From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #443 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 443 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:Joni moments (another poll) ["morten feiring" ] Re:Joni moments (another poll) [MTDS ] Re: Sehnsucht (SJC)/Hejira ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: JC not dead (NJC) [catman ] NY tickets available ["Deb Messling" ] oops -- wrong word! ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Joni Video Clips Online (Now NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: NY Times letters/adoption [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: Joni Video Clips Online (Now NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Joni's art ["Marsha" ] The Chicago Concert -- Chapter 1 ["Don Rowe" ] Re: JC not dead (NJC) [catman ] 2 extra tix for College Park show [Michael Yarbrough ] Indy list [Kai Wong ] Role switches (NJC) ["Marsha" ] joni moments(another poll) [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: joni moments (another poll) ["John M. Lind" ] Re: ways to handle the JMDL information flow (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Joni's Sagittarius rising [Dreamzvill@aol.com] The Chicago Concert -- Chapter 2 ["Don Rowe" ] Kyle Eastwood reviewed....Joni mentioned [mann@chicagonet.net] Chicago and JMDL [Diana Duncan ] Re: Joni's Art ["John M. Lind" ] Joni, Tonight [Bounced Message ] New Thread, Maybe ["John M. Lind" ] Astro Sign ["Donald Fluke" ] Tribute Album [DanVall@aol.com] Re: New Thread, Maybe [catman ] Re: Joni, Tonight ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: New Thread, Maybe ["Marsha" ] Will Joni be on PPV in Seattle on Nov. 6? [Bounced Message ] Re: Kyle Eastwood reviewed....Joni mentioned [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: New Thread, Maybe [catman ] Re: New Thread, Maybe ["Marsha" ] Re: New Thread, Maybe ["John M. Lind" ] Re: New Thread, Maybe [catman ] Re: New Thread, Maybe ["Don Rowe" ] Re: New Thread, Maybe ["John M. Lind" ] The Dylan Louts -- Since When? ["Don Rowe" ] Pat Metheny advice (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Trouble Man [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Kyle Eastwood reviewed....Joni mentioned ["Don Rowe" ] Joni explodes with anger in Indy--(long) w/set list [BH1248@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:34:11 +0100 From: "morten feiring" Subject: Re:Joni moments (another poll) This I remember very clearly, as if it was today: The first time I heard Joni was back in 74 (or 73 ?). I was 15 or 16 years old. I was in my bed at night listening to my radio, and the station was either Radio Luxembourg or Radio Caroline. Then there was a song and voice that immediately hit me right on target: Joni singing "Free man in Paris." I have never before or after had such an experience of joy upon hearing an artist for the first time as I did that night. Since then, of course, there's been many great moments of joy in listening to Joni's voice, music and words. Morten ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:58:11 -0800 From: MTDS Subject: Re:Joni moments (another poll) so many moments, so little bandwidth... :) For several years "Court 'N Spark" was my "house-cleaning" music of choice. A glass of white wine, a sponge, and "Help Me" was all I needed to get my household chores started... Several more glasses and replays ... all was right with the world. (Why doesn't it work anymore? :)) The most bittersweet moment was dancing to "Electricity" one afternoon in '74, and truly hearing the depth of the lyrics brought tears to my eyes. "...While the song that he sang her to soothe her to sleep runs all through her circuits like a heartbeat..." - -michelle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility More Funk in the Cruise Lounge http://www.sundownlady.com/index1.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:18:37 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Sehnsucht (SJC)/Hejira David Mascall wrote: >A few German-language comments and posts on the list have made me think of the >lovely word "Sehnsucht" (dictionary def: longing,yearning) which I >encountered through Edgar Reis's "Zweite Heimat" film cycle. This could be a >one-word summing up of the feel of Hejira (as if this were possible...) if >I'vegot the meaning right.David, "Sehnsucht" correctly translates into "longing, yearning". I agree with you this is one very important element of Hejira -- you can find adjacent lyrics in a lot of songs, and the music itself IMO also strongly expresses longing. But as you already indicated yourself, one-word sum-ups of such complex works are dangerous, if not impossible at all. To cover it all, you have to get really abstract, and then you usually end up with a dull and colorless general phrase. (As a legal student, I know what I'm talking about!) "Sehnsucht"/yearning is a great and powerful word, but I don't think it covers every important aspect of Hejira. To me, the entire album is one big metaphor for change, for transgression (see what I mean?), for coming and going, grasping and letting go, for searching and finding, being disappointed and searching again -- for how change affects people generally. This everlasting and often circular (particles of change, orbiting around the sun/love's a repetitious danger/29 skaters on Wollman rink...) process includes many different emotions and aspects. Longing may well be the motivation, the thing that brings about change in us and keeps it going, but I think there's more. For instance, IMO (self-) discovery is also a very important element of Hejira, as well as the suffering which comes from change. To some extent, we all are caught between the need to change and the longing to stop it, and that's probably why Hejira deeply touches so many of us. At least that's why I love it, although I don't share its mainly pessimistic approach. Thanks for your post! Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:25:08 -0000 From: "Tyrer, Paul" Subject: [none] The first time I heard Joni was Manchester in 82... I saw the video for Chinese Cafe on the BBC and nearly fell off my chair with awe!! I rushed out the next day to the record store and looked through all her albums but didn't know which one to buy. I couldn't find Wild Things run Fast, which I take as a personal blessing from God as it's the one Joni album I dislike (except... see below). Instead I bought Hejira for three pounds cos I liked the cover - another blessing, gee thanks God. Maybe I should turn religious. Maybe not! Anyway, the rest is history. Various Joni-epiphanies followed. Most recently I really fell in love with Clouds - probably for the first time - when my new boyfriend played it on a dark Winter's morning in bed to candlelight. I didn't even know he liked Joni. It was a great moment when the first twangs of tin angel came from the speakers... Paul Re: Howard's 'Shadows and Light - why do people hate this?' comment. Er, well, I love it and it's my Joni-pal's favourite record of all time. Miles of Aisles, however.... Are there any Joni bootlegs around from other concerts? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:47:38 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JC not dead (NJC) Just a matter of opinion. some millers wrote: > >Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:49:19 -0500 > >From: "John T. Folden" > >Subject: RE: Halloween help (absolutely NJC) > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Deb Messling > > > >> I'm invited to a party where I must come as a famous dead person. > > > > >Depending on how hip and modern the party is, you could always try Jesus. > > > > Sorry John, but there was only a three day window of opportunity wherein > that costume would have qualified for admittance to such a party. Sorry > list, but I couldn't let that slide into the archives without comment. > > Paul > S. Bethlehem, NY > np - nada... just another silent, starry, night. Amen. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:51:00 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: NY tickets available BDTS came through for me, so I have two tickets available for the show at Madison Square Garden on Sunday night. Section 336, Row K, seats 12-13. They are $55 tickets, with the usual Ticketmonster prices applying (does Ticketmaster know that all of cyberspace verbally abuses them?) Let me know asap, of course. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:25:21 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: oops -- wrong word! David, all, I just noticed that I've used a wrong word in my previous post (Re: Sehnsucht). I wrote "transgression", but actually meant to say "transition"! Close words, but quite different meanings! Winfried > "Sehnsucht"/yearning is a great and powerful word, but I don't think it > covers every important aspect of Hejira. To me, the entire album is one > big metaphor for change, for transgression (see what I mean?), for > coming and going, grasping and letting go, for searching and finding, > being disappointed and searching again -- for how change affects people > generally. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:26:56 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Video Clips Online (Now NJC) In a message dated 10/26/98 6:19:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, REUBEN3@prodigy.net writes: << I think that you have to be an aol subscriber to access this. >> That may be the case in trying to use the hyper link, otherwise, I think you can get there by using this url: http://aol.mtv.com/mtv/influences/html/joni_mitchell/index.html Then again, I could be wrong. Let me know, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:51:05 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Times letters/adoption In a message dated 10/27/98 12:14:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, barbearuh@erols.com writes: << so there's my take on it. i hope you don't think i'm being overly judgmental here. i really don't think any of us can speculate about what's right for anyone in this situation (especially since we are only given a tiny glimpse of it). i certainly understand the emotional why's behind all of this stuff. although i haven't had a reunion, i do hope for one and mull over all the possibilities, which is why i'm so damned reacti >> Barbara, Thanks for pulling all the pieces together for me. I agree with you in that once one is touched by the adoption experience at any level of the triad: birthparent, adoptee or adoptive parent, one would probably have a strong reaction to this whole reunion. I am actually amazed at your openess and honesty of feelings as an adoptee, for I would have expected from you and Michael to have been more positive in Kilauran's reunion. It makes me feel a LOT better that I, as an adoptive mom, DO have an influence and a large role in the growth of my children. And yes, I'd be pissed if my kids spent the holidays with the birthparent they only recently met. ; ) From my understanding of adoption, almost all adoptees have a fantasy of what their "real" parents are like. Many think they must be famous, wealthy people. This is actually a fantasy of many non-adoptees as well. It's called the Family Romance theory. Anyway, imagine how Kilauran felt when she found out that this actually was the case! It drew her to Joni. The mistake I think was made, which I agree with you on, is how Joni presented all of this to the press. It should have been a wee bit more private. I had the same raw reaction as you, when Joni said things like, the Gibbs are "ok" with this, they're working it through. Or, "my family" this and that. Hell, it stings! Any time there is a reunion, there are bound to be psychological bumps in the road. I've heard both positive and negative stories. The positive ones are usually those where the birthparents are overjoyed to meet up with their grown birth child. And in those cases, most adoptees tend to take a step back after the initial excitement, and continued contact is less frequent..from my experience anyway. I certainly would be interested in knowing K's relationship with the Gibbs pre and post Joni contact. That is the big missing piece for me. If things had been strained to begin with, it would make sense for K to reach out for Joni's love. Another part that is missing in this discussion is that I would hope that all adoptive parents would feel happy (even if there is anxiety involved) that their children were able to find the missing link in their lives. Everyone is entitled to find their roots, their connections in life. I only hope that K got some support and direction, for she must surely have a lot of mixed emotions and feelings from all of this. The strain in her relationships certainly tend to point to that. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:12:18 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni Video Clips Online (Now NJC) REUBEN3 wrote: << I think that you have to be an aol subscriber to access this. >> Then Terry wrote: <<>> Anyone can get there by going to: http://www.mtv.com/ The Influences section is featured on their front page right now, so just click through the obvious links and you'll be there in no time. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:29:35 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's art In a message dated 10/27/98 2:59:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << Just because the woman is a genius with music and lyrics > doesn't automatically mean she should be a master painter. True, but Joni's the one presenting herself as a painter first, and a painter who now seeks respect for her work, not just someone happily painting any old thing. >> I must sound like Ms. Advocate de la Devil since I'm the one who said initially that the art work was weak. My response was mainly to other listers here who felt she was a brilliant, gifted painter, not to Joni herself. Joni can call herself a painter, sure. But I haven't heard her describe her art work in the same manner she describes herself as a musician and songwriter. Correct me if I'm wrong. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:29:42 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: JC not dead (NJC) some millers wrote: > >Depending on how hip and modern the party is, you could always try Jesus. > > > > Sorry John, but there was only a three day window of opportunity wherein > that costume would have qualified for admittance to such a party. I know I shouldn't do this but, if Christ was crucified on Friday, died sometime on Friday afternoon & rose from the dead the following Sunday morning, where do you get 3 days?? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:35:18 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni's art - -----Original Message----- From: TerryM2442@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Joni's art >I must sound like Ms. Advocate de la Devil since I'm the one who said >initially that the art work was weak. My response was mainly to other listers >here who felt she was a brilliant, gifted painter, not to Joni herself. Joni >can call herself a painter, sure. But I haven't heard her describe her art >work in the same manner she describes herself as a musician and songwriter. >Correct me if I'm wrong. Hi, Terry and all. To paraphrase, Joni has stated she is working at the development of her painting and feels it is coming along well. Again I will say viewing the paintings themselves instead of prints would make a difference in anyone's perceptions (notice, I do not say "opinions") of her talent. After viewing some of Mary Cassatt's works from private collections of which I had only seen prints in the past, I came out of her exhibition this weekend with a renewed appreciation of her. I see how dull and faded most prints appear, and made a promise to myself to try and conserve and not spend money on prints and framing them, and go for originals of things I like, even if I attempt to render them myself. Marsha, getting out the paints after Jonishows ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:41:37 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: The Chicago Concert -- Chapter 1 Words are such poor soldiers to enlist in a description of the United Center concert ... yes it was that transcendent. But try I will, and please excuse me if this comes out in bits and pieces -- you guys buried me like an avalanche of 433, yes count 'em, 433 new messages over the weekend. So without further ado -- who but Joni cuold turn the United Center into a small club that seats about 50? Who else plays with such relaxed ease, sings with such purity and moves with such elegant grace? Mary Cassatt may have painted women's hands well, but give me Joni's moving across the strings of her guitar any day! At once playful and reverent, chipper and melancholy -- disposing of her one heckler with charm and ease -- and turning the crowd around completely ... complete with her trademark "change of mind" on one song. Well it was all there, and I'm glad I was as well. Stay tuned for ... "The Illuminated Crosses of the Magdalene Laundries" - -- Chapter 2 in a series, The Chicago Concert. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:01:08 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JC not dead (NJC) Mark or Travis wrote: > > > I know I shouldn't do this but, if Christ was crucified on Friday, died > sometime on Friday afternoon & rose from the dead the following Sunday > morning, where do you get 3 days?? Good point Mark! My objection to such remarks is not that I think it untrue(I believ all poeple survive physical death) but the arrogance behind it. Just because someone believes a thing does not make it TRUTH. Some people believe everything in the bible and decide it is the Absolute Truth, failing to understand that that is merely their choice and interpretation, not TRUTH. How they can do this when it is full of racism, homophobia, child abuse I personally do not know. I feel that those who have felt much fear and shame are susceptible to belief in a punitive God they must believe in ....or else.No matter how irate and offended these believers get at we who hold a diffrerent view, it still does not add validity to their beliefs. In fact it seems to make it even less valid especially when their manner of attack is so at varience with what Jesus, whom they profess to follow, taught. For the record I am not an athiest and I am not a religionist. I believe in using th brain and conscience I was born with. I will live and die by that. I have nothing to fear as my God is not to be feared in any way. It seems to me that many people have decided that god is made in our image. The God I hear preached about by various creeds is based on all the worst attributes of man and women. Only a human would say obey or else! Only a human would demand worship and constant praise. Only a human would demand a painful disgusting death as sacrifice for an offended ego. History is full of such people. No, for me, God is nothing like. > > > Mark in Seattle - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:19:10 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: 2 extra tix for College Park show I have two extra tickets for the College Park Joni/Bob show. I am looking to sell them for face value plus Ticketbastard charges. I would prefer to sell them to a JMDLer, so I'm making them available here first. If you are interested, please contact me by Thursday, October 29. I have non-JMDLers interested in the tickets and don't want to leave them hanging too long. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 98 10:15:21 EST From: Kai Wong Subject: Indy list Can someone please tell me if joni played DJRD last night? I am dying to know. Do you think she would take requests at Madison Square Garden? Kai np: Lucinda Williams/Car Wheels Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:37:27 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Role switches (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki To: BarBearUh Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:19 AM Subject: Re: NY Times letters >I also chuckle about this. Maybe for fun the optimists and cynics should >try a role reversal week on the JMDL sometime just like any good debating >team ;-) I like this idea. OK, here goes my little part of a role switch I might play on the Jonilist: "I think we should all strive to be loved and adored by every single listmember whoever comes down the pike...especially ones who act out and play victim and whine and threaten and crap all over the playground here. We should write syrupy and sympathetic posts to all who demand attention, begging them not to leave and huff away because someone has been 'mean-spirited' to them...I should lose sleep at night, if I think someone might not like me in cyberville. After all, being liked by the whole world is the most important thing a person can work at having in his/her life and is the key to peace, love, harmony and babyshit. And I should lecture the list here about every other week with this little sermon! And most of all we should fawn all over those who carp about every little thing they can that they don't like about Joni Mitchell. Especially the ones who don't buy her works, don't attend her concerts, and never pay attention to our posts, but only want us to sniff their smelly farts." OOoohh, this is fun. I wonder if Reprise will let me develop my character here a little more? HAHAHA! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:57:21 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: joni moments(another poll) Since I started this mess, I guess I have to indulge my own longing for nostalgia and share my first joni moment. What is so great about hearing these stories is that it seems universal that JM has a profound affect on the people who love her. I was 13 years old. I had been sent to Carbondale, Colorado for boarding school. Since my parents were in Israel at the time, there was no one to accompany me. A friend of the family, Gordon, had a girlfriend in Denver. She offered to pick me up from the airport in Denver and to let me stay with her overnight till the next day when the bus going to the school departed. The first two weeks at the school involved what was referred to as a "Wilderness Session." It felt like survival training to me. At any rate, I spent one day alone in her house when she was at work. Since I love music, I had to look through her albums and I came across FTR. Joni looked ethereal in her green velvet, the proverbial earth mother. I was captivated to her on that basis and I had to sample the sound. Like a Helen Keller identifying with "water", I felt an affinity with the words and music that was moving. Michelle (a fellow JMDL) shared the "electricity." It hit me like that too. I think I put a thousand miles on that record in a day's time, memorizing the words and tunes. The rest is an addiction that "I can't give up just yet." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:02:43 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: joni moments (another poll) MHart16164@aol.com wrote: >So, where and when were YOU when you first heard joni???? And what was the song. I was in Cary, NC(a suburb of Raleigh) in the spring of 1985. My friend Keith(who turned me on to more music than I can ever repay him for) said to me(as had many times before and countless times since) "Oh, MAN! You don't know___{Joni, in this case}? You gotta hear THIS!" He riffles through 'Peaches' crates full of albums, pulls out this vaugely two-tone blue and rust colerd sleeve and sets the needle down ; then it happend. Out of the speakers there slowly rose these incredible waves of sound, low vibrations, high-soaring, beatiful cries and sharp, clean brush strokes of guitar. I was mesmerized all the way through the first side from the beginning of "Overture/Cotton Ave." through the end of "Jericho". Then he turned the record over and *topped it*! I couldn't beleive "Paprika Plains". I still get chills listening to this composition. Anyway, now that I'm done waxing overly-descriptive, the answer is: Where? Cary, NC When? Spring, 1985 What Song? Overture/Cotton Ave. John~ NP "Yeha-Noha" Sacred Spirits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:53:50 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: ways to handle the JMDL information flow (NJC) Morten asks: > This is perhaps a stupid question, but here goes: Does anyone have a piece or two of good > advice on how to handle all this information in an effective and rational way? Of course > there's the NJC and the self-discipline way, but still.... > Perhaps the veterans on the list have some useful clues on how to solve such a "problem"! > Well, guess you just gotta save time somewhere else, dear Morten! Here's a few suggestions that might bring some temporary relief: 1) Organize yourself better. Eliminate all unnecessary activities. Such as having more than one meal per day, going outside your house, having off-line conversations etc.etc. Plenty of time to save here! 2) Concerning the "English-as-a-foreign-language problem", well, make it your first language! Why bother speaking Norwegian, when there's hundreds of million people speaking English, but only 5 millon speaking Norwegian, who can't even agree on one single standard language! This bokmal/nynorsk stuff is just too complicated. And Europe's and Scandinavia's young and dynamic people prefer English to their mother tongues, anyway. For what other reason would there be so many anglicisms/americanisms in our television/radio/newspaper ads? The truth is: everybody wants to speak English these days. O.K. one possible exception: The French. Do we care about France? Didn't they just win the soccer world cup on us? We don't care about France. 3) Quit your job and take advantage of the excellent Norwegian welfare system. If they won't provide you with free internet access, sue before the European Court of Human Rights. (If you need a lawyer, you know whom to call ...) 3) Move to a place that's less populated than the one you're living in right now. The fewer people there are, the more time you have for yourself aka. the JMDL. I estimate your island community has about 3.000 - - 5.000 inhabitants. That's already way too many! Spitzbergen, for instance, would be much more appropriate, provided, of course, they have internet access there. (They sure have...what else can people do there?) 3) Has it ever occurred to you, how time-consuming belonging to an old-fashioned flesh-and-blood family is? The JMDL, your cyber-family, has much more to offer! Plus, compared to Scientology, we're a real bargain, and there is no such thing as this stupid, old-fashioned and ineffective brainwashing method called auditing. Listening to Joni-tunes and discussing them on the list will get you to Operating Thetan Level much cheaper and quicker than Ron Hubbard ever would have imagined (and this guy really had a wild imagination...)! See -- it's easy!!!! Winfried, who will send the legal consultation bill as soon as he passes his exams :-) thisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajkoke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:03:47 -0500 From: heather Subject: Re: ways to handle the JMDL information flow (NJC) At 05:53 PM 10/27/98 +0100, you wrote: >Morten asks: > > >> This is perhaps a stupid question, but here goes: Does anyone have a piece or two of good >> advice on how to handle all this information in an effective and rational way? Of course >> there's the NJC and the self-discipline way, but still.... >> Perhaps the veterans on the list have some useful clues on how to solve such a "problem"! >> >Well, > >guess you just gotta save time somewhere else, dear Morten! >Here's a few suggestions that might bring some temporary relief: > >1) Organize yourself better. Eliminate all unnecessary activities. Such >as having more than one meal per day, going outside your house, having >off-line conversations etc.etc. Plenty of time to save here! > >2) Concerning the "English-as-a-foreign-language problem", well, make it >your first language! Why bother speaking Norwegian, when there's >hundreds of million people speaking English, > >3) Quit your job and take advantage of the excellent Norwegian welfare >system. If they won't provide you with free internet access, sue before >the European Court of Human Rights. (If you need a lawyer, you know whom >to call ...) ETC.... This is so funny that I am in tears!!!!! Winfried, I didn't know this part of you!! LOL LOL LOL !!! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:12:38 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: joni moments (another poll) Hi! Great idea for another poll. I was 13, staying for a few weeks with my cousins in the awesome garden spot of California called Casmalia. It hadn't yet become the site of a toxic waste dump, but it was just a windy, dusty little burg, pop. 250, with a heavy blue-collar, heavy down-on-their-luck population. I was in love for the first time (or at least it was a close approximation of aforementioned state) with a friend of my cousin Rob's. His name was Larry Don, he was 16, and he would cruise his motorcycle around town looking for all the world like Michael Parks in Then Came Bronson. He called me "Sunshine". The song I heard was "Big Yellow Taxi". I thought it was great fun, and I could sing along with it easier than anything else I ever tried (Joni's tunes are always right there in my vocal range). I was introduced to Creedence the same summer, and my life took a turn there, as John Fogerty become one of my life mentors. So I actually didn't buy a Joni album until Blue. La Susana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:15:53 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: how to handle....NJC from winifred: (which had me rolling on the floor....) )>>Plus, compared to Scientology, we're a real bargain..snip..snip.. Loved it! As a former Moonie, I appreciate that the jmdl doesn't have us on the street corners selling flowers or eating kim-chee at all meals. I'd say we are a real deal. JMDL - A Spiritual Bargin! Great Post! MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:19:30 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Joni's Sagittarius rising Hi everyone - Of course, Joni's Sagittarius rising is dead-on. The influence it indicates is of honesty and bravery to the point of danger, and frequent foot-in-mouth problems. She's so much fun! :) *La Susana * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:30:24 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: The Chicago Concert -- Chapter 2 I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but unless you had seats farther back in the center (like mine in S106) you probably didn't. As Joni hit the opening chords of "The Magdalene Laundries", and the stage was bathed in that eerie blue/green light, a tremendous thing happened. The entrances to the sections just behind the stage were curtained off. But light from the hallway gleamed through from the center and tops. The effect was that of a field of illuminated crosses suspended in a starless sky -- a constellation of etherial headstones for the 110 poor girls of the Magdalene Laundries. This is the most powerful thing I have ever seen at any show, anytime, anywhere. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:39:14 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Kyle Eastwood reviewed....Joni mentioned Yesterday's (10/26) Chicago Tribune had a review on Kyle Eastwood's new CD. ......"Among the artists making cameos on "From Here To There" is Joni Mitchell, long a jazz fan and an occasional dabbler in the form. She lends a strong vocal to Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man," one of the more unexpected and memorable moments on the record. That came about because she and (producer) Larry Klein were married, and they still work togeter," Eastwood says of Mitchell's guest spot. "She expressed interest in doing it, and that's not something you pass up." Despite his obvious admiration for Mitchell, Eastwood, who also welcomed the help of vocalists Diana King and drummer Peter Ersine, isn't likely to be intimidated by his talented collaborators. His father is not only a Hollywood Superstar but also a serious jazz fan, and because of that, Eatwood as achild was introduced to the likes of Sarah Vaughan, Miles Davis and Dizzy Gillespie........... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:43:56 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Chicago and JMDL Hi all, Just got back in town and had to sort through 400 emails. I want to tell you all how wonderful it has been for me to join this list. Not only did I get to see the smooth and sleek Ms. M. live, for the FIRST time, after being a fan for 30 years, but I also have had the best time with my fellow JMDLers. I won't bore you all with my inept review of the concert since Marsha, Fred, Howard, Brad and others did such a great job of it. But I will give some small impressions. It went by sooooo fast. Seemed only 5 min. Of course, the first 3 songs and maybe more were a blur as the tears were flowing. I have not seen other of her concerts to compare her performance to, but I did have the West Coast tape tree that I played on the way home to Arkansas. Her voice in Chicago was so smooth and flowing. The West Coast voice is short and brisk. She seemed so comfortable up there. And the Chicago fans seem to be enthralled! I want to thank the Kingpin for his expertise finding us such great seats. To Fred for his fantastic piano concert. (Need to get some of his CD's). To Doug for sharing his Chicago knowledge. And to Laura and sweet hubby Mark, Jody and Scott, Brad and Kim, It was great meeting you all. And of course to Marsha, my roomie, you are the BEST!!! We had such a great time. It is so weird that you can meet someone for the first time and find out you click like macaroni and cheese! I'm sorry we didn't get to meet anyone else off the list that was there. Howard, Don and others. We *were* able to get a photo after the concert before security ushered us all out. This last weekend will be one of the few beautiful memories that will flash before my eyes at the time of my death. One of the top 5 memories of my life! Diana, PS. Congrats Julie, I've put all the unread mail in a box and will read about your letter soon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:43:43 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: Joni's Art TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > >Just because the woman is a genius with music and lyrics doesn't automatically mean she should be a master painter. And Debra wrote: > >True, but Joni's the one presenting herself as a painter first, and a painter who now seeks respect for her work, not just someone happily painting any old thing. Ah, but Are we correct in assuming she seeks or even wants respect for her painting? She says herself in the Night Ride Home promo video{paraphrase}: " I paint what I want. If I see my husband reading the paper with the cat sitting around his neck and I say 'that would make a great painting' I can paint my husband sitting with the cat around his neck. If I was in the *art world* do you think I could get away with this? The art world has just as many, if not more games to play as the music business." Painting is the expressive field she *chose* first. It doesn't have to be the one she's most proficient(sp?) in from conventional standards. Some(not me mind you) might argue that her music isn't as good as her lyrics and she should have just stayed a poet. She said she only started doing music in the first place to earn a living while she was in art school. Luckily for us, she had a knack for it at a time when tallent was still more important to record companies than being photogenic. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:21:39 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni, Tonight From: "Jim L'Hommedieu]" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:23:18 -0500 In Indianapolis tonight, Joni was on top of her game and on top of the crowd. She did *both* Big Yellow Taxi and Free Man In Paris early in the show, and something from HOSL. She was getting heckled by a couple of guys in the front row and she lashed out at them, using some shocking language in the process. She looked upset and consulted with Larry briefly. Rebounding with a hurried Sex Kills, then on to an outstanding performance on Magdalene Laundries. I've never heard it better. She did a show-stopping version of Trouble Man- the audience gave her a standing ovation for it! Next, we got Comes Love. You ticket holders in the later cities have quite a show to look forward to. My brother in law said that the show was "Excellent", and "great drummer". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:18:36 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: New Thread, Maybe Hey all, I got my wife set up on a Tori list this weekend. Last night she told me they had aidea pool going to try and come up with a "Tori" flavour to promote to Ben & Jerry's. Would this be too cheesey an idea for us? I don't know, what do you think? "Blue" sorbet is too easy, but if we get too fan-oriented obscure they'd never go for it. John~ NP "FSOL Deseo Reconstruction" Future Sound Of London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:32:26 -0500 From: "Donald Fluke" Subject: Astro Sign Let the Virgo's rule! from this Virgo in Ft. Lauderdale don fluke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:27:10 EST From: DanVall@aol.com Subject: Tribute Album What has become of the Joni tribute album I heard about earlier this year? Thank you, Dante LeVally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:32:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe Vanilla with acid drops! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:34:46 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Joni, Tonight - ---------- > From: Bounced Message > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni, Tonight > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 12:21 PM > > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu]" > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:23:18 -0500 > > She was getting heckled by a couple of guys in the front row and she > lashed out at them, using some shocking language in the process. She > looked upset and consulted with Larry briefly. > You ticket holders in the later cities have quite a show to look forward > to. That really pisses me off! It makes me want to hit my husband! (He's a Dylan fan). I hope the Toronto crowd is geared more for Joni & more civilized. I can't wait til thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:45:01 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe - -----Original Message----- From: John M. Lind To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:25 PM Subject: New Thread, Maybe > >Last night she told me >they had aidea pool going to try and come up with a "Tori" flavour to >promote to Ben & Jerry's. Would this be too cheesey an idea for us? I don't >know, what do you think? 1. Tutti Fruiti TTT 2. Chunky Monkey Sunny Sunday 3. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Blueberry with hot cinnamon Shnapps (yousa!) 4. Refuge of the Rocky Road 5. Hejira Hagendaaz 6. Sweet Sucker Lollipop Sorbet stop me now, Marshamallow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:41:53 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Will Joni be on PPV in Seattle on Nov. 6? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:36:17 -0800 From: Michael Goerz I am no longer on the jonilist, but still have this address. Could someone email me back if they know the answer to this question. I have TCI Digital Cable, and their website says they carry VC1 (Viewer's Choice Channel 1), but I cannot find it on my set or in my prevue catalog. Furthermore, we have 8 ppv channels, but it doesn't say whether or not they are viewer's choice. Ok-you get my drift-thanks. - -confused. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:44:56 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Kyle Eastwood reviewed....Joni mentioned Regarding the comment about Clint Eastwood being not only a Hollywood superstar, but also a jazz fan... Actually, Clint had originally planned to pursue a career as a jazz pianist, and plays quite well. It was by sheer accident that he fell into the acting career, and it proved to be quite successful. Re: his musical capabilities...one of my favorite instrumental numbers is his composition "Doe Eyes", which is the theme music to "Bridges Of Madison County". -Susan C. (who has this thing for Gemini men!)- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:47:10 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe Okay I am going to be a spoil sport BUT HAAGEN DAZS is a whole other brand! (And I should know considering how dangerous it is!) Marsha wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Lind > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:25 PM > Subject: New Thread, Maybe > > > >Last night she told me > >they had aidea pool going to try and come up with a "Tori" flavour to > >promote to Ben & Jerry's. Would this be too cheesey an idea for us? I don't > >know, what do you think? > > 1. Tutti Fruiti TTT > 2. Chunky Monkey Sunny Sunday > 3. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire > Blueberry with hot cinnamon Shnapps (yousa!) > 4. Refuge of the Rocky Road > 5. Hejira Hagendaaz > 6. Sweet Sucker Lollipop Sorbet > > stop me now, > Marshamallow - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:53:32 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe - -----Original Message----- From: catman To: Marsha Cc: John M. Lind ; joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:47 PM Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe >Okay I am going to be a spoil sport BUT HAAGEN DAZS is a whole other brand! (And >I should know considering how dangerous it is!) That's why I created the other spelling for a fictitious sound-alike... ;-) Mistress of Parody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:49:18 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe At 06:32 PM 10/27/98 +0000, Colin wrote: >Vanilla with acid drops! LOL! Shouldn't that be chocolate(brown) with acid drops, called "Woodstock"? If they were going to add that little 'secret' ingredient it would have probably gone in the "Cherry Garcia" or "Wavy Gravy" or "Phish Food" OK, seriously how about this: "Chelsea Morning" - TOASTed almonds and HONEY coated ORANGE bits in BUTTERSCOTCH ice cream. John~ NP "Fly Like An Eagle" Neville Bros. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:53:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe You are very brave Marsha considering how sue happy everyone is over the water! Actually, isn't it about time you treated us to another parody? colin Marsha wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: catman > To: Marsha > Cc: John M. Lind ; joni@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe > > >Okay I am going to be a spoil sport BUT HAAGEN DAZS is a whole other brand! > (And > >I should know considering how dangerous it is!) > > That's why I created the other spelling for a fictitious sound-alike... ;-) > > Mistress of Parody - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:56:39 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe Okay, I'll bite, but briefly: How Do You Stop (for a quadruple chocolate fudge, chip, chunk flavor) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:54:52 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: New Thread, Maybe Wait wait, Make that vanilla(CREAM) with a BUTTERSCOTCH swirl. Just butterscotch would be too much. >OK, seriously how about this: >"Chelsea Morning" - TOASTed almonds and HONEY coated ORANGE bits in BUTTERSCOTCH ice cream. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:02:23 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: The Dylan Louts -- Since When? Okay, I'm just emerging from underneath my 433-message mountain ... with a question. It seems that Joni's been heckled at every show so far, to some degree or another, by some jerk impatient for his Dylan fix. So what happened? Since when did louts and clowns start listening to Dylan? Am I just being a pollyanna, or didn't Bob used to be the poet's rock and roll star? Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:22:40 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Pat Metheny advice (NJC) Hi all! I wonder if someone could give me some advice as to which Pat Metheny album I should buy first. I know none of his work apart from the stuff he's done with Joni which I love. The record store had so many to choose from, I didn't know where to start. I would especially like to hear acoustic guitar. All help welcome Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:22:32 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Trouble Man Philip wrote:- " Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:53:20 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Joni heard on BBC Radio 1 - shock It's official. Joni Mitchell is cool and hip again. Giles Peterson played Trouble Man on his show last week." Philip, You're having us on! Where did Giles Peterson get a recording of Joni singing Trouble Man from? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:31:24 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Kyle Eastwood reviewed....Joni mentioned From the review sent by Laura ... >Joni Mitchell, long a jazz fan and an occasional dabbler in >the form. She lends a strong vocal to Marvin Gaye's "Trouble >Man," one of the more unexpected and memorable moments >on the record. > Joni Mitchell an "occasional dabbler"? Do they mean 'Mingus'? For me, to say that Joni "dabbles occasionally" in jazz is like saying she "fools around with paints", "tosses off the occasional poem", or "kind of likes cats." Curiouser and curiouser ... Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 20:03:05 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: TTT - AD in Time Magazine - 11/2 There's been some discussion that Reprise is not doing enough to promote TTT, and that is probably true. But they are doing *something* Just wanted to mention that I picked up the Nov. 2 issue of Time Magazine (actually I visited their office on 6th Ave. today and was given a free copy by the person I visited) and, low and behold, there is a nice, half page ad, well-positioned towards the front of the magazine (page 24). It reads: [TTT cover painting] Joni Mitchell Taming The Tiger The follow-up to her double Grammy Award-winning release, TURBULENT INDIGO It's on a green backdrop. On the bottom left is a small Reprise logo and, bottom right, a slightly larger Borders logo. -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:19:29 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Re: Sehnsucht (SJC)/Hejira Winfried Thanks for your thoughtful post - on reflection any one-word sum-up of a Joni Mitchell album, or any serious work of art for that matter, is too extreme. I just wanted to know if I had the right flavour of the word. Funnily enough, my heart (momentarily) sank when I saw the title of your second post "Oops, wrong word". I became convinced that I'd picked up the wrong meaning until I read through both posts rather than the titles. Regards, and thanks again David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:25:48 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, Tonight Lamadoo wrote: >She was getting heckled by a couple of guys in the front row and she >lashed out at them, using some shocking language in the process. She >looked upset and consulted with Larry briefly. C'mon Jim, don't hold out on us - give us the transcript! I remember a Cat Stevens concert I attended in Tucson in around '73. Everyone was getting into a nice trance with the music when suddenly, out of nowhere, Cat raised up out of his chair and practically spat at someone in the first row to "go f* yourself!" and "F* You!" He accentuated this with thrusting his middle finger repeatedly in the direction of the offensive one, and then stomped his foot loudly a few times for good measure. Being poor college students we were way up in nosebleed seats and had no idea what prompted this, but it was a quite a juxtaposition coming in the middle of the song "Moonshadow." Kakki NP: Baby Be Good - Smithereens ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:41:11 EST From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Joni explodes with anger in Indy--(long) w/set list I was sitting in the 15th row last night at the Indianapolis show blissed out by the "Amelia" and "Hejira" pair, beautifully rendered. I noticed how the Indy crowd was the most respectful and quiet of the 5 shows I've seen this year. It was a near-perfect setting with silence all around except for this astounding band. However, earlier I noticed a guy walking across the front row, holding his drink up, and heading toward his seat, about 2nd row center. He was smiling and talking to a friend and ignoring a performing Joni onstage 10 feet to his right as he approached his seat. It was very conspicuous and I thought, "I hope Joni isn't distracted by that". The night before in Chicago, Marsha, Diana and I had discussed briefly how easily Joni gets distracted by one thing in the audience. Much later, after "Facelift", Joni points a finger and starts berating these guys. I was stunned. I didn't transcribe everything but here's what I wrote down later--this is only fragmentary, there's lots more, but I assure you, it's NOT out of context. She was totally pissed off. "You assholes....yes, you.......you're ruining my performance........you're ruining it for everybody(raises her arms up and wide in an encompassing gesture).......you rude little fucks......you're getting drunk and if you're waiting on Bob then why don't you leave........." The crowd cheered their support strongly, as did I. When she finished her monologue, the band kicked into the most vitriolic, energetic "Sex Kills" one can imagine. The band picked up her negative vibe and like master artists do, transformed that energy of the moment into fine art of the moment. I'm guessing I saw the most punk-like Joni performance ever. Brian Blade was flailing and Joni was snarling. It was fantastic. I'm anxious to see if audio or video will objectively confirm my impression later. After "Sex Kills", she wasn't finished. Still upset, Joni mentioned something about temperamental artists and then, explaining more to the audience about what these 2 guys were doing, said, "they're mimicking the way I move.........it's inhibiting.........we're human up here......it's not a movie." She was still livid. Then, a few notes into "Magdalene Laundries", Joni hit an awful bum chord due to her obvious shakiness and then strummed the opening chord of the verse for about 10 - 20 seconds. Her mind was elsewhere but not on the lyrics to the song. I honestly thought she was going to walk off stage. She turned around to Klein and asked "what's the first line?" or "gimme the first line". She then completed the song. Her composure regained a bit for the concluding two songs sans guitar, "Trouble Man" and "Comes Love". They were fine performances. During "Trouble Man" there's some line about "ain't gonna bother me" which she delivered with venom and direct eye-contact to the culprits. Not surprisingly, there was no encore. When the band gathered for the final applause, Klein put his arm around Joni and kissed her on the temple. The set list: Big Yellow Taxi Just Like this Train Night Ride Home Crazy Cries of Love Free Man in Paris Harry's House Black Crow Amelia Hejira Facelift Joni Tongue-Lashing #1 Sex Kills Joni Tongue-Lashing #2 Magdalene Laundries Trouble Man Comes Love (No encore) Kingpin (with charm to sway) NP: Bob Dylan, "Time Out of Mind" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #443 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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