From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #464 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, November 6 1998 Volume 03 : Number 464 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (NJC) lefty/righty poll [Robert Holliston ] My night with Jimmy Webb and Brian Wilson (SJC) ["Kakki" ] Fw: From Michael Paz ["Kakki" ] Joni on vinyl ["Juerg Loeffler" ] Re: left/right (NJC) [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: (SJC) Jonatha Brooke in concert in Atlanta (long) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: "Blue" [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Joni on vinyl [Phyliss Ward ] Re: My night with ...(NJC) ["Barbara L" ] Hello! [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: NJC: lefty poll [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: educating Marieve (NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Joni's smoking and it's good ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Love from me (NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re:lefty/righty poll (NJC) ["Phil Klein" ] Re: You know you're a Joni addict when... -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson] Re: Joni's smoking and it's good [Dreamzvill@aol.com] PPV parody ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: You know you're a Joni addict when... [Dreamzvill@aol.com] College Park - Short But Sweet [Russ springham ] Anagrams (trivial JC) ["Phil Klein" ] Re: NJC: lefty poll [MHart16164@aol.com] Fwd: You know you're a Joni addict when... -Reply [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: You know you are a Joniholic . . . [Howard Motyl ] Re: Comes love special on CBC [Michael McCarthy & Gary Tagalog ] UK JMDLers - Jaco Pastorius article and radio prog (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.co] Jan Garbarek [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: Past lives - New Poll? (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Jimmy Webb Book (SJC) ["Kakki" ] Lucinda Willians on NPR this weekend (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Re: Jimmy Webb Book (NJC) ["Kakki" ] request for info [Marilune@aol.com] Joni in L.A. times [Marilune@aol.com] Glowing Praise of PPV/TTT from St Louis ["Don Rowe" ] Atlanta Ticket [Marsha ] joni addiction continued [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Jan Garbarek [jan gyn ] Sting Bio (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: joni addiction continued ["M & C Urbanski" ] lefty/righty poll [Jlgaertner@aol.com] joni's birthday ["Deb Messling" ] Re : Educating marieve... [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Re: Lame and Infuriating is Right... [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Re: (NJC) Jonatha Brooke [Jason Maloney ] Re: You know you are a Joniholic . . . [AUDRE60317@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Past lives - New Poll? [LRFye@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:28:14 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: (NJC) lefty/righty poll Righty Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:26:41 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: My night with Jimmy Webb and Brian Wilson (SJC) Oh what a night...! I know we have a few Jimmy and Brian fans here on the list, so please forgive me for sending a non-Joni review at this time. Jimmy Webb is playing 6 nights here at the Cinegrill, a small piano bar inside the beautiful and historic Hollywood Rooseveldt Hotel and tonight was the first chance I got to go see him. There were only about 60 people jammed in at little tables. I sat 12 inches behind Brian Wilson and his wife. Next to Brian was a familiar face I could not place. He and Brian talked about what Van Dyke Parks was up to these days. At one point Brian held up a small card to his wife saying in awe "look honey." The card said "Love you, Glen Frey". Also pointed out in the audience by Jimmy was his father, Bacharach partner Hal David, David Paich and Johnny Rivers. I felt like a very lucky L.A. girl. Jimmy is one of the greatest songwriters of our time. He has been a friend of Joni for a long time and has always considered her the greatest. She is mentioned no less than six times in his new book on songwriting "Tunesmith." He was fantastic tonight - just him and the piano playing all those beautiful songs. I was constantly feeling it right in the solar plexus. But the most amazing of all was MacArthur Park - an often scorned song. It is not even one of my favorites of his, but tonight it was the song that sucked all the air out of the room and left everyone just melting in their seats. Forget the familiar Richard Harris version. Listen to Jimmy's own on "Ten Easy Pieces". The audience sang along to "P.F. Sloan" and then he asked us to sing along on "Adios." I ended up being the sole accompaniment to him on that one! He came back for three encores. After the lights went up I asked Brian's wife if I could have an autograph from him. She was very kind and Brian seemed really happy to be recognized. Of course, my breaking the ice encouraged a few others to approach him, too, and it seemed very nice for him. Afterward we all went out into the hotel lobby and met with Jimmy. He was sincerely awed that Brian was there and thanked him for coming. He actually asked Brian if he minded taking a photo with him and expressed that he would like to work with him sometime. Not only Jimmy, but everyone treated Brian with great reverence and respect. It was very sweet, sweet, sweet. Jimmy is looking very good these days. He mentioned speaking to Carly today (hi colin ;-) I know you didn't care for his collaboration with Carly on Film Noir, but he adores her). He spent a long time talking with me and actually asked *me* if I would like a photo with him! He signed my copy of Tunesmith and I also got a signed message from him for our own Rob Jordan who was so kind to send me a tape of his appearance at the Jazz Cafe in London earlier this year. It was quite a Thursday night for a measly $15 cover! Now I'm anticipating more Joni stories - I had a voice mail message from JZ Webb when I got home that cryptically said nothing more than she was "at hotel and just saw Joni" (!!!) Kakki NP: Jimmy - In Cars ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:39:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: From Michael Paz I think Michael meant to send this to the list, too, so I am taking the liberty of forwarding it along. It is wonderful to hear that lots of relief is coming in for the hurricane victims. Kakki > Kakki-and the rest of the gang- > I am dead tired but happy. We raised over $150,000.00 for hurricane >relief last night. The jukebox crewe did a fantastic job. I can't >believe we pulled it off. They put me on camera alot and I had fun doing >that cause I am always behind the cameras (as in times). While I was on >in one segment, Dennis Quaid called in and talked to me and Susan >Roberts ( a really cool news lady from Ch 6). It was a blast! We talked >about my mom and Doc Heiman. He was in NYC sick in a hospital with food >poisoning and he still managed to call in. Of course I had to goof with >him a little, and asked him to put Meg on the phone. My sister also >called in and was interviewed. Between the telethon and all the news >crew interviews I have been in front of the camera so much, I'm thinking >of switching sides again. lol Anyways I will tell you more later as I >hope to continue to raise more money and send in several more waves of >med teams. If I don't hear from my friend Harlan soon I am going down >there looking for him. I am so behind on digests but I will catch up >one day. > >Love to all > >Michael > >The number to call and donate To IHC's relief fund is 504-566-9500 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:22:50 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Joni on vinyl Does anyone know which was the last Joni recording that was released on vinyl? Any newer than CMIARS? - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:12:49 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: left/right (NJC) In a message dated 98-11-05 21:53:02 EST, rob.jordan@which.net writes: << Well, Kakki, since you asked... it's a question a traditional gents tailor would ask when fitting a man for a pair of suit trousers. Get the picture? Rob >> rob, that was very well done. proper and polite. pj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:21:39 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (SJC) Jonatha Brooke in concert in Atlanta (long) In a message dated 11/6/98 2:17:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, docnurse@voy.net writes: << last November). For me, I think she is a one of the finest talenta out there >> Marsha, I had to idea you were Italian. Must be northern Italian with that blond hair. Paul Ivice (sometimes pronounced ee-VEECH-A) ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:52:00 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: "Blue" ive always thought of court and spark as spring. maybe car on a hill makes me think that. ti seems like winter to me. pj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:06:29 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni on vinyl I believe it is Night Ride Home. I have a copy of it so I know it is for sure available and I haven't seen or heard of anything else. Juerg Loeffler wrote: > Does anyone know which was the last Joni recording > that was released on vinyl? Any newer than CMIARS? > > - Juerg - - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:18:45 PST From: "Barbara L" Subject: Re: My night with ...(NJC) Kakki, Thanks for such a GREAT play by play of the evening. Brian Wilson . . .My brother got his first Beach Boy album when I was 3 years old and I've been singing harmonies ever since...you lucky girl. Barbara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:20:57 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Hello! Hello Kim - Welcome to the Joni list! I am also a homeschooling mother - are there any more of us out there? Think it has something to do with the feeling of independence and free thought and creativity that is so natural when one listens to Joni...:) Cheers, Susan C. Morro Bay, California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:25:50 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: lefty poll Hey all - I would love to know if anyone's read anything about personality differences between rightys and leftys. cheers, susan c. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:33:27 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: educating Marieve (NJC) Kakki - Did you notice; a slip of your keystroke renamed a famous operetta "The Pirates Of Penance". I laughed long and hard - it sounds like, maybe a Recovering Catholics group? A bunch of altar boys gone seriously astray? Thanks for the unintentional humor (sometimes the best kind!) :) Love and giggles, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:48:52 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Joni's smoking and it's good College Park Maryland November 5th, 1998 -Julie Z. Webb We waited and waited for Joni Mitchell to take center stage....Bill Dollinger and I, that is. We were nervous. We were in the first row, center stage in somebody elses seats. We had heard that at previous shows, Joni started minutes after her warm-up act. Tonight was different. Rumor had it---that she was stuck on the Beltway. It's my guess that she came on some 40 minutes later. This gave me time to work the crowd. Who were these people in the super-expesive seats. I am a people-watcher from way back. I was not one of the Joni Mitchell Internet reporters, so I was free to represent no one---but my bold-ass, curious self. I wanted to know who these particular fans came to see, Dylan or Joni, so I asked around. People volunteered how much they paid scalpers for their seats. People told me about why they love Joni and which albums were their favorites. Dylanites gave me a countdown of how many times they've seen him in concert. Teens were asking me about Joni's music .... Heck, I was having a good ol' time conducting my own Joni Mitchell mini-focus group in rows 2 and 3. Many of the men said that they came to see Dylan, except for the "NBC"guy in the third section/first seat, but it was your average, middle-aged women who kept piping in that they were there to see Joni Mitchell. Have to say that it was Yuppyville personified at this concert. Just like me, this was a "first concert in 12 years" for many of the fortysomething folks I chatted with. Everyone wanted to know more about the jmdl, and we're intrigued to discover that a place to talk Joni existed! It was 10 times more surreal ---and gratifying to communicate in the flesh with Joni fans in person as opposed to on line! (Gave me a new appreciation for a Jonifest on a big scale.) Later on, I looked out on the sea of Joni's fans singing softly along with Joni, and I was moved. I wonder if Joni was able to see from the stage, what I witnessed tonight. Bill and I were still anxiously waiting to see how long our luck would last in the first row/center, and the then finally the house lights went dim. We had known that Dylan groupies dominated the first row, so when Joni came out to the sounds of "Big Yellow Taxi," we screamed our heads off, and she looked right down at Bill and me! She smiled at us so sweetly, looking genuinely grateful for our shouts and chants, "JONI, JONI!!!!" How did Joni look? Radiant! She appeared a good 15 years younger than 54....She is even more beautiful in person. It's always been my feeling that long shining hair adds youthfulness to certain types of women. Im glad Joni seems to agree. Tonight she wore her hair parted in the middle and straight, still looking like the Joni we all fell in love with so many years ago. She wore a crushed velvet, avocado tunic with a matching, floor-length skirt. Her color choices of warm bronze and rich muted greens seem to reflect the sunny Autumn day we had today in DC. As usual she managed to convey a sense of artistic elegance and hippness unmatched by anyone I've ever known. During the end of 'Taxi,' my front-row seat was taken by a Joni-lovin' couple, armed with roses, and my heart sunk as I thought about the drudgery of heading back to the primo location of the 15th row on the floor, where I had abandoned my husband. But Im a lucky person, well maybe not as lucky as those jmdlers in Detroit, but, by gawd, I found an unoccupied aisle seat in the third row!!! Joni, of course, did her Dylan impersonation, during "Taxi", and I looked around at some of my "neighbors" who had strongly admitted that they were there to see Dylan, and they LOVED hearing her doing Dylan! (A very clever way to win over the Dylanheads from the start, I might add.) She yelled, "Thank you Washington!!!" Before Joni started "Just Like This Train," she began describing getting over the flu, and apologizing to the audience, as I heard requests for her oldies being shouted out. "I'm flemmish, what can I say, I have the sniffles," she said very good-naturedly....as if to say, "bear with me here for a minute....Ill do whatever I can do best tonight." However, from where I sat, and I was close, she didn't appear the least bit sick, and her voice sounded terrific. Im not going to bore you with the same descriptions you've already read about in other reports reviewing her overall, well-rehearsed, cookie-cutter list set. Although the band was extaordonary, and it was interesting for me to hear the unique spin they put on Joni's music----I may have incorrectly sensed, with Joni, there was a sort of "going through the motions" energy, which, in retrospect, seemed more like foreplay, compared to later on in the set. Joni sung the same songs she did in Rochester. Hejira was awesome, of course. She left out "Free Man." And you know that I loved hearing them all, especially "Black Crow," which I swear sounded more like Bryan Thomas's version of "Black Crow." (For those of you who haven't heard the jmdl Tribute Tape----jmdler Bryan Thomas, sang a R&B version of "Black Crow," which was sent to Joni last year.) Look, Im no music writer, and her voice DOES sound different, but during the concert, once Joni abandoned herself and gave into the improvisational energy of "Troubled Man," it was then that I got "it." The best was yet to come... Instead of longing to hear "Blue" again, something more rich and golden and jazzy and sexy had emerged and... It worked. The people around me thought so too. Some of the women in my row, who I befriended, came to hear "Help Me" and instead, were completely seduced by "Troubled Man"------because, when Joni put down that VG 8, which, seems to block a lot of her electric, expressive energy, for me at least, ---this is when the whole room could sense---that Joni Mitchell had finally ***arrived.*** . From the back of the stage, she came forward giving us her womanly, "bad-ass"-attitude-strut. (To see and feel the utter sexual soulfulness of this woman--- come off so compellingly electric was spellbinding-----and the audience was at a standstill.) Her stance said that she was in charge, and had somethin' to say. She raised out her arms, snapped her fingers and swayed her hips to accentuate Marvin Gaye's lyrics. I thought to myself, "you go girl, Joni-----54 years old and still torching the place!" The message was clear. She's not getting older, she's getting better. Once again she is on the cutting edge of capturing and defining another boomer's zeitgeist: I was inspired and so was every other over-40 year old woman at the concert. If Joni can still have "it" at 54, then so can we! Vavoom..........taming what tiger? Certainly not hers. Mitchell managed to empower the woman in *all* of us. The man in front of me looked gaaagaaa. Joni was smmmmmmmokin' and her cigarette couldn't have complimented the moment better....it was like a metaphor. After she finished "Comes Love," everyone looked as if they could use a cigarette. The woman next to me, asked me "Now how OLD is she? Gosh does she look good, and whooooa can she sing." -Julie Z. Webb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:43:59 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Love from me (NJC) Hi beautiful peoples on the JMDL - I just wanted to let you know how much I love you all. I was having a rough day yesterday and reading all your great posts cheered me right up. Thank you!!! Love and hugs, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:53:06 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re:lefty/righty poll (NJC) I've got to preface this with a statement that the results are never going to be statistically significant (oops, sorry), but I'm right handed. Mostly. Except I play guitar, which means I have long nails on my right hand, so there are certain things, some of which I do for myself and and some I do for somebody else, which I do left handed. Ahem. And I dress to the left. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:59:02 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: My night with Jimmy Webb and Brian Wilson (SJC) Kakki - How did you know that I'd been DYING to know whatever happened to Jimmy Webb!!!!!!! Thank you for the great report...he's one of the best songwriters EVER, in my opinion. What is "Tunesmith"; an auto/biography? I used to go to alot of club shows in LA - it's amazing who shows up, sometimes. Even as far north as Ventura (sat next to Kris Kristofferson at a Steve Earle show, one time...). Now that I'm a little further north, I'm looking forward to club-crashing in the Santa Cruz-to San Francisco scene. Havin' a fabulous Friday.... Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:05:18 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re: You know you're a Joni addict when... How about these: 1. When you visit a zoo, you go to the reptile house first, to see if they've got a Tequila Anaconda. 2. You customise your screensaver, so that when you boot up in windows 3.1 it says "Sweet chords rose up in waxed New England Halls", and when you boot up in NT, it says "The time to watch the beast the best is when its purring at your side", and everybody who sees it says "Tchoh! I suppose they're Joni Mitchell lyrics" 3. You watch a movie on TV starring Warren Beattie, and try to work out if it was made at the same time he was shagging Joan. Lordy Lordy, Auntie Maudie... Have a good weekend, Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:15:02 -0500 From: "Barbara Burst" Subject: directions to sherrie's? NJC i seem to have misplaced my directions. if anyone has 'em still, could you please e-mail 'em to me? thanks, b. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:16:58 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: You know you're a Joni addict when... -Reply I'm beating you all. Y.K.Y.A.J.A. when....you offer your middle daughter who has long blonde hair $5 to work as the waitress for the Joni PPV evening and dress as "mini-Joni." (actually, I called it "Joni Spice" to add an alluring edge for her.....) MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:20:33 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's smoking and it's good hey JulieZ - Great concert review!!! Regarding your description of Joni bein' her badass self during "Trouble Man" and "Comes Love"..... That is what Scorpio does best. Mystery, allure, and intense sexuality! Love, *la susana* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:25:33 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: PPV parody At the far end of the living room By the speakers & TV There's a box that's perched there waiting I can't help how I feel The kids Ran away With their skates & roller blades! I can have some piece & quiet While my show plays on through the night They're showing Joni So classy With her art work eyeball delight VG8 sound STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS The show is about to begin It's Joni on pay per view Step right in Classy Joni See her playing With her VG8 Hoochie-Coochie Joni junkie is gonna cry If VCR Decides to crap out and die! THAT'S ALL FOLKS! Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:27:01 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: You know you're a Joni addict when... Warren Beatty shagged Joan??? (Phil's words; reminds me of Austin Powers...) Gosh, I do have alot to learn. Thanking everyone for all the lusty lessons I've learned this morning, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 12:13:22 -0800 From: Russ springham Subject: College Park - Short But Sweet Hey Now Joniphiles, I'm at work the day after the Cole Field House show. What a great time. Joni was in an upbeat mood and happy throughout......BUT.......she seemed to be suffering from some flu-like symptons. She said she was "flemish" as a kind of joke. We had 8th row center seats and the sound was perfect. She was not distracted by the people getting to seats late, but I was afraid she would be. She did get pesterred by a fly a couple of times. She was apologetic and even said, towards the end, that she felt she "short changed" us. Oh well......short change me any day, we had a ball. She did the shortest set list so far. For those keeping track it was the first time she cut out anything in the early part of the show. To our dismay she did not do Free Man in Paris, as well as, she did not do DJRD, Face Lift or Moon at the Window. The set lists are getting shorter, I believe she is tired. But heck, she was wonderful! We laughed, we cried, we hugged, I saw at least 10-12 friends from all different phases of my life there. The only other full show I've seen was at Merriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia MD in 1983, and it was awesome. I just got a tape of it last week, only took me 15 years to get that tape. I taped last night on a small walkman type deck, sounds like crap, but a friend of mine taped also and I heard it on the car stereo afterwards and it sounded good. I've got 10+ Joni bootlegs, does anyone out there trade tapes? The only history I have to admit to is that in 197?, I think '76, maybe '77 or '78, I bought 9 tickets to see Joni and the LA Express at Cole Field House and she played 1/2 of the song "Help Me" and threw down her guitar and ran off stage. We were freaked, they came out and told us she was sick and we could get our money back.....what a bummer! She's also cancelled a couple other times when she was scheduled to play around these here parts (Maryland, DC) over the past 25 years. I still love her though, she was beautiful last night, green velor, blond, smiles, sweet guitar. This is my first post on the List.....this is a banner year for Joni and all of us, I hope she keeps going for a long time to come. Gotta get that new video, I don't have cable so I can't see it tonight.....damn! Peace to everybody.....Russ Here's the list: 11-5-98 Cole Field House College Park, MD - --------------------- Big Yellow Taxi Just Like This Train Night Ride Home Crazy Cries of Love Harry's House Black Crow Amelia Hejira Sex Kills The Magdalene Laundries Trouble Man Comes Love E: Woodstock PS Love the shirts, got the TTT & TI, passed on Face Lift. Got a Dylan/Joni tye die in the parking lot for $10 - way cool. PPSS Dylan was sharp.....Tangled Up, Mr Tambourine and Don't Think Twice were NICE! Peace & Love to All ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:13:36 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Anagrams (trivial JC) OK, after I send this I'm definitely going home. But, out of Hissing of Summer Lawns, you can get: Smiling fun, or wash mess? One for Monica there, I think. Haven't had time to do much more, except you can find "Tiger" in Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo. Anyone want to run with this? Bye Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:28:28 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: lefty poll As far as the differences between righty's and lefty's-- Left-handed people are the only ones in their RIGHT minds... Oh yea, I'm a lefty. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:30:21 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Fwd: You know you're a Joni addict when... -Reply This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_910373422_boundary Content-ID: <0_910373422@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_910373422_boundary Content-ID: <0_910373422@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MHart16164@aol.com Return-path: To: MGV1@valley-media.com Subject: Re: You know you're a Joni addict when... -Reply Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:29:54 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-11-06 11:19:18 EST, you write: <> You win the joni addict of the PPV club! LOL - --part0_910373422_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:44:16 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: You know you are a Joniholic . . . You know you are a Joni addict when you get emails like this from friends: >Subject: >blue >Date: >Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:00:54 EST > > Hi hon, > > I had Joni's Blue on the CD player this morning and it just filled the house - > and made me think of you. That has to be the best album ever, the songs just > inhabit you after awhile. > Have a good weekend. I love you. > > Ber Nuff said. Howard M NP: The telephone is ringing "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:37:41 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: educating Marieve (NJC) Paul - Re: "Pirates Of Penance"... oooooppppsss, she stammers, blushing furiously.... Told ya I was new to all this. Now you all know how unschooled I am in Joni- ism! :( Nope, I've never heard the tune...I only had Blue, and my new husband had Ladies Of The Canyon, Miles Of Aisles, Court & Spark, and Night Ride Home (listening to all of them alot, trying to catch up...). Well, I'll have to thank Joni for making me laugh when I heard that title. Cheers, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 98 19:09:38 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: The Story of Three Loves on TCM 4PM (ET) today Not alot of notice, I know, but... The Story of Three Loves, a movie that Joni has often referred to in interviews as a turning point in her life (because of the soundtrack), is on the Turner Classic Movie channel today at 4pm (eastern). Unfortunately, according to the schedule on the TCM website, it doesn't look like it will be repeated this month. -Kenny ============================================ The Story of Three Loves (***)(1953) A ballerina risks her life; a governess is wooed by her charge; an aerialist finds a new partner. Directed by: Vincente Minnelli. With: Moira Shearer, Leslie Caron, Kirk Douglas, Pier Angeli, Ethel Barrymore, Farley Granger, James Mason, Agnes Moorehead, Zsa Zsa Gabor. C 122m. =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:32:31 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: The Story of Three Loves on TCM 4PM (ET) today This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_910380752_boundary Content-ID: <0_910380752@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_910380752_boundary Content-ID: <0_910380752@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Return-path: To: kg@ibm.net Subject: Re: The Story of Three Loves on TCM 4PM (ET) today Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:23:48 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks! I'm gonna check this out! Sounds like my kind of movie. When I was quite young, I was greatly influenced by movies with dancers and/or artists, esp "Moulin Rouge" (the story of Toulouse-Lautrec). I feel like I must have lived during that time period. Susan C. - --part0_910380752_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:38:46 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Past lives - New Poll? Which brings me to the next question: What if we had a poll in which we each said what time period in history we think we may have lived in before, or would have liked to??? Just a thought.....Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:45:29 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: TTT-Review From the Montreal Gazette, Saturday Oct.31 by Mary Lamey For those awaiting Court and Spark II or Return to Blue, the vigil continues. Mitchell has long since said goodbye to the pop accessibility of those songs and moved into uncharted territory where nothing so obvious as a tune helps hapless listeners find their way. This is not to say that TTT is without its quiet pleasures. Mitchell's much anticipated follow-up to the Grammy-winning Turbulent Indigo is loaded with vivid imagery, humour, anger and passion. With Mitchell, certain themes are eternal. She offers us pointed meditations on being an outsider to love, the music business and dull convention. She uses humour to get her point across, as on acerbic Face Lift, with its chorus "Happiness is the best face lift". Man From Mars, another song from the Grace of My Heart soundtrack, appears aimed at an ex-beau, but in fact was written for an ex-cat. Mitchell lets her guard down long enough to sing the excitement of new romance on The crazy Cries of Love and offers up a valentine, although in angular mitchell fashion, on My Best To You. The words, as is always the case with Mitchell, are bright, poetical and snap-shot clear. The opening Harlem in Havana has "playing Night Train so snakey, and "black girls dancing long and leggy" in the shadow of a double Ferris wheel. If only the music were as vivid. Once again, Mitchell has wrapped her words in amorphous musical settings. Her open tunings on the guitar, floating keyboards, Wayne Shorter's noodley saxophone and Greg Liesz's "peddle" (sic) steel guitar add up to arrangements that are awash in atmosphere and short on melody. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:50:08 -0800 From: Michael McCarthy & Gary Tagalog Subject: Re: Comes love special on CBC Jeanne M Whitlock wrote: > On to the teaser in the subject line here--for anyone who gets CBC, the > Windsor, Ontario CBC station is airing a special called "Comes Love" on > Sunday the 8th from 9 to 10. The program note says the singer-songwriter > Joni Mitchell performs. Anyone know anything more?? Did anyone else in Canada notice today's "TV Times" ad headlined "Exclusive Engagement! The Queen of folk [!] performs some of her greatest hits. Joni Mitchell Tonight at 9" The ad's photo of Joni is one I especially like, from the TI promo era, I think. Joni's wearing a beanie on her head, a simple shirt and a studded belt, .Her hair is straight; big wide smile on her face, head tilted slightly to the left, and with one arm over the other thing. Funny thing is, I think she's (of course) smoking. But the politically correct Canadian Broadcasting Corp. has airbrushed the ciggie out of the photo. The listing reads: JONI MITCHELL: COMES LOVE The singer performs and explains her philosophy on life. (??) Question: How long were the two concerts in the studio? BTW: The ad features Sunday's other big event on the CBC: "In My Life", Beatles producer George Martin's reinterpretations of his fave Fab-4 tunes. The photo features Canada's other reigning Diva, Céline, who (kinda kinky) seems to be sitting in Sir George's lap. What a fun night! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:29:29 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Past lives - New Poll? I'm full thanks. this one is enough Dreamzvill@aol.com wrote: > Which brings me to the next question: > What if we had a poll in which we each said what time period in history we > think we may have lived in before, or would have liked to??? > Just a thought.....Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:47:41 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: UK JMDLers - Jaco Pastorius article and radio prog (NJC) Don't have the time or scanner to reproduce it , but today's Independent (6/11/98) includes an article on page 13 of the review section about Jaco Pastorius. It's trailing a Radio 3 broadcast "Punk-Jazz - a portrait of Jaco Pastorius" to be broadcast on 14 November at 6 pm (assuming they've got their facts right). David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:47:35 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Jan Garbarek Catching up with digests I found your NP mention of Jan Garbarek for 1/11/98 - is 12 moons the latest album? What's it like? I think Jan Garbarek and Joni would make interesting collaborators - but I haven't the faintest idea what they would do together - unless some of Don Juan's Restless Daughter is a clue. Regards David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:01:21 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Past lives - New Poll? (NJC) Folks, I know I have a reputation as a cranky curmudgeon, but can we PLEASE remember to use the NJC tag when appropriate? No one's trying to censor any threads -- let's just label them properly. Thanks. > Which brings me to the next question: > What if we had a poll in which we each said what time period in history we > think we may have lived in before, or would have liked to??? > Just a thought.....Susan C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:53:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb Book (SJC) Susana asked: >What is "Tunesmith"; an auto/biography? It is primarily a quite comprehensive book on the art of songwriting. But he uses many wonderful anecdotal and biographical stories throughout the book to describe some common mistakes that some (including himself) make/made while trying to sell their songs and maneuver throught the music biz. There are also a few "Like Joni told me years ago, da da da" and "Joni Mitchell always da da da." He relates many little stories from now and the old days which include Carly, Crosby, Johnny Rivers, Sting and many others. It is a great book. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Lucinda Willians on NPR this weekend (NJC) For those of you so inclined: ANTHEM with Renee Montagne and Rick Karr Sunday 11/10/98 1-3PM EST Lucinda Williams tells us what it means for a little girl to hear "car wheels on a gravel road" and other stories on her newest CD of the same name. You'll also hear a story about a first job out of college that doesn't live up to expectations, and a view of favorite web sites. Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 21:07:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb Book (NJC) Jimmy Webb worked with Carly Simon on Fim Noir last year. personally I do not care for it but there we are! Apart from that i don't know much about him. Did he write MacArthur Park? colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:03:14 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jimmy Webb Book (NJC) colin asked: >Jimmy Webb worked with Carly Simon on Fim Noir last year. personally I do not care for it but there we are! Apart from that i don't know much about him. Did he write MacArthur Park? Yes, and many other classics. For more information you should check out his website at www.jimmywebb.com - plus he has Carly all over it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:17:59 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: request for info i'm on the elliott smith mailing and we're doing a compilation cd, kind of like the "tape of you" the jmdl did a while back. so i'm supposed to contribute two songs but i need a recorder. either my pop'll have to lend me his dictaphone (he's a lawyer) or i'll have to buy one. i need some info on this. i'd like to record soon as possible... - -mariana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:19:03 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Joni in L.A. times there's a small close up of Joni and an ad for the PPV special tonight at the bottom of page 2 of today's L.A. times. sorry i can't make it out to watch it with all yoos, but my friend ev's band is playing in hollywood and i feel i should go and support 'em. - -marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 13:28:14 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Glowing Praise of PPV/TTT from St Louis This appears in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. I, for one, am thrilled!!! - -- Don Rowe ______________________________________________________________________ 2 Joni Mitchells - on TV and album - are both worthwhile Friday, November 6, 1998 By Ray Mark Rinaldi\ Of The Post-Dispatch There are two Joni Mitchells out there these days. One that's secure, satisfied and serious. The other, well, you don't want to mess with her. Meet the gentle Joni tonight during "Painting With Words and Music," the legendary artist's interesting foray into the world of Pay-Per-View TV. Or dance with the dark Joni on "Taming the Tiger," her new, and 19th, album. Both are rare offerings from an artist who has been something of a recluse in recent years. And both are pleasing efforts - though one can get a little angry. With "Taming the Tiger" Mitchell (after three decades of performing) shows some new sides. She actually gets sentimental on "Man From Mars," and she offers an unusual instrumental number with "Tiger Bones." But what stands out is Mitchell's venting. She's always been famous for protest songs (remember "Big Yellow Taxi," the song mixed into Janet Jackson's last hit?). But this time there's an edge. She takes on the power brokers in "No Apologies," a song that contends lawyers are "laying America to waste." In the title track she pummels the hypocritical music business where "one false move and you're a goner." As for new records, they stink ("every disc/a poker chip," she sings) As for successful new artists, they can stink, too ("Formula Music/Girlie guile/Genuine Junkfood/Juvenile"). Who can blame Joni for being bitter? For the last 20 years, she's put out amazing material and scored Grammy victories. Still, she's locked into the public consciousness as the aging hippie who sang "Circle Game" in 1969. Critics pine for the old stuff, or worse, ignore her, all the while dubbing every new female "the next Joni Mitchell." Radio wouldn't touch her and she hardly registers in the on-going pop culture discussion we all seem to be having. But let her steam. It's good for the rest of us. "Taming the Tiger" is full of little masterpieces. Mitchell does the producing, a return to the glory days of "Hejira" and "Court and Spark." The result is an honest and daring album. The highlights: the exotic "Harlem in Havana," the sexy "Crazy Cries of Love" and a cynicism-free cover of the Sons of the Pioneer's "My Best to You." Optimism prevails as well on the TV show, a charming evening spent with a relaxed pro. Mitchell designed the set, herself in the center and her audience around her on sofas. With ex-husband Larry Klein playing bass, she pulls out favorites like "Woodstock" and "Taxi" and performs four songs from the revered "Hejira." She covers Billie Holiday's "Comes Love" and Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." Her guitar playing and her singing have never been better, and the arrangements add new tricks to familiar material. This is a fan-friendly show that lets Mitchell hold the line creatively while remaining accessible to those who only know the old stuff. Joni Mitchell's television special, "Painting With Words and Music," airs at 8 tonight on Pay-Per-View. Check with your local cable company for availability. Copyright (c) 1998, St. Louis Post-Dispatch ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:26:50 -0500 From: Marsha Subject: Atlanta Ticket If anyone needs a ticket to the Joni performance in Atlanta, email me. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:43:03 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: joni addiction continued you know your a joni addict when 1. you become some sniveling, shaky mess (like something out of a burroughs novel) when you don't get your next joni fix.... or 2. you move into a house with other like minded people, legally change your names to bob joni mitchell, julie joni mitchell, marsha joni mitchell, don joni mitchell..., wear matching tastefull outfits belted at the waist with some kinda south-western looking belt, conduct seminars and market self-help books in joniology, name the next major comet the 'joni-star', wait for it's arrival (or as we would say- the "urge for going") with an extra copy of 'blue' and several packs of cigarettes on hand for the journey (or as we would say "hejira") to meet the 'joni-star' and in general look for signs that the appending Hejira was about to happen.... 'and ye shall see 6 jet streams across a sky as red as meat in the shape of a hexagram-" you know- prophetic stuff like that when that happens and the joni-star appears we will drink tequila anacondas, throwing our empty glasses down, until we board our 'big yellow taxi"...... you know the story.... d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 14:45:17 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Jan Garbarek Jan Garbarek & Joni sounds like an interesting pairing: they both have beautifully peculiar 'voices'. Add Don Alias on congas, Ry Cooder on various slide guitars and polyrhythmic scratcher Kid Koala on turntables. Let simmer until the critics boil. - -jan >I think Jan Garbarek and Joni would make interesting collaborators - but I >haven't the faintest idea what they would do together - unless some of Don >Juan's Restless Daughter is a clue. >Regards >David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:44:58 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Sting Bio (NJC) Has anyone read the fairly new Sting biography? Worth getting? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:04:24 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: joni addiction continued - ---------- > From: Wolfebite@aol.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: joni addiction continued > Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 5:43 PM > > books in joniology, name the next major comet the 'joni-star', wait for it's > arrival (or as we would say- the "urge for going") with an extra copy of > 'blue' and several packs of cigarettes on hand for the journey (or as we would > say "hejira") to meet the 'joni-star' and in general look for signs that the > appending Hejira was about to happen.... > > 'and ye shall see 6 jet streams across a sky as red as meat > in the shape of a hexagram-" > > you know- prophetic stuff like that > > when that happens and the joni-star appears > we will drink tequila anacondas, throwing our empty glasses down, until we > board our 'big yellow taxi"...... > > you know the story.... > > > d. > Is this a story you're working on for the 2nd annual JMDL writers' contest? I think you should develop it! I started writing one about the planet of SIQUOMB. The two could work together...The old prophet before he dies says a queen will be born to lost inhabitants of SIQUOMB; gathering them together with her music. Their goal is to get themselves back to the garden (Also know as SIQUOMB). Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 18:14:10 EST From: Jlgaertner@aol.com Subject: lefty/righty poll Lefty...my right hand is just there for aesthetics. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:07:11 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: joni's birthday So how many people are planning to celebrate Joni's birthday tomorrow? Are we wearing our Joni t-shirts, or will be it be too cold? And what are people serving for their PPV parties? Chateau Margaux? Apple Oink? I am poaching chicken in apple juice; is that close enough? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:45:00 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Re : Educating marieve... Paprika Plains is a definite (IMHO) michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html On the other hand You have 5 fingers!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:45:03 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Re: Lame and Infuriating is Right... Hi all To me,writing a song is akin to germinating a seed. You now have a seedling but if it will grow or not depends on many factors. What this tree will actually look like in 10 or 20 years is anybody's guess.Artists will change their songs for many reasons such as ,the mood they are in at the time as we have heard with Joni doing Sex Kills,playing a certain song with a different instrument or just the fact that their playing style has evolved. Many many reasons.A song ,as long as it is played, is a living, evolving thing. < > Why do both Joni and Bob change the melodies < > of their songs both in rhythm and harmony when < > they play live? Putting my hand up as a righty Michael michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html On the other hand You have 5 fingers!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:41:06 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: (NJC) Jonatha Brooke Marsha, Well, I have only recently discovered the wonderful Jonatha. In England, she isn't very well-known (try getting her CDs here, and you'll see what I mean), but a net-freind of mine from the US included two of her songs on a compilation tape they made for me. I simply fell in love with those songs, and her voice, immediately. I now have my own copy of 10 cent wings (I begged my US friend to find a copy for me!), and have Plumb on order thanks to another US net-friend. Jonatha's website is very impressive too......I guess I have a "thing" for articulate, melodic female artists (I bought 4 Sarah McLachalan albums in one day last month!). Jason, who dresses to the right (as long as there isn't a strong breeze). Marsha wrote: > > Jonatha Brooke (formerly of The Story) just > performed a solo acoustic set at Smith's > Olde Bar in Atlanta, and we were fortunate > to hear 15 beautiful songs. I am blown away > by this woman every time I see her (3 since > last November). > For me, I think she is one of the finest talenta > out there for intelligent lyrics, accomplished > playing (with alternate tunings and chord/ > rhythm shifts that match SIQUOMB's, as well > as a controlled and gorgeous voice. > > News from her label/marketing front: she was > dropped by MCA and is doing the independent > thing like Ani DiFranco and Jane Siberry. I met her, > and she said she might call Ani to get info on > pitfalls, etc. This further example of a > female artist being mistreated by a major > label sickens me for Jonatha, as I think > she is a monumental talent. > In 3 weeks her new "Jonatha Live" will be > offered by her website and at: > 1-877-FOR-BAD-DOG > This is going on my gift list to distribute > to friends for Christmas. > Jonatha was gracious to pose for pics and > sign autographs. I gave her some photos of her > I took in Los Angeles and Atlanta. > When I mentioned our Fred Simon (Hi, Fred!), > and how I knew he introduced Jonatha to Ingrid > Graudins, her accompanist, she smiled and said, > "Yes, and Fred never lets me forget it!" > > I adore Jonatha. Those of you unfamiliar with > her might recognize the breathy "GoodYear... > GooohoodYear" tire ditty she does nationally. > I fear she will be relegated to the Joni Mitchell > Shrine of Our Ladies of the Under-rated/Under- > appreciated Church of the CD Discount Bin. Amen. > Your Mouth O' the South signing off, > Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:08:22 EST From: AUDRE60317@aol.com Subject: Re: You know you are a Joniholic . . . You know your a joni addict when..... you don't care what your 16 year old daughter is doing tonight between 9p & 11p , even if she's with her boyfriend. Lord help me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:05:25 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Past lives - New Poll? La Susana wrote: > What if we had a poll in which we each said what time period in history we think we may have lived in before, or would have liked to??? Since I was very young I've had the "memory" of being a hungry boy somewhere (India? Egypt?). Due to this I rarely take more food that I know I can finish and I always try to clean my plate. I believe strongly that wasting food is one of the greatest sins. When I was 10, I traveled to Gettysburg, PA, for the first time and had the overwhelming impression that I had been Jennie Wade, a civilian woman who was accidently killed during the Civil War. The 1860s remain my favorite period of American history. A good friend of mine studies past lives and does regressions. She thinks I was her horse when she was a Native American boy, and she says that explains why when I'm driving and someone else is in my car I don't pay good attention to what's going on -- essentially, my "rider" is navigating. (I'm an excellent driver when I'm alone in the car.) Looking forward to Ashara's input on this thread, Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #464 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?