From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #447 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, October 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 447 Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- what a heartwarming night! [Robert Holliston ] Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON) CONTENT ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Isle Of Wight Incident [MDESTE1@aol.com] Concerts and Meetings w/Joni [Don Sloan ] Re: dream come true in NY [JAWebster2@aol.com] Re: Detroit Set List [heather ] JC - Judy Collins AND Joni content [Jerry Notaro ] the first time I saw joni [Hassan Zubairi ] Joni Meeting! [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: dream come true in Detroit ["Marsha" ] Re: Revised Brunch List [Drewdix@aol.com] Re: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? [Jerry Notaro ] meeting joni [BarBearUh ] Re: meeting joni [Janet Hess ] Meeting Joni/BumperSticker ["Don Rowe" ] SIQUOMB Moments [Steve Dulson ] RE: dream come true in Detroit [Howard Motyl ] This Astrology Stuff... (NJC) ["Phil Klein" ] Joni ads for PPV [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: dream come true in Detroit -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Images from the Indy concert [Roger Walker ] Re: Joni ads for PPV [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: lindsay learns to groove..(NJC). [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: This Astrology Stuff... (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: dream come true in Detroit [RickieLee1@aol.com] re: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? [jan gyn ] re: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Circle Game question... [Bounced Message ] calling all DC area PPV watchers [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Re: Joni moments revisited [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Joni, Tonight [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON ) CONTENT (long)I [MHart16164@aol.com] Haloween(NJC) ["John M. Lind" ] Indy Images [Medric Faulkner ] Posting to the Dylan List [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Going to Toronto [Brett Code ] Maryland Get-Together [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Posting to the Dylan List [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Posting to the Dylan List ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:53:18 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Holliston Subject: what a heartwarming night! What wonderful posts to come home to!! I can only imagine how you must have felt, standing by the elevator with your luggage, waiting for the doors to open, and when they finally do.... And then to read that she gave roses to Jessica! And then to read that you re-connected in the bar! I'm really enjoying everyone's concert reports, and reading about your chance meetings with Joni is truly heartwarming. I can't think of a luckier bunch, or a more deserving one! Roberto, proud as hell to be a JMDLer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:22:32 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON) CONTENT "Terry Gang" (including European ambassadors Marian and Robbert) -- Jessica -- WOW, what a wonderful experience! I can only repeat what Kenny Grant already said -- you guys really deserve it, too. What a great reward for you and for all of us! Your reports made me feel as if I was right there with you -- this also goes for all the other (official and unofficial) reports I've read so far. Plus, I'm so happy you guys mentioned Wally's Website and what it does for us. Thanks for being there and making us participate. Winfried, awestruck merely from reading ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:15:25 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Isle Of Wight Incident Womby wrote: > Hey, > doesn't Joni have a habit of getting stuck in front of unruly crowds? Think > Isle Of Wight, think that benefit concert in the 80s (was it Live Aid? I > can't remember....she had to go on before a popular group like U2 or something > and the audience started throwing stuff at her), and now Indianapolis. No > wonder she prefers to be painting in her studio. I don't blame her one bit. > I think due to her intimate music she's definitely in a greater danger of getting heckled at when performing at large venues and festival sites. I can tell from my own experience group dynamics and the general festival atmosphere make you do things you normally wouldn't do: You're in a group, you're drunk or stoned, some people probably both, you smell ugly -- you behave like the most moronic moron, but actually you don't really care! To be fair though, it should be added that at least at Isle Of Wight, it wasn't just Joni who was affected by the crowd's hostility. (because they had to pay 3 Pounds entrance fee -- incredible!) Did you get those funny sarcastic comments from Kris Kristofferson? First, he says to the audience, "We're gonna do two more songs, except for rifle fire!" Then, he turns to his band and goes "I think they're gonna shoot us, anyway". Winfried, who has lots of pleasant memories of Roskilde Festival '97 (Denmark) -- despite his tent getting trampled down one night by a group of stoned Swedes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:26:27 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Isle Of Wight Incident Excellent point about Joni's music conflicting with the atmosphere of the contemporary concert venue. I hate to say it but to some degree this is where Jonis hejira has taken her. Once she began to integrate electric music into her standard performance she gravitated towards the larger venues. Once there she is confronted with the louts who inhabit such venues. The mosh pit wasnt invented at the small clubs which feature acoustic music. Unfortunately its the fabulous sums of money which also inhabit the large concert halls. Can one blame her for going there. md ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:27:56 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: Concerts and Meetings w/Joni WOW!!! Great to read all the heavily loaded digests of late - filled as they are with the ever-articulate reports of fabulous concerts and those emotionally charged meetings with Joni. I was very pleased to read about Joni confronting the fools in the audience - at last! I don't know what's gotten into people these days. I hadn't been to a large venue concert in ages prior to seeing Joni at UCLA's Pauley Pavillion last May. I was shocked and hurt by the blatant rudeness exhibited by so many during her set. I almost choked out a couple of people myself - two women in front of me carrying on a loud conversation which truly destroyed my experience of Joni doing Woodstock. All I could manage was a, "P-leazzzzzzz!!!!!!" which shut them up but by then, the magic was gone. So happy Joni was so, uh, expressive! Please keep the reports coming..... they're all an inspiration!! Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:35:06 EST From: JAWebster2@aol.com Subject: Re: dream come true in NY >>and she reminded me that it was recorded on a road trip<< It's morning now, and as I re-read my post, I was horrified by this mistake. I meant that it was *written* on a road trip! jessica ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:42:25 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: Detroit Set List At 07:06 AM 10/29/98 GMT, you wrote: >How sad that this heckler nonesense persists. Let's hunt them down like the dogs that they are and ....... (Never mind. Not very ladylike ....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:51:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: JC - Judy Collins AND Joni content Judy Collins has a new cd out this week called Both Sides Now. It is a folk, acoustic re-recording of some of her favorites. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:52:59 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: Detroit Set List Did you guys buy her a drink, at least? :) Great, great, experiences. thanks - --DD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:22:02 -0000 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Synchronice - ity Well, I was sitting in the dressing room which I share with 5 other guys and I started singing softly 'Don't it always seem to go' as a kind of tester to test the water and Steve Rice who is 45 and playing the Irish father of The Immigrant Song' said, 'oh I just bought her new album.' To test him further I said, 'What, Velvet Rope?' No,' he said, 'Taming The Tiger. It's really good. It's a lot more jazzy. Like that other one.... Mingus' Well, I wasn't going to enter on a debate on whether TTT is as jazzy as Mingus, I was just happy to fing another Jonihead. He had bought all the other postmodern Joni's as well. And I caught him singing Carey to himself. I mentioned that I belonged to the JMHP and the JMDL but this being England and him being English, I guess that talking about Joni for too long is uncool. He's not on the net and doesn't seem likely to be getting a computer. So the fans are out there, they just aren't on the web. Much Joni JamieJake who is a Leo with Sagittarius Moon and has great hair. join the David Gray list at centuryends@onelist.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:37:00 -0000 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: the first time I saw joni Well, not strictly. But the first time I heard Joni. I can't exactly remember which came first but one of the two incident was the first. I prefer the second. One Christmas in Malaysia, my parents and I were out shopping and we had just got to the mall (Sungei Wang Plaza it was called) and we were in the car, trying to park in the open air carpark. Wwe had just found a spot when this song came on the radio and Mum who was feeling the heat said, 'I just want to listen to this song.' We sat and she said 'I can't remember who this is'. So we all sat listening to this girl sing about merry-go-rounds and childhood themes. The dj didn't back announce it so we were peed off. The second one which is more memorable to me is when I was interested in graphic art, I wanted to be a fashion illustrator (even though this job is now almost completely defunct) I had taped London's Fashion aid (which I believe was 1986 or 87 or was aired in Malaysia in 1987) and during one woman's show (I think it was Jean Muir) there was this long piano intro to this song which was to me the height of sophistication, like the frocks on display. 'It was a rainy night...' and cut after the first verse to the American Indian stylee warbling at the end. It was haunting to me and stayed with me for over a year. I kept that program on tape for over a year, watching that section over and over again. It wan't until April that 88 when we got a cd player and there was a pushy cd salesman trying to get my mum to buy cds from him. One of them was Joni Mitchell. When I first heard LOTC which is what he sold her, I though, oh, guitarry women's music. It wasn't until like a week later on a rainy night when i was walking down stairs and the long piano intro was heard. I thought that someone was playing the video. But it was coming thru the cd player. I was hooked from then. Much Joni JamieJake np: Borderline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:55:24 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni Meeting! Jessica, What a wonderful account of your meeting with Joni! I was laughing and crying (you know it's the same release!) . You carried on a wonderful conversation....and to have kept her attention for so long!! I'm sure if it was me I would have been the babbling idiot! Still have a lump in my throat..... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:08 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: dream come true in Detroit A beautiful report and moment to show Joni your appreciation for the years of life-enhancement. I'm glad for you and her that you got to tell her yourself. Marsha, again so pleased for all - -----Original Message----- From: JAWebster2@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 1:18 AM Subject: dream come true in Detroit >So I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to start this e-mail, and I think >I've finally got it........... >I met Joni Mitchell! I met Joni! I met Joni! I met Joni! I met Joni!!!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:03:20 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: Revised Brunch List really glad Duane has put together what sounds like a wonderful gathering. I would have RSVP'd myself , but my wife and I can't make it into NYC until much later in the afternoon. So, It looks like a turkey-burger and a beer at the afore-mentioned Triple Crown for us, and perhaps any other late arrivals, and maybe even you brunchers can stop for a quick one on your way in, as it's only 2 blocks from MSG (7th Ave. bet. 28th & 29th, red awning). I'd say we'll be getting to the T.C. around 4:30, maybe a bit earlier. I,m a tall (6' 1") bald guy with glasses; my wife has long wavy black hair (her name is Thea). Again, the Triple Crown is a very safe place on a safe block, and noone's going to give you a hard time about having a coffee or a coke if you don't want a drink. We'll probably compete a bit with a low key football crowd (there are tv's with sports on), but it's an easy place. I'd love to meet any of you. Thanks, Hope to see you Sunday!!! - --Drew Dix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:07:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? Some things never change. I had the same trouble when I went to see The Rolling Thunder Review. The Dylan fans partied through everyone's set but Bob's. I had 3 especially noisy ones behind me. When Joni came out and they chatted away I quickly changed from the normally sweet thing I am and let loose with a string of verbs and nouns that even astounded me. They didn't say another word for the rest of her set. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:25:51 EST From: Tleetie@aol.com Subject: Wtr: Trouble Man This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_909671153_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671153@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_909671153_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671153@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tleetie@aol.com Return-path: To: joni@smoe.com Subject: Trouble Man Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:56:13 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I may not be referring to the same version that David Mascall was wondering about, but Janis Siegel (the alto from Manhattan Transfer) does an amazing version on her second solo album, 'At Home'. Also on that album is a fabulous cover of Joni's 'River'. dc PS: I speak German (living there now for 10 years), and yes, I think Sehnsucht is an excellent way of describing the searching emotion that Joni was living at the time. - --part0_909671153_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:26:54 EST From: Tleetie@aol.com Subject: Wtr: Cheryl Shock! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_909671216_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671216@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_909671216_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671216@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tleetie@aol.com Return-path: To: joni@smoe.com Subject: Cheryl Shock! Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:56:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oh NO!!!!! Cheryl (of "4 albums only" repute), get thee to a record store in your area and purchase Hejira IMMEDIATELY! You won't regret it! dc - --part0_909671216_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:26:30 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: dream come true in Detroit JAWebster2@aol.com wrote: > > So I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to start this e-mail, and I think > I've finally got it........... > I met Joni Mitchell! I met Joni! I met Joni! I met Joni! I met Joni!!!!! > My incredible evening of Joni. Please forgive the typos and > grammatical errors. It's late, and I'm just not having a lot of luck paying > attention to details at this point. > > jessica Another great story! Joni sounds so warm & open when talking to people who really appreciate what she does. Thanks, Jessica! And congratulations again to all you lucky people in Michigan! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:26:24 EST From: Tleetie@aol.com Subject: Wtr: First Joni Tune This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_909671188_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671188@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_909671188_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671188@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tleetie@aol.com Return-path: To: joni@smoe.com Subject: First Joni Tune Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:56:11 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, it was 'Help Me' on the radio, but I was around 10 years old, so it didn't mean much. The first time I PERCEIVED the brilliance was 'The Same Situation', sitting in my sister's very early 70's decorated feminist nest ('Our Bodies, Our Selves', Ernest and Julio Gallo chianti jugs with leftover wax from a million multi-colored candles, crystals in the window, etc.). It was the beginning of a love affair. dc PS: There may or may not have been a doobie present also... - --part0_909671188_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:27:19 EST From: Tleetie@aol.com Subject: Wtr: David Wright's TTT Review This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_909671240_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671240@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_909671240_boundary Content-ID: <0_909671240@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Tleetie@aol.com Return-path: To: joni@smoe.com Subject: David Wright's TTT Review Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:56:09 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Right on! I just wanted to say that your observations were so wonderfully accurate to me. I appreciate the way you can be incisive, describing detractions, yet staying on a note of respect for Joni's effort. I just thought what you said was very cool. More! np: Bonnie Raitt, 'Angel in Montgomery (Live)' - --part0_909671240_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:37:53 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON ) CONTENT (long)I Look, everyone.... I'm very new to this...I don't even have all the albums, OK? But I FEEL things so strongly, and I just can feel (words escape me here) such a beautiful soul light shining through all of you. And every day I marvel at the rare quality of heart and soul possessed by Joni. Tears are still rolling down my cheeks. Thank you. Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:03:54 -0500 From: "amy" Subject: feeling incredibly lucky this morning~AJC Good morning all, Just dragged myself out of bed this morning after an absolulety perfect day yesterday. Much more than I could have ever hoped for, or really even dreamed possible. Was it only yesterday that I had not one, but two conversations with Joni? I have always said that timing is everything in this life and yesterday was the perfect example...we really did just sort of stumble on the meet and greet in the lobby with Joni. Had we not gone down there to pick up the jmdler's arriving from the airport, we would have never seen her...and I must say, when she walked right past me and I thought, oh gee, there goes a woman lookin like Joni and then my brain kicked in and realized that it actually was her...quite a moment. She was lovely, and gracious and even when security stepped in, she was pleased to move with us as a group to another spot in the lobby...signing books and having photos snapped...when this woman speaks with you, the eye contact is incredible, and suddenly you start blabbering about your entire life story in the space of 4-5 minutes, at least that is what happened to me. When she turned to leave my knees actually buckled and I needed to lean against a table in the lobby..then she was off to her sound check and I thought, well, that was it, my moment with her, and it was unbelievable. The concert is another story in itself...I felt like I had 3 out of body experiences, this being number 2. I had the pleasure of sitting next to Robbert, who really is the one who was instrumental in making the original contact with Joni. After hearing her in Indy, and on the way to our home for an overnight visit, he drove to the Townsend Hotel and left a gift and a message for Joni with the hotel staff...I will let him tell you exactly what it said, but since he is on the way to Toronto today,(BTW with a backstage pass for tonights concert) I will just say that he made mention of the unruly fan in Indy and that he hoped that she would not let this get to her, as there are many people who were there just for her music and how much he was looking forward to seeing her in Detroit...this note and gift made a very big impression on Joni..she even called her band members and read them the note! I believe that this was a big boost to her and the set she gave us proved it...the moment she started amelia was spine tingling for me and I also loved free man in paris...every song was wonderful and only one little annoyance from the audience marred her mood. She had the place in the palm of her hand for trouble man also...siquomb. (Regarding the audience member...she said that this woman was looking at her with a defiant look, not paying attention, looking down alot and she believed her to be a critic...she said that she tried to move the mike so that she would out of her direct line of vision, but it wasnt working. She said that when she got to Sex Kills, her level of tolerance was up, so she stepped to the front of the mike, asked if everything was ok, etc...couldn't hear everything she said, but she told us later that the woman gave her a big smile and said all was well..gave her good feedback, so joni stepped back, smiled, and started Sex Kills...the entire concert was lovely and I was so glad to be next to Robbert... Out of body experience #3 occured back at the hotel, when we decided to dash down to the bar and hoping against hope that she might be there...and she was, sitting at the table next to us, with Larry and 2 other unindentified men...we were quiet, and reserved, no gushing, no intrusions...but I did manage to nurse a beer for well over a hour, waiting for the moment when we could approach and hopefully give her our gifts, etc. When the waiter brought their bill, (they all had a meal, from my vantage point, Joni had a big bowl of soup, a salad, some sort of fish with wild rice and was sipping cranberry juice..and smoking, of course...larry chowed down on an enormous shrimp cocktail) Robbert said hello again, and she was all smiles, asking the boys if she could stay for a few moments...they were very protective of their Joan, so they stayed close. There was no hotel security there at all..the thugs were off for the night, I guess. She took our gifts, talked about the concert, explained the whole heckler thing, had conversations with many of us and it still seems like a blur in my mind...she shook my hand, and seemed genuinely touched that we made such an effort. She began to walk down the hallway toward the elevators, we all sort of trailed after her because there really is only one set of elevators, so we were going the same way...she told us a lovely little story about a mockingbird near her old home, sue will share that one with you, and finally they got on the elevator and the doors shut and we were all standing there looking like a group of people who just made the connection of a lifetime. It still seems rather surreal to me...was it only just yesterday? We also got to enjoy the music of Marian and Terry...what a treat! Their playing was just wonderful and I wanted to thank them both for the privledge. We all packed up after a long day and night, and although I was planning on crashing at the hotel, I decided to run on home and sleep in my own bed. I just really needed that drive to clear my head and listen to hejira on my long drive home. Just wish someone had mentioned that it was 3:15 a.m. when I left...i had no idea. So those of us who shared these moments, my best to you...Terry, Sue, Robbert, Jim, Jeanne, Mary, Marian, Jennifer, Kelly...you will always be a part of these memories, and I couldn't imagine a nicer group of folks to share it with. Safe journeys home everyone... ~amy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:19:52 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: meeting joni what a week in jmdl history! what delicious meetings you guys are having with joni - makes me think we oughta find out where's she's staying in DC ;-)! barbara np: ani on much music ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:33:04 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: meeting joni She asked me not to tell, but for the DC/College Park leg of the tour, Joni's staying here in my apartment so she can hang out with the Wonderkitty. I'm negotiating with both of them to see if I can stay here too. ;-p Cheerz, Janet (currently cultivating a fur ball) At 10:19 AM 10/29/98 +0000, you wrote: >what a week in jmdl history! what delicious meetings you guys are having with >joni - makes me think we oughta find out where's she's staying in DC ;-)! > >barbara >np: ani on much music > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:44:22 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Meeting Joni/BumperSticker What with all these up-close-and-personals with Joni, I think the new bumper sticker should say: "The JMDL met Joni in Detroit -- TWICE -- and all I got was this stupid bumper sticker!" No this is not sour grapes ... I'm thrilled for you guys, just being a little jealous (not that there's anything WRONG with that!) ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:50:34 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: SIQUOMB Moments I am so happy for all my jmdl brothers and sisters who are having these wonderful SIQUOMB moments on the current tour. I *KNOW* you are giving Joni all kinds of positive energy. I think the love that you are bombarding her with will overcome all the loutish behavior she has had to put up with in the arenas. Much, much Joni... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:58:01 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: dream come true in Detroit I got tears in my eyes when she handed you the roses. She loves giving those roses to her fans--as you may remember, when she was in Chicago for the Old Town gig, she gave away the roses in her room. It is such a beautiful gesture and she obviously did connect with you. You are a lucky duck and I am envious and so happy for you. I have the same fears of losing all speech if I met her. Beautifully told . . . Cherish it . . . So many Joni meetings . . . what wonderful stories . . . Thanks for allowing us to live vicariously. Howard M "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:16:45 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: This Astrology Stuff... (NJC) Deep in the heart of JMDL, Eric wrote: >The more I contemplate the zodiac the more I see how this is true in my case and many others. The way I look at it, if the sun, moon and planets can affect auroras, tides, communication satellites, etc., etc., then they must certainly influence people, too. A classic Libra with Cancer moon and Sag rising, E.T. > Well, even if we accept that stars, planets etc can affect people (which I don't really), then why is it the moment of birth that's important, not conception? My son was born a month early, so should he be a Scorpio and not a Libra? Why is this something to do with the planets, and not something to do with my wife's hormones doing a quick fandango because she'd been up all night on her feet photocopying? Or was that in her stars? I hereby volunteer to analyse the final numbers in each star sign, and work out whether there is anything significant in the variations. I bet there won't be. (But I'll do the analysis professionally!) I'm Leo, BTW, August 20th. Been told I'm fairly typical, a vain so-and-so. Rubbish, excuse me while I check my mane, I mean hair. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:19:08 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: dream come true in Detroit Go Jessica! How incredibly wonderful! Joni's wonderful persona was shown to you, as it was to me when I met her a year ago. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I see Joni as a very caring and extremely sensitive person. Above all she is brutally honest. What she's feeling is not just written on her face, it comes out of her mouth. It may get her in trouble sometimes, but to me it is refreshing. Joni Mitchell never lies, lies, lies, lies... JAWebster2@aol.com wrote: > So I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to start this e-mail, and I think > I've finally got it........... > I met Joni Mitchell! I met Joni! I met Joni! I met Joni! I met Joni!!!!!-- - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:30:32 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Joni ads for PPV From my TCI PPV guide: "An Evening with Joni Mitchell" "The peace and love of the '60s lives on in the '90s through Mitchell's soothing songs. Feel like a "Free Man in Paris" or a "Lady of the Canyon" as you enjoy the familiar harmonies of a time when you could "Kiss the Summer Lawns" of Woodstock." Ha! Fact checker broke apart there a bit, don'tcha think?? MG np: "Little Green" (envying, (yet thrilled to death!), for the Detroit JMDL'ers, not the song.....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:39:50 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: dream come true in Detroit -Reply >>> Phyliss Ward 10/29/98 08:19am >>> >> I see Joni as a very caring and extremely sensitive person. Above all she is brutally honest. What she's feeling is not just written on her face, it comes out of her mouth. It may get her in trouble sometimes, === I've been reading the incredible Close Encounters of the SIQUOMB Kind and thinking this as well. She is brutally honest about her work. She does have a huge ego that may be a bit insecure since she seems to need affirmation, but then, who doesn't want to be acknowledged? One thought keeps running through my head: in his later years, Picasso ran into a mutual friend of the legendary Gerald and Sara Murphy. They had been extremely close in the beginning of his career, but this amd that pushed them apart. When asked if he had any message for the Murphy's, he said, "Tell them that I am rich and famous, but alone." I think of that scenario against Joni's legendary difficult nature and for the most part, she seems to keep it confined to her art. I don't see her as a personally empty Picasso. Ex-lovers and old friends don't gravitate around all-around bitches. I think that Graham Nash once said of Joni: "...she means a great deal to a great many people." And her actions with her fans, her continuing relationship with Klein, Nash and others really confirm what Phyliss has said. Thanks to all for such wonderful tales!!! MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 17:07:35 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni ads for PPV Hey MG, Thought you might appreciate this, I'd post it to the list except I'm ready for the backlash :-) "Remember the 60s? Joni does, but she won't sing anything that she in that decade. Remember "Both Sides Now," "Circle Game," "Free Man In Paris," and "Help Me?" Joni does, but she won't sing 'em. During her set on the current tour with Bob Dylan, Dylan fans talk and chatter amongst themselves and fidget restlessly in arenas and stadiums -- and those are the polite ones. Join us for "An Evening With Joni Mitchell" and see what all the fuss is about." On 10/29/98 11:30AM, Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote: From my TCI PPV guide: "An Evening with Joni Mitchell" "The peace and love of the '60s lives on in the '90s through Mitchell's soothing songs. Feel like a "Free Man in Paris" or a "Lady of the Canyon" as you enjoy the familiar harmonies of a time when you could "Kiss the Summer Lawns" of Woodstock." Ha! Fact checker broke apart there a bit, don'tcha think?? MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:31:00 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Cheers to Joni in TV Guide Seems Joni's outrage is burning with a purer and purer flame. Happily I'm envisioning Joni as Xena, downing philistines with her chakram (a razor edged frisbee thing, for you non xenites) - -jan >I thought of this today: > >"You're acting like tourists, man" Isle of Wight - 1969 > >"No one ever asked Van Gogh to paint A Starry Night Again" >- Miles of Aisles - 1974 > >" If you don't dig the music, fine, but don't pitch shit up >here at us - have a little respect" - Amnesty International concert - 1986 > >"you assholes, drunken dumbfucks, filthy little shits, we're human beings, >you're not watching a movie up here" - Indianapolis - 1998 > >The newly reconstituted Joni - ah yes. > >Kakki > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:40:12 -0500 From: Roger Walker Subject: Images from the Indy concert Greetings jmdlers! Since attending the show at Indianapolis I've been busy with the photographs that I took for Wally's site. Finally, they're all processed, printed, scanned and sent to him... so I thought I'd "play" with 'em a little bit! I took some of the images and manipulated them to sort of reflect the way the show impacted me. Take a look... http://www.florida-condo.com/joni/joni-pix.htm - -- rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 17:49:38 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni ads for PPV oops... I sure don't know how *that* happened, I SPECIFICALLY removed joni@smoe.org from the "TO" field. It was just supposed to go to MG. Well, you guys know I was just being playful, with a little black humor about the rude Dylan fans who are really pissing me off. Had to leave my seat at the Vancouver show cause there was too much talking in my section for me to enjoy her performance :-( Sure hope the NYC crowd -- and those at all the upcoming venues -- show a little more respect! -Kenny embarrassed by his mispost :-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:55:38 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: lindsay learns to groove..(NJC). I love the laughs I get from reading this great stuff! THANK YOU!!! Love, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:10:58 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: This Astrology Stuff... (NJC) In a message dated 10/29/98 12:33:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, phy6pgk@phys- irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk writes: << >The more I contemplate the zodiac the more I see how this is true in my case and many others. The way I look at it, if the sun, moon and planets can affect auroras, tides, communication satellites, etc., etc., then they must certainly influence people, too. >> Anyone who has ever worked in an emergency room or been a police beat reporter for a daily newspaper will tell you that there are more and stranger incidents during the full moon. Our bodies, and especially our nervous systems, consist predominantly of water, so I accept as a fact that the phases of the moon and to a lesser extend those of the planets will affect how we act. I'm willing to accept the theory of astrology much more than its details. What is difficult to accept is that people are smart enough to accurately gauge what those affects are and transform them into personality profiles. Certainly, the horoscopes published in daily newspapers are meaningless. And if all this is true, then it is not only the relative positions of the sun, moon and planets that have an affect, but also their relative proximity, which is usually overlooked by most astrologers. IF Mars is to have an affect on my personality and/or actions, then isn't it important to know whether Mars is close to Earth, where its slight gravitational pull might have an affect, or on the other side of the sun, where its effect would be negated? Paul I NP: Refuge of the Roads (Godspeed, John Glenn) "Anytime you have the opportunity to throw out a runner trying to score from first on a double into the right-field corner and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:16:06 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: dream come true in Detroit jessica - wonderful! its just great! what a thrill for you and us, vicariously. thanks for sharing. love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:36:32 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: re: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? I don't understand heckling at these Dylan/Mitchell shows. I mean, some Dylan fans pay $60 to see their man, and they heckle the other act. Guys, if you don't like what's happening on stage, just go to the bar and eat some overpriced nachos. Compare your Dockers and topsiders or something. I didn't see any Joni fans acting like nimrods when Van Morrison and Dylan were doing their sets. Of course, (sniff), our breeding wouldn't allow it... - -jan >>Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:02:23 PST >>From: "Don Rowe" >>Subject: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? > >>It seems that Joni's been heckled at every show so far, to >>some degree or another, by some jerk impatient for his Dylan fix. So >>what happened? Since when did louts and clowns start listening to >>Dylan? > >I first noticed this rabble element among Bob's flock during the 30th >anniversary tribute gala at Madison Sq. Garden, wherein they booed Sinead >O'Connor off the stage (because of her shredding of the Pope's portrait >during a live "Saturday Night Live" television broadcast). I was really >bummed to hear about the harassment she had to endure from some twits in >Indianapolis, but thrilled to hear that it sounds like the crowd ultimately >rallied around her. >paul >s. bethlehem, ny > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:25:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: re: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? This is the first concert in this type of venue that I've gone to in years. I swore them off the last time I saw Mary Chapin Carpenter in a dome stadium. While I'm trying to listen to her gorgeous ballads the jerks who had come to see The Mavericks were partying their heads off. I said never again. But, for Joni........ Jerry Godspeed, John Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:28:32 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: dream come true in Detroit >When she took my Hejira book, she said "Hejira is probably my favorite". This is interesting to hear. Does anyone know of any other recent statements Joni made on other of her earlier recordings? - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:15:54 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Circle Game question... Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:57:51 -0500 From: "Perroni, Stephen" Does anyone remember a movie made within the last ten years called "Married To It"? I have sort of remember it starring Mary Stewart Masterson and Cybil Sheppard. In the last scene there was an elementary school play where the kids all sang The Circle Game. Let me know if I'm on the right track! I was with an old friend of mine recently Who reminded me of a grade school play we were in and the whole class sang Both Sides Now. We thought we were so cool in our polyester leisure suits with silk flowered shirts and dock sider shoes. Wish we had video cams back in 1975 to record that "vintage" stuff!! steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:31:17 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: calling all DC area PPV watchers Hi everyone, I called Jones communication this morning and indeed ordered 'An Evening with Joni Mitchell' airing Friday November 6th at 9:00pm. Ahhhh, now I can relax. Joni is being beamed even to the far away burbs of Woodbridge virginia. This is your invitation to come out and watch the show. Cindy and I are making veggie chilly and cornbread. I'll have some sodas. We don't drink alcohol, but if you want to it doesn't bother us. Just bring what you want to drink. Bring whatever you want to add to dinner or snacks for later when we are watching TV. Yo, Jules, are you gonna help me organize this, or should we let fate bring what may? We have three cats (Chessie, Griffin and Mister Kitty) that probably won't be around all of the people, but if you have allergies, take your meds. The show starts at 9:00, dinner around 7:00. Come early and hang out with me & Cindy, Julie & Jon, Bill & Jerry N. all the way from Florida. I have all of next week off from work, so I will NOT be getting e-mail here where I subscribe to JMDL. You can contact me at home at: chakram@concentric.net home phone: 703-492-7588 directions from DC (not the scenic route, but the most direct): take 395 south this turns in to 95 south cruise until you see the sign for Prince William parkway take the second exit that says Woodbridge (slow down on the ramp!) go a few blocks, the parkway dead ends turn left on Summerland go about a block and turn left on to Horner Road go about a block and turn right on to Forest Glen go about a block and turn right on to Greenacre this is a winding street so go slow you'll feel like you are in a Tim Burton film when you view the scarey "architecture" (that may very well be Edward Scissorhands you see) 13413 Greenacre drive is the place to be PS: you can get in the HOV lanes on 95 south after 6:00. I just realized it will be rush hour hell... If you get in the HOV lanes, just get off at the Prince William parkway exit. At the very bottom of the ramp turn left (the right is a parking lot, don't go in there). The next light will be the parkway. Turn left, go to Summerland, follow instructions above. This will probably be your best bet. Hope everyone can make it. Looking forward to it, and especially the concert on the 5th!!! Woo hoo! Thanks Wally and Les for making all of this possible. Sherrie Patrick, you do have 2 tickets for me on Saturday to van Gogh, right? print out these directions and head south ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:44:03 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni moments revisited Thanks for sharing this. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:38:27 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Tonight In a message dated 98-10-28 09:21:44 EST, you write: << >> I agree--putting JM with BD was a promoter faux pas. Joni is the show. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:48:02 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: TOTALLY JONI (IN PERSON ) CONTENT (long)I I am totally jealous. You lucky dogs!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:52:54 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Haloween(NJC) (I think someone asked this last year) What's everbody doing for Haloween?, costume-wise I mean. I'm going as "Chef" from South Park "Hello, Children!" John~ NP "None Of The Above" Zappa/Ensemble Modern ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Indy Images The images are beautiful. Thanks for sharing them. Medric Faulkner _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 22:01:24 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Posting to the Dylan List Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request, posted to the Dylan list from the JMDL, asking Dylan fans to PLEASE be courteous and respectful of Joni's performance during the balance of the tour, would possibly do any good/harm? -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:02:22 -0500 From: Brett Code Subject: Going to Toronto I'm on the plane from Calgary to Toronto to see tonight's show. I'm only slightly less excited than I was when I went to Vancouver last spring. Nothing like the first time I saw her, at the Edmonton Folk Festival, but the thrill just won't die. I love Joni Mitchell music. In Today's Globe and Mail, Chris Dafoe, who reviewed Joni, Bob and Van in Vancouver, wrote a story in anticipation of tonight's show in Toronto's ancient hockey shrine, Maple Leaf Gardens - the home arena of all those 'raised on robbery' with a little money riding on the Maple Leafs (a hockey team that's been around for decades). I'm only including the parts about Joni: "Dinosaurs, Perhaps, But Far From Extinct" It would be easy to characterize tonight's Bob Dylan/Joni Mitchell double bill as an exercise in nostalgia. These are, after all, two 1960s icons, and you can count on baby boomers being out in force. They'll bring with them the ironies that arise when middle-aged affluence revisits youthful rebellion, when folks hum tunes about social justice in the back of a rented limousine. But sweep aside the ironies for a moment, pull your eyes from the receding hairlines and expanding tummies and focus on the music: it's clear that both Dylan and Mitchell have escaped the nostalgia trap. The evidence is apparent both on disc and on stage. While the Rolling Stones have, since the late seventies, recorded dud after dud to justify lavish tours, both Dylan, 57, and Mitchell, 54, have recently released albums that can stand alongside their best work and that offer rich portraits of life after youth. . . . While two generations of Mitchell fans continue to wallow in the moody introspection of her classic 1971 album, Blue, the singer herself has moved on. Her latest, Taming the Tiger, offers a self portrait of the artist as curmudgeon - the title track is a grumpy swipe at the music biz - and of a mature woman warming herself in the fire of love. "I'm middle-aged mama/And time moves swift," she sings in Face Lift, shrugging off her mother's objections to her affair with Saskatoon songwriter Don Freed, "Love takes so much courage/Love takes so much shit!" While both Dylan and Mitchell have both ended up comfortable in middle-age, they've travelled very different paths. While Mitchell has recorded sparingly and almost never toured, Dylan has been a veritable road warrior over the last decade or so. His never-ending tour. . . . Mitchell hasn't been nearly as busy (illness has kept her off the road for much of the last decade) and when sh's appeared she hasn't been so eager to play the crowd-pleaser. Her show at GM Place last summer focused almost exclusively on her jazz-fusion repertoire - plenty from Hejira, nada from Court and Spark [He's wrong here, of course, since she did play 'Just Like This Train". In his last review he wrongly said that she focussed on newer music only - the jmdl's own Roberto wrote a stinging letter to him which obviously caused him to do at least a little research.] until she tossed in Big Yellow Taxi as a grudging encore [he's wrong about that, too - her BYT was offered up as a gift and performed with vigour - it still rings in my memory]. In recent performances, she's added a radically reworked version of Woodstock to the set, but a greatest hits set is not in the cards. With her insistence that she's an artist, not a jukebox, Mitchell keeps nostalgia at bay. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:06:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Maryland Get-Together I tried to send this to the college park, maryland list, but it came back so I am sending it out to everyone because time is short. So far, I have heard from the following people in response to the get-together before the show: barbara - (how many, to be determined) michael- maybe, depending on things patrick - see above the fabulous webbs -definite sherrie and three, including jerry notaro - definite if you are not on this list, but want to come and join in on the fun before the show, at a location which offers total convenience and a chance to beat the rush hour traffic and meet and greet two miles from the show, PLEASE let me know by tomorrow. I am likely to be moving next week and will therefore want to get the groceries this sunday and have it at my friends house. The time is up to you, but feel free to arrive any time after 4. If you have contacted me as a maybe, I really need to know if you are definite, and how many you plan to bring. I will be sending directions to all who respond to this message asking for them, sometime next week. thanks, bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:34:16 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Posting to the Dylan List In a message dated 98-10-29 17:04:52 EST, kg@ibm.net writes: << Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request, posted to the Dylan list from the JMDL, asking Dylan fans to PLEASE be courteous and respectful of Joni's performance during the balance of the tour, would possibly do any good/harm? >> i say we challenge them to a rumble! come on listers. we could mop the floor with that bunch of drunks!!! peace??? ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:26:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Posting to the Dylan List Kenny asked: >Does anyone think that a polite, well-worded request, posted to the >Dylan list from the JMDL, asking Dylan fans to PLEASE be courteous >and respectful of Joni's performance during the balance of the tour, would >possibly do any good/harm? Naw, I think we should send a choice, well-worded demand that thay had BETTER be courteous and respectful of Joni's performance quring the balance of the tour and then sign all 500 of our names to it. ;-) Kakki > > > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #447 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?