From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #451 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, October 31 1998 Volume 03 : Number 451 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni@Indy on Sonic Net [Susan Chaloner ] tour merchandise [Evian ] Re: Totally Joni in Person [paul ] Re: Dream Come True in Detroit [paul ] Re; (SJC) THE BITCH IS BACK [Robert Holliston ] toddlers sing JM [Thomas Ross ] Tribute Record, TTT, Hejira and Chogyam Trungpa (SJC) [Marsglobe@aol.com] dave alvin [some millers ] Re: Joni explodes with anger in Indy [Tom Hanna ] tax free...msg...ded [some millers ] Re: Joni@Indy on Sonic Net [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni explodes with anger in Indy [Sue ] Re: tax free...msg...ded [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni explodes with anger in Indy [IVPAUL42@aol.com] I Need a Joni T-Shirt! [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: I Need a Joni T-Shirt! [TerryM2442@aol.com] Tickets for 11-1-98 MSG [Bounced Message ] met joni/future projects [some millers ] Re: Zodiac Poll (so far) NJC [Bounced Message ] Joni part 3 [Sue ] You know you're a hardcore Joni fan when... [Harpua@revealed.net (Mark Do] 11/1 msg tickets wanted [Bounced Message ] Atlanta Tickets needed [Bounced Message ] Re: Dog Eat Dog [Seanapper@aol.com] 1 good Nov 1 MSG ticket NEEDED ["Barbara L" ] (NJC) THE BITCH Thanks Yous [Susan Chaloner ] How's the traffic? [Phyliss Ward ] Christine Lahti (NJC) [Mary Pitassi ] njc: "Susanpoo" ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Best album of all Time [Bounced Message ] feline questions [GREYC1@aol.com] Swansea (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com] Ottawa Report [Brett Code ] Re: feline questions ["Deb Messling" ] Re: feline questions ["Kakki" ] JONI INTERVIEW (SanFran) [bab_news ] Re: I Need a Joni T-Shirt! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:09:31 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni@Indy on Sonic Net Eric G. Postel passed this on from SoniNet music news: > Disturbed by the two > mimicking and mocking her, Mitchell is said to have shouted: "You a--holes > ... yes, you! ...You're ruining my performance. ...You're ruining it for > everybody. ... You rude little f---s! ... You're getting drunk, and if > you're waiting on Bobby, then why don't you leave?" and > "They're mimicking the way I move. ... It's inhibiting. ... > We're human up here. ... It's not a movie." Well, ALRIGHT!!! Sick 'em Rover ;~) That's my rad-bad, leather-clad 'kiss my ass' Joni ;~) Say it like it is honey...absolutely RABID! Love ya! Yes I do! Now pass the mike dear...I want my chance to tell some little f---s off :~D > Mitchell's > publicist could not be reached for comment. Oh really? I think I just found my calling ;~D Frothing mouthed Joni publicist and beasts of prey slayer who can be altogether too easily reached for comment among other things :~D Must be the Irish blood ;~) Let's rock! Susan L.A. "...Love has many faces many, many faces... but I like yours the best..."-JoniM edited by yours truly :~) Except maybe Marsha's face is pretty good too...Hmmmn...And then of course there is Joycy's face and Lesa's...Except I forgot I've sworn off women completely and forever...Well, I guess there is always Klein's face :~D Yep, that's a pretty good face...I'll take that one ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:12:03 -0600 From: Evian Subject: tour merchandise > The third shirt was plain black with the words "Happiness is the best > Facelift" in white with Joni Mitchell written underneath . > Ohhhhh, I want one!!! Let's beg management to sell us some!!!! Evian np: DED (what else!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:51:16 -0800 From: paul Subject: Re: Totally Joni in Person This is fantastic! Congratulations, and thanks for sharing the story. My adrenaline flows as I identify with you, knees shaking vicariously. (O my God, O my God, O my God, etc.!) paul m ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:59:37 -0800 From: paul Subject: Re: Dream Come True in Detroit Congratulations, Jessica. What a night! More vicarious thrills! It sounds like you spoke wonderfully. (I suspect my voice wouldn't work at all.) paul m ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re; (SJC) THE BITCH IS BACK Yahoo! My wonderful pal Susan LA is back! All is right with the world.... Love ya, Susan! Megissimo hugs, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 04:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: toddlers sing JM nice to hear about the 4yrold singing Big Yellow Taxi. btw I always thought the title really should be Pave Paradise or some such. My daughter Emeralda, as many posters know who got the tribute tapes, sang A Case of You at a little over 3. Now 4 and a half, she's as likely to sing a chinese song. dancing is big too. tom (as aslan, lion king of narnia): hello, daughter of eve. em: I'm not a daughter of eve, I'm a daughter of China! [her mom's from Shanghai] also recently, after doing a somersault: daddy, I have momentum! [from Bill Nye the Science Guy] tr ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 05:30:33 EST From: Marsglobe@aol.com Subject: Tribute Record, TTT, Hejira and Chogyam Trungpa (SJC) Hi there, this may have already been discussed but does anyone know who is actually on this rumoured tribute record? Track listing? Secondly, Rob Jordan mentioned Refuge of the Roads and (I think) Chogyam Trungpa. Interestingly (!) Shambhala (Trungpas organisation, roughly speaking) also run a course called (gasp) Taming the Tiger.....what can it all mean.... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: some millers Subject: dave alvin brett, please... before you totally write-off dave alvin, i suggest you check out any one of his four solo recordings. he is a very sensitive balladeer/troubador. i had the pleasure of seeing him perform solo in a tiny little bar about seven years ago, and it was awesome. i haven't yet heard the blackjack dave cd, but i simply can't believe you would have the same reaction to the king of california, museum of heart, or blue blvd discs. for example, his song "barn burning", from the k of c disc could easily have fit on several of jm's albums, though it would have been most fitting on dog eat dog. oops, i almost forgot, that's the album many jmdl'ers don't care for. just my $0.02 worth. paul s.bethlehem, ny ps - nevertheless, thanks for your excellent coverage of the show(s). >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:44:44 -0500 >From: Brett Code >Subject: No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good > >10:20 p.m > >Dave Alvin did his job - he reminded me of one of the reasons I love Joni: she plays good music; he doesn't. So unclear that I couldn't even understand his introduction of himself - loud, horrible, clangy and boring, incredibly, horribly boring and repetitive - he played way too long - 40 minutes. Torontonians are so polite that they loudly applauded. No offence to those who like him or who liked the Blasters. This was bad. >You'll hear more from me after the Ottawa show, so I'll end here. > >Brett >np: Joni's vibrations on my bones - I'm one happy little skeleton for Hallowe'en > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:08:10 -0500 From: Tom Hanna Subject: Re: Joni explodes with anger in Indy At 10/27/98 BH1248@aol.com aka Kinpin wrote: >I was sitting in the 15th row last night at the Indianapolis show Me, too! :) This is Kingpin's twin brother reporting (late!). I'm an occasional JMDL lurker and subbed in for the tour. Thanks to Roger W. for arranging some activities and transportation despite the fact we didn't all hook up at one time. Great report and pictures on the web site. It was great fun meeting new folks. This was my first Joni show and it was as spectacular as I had hoped and expected. It was darn near other-worldly, and the (not full) arena crowd was great, notwithstanding the two jerks up front who bugged Joni into a frenzy on "Sex Kills." I've seen the terrific JMDL video tree tapes courtesy brother Bob and I can assure you, this version was unlike any of those; it was even better. I told Bob at the time "I bet no encore tonight!" which unfortunately turned out right. I later said that it's no wonder she doesn't tour much. I imagine she's at a point where she doesn't have to take such crap. Of course, maybe if she was headlining... Dave Alvin was a good warm-up who'll rock your socks off. Dylan is in great form, whimsical and intriguing as much this umpteenth time I've seen him. Highlights were "Can't Wait" and "Tomorrow Is A Long Time (acoustic)." His full setlist and other info, btw, can be found at http://www.execpc.com/~billp61/102698s.html Here's hoping for a more-frequent-touring-Joni era! Kingtwin Enjoying all the tour reports, photos, web pages, etc.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:54:12 -0500 (EST) From: some millers Subject: tax free...msg...ded don, i'll gladly testify on behalf of ded anyday. i didn't participate in the ranking (in more ways than one) of joni's work because to me it's like deciding which flash from a lighthouse, which toll of a bell, or which star in the sky one likes best. she is constant, and i eagerly await each new work. imho, the trilogy of "fiction", "the 3 great stimulants", and "tax free" is so highly relevant today that words don't even come close to doing this work justice. if only we had the resolve to follow where she leads. speaking of "tax free", all of you folks heading to madison square garden for the all saints day show should be aware that that "multiple millions of dollars" facility is one hundred percent exempt from property taxation!!! that's right brothers and sisters, and it has been that way since 1982 when the "leaders" of the city/state consented to this corporate welfare scheme in fears of losing the sports franchises playing therein. (you can see the legal document behind this disgrace by going to sec.429 of the nys real property tax law.) as a frame of reference, we pay about $2,000 per year in property taxes on our little abode in the country. that's $2,000 dollars more in one year than the msg mega-complex paid the last sixteen. surely the sports facility extortion racket is every bit as disgustingly disgraceful as the tele-evangelists the song "tax free" was aimed at. surely too, these sports facilities are not unlike the crystal palace cathedrals. finally, these f%$#ing corporations are about the least deserving of our public revenues. yet the mayor and others are cooking-up the biggest deal of all time for some f&%$ing baseball team from the bronx, that happens to be the most lucrative in all of professional sports!!!. if anyone has access to joni prior to the all saints show, please fill her in on this fact, and maybe she could work into the mix of music and/or dialogue and bring to light an incredible injustice that otherwise sits unnoticed in law books (save for a few of us watchful public servants). as an added bonus, the show occurs precedes election day. thanks for letting me get that off my chest folks. paul getting down from my soapbox in s.bethlehem, ny >Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:50:54 PST >From: "Don Rowe" >Subject: Dog Eat Dog -- Best Joni Album of all Time > >Well then, I see I got your attention. >"Tax Free" comes next, with a searing indictment of televangelism, and >it's sanctimonius hypocrisy. Lyrically eloquent, daringly >counter-pointed with Rod Steiger's harrangue ... layered over dense >electronica -- if you like, a choir of silicon-chip angels. In the end, >Joni Mitchell doesn't lie -- it's all show-biz. If anything, this is >probably the focal point of DED. The show biz, and what a great trip >we're treated to as we listen. > ______________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:32:52 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni@Indy on Sonic Net In a message dated 10/31/98 1:28:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, EricPostel@compuserve.com writes: << The crowd cheered its support of Mitchell strongly, according to brothers Bob and Tom Hanna, members of the Joni Mitchell Internet Discussion List, >> Way to GO, Bob!! YeeHOW- as they say out here. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:38:35 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Subject: Re: Joni explodes with anger in Indy >At 10/27/98 BH1248@aol.com aka Kinpin wrote: >>I was sitting in the 15th row last night at the Indianapolis show > >Me, too! :) This is Kingpin's twin brother reporting (late!). >I'm an occasional JMDL lurker and subbed in for the tour. Oh my god, a carbon copy of Kingpin? Double your pleasure, double your fun... >Kingtwin Great pun here Tom, really started my day off right! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:01:56 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: tax free...msg...ded In a message dated 10/31/98 8:56:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, millers@albany.net writes: << i didn't participate in the ranking (in more ways than one) of joni's work because to me it's like deciding which flash from a lighthouse, which toll of a bell, or which star in the sky one likes best. she is constant >> Some people may think Polaris, the Northern Star, is the best star, but Siriusly folks, I cannot see why. It's all a matter of perspective. And, personally, I think the state of New York ought to double the property taxes of Castor and Pollux (and Paul in South Bethlehem) to pay for a star-studded stadium in Manhattan that will outshine the heavens for Steinbrenner's Yankees. ;>) Paul I. NP: Dreamland from DJRD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:02:54 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni explodes with anger in Indy In a message dated 10/31/98 9:40:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, scam@freeway.net writes: << > >Me, too! :) This is Kingpin's twin brother reporting (late!). >I'm an occasional JMDL lurker and subbed in for the tour. Oh my god, a carbon copy of Kingpin? Double your pleasure, double your fun... >Kingtwin >> And double the charm to sway? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:33:26 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: I Need a Joni T-Shirt! We only had the 2 t-shirts in Chicago.....when I was buying Joni Junque! Didn't see the Fastlift one at all! Would someone be willing to buy me the Black "Happiness is the Best Facelift" t-shirt for me???? (of course I'll reimburse you). Please, Please???? I'm begging. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:37:05 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: I Need a Joni T-Shirt! In a message dated 10/31/98 10:35:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, mann@chicagonet.net writes: << Would someone be willing to buy me the Black "Happiness is the Best Facelift" t-shirt for me???? (of course I'll reimburse you). >> I second that request. Please, pretty please? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:46:02 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Tickets for 11-1-98 MSG From: Larry Ticketmaster finally seems to be releasing some decent seats. At 9:00 this morning a pair of tickets in Section 42 Row D were available via Ticketmaster's Website http://events.ticketmaster.com/cgi/events/tour.idc?searchname=BOB_DYLAN For the past week or so only seats behind the stage were available (and before that mostly seats in the rafters!). As show time approaches better seats might well be released. So if you don't have tickets yet, don't give up!! (BTW, I'm not promoting Ticketmaster & like them no better than the next guy.) - --Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:21:56 -0500 (EST) From: some millers Subject: met joni/future projects howdy- all the reports of meetings with joni are truly great. i'm looking forward to her arrival in syracuse on all souls/el dia de los muertos, where she'll perform at the war memorial. ironically, i cruised-up i-81 back in '74 from my old hometown in the back seat of a friends camaro (i wasn't then old enough to drive) to attend my very first rock concert at that very same venue. very much like the scene from the film "dazed & confused", we too were off to see aerosmith. this will be the first return to that auditorium since. here's hoping our terrestrial paths may cross at that event. though we had superficially passed each other several times earlier, i'll never forget the first time i met joni back at alfred, ny in '77. we ran into each other in harry's house after a particularly grim day of business administration classes. since i missed out on a bunch of the messages relating to songs that jm should cover, bumper sticker possibilities, and the like, here are few things i'd like to see jm working on in the very near future: films: joan of arc meet joan doe (frank capra) music videos: these boots are made for walking (nancy s.) eighteen wheels and a crowbar (by br5-49) songs: i go out walking after midnight (patsy) life is like a mountain railroad (traditional) slow train coming (dylan ... but up tempo!) bumper stickers: joni helped me i was raised on joni joni helped raise me discover joni joni for president joni is a prophet bastante... back to the chores, leaves, dump run, wood fire, etc. hasta luego- paul (aka pablo, pavlos, paolo, etc.) s.bethlehem, ny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:25:35 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Zodiac Poll (so far) NJC Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:59:09 -0500 From: "James A. Murray" ><< Leo and Cancer have the highest, Aries and Pisces have the least. What >does this all mean? > > ARIES 6 > TAURUS 6 > GEMINI 9 > CANCER 10 > LEO 12 > VIRGO 8 > LIBRA 8 > SCORPIO 6 > SAGITTARIUS 9 > CAPRICORN 7 > AQUARIUS 7 > PISCES 4 Probablilty of being a sample from a random distribution is 83% (chi-square) Aries x Taurus xxx Gemini xxxx Cancer xxxx Leo xxx Virgo xxxx Libra x Scorpio xxxxxxxx Sagittarius x Capricorn xx Aquarius xx Pisces xxx Probablilty of being a sample from a random distribution is 23% (chi-square) It does not MEAN anything. They are indistinguishable from random. Above are the results of a poll done on the list in Feb 97. People made a big deal out of the fact that Scorpios were more numerous, even though it was not statisically distinguishable from random. And this second poll shows the folly of lending credence to a statistically insignificant result. Pooling both results produce this distribution: Aries xxxxxxx Taurus xxxxxxxxx Gemini xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cancer xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Leo xxxxxx Virgo xxxxxxxxxxxx Libra xxxxxxxxx Scorpio xxxxxxxx Sagittarius xxxxxxxxxx Capricorn xxxxxxxxx Aquarius xxxxxxxxx Pisces xxxxxxx Probablilty of being a sample from a random distribution is 70% (chi-square) We can draw two conclusions. Polls can vary greatly in results depending on sampling errors or when and how they are taken, and there is no evidence of a relationship between "birthmonth" and participation on this list. statistically yours, jimbo ===================================================== You can fool too many of the people too much of the time. ===================================================== James A. Murray Dept. Biology--Colby College 5720 Mayflower Hill Dr. Waterville, ME 04901-8857 USA PH: 207-872-3723 FAX: 207-872-3731 EMAIL: jamurray@colby.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:32:18 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Subject: Joni part 3 (Sung to the tune of Raised on Robbery) She was sitting in the lounge of the Townsend Hotel...... Six of the Detroit group (Robbert, Amy, Terry, Marian, Jennifer and me) left just as Bobby was starting his set. We got back to the hotel and decided to get a drink at the bar. There she was, sitting with Larry and two other men, right at the first table as you entered through the glass doors. We didn't want to encroach on her space so we moved to the back of the lounge. Problem was, there were six of us and only rectangle tables that seated four. We decided to pull two extra chairs around the end of the table. A gray haired gentleman (who looked like he could have been someone's butler) approached us and said that he could seat us all as some of the square tables had leaves that folded out. We followed him to the square table directly next to Joni! This felt really weird since we all wanted to discuss the show but knew that it would be impolite to do so within her earshot. I have this keen feeling that Joni has very acute hearing and might have picked up on our conversation. So we chatted about fashions and travel plans and soon Jim, Mary and Jeanne showed up too, and sat at the table behind us. As Terry mentioned, Joni started with a creamy soup, either potato or clam chowder. Next she had a large cobb salad that she didn't completely finish. Then the entree of either fish or pork medallion, wrapped in bacon and served with rice. She drank cranberry juice with dinner and ended the meal with a cup of decaf. Someone (on list) wrote asking if we bought Joni a drink. Earlier in the day she had mentioned that she was in training, no alcohol or fattening foods. Also the fact that the cobb salad is $12.50 and cranberry juice $5.00 a glass might have had something to do with it! Who knows what the soup and the entree would have set us back *G* While they were eating Larry handed Joni a book. I glanced askance and noticed her face on the cover. It was in golden light and was a close-up of Joni with her hand on her cheek. I could see "Joni Mitchell" on the top, but couldn't make out the title. Terry described the rest of the meeting quite well. After Joni had received the gifts Amy and I were standing by Larry at the side of the table. Larry picked up the picture that Amy had given Joni of the Garden concert. He said, "Where was this at?" and I laughed and replied, "The Garden, you were there!" Then I asked about the book. He said that it was in Italian, and picked it up for Amy and I to see. I forgot to ask what the title was but I assume that it is her autobiography. Silly me, I didn't ask when it would be available in the states, but Marian has promised to try and pick it up when she returns to Vienna. The whole experience reminded me of something. I was driving home yesterday thinking the best investment I ever made was my automatic garage door opener. You see I live in the school district where I work. In fact, I am only two blocks from the school. Every day I have to wave and say hi to the dozens of neighborhood elementary kids who think I am a goddess. Sometimes they wait for me in my driveway. Often I roll down my window and chat for a bit, but there are occasions, like yesterday after the sugar-buzzed Halloween parties, when I just want to get home and shut the garage door in their cute, adoring little faces. Joni could have very easily done this to us. She chose not to, though, and created in three brief encounters memories that will last a lifetime for me. I will remember her graciousness next time the children are waiting in my drive. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:34:39 -0600 From: Harpua@revealed.net (Mark Domyancich) Subject: You know you're a hardcore Joni fan when... ...you sing or hum the parts where Joni tunes up on the tape trees. Any others? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:46:12 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: 11/1 msg tickets wanted From: Flo713 Does anyone have 1 or 2 MSG tickets they want to sell? Please e-mail me if so-- with unfathomable gratitude, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:14:24 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Atlanta Tickets needed From: JAmjta Does anyone have one or two tickets to the Atlanta show they want to sell? I don't care where the seats are - just want to go ;) Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:21:54 EST From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog I enjoyed your defense of the merits of DED, Don, and I fully agree with you; I think it is an amazing album. It was one of the songs (I don't remember which) on DED that first jumped out at me while listening to the radio. It was a particularly trying time in my life, and when I heard the song, I immediately decided that I HAD to have this album. I waited for the DJ to identify what he'd just played and I ran and wrote down "Joni Mitchell-Dog Eat Dog" on a scrap of paper. I went hunting for it shortly afterward, couldn't find it, and bought CMIARS instead. Still, DED was the one-way trap door that dropped me into Joni fandom (how's that for a metaphor?). "Ethiopia," I believe, is one of Joni's most beautiful songs; "Man From Mars" reminds me a bit of it for some reason. "The Three Great Stimulants" and "No Apologies" are written on the same theme. Otherwise, I don't see too many similarities between DED and her other albums. It's pretty unique. Thanks to all who shared their "meeting Joni" experiences. I'm terribly envious. I'm also full of admiration that some of you could actually speak AND make sense when you met her; I'm certain I would be a bumbling idiot if I ever met Joni! Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:49:39 PST From: "Barbara L" Subject: 1 good Nov 1 MSG ticket NEEDED Need one good ticket--willing to pay. If you are selling, Pls email me with phone number, since it is getting down to the wire. I am located in Manhattan. Thanks much, Barbara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:37:36 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: (NJC) THE BITCH Thanks Yous Robert Holliston wrote: > > Yahoo! > My wonderful pal Susan LA is back! > All is right with the world.... Thanks for the 'Welcome Backs' Roberto, Marsha and everyone! And to those who didn't roll out the red carpet: What's the matter with you(s) anyway };~D It's damn good to back in the Eagle's Nest! What's for dinner Babes? Should we spike our veggie siblings pasta with a few diced cocktail weinies? ;~D Meggisimo hugs right back atcha Roberto! Love, Susan L.A. "...No doubt about it..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:59:15 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: How's the traffic? Hi Wally, Hi Les, I was wondering. Has there been a big traffic increase at the web sites for the current tour? What are the stats? It seems we're hearing a lot of new voices - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:08:32 -0600 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Christine Lahti (NJC) Catman Colin asked: "Can someone tell me what Christine won an Oscar for? I like this woman and just found out she is an Oscar winner but have no idea what it was. thanks colin" Colin: I'm really stretching my memory here, but I think Christine won for *directing* in a category called "Best Short Feature Film," for a movie called "Liebermann in Love." I believe she also starred in it, and that she won the Academy Award in 1997 (though it might have been 1996). I like her, too--"Chicago Hope" is one of my favorite TV shows, and Christine is a big reason for that. Sorry if someone has already beat me to this! Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:44:45 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: njc: "Susanpoo" At 12:37 PM 10/31/98 -0800, Susan wrote: >Thanks for the 'Welcome Backs' Roberto, Marsha and everyone! And to >those who didn't roll out the red carpet: What's the matter with you(s) >anyway }.... Ok, now everybody wants to get into the act. Here's my way of welcoming "Our Chalona" back: For Susan LA, She's an Aviator, She's a Wingwalker, She mows lawns...... "Our Susanpoo Our Susanpoo Our Susanpoo We love you Our Susanpoo We love the way you talk We love the way you rock We Love the way you shock We love the way you sock (it to em) Our Susanpoo Say that you'll be true Say that you'll be true Say that you'll be true And never leave us (again) blue Our Susanpoo" Happy Halloween from which Witch of the Web? Halloween is neither hallow or weenie.. (Discuss amongst yourselves) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:55:06 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Best album of all Time From: "4Ikes" <4ikes@paonline.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:59:23 -0800 In response to all those who can't seem to find any good w/ DED, you can do that with any one of Joni's works. DED for me was a sensational first listen. I slapped in the CD and was amazed at the full texture and color that Joni was communicating. As time went on (years) I began to tire of some of the music, some seemed a bit contrived. But no the less there are songs on DED that just never seem to wear thin. Joni's duet with Will Nelson on the revamped and "cool" version of the Son's of the Pioneers "Water", "Beauitful Dreamer" and "Friends" with Mike McDonald....Are all endearing and somewhat haunting numbers that for me just stay on. I also think Joni was attacking our culture lawyers, tele-evangelists and such. Plus on top of that she was as always experimenting musicially. She had started to use more complicated keyboards and the new, at that time, computer technolgy. Drum machines, sampling. And some of the faithful really didn't understand her approach at that time. As it went on she later abandoned a lot of that technology for a simpler set-up and sound. DED is a fine CD. Some of it I really like and appreciate and some of it I don't....... Jeff E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:03:58 EST From: GREYC1@aol.com Subject: feline questions Does anyone know which cats are which on the packaging for Taming the Tiger. I believe Joni's cats names are Nietzsche, El Cafe and Pansy. For some reason I'm wanting to put the feline image with the name (don't ask me why my mind ponders such things). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:48:38 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Swansea (NJC) Susan C. Morro Bay, California wrote >Just wanted to let you know...Swansea is the hometown of one of my other >favorite singers - Dave Edmunds! I had the pleasure of meeting Dave back in >'78 when I had a fanzine called Top Of The Rockpile! > My husband's family is part Welsh...can't wait to visit. We want to buy a >castle! :) Susan I must have missed any earlier Swansea reference on the list (probably flicking through the digests too fast )- but this is where I spent my teens. I didn't realise how lucky I'd been until I left (a case of "don't know what you've got til' it's gone..."). It's a lovely place, and I recommend a visit strongly. Castles tend to be a little thin on the ground at the Estate Agents, but there are plenty to see - I used to walk past one every day for two years when going to school. Seeing in the same list the reference to the November 75 release of the Hissing of Summer Lawns brings back memories..... Have you heard Cerys Hughes of Catatonia singing "Road r-r-r-age" in her Swansea accent? David Mascall now of Fareham, England ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:57:56 -0500 From: Brett Code Subject: Ottawa Report Joni Mitchell at the Corel Centre in Ottawa, Friday, October 30, 1998 Brett Code Joni's Set List (85 minutes) Big Yellow Tax (solo) Just Like This Train (solo) Night Ride Home (Larry's song) The Crazy Cries of Love Free Man in Paris Harry's House Black Crow Amelia Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Face Lift Sex Kills The Magdalene Laundries Moon At the Window Trouble Man Comes Love Woodstock (encore) In the days leading up to this show, I worried about the extravagance of flying from Calgary to Toronto and Ottawa to see Joni play in hockey arenas filled with Dylan fans, wondered about whether it would be worth it. Being a true Sagittarian, of course, neither worry nor wonder would stop me from going. How could they? Joni's music has been with me since my early teens, guiding, loving, entrancing. She has known how I've felt, told me how to feel, to love, to think, to travel, to wonder. . . She's still doing it. Love Puts on a New Face is the story of where I am now, my best friend suffering from depression and anxiety, unable to travel, unable to enjoy the flamboyance of autumn leaves, unable - except occasionally - to be happy, leaving me with a deep helplessness , unable to be with me except physically, the world's jaws gnashing at her. And my love has had to put on a new face - no longer the happy, bubbly puppy love with which it began, it is metamorphosing into a mature, supportive friendship with an unknown future. Joni knows about that stuff; she is it. I thought, dismissing any lingering doubts, "She'll sing about it at these shows. And I'll be there." Besides, what if, despite all our hopes for a small venue tour, this is the last time? No Last Chance Lost for me; I've got to feel her music's resonance again, feel that live-performance trembling in my bones. Guess what? No regrets, Coyote. Both shows were fabulous; I can't imagine spending money or time more effectively. On the plane, I thought about Amelia and Hejira, both album and song. How does she know how I feel? How I've loved travelling with her, on each of the 1001 times I've flown with the Black Crow, travelled in that vehicle, and soared through the hexagram of the heavens.? Thankful was I that no one was sitting beside me on the plane, for how difficult it would have been to explain that I was crying, not for lost love or the passing of loved ones or some other reason that one might consider normal, but because I was once again being moved by Joni's music - even though it was only playing in my head. Ottawa recently acquired a National Hockey League Franchise and the Corel Centre was built as part of the deal - without it, Ottawa had no chance of getting a franchise. Having no room in Ottawa proper, they built it in Kanata, what used to be a sleepy village about 15 miles west of Canada's capital city. They also built a highway to get to it - four lanes, lots of traffic, lots of people going to see - who? Joni? Driving out there, I'm quietly hoping that this is not going to be another of those irritating Waiting for Bobot performances by the audience - where the unbelievable is happening on stage while uncomprehending reprobates mock, fidget, chew gum, and chatter aimlessly, moronically. Along the road, beautiful rolling hills, well-manicured farms, scenic, peaceful Ottawa river bordered by large trees with colorful leaves well past their prime - then, an oasis of light in a now forgotten meadow - big arena, surrounded by huge parking lot - of course, they paved paradise. And they charged $9 just for a little rectangle of pavement. Before Corel bought sponsorship rights to the arena, it was called The Palladium. It seats just under 20,000 for a hockey game. It's a hockey arena, so there was no reason to expect brilliant sound, but it is shaped like a roman pavilion amphitheatre. When I looked around at the large empty space, I felt a hope that the music would resonate symphonically off the arena's curves, rather than simply echo, as it did off the square, jutting walls of Maple Leaf Gardens the night before. While it turned out not exactly to be a night at the symphony, the sound was clear, crystal clear by comparison with Maple Leaf Gardens. I'm sure Joni was pleased with it. The crowd was smallish, 9 to 10,000, and ranged widely in age. I was surprised that there did not seem to be a large proportion of folksy, hippy types as there had been in Toronto. The majority seemed to be from 20 to 40, ready and willing to shout and dance to the echoes of Tangled Up in Blue and Highway 61 Revisited. I was hopeful that most were there to see Joni - this is, after all, a government town - most people here would have grown up on Joni, boomer bureaucrats with lots of time, decent incomes and great pensions. Joni sings about their lives, too. I was not disappointed. This was a crowd of joniphiles. I heard almost no dissatisfaction or impatience with her set - their wrapt attention and loud applause caused Joni to smile and laugh on several occasions. I had a great seat - Row 2, Centre on the floor - but, as I was to photograph during songs 3 and 4 (no photographs were allowed even during the band introduction, let alone song 2, as had been done in other venues), I was standing off to the side of the stage for her introduction. She walked on stage at 8:30, her face and hair glowing. Was that a swagger I saw or merely the complacent strut of an artist imbued with confidence - no longer the blonde in the bleachers but the main event, taming the tiger? She looked tremendously poised, confident and comfortable, reminding me of my yoga teacher - I just hoped the audience was open to her evolutionary set, from old to new and back again. Opening the show with Big Yellow Taxi was a brilliant way to capture the audience's attention. While the jmdler in me would have preferred a stirring version of The Judgement of the Moon and Stars or A Case of You, the fan in me loved the way this song played to non-Joni fans, bringing them to her, sucking them in to her aura. Once they're there, she can, like Miss Liberty, shine on them the light of her music, poetry and vision. [Oh, how I wish she had played Song For Sharon!]. The levity and humour of singing a verse in Dylan's voice is a good trick, too - she's a barker at the midway employing a ruse to lure the unsuspecting audience out on the vast and subtle plains of her mystery. Big Yellow Taxi was welcomed with screams of approval. As the reviewer for the Ottawa Sun said, "however, as was to be the case all night, Mitchell gave the tune a slap on the butt with jazzy and even hip-hoppish tinges creeping into the delivery." It was magic and she cast a spell that lasted long into Dylan's raucous set. Just Like This Train was soulful, full of feeling. I didn't catch the reaction of the crowd, however, as I was overtaken by nerves. I'm not much of a photographer and wasn't even using my own camera this night - I had 2 songs, maybe 10 minutes to do something which even experienced photographers classify as tricky and difficult. I had been coached a bit, so I set the camera, fiddled with it a bit, and hoped it did its job, because I've got to say, I was not really thinking down there in the pit. Despite my hopes for a close encounter with Joni as has occurred for other jmdlers on this tour, I never got close. I even rehearsed what I would say and remembered what my friend said : "Tell her you love Hejira - tell her to come to Calgary because I can't travel - tell her you love her." I didn't get to say those things to her or get her to sign my cd booklets from Hejira and Turbulent Indigo (which I carried around with me for two full days - just in case), but I got pretty close. I was in the pit in front of the stage with a couple other newspaper photographers - 10 feet away, with a telephoto lens. Her face brightly lit, a moon at the window, was right there - amazing! There was a time when I didn't want to get close to Joni, when, for me, only the music mattered and I feared that knowledge of her, her life, her foibles, her wrinkles would destroy the magical creation my mind had invented over the years. Now, I wanted to see her. I did, and it was so cool. Seeing her smile as she introduced her band, laugh as a guy in a white suit and a white top hat (yes, same guy who had been in Toronto the night before) bowed and delivered her a bouquet of roses and then concentrate as she prepared to play Night Ride Home was a special moment that I won't soon forget. When she sang "I love the man beside me", I thought: " I love this woman above me", and time stood still. Through the two songs, the end of which I understood only by the tug of the security guy on my sleeve, I only managed to shoot about 30 photos, and I remember shooting only about 5 of them. This was all too overwhelming for me. Someone with less tendency to emotion and abstraction should have been where I was. But I wouldn't have traded it for anything. I remember one other thing from my time in the pit - Brian Blade's smile. I think he may have been as happy as I was to be that close to Joni - there was a spark and a joy that could light up a room - really impressive. For me, the rest was denouement. I missed Free Man in Paris and Harry's House as I was escorted out by the arena staff and took my camera back to the car (wasn't allowed to keep it at my seat). I came back for Black Crow - what a great song. I did not notice in Vancouver that she has changed the lyrics somewhat. Instead of "In search of love and music/My whole life has been/Illumination . . . .", she sings "In search of 'truth and beauty'/My whole life has been" - the reference to Keats a seeming acknowledgement of the shift in her point of view and her present inclination to compare herself with history's great artists. Black Crow was fantastic - the band rocked, Joni danced, and the crowd cheered. Amelia and Hejira were atmospheric. I'm still not sure whether I actually heard her play them and heard how she played them or simply heard them the way I always do, internally, metaphysically - the message different each time depending on the context and circumstances. One thing that struck me was how much more authoritative she sounded on the subjects of those two masterpieces. I once heard Robertson Davies say that one should read the great books 3 times: once at a young age, once at the age the author wrote the work, and once later in life when experience has had a chance to give one the perspective necessary to either understand or determine whether the author understood. The same must apply to poets (please forgive me if I don't accede to her recent I've-always-been-a-painter-first pretensions; to my mind, Joni's a poet and a musician who also paints and, like all of us, does many other things with more or less success) playing their music, for her serenity and poise during these two songs really seemed to embody and emote the words, images, ideas and thoughts of these two songs. She now really understands what she probably only felt or suspected intuitively in her thirties when they were written. Love's longings and deceptions and all the rest are deeply felt and passionately delivered. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter was fun, lively and took the crowd where they've never been before. After a few seconds, she stopped playing, asked us to "Hold On", and said that they were just learning it. She quickly got going again and it was great. The light on her and her band was a bright yellow, suggestive possibly of the bright yellow of wheat on the prairies she's singing about. Perhaps that's a stretch - the yellow may just be an expression of the joy she feels in delivering a thoughtful and perceptive song in such an uplifting manner to such a receptive audience. In the back of her mind must linger disappointment that this song, like Talk to Me, Paprika Plains and the others, just did not get heard. So many of us, myself included, could have benefitted by hearing them. She was obviously having fun as she gave a funny voice to the split tongued spirit - a voice somehow reminiscent of the waitress in The Last Time I Saw Richard on Miles of Aisles. Face Lift, which she again introduced as 'Happiness is the Best Face Lift', was nice. She introduced it by saying something like: "This is a pre-Christmas Christmas song. It's for mothers and daughters. Mothers never let up!" My favourite song in both Vancouver and Toronto was Sex Kills. The power and feeling of this band brings a life and resonance to that song which simply doesn't come through on the album. Unfortunately, this night, it was subdued. After it, I felt a slight tinge of disappointment that she hadn't been angered by hecklers as she was in Indianapolis just before delivering Sex Kills. Ironically, it was not heckling but shouts for songs from Blue that seemed to cause her to let down a little. She had only just begun her introduction of it, describing Ottawa as a political town, when she was interrupted by the shouts. She stopped, told them that she was sorry but she didn't have a dulcimer or a piano and that this was a guitar set. It remains one of the most moving songs in the set, and I think Joni is really proud of it. At the end, she threw a big smile Larry's way and flipped her hair vigorously. She introduced The Magdalene Laundries with a comparison of the laundries and witch hunts. She spoke of the witch hunts as an example of Christians try to purge paganism from the land of the free and to replace natural remedies, potions and world views with their own "truths". She then said that it appeared that the witch hunts continued in Ireland right up until 1972 in Ireland with the Christians trying to purge from their midst women who had committed "crimes" with which they disagreed. After mentioning the usual litany of punishable acts, she said something like: "Hundreds of women were forced to do the nuns' scrubbing for life for crimes no greater than being attractive in a small town." In rendering The Magdalene Laundries, Joni reached the height of her emotional expression for the night. She radiates a kind of venomous hatred for those nuns and their sentences of dreamless drudgery; she spat out "Oh charity", the 'Oh' sounding more like a grunted 'ugh'. Unlike most of the other songs, which she finished by smiling either at the audience or at her band members, she finished this one with the slumped posture of one who has given up a piece of her soul. Her head bowed solemnly, she backed up a few steps and appeared to let out a sigh. I would not be surprised if there was a tear or two her eyes. Any one who didn't feel the sadness, horror and disdain expressed by this rendition of The Magdalene Laundries ought to have their pulse checked. Writing this now in the sterility of my hotel room, tears are forming; vitriol, building. It's a masterpiece. A large portion of the crowd did feel it; the applause was heartfelt - the silence of some must have been the result of the spell she cast. Moon at the Window was a welcome relief, and, even though it's theme is not exactly light and easy, I think we all felt lighter at the end of it. Trouble Man was a resounding success. It swung with a really lively rhythm, and people snapped their fingers, swayed and tapped. She seemed really pleased with the audience's big, loud cheer. For Comes Love tonight, Joni didn't light up a cigarette. Something had gone out of her; she seemed sullen, didn't smile, and stepped to the back of the stage a couple times with her arms crossed. Who knows why - it could be simply that she had been told she was running out of time. When she came back on to do the Woodstock encore she said something like: "This is a slow song but I'll try to play it as fast as I can." She didn't. She played it marvellously, and it received a big hoot from the crowd once they recognized it. And then it was over. Throughout Dylan's entire, frenetic performance, which was 'followed' by at least 7 'encores' after he purported to leave the stage for the first time, I felt let down. I did not want Joni's set to end. The right thing to do, in my opinion, is what I did the night before in Toronto - leave before Dylan takes the stage; let Joni's music resonate and feed your soul. Dylan's nuance-free rocking will drain it if you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:15:03 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: feline questions Joni has described Nietzsche as an Abyssinian mix -- I believe that's Nietzsche among the foliage in the Rousseau-ish painting. I think the cover painting might be El Cafe -- that's the other of Joni's older cats, and this cat looks like the one in the Dancing Clown video. That would mean the CD cat and the flower vase cat are Pansy and Mojo, but I can't guess which is which. And I might be wrong on all counts, of course. (Is the CD cat a Somali? Colin?) > Does anyone know which cats are which on the packaging for Taming the Tiger. > I believe Joni's cats names are Nietzsche, El Cafe and Pansy. For some reason > I'm wanting to put the feline image with the name (don't ask me why my mind > ponders such things). > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:26:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: feline questions Deb wrote: Joni has described Nietzsche as an Abyssinian mix -- I believe that's Nietzsche among the foliage in the Rousseau-ish painting. I think the cover painting might be El Cafe -- that's the other of Joni's older cats, and this cat looks like the one in the Dancing Clown video. That would mean the CD cat and the flower vase cat are Pansy and Mojo, but I can't guess which is which. And I might be wrong on all counts, of course. (Is the CD cat a Somali? Colin?) I agree that Nietzche is the cat in the foliage. Somewhere Joni described him as a "lavender tiger." Wally mentioned awhile back that El Cafe was the kitty on the cover. I think Pansy is the one with the flowers and vases because of her markings - her face looks like a pansy. That would leave Mojo for the photo on the back cover. Kakki NP: Ethiopia (also agree it is one of her most beautiful songs!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:04:32 -0800 From: bab_news Subject: JONI INTERVIEW (SanFran) Joni-alert for the San Francisco Bay Area: In tomorrow's (Sunday's) San Francisco EXAMINER magazine, there is a long multi-page interview with Joni. Cover has a beautiful photo of Joni. I expect the interview will be available on the web tomorrow (Sunday, NOV 01) at: then select the 'Sunday Magazine' link. bab_news ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:34:25 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: I Need a Joni T-Shirt! In a message dated 10/31/98 10:39:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << << Would someone be willing to buy me the Black "Happiness is the Best Facelift" t-shirt for me???? (of course I'll reimburse you). >> I second that request. Please, pretty please? Terry >> Sizes? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #451 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?