer/piano chords, the same hand that wrote all of those words that have shaped our lives, on top of my hand and Pearl took the photo. Believe me Pearl, I have done some serious praying today that those pictures come out!!! I told her that she was a sweetheart, and that if she wanted to dance, I would love to dance with her. She smiled a smile I'll never get out of my mind, and said "Maybe after another drink or two"... Well, what can be said after all that? She sincerely ENJOYED the time we spent with her, she wasn't patronizing us, and we knew she wouldn't! I am even deeper in love, awe, and appreciation of her. I'm tearing up now as I remember this experience - talk amongst yourselves for a moment... Val & I made it back to our hotel at 2:00 and crashed in the bed - Valerie went right to sleep, and I want to say right here that she wins some kind of award for this whole trip - she's only a marginal fan, and she was the ultimate good sport - she took my autographed ticket stub and put it in her purse for safekeeping. I couldn't sleep, as tired as I was, not after what I had just experienced! Did it REALLY happen? How could I post it without leaving stuff out? How could I convey the emotion, the overwhelming sense of completion of meeting my JMDL friends of spirit, of seeing Joni in concert, of meeting her, talking to her, holding her hand? Well my friends, it did happen. And all those stuffed shirts in the Ritz who didn't know when the greatest Renaissance artist of our time, perhaps of ALL time, walked right by them, well they can have all their money, their designer clothes, their stinky cigars, because I have something now that they'll NEVER have and never know. Sour Grapes, cause I lost my heart... Thus ends my tale - I probably have written more today than I have since January when I joined this crazy thing. And believe me, I don't intend on taking up this much bandwidth for a while... I do have to say a BIG thanks to Marsha, who sort of "arranged" the Joni Meet, Steve who arranged the dinner at Einstein's, Wally and Les who of course made it all possible, and oh yeah, Joni, thanks forever to you and God Bless you! Bob M. in SC, signing off... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:23:49 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: WashingTonsofFun NJC In a message dated 11/8/98 10:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Doooaanne, you've been holding out on us. C'mon sweetie, tell us! >> I know no-thing. The only real stars I know are the gracious JMDLers milling around DC this weekend. I keep forgetting that NYC is a real world unto itself. The performance and evening here were pretty special. The twinkling lights of Park Avenue beckoning....... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:20:31 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: SJC: NY/ Boston Tea parties! & HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO The QUOMB/ Back to the Garden From: Chilihead2@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 14:30:38 EST Hi, I am still putting together a list of people who want to get together for JMDL parties in the NY and Boston areas. If you would like to be on this list, please e-mail directly and I will add your name. HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONI! LOVE THE CHILIS PS. I have started planting my healing garden. I am putting bulbs and plants and trees in the the ground with copper name tags and "prayers". It ain't easy with this back but it's something I need to do; however slowly. Wally you are in this garden Be well! May the whole list be well and happy. I guess that's the Irish in me. A strong belief in the power of language. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:23:05 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Wow(my review of Atlanta) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 03:03:45 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Sorry for the bounce but I'm posting from home because I don't want to wait until Monday at work... Well the show was killer, I mean I was a little disapointed at no "DJRD"... at least until "Both Sides Now". Yes, Marsha wasn't halucinating, we really were treated to "BSN" as the final encore(unless of course you count 'Happy Birthday'). The rest of the show was good as well, of course. My other highlights being "Free Man in Paris", "Song For Sharon" and "Hejira". The trumpet work on "Hejira" was especially moving. I have to admit I was truly amazed by "BSN". So many people have posted lately about wishing she would do this song again(as well as others) and I had thought several times recently that the only way I would ever hear her sing this song was If she were still perfoming in twenty years. I kept thinking about the A&E profile where she talks about hearing Mabel Mercer sing the song in her seventies and how "You really have to be in your seventies, reflecting back on a life's experiance to sing that song". Well, I'd say 55 years has been plenty for her to aquire the history she needed. You really can *feel* true experiance in a great singer's voice and boy was it there tonight. Our one heckler got his just deserts and was removed by security to the tune of a cheer slowly rippling out through the crowd in the middle of "Magdalene Laundries". Joni was shaken by his outburst just enough to not finish the story of the song's inspiration, but boy did it fuel the performance. She focused her attention towards the "Rude Idiot"'s direction for the entire song, very passionate. "Trouble Man" was also geared for the moron in question. She really tore it up. You could just feel how completely sick of these nincompoops she is. Finally getting to meet some more(we met Paz in New Orleans on our honeymoon) fellow listers was also real treat. Marsha joined Allison and I at a friend's home to watch the PPV, which was excellent. Her giddiness in pointing everyone in the audiance out to us was wonderful and very sweet I thought. The M&G at Einsteins before the show could have been better as we were an hour late due to Atlanta traffic(these people could make Mary Poppins go balistic), sorry all. We did at least get to meet Bob(rmurocks) and his wife Val, as well as Pearl, Paul and Maurice(?). Then of course, as I'm sure Marsha has posted by now, we all got to wish Joan happy birthday and do the "fan" bit in the hotel lounge. I did my best to keep it short-and-sweet. I told her I didn't want to be a pest(she seemed to appreciate that with a small grain of salt like she was wondering if it was a precursor to an hour-and-a-half's worth of gushing), wished her happy birthday and gave her a photo of the portrait I painted of her in '93. She looked at the photo and said "it's very strong" then offered me her hand old fashioned style, the same way I shake(even as much of an "equalist" as I try to be in terms of race, gender, religion, etc I find that I still will hold my hand to shake a woman's differently than a man's. Underhand, like you would take a lady's hand to kiss in an old movie). Then she thanked me and handed the picture to the band to look at as I left her to the others. I didn't get a chance to talk to any of the band(other than Greg, riding down in the elevator), but Allison got to talk drumming, setup stories and "road-lag" with Brian. She was a profesional roadie for a while after college. We did get a scoop from the band, if it hasn't already been posted, that they're going to shoot an episode of VH1's "Storytellers" series in L.A. next week. Get busy with those phone calls, Kakki... Anyway, this is far more long-winded than I intended and I'm probably just babling by now so... Goodnight. John~ PS: I hope you didn't have any trouble getting another room key, Marsh. Sorry I ran off with yours. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:32:56 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh, Sour Grapes Someone, not Terry, wrote in a message dated 11/8/98 10:33:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, : << We'd like to just sit down and have a quiet dinner with her, as if she were a friend we hadn't seen in a long time. >> Since you aren't and you hadn't,.this scenario seems so unrealistic that I take it to mean you never want to meet and talk with Joni. Average people, let alone celebrities, don't sit down with strangers for a quiet "Dinner with Andre." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:12:46 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album Here's my two cents' worth... David Bowie doing, Both Sides Now :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:29:47 -0800 From: bamm_bamm@juno.com (Liz Johnson) Subject: lefty/righty thus far (NJC) lefty/righty thus far (NJC) Just when I get caught up on the digests...seems I'm behind again! This lefty/righty thing is cool though and I hope that the stats are still even for both hands. I'm a lefty! I do just about everything left-handed - except use scissors, I can cut right or left, and mouse, I'm equally as good right or left. As far as athletics go, throw and bat right, shoot with my left hand in basketball, swing the golf clubs from the left side (by chance, are there any other left handed female golfers out there? As far as I know, I'm the only one on the face of the earth) and use a left handed hockey stick - which goes against most hockey standards - usually, one holds the end of the stick in his/her dominant hand and uses the weaker hand in the middle of the stick. I am very right brained as well, language is not my strong suit. off to read more digests now, Liz #52 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:04:30 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Review (Conclusion) In a message dated 98-11-08 22:20:23 EST, Bob in SC wrote: << How could I post it without leaving stuff out? How could I convey the emotion, the overwhelming sense of completion of meeting my JMDL friends of spirit, of seeing Joni in concert, of meeting her, talking to her, holding her hand? >> Bob, I was smiling through all 3 segments. Especially part 3, which I waited anxiously to read. What a fabulous life experience. I'm glad you could share it with all of us. whenever I try to talk to people about joni they zone out after 5 seconds. I'm so enthusiastic, and they're not. that's frustrating. So, I'm glad we're here to be happy for you, and you're there to tell this wonderful story that again makes me ache with longing for such a meeting someday. Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:10:54 EST From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: Fwd: READ THIS (Matthew Shepard) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_910591854_boundary Content-ID: <0_910591854@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 11/8/98 9:28:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, Pirate310@aol.com writes: << this is so important: >> >>Please read this: its not a silly forward, this is a serious petition: >> >> On October 6, outside Laramie, Wyoming, Matthew Shepard, a >> 21-year-old University of Wyoming student, was tortured, beaten, >> and left tied to a pole in the freezing cold. Six days later, he died of >> his wounds in Poudre Valley Hospital, Fort Collins, Colorado. Matthew >>was >> murdered because he was gay and because he was a prominent and >>charismatic >> member of the gay and lesbian student group on campus. Right now Wyoming >> >> and Colorado have no anti-hate crime laws; the state legislature in >> Wyoming has voted down anti-bias bills for each of the past three years. >> There is an effort in Wyoming and Colorado to enact Matthew Shepard >> Laws, which would strongly punish the perpetrators of hate crimes. This >> petition demands the broadening of federal anti-hate crime law. >> >> Opening Statement: >> "As a religious voice, we state strongly that violence on the basis >> of sexual orientation, race or gender is wrong, is evil, is >> reprehensible." >> -John Buehren, President of The Unitarian Universalist >> Association, speaks for Unitarian Universalists but his words are >> reflected in the hearts of people everywhere who believe we must speak >> out, take action against, and condemn hate crimes in all their ugly >>forms. >> >> A resolution follows: >> WHEREAS: We affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of >> every person; and >> >> WHEREAS: We commend the efforts of those individuals who dedicate >> their lives to causes of social justice and human rights; and >> >> WHEREAS: We support actions that protect the individual's rights of >> life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. >> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, That we hereby urge the passage of The >> Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HCPA), H.R.3081 and S.1529 >> >> (The Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HCPA), H.R.3081 and S.1529, would >> amend current federal law (which permits federal prosecution of a hate >> crime only if the crime was motivated by bias based on religion, >>national >> origin, or color ) to include real or perceived sexual orientation, >> gender, and disability so the FBI would be able to investigate and >> prosecute violent hate crimes against gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. >> Under this bill, hate crimes that cause death or bodily injury >> because of prejudice can be investigated federally, regardless of >>whether >> the victim was exercising a federally protected right. >> >> The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of >> support for this change to the current law is by making our voices >> heard. >> Please add your name to this petition and forward it to friends who >> believe in what it stands for. The petition will then be forwarded >> to the President of The United States; the Vice President of the >> United States; and our United States Senators and House Members. >> >> Petition Management: >> 1. This petition is being passed around the Internet. Please add >> your name to it so that we can have tougher laws against all hate >> crimes. Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to me. Please >>sign >> and forward to others to sign. This is being forwarded to several >> people at once to add their names. It will not matter if many people >> receive the same list as the names are being managed. >> >> 2. If you print out this petition for signing please email the >> listing of names with locations to the email address: >>AllRunique@aol.com >> (an email address created to receive this petition) Include a note to >> indicate you have a hand-signed petition and include the number of >> names listed. >> >> 3. If you happen to be the 100th, 150th, 200th, 250th, etc. signer >> of this petition, please forward a copy to the email address: >> AllRunique@aol.com >> >> 4. If you sign, please pass it on to others. If not, please do not >> kill it: send it on to the email address: AllRunique@aol.com >> >> Thank You >> Leslie Palmer >> >> I can not stay silent, my outrage and compassion will not allow. >> ------------------------------------------- >> Note: It is preferable that you Select the entirety of this letter >> and then COPY it into a new outgoing message, add your name to the >> bottom of the list, then send it on. Or if option is available, do a >>SEND >> AGAIN >> >> Sign Here: >> 1.) Leslie Palmer, Jacksonville, FL >> 2.) Stephen Silverman, South Burlington, VT >> 3.) Wayne Arnason >> 4.) Theo Diamond, Charlottesville, Va >> 5.) Sasha Kopf, Northampton, MA / Princeton, NJ >> 6.) Geoffrey B. Metz, Tufts Univ., Medford, MA >> 7.) Emily Sporl, Tufts University, Medford, MA >> 8.) Tai Collins, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 9.) Danielle Lazarin, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 10.) Priscilla Morales, Yale University, New Haven, CT >> 11.) Lydia Pace, Yale University, New Haven, CT >> 12.) Julia Goren, Williams College, Williamstown, MA >> 13.) Jamie Waxman, Columbia University >> 14.) Rebecca Zimmerman, Columbia University, NY >> 15.) Ariel Meyerstein, Columbia University, NY >> 16.) Naomi Richman, Goucher College, MD >> 17.) Aaron Finkel, University of Missouri-Columbia, MO >> 18.) Sally Noedel, Truman State University, Kirksville, MO >> 19.) Kim Cook, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 20.) Molly Mitchell, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 21.) Jeremy Schwab, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 22.) Aaron Manheim, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 23.) Rebecca pronsky, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 24.) Rebecca Milburn, Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT >> 25.) Christene DeJong, Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT >> 26.) Lisa Lapman, Wellesley College, Wellesley, MA >> 27.) Julia Sussner, Wellesley College, MA >> 28.) Adrian Dellecker, Trinity College, CT >> 29.) Sarah Mullen, Trinity College, CT >> 30.) Phu Thai, University of Rhode Island, Kingston, RI >> 31.) Leigh Phillips, Wheaton College, Norton, MA >> 32.) Patricia Barrett, Anna Maria College, Paxton, MA >> 33.) Mary Anna Fox, University of Colorado, Boulder, CO >> 34.) Meredith Wahl, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO >> 35.) Hannah Long, Grand Junction, CO >> 36:) Dana Yentis, Clive, Iowa >> 37) Susan Pultman, St. Louis, MO >> 38) Lindsey Morgan, St. Louis, MO >> 39) Brian Elliot, St. Louis, MO >> 40) Carrie Frank, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH >> 41) Samantha Bruett, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH >> 42) Allison Ford, New York University, New York, NY >> 43) Kristen Gast, New York University, New York, NY 44) Marianne Williams, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 45) Chris Cochran, Birmingham, AL - --part0_910591854_boundary Content-ID: <0_910591854@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (rly-zb03.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.3]) by air-zb04.mail.aol.com (v51.16) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Nov 1998 00:28:38 -0500 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA25483; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA00381; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA00367; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: Pirate310@aol.com Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA06932; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:15:11 -0500 Received: from Pirate310@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id MRKZa02244; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:11:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5c3534cd.36467998@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:11:52 EST To: Bagelpork@usa.net, coulsonc@student.lansing.cc.mi.us, nelsond2673@uni.edu, gwalker@nwu.edu, Reservoir7@aol.com, lwilliam@mail.smith.edu, spalding769@hotmail.com, pat hodges , matthew-lindsey@utulsa.edu, zoomzip@students.johnco.cc.ks.us, rac324s@mail.smsu.edu, rbzarate@midway.uchicago.edu, robertw@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, shunnes@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, srew@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, starobbie@hotmail.com, TPikazzo33@aol.com, mikewhy@iglou.com, tori-boot@world.std.com Subject: READ THIS (Matthew Shepard) X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Sender: tori-boot-approval@world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: Pirate310@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit this is so important: >> >>Please read this: its not a silly forward, this is a serious petition: >> >> On October 6, outside Laramie, Wyoming, Matthew Shepard, a >> 21-year-old University of Wyoming student, was tortured, beaten, >> and left tied to a pole in the freezing cold. Six days later, he died of >> his wounds in Poudre Valley Hospital, Fort Collins, Colorado. Matthew >>was >> murdered because he was gay and because he was a prominent and >>charismatic >> member of the gay and lesbian student group on campus. Right now Wyoming >> >> and Colorado have no anti-hate crime laws; the state legislature in >> Wyoming has voted down anti-bias bills for each of the past three years. >> There is an effort in Wyoming and Colorado to enact Matthew Shepard >> Laws, which would strongly punish the perpetrators of hate crimes. This >> petition demands the broadening of federal anti-hate crime law. >> >> Opening Statement: >> "As a religious voice, we state strongly that violence on the basis >> of sexual orientation, race or gender is wrong, is evil, is >> reprehensible." >> -John Buehren, President of The Unitarian Universalist >> Association, speaks for Unitarian Universalists but his words are >> reflected in the hearts of people everywhere who believe we must speak >> out, take action against, and condemn hate crimes in all their ugly >>forms. >> >> A resolution follows: >> WHEREAS: We affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of >> every person; and >> >> WHEREAS: We commend the efforts of those individuals who dedicate >> their lives to causes of social justice and human rights; and >> >> WHEREAS: We support actions that protect the individual's rights of >> life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. >> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, That we hereby urge the passage of The >> Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HCPA), H.R.3081 and S.1529 >> >> (The Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HCPA), H.R.3081 and S.1529, would >> amend current federal law (which permits federal prosecution of a hate >> crime only if the crime was motivated by bias based on religion, >>national >> origin, or color ) to include real or perceived sexual orientation, >> gender, and disability so the FBI would be able to investigate and >> prosecute violent hate crimes against gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. >> Under this bill, hate crimes that cause death or bodily injury >> because of prejudice can be investigated federally, regardless of >>whether >> the victim was exercising a federally protected right. >> >> The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of >> support for this change to the current law is by making our voices >> heard. >> Please add your name to this petition and forward it to friends who >> believe in what it stands for. The petition will then be forwarded >> to the President of The United States; the Vice President of the >> United States; and our United States Senators and House Members. >> >> Petition Management: >> 1. This petition is being passed around the Internet. Please add >> your name to it so that we can have tougher laws against all hate >> crimes. Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to me. Please >>sign >> and forward to others to sign. This is being forwarded to several >> people at once to add their names. It will not matter if many people >> receive the same list as the names are being managed. >> >> 2. If you print out this petition for signing please email the >> listing of names with locations to the email address: >>AllRunique@aol.com >> (an email address created to receive this petition) Include a note to >> indicate you have a hand-signed petition and include the number of >> names listed. >> >> 3. If you happen to be the 100th, 150th, 200th, 250th, etc. signer >> of this petition, please forward a copy to the email address: >> AllRunique@aol.com >> >> 4. If you sign, please pass it on to others. If not, please do not >> kill it: send it on to the email address: AllRunique@aol.com >> >> Thank You >> Leslie Palmer >> >> I can not stay silent, my outrage and compassion will not allow. >> ------------------------------------------- >> Note: It is preferable that you Select the entirety of this letter >> and then COPY it into a new outgoing message, add your name to the >> bottom of the list, then send it on. Or if option is available, do a >>SEND >> AGAIN >> >> Sign Here: >> 1.) Leslie Palmer, Jacksonville, FL >> 2.) Stephen Silverman, South Burlington, VT >> 3.) Wayne Arnason >> 4.) Theo Diamond, Charlottesville, Va >> 5.) Sasha Kopf, Northampton, MA / Princeton, NJ >> 6.) Geoffrey B. Metz, Tufts Univ., Medford, MA >> 7.) Emily Sporl, Tufts University, Medford, MA >> 8.) Tai Collins, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 9.) Danielle Lazarin, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 10.) Priscilla Morales, Yale University, New Haven, CT >> 11.) Lydia Pace, Yale University, New Haven, CT >> 12.) Julia Goren, Williams College, Williamstown, MA >> 13.) Jamie Waxman, Columbia University >> 14.) Rebecca Zimmerman, Columbia University, NY >> 15.) Ariel Meyerstein, Columbia University, NY >> 16.) Naomi Richman, Goucher College, MD >> 17.) Aaron Finkel, University of Missouri-Columbia, MO >> 18.) Sally Noedel, Truman State University, Kirksville, MO >> 19.) Kim Cook, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 20.) Molly Mitchell, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 21.) Jeremy Schwab, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 22.) Aaron Manheim, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 23.) Rebecca pronsky, Oberlin College, Oberlin, OH >> 24.) Rebecca Milburn, Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT >> 25.) Christene DeJong, Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT >> 26.) Lisa Lapman, Wellesley College, Wellesley, MA >> 27.) Julia Sussner, Wellesley College, MA >> 28.) Adrian Dellecker, Trinity College, CT >> 29.) Sarah Mullen, Trinity College, CT >> 30.) Phu Thai, University of Rhode Island, Kingston, RI >> 31.) Leigh Phillips, Wheaton College, Norton, MA >> 32.) Patricia Barrett, Anna Maria College, Paxton, MA >> 33.) Mary Anna Fox, University of Colorado, Boulder, CO >> 34.) Meredith Wahl, University of Missouri, Columbia, MO >> 35.) Hannah Long, Grand Junction, CO >> 36:) Dana Yentis, Clive, Iowa >> 37) Susan Pultman, St. Louis, MO >> 38) Lindsey Morgan, St. Louis, MO >> 39) Brian Elliot, St. Louis, MO >> 40) Carrie Frank, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH >> 41) Samantha Bruett, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH >> 42) Allison Ford, New York University, New York, NY >> 43) Kristen Gast, New York University, New York, NY 44) Marianne Williams, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA - --part0_910591854_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:31:53 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Rob Halford... (NJC) Hello, It's been difficult catching up on over 20 unread digests and just quickly I'd like to say that I am a right handed Libran and how wonderful it has been reading about all the extraordinary Joni contacts... how thrilling for you all! In regards to Rob Halford, as far as I know he's been 'out' for a few years now. In a 'genre' that is predominantly masculine, it's a courageous and strong statement to reveal your sexuality. Perhaps we have Freddie Mercury to thank for his incredible courage and every other person who have the courage to be themselves. It's not easy when you're scared. Rob Halford is an incredible vocalist. I love Judas Priest and highly recommend their music to anybody who is interested in Heavy Metal but especially seventies rock when it wasn't all about wearing make-up, donning a frock and singing about Satanism. I've been a big Metal fan for years as is my husband and it's not all about loud guitars, long hair and black clothing (though I've pretty much described my husband and I)... I enjoy my "big, loud, dumb rock sound" and as well as more intellectually stimulating songs... I feel there's room for both. It's all fun and that's the way it should be. So, although I enjoy slaughtering a goat or two on Samhain and cursing at established religious institutions and even downing a few Vic Bitters and trashing the neighbours porsche... at least I have Joni to enlighten and civilise me :-) Vanessa (Kill 'em all) Thomson n.p. "Great Deceiver" King Crimson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 01:12:31 -0600 From: Evian Subject: CBC special Hi, I am on digest, so I have no idea if this has all been said before. Anyway, about the CBC show... it was great, and it was terrible too. Great in that we got to see Joni, bad in that it was too short and was sooooooo edited. Let me think... they showed her doing "BYT", "Amelia" (which made me get all choked up when I heard it... my wife was rolling her eyes at me), "Hejira", which was perhaps the best number she did, and really made me get ultra emotional, "Sex kills", "Why do fools fall in love", "Woodstock", "Comes Love", "ML".... hmmm, I think there may have been one or two more, but I can't play the tape right now because we are taping something else at the moment. Joni was FANTASTIC!!!! I am so happy y'all got to see her on this tour! AND MEET HER!! She sounds great! And Klein... wow! They sound so great together. However, the show began with Roseanna introducing her, and then started with "BYT", followed by "comes love". The songs were great, but we didn't get much introduction to them, except in a few songs. So, no Joni bantering or whatever. Also, it was littered with commercials. In fact, if I am not mistaken, the second half of the show had a commercial at least every second song, sometimes after one song only! Thus, it was much like watching some compilation tape with a snip of something here, and a snip of something there. Another pisser-offer... at the end, when they were doing that AWESOME "Dreamland" thing, the station cuts in with some ad for some upcoming show, splitting the screen and drowning out the song. AND, the stupid CBC logo was always in the right hand corner of the screen so that I couldn't really make out the crowd. I was going to go to the gallery and put names to faces in the crowd, but the CBC icon kinda ruined that idea. Oh, and to make things even more stupid, every frigging commercial had an ad for the Shania Twain concert they are airing, and called it "event of the year"! HELLO..... Let's put things in perspective... Joni kicks her ass!!!! Finally, I was so disappointed that "facelift" and "crazy cries of love" were excluded. It made no sense. This special is prime marketing, but there are no songs featured from TTT. Of course, I thought maybe "facelift" was edited because of Myrtle, since this thing aired on two stations in S'toon, but come on, at least give us Crazy Cries to promote the album! And you would have thought "Song for Sharon" would be on too, but of course it wasn't. And no "Night Ride Home"!!!! Sinful!!! You could tell how Joni and Klein still connect after the divorce, and I wanted to see this song done live... Ah, well... hopefully the whole thing will be available soon! In any event, it was an awesome experience to see in spite of the editing... oh well, ya get what ya pay for! By the way, Wally mentioned that some people got videos after the PPV special. Was "Good Friends" the one that is somewhat animated??? Will this make it to a tape tree soon??? I have emailed MuchMoreMusic requesting it every week since they have been on, but methinks they are ignoring me! Well, that is my pathetic little review! Cheers, Evian np: "Hejira" -- I am travelling in some vehicle/ I'm sitting in some cafe.... AHHHHH, to hear this live!!!!!!!! P.S. Marsha, I will gladly give you two pieces of birthday cake tomorrow for a bite of Joni's b.d. cake today!! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:21:12 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Neil Finn & Shawn Colvin (NJC) Nice treat since I can't do the Joni concerts. Saw Neil Finn with Shawn Colvin tonight. Awesome concert by two great artist. Neil hammered all his strong pop ballads with and intimate acoustic concert. Shawn joined him for about 7 songs of which were mostly his hits from Crowded House days. Great concert with tight vocals (except one song which was obvious that Shawn did not know well)and Neil's 15 year old son. Peace, Craig NP: My stomach is doing somersaults after another late night meal. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ You had no stones to throw— You came without an axe to grind Did not tow the party line No wonder sight came to the blind You had no stones to throw 'Cause the world can't stand what it cannot own and it can't own You 'cause You did not have a home. —Rich Mullins ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #468 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?