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JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 460
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http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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lefty/righty...a new poll [some millers ]
stevie/lindsey SJC [Evian ]
A Dream Come True! [M.Russell@iaea.org]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll ["M & C Urbanski" ]
The Book [Jamie Zubairi ]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll (njc) ["Deb Messling" ]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Rochester, NY [KCooper984@aol.com]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #454 [Debra Kaufman ]
Re: stevie/lindsey SJC [PMcfad@aol.com]
Lame and Infuriating is Right... [Daniel Parker ]
RE: Decals, smoking, Dylan [Louis Lynch ]
Feedback about the Joni Digest ["Kim Korman Brown" ]
Re: Feedback about the Joni Digest [Jerry Notaro ]
Joni Crosses the Street ["Don Rowe" ]
RE: lefty/righty...a new poll -NJC [Mary Grace Valentinsson ]
Re: You Know When..... [Howard Motyl ]
RE: You Know When..... [Jamie Zubairi ]
Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers ["John M. Lind" ]
Fwd: Ape of the planets ... (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: New Joni ["John M. Lind" ]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll -NJC [RickieLee1@aol.com]
TTT in Rolling Stone? [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: New Joni ["Don Rowe" ]
RE: TTT in Rolling Stone? [Michael Yarbrough ]
Re: New Joni(LJC) ["John M. Lind" ]
Re: Bonnie RAitt [PMcfad@aol.com]
Re: Bonnie RAitt (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Re: New Joni ["John M. Lind" ]
Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV) [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV) -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ]
You know you're a Joni addict when ... [Bounced Message ]
H.elp with (beginner) Joni Quiz [Bounced Message ]
Buckingham/Mitchell? (Now VLJC) [Jason Maloney ]
Re: Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV) [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: Rochester, NY ["Kakki" ]
Re: New Joni ["Kakki" ]
Joni and contemporary music [Evian ]
Discovering DJRD [Evian ]
Allison Moyet (NJC) [Evian ]
Re: Allison Moyet (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: me and joni, deep kisses and the sun going down.... [RickieLee1@aol.c]
Re: You know you are a Joni addict when... [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: lefty/righty...a new poll (njc) [Marian Rulewski
Subject: lefty/righty...a new poll
howdy-
i'd like to test a hypothesis. me thinks the jmdl likely has a greater than
average concentration of left handed members. the average population has an
only one in nine. curious to see how this group is comprised. i'll start.
i'm a lefty. how about you?
love,
paul
s.bethlehem, ny
np jimmie dale gilmore, paul kelly & the messengers, yothu yindi, robbie
robertson & the red road ensemble, and the flatlanders (again a 5 disc
random mix into headphones).
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 02:18:12 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: stevie/lindsey SJC
> one sounds like champagne and one sounds like a case of beer?
>
> one wears pants but sings like a lady and one wears long flowing robes but
> sings like banshee?
>
OOOH, SACRILEGE!!! I love love love love Stevie ALMOST as much as
Joni... but I did see humor in this. However, it bugs me that Stevie is
always sorta degraded in the press, etc. Her voice is like magic to
me.... it puts me in a spell, and I hate to always see her as some
joke. About the Lindsey Buckingham/Joni idea... good idea!!! His "Go
Insane" cd is truely amazing, and I think they would make a great pair!
Cheers,
Evian
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:50:00 +0100
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: A Dream Come True!
Well. It happened. It's hard to believe it, but I really did meet Joni
Mitchell in person in Detroit and I am changed forever. She is very
warm and gracious and seems so grounded and very strongly centered in
the present moment. It was hard to find an opening to say anything
because there were so many of us and we each wanted to have a little bit
of her attention. When I finally had her attention, she looked me in
the eyes very directly and intensely. She has a real presence about
her. All I could manage to say was "I love your music - I love you
Joni!" I will treasure the experience of meeting her for the rest of
my days.
Marian
Vienna
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:30:59 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll
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> From: some millers
> To: joni@smoe.org
> Subject: lefty/righty...a new poll
> Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 3:02 AM
>
> howdy-
> i'd like to test a hypothesis. me thinks the jmdl likely has a greater
than
> average concentration of left handed members. the average population has
an
> only one in nine. curious to see how this group is comprised. i'll
start.
> i'm a lefty. how about you?
>
> love,
> paul
I'm right handed & right brained!
Marilyn
I live in a box of paints
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:08:13 -0000
From: Jamie Zubairi
Subject: The Book
I went into the Waterstones Bookshop in Covent Garden yesterday and asked about the Joni Mitchell book. I asked about the JM autobiography, if they had any knowledge that it was coming out.
The man behind the counter said in soft scottish:
It has been put back until May '99.
Is that what it's called? Autobiography?
And again in soft scottish:
Memoir.
I coulda kissed him.
This may have been old news by now because I've been out of the office and I haven't checked the site for news.
Much Joni
JamieJake
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:53:49 +0000
From: "Deb Messling"
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll (njc)
*Please* remember the NJC tag.
> curious to see how this group is comprised. i'll start.
> i'm a lefty. how about you?
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:43:54 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll
I'm a Southpaw, but I play the guitar right-handed.
At 3:02 AM -0500 11/4/98, some millers wrote:
>howdy-
>i'd like to test a hypothesis. me thinks the jmdl likely has a greater than
>average concentration of left handed members. the average population has an
>only one in nine. curious to see how this group is comprised. i'll start.
>i'm a lefty. how about you?
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:48:02 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll
In a message dated 11/4/98 3:05:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
millers@albany.net writes:
<< . The average population has an
only one in nine. curious to see how this group is composed. I'll start.
I'm a lefty. how about you? >>
Throws, writes and eats left-handed, but bats and plays golf righty because my
older brother was RH.
The only flaw in this poll, statistically speaking, is that left-handers are
going to be more likely to respond, since right-handers naturally lack the
same initiative and intelligence. ;>)
Paul I
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:20:41 EST
From: KCooper984@aol.com
Subject: Rochester, NY
Hi Everyone!
I'm coming out from the quiet corner of lurking to say that I went to the
Rochester concert last night! It was great! I had great seats centered on the
floor about 12 rows back. The setlist was the same as Syracuse minus Don
Juan's Reckless Daughter. I watched most of the concert through the eyes of
binoculars and saw every expression and every move. I was in Joni heaven!
Big Yellow Taxi
Just Like This Train
Night Ride Home
Crazy Cries of Love
Free Man in Paris
Harry's House
Black Crow
Amelia
Hejira
Sex Kills
Magdalene Laundries
Trouble Man
Comes Love
encore
Woodstock
Joni came out in a two piece dark green (velour?, soft, cozy looking
material.) It was a two piece outfit with a long skirt and she had a gray
shirt on underneath. She also sported her trademark silver belt as well as
silver nail polish. Joni also set her hair for the occasion. She looked so
beautiful!
After the first song she started Just Like This Train and then stopped
playing. She started to complain about all the people milling about....in
other words get in your chairs or leave! (not her words...mine) She said it
was very distracting! (I was waiting for her to start shouting obscenities,
but she refrained from that!!!) She looked very tired too. The first couple
of songs she looked as though she was straining to do her best. At the end of
the song through the binoculars I even saw the looks she gave Larry and the
other band members. At the end of Just Like this Train she smiled at Larry and
she walked over and put her head onto his shoulder. He gave her this
encouraging look which I interpreted as "You can do this,Joan. You're fine.
You can get through this." It was so touching. Later in the concert she
apologized for her voice because she said she had the flu...........although
she still did light up her cigarette for Trouble Man and Comes Love! Her
speaking voice sounded more hoarse but her singing voice sounded great to me.
I just love her voice's progression of sound over the years.
After she got into a few songs she looked more into it. I was impressed with
the rest of the band as well. I've always liked how Larry compliments her but
I really liked Brian Blade. He really is a wonderful addition to Joni's sound
and played out emotion.
Joni didn't talk alot either before the songs. She talked about the
traveling songs going across the country from Hejira and Amelia. Guys shouted
out "We love you, Joni" and she said "Thank you". Someone else screamed
"Happy Birthday" and she also said "yeah, it's Friday!" At the end of the
concert before her encore of Woodstock she said that the crowd had been very
"warm". At the end of Woodstock before she left the stage she made some
comment about "innocence renewed." I don't have an actual quote but I'm hoping
someone will know what she said. It was beautiful.
There were two people behind me that were definately there to watch Bob Dylan
and talked throughout the set. The guy next to me turned and told them to be
quiet! During the break between the Joni and Bob set the people behind me
started asking me if I was a Joni fan. One of the girls was mouthy and said
that she didn't like Joni's attitude....(when Joni stopped the song to tell
the people to sit down) You definately could see the difference between the
two sets because the Bob Dylan crowd was a lot more rowdy. I had floor seats
and everyone remained seated for the most part when Joni played. When Bob came
out most people were standing or trying to get up front.(I would have loved to
have gone forward to get right up close to Joni but didn't for fear of a
reprimand!!!!)
I am so happy that I got to see Joni for the second time. I was so happy to
hear her sing Amelia again which touched me so. I have to say each song I
enjoyed but I really felt Joni arrived when she sang Trouble Man and Comes
Love. She was hot! You could just feel the energy and the electricity through
these songs. She was brilliant. Thank you Joni for coming to Rochester again.
I love you!
Sue Cooper
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:39:29 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll
I'm a righty, but have 2 lefty kids. Makes for an awkward dinner table.
Terry
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:00:27 -0500
From: Debra Kaufman
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #454
Wally, I thought I'd take a breather and check out the list after a long
time away from it, just barely keeping up at work. How great to read your
Sunday report and hear of your progress and strength, and the joy you have
in all the Joni stuff. You sound good! You know how much we all appreciate
your presence.
Debra K.
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"O sweet blindness,
a little magic, a little kindness."
Laura Nyro
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:25:10 EST
From: PMcfad@aol.com
Subject: Re: stevie/lindsey SJC
well, honestly, last night i felt bad about jokin about stevie. she was on
the mtv or vh1 show as she has been on for the last week and i watched her
again and thought i may have been a bit rough. i actually do like her and
when i was in high school i thought she was just hot hot hot. but she is
about as opposite of joni as a singer can get, dont you think? pj
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:11:09 -0500
From: Daniel Parker
Subject: Lame and Infuriating is Right...
That review was pretty bad, especially since she did play so much of her
old material at recent shows. I was at the MSG show, about four miles
away from the stage, and I thought the following. First of all, her
performance was far better than it was at A Day in the Garden, which I
drove to thinking New York City would not happen. The show was great
but the muttering conversations I heard, Men's bathroom talk, reiterated
something I was already thinking.
Why do both Joni and Bob change the melodies of their songs both in
rhythm and harmony when they play live? Now I understand that after 30
years of playing the same songs they must go through some sort of
transformations, and I heard some of Bob's from when I last saw him 4
years ago in Ithaca, NY.
My philosophy about music is this: the creation of a piece is a sacred
process, after which a solitary entity is created. A "piece" of music.
This piece, for better or for worse, is immortalized on the studio album
for popular artists like Joni and Bob. When they play live, the
backbone of the songs remains largely the same, speeds may change but
parts are there. Changing the melodies so drastically, however, changes
the song into an entirely different entity. I guess what I'm saying is
I wish she sang the songs like I know them. And I know all of the
semi-fans, who know a few songs here and there, think the same. I could
almost feel attention waining when she sings a part of the melody we all
know and love, and then switch to a harmony or alternate melody.
Part of it is obviously because she can no longer reach some of the high
notes she used to. But not all of it.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:55:07 -0800
From: Louis Lynch
Subject: RE: Decals, smoking, Dylan
Decals would be a great idea! I have never had a bumper sticker or decal on
any vehicle -- for some reason I have always avoided "advertising" an
opinion. Though I like reading them, I never found a bumper sticker message
worthy of espousing permanently. But, for Joni, I would make the exception.
As far as fund-raising, if enough people bought decals (and we will), the
money could go to any number of causes -- native Americans, animal welfare,
etc.
I'm a smoker, and I don't necessarily feel like smoking when I hear Joni
sing. Except for "Empty, Try Another." That one always makes me light up,
naturally. However, she is setting an example. I am a harpist and singer,
and I always think I should quit to "improve" my voice. But when I hear
beautiful singing like I did at MSG, it's easy to rationalize smoking. I
mean, if Joni Mitchell sounds that good and smokes, why should I go through
the trouble of quitting.
Thank you, Ms. Ashley for your excellent review on Dylan and the behavior of
the Dylan-heads at Madison Square Garden. I was glad to see I'm not the
only one who was totally unimpressed with his performance. A musician
friend of mine saw the concert and she thought "Dylan ruled." I couldn't
believe it! She was obviously responding to a pre-conceived ideal, not to
the music. The arrangements were dull formula-rock, and his voice and
enunciation were atrocious. After being supremely treated to Joni's
concert, Dylan was painful!
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:38:13 +500
From: "Kim Korman Brown"
Subject: Feedback about the Joni Digest
Dear Folks
I signed on this list because I have been a fan since I was in
junior highschool (43 now, husband, kids, cats, mini van etc )
and it has been fascinating and drool inducing, hearing all these
beautiful stories about Joni's tour. I saw her in Boston in maybe
1971 when Jackson Browne opened for her at the Boston Music Hall,
I think she had just recorded Blue...it was just her, a guitar,
a dulcimer and a piano. Jackson Browne was also acoustic and
alone then.
Three years later I had tickets to a concert in New Haven, but
the other teenagers I was driving with couldn't go because it
was raining and it was their parents' car...I grieved, ready
to walk but of course my parents wouldn't let me go either...
I lost touch with her music somewhere in the eighties...I didn't
like "Wild Things Run Fast" at first and sort of lost interest...
thought she became too biting.
Reading all these posts has been so interesting and beautiful for
me. I had never heard "Dog Eat Dog" either, so I bought it
yesterday.
I homeschool my kids, and this morning we studied Joni. I played
"Ethiopia" for them, and they were interested. I have several CD's
which I hadn't really expressly showed them before, so we passed
them around and they were impressed with the art too. My kids
are 10, 8, 7 and 5. After "Ethiopia" I played "Ladies of the Canyon"
"Morning Morgantown" which they liked more.
I expose my kids to all kinds of music, we listen to
everything -- they like Cuban salsa and Rickie Lee Jones and
Blue grass and Mozart -- but it was really nice to play music
for them which affected me so much as a teenager, and to discuss
it with them.
The album "Court and Spark" blew me away when it came out...The
words, "So I sent up my prayer, wondering who was there to hear,
I said, send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere,
with the millions of the lost and the lonely ones who called
out to be released, caught in the struggle higher achievement
and the search for love that don't seem to cease..." I forget
the rest now. (as an aside, those words sent me on a spiritual
search, and it's ironic, but I prayed that prayer, and I got him,
my wonderful husband and soulmate of nearly 20 years who is
strong and totally sincere -- how about that?)
But back to Joni, so many of these posts are so appreciative of her,
and it is wonderful to find so many kindred spirits.
Thanks everybody for all the great commentary.
God bless
Kim Brown
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:40:24 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re:A Lame and infuriating commentary
Pearl sent J.D. Considine's article from The Baltimore Sun including:
>>snip<<
>Mitchell's standing has not been colored by Dylan's sort of seemin
indifference to the audience. The problem for many listeneres is that
Mitchell's music has lost its appeal. Her most recent album, Taming the
Tiger, is unrepentantly uncommercial.
Considering the miserable decline of pop music over the last 20/25 years in
this country I hardly find calling TTT "unrepentantly uncommercial"
infuriating. I find more of a compliment. Granted Mr. Considine is tearing
Bob to shreds in his article but he seems to only be pointing out what Joni
has always said about herself. She's not on stage to be a human jukebox.
She pleases herself musically first, because otherwise the show is as lame
and worthless as say, performing just your hits(that everyone already knows
by heart) in an unitelligible manner for a bunch of drunken(stoned,
tripping-whatever) brain-dead zombies who only want to live in the past and
pretend they're 20 every weekend. I think he's stoning the generic american
listenig public here. Not the performers.
John~
NP "Psalm" John Coltrane
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:45:44 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Feedback about the Joni Digest
What a wonderful post. Welcome to a great group of people.
Jerry
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:44:27 +0100
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: JMDL Cookbook Project - Submit your recipes!
I am ready for recipe submissions for the JMDL cookbook project.
I would like everyone to submit at least one and not more than two
recipes - a favorite savory and a favorite sweet recipe. The category
Savories includes appetizers, main dishes, vegetables, salads, breads,
etc., and Sweets includes any kind of dessert, candy, cookies, cakes,
etc. Recipes for homemade soap or candles or potpourri or massage oil
or ????? may be substituted. If you only have a favorite savory recipe,
then don't go to a lot of effort to find a sweet one. I'm asking for
one of each in order to avoid a dessert recipe cookbook because Joni
seems to be avoiding sweets and probably would not use a cookbook of
desserts very often. (In Detroit she mentioned that she had been
working out in her room and that sweet things go right to her
waistline.)
I will use at least one recipe from every person. I will make my
choices based on how many recipes I receive and what kinds of recipes
are submitted. If I decide not to use one of your recipes, I will
inform you.
For submitting your recipe(s), please follow these directions:
1. Please use only one email message, even if you are sending more than
one recipe.
2. Put JMDL Recipe in the subject line.
3. Address your recipe(s) to m.russell@iaea.org
4. Submit at least one and not more than two recipes. Choose savory
over sweet if you have a choice.
5. When choosing your recipe(s), please choose *favorite(s)* -
something you have tried and would be willing to eat for the rest of
your life if you became stranded on a desert island.
6. If possible, name your recipe(s) after a Joni song title or lyric.
Submission deadline is midnight (USA west coast time) two weeks from
today - November 18.
Marian
Vienna
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:19:36 -0000
From: Jamie Zubairi
Subject: RE: lefty/righty...a new poll
Jamie Jake is a left handed Leo with great hair and a Sagittarian moon rising.
He also likes Joni Mitchell.
i'm a lefty. how about you?
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:12:42 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Joni Crosses the Street
I love the quote on the rock press from Uncle Frank, and since I was
dissecting Gershwin's World last night, and focusing on two songs in
particular (big shock, huh?) ... I've got some thoughts about Joni doing
jazz, and crossing musical genre lines in general.
When Bonnie Raitt appeared with her father on "An Evening at Pops", she
quipped with the champagne-sipping audience, "Well this lends a certain
legitimacy to my career that I, ah, never quite expected." Now Bonnie
meant that in fun, I'm quite sure, but there is a darker underside to
this ...
Why is it that artists who attempt to cross musical lines are met with
derision? And why is it a not a two-way street?
Think about it -- Carly Simon (sorry Colin) was whole-heartedly abused
by the press when she released "Torch". But Kiri Te Kanawa (sp?), can
record "The King and I" and nobody blinks? In fact, critics on both
sides of the aisle praised her performance. Now I'm sure that if Kiri
tried to record her favorite Fleetwood Mac or Eagles songs she'd
probably be laughed out of town by Rolling Stone ... but here's my
point.
Joni sings "Trouble Man" on Kyle Eastwood's album. And the critics don't
accuse her of "aping" Diana Ross or any other Motown artist. Nor do the
critics trash Kyle himself for "aping" Marvin Gaye.
But let Joni (or any number of 'pop' singers) dare to attempt the
sainted Gershwin, and suddenly she forgets how to perform, and has to
start imitating a "real" artist. At least in some critic's opinions.
Is it just me, or does anyone else out there get a bit tired of this?
Don Rowe
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:16:40 -0800
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: RE: lefty/righty...a new poll -NJC
right-handed over here, but if I use both hands, I can type 75 wpm.
MG
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:12:53 -0600
From: Howard Motyl
Subject: Re: You Know When.....
> ...you're a Joni addict when five different neighbors bring over their
> copy of the SF Chronicle magazine because JM is on the cover and they
> know you like Joni. And....you are only personally acquainted with two
> of them!
...when anybody you know says when I hear or see Joni Mitchell I
think of you...I too get all the clippings of Joni from everyone who
knows me. Marilyn
In the past couple of months, I have had many friends--but one in
particular--who have called to alert me to Joni clippings in papers/mags
and the one in particular clips each one immediately and sends it to
me. He even got a rose for me from a bouquet that JM had in her room at
the Ritz-Carlton. The other day, an old boyfriend called to tell me
about the pay per view special he'd seen advertised. Last Christmas, a
friend gave me Complete Lyrics and Poems, and I didn't even know it was
published. and my favorite . . . last year, for my birthday, a friend
(a graphic artist) made a fake CD for me--and made it appear as if I was
the singer. One of the songs on "my" album: "Obsession: Joni".
Somehow, my friends know.
Howard M
NP: NASA TV (I am producing a doc on John Glenn)
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:17:16 -0600
From: Howard Motyl
Subject: Re: You Know When.....
>Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:24:16 EST
>From: Wolfebite@aol.com
>Subject: Re: You Know When.....
>you wear red lipstick and a long blonde wig
>you go to your back door and yell "Nietsche"
This is effing hilarious.
Howard M
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:19:00 -0000
From: Jamie Zubairi
Subject: RE: You Know When.....
You get on the tube in London (this only works here in London) and you see the sign for the various train systems and youstart singing:
'Just before our love got lost
You said: I am as constant
As the Northern Line'
And I said:
'Where's that at?
Constantly in the dark.'
Ok, so maybe you don't. But I do.
JamieJake
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:20:35 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers
Diana Duncan wrote:
>Ok, ya'll. Whatcha think about a decal?
I definatley prefer window decals to bumper stickers. Especially the
"static" type that stick to the window without glue and can be removed if
you sell the car. As far as cost goes I have no idea. As far as using an
image of Joni, managment will probably never go for it. Perhaps something
like "JMDL.com" using the font from the web page over the coffee cup image
from the web page and "JoniMitchell.com" Underneath. Or via-versa with the
names.
John~
NP "Open Up The Doghouse(Two Cats Are Comin' In)" Nat King Cole w/Dean Martin
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:28:50 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Fwd: Ape of the planets ... (NJC)
I simply could NOT pass this one up ...
Cheers!
Don Rowe
Please distribute this to everyone you know (on earth, that is):
When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in Ape Suits.
You have 4 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her
chest.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:34:08 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re: New Joni
Don Rowe wrote:
>>snip<<
>Finally, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and suggest that Lindsey
Buckingham produce it. There are not as many degrees of separation as you
might think here, since Larry Klein was one of only 3 people to play on
Lindsey's last solo record ...
Sorry Don, I gotta disagree with this one. I love Fleetwood Mac and
"Buckingham Nicks" is one of my favorite albums. I think Lindsey is an
excellent guitarist, a good writer/arranger and a pretty good singer. The
problem is his producing. It's horrible! He over-processes the shit out of
everything, especially vocals. Just listen to "Go Insane". You can really
hear it glaring away on a lot of the tracks on "Tusk" the differance
between the songs with the entire band and the ones he basically did
himself is almost painfull. As far as producers to work with Joni my first
pick would be Walter Becker followed by Phil Ramone, Paula Cole or Jim
Gaines. Hell, as long as we're speculating, maybe she could talk George
Martin out of retirement.
John~
NP "A Blossom Fell" Nat King Cole
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:52:12 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll -NJC
i am a right hander...unless, of course, i feel REAL romantic, then i
magically become a lefty.
oops!! love, ric (sorry list, couldn't resist.)
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:01:42 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: TTT in Rolling Stone?
Did I miss something? Was TTT reviewed in RS yet?
Terry
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:04:58 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: New Joni
Hi john, who writes ...
>Sorry Don, I gotta disagree with this one. I love Fleetwood Mac and
>"Buckingham Nicks" is one of my favorite albums. I think Lindsey is an
>excellent guitarist, a good writer/arranger and a pretty good singer.
The
>problem is his producing. It's horrible! He over-processes the shit out
of
>everything, especially vocals.
Interesting that you single out "Go Insane", which is, for lack of a
better term, Lindsey's DED. Even a great number of his die-hard fans
don't like it. I love 'Go Insane' ... but I think my feelings on DED
were made pretty clear recently too. What I was thinking of was his
work on "Out of the Cradle", which is clean, uncluttered without
sounding thin or hollow.
Don Rowe
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:23:55 -0500
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: TTT in Rolling Stone?
<<>>
No. I doubt it will be at this point.
- --Michael
NP: _Hejira_
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:19:56 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re: New Joni(LJC)
Don replied:
>Interesting that you single out "Go Insane", which is, for lack of a
>better term, Lindsey's DED. Even a great number of his die-hard fans
>don't like it. I love 'Go Insane' ... but I think my feelings on DED
>were made pretty clear recently too. What I was thinking of was his
>work on "Out of the Cradle", which is clean, uncluttered without
>sounding thin or hollow.
I cited Go Insane because it's the only of Lidsey's solo albums I've had.
I'd like to hear him do something clean and unclutered, though. I'll have
to check it out. No comment on the other producers?
John~
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:28:43 EST
From: PMcfad@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bonnie RAitt
i have three of her albums. longing in their hearts, nick of time, and luck
of the draw. i like her a lot. i would say that for her to go to jazz is a
much bigger stretch than for joni so i can see her saying she is now
legitimate for crossing that street. i mean....that is a very big change for
bonnie. i dont see it as big a stretch for joni but she seems to have heard a
lot more criticism for it than bonnie. maybe because it was more of a one and
done for bonnie. ahh, who knows. jazz does hold a higher place on the musical
food chain than blues or r&b or rock. maybe thats it. the complexity of the
music.
here's a tip. bonnie's cds are great to learn guitar leads to. she plays a
lot in open g to accomodate the slide and she is not very busy in her play so
there is a lot of room to hear yourself play over her. any aspiring artist
just learning pentatonic scales, go for it. try it in Em first, it will
probably fit. pj
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:46:57 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Bonnie RAitt (NJC)
Just to clarify ... the Boston Pops concert Bonnie did was with her
father, John Raitt ... a Broadway stage icon, and I believe, member of
the original cast of "Carousel". So she was siging show tunes with her
dad, who then sang a couple of her songs off "Luck of the Draw." It
comes on now and again on PBS, so watch for it. Very worth while. But I
think Bonnie could quite easily handle a torch/standards set ... in fact
I'd pay real money to hear it! :-)
Don Rowe
(who still fires up the B3 and plays along with "Love Letter" every
chance he gets)
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:50:01 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re: Re: New Joni
At 10:40 AM 11/4/98 PST, Don wrote:
>Well who could argue with George Martin. I confess to not being familiar
with Jim Gaines.
He's produced almost everything Santana's ever done as well as Stevie Ray
Vaughn, Blues Traveler, FreeWorld and many others, do a wweb search for
Cryrock(his production co.) if you want to findout more about him
>Becker's a good choice
I was thinking of RLJ's "Flying Cowboys" and Donald Fagan's "Kamakiriad"
>>snip<<
>
>Paula Cole -- just can't go there. 'Harbinger', which I believe she
co-produced, has about three decent songs on it. Her latest effort, which
I believe she self-produced, or took top bill for production on, is a mess.
CD's are like books with me, I rarely put one down before finishing it --
but that one got ejected less than half-way through. Why she would choose
to waste that fantastic voice of hers that way is beyond me. I daresay
another one like that, and we'll see her swaying behind Peter Gabriel again
in no time. Only my opinion of course ...
>
>Don Rowe
>(slipping into his asbestos pajamas and bracing for the blaze)
No blazes or flames. I'm just of a different opinion as to "This Fire"
appearantly. I love it.
John~
NP "When I Fall In Love" Nat King Cole
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 98 18:56:28 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV)
I've ordered Joni's PPV Special and I'm eagerly awaiting Fri night, 11/6, 9pm!
(at least here in Queens, NY)
For $19.95, I'm not just gonna watch it, I plan to tape it and have a permanent
copy to enjoy many more times.
But when you walk into a store these days, there are 10 of everything, too many
choices (extra high grade, sound and color, special event, GX, HQ, etc.) It's
enough to make you dizzy! And I've learned that the most expensive isn't
always the best.
So what's the best type/brand of video tape for things that you want to
preserve? Is there one that's least likely to break? Do some do a better job
with stereo sound than others?
Barbara B? Howard M? Any other video people?
Thanks!
-Kenny
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:04:15 -0800
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV) -Reply
>>> Kenny Grant 11/04/98 10:56am >>>
So what's the best type/brand of video tape for things that you want to
preserve? Is there one that's least likely to break? Do some do a better
job with stereo sound than others?
===
I second that question! So far, my plan of defense is to have my more
nimble, non-ludite teenager handle the taping in exchang for feeling free
to make sarcastic comments about my gathering.
A list-wise answer would be appreciated by many, I'm sure!
Good question, Kenny!
MG
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:14:10 EST
From: PMcfad@aol.com
Subject: Bonnie Raitt - revised
i have three of her albums. longing in their hearts, nick of time, and luck
of the draw. i like her a lot. i would say that for Bonnie to go to show
tunes is a much bigger stretch than for joni to go to jazz so i can see her
saying she is now legitimate for crossing that street. i mean....that is a
very big change for bonnie. i dont see it as big a stretch for joni but she
seems to have heard a lot more criticism for it than bonnie. maybe because it
was more of a one and done for bonnie. ahh, who knows. jazz and show tunes do
hold a higher place on the musical food chain than blues or r&b or rock.
maybe thats it. the complexity of the music.
pj
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:07:00 +0000
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - November 5
1994: Turbulent Indigo hits #53 in the UK.
1995: (From Wally's bio page): [Today,] Joni performed a short set at a
dinner honoring cartoonist Garry Trudeau at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. She
was accompanied by drummer Brian Blade, whom she'd met that past May at the
New Orleans Jazz Festival.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:17:25 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: You know you're a Joni addict when ...
From: "Juerg Loeffler"
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:47:57 +0100
You know you're a Joni addict when ...
1. You hear the dulcimer strumming while your delivery man
hands in a few cases of mineral water.
2. You wait until your wife goes out shopping before you put
the Joni disc in the player.
3. You su.bscribe to a Joni discussion list and contribute to
the thread "You know you're a Joni addict when ..."
- - Juerg -
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:18:07 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: H.elp with (beginner) Joni Quiz
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:07:00 -0800
From: Phyliss Ward
I'm having around 20 of my friends over for the PPV concert Friday
night. Needless to say most are not fan(atics) like us. I was going to
put out all my memorabilia (articles, songbooks, albums etc.) and put
them on a table for viewing but I wonder if they are going to think I'm
nuts. Then I got this idea. How about a Joni quiz (beginner level)
contest with CD's as the prizes! The memorabilia can be used as sort of
an open book quiz concept (i.e. an excuse for me to drag it all out) So
I need your help. What do you think of the idea? any other suggestions?
and most importantly - some quiz questions please!
- --
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pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:55:16 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: Buckingham/Mitchell? (Now VLJC)
Don,
As a long-term admirer of The Mac, and Lindsey Buckingham in particular,
I would have to agree with you once again. Like our Joni, he has always
been keen and prepared to push the envelope of modern pop.
Your comparison between DED and Go Insane is a good one - sonically and
harmonically, they share ceratin qualities, and I guess it's a case of
"you either love it, or you don't".....
Out Of The Cradle is a beautifully executed piece of work....and I do
think it has much in common with recent Joni. Much as I enjoy inventive
use of technology and synthesizers, the sound of both Lindsey and Joni
working their intricate magic on an acoustic guitar is still pure bliss.
I think some of my reservations about TTT (which I have endevoured to
keep to myself!) revolve around the relative lack of pure
acoustically-generated rhythms and melodies on her guitar (a la NRH and
TI). A collaboration between Lindsey and Joni could, quite possibly, go
either way.....would their tendency for experimenting with new
technology and sounds get the better of them?
Jason, right-handed (and who also happened to think Stevie was very very
hot when she was younger )
Don Rowe wrote:
> Interesting that you single out "Go Insane", which is, for lack of a
> better term, Lindsey's DED. Even a great number of his die-hard fans
> don't like it. I love 'Go Insane' ... but I think my feelings on DED
> were made pretty clear recently too. What I was thinking of was his
> work on "Out of the Cradle", which is clean, uncluttered without
> sounding thin or hollow.
>
> Don Rowe
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 12:17:01 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Buckingham/Mitchell? (Now VLJC)
Jason writes ...
>As a long-term admirer of The Mac, and Lindsey Buckingham in
particular,
>I would have to agree with you once again. Like our Joni, he has always
>been keen and prepared to push the envelope of modern pop.
>
>Your comparison between DED and Go Insane is a good one - sonically and
>harmonically, they share ceratin qualities, and I guess it's a case of
>"you either love it, or you don't".....
>
>Out Of The Cradle is a beautifully executed piece of work....and I do
>think it has much in common with recent Joni. Much as I enjoy inventive
>use of technology and synthesizers, the sound of both Lindsey and Joni
>working their intricate magic on an acoustic guitar is still pure
bliss. ... would their tendency for experimenting with new
>technology and sounds get the better of them?
>
There's no doubt in my mind that an acoustic guitar duel between Joni
and Lindsey would be one of the most beautiful things ever captured on
tape ... sort of "Sharon's Big Love" or "A Case of Bleeding to Love You"
... and you never know, such a mutual experiment might just produce
equally dazzling electronic moments. But I'm afraid it might just be a
dream ... dreams and false alarms.
Don Rowe
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:25:04 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV)
Kenny Grant wrote:
>
>
> So what's the best type/brand of video tape for things that you want to
> preserve? Is there one that's least likely to break? Do some do a better job
> with stereo sound than others?
The 2 I would recommend are JVC 120 SX A/V Master, and 3M ST 120 Master Broadcast
Color Plus.
Jerry
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:32:47 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: You know you are a Joni addict when...
> how about when you buy the crystal case (what are they called??) to turbulent
> indigo when you already have the cardboard one, just so it will "match" all
> the rest of the discs on the joni shelf?
>
Oh good Lord, I can't believe I am admitting this, but the damn
cardboard case to TI bugged the hell out of me!! That, and the
cardboard packaging to the Hits and Misses just don't "line up" with the
other Joni on the shelf! However, I have resisted buying jewel case
versions of the cd... but it still bugs me when I go over to the shelf
and see how they don't fit like the rest!
LOL, thank God I ain't the only one who this bugs... my little secret is
out!
Have a good day listers!
Evian
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:29:17 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Rochester, NY
Kay C. wrote:
>She looked very tired too. The first couple of songs she looked as though
she was straining to do her best. Later in the concert she
apologized for her voice because she said she had the flu..
Uh oh. Someone get an advance of the "Chicken Soup" recipe to Joni
posthaste!
Kakki
p.s. Thanks for the Rochester review, Kay.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:41:43 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: New Joni
John wrote:
>Hell, as long as we're speculating, maybe she could talk George
>Martin out of retirement.
Now THAT would be something - don't think he has ever made a wrong step.
Kakki, right handed but smokes with the left
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:51:36 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: Joni and contemporary music
Hi all. I finally read the Sunday interview with our Joan. I know this
has been said a million times before, but I just have to add that it
puzzles me how reluctant she is to even admit that she likes any
contemporary music. I mean, I like a lot of stuff even though it isn't
"original" or it has been done before. For example, true, Sheryl Crow
isn't exactly breaking some new musical ground, or whoever, but this
doesn't mean I can't say "yeah, you know, it is a good cd". I just wish
Joni would say for once "well, it's nothing really groundbreaking, but
damn, I like so-and-so's voice" or "that song is really catchy and I
enjoy it".
True, I don't exactly have high musical standards --- if you could
see half of the cd's I own, you all would probably roll your eyes ---
but I still don't see why she can't admit that there is some good stuff
out there, even if it is slightly derivative.
Ok, I am done venting! Have a good one y'all!
Evian
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:00:00 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: Discovering DJRD
Yes, I seem to be on a posting roll today...
I just want to say that if we were going to do the poll again today
of best Joni albums, my rankings would change already! Thanks to all of
you who rated DJRD so high, I went back and really explored it this
weekend. The title track and Off-night Backstreet are in my top 5 Joni
songs, but basically, I have never given the rest of the album time to
grow on me.
WELL! I can't believe how fantastic the album really is! I have
only had it for a year because it was deleted in Canada for so long, and
let me tell you, I am so glad I went back and played it over and over on
the weekend. I admit, as of late I have been a lazy listener. For the
past few years, I have been very lazy in exploring music. I used to buy
something and then listen to it repeatedly so that I got a feel for it.
The past few years, however, maybe because I just don't have the time
for it, I buy something, and if it doesn't grab me right away, I really
don't give it a fair shake, which is what happened with DJRD.
I cannot believe how great this album is. Why I didn't see the
brilliance in "Paprika Plains" before, I do not know. This song is
amazing!!!! AMAZING!!
I think I also am victim to subconsciously following reviews.. You know
how it has been said that DJRD is in need of an editor, or whatever, and
perhaps I absorbed this notion. Anyway, I am now really to rerank this
baby right up there in my top 6! hehehehe!
So, thanks y'all, for giving me the curiousity to give this one another
chance!
Evian
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:01:59 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: Allison Moyet (NJC)
Ok, last post for the day, I promise....
Does anyone know if Allison Moyet is still recording? I haven't
bought a Moyet cd since "Hoodoo" and I really love her voice. As well,
Yaz's "Upstairs at Erics" is one of my all-time faves, and I would love
to rediscover her again too!
Cheers,
Evian
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:15:34 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Allison Moyet (NJC)
Evian wrote:
> Ok, last post for the day, I promise....
> Does anyone know if Allison Moyet is still recording? I haven't
> bought a Moyet cd since "Hoodoo" and I really love her voice. As well,
> Yaz's "Upstairs at Erics" is one of my all-time faves, and I would love
> to rediscover her again too!
Her Singles cd is her latest, 1995, and a knock-out. I've always loved
Invisible.
Jerry
All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go.....
1 more day 'til Joni!!!!!!!!!!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:31:11 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: me and joni, deep kisses and the sun going down....
In a message dated 98-11-03 20:59:55 EST, artwear@ncweb.com writes:
<<
> oh listers, what a dream i had...and whatever your dirty little minds are
> collectively imagining? - you aren't even close.
>
> love, ric (who's no kiss and tell, but felt compelled to share...)
So you were the one in my dream last night...I really had the guilts!
Marilyn >>
boy - i really get around don't i?
you know, this gives "lurking" a whole new meaning...and here joni and i
thought it was just the arbutus rustling...
sigh, ric (who is still basking in the afterglow and needs another
cigarette...)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:53:25 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: You know you are a Joni addict when...
In a message dated 98-11-04 15:41:34 EST, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes:
<< Oh good Lord, I can't believe I am admitting this, but the damn
cardboard case to TI bugged the hell out of me!! That, and the
cardboard packaging to the Hits and Misses just don't "line up" with the
other Joni on the shelf! However, I have resisted buying jewel case
versions of the cd... but it still bugs me when I go over to the shelf
and see how they don't fit like the rest!
LOL, thank God I ain't the only one who this bugs... my little secret is
out!
Have a good day listers!
Evian >>
see? it's good to know you are not alone...yours in jonianity - ric
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:33:46 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: lefty/righty...a new poll (njc)
I'll bite. I'm neither left nor right. I'm just correct. :-) :-)
>>> "Deb Messling" 11/04 4:53 pm >>>
*Please* remember the NJC tag.
> curious to see how this group is comprised. i'll start.
> i'm a lefty. how about you?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:41:39 -0600
From: Howard Motyl
Subject: Re: Video Tape Recommendations (Joni PPV)
Kenny Grant wrote:
>
> I've ordered Joni's PPV Special and I'm eagerly awaiting Fri night, 11/6, 9pm!
> (at least here in Queens, NY)
>
> For $19.95, I'm not just gonna watch it, I plan to tape it and have a permanent
> copy to enjoy many more times.
>
> But when you walk into a store these days, there are 10 of everything, too many
> choices (extra high grade, sound and color, special event, GX, HQ, etc.) It's
> enough to make you dizzy! And I've learned that the most expensive isn't
> always the best.
>
> So what's the best type/brand of video tape for things that you want to
> preserve? Is there one that's least likely to break? Do some do a better job
> with stereo sound than others?
>
> Barbara B? Howard M? Any other video people?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Kenny
I will be archiving the show also and have actually thought of trying to
get it on the best possible professional format but that may be
unwieldy, for one, and overkill, for another, since the show will be
coming in over the air anyway and not the best to begin with. That
said, I don't usually make a fuss when I record stuff for myself and use
tapes that have been recorded over hundreds of times--becuz I am
recording TV shows that I get rid of immediately.
So . . . I don't really know what the best VHS tape would be. What I
would buy, and probably will, is a tape that is either metal or as close
to metal and the most expensive. It is expensive for a reason--it
*should* be better. A lot of what is important in recording is the
device doing the recording, too, not just the tape.
Big help, huh?
Howard M
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