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JMDL Digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 467
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Joni's Birthday Cake [Marsha ]
Re: Joni in Atlanta [Bmcd@aol.com]
Italian JM;German J'wocky [Thomas Ross ]
What more could I ask? [Marsha ]
Joni at Georgia Tech [Robert Glenn Plotner ]
Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB ["Winfried Hühn" ]
After tour stuff [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Italian JM;German J'wocky [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Joni in Atlanta [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Harlem In Havana-English to French to English [Mark Domyancich ]
Joni's Poem of the Races [Cinemogul@aol.com]
Oh, Sour Grapes [TerryM2442@aol.com]
(NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD ["Barbara L" ]
Joni As Jazz Pianist [Janet Hess ]
Where Are The Reviews? ["Peter Holmstedt" ]
UK Joni special [Gertus@aol.com]
Joni on vinyl [Michael E Hawthorne ]
Re: educating marieve... [AzeemAK@aol.com]
Re: left/right (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com]
How I spent my Weekend (Atlanta Concert Review) [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . [AzeemAK@aol.com]
Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Atlanta Review (continued) [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Joni as a gay man/new tribute album [Howard Motyl ]
RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD [Mark Domyancich ]
Idols [catman ]
Re: The NY Boston group/The best show/ Meeting Joni w/ Kay [Bmcd@aol.com]
Re:Jan Garbarek ["Morten Feiring" ]
Re:advices on how to handle info-flow(NJC) ["Morten Feiring" ]
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 03:02:34 -0500
From: Marsha
Subject: Joni's Birthday Cake
Joni sent us three pieces of her
chocolate birthday cake over to our
table after our meeting with her.
It was the best tasting cake I have
ever eaten in my life.
I have saved a portion. It will be
my version of a saved-in-a-precious-box-
for-the-rest-of-my-life-little-molded-
trinket...
Marsha, sleepless in Atlanta (and
keeping Joni-like hours)
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 03:05:28 EST
From: Bmcd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni in Atlanta
In a message dated 98-11-07 22:57:37 EST, Marsha wrote:
<< he audience's appreciative applause and whistles,
and bouquets, and said she was getting "perverse
pleasure" in doing "one more" song, which was
Both Sides Now, and we loved it!!! It was melancholy,
she stood without guitar, but accompanied by the
band. It was in a lower key, pensive, slowed,
and reflective, and how she says it should have
always been sung....
God, what a special encore, hearing Joni on her
55th Birthday night sing Both Sides Now to us,
looking back on a life she has shown to be
uncompromising, honest, and full of "truth
and beauty".
>>
Let me express my complete envy for all of you hearing this, and those of you
who got to meet joni and wish her a happy birthday. Let me express my thanks
for your sharing these wonderful moments, and let me say "Let this be the one
that ends up on a tape tree!!"
Happiness is the best facelift, eh?
Yours in jonispirit,
Karen Mc
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 03:44:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Thomas Ross
Subject: Italian JM;German J'wocky
Yes Monica
Cool! always interested in the way lyrics translate - - or don't.
could you type us out a sample, say, of Case of You. . .?
Spanish a la Neruda or Lorca, for instance, comes to English very well, at
least in the hands of Merwin. Rilke. . . sometimes.
here's one I've done:
Es brillich war, und die schliethen Toven
girrten und gimmelten in die Waben
ganz mimsig waren die Borogoven
und die Momraether ausgegraben.
in Hindi also.
TR
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:20 -0500
From: Marsha
Subject: What more could I ask?
While I'm in Atlanta:
Georgia's Newt Gingrich resigns as
Speaker of the House of Representatives,
and I meet Joni Mitchell.
I like this town!
Marsha, still sleepless
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:42:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Glenn Plotner
Subject: Joni at Georgia Tech
It's Joni's birthday and there's an astonishing vibe in the air. She's
up for this and the crowd is attentive, focused, and feeling Joni's
subtle musical delivery, the poetry set in jazz canvas. There is no
hint of labor and physical demand, but celebration for the artist and
the nearing end of the tour. She's at ease and the Happy Birthday sign
held up by Marsha and other JMDLers early in the set evokes
appreciative acknowledgement from Siquomb. She smiles a lot and the
band is smooth. There is a conversant atmosphere between Joni and
audience. It's as if the whole of the auditorium is finally keying
into her level of artistry. They're listening.
And here I relate the story of near disaster. It's the Magdalene
Laundries introduction. Joni is offering the background of the song to
the audience. A few Bob buffoons grow restless. A couple of snipers
call out shots from the dark rafters. I realize that Joni thinks these
indiscernible missiles are birthday greetings or flattery and she
stops. "What?" with a grin to the heights of stage right. "Baadillen!"
"I'm sorry. What?" "Baadillen!" The smile leaves and suddenly Joni is
isolated in the crosshairs. "What? What did he say?" "BOB DYLAN!" She
recoils into stiffness. "Well to each his own" is all she can think to
say. She's thinking of leaving the stage. It's visible, the suckered
fury. "You're very rude." The majority of the crowd seems unusually
attuned to the situation. There are calls of encouragement and ripples
of supportive cheers. Hang in there. Joni takes the guitar and spits
the first chords of "Magdalene Laundries" toward the unseen fool. She
pushes through the song, but her thoughts are still held by the
heckler. The crowd stands and cheers for her as she finishes. We're on
your side. Lights go down. She discards the guitar. Klein whispers
something to her. She lights a cigarette and an angry "Trouble Man"
erupts which she dedicates to the sniper. She points in his direction
as she sings, but he has since been escorted out by security. This is
a torch song with smoky effect, but she seems more like a punk chick
in a fight. But now, this is a brawl she's going to win. Again we
emphatically rise and cheer as she finishes. We've all won. She's back
and smiling and what might have deteriorated into another Indy has
been elevated and bonded. "Comes Love." Wow. Reaching for every nuance
and sending it out to all of us. "You don't deserve love," she flips
off a final comment to the ghost of Beergut. Large sections of the
audience remain on their feet throughout the rest of the set, a cog in
something turning.
Encore. The sparse "Woodstock," the magic words lifted from the hit
and hung in quiet epiphany. And then... "We're going to do an extra
song tonight seeing how it's the end of the tour." "Moons and Junes
and fairy tales..." She's singing "Both Sides, Now" in a jazz
arrangement. My mouth is open. What an astounding finish. The song has
been transformed from folkie innocence into metaphor. The light
simplicity of its lyrics, which surely made Joni cringe at later
stages of her career, are pinned metaphorically in "I really don't
know love at all." You could hear the sadness of leaving that
innocence and its dumb freedom. One could feel that apply on numerous
levels as if it were an exit from expectation. She concludes in
self-satisfaction. I can't see suffering fools in the future. There
are flowers lain about the stage and as she retrieves an armful in the
ovation, the lights dim and Klein carries out a small birthday cake.
With the lone horn blowing "Happy Birthday," the auditorium sings out
with appreciation. It's an embracing moment. Joni blows out the
sheltered flames. Triumph.
Robert Glenn Plotner
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:20:19 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB
Hey Marsha,
were you able to get the "Betsy-riddle" solved??? :-)
Anyway, congrats on your encounter of the Joni-kind!
Winfried,
once again happy, proud, and slightly jealous
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:20:18 EST
From: Chilihead2@aol.com
Subject: The NY Boston group/The best show/ Meeting Joni w/ Kay
Hi,
I am putting together a list of people who are interested in meeting in the
Boston/NY areas or somewhere in between. Please be sure to send it to me and
not the list. This will be the last message concerning this this just so you
NYers who went to the DC show know.
Who knows which of the shows was "the best" and who cares. Sounds like a great
time was had by all.
Kay and I discussed how we want to meet Joni when were at Duane's. We would
not want to rush her
nor would come to adore her. We'd like to just sit down and have a quiet
dinner with her, as if she were a friend we hadn't seen in a long time. We
both agreed that if it couldn't happen that way then we wouldn't want to meet
her. This is not meant to demean in anyway the encounter of others but if she
gave us cake, we would eat, not save it Miss Havisham style. Yuk!
Has anyone seen Priscilla Queen of the desert? Do you remember the scene where
one of the drag queens who worshipped that "pop group" Abba produces a bottle
with formaldehyde and a "turd" left by one of the Abba singers in a toilet.
I am convinced that Joni could sell Joni turds, maybe Joni turd amulets (like
those rice necklaces Ric gave us at Asharas). Can't you see it all now, Joni's
new line for fall---she's gone vegetarian and organic. It comes in two shades
"Burnt Umber"and "Raw Sienna" Joni thought of you, now thank your friends by
thinking of them.
Like a good education Joni has helped us to appreciate our lives more fully.
She is truly a great person, of that I have no doubt. Now it's all to clear to
me what Joni meant when she supposedly wrote "Wake up Chicago". She meant I am
not a goddess, I am not perfect, I am a human being just like you.
- -Chili
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:38:07 -0500 (EST)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Things (NJC)
I'm hopelessly behind on my digests. Here are mine in no particular
order:
LOVE:
1. Good Music
2. Concerts
3. Skunk Buds
4. Sex
5. Ice Cream
6. Italian Food
7. LSD
8. Dogs
9. Tolkien
10. Marx Brothers
HATE:
1. Traffic
2. Cocaine
3. Schwag Buds
4. Shitty Music
5. Seafood (except Lobster & Shrimp)
6. The Right Wing
7. Prejudice
8. War
9. Injustice
10. NJC
gdave
NP: Tape of the Day 11/8/86
Neil Young: Reunion Arena, Dallas, TX.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 07:37:32 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: RE: Joni's Birthday Cake
Marsha,
You have class. And I mean it.
WallyK
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:21:11 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: After tour stuff
Hi everyone!
Both Sides Now? DJRD? This is tape tree material!!! I'm so happy for
everyone who met up with Joni on this tour!!! Now where's the photos!!??
Mark, noticing our first snow of the season!
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:31:59 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Italian JM;German J'wocky
Last year sometime I found out the "Avez vous un allumette?" meant "Do you
have a match?"
I think AltaVista still has that translation thing on their site... Which
remnds me, Howard W!!! Let's do it for TTT!
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:43:44 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni in Atlanta
Congrats to Marsha and the Atlanta gang for getting a chance to spend Joni's
birthday and birthday cake with her! I am so thrilled for you guys!
Terry
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:50:29 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Harlem In Havana-English to French to English
If you don't know how AltaVista's translations work-you type in a URL or a
sentence and translate it into a language. I translated Harlem In Havana
into French and then back into English, and this is what came up:
At the remote end of the central alley
By the doubles ferris roll
There is a tape which thus plays snakey
You cannot help how you feel
That Emmie Mae functioned far
With a man as dark as night
You can see it, if you go there
The second trumpet towards the line
They play the black girls of snakey " of night train "
Thus dancing long and the lanky right of stage
Of barking of Barkers to the top, of people!
The exposure is on the point to begin
It is Harlem in the line of stage
Of time of Havana inside!
The silver plated spangles see
The ' end of support balance in the eyes
Of farm hand that would' ve of Auntie Ruthie of kootchie of Hootchie
Cried if it knew that we were on the interior.
When Emmie Mae functioned far it returned fair God of bottle!
Chatterings had a treat gastronomist
Chomping on the way in which it was born...
Mark, bored on a Sunday morning
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| Harpua@revealed.net |
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| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:50:14 EST
From: Dreamzvill@aol.com
Subject: Re: Past lives - New Poll?
E.T. -
Thanks for sharing the story (the shrooms, etc)...I was afraid I had pushed it
too far when I brought up past lives!
Did you ever see Bigfoot?
We are all glad you're here today, too!
Cheers, Susan C.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:58:01 EST
From: Dreamzvill@aol.com
Subject: Re: joni's birthday-shared (NJC)
Wally...
It was also Johnny Rivers' birthday (#56). I still think his "Summer Rain"
and "The Poor Side Of Town" are killer tunes. Anyone know what he's up to?
Cheers, Susan Colleen
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:03:12 -0500
From: Marsha
Subject: Re: Joni at Georgia Tech
Robert Glenn Plotner wrote:
>
> It's Joni's birthday and there's an astonishing vibe in the air. She's
> up for this and the crowd is attentive, focused, and feeling Joni's
> subtle musical delivery, the poetry set in jazz canvas. There is no
> hint of labor and physical demand, but celebration for the artist and
> the nearing end of the tour. She's at ease and the Happy Birthday sign
> held up by Marsha and other JMDLers early in the set evokes
> appreciative acknowledgement from Siquomb.
Just a beautifully written review, Robert!
Enjoyed meeting you at the concert.
We have to give credit where credit is due
for the 8ft+ long birthday greeting we unfurled,
as the band came out for introductions.
Our Steve Chininnis made it and gave it to
the ticketholders-on-the-floor contingent
of our group. I "happened" to a better seat
down there with Bob M and his wife Valerie.
I am glad that my earlier JMDL sign brought
you out of the crowd to greet and meet us.
Always good to put a face/body to emails!
I had a fantastic time with everyone and
was happy and proud to have some of you share
in personal meetings with Joni on such
a special night.
See, Robert, you should have come back
with us.
Wanna come for brunch? I hear that...
oh well, that's for another post.
Marsha
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:10:26 EST
From: Cinemogul@aol.com
Subject: Joni's Poem of the Races
Howdy, all!
Like so many, I'd venture, I'm basking after Joni's PPV performance and a
resulting day-long deluge into the Hejira project. One question: Does anyone
have a transcript of Joni's poem about the races of humanity from the
concert's prologue? I came in on the tail end of it, but what I heard was
absolutely fascinating.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:31:18 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Oh, Sour Grapes
In a message dated 11/8/98 8:23:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Chilihead2@aol.com writes:
<< Kay and I discussed how we want to meet Joni when were at Duane's. We would
not want to rush her
nor would come to adore her. We'd like to just sit down and have a quiet
dinner with her, as if she were a friend we hadn't seen in a long time. We
both agreed that if it couldn't happen that way then we wouldn't want to meet
her. This is not meant to demean in anyway the encounter of others but if she
gave us cake, we would eat, not save it Miss Havisham style. Yuk! >>
In Detroit, we didn't rush her. We did respect her space and showed restraint
by asking her each time politely if it were ok to approach her. I am certain
that the Atlanta crew acted similarly. Since Joni doesn't know us personally,
how could we expect her to ring us up and ask us for a dinner invite? As much
as I WISH I were her friend, I am not. I'm a complete unknown to her! She is a
celebrity who must take care in not extending gracious invitations to complete
strangers. To me, that is being cautious and wise. To think otherwise is
rather egotistical, but I don't want to demean anyone, y'know?
Oh, sour grapes...
Terry
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 07:34:12 PST
From: "Barbara L"
Subject: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD
There must be something to that astrology stuff ;)
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 07:48:28 PST
From: "Barbara L"
Subject: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD
There must be something to that astrology stuff ;)
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:16:36 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Harlem In Havana-English to French to English
In a message dated 98-11-08 09:52:26 EST, Harpua@revealed.net writes:
<<
When Emmie Mae functioned far it returned fair God of bottle!
Chatterings had a treat gastronomist
Chomping on the way in which it was born...
>>
mark! these are an effing riot!!! thanks for the laugh! - love, ric
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:16:35 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: one big boo-hoo (NJC and self-indulgent and weepy)
deb - i'm sorry. as a poet once wrote: "after a time, all losses are the
same." the death of a pet is as much of a loss as any other, and just as
devastating. in the garden in our backyard is the grave of gideon, our maine
coon cat who had to be put down 13 years ago. every spring when the tulips
come up where he lies we think of him and miss his crotchety old self as much
as we ever did. after awhile you will find that you can remember your kitty
without the empty feeling you have now. bless you. love, ric
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:24:17 -0500
From: Tom Hanna
Subject: Will PPV be on sale soon?
Sorry if I missed the info, but will the PPV special
be for sale on tape/LD/DVD soon, officially?
Kingtwin
Tom Hanna
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 12:07:54 -0500
From: Janet Hess
Subject: Joni As Jazz Pianist
I'm listening to "Sunday Weekend Edition" with Liane Hansen. She's
interviewing Marian McPartland, host of MM's "Piano Jazz" on National
Public Radio. For those who haven't heard it, "Piano Jazz" features MM, a
guest, and two pianos; she talks with the guest, the guest plays a tune or
two, and MM and the guest play together. Just as I was thinking that I
haven't heard "Piano Jazz" in a long time and that I miss it, Liane asked
MM whether there were any guests she hadn't had yet that she'd like to have
on her show. Oh, of course, Marian McPartland said; there's Keith Jarrett,
and Stevie Wonder... AND, she said, I'd LOVE to have Joni Mitchell.
Well! I'm still grinning. Marian McPartland knows jazz, and if *she* says
Joni is a jazz pianist, chances are good that Joni's a jazz pianist.
Cheerz,
Janet,
still thinking that we may see Joni in some smoke-filled piano bar somewhere
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:03:25 +0100
From: "Peter Holmstedt"
Subject: Where Are The Reviews?
Hi there,
Sunday, Nov. 8 is here and I'm longing to hear some
looooong reviews about CPR's SF - show, Joni's TV
Special, Freebo's house concert and J Starship's
SF - show!!!
Shoooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
Take care,
Peter
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:04:30 +0100
From: "Peter Holmstedt"
Subject: Where Are The Reviews?
Hi there,
Sunday, Nov. 8 is here and I'm longing to hear some
looooong reviews about CPR's SF - show, Joni's TV
Special, Freebo's house concert and J Starship's
SF - show!!!
Shoooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!
Take care,
Peter
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:45:11 -0800
From: Travis Moser
Subject: Re: Joni at Georgia Tech
Robert Glenn Plotner wrote:
>
> It's Joni's birthday and there's an astonishing vibe in the air. She's
> up for this and the crowd is attentive, focused, and feeling Joni's
> subtle musical delivery, the poetry set in jazz canvas. There
> are flowers lain about the stage and as she retrieves an armful in the
> ovation, the lights dim and Klein carries out a small birthday cake.
> With the lone horn blowing "Happy Birthday," the auditorium sings out
> with appreciation. It's an embracing moment. Joni blows out the
> sheltered flames. Triumph.
>
This brought a bit of moisture to my eyes. Reading these reports of the
Atlanta concert I have to admit to a touch of envy. But more than that
I feel good. I'm glad that appreciation for Joni won the day. And I'm
proud to be a member of her fandom and more specifically a member of
this group. At the Gorge last spring I did my best to stifle the urge
to scream at the people who were talking all through Joni's
performance. I believe the presence of JMDLer's in particular in the
audience communticated the love & appreciation that we all have for Joni
to her and kept her going. I'm proud of our Atlanta contingent and
proud of every single JMDLer who attended a concert during this
remarkable year. We stood her in good stead. Maybe she'll come out &
play with us again some day soon.
CONGRATULATIONS TO MARSHA! It's been a long journey for you to finally
meet Siquomb. And a big, heartfelt congratulations to everybody who got
to meet Joni.
Mark in Seattle
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:51:42 EST
From: Gertus@aol.com
Subject: UK Joni special
Wally
Do you know what channel is showing the Joni special in the UK? I can't find
it listed anywhere.
Jacky
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:38:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael E Hawthorne
Subject: Joni on vinyl
NRH and TI were released on vinyl; no word yet on the availablity
of TTT on vinyl.
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:41:59 EST
From: AzeemAK@aol.com
Subject: Re: educating marieve...
For pop and Joni beginners, what about "Court and Spark"? As one reviewer
described it (in fact the whole album), "songs of great elegance and universal
appeal" - this is where we would find out just HOW universal!
Azeem
NP Jane Siberry, "Love is Everything" - God I love this song!
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:42:05 EST
From: AzeemAK@aol.com
Subject: Re: left/right (NJC)
In a message dated 11/6/98 3:37:08AM, Wolfebite@aol.com writes:
<< reminds me of that sophie tucker joke.. (don't know if anyones posted this
yet)
>>
Sorry folks, I'm gonna need some help - who the hell is Sophie Tucker?? I
have heard the gag before though: I think Bette Midler told a variation on it
on the Michael Parkinson show many years ago.
Azeem
NP The Blue Nile - Over the Hillside; actually it's now moved on (yes, I'm
doing another compilation for a friend): it was Aimee Mann's "4th of July",
followed, with horrible inevitability, by Terry Reid's "5th of July". Corny I
know, but, as I've said before, Terry's rendition of this song is a work of
genius: his finest hour, Trevor Horn's (he produced it) and Louise Goffin's
(she wrote it, but frankly didn't have the pipes to do it justice). And in
case you're wondering, of course Joni's on it - "Harlem in Havana"...
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:38:01 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: How I spent my Weekend (Atlanta Concert Review)
How I Spent my Weekend, or "Joni Has a Birthday and I get the Gift"
by Bob Muller
Part I, in which our protaganist enjoys a Joni Encounter of the first kind
(listening to her music):
So my wife & I leave Greenville around 10:30 or so Saturday heading for
Atlanta, a 21/2 hr. road trip on a beautiful. We gave ourselves lots of time
so she could browse the Liz Claiborne outlet in Commerce, Ga and so I wouldn't
be a nervous wreck worried about being late or getting lost in Atlanta (and
believe me, we do plenty of that). We enjoy "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" and
the Ambler PA show from TT#7 on the way down. We do indeed stop at the outlet
mall in Commerce and wander the Liz Claiborne store, but I don't care because
I'm seeing Joni tonight! We head south on I-85, roll into Atlanta about 2, get
lost (the first time) trying to find our hotel, which we eventually do locate.
Our next mission, freshen up and head to Einstein's for a JMDL "meet & greet"
@ 4:30.
I told Val to be ready to go @ 4:00 which of course was the kiss of death and
we left around 4:15, got lost (second time) and rolled into Einstein's @ 4:50
or so. We joined the party which consisted of Laurie, Pearl, Maurice, Marsha,
Paul, John & Allison, Medric, Steve & his wife (oops, forgot her name, but it
was a little overwhelming meeting faces, connecting them with internet
addresses, making small talk, etc. The food was great, but the service was a
little slow for some so they felt they had to split to be able to find parking
on Georgia Tech's Campus (there wasn't much, as anyone who's ever tried to
find parking on a college campus can attest). So the rest of us blazed a trail
over to Alexander Memorial to get situated...
Part II, In which our storyteller has a Joni encounter of the second kind
(seeing a live performance):
We managed to find parking using the "they can't tow us ALL away" mentality
and walked to Alexander with John & Allison. Val & I were the only ones with
floor seats, and I was delighted when I saw how small the floor area was - no
matter where we were on the floor, our seats were going to be great! I stopped
a moment, looked at the stage, and was just amazed that JONI MITCHELL was
going to be up there playing in a little while. We got there pretty early, and
went to find our seats, only to have the staff tell us that TicketMaster
screwed up and sold a section that didn't exist (the "section" we had seats in
was where all the sound equipment was) Bad News! But it soon turned into good
news when they told us that we could take our choice of some special seating
they had established to accomodate those people. We found ourselves in the
seventh row, near the end but still an excellent, excellent seat.
(To be continued)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:42:02 EST
From: AzeemAK@aol.com
Subject: Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . .
In a message dated 11/5/98 9:09:19PM, artwear@ncweb.com writes:
<< ....When you make your daughter buy Amy Grant for Big Yellow Taxi. Or
Heart for their rendition of River...and reading the cover to find out what
they say about Joni. >>
When someone mentions that they're even vaguely interested in her, and you
then stay up until 2.00am the same day to put together a compilation. Yup,
that was me! Well, I was never going to see this chap again (he was leaving
the company I used to work for the following day)...
Azeem
NP: Crustation - "Flame" - one of the most gorgeous tracks of the last year -
anyone else heard of them??
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:53:48 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB
- ----------
> From: Marsha
> To: joni@smoe.org
> Subject: Our audience with SIQUOMB
> Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 1:53 AM
>
> "If you want me, I'll be in the bar".
>
> And that's where we met and wished
> Joni Mitchell a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
>>>(snip)
> I am so happy for me and all jmdl'ers
> who have had the privilege to connect
> in person with Joni.
> I am in love shock right now and will
> post more later.
>
> SIQUOMB, isn't she?
> Marsha Doyle
DROOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!....with envy!
Marilyn
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 15:22:46 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Atlanta Review (continued)
We left 2 seats vacant to our right, for whatever reason - the reason soon
became apparant when Paul & Marsha came down and sat in them pretending that
they belonged there, and hey, in my opinion, they certainly did! Steve had
made a "Happy Birthday Joni" banner, which he had given to me to unfurl as I
was to be closest to Joni. We all agreed when we would unfurl it and holler
"Happy Birthday Joni", we decided it would be after the first two songs when
the band was coming out. So anyway, Dave Alvin starts up right on time @ 7:00.
I enjoyed his set, I had seen him before in a small club and was a Blasters
fan in the 80's so I appreciated him more than most. But still, Dave, I'll be
polite and applaud but I really want you to finish so I can see Joni!
He does, and now for the good stuff...Joni comes out, solo of course, in the
green velour that others have reported about. She launches into BYT, does the
Dylan verse, and of course I'm in heaven but I wish I didn't know the set so I
could be surprised. She finishes Just Like This Train and Paul, Marsha, Val &
myself share a look to indicate that our "Birthday" cue is fast approaching.
Joni brings out the band, and we time it perfectly! Just as the applause dies
and before the band plays, we hold the banner high, shout "HB Joni!!!" and she
looks our way, and comments about it being a long time since she's played on
her birthday. She cracks a joke about being older than the president and just
as frisky, and the audience is loving it. Then comes the show - I'll not give
the song list, only my observations; The band was so tight & unified,
everything they did was there to serve Joni's music. The acoustics, which were
so-so for Dave Alvin (due to the vacancies of the space) sounded great now as
the empty spaces had filled. Great interplay between Botti & Liesz on "Free
Man in Paris", Joni's rockin, even when others are soloing it's almost
impossible to take your eyes off Siquomb as she hypnotizes you with her
swaying and aura and guitar work! I know I was certainly under her spell. She
broke into "Black Crow", the first of the 4 Hejira numbers she was to do, and
I broke into tears - I thought it would happen during Hejira or Amelia, but it
happened with the first song from that record - such a rush of emotional
memories are tied to this album for me. She seemed very relaxed, the crowd was
nice and quiet and considerate, and since we were on a college campus, no beer
sales, so no rowdy drunks. That was significant, because Joni (as we know by
now) creates such a bond with the audience that she's aware of even the
smallest distractions. I was holding my breath between songs, praying that no
one would disturb the mood. She only did "Facelift" from TTT, and I had really
hoped she would do "Crazy Cries" and introduce it with a plug for TTT as well.
She started to tell a story about her childhood friend Sharon Bell, and I
knew we were about to be treated to Song For Sharon. She introduced it as
"Song For Sharon Bell", and after a false start, played a beautiful version.
But all did not go well, but Joni's professionalism shone through - while
introducing "Magdalene" with the familiar story behind the song, some jerk
yelled out "Bring on Bob" or something like that. Joni made him repeat it, and
then called him an idiot as she began the song. She added "Not just an idiot,
but a rude idiot!" The crowd cheered her enthusiastically, and security tossed
the asshole out. Joni also told him "You don't deserve Bob", and played a
fiery "Magdalene Launderies", plucking the guitar strings so hard she looked
like she was pulling the trigger of a gun.
Next she stepped back, lit her ciggie, and brought down the house with
"Trouble Man" & "Comes Love". I think it helped her to sing "But I'm not going
to let it sweat me none" to forget about her heckler. She bowed and left, and
the crowd rose to its feet and cheered such that I knew we'd be treated to
her encore of Woodstock. Sure enough, as expected, out she came solo with her
guitar and played Woodstock which the crowd really enjoyed. While I enjoyed
it, I realized her show was over - such a bittersweet moment! Then, all of a
sudden, out comes Klein, straps on his bass, and I realize there's more!!
Paul, Marsha & I are looking at each other, now in spontaneous unknown
country. Joni introduces the bonus by saying "We're going to do one more song
just to spite that guy who wanted Bobby!" The crowd goes wild... Some sweet
chords rise up, and it sounds to me like the intro to "My Best to You", and
I'm thinking "Great set closer", and then all of a sudden she starts to sing
"Rows and flows of angel hair..." and I realize of course what she's doing. I
started crying like I hadn't in a while, and all the words she sings take on
such added depth. She completes the song, takes a final bow, and Klein runs
offstage to get a cake complete with candles. He then leads the audience in a
singalong of Happy Birthday" and Joni looks truly touched. By now of course I
know she's done for the night, but it doesn't stop Marsha & I from whooping
like a couple of rednecks at a NASCAR event! Marsha says she doesn't want to
hear Dylan and spoil her Jonimood and arranges for us to meet at the Ritz
later. The rest of us stick around, and after all, I'm a Dylan fan as well.
Luckily, the break was quick, out comes Dylan, and.......Yuck! The sound,
which for Joni was crystalline, is a loud Thud. For some reason, they're
pumping tons of stinking smoke out from behind the stage and my eyes start to
burn. The well-mannered folks who extended courtesy to Joni & her band now
become a band of rowdy, pot-smoking deadheads! Val & I stay for about 4 songs
and can take it no more. This show is indeed over...
(To be continued)
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 15:15:09 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . .
- ----------
> From: AzeemAK@aol.com
> To: artwear@ncweb.com; howard@mpimedia.com; joni@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . .
> Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 2:42 PM
>
> In a message dated 11/5/98 9:09:19PM, artwear@ncweb.com writes:
>
> << ....When you make your daughter buy Amy Grant for Big Yellow Taxi. Or
> Heart for their rendition of River...and reading the cover to find out
what
> they say about Joni. >>
> When someone mentions that they're even vaguely interested in her, and
you
> then stay up until 2.00am the same day to put together a compilation.
Yup,
> that was me! Well, I was never going to see this chap again (he was
leaving
> the company I used to work for the following day)...
>
> Azeem
> NP: Crustation - "Flame" - one of the most gorgeous tracks of the last
year -
> anyone else heard of them??
Sorry haven't heard of them.
....when you make a compilation of depression Joni songs for your shrink!
Marilyn
I live in a box of paints
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:10:41 -0800
From: Scott & Jen & Anna Spring <3bunas@accessatlanta.com>
Subject: [Fwd: atlanta concert]
Message-ID: <36463298.1872@accessatlanta.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:08:56 -0800
From: Scott & Jen & Anna Spring <3bunas@accessatlanta.com>
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Subject: atlanta concert
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My life dream has been fulfilled. What a wonderful night for Joni and
me! I just wanted to share the lows and highs of the concert with you
all...
I'll start off with the low: I had drunk Dylan fans sitting directly
behind me who hooted and were generally misbehaving throughout, despite
repeated pleas to please shut the hell up. Oh well. The rest was pure
heaven.
First we arrived, not knowing where our seats were going to be exactly.
We got closer to the front and ended up pretty much on the floor.
However, someone was already in our seats. The seating person steered
us towards our new seats - hello - the front row! I nearly cried. I
just could not believe our good joni-luck! As we were waiting for
Joni's set to begin, who walked right in front of us, but Emily Saliers
of the Indigo Girls- she was sitting a few rows behind us. It was great
to see her attending this concert.
This was my first Joni concert - and I was blown away... she looked
beautiful and played beautifully! She handled the taunts from the crowd
well by playing longer and dedicating in singsong voice Both Sides Now
to the heckler "This one's for yOOOOuuuu!"
To sing Happy Birthday to her and see her response to the crowd from our
close seats was truly memorable.
Thank you, Joni for making me unendingly happy!
Jen
np: Dreamland - my ultimate favorite- heading for the Caymans next
week...
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:58:31 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD
And it's also Rickie Lee Jones'!!! Come on, she too deserves a weird minor
chord, don't you think?
WallyK
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:04:17 -0600
From: Howard Motyl
Subject: Song for Sharon
I groaned with pleasure during the PPV when she began Song for Sharon.
I groaned from pain when I read she sang it in Atlanta.
Howard M
ps who is Sharon, anyway?
NP: Night Ride Home
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:34:44 -0600
From: Howard Motyl
Subject: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album
I love Two Grey Rooms. There, I said it. Musically, lyrically. It's
melancholic, scary, and it's about a stalker, a benign stalker, maybe, a
voyeuristic stalker, but a stalker nonetheless.
When I hear this song, Joni becomes a substitute for me and my cravings
for this man whose shirt is undone when its hot, and who runs in the
rain. I loved him 30 years ago.
This projection also happens in "Last Time I Saw Richard" (as you may
remember from a previous post) and even on "Carey" (a bit). Certainly
on "Man from Mars" (who hasn't had a martian?).
So, it just hit me that there should be a Joni tribute album that
features only gay men singing Joni songs.
You all know my favorite:
George Michael "The Last Time I Saw Richard"
but who else would sing on it? And what would they do?
Michael Stipe "In France They Kiss on Main Street"
see, he's not out, so imagine the fun when he sings
lines like "Downtown, my darling dime store theif", "drooling to the
Brando like things that he
said . . . Leadfoot Melvin with his hot-wire head"
Bob Mould "Man to Man"
Michael Feinstein "Man from Mars"
just him and his piano
There is a front man for a heavy metal band that just came out? Who is
he, what band is it?
But who else is, ahem, out there?
Howard M
NP: Slouching Toward Bethlehem
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:41:43 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD
Didn't she diss Joni in some interview?
Mark
NP-Edie Brickell-When The Lights Go Down
At 6:58 PM -0300 11/8/98, wallykai wrote:
>And it's also Rickie Lee Jones'!!! Come on, she too deserves a weird minor
>chord, don't you think?
___________________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
|_________________________________|
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:43:37 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album
Cliff Richard?
Boy George?
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:02:50 -0500
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album
Howard M. wrote:
<<>>
I don't think this is the best song for him. How about "Dreamland"?
<<>>
This is so weird; I just had this conversation with Jerry Notaro last
night. Michael Stipe IS out--he came out in a cover story in
(appropriately enough) _Out_ magazine as being sexually attracted
to members of both genders. He recently reinforced his outness in
an interview w/ MTV re: Matthew Shepard where he said
something to the effect that even when pop culture celebs like
himself and Ellen DeGeneres achieve acceptance that homophobia
still exists in everyday America.
I think R.E.M. should do "Off Night Backstreet" (can you tell I just
got DJRD?). I think it suits his voice.
<<>>
I think his name is Rob Halford. He used to front Judas Priest. I
think his new band is called Two--I frankly can't remember right
now. Give him "Sex Kills."
Other queerboy possibilities:
Rufus Wainwright could do just about anything, but "People's
Parties" seems especially appropriate.
The Aluminum Group could do "Conversation" really well.
The Magnetic Fields doing "Stay in Touch"?
If Boy George could do for "Blue" what he did for "The Crying
Game" I'd be very happy. Or how about "Woman of Heart and
Mind"? LOL
- --Michael
NP: Aimee Mann, _Whatever_
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:16:25 EST
From: Barrylauri@aol.com
Subject: Atlanta concert
Joni Mitchell was as radiant and mesmerizing last night as she was twentyfive
years ago when I last saw her perform. Her body language when she sings, the
way she sways with her guitar, leaves you in a hypnotic state and you find
yourself just staring at her. She sang so many songs from Hijira that it was
like a dream come true. And, with her personal references to so many songs,
you finally understood what some of them meant. I could go on and on but my
fellow listers did such a great job in describing the magical evening.
Bob Dylan was great but I have to agree with Bob, it was MUCH to loud. The
sound spoiled some of the songs as the music just sounded so muffled. I also
noticed more Dylan boppers than Joni fans. No matter, I enjoyed meeting all
the southern listers and it's fun to now have a face to match the name.
Laurie
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:33:32 -0700
From: ginny
Subject: Joni in amazon.com
From amazon.com music:
We toast Joni Mitchell's birthday with a spin of Blue, the classic
acoustic recording that sealed her reputation as a singer/songwriter.
Working with minimal accompaniment (Stephen Stills and James
Taylor are two of the four sidemen), Mitchell creates an involving song
cycle about romance that is uncommonly intimate but also
astonishingly open and gracious.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:30:24 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Idols
There is a program on tv at present about fame and idolatry. It has
shown people 'worshipping' at the shrine of Freddie Mercury, Diana,
Presley etc.
I have never understood this. Maybe to my loss, I have never had a
'hero' not even when I was a child. I don't get it. These people are
just people.
There are people i admire for their human qualities and would aspire to
those qualities be they compassion, patience or bravery. Ghandi, Martin
Luther King, Dr Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, a friend Thelma, come to mind as
people that have qualities I value. But they are all just people.
I love Joni's music but I don't love Joni herself, at least not more
than I would care about any human being. How could I? I do not know her.
I feel the same way about Carly. Yes she thrills me with her music but
again I do not know her.
I was moved my Diana's death but failed to understand the mass mourning
that took place, the pilgrimage to Kensington Palace etc.
Do those that turn these people into idols see them as human at all? Do
they see they feel and think and have to go to the bathroom just like
us?
I don't get it.
Yes it would be nice to chat with Joni or Carly or Diana or MLK etc . In
fact i am sure it would be very interesting and not an opportunity I
would pass up if it arose. However, to think them better than anyone
else as far as humanity goes is something I fail to understand.
Perhaps someone of us who does feel like someone they idolise is above
the rest could explain why they feel that way. It would be interesting.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:31:36 EST
From: Bmcd@aol.com
Subject: Re: The NY Boston group/The best show/ Meeting Joni w/ Kay
In a message dated 98-11-08 08:23:04 EST, Chilihead wrote:
<< but if she
gave us cake, we would eat, not save it Miss Havisham style. Yuk! >>
I'd have my cake and eat it too. I'd save a small piece and find a way to
preserve it forever and wear this charm from time to time. I mean, really, if
Joni gave me a piece of cake you bet I'd be saving a piece. After 24 years of
her being my favorite singer, poet and musician, this treasure would be saved.
What a wondrous night for all involved. You lucky lucky cats. Yours in
jonispirit,
Karen Mc
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:30:11 +0100
From: "Morten Feiring"
Subject: Re:Jan Garbarek
Hi David
Just wanted to inform you on this, as Jan Garbarek is one of the finest ambassadeurs of music coming from this country:
His new double CD called "Rites" was just recently released here in Norway. I've been listening to it today (borrowed it from one of my brother-in-laws) and it's really some great music there. Check it out!
The album you refer to: "Twelve Moons" was released september 1992 (according to the discography included in the new double CD.)
Morten
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:10:49 +0100
From: "Morten Feiring"
Subject: Re:advices on how to handle info-flow(NJC)
well Winfried here comes a better late than never thank you very much for your very very excellent advices on how to get me out of my frustrations in my new life as a JMDL member.
You wrote:
"Move to a place that's less populated than the one you're living in
right now. The fewer people there are, the more time you have for
yourself aka. the JMDL. I estimate your island community has about 3.000
- - 5.000 inhabitants. That's already way too many! Spitzbergen, for
instance, would be much more appropriate"
I followed your advice here, and this is why I've been silent for some time now, because your assumption that:
"of course, they
have internet access there. (They sure have...what else can people do
there?)"
did not prove to be right
and why is that? Well the reason why is simple: On Spitzbergen, you see, it's so freezing cold everyone must sit together very closely in their igloos and use their energy on talking to each other face to face and so on and this way warming each other up in stead of the more exciting way of talking to a computer/warming up computers! Big let-down: off-line conversations all the time and no computers/no JMDL on Spitzbergen!
So therefore it wasn't any point in me staying there, so here I am, back home again!
thisisajokethisisajokethisisajoke
Anyway , thanks again for your very nice advices Winfried, they sure gave me too LOL!
"Winfried,
who will send the legal consultation bill as soon as he passes his exams"
:-)
My economy is not at its best these days, so I sure hope it'll be some time before you pass your exams!
And thanks too to other JMDL members who offered many inspiring advices!
Morten
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:34:23 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album
Cliff-Tax Free
Boy - Job's Sad Song
Morrisey- two grey rooms
Howard Motyl wrote:
> catman wrote:
> >
> > Cliff Richard?
> > Boy George?
>
> any suggestions on what they could sing?
> --
> Howard Motyl
> Producer, MPI Teleproductions
> 16101 South 108th Avenue
> Orland Park, IL 60462
> 708-873-3190
> 708.873.3177 Fax
> http://www.mpimedia.com
>
> "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something
> and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth."
> Roberto Clemente
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 10:38:56 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: NJC: lefty poll
Ha, ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'Nuff said
>>> 11/07 3:28 am >>>
As far as the differences between righty's and lefty's--
Left-handed people are the only ones in their RIGHT minds...
Oh yea, I'm a lefty.
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