From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #467 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 467 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's Birthday Cake [Marsha ] Re: Joni in Atlanta [Bmcd@aol.com] Italian JM;German J'wocky [Thomas Ross ] What more could I ask? [Marsha ] Joni at Georgia Tech [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB ["Winfried Hühn" ] After tour stuff [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Italian JM;German J'wocky [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni in Atlanta [TerryM2442@aol.com] Harlem In Havana-English to French to English [Mark Domyancich ] Joni's Poem of the Races [Cinemogul@aol.com] Oh, Sour Grapes [TerryM2442@aol.com] (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD ["Barbara L" ] Joni As Jazz Pianist [Janet Hess ] Where Are The Reviews? ["Peter Holmstedt" ] UK Joni special [Gertus@aol.com] Joni on vinyl [Michael E Hawthorne ] Re: educating marieve... [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: left/right (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] How I spent my Weekend (Atlanta Concert Review) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB ["M & C Urbanski" ] Atlanta Review (continued) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . ["M & C Urbanski" ] Joni as a gay man/new tribute album [Howard Motyl ] RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD [Mark Domyancich ] Idols [catman ] Re: The NY Boston group/The best show/ Meeting Joni w/ Kay [Bmcd@aol.com] Re:Jan Garbarek ["Morten Feiring" ] Re:advices on how to handle info-flow(NJC) ["Morten Feiring" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 03:02:34 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Joni's Birthday Cake Joni sent us three pieces of her chocolate birthday cake over to our table after our meeting with her. It was the best tasting cake I have ever eaten in my life. I have saved a portion. It will be my version of a saved-in-a-precious-box- for-the-rest-of-my-life-little-molded- trinket... Marsha, sleepless in Atlanta (and keeping Joni-like hours) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 03:05:28 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Atlanta In a message dated 98-11-07 22:57:37 EST, Marsha wrote: << he audience's appreciative applause and whistles, and bouquets, and said she was getting "perverse pleasure" in doing "one more" song, which was Both Sides Now, and we loved it!!! It was melancholy, she stood without guitar, but accompanied by the band. It was in a lower key, pensive, slowed, and reflective, and how she says it should have always been sung.... God, what a special encore, hearing Joni on her 55th Birthday night sing Both Sides Now to us, looking back on a life she has shown to be uncompromising, honest, and full of "truth and beauty". >> Let me express my complete envy for all of you hearing this, and those of you who got to meet joni and wish her a happy birthday. Let me express my thanks for your sharing these wonderful moments, and let me say "Let this be the one that ends up on a tape tree!!" Happiness is the best facelift, eh? Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 03:44:21 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Italian JM;German J'wocky Yes Monica Cool! always interested in the way lyrics translate - - or don't. could you type us out a sample, say, of Case of You. . .? Spanish a la Neruda or Lorca, for instance, comes to English very well, at least in the hands of Merwin. Rilke. . . sometimes. here's one I've done: Es brillich war, und die schliethen Toven girrten und gimmelten in die Waben ganz mimsig waren die Borogoven und die Momraether ausgegraben. in Hindi also. TR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:00:20 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: What more could I ask? While I'm in Atlanta: Georgia's Newt Gingrich resigns as Speaker of the House of Representatives, and I meet Joni Mitchell. I like this town! Marsha, still sleepless ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:42:09 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Joni at Georgia Tech It's Joni's birthday and there's an astonishing vibe in the air. She's up for this and the crowd is attentive, focused, and feeling Joni's subtle musical delivery, the poetry set in jazz canvas. There is no hint of labor and physical demand, but celebration for the artist and the nearing end of the tour. She's at ease and the Happy Birthday sign held up by Marsha and other JMDLers early in the set evokes appreciative acknowledgement from Siquomb. She smiles a lot and the band is smooth. There is a conversant atmosphere between Joni and audience. It's as if the whole of the auditorium is finally keying into her level of artistry. They're listening. And here I relate the story of near disaster. It's the Magdalene Laundries introduction. Joni is offering the background of the song to the audience. A few Bob buffoons grow restless. A couple of snipers call out shots from the dark rafters. I realize that Joni thinks these indiscernible missiles are birthday greetings or flattery and she stops. "What?" with a grin to the heights of stage right. "Baadillen!" "I'm sorry. What?" "Baadillen!" The smile leaves and suddenly Joni is isolated in the crosshairs. "What? What did he say?" "BOB DYLAN!" She recoils into stiffness. "Well to each his own" is all she can think to say. She's thinking of leaving the stage. It's visible, the suckered fury. "You're very rude." The majority of the crowd seems unusually attuned to the situation. There are calls of encouragement and ripples of supportive cheers. Hang in there. Joni takes the guitar and spits the first chords of "Magdalene Laundries" toward the unseen fool. She pushes through the song, but her thoughts are still held by the heckler. The crowd stands and cheers for her as she finishes. We're on your side. Lights go down. She discards the guitar. Klein whispers something to her. She lights a cigarette and an angry "Trouble Man" erupts which she dedicates to the sniper. She points in his direction as she sings, but he has since been escorted out by security. This is a torch song with smoky effect, but she seems more like a punk chick in a fight. But now, this is a brawl she's going to win. Again we emphatically rise and cheer as she finishes. We've all won. She's back and smiling and what might have deteriorated into another Indy has been elevated and bonded. "Comes Love." Wow. Reaching for every nuance and sending it out to all of us. "You don't deserve love," she flips off a final comment to the ghost of Beergut. Large sections of the audience remain on their feet throughout the rest of the set, a cog in something turning. Encore. The sparse "Woodstock," the magic words lifted from the hit and hung in quiet epiphany. And then... "We're going to do an extra song tonight seeing how it's the end of the tour." "Moons and Junes and fairy tales..." She's singing "Both Sides, Now" in a jazz arrangement. My mouth is open. What an astounding finish. The song has been transformed from folkie innocence into metaphor. The light simplicity of its lyrics, which surely made Joni cringe at later stages of her career, are pinned metaphorically in "I really don't know love at all." You could hear the sadness of leaving that innocence and its dumb freedom. One could feel that apply on numerous levels as if it were an exit from expectation. She concludes in self-satisfaction. I can't see suffering fools in the future. There are flowers lain about the stage and as she retrieves an armful in the ovation, the lights dim and Klein carries out a small birthday cake. With the lone horn blowing "Happy Birthday," the auditorium sings out with appreciation. It's an embracing moment. Joni blows out the sheltered flames. Triumph. Robert Glenn Plotner == Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments Ignatz Mouse's Tape Trading Page http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:20:19 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB Hey Marsha, were you able to get the "Betsy-riddle" solved??? :-) Anyway, congrats on your encounter of the Joni-kind! Winfried, once again happy, proud, and slightly jealous ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:20:18 EST From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: The NY Boston group/The best show/ Meeting Joni w/ Kay Hi, I am putting together a list of people who are interested in meeting in the Boston/NY areas or somewhere in between. Please be sure to send it to me and not the list. This will be the last message concerning this this just so you NYers who went to the DC show know. Who knows which of the shows was "the best" and who cares. Sounds like a great time was had by all. Kay and I discussed how we want to meet Joni when were at Duane's. We would not want to rush her nor would come to adore her. We'd like to just sit down and have a quiet dinner with her, as if she were a friend we hadn't seen in a long time. We both agreed that if it couldn't happen that way then we wouldn't want to meet her. This is not meant to demean in anyway the encounter of others but if she gave us cake, we would eat, not save it Miss Havisham style. Yuk! Has anyone seen Priscilla Queen of the desert? Do you remember the scene where one of the drag queens who worshipped that "pop group" Abba produces a bottle with formaldehyde and a "turd" left by one of the Abba singers in a toilet. I am convinced that Joni could sell Joni turds, maybe Joni turd amulets (like those rice necklaces Ric gave us at Asharas). Can't you see it all now, Joni's new line for fall---she's gone vegetarian and organic. It comes in two shades "Burnt Umber"and "Raw Sienna" Joni thought of you, now thank your friends by thinking of them. Like a good education Joni has helped us to appreciate our lives more fully. She is truly a great person, of that I have no doubt. Now it's all to clear to me what Joni meant when she supposedly wrote "Wake up Chicago". She meant I am not a goddess, I am not perfect, I am a human being just like you. - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Things (NJC) I'm hopelessly behind on my digests. Here are mine in no particular order: LOVE: 1. Good Music 2. Concerts 3. Skunk Buds 4. Sex 5. Ice Cream 6. Italian Food 7. LSD 8. Dogs 9. Tolkien 10. Marx Brothers HATE: 1. Traffic 2. Cocaine 3. Schwag Buds 4. Shitty Music 5. Seafood (except Lobster & Shrimp) 6. The Right Wing 7. Prejudice 8. War 9. Injustice 10. NJC gdave NP: Tape of the Day 11/8/86 Neil Young: Reunion Arena, Dallas, TX. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 07:37:32 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE: Joni's Birthday Cake Marsha, You have class. And I mean it. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:21:11 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: After tour stuff Hi everyone! Both Sides Now? DJRD? This is tape tree material!!! I'm so happy for everyone who met up with Joni on this tour!!! Now where's the photos!!?? Mark, noticing our first snow of the season! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:31:59 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Italian JM;German J'wocky Last year sometime I found out the "Avez vous un allumette?" meant "Do you have a match?" I think AltaVista still has that translation thing on their site... Which remnds me, Howard W!!! Let's do it for TTT! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:43:44 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Atlanta Congrats to Marsha and the Atlanta gang for getting a chance to spend Joni's birthday and birthday cake with her! I am so thrilled for you guys! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 08:50:29 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Harlem In Havana-English to French to English If you don't know how AltaVista's translations work-you type in a URL or a sentence and translate it into a language. I translated Harlem In Havana into French and then back into English, and this is what came up: At the remote end of the central alley By the doubles ferris roll There is a tape which thus plays snakey You cannot help how you feel That Emmie Mae functioned far With a man as dark as night You can see it, if you go there The second trumpet towards the line They play the black girls of snakey " of night train " Thus dancing long and the lanky right of stage Of barking of Barkers to the top, of people! The exposure is on the point to begin It is Harlem in the line of stage Of time of Havana inside! The silver plated spangles see The ' end of support balance in the eyes Of farm hand that would' ve of Auntie Ruthie of kootchie of Hootchie Cried if it knew that we were on the interior. When Emmie Mae functioned far it returned fair God of bottle! Chatterings had a treat gastronomist Chomping on the way in which it was born... Mark, bored on a Sunday morning ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:50:14 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Past lives - New Poll? E.T. - Thanks for sharing the story (the shrooms, etc)...I was afraid I had pushed it too far when I brought up past lives! Did you ever see Bigfoot? We are all glad you're here today, too! Cheers, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:58:01 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's birthday-shared (NJC) Wally... It was also Johnny Rivers' birthday (#56). I still think his "Summer Rain" and "The Poor Side Of Town" are killer tunes. Anyone know what he's up to? Cheers, Susan Colleen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:03:12 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni at Georgia Tech Robert Glenn Plotner wrote: > > It's Joni's birthday and there's an astonishing vibe in the air. She's > up for this and the crowd is attentive, focused, and feeling Joni's > subtle musical delivery, the poetry set in jazz canvas. There is no > hint of labor and physical demand, but celebration for the artist and > the nearing end of the tour. She's at ease and the Happy Birthday sign > held up by Marsha and other JMDLers early in the set evokes > appreciative acknowledgement from Siquomb. Just a beautifully written review, Robert! Enjoyed meeting you at the concert. We have to give credit where credit is due for the 8ft+ long birthday greeting we unfurled, as the band came out for introductions. Our Steve Chininnis made it and gave it to the ticketholders-on-the-floor contingent of our group. I "happened" to a better seat down there with Bob M and his wife Valerie. I am glad that my earlier JMDL sign brought you out of the crowd to greet and meet us. Always good to put a face/body to emails! I had a fantastic time with everyone and was happy and proud to have some of you share in personal meetings with Joni on such a special night. See, Robert, you should have come back with us. Wanna come for brunch? I hear that... oh well, that's for another post. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:10:26 EST From: Cinemogul@aol.com Subject: Joni's Poem of the Races Howdy, all! Like so many, I'd venture, I'm basking after Joni's PPV performance and a resulting day-long deluge into the Hejira project. One question: Does anyone have a transcript of Joni's poem about the races of humanity from the concert's prologue? I came in on the tail end of it, but what I heard was absolutely fascinating. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:31:18 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Oh, Sour Grapes In a message dated 11/8/98 8:23:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Chilihead2@aol.com writes: << Kay and I discussed how we want to meet Joni when were at Duane's. We would not want to rush her nor would come to adore her. We'd like to just sit down and have a quiet dinner with her, as if she were a friend we hadn't seen in a long time. We both agreed that if it couldn't happen that way then we wouldn't want to meet her. This is not meant to demean in anyway the encounter of others but if she gave us cake, we would eat, not save it Miss Havisham style. Yuk! >> In Detroit, we didn't rush her. We did respect her space and showed restraint by asking her each time politely if it were ok to approach her. I am certain that the Atlanta crew acted similarly. Since Joni doesn't know us personally, how could we expect her to ring us up and ask us for a dinner invite? As much as I WISH I were her friend, I am not. I'm a complete unknown to her! She is a celebrity who must take care in not extending gracious invitations to complete strangers. To me, that is being cautious and wise. To think otherwise is rather egotistical, but I don't want to demean anyone, y'know? Oh, sour grapes... Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 07:34:12 PST From: "Barbara L" Subject: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD There must be something to that astrology stuff ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 07:48:28 PST From: "Barbara L" Subject: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD There must be something to that astrology stuff ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:16:36 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Harlem In Havana-English to French to English In a message dated 98-11-08 09:52:26 EST, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << When Emmie Mae functioned far it returned fair God of bottle! Chatterings had a treat gastronomist Chomping on the way in which it was born... >> mark! these are an effing riot!!! thanks for the laugh! - love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:16:35 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: one big boo-hoo (NJC and self-indulgent and weepy) deb - i'm sorry. as a poet once wrote: "after a time, all losses are the same." the death of a pet is as much of a loss as any other, and just as devastating. in the garden in our backyard is the grave of gideon, our maine coon cat who had to be put down 13 years ago. every spring when the tulips come up where he lies we think of him and miss his crotchety old self as much as we ever did. after awhile you will find that you can remember your kitty without the empty feeling you have now. bless you. love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:24:17 -0500 From: Tom Hanna Subject: Will PPV be on sale soon? Sorry if I missed the info, but will the PPV special be for sale on tape/LD/DVD soon, officially? Kingtwin Tom Hanna =-=-=-=-=- tom@qx.net =-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 12:07:54 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Joni As Jazz Pianist I'm listening to "Sunday Weekend Edition" with Liane Hansen. She's interviewing Marian McPartland, host of MM's "Piano Jazz" on National Public Radio. For those who haven't heard it, "Piano Jazz" features MM, a guest, and two pianos; she talks with the guest, the guest plays a tune or two, and MM and the guest play together. Just as I was thinking that I haven't heard "Piano Jazz" in a long time and that I miss it, Liane asked MM whether there were any guests she hadn't had yet that she'd like to have on her show. Oh, of course, Marian McPartland said; there's Keith Jarrett, and Stevie Wonder... AND, she said, I'd LOVE to have Joni Mitchell. Well! I'm still grinning. Marian McPartland knows jazz, and if *she* says Joni is a jazz pianist, chances are good that Joni's a jazz pianist. Cheerz, Janet, still thinking that we may see Joni in some smoke-filled piano bar somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:03:25 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Where Are The Reviews? Hi there, Sunday, Nov. 8 is here and I'm longing to hear some looooong reviews about CPR's SF - show, Joni's TV Special, Freebo's house concert and J Starship's SF - show!!! Shoooooooooooot!!!!!!!!! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:04:30 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Where Are The Reviews? Hi there, Sunday, Nov. 8 is here and I'm longing to hear some looooong reviews about CPR's SF - show, Joni's TV Special, Freebo's house concert and J Starship's SF - show!!! Shoooooooooooot!!!!!!!!! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:45:11 -0800 From: Travis Moser Subject: Re: Joni at Georgia Tech Robert Glenn Plotner wrote: > > It's Joni's birthday and there's an astonishing vibe in the air. She's > up for this and the crowd is attentive, focused, and feeling Joni's > subtle musical delivery, the poetry set in jazz canvas. There > are flowers lain about the stage and as she retrieves an armful in the > ovation, the lights dim and Klein carries out a small birthday cake. > With the lone horn blowing "Happy Birthday," the auditorium sings out > with appreciation. It's an embracing moment. Joni blows out the > sheltered flames. Triumph. > This brought a bit of moisture to my eyes. Reading these reports of the Atlanta concert I have to admit to a touch of envy. But more than that I feel good. I'm glad that appreciation for Joni won the day. And I'm proud to be a member of her fandom and more specifically a member of this group. At the Gorge last spring I did my best to stifle the urge to scream at the people who were talking all through Joni's performance. I believe the presence of JMDLer's in particular in the audience communticated the love & appreciation that we all have for Joni to her and kept her going. I'm proud of our Atlanta contingent and proud of every single JMDLer who attended a concert during this remarkable year. We stood her in good stead. Maybe she'll come out & play with us again some day soon. CONGRATULATIONS TO MARSHA! It's been a long journey for you to finally meet Siquomb. And a big, heartfelt congratulations to everybody who got to meet Joni. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:51:42 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK Joni special Wally Do you know what channel is showing the Joni special in the UK? I can't find it listed anywhere. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:38:47 -0600 (CST) From: Michael E Hawthorne Subject: Joni on vinyl NRH and TI were released on vinyl; no word yet on the availablity of TTT on vinyl. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:41:59 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: educating marieve... For pop and Joni beginners, what about "Court and Spark"? As one reviewer described it (in fact the whole album), "songs of great elegance and universal appeal" - this is where we would find out just HOW universal! Azeem NP Jane Siberry, "Love is Everything" - God I love this song! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:42:05 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: left/right (NJC) In a message dated 11/6/98 3:37:08AM, Wolfebite@aol.com writes: << reminds me of that sophie tucker joke.. (don't know if anyones posted this yet) >> Sorry folks, I'm gonna need some help - who the hell is Sophie Tucker?? I have heard the gag before though: I think Bette Midler told a variation on it on the Michael Parkinson show many years ago. Azeem NP The Blue Nile - Over the Hillside; actually it's now moved on (yes, I'm doing another compilation for a friend): it was Aimee Mann's "4th of July", followed, with horrible inevitability, by Terry Reid's "5th of July". Corny I know, but, as I've said before, Terry's rendition of this song is a work of genius: his finest hour, Trevor Horn's (he produced it) and Louise Goffin's (she wrote it, but frankly didn't have the pipes to do it justice). And in case you're wondering, of course Joni's on it - "Harlem in Havana"... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:38:01 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: How I spent my Weekend (Atlanta Concert Review) How I Spent my Weekend, or "Joni Has a Birthday and I get the Gift" by Bob Muller Part I, in which our protaganist enjoys a Joni Encounter of the first kind (listening to her music): So my wife & I leave Greenville around 10:30 or so Saturday heading for Atlanta, a 21/2 hr. road trip on a beautiful. We gave ourselves lots of time so she could browse the Liz Claiborne outlet in Commerce, Ga and so I wouldn't be a nervous wreck worried about being late or getting lost in Atlanta (and believe me, we do plenty of that). We enjoy "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" and the Ambler PA show from TT#7 on the way down. We do indeed stop at the outlet mall in Commerce and wander the Liz Claiborne store, but I don't care because I'm seeing Joni tonight! We head south on I-85, roll into Atlanta about 2, get lost (the first time) trying to find our hotel, which we eventually do locate. Our next mission, freshen up and head to Einstein's for a JMDL "meet & greet" @ 4:30. I told Val to be ready to go @ 4:00 which of course was the kiss of death and we left around 4:15, got lost (second time) and rolled into Einstein's @ 4:50 or so. We joined the party which consisted of Laurie, Pearl, Maurice, Marsha, Paul, John & Allison, Medric, Steve & his wife (oops, forgot her name, but it was a little overwhelming meeting faces, connecting them with internet addresses, making small talk, etc. The food was great, but the service was a little slow for some so they felt they had to split to be able to find parking on Georgia Tech's Campus (there wasn't much, as anyone who's ever tried to find parking on a college campus can attest). So the rest of us blazed a trail over to Alexander Memorial to get situated... Part II, In which our storyteller has a Joni encounter of the second kind (seeing a live performance): We managed to find parking using the "they can't tow us ALL away" mentality and walked to Alexander with John & Allison. Val & I were the only ones with floor seats, and I was delighted when I saw how small the floor area was - no matter where we were on the floor, our seats were going to be great! I stopped a moment, looked at the stage, and was just amazed that JONI MITCHELL was going to be up there playing in a little while. We got there pretty early, and went to find our seats, only to have the staff tell us that TicketMaster screwed up and sold a section that didn't exist (the "section" we had seats in was where all the sound equipment was) Bad News! But it soon turned into good news when they told us that we could take our choice of some special seating they had established to accomodate those people. We found ourselves in the seventh row, near the end but still an excellent, excellent seat. (To be continued) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:42:02 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . In a message dated 11/5/98 9:09:19PM, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << ....When you make your daughter buy Amy Grant for Big Yellow Taxi. Or Heart for their rendition of River...and reading the cover to find out what they say about Joni. >> When someone mentions that they're even vaguely interested in her, and you then stay up until 2.00am the same day to put together a compilation. Yup, that was me! Well, I was never going to see this chap again (he was leaving the company I used to work for the following day)... Azeem NP: Crustation - "Flame" - one of the most gorgeous tracks of the last year - anyone else heard of them?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:53:48 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Our audience with SIQUOMB - ---------- > From: Marsha > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Our audience with SIQUOMB > Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 1:53 AM > > "If you want me, I'll be in the bar". > > And that's where we met and wished > Joni Mitchell a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! >>>(snip) > I am so happy for me and all jmdl'ers > who have had the privilege to connect > in person with Joni. > I am in love shock right now and will > post more later. > > SIQUOMB, isn't she? > Marsha Doyle DROOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!....with envy! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 15:22:46 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Atlanta Review (continued) We left 2 seats vacant to our right, for whatever reason - the reason soon became apparant when Paul & Marsha came down and sat in them pretending that they belonged there, and hey, in my opinion, they certainly did! Steve had made a "Happy Birthday Joni" banner, which he had given to me to unfurl as I was to be closest to Joni. We all agreed when we would unfurl it and holler "Happy Birthday Joni", we decided it would be after the first two songs when the band was coming out. So anyway, Dave Alvin starts up right on time @ 7:00. I enjoyed his set, I had seen him before in a small club and was a Blasters fan in the 80's so I appreciated him more than most. But still, Dave, I'll be polite and applaud but I really want you to finish so I can see Joni! He does, and now for the good stuff...Joni comes out, solo of course, in the green velour that others have reported about. She launches into BYT, does the Dylan verse, and of course I'm in heaven but I wish I didn't know the set so I could be surprised. She finishes Just Like This Train and Paul, Marsha, Val & myself share a look to indicate that our "Birthday" cue is fast approaching. Joni brings out the band, and we time it perfectly! Just as the applause dies and before the band plays, we hold the banner high, shout "HB Joni!!!" and she looks our way, and comments about it being a long time since she's played on her birthday. She cracks a joke about being older than the president and just as frisky, and the audience is loving it. Then comes the show - I'll not give the song list, only my observations; The band was so tight & unified, everything they did was there to serve Joni's music. The acoustics, which were so-so for Dave Alvin (due to the vacancies of the space) sounded great now as the empty spaces had filled. Great interplay between Botti & Liesz on "Free Man in Paris", Joni's rockin, even when others are soloing it's almost impossible to take your eyes off Siquomb as she hypnotizes you with her swaying and aura and guitar work! I know I was certainly under her spell. She broke into "Black Crow", the first of the 4 Hejira numbers she was to do, and I broke into tears - I thought it would happen during Hejira or Amelia, but it happened with the first song from that record - such a rush of emotional memories are tied to this album for me. She seemed very relaxed, the crowd was nice and quiet and considerate, and since we were on a college campus, no beer sales, so no rowdy drunks. That was significant, because Joni (as we know by now) creates such a bond with the audience that she's aware of even the smallest distractions. I was holding my breath between songs, praying that no one would disturb the mood. She only did "Facelift" from TTT, and I had really hoped she would do "Crazy Cries" and introduce it with a plug for TTT as well. She started to tell a story about her childhood friend Sharon Bell, and I knew we were about to be treated to Song For Sharon. She introduced it as "Song For Sharon Bell", and after a false start, played a beautiful version. But all did not go well, but Joni's professionalism shone through - while introducing "Magdalene" with the familiar story behind the song, some jerk yelled out "Bring on Bob" or something like that. Joni made him repeat it, and then called him an idiot as she began the song. She added "Not just an idiot, but a rude idiot!" The crowd cheered her enthusiastically, and security tossed the asshole out. Joni also told him "You don't deserve Bob", and played a fiery "Magdalene Launderies", plucking the guitar strings so hard she looked like she was pulling the trigger of a gun. Next she stepped back, lit her ciggie, and brought down the house with "Trouble Man" & "Comes Love". I think it helped her to sing "But I'm not going to let it sweat me none" to forget about her heckler. She bowed and left, and the crowd rose to its feet and cheered such that I knew we'd be treated to her encore of Woodstock. Sure enough, as expected, out she came solo with her guitar and played Woodstock which the crowd really enjoyed. While I enjoyed it, I realized her show was over - such a bittersweet moment! Then, all of a sudden, out comes Klein, straps on his bass, and I realize there's more!! Paul, Marsha & I are looking at each other, now in spontaneous unknown country. Joni introduces the bonus by saying "We're going to do one more song just to spite that guy who wanted Bobby!" The crowd goes wild... Some sweet chords rise up, and it sounds to me like the intro to "My Best to You", and I'm thinking "Great set closer", and then all of a sudden she starts to sing "Rows and flows of angel hair..." and I realize of course what she's doing. I started crying like I hadn't in a while, and all the words she sings take on such added depth. She completes the song, takes a final bow, and Klein runs offstage to get a cake complete with candles. He then leads the audience in a singalong of Happy Birthday" and Joni looks truly touched. By now of course I know she's done for the night, but it doesn't stop Marsha & I from whooping like a couple of rednecks at a NASCAR event! Marsha says she doesn't want to hear Dylan and spoil her Jonimood and arranges for us to meet at the Ritz later. The rest of us stick around, and after all, I'm a Dylan fan as well. Luckily, the break was quick, out comes Dylan, and.......Yuck! The sound, which for Joni was crystalline, is a loud Thud. For some reason, they're pumping tons of stinking smoke out from behind the stage and my eyes start to burn. The well-mannered folks who extended courtesy to Joni & her band now become a band of rowdy, pot-smoking deadheads! Val & I stay for about 4 songs and can take it no more. This show is indeed over... (To be continued) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 15:15:09 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . - ---------- > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > To: artwear@ncweb.com; howard@mpimedia.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: You know you are addicted to Joni when . . . > Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 2:42 PM > > In a message dated 11/5/98 9:09:19PM, artwear@ncweb.com writes: > > << ....When you make your daughter buy Amy Grant for Big Yellow Taxi. Or > Heart for their rendition of River...and reading the cover to find out what > they say about Joni. >> > When someone mentions that they're even vaguely interested in her, and you > then stay up until 2.00am the same day to put together a compilation. Yup, > that was me! Well, I was never going to see this chap again (he was leaving > the company I used to work for the following day)... > > Azeem > NP: Crustation - "Flame" - one of the most gorgeous tracks of the last year - > anyone else heard of them?? Sorry haven't heard of them. ....when you make a compilation of depression Joni songs for your shrink! Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:10:41 -0800 From: Scott & Jen & Anna Spring <3bunas@accessatlanta.com> Subject: [Fwd: atlanta concert] Message-ID: <36463298.1872@accessatlanta.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:08:56 -0800 From: Scott & Jen & Anna Spring <3bunas@accessatlanta.com> Reply-To: 3bunas@accessatlanta.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni Subject: atlanta concert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My life dream has been fulfilled. What a wonderful night for Joni and me! I just wanted to share the lows and highs of the concert with you all... I'll start off with the low: I had drunk Dylan fans sitting directly behind me who hooted and were generally misbehaving throughout, despite repeated pleas to please shut the hell up. Oh well. The rest was pure heaven. First we arrived, not knowing where our seats were going to be exactly. We got closer to the front and ended up pretty much on the floor. However, someone was already in our seats. The seating person steered us towards our new seats - hello - the front row! I nearly cried. I just could not believe our good joni-luck! As we were waiting for Joni's set to begin, who walked right in front of us, but Emily Saliers of the Indigo Girls- she was sitting a few rows behind us. It was great to see her attending this concert. This was my first Joni concert - and I was blown away... she looked beautiful and played beautifully! She handled the taunts from the crowd well by playing longer and dedicating in singsong voice Both Sides Now to the heckler "This one's for yOOOOuuuu!" To sing Happy Birthday to her and see her response to the crowd from our close seats was truly memorable. Thank you, Joni for making me unendingly happy! Jen np: Dreamland - my ultimate favorite- heading for the Caymans next week... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:58:31 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD And it's also Rickie Lee Jones'!!! Come on, she too deserves a weird minor chord, don't you think? WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:04:17 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Song for Sharon I groaned with pleasure during the PPV when she began Song for Sharon. I groaned from pain when I read she sang it in Atlanta. Howard M ps who is Sharon, anyway? NP: Night Ride Home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:34:44 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album I love Two Grey Rooms. There, I said it. Musically, lyrically. It's melancholic, scary, and it's about a stalker, a benign stalker, maybe, a voyeuristic stalker, but a stalker nonetheless. When I hear this song, Joni becomes a substitute for me and my cravings for this man whose shirt is undone when its hot, and who runs in the rain. I loved him 30 years ago. This projection also happens in "Last Time I Saw Richard" (as you may remember from a previous post) and even on "Carey" (a bit). Certainly on "Man from Mars" (who hasn't had a martian?). So, it just hit me that there should be a Joni tribute album that features only gay men singing Joni songs. You all know my favorite: George Michael "The Last Time I Saw Richard" but who else would sing on it? And what would they do? Michael Stipe "In France They Kiss on Main Street" see, he's not out, so imagine the fun when he sings lines like "Downtown, my darling dime store theif", "drooling to the Brando like things that he said . . . Leadfoot Melvin with his hot-wire head" Bob Mould "Man to Man" Michael Feinstein "Man from Mars" just him and his piano There is a front man for a heavy metal band that just came out? Who is he, what band is it? But who else is, ahem, out there? Howard M NP: Slouching Toward Bethlehem ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:41:43 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: (NJC)Today, Sunday is Bonnie Raitt's BD Didn't she diss Joni in some interview? Mark NP-Edie Brickell-When The Lights Go Down At 6:58 PM -0300 11/8/98, wallykai wrote: >And it's also Rickie Lee Jones'!!! Come on, she too deserves a weird minor >chord, don't you think? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:43:37 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album Cliff Richard? Boy George? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:02:50 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album Howard M. wrote: <<>> I don't think this is the best song for him. How about "Dreamland"? <<>> This is so weird; I just had this conversation with Jerry Notaro last night. Michael Stipe IS out--he came out in a cover story in (appropriately enough) _Out_ magazine as being sexually attracted to members of both genders. He recently reinforced his outness in an interview w/ MTV re: Matthew Shepard where he said something to the effect that even when pop culture celebs like himself and Ellen DeGeneres achieve acceptance that homophobia still exists in everyday America. I think R.E.M. should do "Off Night Backstreet" (can you tell I just got DJRD?). I think it suits his voice. <<>> I think his name is Rob Halford. He used to front Judas Priest. I think his new band is called Two--I frankly can't remember right now. Give him "Sex Kills." Other queerboy possibilities: Rufus Wainwright could do just about anything, but "People's Parties" seems especially appropriate. The Aluminum Group could do "Conversation" really well. The Magnetic Fields doing "Stay in Touch"? If Boy George could do for "Blue" what he did for "The Crying Game" I'd be very happy. Or how about "Woman of Heart and Mind"? LOL - --Michael NP: Aimee Mann, _Whatever_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:16:25 EST From: Barrylauri@aol.com Subject: Atlanta concert Joni Mitchell was as radiant and mesmerizing last night as she was twentyfive years ago when I last saw her perform. Her body language when she sings, the way she sways with her guitar, leaves you in a hypnotic state and you find yourself just staring at her. She sang so many songs from Hijira that it was like a dream come true. And, with her personal references to so many songs, you finally understood what some of them meant. I could go on and on but my fellow listers did such a great job in describing the magical evening. Bob Dylan was great but I have to agree with Bob, it was MUCH to loud. The sound spoiled some of the songs as the music just sounded so muffled. I also noticed more Dylan boppers than Joni fans. No matter, I enjoyed meeting all the southern listers and it's fun to now have a face to match the name. Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:33:32 -0700 From: ginny Subject: Joni in amazon.com From amazon.com music: We toast Joni Mitchell's birthday with a spin of Blue, the classic acoustic recording that sealed her reputation as a singer/songwriter. Working with minimal accompaniment (Stephen Stills and James Taylor are two of the four sidemen), Mitchell creates an involving song cycle about romance that is uncommonly intimate but also astonishingly open and gracious. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:30:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Idols There is a program on tv at present about fame and idolatry. It has shown people 'worshipping' at the shrine of Freddie Mercury, Diana, Presley etc. I have never understood this. Maybe to my loss, I have never had a 'hero' not even when I was a child. I don't get it. These people are just people. There are people i admire for their human qualities and would aspire to those qualities be they compassion, patience or bravery. Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Dr Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, a friend Thelma, come to mind as people that have qualities I value. But they are all just people. I love Joni's music but I don't love Joni herself, at least not more than I would care about any human being. How could I? I do not know her. I feel the same way about Carly. Yes she thrills me with her music but again I do not know her. I was moved my Diana's death but failed to understand the mass mourning that took place, the pilgrimage to Kensington Palace etc. Do those that turn these people into idols see them as human at all? Do they see they feel and think and have to go to the bathroom just like us? I don't get it. Yes it would be nice to chat with Joni or Carly or Diana or MLK etc . In fact i am sure it would be very interesting and not an opportunity I would pass up if it arose. However, to think them better than anyone else as far as humanity goes is something I fail to understand. Perhaps someone of us who does feel like someone they idolise is above the rest could explain why they feel that way. It would be interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:31:36 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: The NY Boston group/The best show/ Meeting Joni w/ Kay In a message dated 98-11-08 08:23:04 EST, Chilihead wrote: << but if she gave us cake, we would eat, not save it Miss Havisham style. Yuk! >> I'd have my cake and eat it too. I'd save a small piece and find a way to preserve it forever and wear this charm from time to time. I mean, really, if Joni gave me a piece of cake you bet I'd be saving a piece. After 24 years of her being my favorite singer, poet and musician, this treasure would be saved. What a wondrous night for all involved. You lucky lucky cats. Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:30:11 +0100 From: "Morten Feiring" Subject: Re:Jan Garbarek Hi David Just wanted to inform you on this, as Jan Garbarek is one of the finest ambassadeurs of music coming from this country: His new double CD called "Rites" was just recently released here in Norway. I've been listening to it today (borrowed it from one of my brother-in-laws) and it's really some great music there. Check it out! The album you refer to: "Twelve Moons" was released september 1992 (according to the discography included in the new double CD.) Morten ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:10:49 +0100 From: "Morten Feiring" Subject: Re:advices on how to handle info-flow(NJC) well Winfried here comes a better late than never thank you very much for your very very excellent advices on how to get me out of my frustrations in my new life as a JMDL member. You wrote: "Move to a place that's less populated than the one you're living in right now. The fewer people there are, the more time you have for yourself aka. the JMDL. I estimate your island community has about 3.000 - - 5.000 inhabitants. That's already way too many! Spitzbergen, for instance, would be much more appropriate" I followed your advice here, and this is why I've been silent for some time now, because your assumption that: "of course, they have internet access there. (They sure have...what else can people do there?)" did not prove to be right and why is that? Well the reason why is simple: On Spitzbergen, you see, it's so freezing cold everyone must sit together very closely in their igloos and use their energy on talking to each other face to face and so on and this way warming each other up in stead of the more exciting way of talking to a computer/warming up computers! Big let-down: off-line conversations all the time and no computers/no JMDL on Spitzbergen! So therefore it wasn't any point in me staying there, so here I am, back home again! thisisajokethisisajokethisisajoke Anyway , thanks again for your very nice advices Winfried, they sure gave me too LOL! "Winfried, who will send the legal consultation bill as soon as he passes his exams" :-) My economy is not at its best these days, so I sure hope it'll be some time before you pass your exams! And thanks too to other JMDL members who offered many inspiring advices! Morten ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:34:23 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni as a gay man/new tribute album Cliff-Tax Free Boy - Job's Sad Song Morrisey- two grey rooms Howard Motyl wrote: > catman wrote: > > > > Cliff Richard? > > Boy George? > > any suggestions on what they could sing? > -- > Howard Motyl > Producer, MPI Teleproductions > 16101 South 108th Avenue > Orland Park, IL 60462 > 708-873-3190 > 708.873.3177 Fax > http://www.mpimedia.com > > "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something > and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." > Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 10:38:56 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Re: NJC: lefty poll Ha, ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'Nuff said >>> 11/07 3:28 am >>> As far as the differences between righty's and lefty's-- Left-handed people are the only ones in their RIGHT minds... Oh yea, I'm a lefty. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #467 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?