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JMDL Digest Friday, October 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 448
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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RE: Posting to the Dylan List [bab_news ]
Re: Posting to the Dylan List -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ]
Re: Posting to the Dylan List -Reply [Janet Hess ]
Re: (NJC)Posting to the Dylan List -Reply [heather ]
Slouching [Steve Dulson ]
More Joni Notes [TerryM2442@aol.com]
MSG FLOOR SINGLE TICKET [Les Irvin ]
Dreams coming true - The rest of the story [Phyliss Ward ]
review in washington city paper [BarBearUh ]
Giggling Drunk Fucks (JC) ["Eric Taylor" ]
Re: Dreams coming true - The rest of the story ["Kakki" ]
No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good [Brett Code ]
Heckler-free Toronto [Brett Code ]
Re: Heckler-free Toronto ["Kakki" ]
Circle Game in Malaysia [Kai Wong ]
Joni In Detroit [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Poll: Joni's Top 10 Works of Art ["Eric Taylor" ]
About last night... [Jlgaertner@aol.com]
Amnesty Concert '86 ["D.J. Toman" ]
RE: feeling incredibly lucky this morning~AJC [trxschwa ]
11/1 MSG tickets for Sale [Les Irvin ]
2 Tickets for MSG for sale [Les Irvin ]
RE: No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good [Brett Code ]
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:41:49 -0800
From: bab_news
Subject: RE: Posting to the Dylan List
Kenny asked:
>Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request,
>posted to the Dylan list from the JMDL, asking Dylan
>fans to PLEASE be courteous and respectful of Joni's
>performance during the balance of the tour, would
>possibly do any good/harm?
Good? Harm?
Such a request:
1. assumes the disruptive fans are *members* of the
Dylan-list. I'd wager only a fraction of those
attending these shows are Dylan-list subscribers,
and Dylan-listers may be as offended by the recent
disruptive behavior as we are.
2. assumes a request from us, no matter how politely
worded, won't offend some Dylan-listers (as if we
are acting 'parental' to their 'childish' actions),
which may backfire and *cause* some disruptive acts,
since our request implies Dylan-listers may not be
'adult' enough to have gracious public self-control.
I suggest it would do more harm than good.
Bab_news
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:53:50 -0800
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: Re: Posting to the Dylan List -Reply
<< Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request, posted to the
Dylan
list
from the JMDL, asking Dylan fans to PLEASE be courteous and
respectful of
Joni's performance during the balance of the tour, would possibly do
any
good/harm?
Not a bad idea, but I weigh in with a loud "NO!" vote. What will be
accomplished other than bad will. Better to be a shining light unto nations
than to start up a bickering rally.
MG
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:59:24 EST
From: RADJSHARP@aol.com
Subject: Joni Live in Birmingham
Dear Terry, et al,
In your email of yesterday --
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON ) CONTENT (long)I
I read it three times and held my breath the whole time. I would have surely
fainted dead away. Unbelievable. Keep the reports coming!
Bob (not Dylan)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:06:22 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Posting to the Dylan List
Fight fire with fire!!!!!
At 10:01 PM +0000 10/29/98, Kenny Grant wrote:
>Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request, posted to the Dylan
>list
>from the JMDL, asking Dylan fans to PLEASE be courteous and respectful of
>Joni's performance during the balance of the tour, would possibly do any
>good/harm?
>
> -Kenny
>
>
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| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
|_________________________________|
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:10:45 -0500
From: Janet Hess
Subject: Re: Posting to the Dylan List -Reply
I say the hell with being a shining light. I'd sooner organize and respond
in kind. How about we all Belch fer Bob?
Cheerz,
Janet,
seeking domain rights for www.BelchferBob.com
(with tongue in cheek, if not in check)
At 02:53 PM 10/29/98 -0800, MG answered the following musical question:
>
>
><< Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request, posted to the
>Dylan
>list
> from the JMDL, asking Dylan fans to PLEASE be courteous and
>respectful of
> Joni's performance during the balance of the tour, would possibly do
>any
> good/harm?
>
>
>Not a bad idea, but I weigh in with a loud "NO!" vote. What will be
>accomplished other than bad will. Better to be a shining light unto nations
>than to start up a bickering rally.
>
>MG
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:23:51 -0500
From: heather
Subject: Re: (NJC)Posting to the Dylan List -Reply
At 07:10 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I say the hell with being a shining light. I'd sooner organize and respond
>in kind. How about we all Belch fer Bob?
>
>Cheerz,
>Janet,
>seeking domain rights for www.BelchferBob.com
>(with tongue in cheek, if not in check)
>
I'll get the soda and garlic.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:48:10 -0700
From: Steve Dulson
Subject: Slouching
Hey, all you lucky Joni-meeters - ask her to return
Slouching Towards Bethlehem to the setlists - it's
a killer live!
She did, what, 17 or 18 songs last night - awesome!
Best,
##############################################################
Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com
"The Tinker's Own"
http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html
"Southern California Dulcimer Heritage"
http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:59:06 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: More Joni Notes
As some of the Detroit jmdlers are on the road, returning to families or
continuing on to their Joni Hejiras, I thought I'd add a few more tidbits
until I get my final report done.
Some of us (not me) got a 3rd meeting! I'll leave that up to the others to
report on.
At dinner at the hotel after the show, Joni enjoyed soup, Cobb salad and an
entre'. She was seated right next to our table but her back was to me. With
her were Larry, one of the band members and a fellow I didn't recognize. Joni
smoked non-stop. This particular bar seemed to draw a peculiar and obnoxious
crowd which Joni at times was studying. One woman was virtually dancing in
front of her, teasing a man she was with and making a complete fool of
herself. At one point, Joni did a great job of mimicking her.
As we were getting up to leave, Joni started to go as well. At that point, we
gave her the birthday gifts we'd been carrying and she seemed truly delighted.
Larry was about out the door, but Joni asked him to wait, and we chatted a
while longer, discussing that night's distraction at the concert (to follow
later). Robbert had a short chat with her (what DID you tell her, Robbert??).
Once we left the room, our group trailed behind, so as not to disturb her.
Joni then dropped dead in her tracks, turned to us and told us a story- "It
reminds me of the Mockingbird. When I lived in Laurel Canyon, there was a
mockingbird that would sing and sing...but whenever a truck came by, it would
just stop". She then turned again and walked into the elevator. There's
probably more to the mockingbird story, but I'm too brain dead to remember.
Before entering the elevator (right guys?), she stopped and surveyed the hotel
lobby. It almost looked like she was taking mental notes, studying colors...?
I get the impression that she takes everything in.
Joni radiates warmth. She looks you straight in the eye while talking as if
she's known you your whole life. She smiles and is animated. You want, no you
NEED to reach out and touch her! She signed autographs, posed for pix and was
very interested in hearing our reactions to her concert. Robbert had said it
was the best of the shows so far, and we shared that with her. She said her
sound man said the same thing. Well, I'm so tired I'm rambling.
Oh, I was also fascinated with her fashion sense. No t's and jeans for this
girl, but the ever present brown leather cap, which looks just great on her.
For the detail oriented: transclusent pearly nail polish; nails longer on
right hand. Looked bluntly cut. Wears rich, earthy colors. Very little makeup,
none on her eyes that I could tell.
Hair parted down middle, just below the shoulder. At the conert, there was
some curl to it only at the bottom, for fullness.
More, after some sleep-
Terry
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:11:02 -0700
From: Les Irvin
Subject: MSG FLOOR SINGLE TICKET
From: Jim Weiner
Subject: MSG FLOOR SINGLE TICKET
I have a single ticket for Madison Square Garden on Nov.1.
On the floor section 11. Private email please.
bhits37@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:39:44 -0800
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: Dreams coming true - The rest of the story
All these wonderful stories and the teasers for more to come. I love it
but I want to hear all of it! This is no time for sleep! Tell us "the
rest of the story"!!!
- --
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:50:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Sue
Subject: Re: More Joni Notes
You wrote:
>Joni then dropped dead in her tracks
Terry, say it isn't so!!!!!!
Sue, with her best sarcastic grin plastered on her face!
Sue Cameron (Suze)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:39:39 +0000
From: BarBearUh
Subject: review in washington city paper
there is a most scathing review of TTT in this week's city paper (dc's village
voice). unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), there's no link - they don't
reproduce most of their articles online. it made me laugh, but i doubt many
of you'd have the same reaction - it's by far the worst review yet - even
takes apart "harlem in havana" (something about how it sounds like neither
harlem or havana).
barbara
np: joy askew, when-a bootleg
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:28:37 -0500
From: "Eric Taylor"
Subject: Giggling Drunk Fucks (JC)
On 10/28/98, Les Irvin wrote:
Dylan fan #3:
Not much to say about Joni Mitchell. I got bored and restless. Glad I
didn't talk as she might've come off the stage to castrate me. She
verbally
tore into a couple fans calling them "Giggling Drunk Fucks" and that
they
were ruining the performance for everyone around them.
Back in 1986, at the Amnesty International Conspiracy of Hope Concert in NJ,
two dumbfucks shouting "U2! U2!" started pitching pennies and water balloons
at Joni as she played The Three Great Stimulants. One water balloon hit her
electric guitar, and surprisingly, she didn't say a word. Perhaps that's
because millions of people were watching around the world. These jerks were
sitting directly behind me, fifth row center. All I could do is glair at
them with fire in my eyes. Bill Graham literally lept off the stage and
booted them. I vividly remember that Joni's performance went from good to
excellent during that incident. U2 came on next and Bono drenched us all
with a firehose! I admired him for coming to Joni's defense but wished she
had told those assholes where to stick it.
I'm sure Rolling Stone will have a field day with Joni's verbal castration
but I'm still glad she did it! I giggled all day just thinking about it,
mumbling "I love you Joni."
E.T.
(BTW, that was her Sag rising speaking...)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:24:46 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Dreams coming true - The rest of the story
Phyliss wrote:
>All these wonderful stories and the teasers for more to come. I love it
>but I want to hear all of it! This is no time for sleep! Tell us "the
>rest of the story"!!!
I know - I'm going crazy waiting for each bit and new installment!
Actually, I am amazed they are even coherent at this point and am grateful
they are getting the stories to us this quickly. Thanks so much Terry,
Jessica, Amy and Suze - we are fixed to our screens at this point!
MORE!
Kakki
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:44:44 -0500
From: Brett Code
Subject: No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good
10:20 p.m
Bob is probably just taking the stage. I'm back in my hotel room after about 90 magnificent minutes of pure brilliance. Because I'm going to see him tomorrow night in Ottawa, I thought I would leave early - let Joni's music resonate. I still feel a little numb. What a great show.
There was something really special about this performance, and it had something to do with Little Green (No, she didn't play the song.) I think that this performance was for Kilaurin, her friends, her family - Joni was on - really, really great - really, really happy. Early on, she shouted out for someone named 'Killer' to stand up. I didn't understand it, didn't think she'd hang with bikers or whatever. Later, I figured out that "Killer" referred to Kilaurin when she introduced 'Face Lift', called again for Killer to show herself, and announced that that song was for her.
Dave Alvin did his job - he reminded me of one of the reasons I love Joni: she plays good music; he doesn't. So unclear that I couldn't even understand his introduction of himself - loud, horrible, clangy and boring, incredibly, horribly boring and repetitive - he played way too long - 40 minutes. Torontonians are so polite that they loudly applauded. No offence to those who like him or who liked the Blasters. This was bad.
But it sure made Joni welcome.
She played the full list:
Big Yellow Taxi
Just Like This Train
(Band Intro)
Night Ride Home
The Crazy Cries of Love
Free Man in Paris
Harry's House
Black Crow
Amelia
Hejira
Don Juan's Reckless Daughter
Face Lift
Sex Kills
The Magdalene Laundries
Moon at the Window
Trouble Man
Comes Love
Woodstock (encore)
I missed Refuge of the Roads, that was a real plus of the West Coast tour and would have made a great second encore, like it did in Vancouver (it was really the first; BYT was seond). But DJRD and Free Man made up for it. Trouble Man and Comes Love were terrific, too - real crowd pleasers.
She introduced Face Lift as "Happiness is the Best Face Lift", so I wonder why the cd has it with the short name?
In Hejira, she 'thought she heard Chris Blotti blowing through the snowy trees", and she told us what the word 'hejira' means - leaving the dream nobly - related to Muhammed and Mecca.
She wasn't very talkative. Tonight was about the music. It was brilliant. At the Vancouver show, I think I only cried 3 times. Tonight, I cried 3 times during Amelia alone. DJRD did me in. Big Yellow Taxi got such huge applause that I cried for Joni - she is very popular in this area, I think. I cried at least 4 other times. It's music that moves - period.
You'll hear more from me after the Ottawa show, so I'll end here.
Brett
np: Joni's vibrations on my bones - I'm one happy little skeleton for Hallowe'en
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:56:21 -0500
From: Brett Code
Subject: RE: More Joni Notes
These stories are fantastic. Having just left Maple Leaf Gardens, I'd give anything to go to the hotel lounge and find Joni there - but I'm sure she is at some quiet place with Kilaurin.
I keep hoping that we'll be on the same flight to Ottawa tomorrow. Wouldn't mind sharing some airplane fare with her.
I've obviously got to get a birthday present for her - just in case.
Brett
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:04:31 -0500
From: Brett Code
Subject: Heckler-free Toronto
About mid-way through Big Yellow Taxi, a big, tall guy wearing a bright white suit and top hat walked in front of the people in Row 1 on the floor and took his seat in the centre. I thought (inappropriately judging a book by its cover), "Oh great - here come the heckler, this time even dressed clownishly, to ruin the show and throw off Joni." A short while later, another guy in a similar white suit and top hat strutted out and sat beside him. I was nervous.
At the end of the song, they stood up, bowed to Joni, applauded, turned to the crowd and encouraged them to cheer louder. Then one of them gave her a bouquet of yellow roses. After each song, they tipped their hats - real gentlement Joni fans.
No hecklers that I heard - no outbursts from Joni - Smiles all around
Brett
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:04:30 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Heckler-free Toronto
Brett wrote
About mid-way through Big Yellow Taxi, a big, tall guy wearing a bright
white suit and top hat walked in front of the people in Row 1 on the floor
and took his seat in the centre. A short while later, another guy in
a similar white suit and top hat strutted out and sat beside him
>At the end of the song, they stood up, bowed to Joni, applauded, turned to
the crowd and encouraged them to cheer louder. Then one of them gave her a
bouquet of yellow roses. After each song, they tipped their hats - real
gentlement Joni fans.
Wow! The proverbial white-hatted good guys to the rescue! This is too
classic, Brett!
Kakki
p.s. Great review of Toronto - it sounded perfect.
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Date: 29 Oct 98 23:22:18 EST
From: Kai Wong
Subject: Circle Game in Malaysia
I grew up in Malaysia and have been to the mall you are talking about. I bet
the version of Circle Game they played was not joni but a local singer named
Agnes Chan who had a hugh hit with the song. I remember hearing it when I was
a kid and had no idea who joni was. I read recently that Agnes went on to get
a PhD in Stanford and is now a professor in Tokyo.
Kai
np: Billie Holiday - Strange Fruit (anyone know this song? won't you love to
hear joni cover this?)
jamiejake wrote:
One Christmas in Malaysia, my parents and I were out shopping and we had just
got to the mall (Sungei Wang Plaza it was called) and we were in the car,
trying
to park in the open air carpark. Wwe had just found a spot when this song
came
on the radio and Mum who was feeling the heat said, 'I just want to listen
to
this song.' We sat and she said 'I can't remember who this is'. So we all
sat
listening to this girl sing about merry-go-rounds and childhood themes. The
dj
didn't back announce it so we were peed off.
Kai
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:35:14 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Joni In Detroit
I had the advantage of seeing the set in the 6th row, close to center. The
sound system was perfect! Joni later said that her sound man was very
pleased with the acoustics that night. There was supposed to have been a 40
minute break before her set, but she came swinging in about 10 minutes earlier
and went right into her first song. Joni seemed serious and introspective in
the beginning, playing solo, with little body movement or eye contact, and no
chitter chatter to the audience. The crowd was well behaved, in general, and
seemed intent on giving her their full attention. I got the sense that there
was a general good feel to the crowd, and tremendous respect towards Joni's
set. Plenty of woops, hollers and whistles cracked in the air after each song,
but the folks settled down quickly in order to hear the next one.
The show began with the expected BYT. Joni was well rehearsed with this
number, as it's been on the set list since May. The *wink-wink* Dylan
impersonation was well received by the crowd. I think she could do this
one in her sleep.
Just like this train was done to perfection. With each slap of the guitar
strings you could feel Joni becoming more confident.
The band entered for Night Ride Home and sounded tight. Joni started to
sway while singing, and you could see how wonderful she looked in her long,
fitted
tunic top and matching skirt. Both were a burgandy-garnet color, with rust-
toned
stems running through with sparkling gold thread. What a
site, Joni in her autumnal finest. Her shoes were a neutral beige, wide
strapped sandal. Her hair, parted down the middle, fell softly just below her
shoulders, with a bit of cascaded soft curls at the bottom. She was radiant
and beautiful.
Crazy Cries of Love was belted out and swung right into Free Man. The
band was rocking and the crowd really started to get into the set.
Harry's House began slowly, but Chris Boti showed why he was chosen to
replace Mark Isham on tour. His horn was thrilling to listen to. Again, no
Centerpiece.
Joni then lit into a fast-paced rendition of Black Crow. The pounding bass
almost made you visualize the crows beating wings.
At this point Joni stopped to talk about Ameila and Hejira. It was a nice
change of pace which led into these beautiful songs. The steel guitar seeped
in as if it were weeping. Brian's sticks were traded for brushes.
On completion of Amelia and Hejira, she thanked the audience and reminded
them that she used to live in Detroit. She said that she had a few old
friends in the crowd tonight, and that the next number was one that they
had been practicing and she decided to add for us Detroiters.
The strumming began, only to have Joni stop. She mumbled an apology to the
crowd, stared Brian Blade directly in the eyes, and started again. This
strumming went on for a good two minutes without her beginning to sing then
Brian got out his brushes and quietly picked up the beat. Joni nodded to
him and the whole band kicked into Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. At this
point, Larry flashed a couple of smiles her way. What more can I say?
Happiness came next, and the audience seemed a bit distracted at the new
material. She gave a sultry emphasis to "she regrets that now" . This song
was gorgeous, with Joni making the VG8 ringing clear as a bell. It was at
this point that the woman in the crowd caught and held Joni's attention.
She chided the woman when the song was complete, walking straight up to the
edge of the stage, bending down, asking if she was o.k., or if something was
wrong. "There's a critic in the front row", and to her: "enjoy yourself"!
Joni then jokingly commented that she felt "like a race horse that can't run
in the rain." Once the woman was singled out, she raised her fists as if
cheering in her first high school game, and Joni continued her set with Sex
Kills. Ironic? I think so. Either the
mix of the set is making folks loose interest, or they have decided to put
a ringer in the audience to get Joan pumped up for the second half of her
set.
Magdalene Laundries was performed in the most sorrowful way that I have
heard it to date. It brought tears to my eyes when she was singing. She
did her usual intro to the song (those of you who have any of the tape tree
concerts know what I mean) but sang with such feeling. Truly remarkable.
Moon at the Window was so jazzy. It was like watching a sport in slow
motion. Everything just flowed. Brian Blade was excellent here, going
from brushes to sticks to beating the drum like the folks did at the
Pittsburgh fest. Joni really began grooving to the music at this point,
using her hands to emphasis the lyrics. The band was introduced (I think???)
after this song.
At this point Joni put down her guitar and said, "I'm going to do a little
Motown for you" and proceeded to wow the crowd with Trouble Man. What can I
say? It was SMOKING! SIZZLING! It just wowed me.
Comes Love was dripping wet sexy. She lit up a cig, took a step back, and
held her hand under her elbow while taking a few deep puffs. She gave it her
all, belting this one out. She *needs* to record the album of standards. Some
in the crowd got lost with the old, slow Gershwin tune, but others saw and
heard the heat and went crazy.
We clapped and stomped until Joni came back out with her guitar. She began
to strum the opening chords of her encore when some yahoo yelled out "Play
Woodstock" and she laughed, "This is Woodstock!".
1. Taxi
2. Just Like This Train (these two were solos)
3. Night Ride Home
4. Crazy Cries Of Love
5. Free Man In Paris
6. Harry's House (no Centerpiece)
7. Black Crow
8. Amelia
9. Hejira
10. Don Juan RD
11. Happiness is the best facelift
12. Sex Kills
13. Magdalene Laundries
14. Moon At The Window
15. Trouble Man'
16. Comes Love
17. Woodstock (encore).
Terry and Sue
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:41:02 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good
In a message dated 10/29/98 10:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
codeb@duncanmccachen.com writes:
<< Early on, she shouted out for someone named 'Killer' to stand up >>
Brett,
Did she stand up?
Terry
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:36:45 -0500
From: "Eric Taylor"
Subject: Poll: Joni's Top 10 Works of Art
Sitting here relishing Jessica's touching account of meeting Joni, the sweet
gift of roses brought to mind one of my all-time favorite paintings from For
The Roses. I think it's watercolor but my CD edition excluded it. Yet I can
still see it vividly even though it's been a decade since I've laid eyes on
it.
I'm not an art snob so I can't compare Joni's paintings to other obscure
artists. I just know what I like and think her painting is every bit as good
as O'Keefe or Picasso.
1. "Sweet Sucker Dance (Abundance and Decline)" - Mingus
2. "Chair In The Sky" - Mingus
3. "I's A Muggin" - Mingus
4. Waves Crashing - TTT
5. Table Under A Tree - TI
6. Gold Hills Reflected In Lake - TTT
7. Man & Lightbulb - TTT
8. Lady Smelling The Roses - FTR
9. Night Ride Home Cover
10. Taming The Tiger Back Cover
E.T.
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:00:26 EST
From: Jlgaertner@aol.com
Subject: About last night...
I had almost no expectation of even seeing Joni yesterday, except during her
performance in the evening. I can't even imagine what today must seem like
for Amy or Sue or Marian or the others who had the chance to talk at some
length with her. Just being in close proximity to her was amazing (remember,
I am a true blue lurker). I don't think any of us are the star-struck kind of
people, but there we were, grown people, at a loss for words. As silly as it
sounds, just having her look at me and speak to me (mistakenly thinking I was
Robbert, instead of the grinning, tongue-tied person I felt like)...hey, look,
have you ever had someone look at you and it's so powerful that it sucks the
air from your lungs and you go weak and you think, "Jesus, why didn't I bring
a giant diamond ring with me?" :-) God...those eyes of hers...those
cheekbones!! She just seems so very decent, and reflecting on it as I have
all day, it's amazing when you look at the wild rollercoaster ride of a life
she's had, much of it thrown unflatteringly, without explanation, to the
hungry-for-anything-negative star trackers. If I think my little life has
been a bumpy ride at times, what has she had? By rights, she should have a
steamer trunk of "life experiences" to deal with..she MUST! Yet, she was just
so damn gracious and genuine and open and just a charmer. You would want this
person for a friend. One has to wonder if they could handle it all as well as
she seems to have done.
As Sue Cameron says, it's all timing. I was quite content to just be
breathing the same air, close enough for a moment to have her perfume make my
heart race. I've always wanted to see Joni in concert, ever since the only
other chance I had some 25 years ago went awry. Somehow, fate connected me
with people like Terry and Amy, and things just seemed to converge. They were
so great at the little details of it all, right down to giving Mary P. and
myself those great 6th row center seats. I know we hear it often, but the
people in our local JMDL group are ALL super people. I couldn't invent a more
perfect evening (okay, well maybe :-)), nor better company. I believe Joni
sensed that she was among true friends. To all of you...Terry, Amy, Sue,
Mary, Jeanne, Marian, Jennifer, Robbert, and even the very pregnant (due
Monday), but non-JMDLer Kelly, thank you from the bottom, top, and every other
region of my heart. Somehow, we became permanently connected to each other in
one giant memory last night, and I hope that our paths have not crossed for
the last time. My door is always open.
SIQUOMB
Jim (back to lurking)
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:54:58 +0800
From: "D.J. Toman"
Subject: Amnesty Concert '86
I was at the infamous Amnesty International show at the Meadowlands in
1986. Talk about a mismatch! The audience was there to see and hear the
reunion of the Police and to get down to the arena rock of closer U2.
Joni's normally rich voice sounded like a little bird chirping in the
middle of rush hour cacaphony. It was heartbreaking. I think she ended up
crying, but I couldn't see clearly up at 747 cruising altitude.
The highlight of the show was Santana joining Miles Davis for a short set.
But that's an artificially recalled highlight via tape, since I couldn't
hear them. The Neville Brothers were probably the most impressive act there.
This is my first post. Stay tuned for one on the connections between Joni
and Miles.
- --David in Taipei, Taiwan
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:17:59 -0500
From: trxschwa
Subject: RE: feeling incredibly lucky this morning~AJC
i'm as blown away as all of the list by the joy of people meeting joni and
having such quality experiences. keep telling, more, more! and it sounds
like you all are making her perform better and better, and enjoy it more.
joni fans get a chance to give back!
>We also got to enjoy the music of Marian and Terry...what a treat!
i'm so glad this happened. we all missed terry at ashara's, but i suspect
marian did the most. i wish i'd been there to hear them together, again...
patrick
np - hancock - gershwin.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:50:04 -0500
From: trxschwa
Subject: RE: This Astrology Stuff... (NJC)
>Well, even if we accept that stars, planets etc can affect people
(which I don't really), then why is it the moment of birth that's
important, not conception?
well i'll take a shot. it's not exactly superstition that the moon affects
emotions and behaviour, crime does go up. birth is the earliest great
emotional crisis and probably the greatest trauma of our subconscious life.
if huge masses of matter in our skies affect us, i think it's reasonable
that the effect would be most pronounced at that moment, when we're barely
conscious, no ego, just id.
just an uneducated guess.
i'm a pretty intelligent guy, was a bit of a math whiz and took statistics.
not exactly gullible, either. my experience with astrology as being a
somewhat useful, somewhat accurate predictor of personality type, is
convincing enough that i suspect there's something to it. i have some idea
what to expect from some sun signs, as they relate to me; selfcenteredness
is a well known gemini trait ;-) many old wive's tales and folk cures have
a basis in science, as well.
i don't know how much hard science has been done, it would be interesting
to give some so-called astrologers a chance to try and determine the signs
of a group by asking 10 questions, and then seeing if they do better than a
random group. but there's a huge reason why so little of this kind of
research, as well as so little research on herbal cures gets done: if it
can't be patented, there's no money in it.
drifting a little, but the latest supposed herbal remedy for depression is
st. john's wort. but it can't possibly be tested at the level that drugs
like prozac and zoloft are, because if it were proved to be effective
anyone could market it. pfizer has spent millions, i mean possibly
hundreds of millions (and is still spending) testing (and marketing)
zoloft, and it is currently their biggest product, (1 billion/yr) ahead of
all their shaving creams, hemorrhoid gels, bain de soleil, and viagra.
so you think pfizer is gonna let people claim some herb helped their
depression? um, no.
phil had volunteered to do some analysis, thought i'd point out how
difficult it is to get a real study going on something like this.
patrick, suspecting that if we'd spent 4000 years looking for correlations
between character and the hormone level of the mother the night before,
we'd find something, too.
np - gershwin's world
btw, i've been told that this pickup conversation:
what's your sign?
astrology is bunk
oh, tauruses always say that
works, one time in twelve. cool!
np
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:36:25 -0700
From: Les Irvin
Subject: 11/1 MSG tickets for Sale
From: Van Cushny
I have 2 seats in Section 423 for the 11/1/98 MSG show for sale at $40 per.
e-mail me privately if you would like to purchase them.
Michael Jacobs
I have 2 tickets in sec 331 for sale-face value$130
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:37:21 -0700
From: Les Irvin
Subject: 2 Tickets for MSG for sale
From: Noah Warner
I have two tix in the front row of Section 106 for sale, please email me
privately ASAP if you are interested!
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:24:42 -0500
From: Brett Code
Subject: RE: No Regrets Coyote - Toronto the Good
Terry asked:
Brett,
Did she stand up?
Terry
I don't know. About 3000 people thought that she wanted them to cheer, so a big roar went up. Joni used both hands to block the light from her eyes, looked out over the audience, didn't see her and said something like - "I asked for Killer and there seem to be a whole bunch of you. Anyway, if you're out there, this one's for you."
I did not see Kilaurin in the hallways.
Brett
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:31:15 -0600
From: Evian
Subject: Joni CBC show
Does anyone know what exactly this "Joni Mitchell Comes Love" special is
on CBC on Nov 8th? I saw the commercial today and was wondering if it
is a concert, or interview, or what....
Cheers,
Evian
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