From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #459 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 459 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- You Know When..... [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... [Howard Motyl ] RE: RE: A Lame and infuriating commentary [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: A Lame and infuriating commentary (now NJC) [John Lasater ] New Joni ["742 - Ainsworth, Cheryl A" ] Joni's Next Album -- Some Musings ["Don Rowe" ] me and joni, deep kisses and the sun going down.... [RickieLee1@aol.com] NJC: "Duane's World" ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... ["Don Rowe" ] Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... [Howard Motyl ] addictive joni things [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers [heather ] Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: Joni Flavors and Then Some... [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Rough ride for Alanis (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] WOODSTOCK to A STRANGE BOY [bhillis@onramp.ca (Patricia Hillis)] Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers -Reply [Mark Domyancich ] Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Joni was SMOKIN! ["M & C Urbanski" ] LURKER - WHO MUST REPLY TO THE 'SMOKE' (PJC) [KerriLynn@aol.com] Re: the queen [Helen Gill ] Re: You Know When..... [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni Billie Halliday [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: You Know When..... ["Kakki" ] Re: You Know When..... [Wolfebite@aol.com] FJC [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni Billie Halliday [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni Billie Halliday [Susan Chaloner ] Mary Chapin Carpenter (NJC) ["Eric G. Postel" ] pay per view event [Green51976@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:59:26 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: You Know When..... ...you're a Joni addict when five different neighbors bring over their copy of the SF Chronicle magazine because JM is on the cover and they know you like Joni. And....you are only personally acquainted with two of them! MG - true recipient of the above..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:22:53 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... You Know You're A Joni Addict When... 1. You always go to the Joni section of the record store first, even though YOU HAVE EVERYTHING SHE'S PUT OUT! I would never admit this to any group of people but this one, but I do this every time I go into a store. Immediately, if it's a store I've never been in. I have visited my Borders' Joni section about six times since TTT was released. And I always put in front a CD with a prominent picture of her. from the Borderline . . . Howard M NP: a Russian documentary about Yuri Gagarin, first man in space ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:41:28 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re: You know you're a hardcore Joni fan when... you do what I do...which is stand in the music section in bookshops and check the index of every book for Joni Mitchell. She is in lots of them. She's even in the authorised biography of The Chieftains and there's loads about her in a brilliant book called Waiting For The Sun (the story of the Los Angeles Music scene) by Barney Hoskyns. Be warned though, it's frightfully annoying when names like Mitch Mitchell and Chad Mitchell get in the way of the real business. Philip NP Kevin Burke + Michael O'Domhnaill - Lord Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:51:23 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: RE: A Lame and infuriating commentary jhl1@acpub.duke.edu writes > >I guess it just bothered me that Considine seemed reluctant >to offer up an opinion (HIS opinion) on the quality of >their recent music. > >C'mon, J.D., tell us what you REALLY think. > I'm really glad JD didn't tell us what he really thought. I, for one, have no need to read any of his flatulent pontificating on the subject of yet another artist about whom he knows absolutley zero ... can you tell I'm not a big Considine fan? Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:53:40 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: A Lame and infuriating commentary > Also, the comparison to the Rolling Stones is a weak one, because Mick > and Keef will prostitute themselves and their music for the sake of a > gazillion dollar ad campaign from a beer company. Joni and Bob would > never have that level of promotion for one of their tours, and as far as > I know, "Just Like A Woman" and "All I Want" have never been used to sell > Budweiser. This isn't entirely true as of all companies The Bank of Montreal used Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin' " for an add that was justly derided by many Canadian comics. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:57:33 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: RE: A Lame and infuriating commentary Don R. wrote: <<>> Unless of course what he really thought was that Joni was the most unparalleled genius in rock history. Then his pontificating wouldn't seem half as flatulent, would it? ;-) I, for one, think Considine's one of the best rock critics I've ever read. - --Michael NP: PJ Harvey, _Is This Desire?_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:02:39 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Idea instead of bumper stickers Ok gang. As I was driving home from class I got a great idea. Instead of bumper stickers (which I find very tacky and will not smear on my car) how about a decal that we can put on the window. My daughter has a really pretty Grateful Dead one. These could be mostly decorative but in some way incorporate our Joni and her art. There are enough artists on this list that could design something like this. The only problem I see would be getting it made. I have no idea how much this would cost in bulk or how much we would have to be charged for each individual one but any surplus could go to our fearless leader. [BTW, Wally, So good to hear that you're shrinking.. oh I mean your tumor is shrinking! :-) Your news sounded like a ray of sunshine to me.] Ok, ya'll. Whatcha think about a decal? Diana, who is behind on my list reading a couple of days... I'll catch up soon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:03:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Lasater Subject: Re: A Lame and infuriating commentary (now NJC) On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Ken (Slarty) wrote: > > Also, the comparison to the Rolling Stones is a weak one, because Mick > > and Keef will prostitute themselves and their music for the sake of a > > gazillion dollar ad campaign from a beer company. Joni and Bob would > > never have that level of promotion for one of their tours, and as far as > > I know, "Just Like A Woman" and "All I Want" have never been used to sell > > Budweiser. > > This isn't entirely true as of all companies The Bank of Montreal used > Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin' " for an add that was justly derided by > many Canadian comics. Ooh, that's bad. Did they use his recording of the song? In any case, that's not nearly as bad as selling the rights to "Start Me Up," (the Rolling Stones recording of it) to Microsoft for $12 million dollars to sell Windows 95. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 98 21:25:33 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: smoking on stage Hey Susan, You always snip the coolest Joni quotes! -Kenny On 11/3/98 Susan Chaloner wrote: "...These leaves are crazy..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:42:25 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Willy The Shake (NJC) In a message dated 11/2/98 1:28:59 PM, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> >> >Timing is everything in life. In these two incredible days, it was the >> >stuff that dreams are made of (Colin, that Carly lyric quote was for you!). >> >> Carly lyric quote? Hmm...wonder where Carly got THAT from???? :) > >I don't get this remark. i do hope you aren't being rude about Carly. I believe >even Joni concedes to her brilliance and superiority. only a well-read singer/songwriter such as Carly would know this line though it is pretty famous. xo mariana (who just got the part of Luce in Willy The Shake's "Comedy of Errors") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:42:52 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: A Lame and infuriating commentary (now NJC) John Lasater wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Ken (Slarty) wrote: > > >> This isn't entirely true as of all companies The Bank of Montreal used > > Dylan's "The Times They Are A-Changin' " for an add that was justly derided by > > many Canadian comics. > > Ooh, that's bad. Did they use his recording of the song? > In any case, that's not nearly as bad as selling the rights to "Start Me > Up," (the Rolling Stones recording of it) to Microsoft for $12 million > dollars to sell Windows 95. No they had what sounded like a choir of school children doing it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:32:45 EST From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: smoking on stage In a message dated 98-11-03 01:11:45 EST, you write: << Native Americans revered tobacco as the Breath of the Great Spirit. It was smoked in the Peace Pipe and always burned at the four corners of camp to purify the air. As a smoker I must say that I am SO sick of non-smokers informing me that I am killing myself and everyone around me that I could puke! I don't smoke in non-smoking homes or sections and still people complain bitterly. And I don't mean to jump all over your case, Denise. I'm just having a nicotine fit! >> You are comparing a spiritual practice with an addictive practice. It is not the same thing. FYI, I was a smoker for twelve years. You sound more considerate than most smokers. My guess is that you are aware of the very down side every time you light up. I havn't had a cigarette in almost nine years. Quitting is VERY hard, but doable. .....Denise : ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:31:07 -0500 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: NY Times review of MSG show Hope this isn't redundant.... Pop Review: Mitchell and Dylan Among Friends By BEN RATLIFF NEW YORK -- Bob Dylan is at that stage of cuddly sainthood that Jerry Garcia reached in the 1980s: When he's having fun, the audience is having fun. Dylan looked modestly happy as he surveyed the Madison Square Garden audience through his deeply sunken eyes on Sunday night, and he talked to the crowd a little more than usual. He dug extensively into his lead-guitar playing, his recent ploy to change his group sound, and he danced gingerly, with self-conscious awkwardness, like an eccentric grandfather doing his impression of Chuck Berry to entertain children. It was a well-received performance, but uninspired. Dylan's greatest-hits set, part of a short double-feature tour that pairs him with Joni Mitchell, too often had the innocuous groove of a Grateful Dead sound-alike band. You know you're in a pretty bland zone when the mentioning of New York City in a lyric (as Dylan did in "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues") supplies the set's greatest crowd thrill. With the exception of three clearly enunciated songs -- his new "Love Sick"; a Charles Aznavour ballad, "The Times We Have Known," and a truly rehydrated version of "Blowin' in the Wind" that marked the set's best moment -- Dylan's delivery was characteristically bizarre. He ran together several lines in single breath, came close to rapping at times, and generally sounded as if he could be singing in any language. "I usually play these songs all by myself," he said, as he introduced the Aznavour. "But I feel all by myself now." If only he could have better projected that feeling. His latest album, "Time Out of Mind" (Columbia), uses a band that hangs several sizes too loose on him; the album portrays him effectively as a solitary, grief-wasted figure. Here, still with his castaway's croak and wheeze, he played the gregarious rocker, and it undermined his peculiar eminence. Besides providing a clunky, punky counterweight to the second guitarist Larry Campbell's session-musician proficiency, Dylan's amateur lead-guitar playing just tried one's patience. Ms. Mitchell satisfied the full range of her audience, playing what was mostly a fan's set with tremendous communicative clarity. She began with "Big Yellow Taxi," which Janet Jackson bowdlerized last year for her own hit. Ms. Mitchell's encore was a revamped "Woodstock." But between those warhorses, she performed some of her loveliest lesser-known work: "Hejira," "Amelia," "Harry's House," "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," "The Magdalene Laundries." The songs emphasized Ms. Mitchell's brilliance with harmony. What one remembers most in her performances is the total arrangement, with her voice as the most important instrument. She was pushed by her rhythm section -- drummer Brian Blade, whose fills gave minute attention to the curves of the work, and bassist Larry Klein -- as well a steel-guitar player and a trumpeter who mostly got out of the way of her harmony and lent the music lush surfaces. In the middle was Ms. Mitchell with her guitar, which she sometimes just strummed but more often played orchestrally, letting bass notes ring over her teasing of idiosyncratically tuned strings. Most of the performance lit up familiar strengths, but what audiences have learned recently is how good a jazz singer Ms. Mitchell can be. Putting down her guitar and lighting a cigarette, she turned to a plainer style to sing "Comes Love," made famous by Billie Holiday. Without the sudden rushes of phrasing and Ms. Mitchell's signature chords wrapped around it, the song made the most of her natural voice, its bright, cutting vowels and its new depths, a gift of age. It took her into a completely new context. My own impressions later (other than the fact that I LOVE JONI!!!!!).... sadly, one of my strongest impressions is of the asshole Dylan fans around me who talked through her entire set. I guess that's what I get for buying a "cheap" seat in the rafters, amongst all the ridiculous neo-hippy stoners. I think they don't even know what they're cheering for (and clearly they don't know what they're missing in Joni); I think in Jerry's absence, they like the idea of Bob more than they actually appreciate his music. One incredible observation: the boneheads cheered at the mere SIGHT of Bob picking up the harmonica -- before he even played a note on the thing! This makes me think that his seeming contempt for his audiences in recent years is completely warranted, and I don't blame him a bit. BAD IDEA to pair these two artists -- there's very little respect for Joni amongst the Dylan fans. Nota Bene that I DID NOT talk throughout Dylan's set.... Ah well, simple music for simple minds..... Kay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:58:59 -0500 From: "742 - Ainsworth, Cheryl A" Subject: New Joni <<< No Message Collected >>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:04:47 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Joni's Next Album -- Some Musings Okay, I'll be the first to jump the gun here, and start some idle musings about the follow-up to TTT, though Lucas will likely have completed the 2nd Star Ward trilogy by the time it comes out ... I'd personally like to hear Joni hook up a nylon-string classical guitar (such as a Godin) to the VG-8. This could make a lot of us happy, since the resonance of the guitar would still be there, along with those endearing "little Joni noises" on the strings and frets that so many of us love of TI ... along with the lush synthetics that have endeared many listers (myself included) to TTT. I'm also thinking a Bonnie Raitt approach would be very interesting. Bonnie will often do 7-8 of her own songs, then punctuate with a Hiatt number, or another daringly re-written cover or two. Would love to see that -- if for no other reason that finding out what Joni would have an interest in covering. The band -- well she's got to keep Brian Blades ('nuf said), and Larry would still be the bass player of choice. Since Shorter can only legally add flavor to 5 tunes, how about Chris Botti on a couple of numbers? I think Benmont Tench on keyboards, and maybe Bruce Hornsby on piano ... not that there's anything wrong with Joni's playing either. Finally, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and suggest that Lindsey Buckingham produce it. There are not as many degrees of separation as you might think here, since Larry Klein was one of only 3 people to play on Lindsey's last solo record ... Hav at it list, I'm back off to dreamland. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:08:12 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: me and joni, deep kisses and the sun going down.... oh listers, what a dream i had...and whatever your dirty little minds are collectively imagining? - you aren't even close. love, ric (who's no kiss and tell, but felt compelled to share...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 17:20:24 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC: "Duane's World" Ok, Sydney Omarr says that Duane is delightful to be with; people find his ideas stimulating, even if they don't agree. Gemini, Sagittarius persons play astounding roles in his life. Current cycle relates to writing, reporting, change, travel, variety. Holidays will be a time of joy---" (well dah) Happy Birthday Master Duane! -Julie, who from time to time, enjoys a little "duanish" with coffee in the morning. this is a joke***this is a joke**this is a joke*** Im really a "Rice-Krispies-with-bannanas" kind-of-gal. (And no, Im not trying to start a "What do you eat for breakfast" thread, being that the list volume is so high.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:44:29 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... Howard M. writes, on this greatest of threads -- >You Know You're A Joni Addict When... > >1. You always go to the Joni section of the record store first, even >though >YOU HAVE EVERYTHING SHE'S PUT OUT! > >I would never admit this to any group of people but this one, but I do >this every time I go into a store. Immediately, if it's a store I've >never been in. I have visited my Borders' Joni section about six times >since TTT was released. And I always put in front a CD with a prominent >picture of her. > Hi, I'm Don ... and I do this too. I think part of this compulsion isn't that you're looking for something to buy, as much as you're just making sure that the store has Joni to sell to someone else! Whatever good that does, I'm sure I don't know, but I do it anyway. So good to know I'm not alone! Okay, so who rearranges the section and puts all the 'Hejiras' up front? Oh come on, you know you've done it once ... :-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:45:08 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... how about when you buy the crystal case (what are they called??) to turbulent indigo when you already have the cardboard one, just so it will "match" all the rest of the discs on the joni shelf? (or does this just make me an anal joni addict?) whatever, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:45:06 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: just lurking - njc well you poor lamb! were you fending off an armed intruder? did you get in a rumble with some nasty, armed dylan fan? did you put your hand thru a plate glass window in a moment of scientific epiphany? were you using an unweildy steak knife to scrape the last of the peanut butter from the bottom of a jar? just wondering... love from ric to the chick that drives poor mice to suicide.... (i bet it was a pumpkin carving accident!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:35:40 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Next Album -- Some Musings joni and lindsey buckingham? havent considered it before. lets see.....whats the difference between joni and stevie nicks? 2 octaves and maybe 10" in height? one sounds like champagne and one sounds like a case of beer? one wears pants but sings like a lady and one wears long flowing robes but sings like banshee? ( no one get mad. i listen to fleetwood mac at least once a week and i dont listen to alot besides joni, so that means i like the mac.) ok, jokes aside. lindsey is a good guitarist. when you think about all the sound that came out of mac and that lindsey was the only one playing guitar. their band sounds more like a guitar band because of him...as opposed to joni's sound which brings out the bass and other instruments. he's a hot head too, so maybe that will work. if he's friends with larry klein or klien the the stage is set for the love triangle too. there you go. bring on lindsey! pj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:59:29 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Next Album -- Some Musings great insights don. I would like a return to a more acoustic sound- and if she can do it with the V-G-8- well, all the better. I like the trumpet idea- especially soft, muted- aural- maybe the trumpet plus Wayne on sax- or maybe a horn pc with chris, wayne, kyle eastwood and mark Isham- along with brian- and klein on bass- just that- nothing more. joni on vocals of course- maybe a pulsing kind of circular breathing thing with the horns and joni's voice multitracked in counterpoint.... I want to hear songs like 'stay in touch'- expanded to more than one conversation, simultaneous- in glimmers as voices move in and out of each other. in other words- i want joni to venture off into vocal & sound experimentations- vis-a-vis 'live' instrumentation with minimal filtering- and forge something more powerful than these over-produced electronic soundscapes she's worked out through TTT. it's apparent to me that her move into 'jazz' started way back with her vocal work- and up till mingus- her vocalizing was her improvisation- her 'jazz'- as on car on the hill, song for sharon, judgement of the moon and stars, down to you.... and i'd love for her to do some more orchestration. and i miss her story songs- they've been playing in my head lately- 'rays dads caddie' 'cherokee louise' 'only joy in town' 'yvette in english'- i'd like more like them. harlem comes close- but again- is bogged down in overproduction. and lindsey would be good as a producer- although I think his BIG LOVE is BIG SOUND, and I'm inclined to say that joan should shy away from it. Larry would be fine- or maybe daniel lanois- or brian eno! i'd like to hear a successful duet come from joni. 'secret place' comes the closest IMLTHO (in my less than humble opinion- feeling decidely unhumble lately)- maybe joan and david byrne, or joni and bobby mcferrin - something like 'circlesongs'. do ya think joni would ever duet with another woman? (besides with joan B on dida ages ago?). and a few old standards... yeah! billy h's comes love- in full smoke- or maybe 'miss brown to you' or 'some other spring' so there- joni's next albumn..... right! doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:04:33 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: "Duane's World" (NJC) I want to thank ALL of you for your kind and thoughtful wishes for the celebration of my BIG 4-0! Now, WHO do I have to kill for leaking this information? Election Day rocks! Thank you all Best, Duane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:05:38 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... I do the same thing also. Not just for Joni but Carly, Tracy and Janis too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:05:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni was SMOKIN! Gerald Notaro (LIB) wrote: > Only when the listening has brought me to orgasm. I've never tried w***ing to Joni but does she make me crave a fag? No I don't think so. In fact If I lay in the dark with the phones on, I guess I don't smoke-usually cos I go into a semi sleep state. > > > Jerry > > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jeff & Vicki Harris wrote: > > > Okay, Okay...with all the discussion about Joni's smoking, I have to > > ask... > > > > Do any other smokers on this list find that you crave a cig when you > > hear Joni's music? > > > > Vicki > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 17:19:58 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... Howard Motyl wrote: > > Don Rowe wrote: > > > > Howard M. writes, on this greatest of threads -- > > >You Know You're A Joni Addict When... > > > > > >1. You always go to the Joni section of the record store first, even > > >though > > >YOU HAVE EVERYTHING SHE'S PUT OUT! > > > > > >I would never admit this to any group of people but this one, but I do > > >this every time I go into a store. Immediately, if it's a store I've > > >never been in. I have visited my Borders' Joni section about six times > > >since TTT was released. And I always put in front a CD with a > > prominent > > >picture of her. > > > > > Hi, I'm Don ... and I do this too. > > > > I think part of this compulsion isn't that you're looking for something > > to buy, as much as you're just making sure that the store has Joni to > > sell to someone else! Whatever good that does, I'm sure I don't know, > > but I do it anyway. So good to know I'm not alone! > > Don Rowe > > Before I had all these websites, I used to do it just in case something > was released before I read about it. I found Hits and Misses this way. > But it is also to do a little marketing . . . > > Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:29:32 -0500 From: Anne Madden Subject: Joni Billie Halliday > **Mitchell simply sounds silly aping late-period Billie Holiday on "The Man I > Love," with her wobbly vibrato, piercing vowels and hiccup accents. Susan wrote - <> Susan, I couldn't agree more. However, on the other hand the review from Ben Ratliff (N.Y. Times) was awesome. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:32:50 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: addictive joni things Sheesh, but there are packrats in our community! My copies of the SF mini-mag are GONE! MG - Home of the "Throw It Out NOW!" special ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:56:39 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers At 03:02 PM 11/3/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Ok, ya'll. Whatcha think about a decal? > i like this idea better than the bumper sticker. my .02 buryere ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:06:07 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers (njc) I've always wanted a Captain Beefheart decal. - -jan >>Ok, ya'll. Whatcha think about a decal? >> > >i like this idea better than the bumper sticker. >my .02 > >buryere > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 18:17:01 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers There are plenty of great photos on jm.com we could possibly use. I especially like the red-shaded one of what looks like Joni signing and autograph-it has a little girl in the picture. I like the idea of having it as a fundraiser, but I'd prefer mine not to have the URLs on them. Maybe this could be optional??? MarkyMark NP-Michael From Mountains >At 03:02 PM 11/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Ok, ya'll. Whatcha think about a decal? >> > >i like this idea better than the bumper sticker. >my .02 > >buryere ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:24:55 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers -Reply What/who would be the recipient of the fundraising? >>> Mark Domyancich 11/03/98 04:17pm >>> There are plenty of great photos on jm.com we could possibly use. I especially like the red-shaded one of what looks like Joni signing and autograph-it has a little girl in the picture. I like the idea of having it as a fundraiser, but I'd prefer mine not to have the URLs on them. Maybe this could be optional??? MarkyMark NP-Michael From Mountains >At 03:02 PM 11/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Ok, ya'll. Whatcha think about a decal? >> > >i like this idea better than the bumper sticker. >my .02 > >buryere ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:39:20 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni Radio and PPV I turned on my radio at work this afternoon - the "new" KACD/KBCD - and the first song was "How Do You Stop" - always nice to hear Joni on the radio! My cable system flyer for the month says that the PPV special is repeating on 11/8 and 11/10. Later, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:35:11 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Flavors and Then Some... In a message dated 11/1/98 3:19:24PM, jzw@visint.com writes: << I've been listening to Fiona Apple's exquisite cd, "Tidal" everyday for the last week. I would love to hear Fiona sing "Blue" "Cactus Tree" "River" "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire" "Court and Spark" and "People's Parties." >> Hear hear - "Tidal" is an astonishing album, especially from one so young. "Sullen Girl", "Shadow Boxer", "The First Taste" and "Slow Like Honey" are bang on the money - and CBS&SW would indeed make a great Fiona cover. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:35:09 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Rough ride for Alanis (NJC) In a message dated 10/30/98 8:09:32PM, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << Last week an NME interviewer spent 2 pages poking fun at her, opening his interrogation with this classic: "Why the long face Alanis ?" >> Well that's a cheek for a start - that caption appeared under a photo of her in Q about a year ago, maybe longer. "Select" magazine also had her as a cover star this month, and then did an unnecessarily sniping interview piece - you can tell it's gratuitous when the direct quotes sound reasonably level- headed, but are surrounded by acres of scepticism and interpreting. Frankly I don't know why they bother. Still, they gave the album what seemed like a fair review, and a medium rating. Am I alone in thinking that much of the opprobrium heaped on Alanis is down to two facts: she's a woman, and she sold zillions of records? "Jagged Little Pill" is not exactly a work of genius, but it's a pretty solid album, with one great song (you oughta know which one, heh heh) and a couple of other good ones. Anyway, this has bugger all to do with Joni, so I'll shut up and carry on ploughing through the latest missives from the edge (today's lot of JMDL took 15 minutes to download - and that's only since Friday!). Azeem NP: Vikki Clayton's "Movers & Shakers" - she is truly the nearest this world will ever come to another Sandy Denny (vocally speaking, at least) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: bhillis@onramp.ca (Patricia Hillis) Subject: WOODSTOCK to A STRANGE BOY Did anyone notice how Joni played Woodstock to the arrangement of A Strange Boy? I was at the Toronto concert and noticed it. Pat "life is for learning" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:20:07 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Idea instead of bumper stickers -Reply Either the JMHP or JMDL.com. NP-Mike Wallace-Fresh Salmon At 4:24 PM -0800 11/3/98, Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote: >What/who would be the recipient of the fundraising? > >>>> Mark Domyancich 11/03/98 04:17pm >>> >There are plenty of great photos on jm.com we could possibly use. I >especially like the red-shaded one of what looks like Joni signing and >autograph-it has a little girl in the picture. > >I like the idea of having it as a fundraiser, but I'd prefer mine not to >have the URLs on them. Maybe this could be optional??? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:36:53 -0500 From: Jeff & Vicki Harris Subject: Re: Joni was SMOKIN! Well Gerald, That's the OTHER thing I crave when I hear Joni's music. Vicki (...Oh,oh...My,my...when that train goes rollin' by) Gerald Notaro (LIB) wrote: > Only when the listening has brought me to orgasm. > > Jerry > > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jeff & Vicki Harris wrote: > > > Okay, Okay...with all the discussion about Joni's smoking, I have to > > ask... > > > > Do any other smokers on this list find that you crave a cig when you > > hear Joni's music? > > > > Vicki > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:31:39 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... - ---------- > From: RickieLee1@aol.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: You Know You're a Joni Addict When... > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 5:45 PM > > how about when you buy the crystal case (what are they called??) to turbulent > indigo when you already have the cardboard one, just so it will "match" all > the rest of the discs on the joni shelf? > > (or does this just make me an anal joni addict?) > > whatever, ric That one has me rolling on the floor! Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:36:08 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: You Know When..... - ---------- > From: Mary Grace Valentinsson > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: You Know When..... > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 2:59 PM > > ...you're a Joni addict when five different neighbors bring over their > copy of the SF Chronicle magazine because JM is on the cover and they > know you like Joni. And....you are only personally acquainted with two > of them! > > > MG - true recipient of the above..... ...when anybody you know says when I hear or see Joni Mitchell I think of you... I too get all the clippings of Joni from everyone who knows me. Marilyn I live in a box of paints ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:54:08 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Joni was SMOKIN! - ---------- > From: Gerald Notaro (LIB) > To: Jeff & Vicki Harris > Cc: joni > Subject: Re: Joni was SMOKIN! > Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 2:46 PM > I ran out and smoked three after the Toronto concert...oohhh the after glow! > Only when the listening has brought me to orgasm. > > Jerry > > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jeff & Vicki Harris wrote: > > > Okay, Okay...with all the discussion about Joni's smoking, I have to > > ask... > > > > Do any other smokers on this list find that you crave a cig when you > > hear Joni's music? > > > > Vicki > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:30:56 EST From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: LURKER - WHO MUST REPLY TO THE 'SMOKE' (PJC) OKAY, OKAY, OKAY..... I know i'm a self professed lurker but i just had to reply to this one....(PJC = personal joni content) Joni means to me what people may call, well, a prophecy..... um.... i'm not gonna get into much of it... but... when i listen to her (often, that is), i fell so 'fulfilled' and relaxed, that if in fact i light up a good smoke, it's all the more fantastic; the older albums especially... (the feeling that is).... call me what you like, but i'm just bein' honest... ps... nyc was the first i got to see the queen live.... and believe me...i will never forget that performance for as long as i live... how cool is she as she plays alone on stage, whimsically waving back and forth, and the red outfit.... how could you not love it!!... WOW!!..... (SHE'S SO COOL; she's so cool!!) <---that quote is from "true romance" (movie) w/ christian slater and patricia arquette what a great line... well, i guess thats all for the next few weeks from me..... ;) truly enjoy all posts.... good, bad and indifferent... KerriLynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:08:35 +1100 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: the queen > nyc was the first i got to see the queen live.... and believe me...i will > never forget that performance for as long as i live... > how cool is she as she plays alone on stage, whimsically waving back and > forth, and the red outfit.... how could you not love it!!... WOW!!..... > (SHE'S SO COOL; she's so cool!!) wow, I never knew the Queen did that sort of thing! I knew she waved whimsically back and forth all the time, and she is often spottted in red, but I must admit, I have never heard of play.....well I have renewed respect for the royal family now. gee they really are letting loose aren't they! ;-) helly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:25:47 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: You Know When..... ...you're a Joni addict when your kid is watching Blue's Clues on tv and you start humming A Case Of You. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:54:51 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Billie Halliday In a message dated 11/3/98 6:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, amadden@bconnex.net writes: << Susan wrote - <> Susan, I couldn't agree more. However, on the other hand the review from Ben Ratliff (N.Y. Times) was awesome. >> This seems an appropriate opportunity to remind everyone of the great quote from the immortal Frank Zappa: "Rock journalism is people who can't write writing about people who can't talk for people who can't read." There is nothing to add to that. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:10:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: You Know When..... You know you are an addict when you.. 1. Check the Joni auction items on Ebay 10 times a day.. 2. Let the bills, dishes and cat fur pile up while dubbing Joni tapes for fellow addicts.. 3. Keep your autographed Joni CD permanently propped up in a prominent shrine-like position in your living room.. 4. Have an irresistable urge to acquire more cats... Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:24:16 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: You Know When..... you wear red lipstick and a long blonde wig you go to your back door and yell "Nietsche" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:39:52 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: FJC Hey Kenny! Are we the wing-ding type? JoniM: "...Oh, oh, my, my! When that train comes rolling by... No one else can hear The crazy cries of love!.." MarvinG: "...Oh Mercy, mercy me things ain't what they used to be..." > You always snip the coolest Joni quotes! JoniM: "...They were hoping It was going to be a long one..." MarvinG: "...How much more can one man stand?.." Thanks and Meggissimo Hugs Kenny Baby! Susan L.A. "...They smile Ear to ear and eye to eye..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:17:22 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni Billie Halliday Hey Anne! > Susan, I couldn't agree more. However, on the other hand the review from > Ben Ratliff > (N.Y. Times) was awesome. I wonder if there's anything we don't agree on? Wasn't Benny Baby just marvelous! I love that dude! I do! :~) Susan L.A. "...During times like these The wise are influential..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:17:32 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni Billie Halliday Paul Baby! "...Get out your cane..." > This seems an appropriate opportunity to remind everyone of the great quote > from the immortal Frank Zappa: > "Rock journalism is people who can't write writing about people who can't > talk for people who can't read." > > There is nothing to add to that. "...Oh, You're a mean old daddy but I like you..." Mwah! Susan L.A. "...Let light HEARSTS remake us..."-Joni edited by yours truly ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:58:12 -0500 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: Mary Chapin Carpenter (NJC) Howdy everybody. To me Mary Chapin Carpenter is another singer-songwriter who, like Joni, gets hurts by the need to categorize. In MCC's case everybody lumps her in with "country" which is a major mistake -- she also every bit a "folkie" if another label must be used. She sings stories about people and their lives -- as told by an adult, not an 18 year old. Anyway, I saw her perform tonight in a 900 seat theater. She is touring with a small group and doing largely acoustic pieces. I highly recommend the concert -- they have five weeks left on their seven week tour. Besides her own songs, she did one by Dylan plus Dancin' in the Dark by Springsteen. Opening is a very promising singer from Maine Catie Curtis (best daughter's loving song about a father I've ever heard). NP Russ Feingold victory speech (hooray!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:53:10 EST From: Green51976@aol.com Subject: pay per view event from tv guide, under the section, "Cheers": "joni mitchell's new pay-per-view concert (friday, november 6th, $19.95), taped in an intimate setting in los angeles last may, is an intoxicating sampler of her evocative and eloquent songcraft." so how do i go about ordering it? i guess i will call my local cable company. andy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #459 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?