From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #466 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 466 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: My night with Jimmy Webb and Brian Wilson [Don Sloan ] BD [Jon Moore ] Re: Wash Post Critic Adores Joni! ["Deb Messling" ] ppv comments [stevephoto@mindspring.com] Re: Joni on vinyl ["Juerg Loeffler" ] Travelling in some vehicle - sitting in some cafe... [RMuRocks@aol.com] Joni and PPV [mann@chicagonet.net] PPV Special [Leenycas@aol.com] Re: Joni and PPV [Diana Duncan ] Re: Wash Post Critic Adores Joni! [Janet Hess ] Re: PPV [Bounced Message ] This is the last day of our acquaintance. NJC [Bounced Message ] Comes Love [Bounced Message ] Joni on CBC / Celine on Sir George [Bounced Message ] Shopping for Joni - a frustrating experience [Bounced Message ] Re: joni's birthday [Travis Moser ] Re: Lame and Infuriating is Right... [Travis Moser ] The Complete Poems and Lyrics/Italian translation [cco@xs4all.nl] Sinead Lohan (NJC) [bg26140@binghamton.edu] Central California PPV Party - the rest of the story.. [Phyliss Ward ] Re: PPV & JONI'S BIRTHDAY CARD [heather ] Re: PPV [heather ] Re: PPV [heather ] one big boo-hoo (NJC and self-indulgent and weepy) ["Deb Messling" ] More great shows in LA tonight (Joni-related) ["Kakki" ] "Blue" used CD, HDCD or not? [jussi ] Joni Today! [Marsha ] Joni in Atlanta [Marsha ] Washington Gratitude (NJC) [DKasc13293@aol.com] Joni Central [Marsha ] Re: Joni in Atlanta ["M & C Urbanski" ] Our audience with SIQUOMB [Marsha ] No Apologies lyrics [Bmcd@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 00:17:41 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: re: My night with Jimmy Webb and Brian Wilson Kakki...... Thanks so much for the great review of an obviously more-than-memorable night on the town in L.A.!! I've always appreciated Jimmy's songwriting and I'm one of those that sees Brian Wilson as one of the very few true rock icons. To mingle with both in one night - - - you must be thrilled! Thanks..... Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:06:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: The PPV I just returned from our local SoCal PPV party at Steve Dulson's house, attended by Ken Corral, Steve Jossum and Jill Tamada - all of who were in the audience at the tapings. Steve was kind enough to order two showings so that those of us stuck in Friday night traffic could see it all. Marsha also phoned in from Atlanta where she was at a PPV party with our own John "Hairfarmer" Lind! I was more impressed viewing it now than when I was there both nights. I think this had to do with my awestruck sense of surreality while I was actually experiencing it then. Looking at it again with some objectivity, I observed so much more how great Joni and the band were those nights. The show consists mainly of clips from the second (Saturday) night of the tapings, with Song For Sharon being a notable exception. We found ourselves frequently breaking into spontaneous applause after several of her songs and thought the whole production was really awesome. One thing we all expressed was feeling a twinge that we could never relive those nights again. Seeing it on tape is not enough - we wanted to be back there in that room again! To me, it was almost a little melancholy to think that we will probably never again have such a rare opportunity to experience Joni like that. It's feels a little like waking up and finding the beautiful coach has turned back into a pumpkin! (Oh, allow me a little whimpering here, O.K.? ;-) The jmdlers who are shown almost continuously through the tape are Wally, Don Sloan (directly behind Joni) and Jill Tamada (frequently shown off to Joni's left side). But there are also many shots of Steve Dulson (sitting next to Jill) and Ken Corral (sitting next to Steve) and a stand out shot of Steve Jossum. We saw Leslie and Steve Mixon and Mariana a couple of times, along with Les, who was sitting with her. There was a shot of Pearl and Wally in the beginning viewing the paintings and we saw at least one other shot of Pearl. Almost impossible to spot, but verifiably spotted nonetheless, were a couple quick shots of me and Phyliss! We all thought it was fantastic but would have wished for a more uncut, longer version which included more of the songs and the paintings. What really came across in the tape was Joni's wonderful warmth, beauty and fantastic personality which we were all just bowled over by in person. Thanks again to everyone for such a nice party with wonderful food and wine and sharing of Joni musings and memories. (You should see Steve's cache of priceless Joni stuff - ahhhhh!) Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 05:39:20 -0500 From: Jon Moore Subject: BD Happy Birthday Joni!!! Wonderful to share with you in MPLS, MNon the 23 of October ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:07:07 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Wash Post Critic Adores Joni! Thanks for posting this great review! Call me Ms. Negavitity, but I would be interested in seeing the extremely negative TTT review that was published (I think) in the W. Post. Did anyone post it? And who wrote it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:03:42 -0800 From: stevephoto@mindspring.com Subject: ppv comments Just wanted to put in my two cents. I almost was late for work because I got so caught up in the show. I was taping it but I had a hard time turning the TV off. Joni was so beautiful, strong, confident and relaxed and in such great voice. As usual, Joni has put together a fine band of musicians to accompany her and I loved the "theatre in the round" set she designed. This fall has started out with such a bang. The release of TTT, seeing Joni at Madison Square Garden, The PPV, what's next? Hey, wasn't that Graham Nash applauding at the end of the show? Joni forever stevephoto@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 14:57:21 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: Joni on vinyl Hi David, Jamie and Phyliss, Thanks for your infos! Apparently NRH is the album i have to look for to complete my vinyl collection. There are some record stores here that still have stocks of vinyl records. Maybe i am lucky and can grab a copy of NRH someday. My thoughts with Joni - may all the love that you sowed come back to you! - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:09:56 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Travelling in some vehicle - sitting in some cafe... Good Morning, or afternoon, or night, depending on whatever it is when you catch this... Since January, I've experienced such joy "sitting in this cafe" and sharing, learning, discovering so much about Joni and so many other things. As I write, I'm listening to Hejira, remembering the first time I heard it and realizing that the world was so much larger than the Elton John/Doobie Brothers/Eagles etc. world I had been allowed to see previously. This magical, mysterious, mystical record, that I didn't have a clue about at 18 and am only beginning to unlock now at 41. In just a little while, I'm heading to Atlanta to see and hear the individual who gave flight to this remarkable piece of work, easily the most complete artistic vision of our time IMO. This feeling is so overwhelming just thinking about it is causing my eyes to tear up and my hands to shake. And also, what a feeling to share this with people who UNDERSTAND this emotion! Anyone else would laugh hysterically! So my wife & I will be travelling in some vehicle (her Saturn with TT#7 and Lucinda Williams in tow), sitting in some cafe (Einstein's in Atlanta @ 4:30 with 15 or so JMDLer's), and preparing to see Joni, thanks to the links I made through this group. WOW! P.S. I'm a righty, but I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous...(I love that line ;~D) Bob M. in SC, West Bound and rolling... NP: Refuge of the Roads ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:35:58 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni and PPV Well, my PPV started out bad......had wanted to get my 4 year-old to bed but my husband suggested he stay up to watch Joni. I agreed reluctantly as he has so much energy and it was a really noisy day. At the last minute, my little guy decided he would be quite and sit with us on the couch . Hubby couldn't get the recorder to work and was banging it around. It got crazy.....I couldn't hear the beginning because of the banging and then my 4 year-old started crying. I started to get really mad inside...but then the whole thing just struck me as so funny I started laughing and then just gave up and figured I'll just buy the video one day (I HOPE). A half-hour later my husband realized the video recorder WOULD NOT start. My little one was quietly watching....and Joni was wonderful! I have been listening to Song for Sharon alot lately so really was pleasently surprized to hear that! Also at this taping....I realized I now really like the music to Sex Kills. Didn't like it before....but as others on the list have said.....many of Joni's songs have to grow on ya....but once they take root....I'm hooked! Of course the live band surely helped.... great, great sound! Hubby did manage to get it on the loud speakers...which I hate usually...but with Joni on there it was awsome! Amazingly, little Myles fell asleep on the couch....despite how booming Joni was coming out of the speakers! In regards to Joni's knitting story.......did I miss something? I didn't get it.......can someone fill in my denseness, please? I had fun spotting the few people I've seen in pics off the Joni list. Marianne.......wasn't that you smiling and clapping like crazy? And good-lookin' Wally right behind Joni? I wish you could have been sitting right in front of her to see her expressions. Well, the good part of the whole evening was I got to see Joni twice.....because the show aired a second time, right after the first one and the cable company didn't pull the plug!!!! This time I heard everything as all was quite now in the house. I was overdosing on Joni and it was wonderful!! What a great way to go to sleep........after hours of Joni.... singing, dancing, painting, and lots of Joni smiles!!! Of course I'll be checking my bill to see if they double-charged me!!! Laura....in Joni heaven! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:09:23 EST From: Leenycas@aol.com Subject: PPV Special After not being able to attend either the Woodstock or MSG show, I was really pumped for the show last night and I was not disappointed. It was everything and more the listmembers who attended the show said it was in their glowing reviews. Really loved it when she cut loose and danced during "Comes Love" and "Trouble Man" blew me away. During the entire evening she really looked like she was having a great time. The only damper on the evening was when I ran the tape back of the show and my husband I and got nothing but snow. Don't know what could have happened, we've never screwed up taping before. The only thing I can think of is that my tape machine started a little before the concert did and at the beginning of the show, during the producer's intro, it flicked off for a mini second. At any rate, the video is definitely on my Christmas list. Colleen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 09:45:31 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: Joni and PPV At 08:35 AM 11/7/1998 -0600, Laura wrote: >In regards to Joni's knitting story.......did I miss something? >I didn't get it.......can someone fill in my denseness, please? I've been mulling this over too. This morning I was trying to explain it to my daughter, who fell asleep before the end. I think it has to do with what this woman says at the end.. about the stars being beautiful. However, my daughter pointed out to me that Joni is like some rare people that can mesmerize you with their story tell and it doesn't matter if the story has any meaning or not. It's the art of the telling. However, if anyone does know the "point" Joni was trying to make, please share. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:07:40 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Wash Post Critic Adores Joni! The Washington Post reviewed TTT favorably, and I posted it a few weeks ago. By contrast, the horrid pan was in the Washington City Paper. I read it the day it came out, sitting at a sidewalk cafe, and nearly choked on my latte. I just checked and the review isn't on the City Paper site. I'm afraid that by now I've burned my copy while muttering appropriate incantations. I'm also afraid that I forget which area JMDLer posted about the review so I don't know whether that person still has a copy. If it's any comfort, the review itself was not just "extremely negative" (as you've described it) but also just plain *bad*...as in a total indulgence on the part of the reviewer. In fact, just typing these words about it makes me want to wash my hands. At least the Post, DC's major paper, reviewed TTT favorably and appreciated Joni's set at the concert. In fact, illustrating the review is a caricature of Joni; it's on the first page of today's "Style" section. There's an online copy of this; the drawing isn't very clear online, but for those who'd like to check it out, here's the URL: (The Joni pic is at the bottom right of the page. And I think this URL won't work after today, because it's to the online image of today's edition of the Post.) Cheerz, Janet At 07:07 AM 11/7/98 +0000, Deb wrote: >Thanks for posting this great review! > >Call me Ms. Negavitity, but I would be interested in seeing the >extremely negative TTT review that was published (I think) in the W. >Post. Did anyone post it? And who wrote it? > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:14:47 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: PPV From: "Jon Webb" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:52:13 -0500 TerryM wrote: >changed channels and came back. But when I did...Ooooooh, was it fantastic! Hey Terry, Yes it sure was! Jon and I just got back from Sherrie and Cindy's Jmdl Pay-Per-View bash, with Bill Dollinger, Duane, The Kingpin, Patrick, Barbara and Jerry Notaro. I didn't want to go, but my Jon puppyed out after a glass of red wine. The vegetarian Chili was fab and so was the company....and the siquomb entertainment, of course. Tomorrw I'll be taking my first jmdl field trip, when we will be seeing the Chuck Close and VanGogh exhibits... >I still can't get over Joni dancing away! That was one of the more animated moments. I think there should have been more.. >I kept looking for jmdl'ers in the audience. Wally, was that you behind Joni? We saw Wally most frequently, and a great shot of Mariana and Pearl. Someone thought they saw Jill Tamada. I caught a quick glimpse of -JulieZW, wishing the best for those of you going to the Atlanta show tomorrow! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:15:39 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: This is the last day of our acquaintance. NJC From: Jamie Zubairi Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:07:49 -0000 Dear Listers I'm sorry to have to say goodbye for at least 11 weeks while I start my job in the theatre. THis will be my last post of the day. When I finish reading the last two days posts, I will be un.subbing from the list. Dillons have said that the book is called Autobiography and is out in England on May 6th. Wally? Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:17:52 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Plea For A T-Shirt From: "Gerald Hillman" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:27:00 -0600 Please, please, please... If anyone in concert attendance would be so generous as to pick me up a Turbulent Indigo T-Shirt I would gladly send $ for cost + shipping + honorarium (and be eternally grateful). If there's any volunteers, email me please. Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:16:14 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Comes Love From: "Claud SansSoucie" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:47:29 -0500 How about taping it ?! - tape tree material? I loved that song when I heard it last night at the College Park show in MD. Claud Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog) email: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net or: Scuttlefish@ovation.net tele: (717) 854-7171 Web Page: http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:16:53 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni on CBC / Celine on Sir George From: "Gerald Hillman" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:56:39 -0600 I heard an interview with George Martin on CBC Radio1 a week or so ago. When he was talking about getting the performers to do the album, he stated, "of course Celine was easy". Naturally, he didn't mean it that way, but I just recalled that in reading your post. Obviously they're friends. They played "Come Together" performed by Robin Williams and Bobby McFeron. Hearing Robin Williams sing anything is a weird concept, but I kind of liked it. And yes, I've been seeing the ads for the upcoming special. (I like CBC.) I wonder if it's a shorter version of the PPV (which my cable company will not be airing). From the ads; it looks like the same circular stage, and she appears to be wearing the same attire (as seen on Wally's Upcoming News page). I'll be cosied up to my tv Sunday night. My one compliant about the CBC; they don't broadcast in stereo. ("I'm a taxpayer and I demand that you broadcast Joni in stereo!") Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:17:28 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Shopping for Joni - a frustrating experience From: "Gerald Hillman" Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:21:04 -0600 A while back, one of the cats knocked the mini stereo off the tv and broke a couple CDs in the process. (The same adorable kitties who, earlier in their lives, have managed to break - among other things - a glass coffee table, and a cast iron fry pan.) Today I went to replace Hejira. Walked into HMV, and staring me in the face was a big display of that Alanis broad. The snot-nosed 6 year old in me wanted to push it over after finding only a few Joni CDs, not one of them being Hejira. I finally found it at the 6th(!) record store. I chastised the clerk for having Joni in the "Folk"(!) section. His defence was that it wasn't his decision. I just grumbled unintelligibly. I was wishing I had only recently discovered Joni. About 4 of her CDs were priced at $5.99! My jaw dropped (4 times)! That's really cheap when you consider that a second hand store charges $10 for a used CD. There was only one other customer in the store. He was looking through the Dylan section. Probably at the concert, too. I would have been there had Joni come along with Dylan. But, noooo... Dylan with Jann Arden. Envy-Green Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:18:57 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Shadows? From: "4Ikes" <4ikes@paonline.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:27:28 -0800 Is it me or am I just crazy but doesn't any body talk about Joni's live stuff like the "Shadows and Light" or "Miles of Isles"? I think some of the versions of her material is better than the studio version. Definitely, "Amelia" and such, what with Jaco and Pat M. there to add their 2 cents. MAn what a gas, I never thought a whole lot about some of that material until I heard those versions! SIQUOMB, Isn't she? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:30:17 -0800 From: Travis Moser Subject: Re: joni's birthday Deb Messling wrote: > > So how many people are planning to celebrate Joni's birthday > tomorrow? Are we wearing our Joni t-shirts, or will be it be too > cold? > > And what are people serving for their PPV parties? Chateau Margaux? > Apple Oink? I am poaching chicken in apple juice; is that close > enough? We had pot roast with carrot cream pie for dessert and after the show we had root beer floats. Strictly comfort food for this group of mostly (with the exception of Travis & my friend Val's daughter, Rachel) former Iowans. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:58:27 -0800 From: Travis Moser Subject: Re: Lame and Infuriating is Right... Michael wrote: Artists will change their songs for > many reasons such as ,the mood they are in at the time as we > have heard with Joni doing Sex Kills,playing a certain song > with a different instrument or just the fact that their > playing style has evolved. > Many many reasons.A song ,as long as it is played, is a > living, evolving thing. > > > < > Why do both Joni and Bob change the melodies > < > of their songs both in rhythm and harmony when > < > they play live? "I don't think I ever sing the same song the same way twice. One night it's a little bit slower, one night a little bit brighter, according to how I feel." -Billie Holiday Mark in Seattle ok, ok, I'm right-handed! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:13:12 -0800 From: Travis Moser Subject: Re: PPV Jeanne M Whitlock wrote: > > I did get it on tape, but not very good quality. I called my cable company > and bitched because the picture kept blinking....they tried to fiddle with > the signal, but it STILL wasn't great. So at least they're not charging my > account. But I could still see it, anyhow! And it's got more than a few > priceless moments! > > Knit, knit, knit .... Did any Canadian JMDLers or people with access to CBC think that the character in the knitting story was similar to the character that appears on 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes' who rants about various topics of the day? She has short black hair, goofy looking glasses and gets really wound up & into her topic. Not sure what the woman's name is who does this character. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:38:11 +0100 (CET) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: The Complete Poems and Lyrics/Italian translation Finally! I had been looking for a book with Italian translations of Joni's songs and I just got a copy of the Italian edition of Joni Mitchell - The Complete Poems and Lyrics. The book has been published last September (ISBN 88-09-21519-2) and the Italian title is: Joni Mitchell - L'opera completa: testi e poesie. There is an introduction, a biography of 22 pages, the original text of the lyrics with the Italian translations (Taming The Tiger songs included), an article at the end and a discography. The translations are by Marco Grompi and Michele Lauro, the publisher is Giunti. Italian Joni fans, enjoy! Bye, Monica ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 14:38:10 -0500 (EST) From: bg26140@binghamton.edu Subject: Sinead Lohan (NJC) Has anyone heard of Sinead Lohan? I have a friend in London who sent me a tape with two of her albums on it; I can't recall the name of the first, but the second was titled "No Mermaid". They are really fantastic. They actually reminded me of Joni a little bit (of course, everything reminds me of Joni!). I am assuming that she is generally a british artist--she sounds alot like Dolores O'Riordan from the Cranberries. So, has anyone heard of her? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 11:56:44 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Central California PPV Party - the rest of the story.. What a wonderful evening! There were 19 of us. A group of my friends from various lives. Some of whom knew a little about Joni. Some none at all. While my guests arrived we nibbled on a buffet of miscellaneous goodies, including my future entry to the cookbook "People's Parties Cocktail (Turkey)Balls". I spread all my Joni memorabilia on the dining room table and created an "open book quiz" with an obsessive 29 questions of varying degrees of difficulty. While people milled around the table trying to answer the questions I would occasionally give hints and various tidbits of Joni info. It was really fun. Claudia, a 63 year old woman who is a dear friend and knows nothing of Joni was intent on winning. At one point I asked her if she was learning more about Joni than she ever wanted to know. She replied that she was "learning that she is a pretty amazing woman". It warmed my heart! Another friend, Geoff, and his date retreated to my computer, found the JMDL bookmarked and started using the search feature!!! Go Les! Claudia won first place with 23 correct answers and received a copy of TTT .Geoff won second with 20 and took the Hejira CD. One of the more difficult and amusing questions that only one person got, with generous hints was "Who is the black person on the cover of DJRD?" Another question was "According to Joni, Happiness is the best ________?" Needless to say there was a huge AHA during that song in the concert. At 8PM sharp everyone was seated in front of the big screen TV. They wowed at the introduction. Lots of them commented on the incredible set. All of them kept asking if I saw me in the audience. I never did, but after Kakki's comment I'll have to look closer when I watch the tape. If not, that's an ok price to pay for having such an awesome seat directly in front of siquomb! Now get this. Every single one of them were quiet and respectful during the whole thing! Many of them even applauded enthusiastically after each song! I noticed They really liked Black Crow and Sex Kills, the more upbeat songs. They went ape over Facelift as well as Trouble Man and Comes Love. A few folks said they didn't realize that they really did know some of her songs and that they would have to pick up one of her CD's. (Where is that check anyway Reprise? ;-). Geoff's date Cynthia was one of them. She is a Sarah McLachlan fan and I had mentioned that Sarah loves Joni. One interesting comment was "Her songs have so many words. How does she remember them all?" I responded that sometimes she obviously does forget but that I pretty much had all of them memorized myself! Ah yes, you know you're a Joni addict when..... All my guests thanked me profusely for the invite and said they thoroughly enjoyed the evening. It couldn't have been better. Well, unless some of you had been there of course. Love and Joni to all... - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:11:40 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Country Bumpkin goes to the Big City to see JMDLers!!! (Oh, and Joni, too!) Right-handed Ashara checking in (finally!) after the New York show. First of all, to all those I owe personal e-mails; please be patient, kind, and understanding. I have son #3's Bar Mitzvah 2 weeks from today, and I am going crazy!!! I am about a week or so behind in Joni mail also, so even though I try to pick a few mesages to read here and there, I am basically clueless. So......I flew into the Big Apple on Saturday to have some extra time to take in some of the sites, and meet friends from the list. Wonderful, gratious, attentive Kenny-turned-tour-guide met me at the airport, as I was a bit daunted being in the city alone. We had an incredible day, and were joined for dinner by fellow listers Kay Ashley, Patrick, and Kay's friend Stacy. We also ran into the Chili crowd who were eating at the same place. Sunday brunch at Duane's was wonderful! It was very comfortable, the food was delicious, and it was so great to be able to put faces to many names I have only seen on the little box in my office. I tried to keep my anxiousness in check. You see, Maggie (aka Cordial Culinary Queen) was in charge of our tickets, and I didn't actually have a ticket in my hand. She has some "connections", and was able to get us on "Joni's list" for tickets, however, she was the only one that could physically pick them up from the MSG box office. Which in theory, was fine. The only "glitch" was that Maggie had to work in BOSTON until 4PM THE DAY OF THE SHOW!!!!! As it turned out, she got there on time, we connected, and I was in total Joni Heaven for the rest of the evening. In the few list reviews I did read, it seems that people have covered what she was wearing, set list, impressions and such, so I will just go into a few personal impressions as to what it meant for me. From the first set list post of this tour, I was in "craze mode", thinking I might hear DJRD again, live. You see, one of the 3 times I have seen Joni live was in Syracuse in 1977? (can anyone verify when this concert was?) At that concert, I heard 3 new songs that I hadn't heard before. One of them was DJRD, and I fell madly, completely, and totally in love with it. So, when she played it in New York, it brought back that entire time for me. (Just call me retro- woman!) It was SUCH a gift to me! The other thing that hit me really hard (and unexpectedly, I might add) is that I burst into tears when she played Night Ride Home. The beauty of that song, and the depth of the looks between Larry and Joni during it, were just overwhelming to me. Having twice gone through the pain and heartache of divorce, I just couldn't help but feel what incredible people these two were, to retain such a deep, loving friendship, after going through a breakup. I felt so very fortunate to be there with a fellow lister, who could really understand, and "be" there with me. All in all, it was a weekend that I am not likely to forget for a long time to come! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:44:19 EST From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Big Blue Moon --yes it was a night like this Hi Ashara, So great to see you and then Maggie too! Duane's was like your get together. FANTASTIC & ANGELS! How was that hotel BTW? I am now convinced that JONI live and Joni recorded are like Vincent's paintings and Vincent's Prints. Very little in common. Mrs. Chili and I are thinking of having a get together here at Garden House. It's a pretty cool place but who knows? It may be not until New Year's the year 2000. Is anyone interested? I know a little early, otherwise we're going to Hawaii. The Pay Per View was beautiful. We will be happy to lend our copy to you but you gotta pay shipping both ways. Sorry, but saving my warchest for more surgery. Kakki, I may have to come out to LA for this. Back op #4. But I am thinking this is the last resort. No pity needed, just send some good vibes if you care to. So glad to hear about Amy, Terry, Robbert, and my musical mom Marian's Excellent Adventure with the Joni. - -Bri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:48:00 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE: joni's birthday >Deb Messling wrote: >> >> So how many people are planning to celebrate Joni's birthday >> tomorrow? Are we wearing our Joni t-shirts, or will be it be too >> cold? I'm wearing my Turbulent Indigo T-shirt [courtesy Roberto] for the first time today! [though it's still a little chilly down here.] Tonight I'm hosting a little dinner party for bunch of local Joni freaks. We'll have "carbonada", a kind of meat and peach stew that's very traditional in these lands [it sounds kind of repulsive but it's really great!] I'm also celebrating Welsh soprano Gwyneth Jones' birthday today. I hope that neither Joni nor Gwyneth will put a Scorpion curse on me for making them share their birthday celebrations. HAPPY JONI DAY TO EVERYBODY!!!!!! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:53:11 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: PPV & JONI'S BIRTHDAY CARD At 05:38 PM 11/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Also, yesterday I Express-mailed Joni's birthday card from all of us >in the JM Internet Community. It arrived today at Joni's hotel in >Atlanta, where she checked in this evening. You can view a reproduction >of this year's birthday card at this address: > Wally, i really love this card! you did a great job! sincerely, heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:00:10 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: PPV At 11:06 PM 11/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >I did get it on tape, but not very good quality. I called my cable company >and bitched because the picture kept blinking....they tried to fiddle with >the signal, but it STILL wasn't great. So at least they're not charging my >account. But I could still see it, anyhow! And it's got more than a few >priceless moments! > and a big ME TOO! i was soooo disapointed at the quality from my cable company. AND my vcr crapped out! i was sooo mad i hit the table with, you guessed it, my hand with all the stitches in it .... i ran for the pain killers. here is my plea .... would someone be willing to tape this for me? i will send the blank tape out monday with return postage..... Heeeeeeelp me .... heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:02:17 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: PPV At 11:24 PM 11/6/98 EST, you wrote: >I kept looking for jmdl'ers in the audience. Wally, was that you behind Joni? >The only other person I recognized was a quick shot of Pearl. Where was >everyone?? > I saw wally, i saw mariana, i saw pearl, ..... (just like romper room) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 19:50:00 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: one big boo-hoo (NJC and self-indulgent and weepy) In an ironic turn of events, I celebrated Joni's birthday by having my cat Emma put to sleep. She had been going downhill, and today the vet said she was going into kidney failure. The house seems so empty. Ron saw my purse on the sofa, and thought it was Emma, and started to cry. You think you're prepared for stuff like this, but you're not. And you think that losing a sister would put losing a pet in perspective, but it doesn't. Good-bye little sweetie. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:02:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: one big boo-hoo (NJC and self-indulgent and weepy) Deb, losing a beloved pet is always painful. they give us so much unconditionally. You showed your love for her by letting her go. I believe this love will allow her to continue on and she will wait for you. She may even let you know she is around. Thankyou for taking such good care of her. love colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:12:54 PST From: "Barbara L" Subject: Birthday card Wally the card looks great. Thanks to all who made this happen and get delivered to Joni on this very special day. Thank you!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:15:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: More great shows in LA tonight (Joni-related) Arrr, decisions, decisions.... Tonight in L.A.: David Crosby and CPR with Marc Cohn - Wiltern Theatre 8 p.m. Mark Isham at the Dragonfly in Hollywood - 8 p.m. Jimmy Webb continues at the Cinegrill in Hollywood 9 and 11 p.m. Kakki, trying to aim for Crosby then Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 05:47:29 -0800 From: jussi Subject: "Blue" used CD, HDCD or not? hello, Once again I have found a seller with a used Joni CD. This time it's 'Blue'. I'm looking for the HDCD, as I already have the normal one. The seller can't see any HDCD logos on it, but says it was bought only a month ago and it had an orange sticker on it then. Would that be an indication that it's the HDCD version? Was it the "Blue" HDCD that didn't have any logos on it (except on the sticker) to indicate that it's the HDCD? - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:17:42 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Joni Today! Hi everyone! I met Joni today after her sound check, and like with all others, she was gracious and kind and friendly. I was able to wish her a happy birthday and give her an artsy photo holder with pics I have taken of her and her friends and colleagues, and me and her friends over time... She looks and sounds great, no residual of illness. More on the concert later... Love, Marsha, puttin' on the Ritz with the southern contingent of the jmdl PS--Joni did BOTH SIDES NOW as a second encore song. Larry brought out a BD cake and we all sang the BD song to her, she blew out the candles, and all our wishes will come true!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:54:15 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Joni in Atlanta What can I say about Joni's final show of this tour that has not been said? Much! Virtually sold out, as tickets were not offered at the box office when the gates opened... Set list: pay attention, it's different tonight! Big Yellow Taxi Just Like This Train Night Ride Home Free Man in Paris Harry's House Black Crow Amelia Hejira Song for Sharon "Bell" Happiness is the Best Face Lift Sex Kills Magdelene Laundies Trouble Man Comes Love Woodstock Both Sides Now!!!! Final bows, Joni collects about 10 bouquets of flowers up front, Larry brings out cake, we all sing and cry. Ok, I'll do the same thing all you regionals have done, and say the Atlanta audience was by far the most appreciative, polite, (with the exception of one "rude idiot"), and Attentive compared to others I have seen (5 other shows, including Chicago 2 weeks ago). The reason most likely for this was no alcohol served on this college campus. Joni did chide a guy who, was thrown out eventually for his yelling out "shut up!" to her during her explanation of the Magdalene Laundries. She then asked him again "What did you say?", and then "To each his own...I'm just as good as Bob...and you're an idiot...and a rude idiot!" Go Joni! She held her composure for all songs thereafter, as we held our breaths, and she was delighted at the audience's appreciative applause and whistles, and bouquets, and said she was getting "perverse pleasure" in doing "one more" song, which was Both Sides Now, and we loved it!!! It was melancholy, she stood without guitar, but accompanied by the band. It was in a lower key, pensive, slowed, and reflective, and how she says it should have always been sung.... God, what a special encore, hearing Joni on her 55th Birthday night sing Both Sides Now to us, looking back on a life she has shown to be uncompromising, honest, and full of "truth and beauty". I'll let others give more details about what she said in between songs, (she was chatty). Down to celebrate more with/for our Birthday Girl!!! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:55:49 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Washington Gratitude (NJC) I would like to take a moment to personally thank everyone in Washington for their gracious hospitality and good will. Specifically: Michael Yarborough, for whom it would not have been at all possible. For being a persistant logistics coordinator, astute friend, and for proving that wearing a blue pinstriped suit to a Joni concert validates her as a jazz singer. He's a handsome orchid in a sunny window. Please, if you will, thank Sean for his brilliant sense of humor. Barbara Burst, for whom The National Gallery's exhibit of VanGogh and the Phillips collection of winterscapes would not have happened. Calming, inspirational and nurturing (or were you just tired?). Thank you for your generous invitation, being my "answer" woman (Jeez, as if you don't enough of that at work), and well thought of friend. Sherrie Goode, for all of your genuinely warm hospitality. Exposing me to the faux zebra fur coordinated lamp and lampshade, a real first for me! I'm with you...loved the entire evening, especially your girlfriend (so sweet). Thank you both. Bill Dollinger, for your kindness, sincerity and bringing the Ross stuff along. For educating me to Ross (totally into that Hong Kong number), navigating the city and welcoming me into your new home. Nothing but good luck and happiness for you Bill. Now put your heart back in your chest, the ride is over! Jerry Notaro for the best damn vegetarian chili I've EVER had the pleasure of inhaling. Robert qp Hanna for direction (are you kidding?), for tolerating my snobbish and arrogant behavior, inviting me to Jr.'s., and for being a friend in spirit..... In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit that is! To all of you, and anyone I've inadvertently been remiss in leaving out, much peace and thanks. Duane Happy to be sleeping in his own bed. np: Joni doing Summertime, which could potentially turn me gay! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 23:19:20 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Joni Central This is bob m. in sc...only I'm not in sc, i'm on marsha's computer! "people will tell you where they've been...but til you get there yourself, you never really know... Excellent show - more later...Song For Sharon & Woodstock/Both Sides Now..encore We're going down to the bar - Botti & Klein are down there... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 00:10:09 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Joni in Atlanta - ---------- > From: Marsha > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: wallyb@well.come > Subject: Joni in Atlanta > Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 10:54 PM > > What can I say about Joni's final show of this > tour that has not been said? > > Set list: pay attention, it's different tonight! > > Big Yellow Taxi > Just Like This Train > Night Ride Home > Free Man in Paris > Harry's House > Black Crow > Amelia > Hejira > Song for Sharon "Bell"********* > Happiness is the Best Face Lift > Sex Kills > Magdelene Laundies > Trouble Man > Comes Love > Woodstock > Both Sides Now!!!!************ > Final bows, Joni collects about 10 bouquets > of flowers up front, Larry brings out cake, > we all sing and cry.********* > Marsha NOW I AM JEALOUS! A song for Sharon!!!!! that's one of my top favorites along with Both Sides Now!!!!!! I can't get through your post without at least one big BOO HOO!!!! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 01:53:11 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Our audience with SIQUOMB "If you want me, I'll be in the bar". And that's where we met and wished Joni Mitchell a VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! At the Ritz here we gathered briefly in my room, collected ourselves and thoughts about the wonderful concert we had just seen in Atlanta, and moseyed on downstairs with the hope that the "swinging hotspot" would be in our neck of the woods. We were not disappointed. On the elevator ride down was Greg L, Joni's pedal steel player. We complimented him, discussed the parts he played that moved us the most, and he was very pleased that we were that attentive to Black Crow, Amelia, and Both Sides Now...he said BSN was decided upon at the sound check and the band was sweating it tonight, as it the song was rather impromptu, but Joni wanted to do it. How glad we are she did! We offered to buy him a drink, and he said he was meeting "others in the band", but might take us up on it. AAAAaaahhhh. The hotel band was loud, the ballroom folks had just let out of their parties and were all over the place here that holds about 300 with sectioned areas. Greg joined Larry Klein and Chris Botti, seated on a couch with chairs and a coffee table in one of the more intimate rooms. We eventually got our table there, and knew we had to wait and hope Joni would eventually come down. She did in about 30 minutes. We appropriately kept our distance, did not approach, as we watched them order champagne. A couple celebrating their year anniversary seated next table over offered us their cake, so we vicariously enjoyed wedding/Joni birthday cake as we watched Joni get toasted and quietly raised our glasses to her too. I had a bottle of champagne sent over to Joni and her group. She turned and motioned a thanks, and I approached her group, did a congratulatory wish and compliment to the show, and was then caught in the tractor beam of her gaze as she made the connection to the mutual friend we have and expressed her surprise at how many shows I have attended of hers since May. Paul Ivice then joined us, Bob M came over, then John Lind, and Pearl surrounded Joni as she thanked us for coming to the show, and said she had not sung "Both Sides Now" in 30 years...(this is incredible to me...) but JONI MITCHELL NEVER LIES. We listened rapt as she talked about going to hear Mabel Mercer do a show in Manhattan (not sure when it was), and Mable did BSN. Joni said she told Mabel it was wonderful to hear it done by an "older person" at which Mable got offended. Joni laughed as she described Mabel's affect and large presence, and how she bristled at Joni calling her old. I think just about each of us got a word of thanks to her. Paul and others will share their conversations I hope, and I'll just close by saying that when we get our photos developed that she allowed us to take with her, we will share them with you. She signed my vinyl Hejira and Song to a Seagull. I am so happy for me and all jmdl'ers who have had the privilege to connect in person with Joni. I am in love shock right now and will post more later. SIQUOMB, isn't she? Marsha Doyle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 02:37:26 EST From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: No Apologies lyrics I don't know if anyone has already put this out there, but every time Joni sings "Freddie says that Juan thinks...." I think, "Kilauren says that Marlin thinks that I think (that man's) the devil...." This lyric sounds to me like something a young child might say after listening to the grown-ups around him.... "Does Grandma Joni think that man's the devil?" A great lead in to "What a lofty title for such a petty little man.." I'm falling more in love with the album with every listen. Karen Mc Karen Mc ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #466 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?