From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #442 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 442 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Sehnsucht (SJC) ["Juerg Loeffler" ] Re: Joni in chicago, again (njc, actually) ["Bill Huang" ] RE: New Poll to Lighten the Load [trxschwa ] Finally (NJC) [Michael Paz ] halloween dilemma (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] BDTS ["Deb Messling" ] Promotions [Michael Paz ] Re: BDTS [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni Reviews [Michael Paz ] Re: Promotions ["Kakki" ] #7 at Borders [JAWebster2@aol.com] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply [Dave Short ] Re: NY Times letters [BarBearUh ] Re: joni moments (another poll) ["Eric Taylor" ] Tickets for Sale/Needed [Les Irvin ] RE: Adoption (SJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: NY Times letters ["Kakki" ] Dreams, Amelia...RIP [some millers ] Re: Joni's art [DSK11 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:09:35 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: Sehnsucht (SJC) >A few German-language comments and posts on the list have made me think >of the lovely word "Sehnsucht" (dictionary def: longing,yearning) which I >encountered through Edgar Reis's "Zweite Heimat" film cycle. This could be >a one-word summing up of the feel of Hejira (as if this were possible...) >if I'vegot the meaning right. I think you got it right. "Sehnsucht" is a heartfelt, painful longing to someone or something. The pain aspect comes from the second part of the word. "Sucht" stands for a pathological obsession. So maybe it's a little "heavy" for the feel of Hejira. The word also has a bombastic tendency, a little worn out. The poets of the 18th century have used it often: "Nur wer die Sehnsucht kennt, weiss, was ich leide (Goethe, Mignon). - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:53:21 +0800 From: "Bill Huang" Subject: Re: Joni in chicago, again (njc, actually) - ---------- > From: IVPAUL42@aol.com > To: howard@mpimedia.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni in chicago, again > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 6:10 AM > > In a message dated 10/26/98 2:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, > howard@mpimedia.com writes: > > << One thing that pissed me off about the concert--and no, it wasn't Joni > or anything she did--it was Johnny Mars, DJ for WXRT, who came out > before Joni and talked about her and Dylan being so influential and all > that great blah blah blah--and his station *doesn't play Joni*. I > screamed that out to him but I don't think he heard me. >> > > XRT used to play lots of Joni back when I, a native Chicagoan, was one of > their earliest listeners. But then XRT has changed an awful lot since then, > and not for the better, from what I read and hear about it. much as this is going to be compared to belling the cat, paul 1, even now, wouldn't you still be one of their earliest listeners? lurker bill (a cancerian, july 5, with a leo ascendant and a moon in capricorn, and a compulsive editor in my own right) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:34:25 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: MN and IL tapes? I'm sure they will be on an upcoming tape tree (SOON!) I'm dying to hear DJRD live! At 7:46 PM -0500 10/26/98, Eric G. Postel wrote: >Thanks for the reviews everyone. Of course, you have got the rest of us >wishing we had heard either date. If anyone taped the concerts, could you >please get Email me? Thanks, Eric ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:37:51 -0500 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: New Poll to Lighten the Load dusty, digging this up - notes from feeble research many years ago. patrick leader 6/16/58. 9:30 am sun gemini moon gemini ruled merc gemini ruled venus taurus ruled mars aries retrograde jupiter libra retrograde saturn sagittarius uranus leo retrograde neptune scorpio pluto virgo ascendant - cancer or leo i've no memory of why i noted 'ruled' or 'retrograde'. i do know why i've rethunk my ascendant (rising) sign. my original search was based on 9:30 am, but i was born at 6:30 am, so close to sunrise in calif in 1958, that i'm certainly a cusp baby. (if you are born between sunrise and two hours later, your rising sign is your sunsign.) i don't really know what being near-quadruple gemini means, except that 'i'm schizophrenic, and so am i.' is my favorite one-liner in years... oh btw, so am i... patrick np - silence ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:16:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Finally (NJC) Hi Julie- Finally an author worth publishing in the NYTimes. It was my good fortune not to read the article, but your rebuttal was fab. I keep making the point about these journalists that just have to print their same old negative shit. I do like a good fight now and then tho. You go girl Love, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:17:35 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: halloween dilemma (NJC) Thanks for all the input on my rather sicko problem. The consensus is shaping up to be: avoid JonBenet, Mother T. is fine. However, this morning I had a Eureka! flash when one of my surge protectors smelled funny, and I thought we could go as Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. (It's a political crowd, so people would get it). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:19:30 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: BDTS All these concert reports have me salivating! J-Day is November 1st for us New Yorkers. Is it odd not to have heard from Bob Dylan Ticket Sales at this late date? I would have expected tickets or my money back by now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:22:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Promotions Kakki wrote: "He was still hyperventilating as I left the store. It was great." Kakki-Still undisputed Queen of Promotion. I still haven't gotten my check from Reprise. How about you? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:43:01 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: BDTS In a message dated 10/26/98 10:21:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Is it odd not to have heard from Bob Dylan Ticket Sales at this late date? I would have expected tickets or my money back by now. >> We got word last week from them. Worse, our tickets are not what they'd promised at all- they are waaaay in the back. Luckily, we have a back up plan. I hope you have better luck. Terry Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:45:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Reviews Thanx to everyone for the reviews and set lists from the shows. I have seen no mention of who is in the band besides Larry and Brian. Can anyone confirm the other players?? I am still searching for cheap fares to Hotlanta, and I am open to persuasion by someone richer than I to whisk me off into the night to see the hottest show in town. Still hopefull, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:03:08 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Promotions Michael wrote: >Kakki-Still undisputed Queen of Promotion. I still haven't gotten my >check from Reprise. How about you? No, have to confess that I lied about being a Reprise shill. I actually do it as a labor of love. Love takes so much courage and love takes so much shit - as you will see when you catch up on the digests ;-) Love Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 23:45:54 EST From: JAWebster2@aol.com Subject: #7 at Borders I have been away from my home computer all week and unable to keep up with the list, but thought I'd drop in and let you know that TTT was #7 on Borders' chain-wide top sellers list. Yeah! Day after tomorrow is the Detroit show, and still don't have definitive word about whether Joni is doing any meet and greets. I don't know how excited to get! It turns out I'm going to be in NY on business on Saturday - does anyone know what my chances will be of picking up a ticket to the MSG show at the last minute? best, jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:57:58 -0600 From: Dave Short Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply >I am an exception to your theory......an Aries 3/23 Make that two. (Yes, exactly...) Dave - ------------------------------------------------------------ there's a helluva universe next door. let's go. ~ e.e. cummings ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:10:45 -0500 (EST) From: some millers Subject: JC not dead (NJC) >Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:49:19 -0500 >From: "John T. Folden" >Subject: RE: Halloween help (absolutely NJC) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Deb Messling > >> I'm invited to a party where I must come as a famous dead person. >Depending on how hip and modern the party is, you could always try Jesus. Sorry John, but there was only a three day window of opportunity wherein that costume would have qualified for admittance to such a party. Sorry list, but I couldn't let that slide into the archives without comment. Paul S. Bethlehem, NY np - nada... just another silent, starry, night. Amen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:21:05 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: NY Times letters first let me say that my post on this subject was meant in no way to chastise kakki. i disagreed that the letters were stupid, but that's it. in fact, i was thinking this morning how sweet kakki is in her steadfast love for joni, and chuckling to myself how she often is the optimist and i the cynic whenever critical subjects come up. the jmdl would be a mighty boring thing without a bit of each, and i value her contributions to it. julie: > that the new mother/grandmother situation in Joni's life doesn't play a big > part in her profession---it doesn't necessarily define her work. So why > does the NYTM showcase **two letters** to the editor advocating for > appropriate adoption-verbage---even if the two letters reflect a large > percentage of letters rcvd? i always thought that letters to the editor should reflect what the readership thought about the article. i would hope that they are chosen in fairness to reflect those opinions, not to protect the intent of the author or his/her subject. and ultimately it was joni who let the subject play a part in the article. kakki: > What did Joni say in the article that bothers people? Was it Joni, or that > the author mentioned her daughter and grandson and Joni responded to him > about them without giving more credit to the adoptive parents? before i say anything, i'll qualify this. i came to this article with a history - i had read a dozen or two articles on the subject, plus the recent press where there's a paragraph or a few lines here & there about it. i come to the article already disturbed by the whole thing. disturbed by joni, by kilauren, by her parents, by the press, by what is and isn't done and said. i already see things that are going on with them before i get here, so i don't know how tainted i am by that. in the NYT, here are the things that bother me (that joni is quoted as saying): 'the coming of the kids hasn't come out in my art yet.' '[herbie & wayne] are convinced they can hear my family in my tone.' 'i'm involved with family...' she is calling them HER family. i get that - i don't resent the feelings going on; i hope for the same in my future. but there is a casualness to the language that seems first of all, somewhat uncommon for those so recently reunited, and secondly, disrespectful to kilauren's real family. we all know joni likes to talk, and the biggest problem here is just that. what bothers me even more is this quote: as for the adoptive parents, mitchell says: "we worked through all of that. i'm totally grateful to them, and kilauren hasn't forgotten about them." i don't know if it's joni or the author or both that bug me here. joni certainly bugs me, but i don't know what the author is leaving out - there's a bit of context missing. it's a bit glib to even think that they've begun to 'work through all of that' - whatever "that" is. and to say, "kilauren hasn't forgotten about them" makes me wonder if she appears as if she has. i mean, why else would she even suggest that she might forget about them? me: > >i didn't think any of the letters were stupid. the one about the reality of > >business, well you already know where i stand there - i don't like it but i > >think that's the way it is. no one's singling joni out to punish her or > >anything. kakki: > I did read them as singling Joni out because she is > the focus of their comments, not the writer of the article. i was a little vague here. i didn't mean the letters were singling her out, i meant the business folks. like howie klein says (in the article), "sometimes i get the feeling that she thinks i'm keeping [her music] off black radio." that's more where i was going - that howie isn't hanging out thinking of ways to unpromote joni. > Who made the casual assumption in the article? The writer or Joni? Who > should be criticized for that casual assumption? i think both, and i could be terribly wrong about this, but i think that by hanging out with joni, seeing how much they are acting like a family, the author was true to the context of his experience. to me, just the fact that they are hanging out so much is a bit odd. they did spend one of the major holidays together, they've visited many times, and they even went to live with joni in canada. this is not out of the question, but it is not really common in reunions. i mean, if i found my birth mother and decided to have thanksgiving with her instead of my parents - i tell ya, it wouldn't go over too big. it might be what i wanted, but it would be selfish and hurtful. kilauren has spent weeks at a time at joni's house. i'm not making a judgment to say this is wrong. i have no idea what's really going on there, and we really know nothing about how k.'s parents fit into all of this. but the money and the fame do have an affect, if none other than to afford all that time together. > What should Joni do in the > future to show more sensitivity toward the issue? don't say a word about it in the press. it's a private matter and it should be kept that way. if it didn't involve other people, i'd say fine, say what you like. it would be very refreshing to hear, "i'm so happy marlin & kilauren have come into my life, but i don't wish to discuss our relationship in the press." michael: > 3) That said, I've seen nothing to indicate that Joni has been anything > less than grateful to the Gibbs for being Kilauren's parents, and agree > that the NY Times letters to the contrary (AS EDITED, remember these > things get cut) don't seem to be based on anything Joni has ever said > or done with regard to the reunification. i personally think talking to the press about this is something joni has done that comes off as being less than grateful to the Gibbs. she is putting them in the position of having their story told, regardless of whether they are ok with that. i don't like the fact that they waited to tell kilauren she was adopted so late in her life, but is that any of my damn business? i'd hate to be put in their position. it's such a difficult situation in any configuration, but add the fame & glory, and the magnifying glass of the media exposure - what a nightmare. i don't even like the fact that i know enough about it to be disturbed by it! i just went to the jmdl site to check out the article someone referred to today, inferring that everything's going all right with all of them, quoting how kilauren has assured her parents that she still loves them, etc. (sorry, don't remember who referred to it or what exactly was quoted & how). i read this article, and come away with a feeling quite the opposite, which is what i was getting at in my first post on this. if you have a direct experience with adoption, you will have a different reaction to anything written about the subject. i could have told y'all last year that there were gonna be some big problems, and i think kilauren going to the hospital for stress is a good indication that there are some. if it were me, i would not want any of this stuff in the press. >> There was a two-month rupture in relations with her adoptive parents, retired schoolteachers Ida and David Gibb. Her once-close ties to brother David, a Toronto advertising executive, remain strained. A relationship with boyfriend Ted Barrington foundered, in part because of Gibb's frequent trips to L.A." >> In short, says Gibb, "it's been a very tough year." And although she speaks to "Joni --I'm not ready to call her mom yet" -- three or four times a week...." this just might be the worst thing i've read yet! not ready to call her mom yet?????? >>The past year has been a whirlwind. In the media madness that followed the news, Gibb felt a little muzzled. "We went on [the Vikki] Gabereau show and no questions were directed toward me. I really wasn't allowed to say anything. Joni had no makeup on, so she wore sunglasses, so then we all had to wear sunglasses." i actually posted about this way back. a lot of listers talked about how touched they were when they saw this show, but i didn't have the same reaction. i thought the whole idea was exploitative and i felt bad for kilauren's parents. so there's my take on it. i hope you don't think i'm being overly judgmental here. i really don't think any of us can speculate about what's right for anyone in this situation (especially since we are only given a tiny glimpse of it). i certainly understand the emotional why's behind all of this stuff. although i haven't had a reunion, i do hope for one and mull over all the possibilities, which is why i'm so damned reactive about this. barbara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:42:47 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: joni moments (another poll) MHart16164@aol.com wrote: >So, where and when were YOU when you first heard joni???? >And what was the song. I was at a friend's house in tenth grade and he said, "You will love this!" and played Blue. The Moody Blues was my favorite band at the time but Joni has been my #1 ever since. E.T. NP: Gershwin's World (what a fine fine record!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:50:43 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Tickets for Sale/Needed From the Dylan list: From: rfd24@AOL.COM Anyone interested in buying a single seat Section #93/Row M for 11/1 Dylan/Mitchell show at NYC's MSG? Willing to sell at face value + Ticketmaster service charge. Am located in Northern NJ, but could meet in NYC. From: "Marc A. Berman" I could use 2 tickets [for 11/1] ...please let me know if they are still available...Thanks From: selbst@ALUM.MIT.EDU We have some $100 tickets in Section 305J and 339B. [11/1] Private e-mail response only please. From: DavisTB Anyone have an extra single ticket for the 11/1 Dylan show? Please help. - --Billy From: lionhart@TRAVEL1.TRAVEL-NET.COM For Sale, One pair of tickets to Oct 30 1998 concert at the Corel Centre (Ottawa ON) at cost (approx. $58 Canadian each). And finally, a testimonial from an unnamed Dylan fan: "I have never seen Joni Mitchell before, nor have I ever owned any of her albums. I was quite impressed with her performance tonight, especially after she put down the electric guitar. As she is now anyway, she strikes me as in the tradition of female singers going back to the forties. She makes a good torch singer or jazz singer. Her voice is still in very good shape, maybe better shape (how would I know?). She made affectionate fun of Dylan's voice in the first song, I think (Yellow Parking Lot, or Taxi, or whatever it is called)." Later... Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:53:11 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Adoption (SJC) Barbara wrote: <<>> I started reading Barbara's post, left to do some stuff, thinking about the reunion all the while, reached exactly this conclusion, then returned to the computer to find it written. I don't think Joni's talkativeness about the adoption really implies that she's less than *grateful* to the Gibbs, but it certainly does seem to be less than considerate. The extent to which she's done it (especially appearing on the talk show) makes me wonder if it's even occurred to her. Perhaps in her extreme happiness it's been difficult for her to take a step back and say, "Hold on, there are other people at stake here." My views on this are colored not only by my experience, but by my sister's. My sister is also adopted, but she and her birth mother met last year. My sister is currently living with her birth mother over a thousand miles from my father (my mom passed away many years ago), but ironically very near my once and future college home. I have no idea how this has affected my father, and my sister is certainly old enough to live where she wants, and the reunion seems to be going well enough, but there have been times when I have wondered just how much thought was going into my sister's decisions. She's obviously very happy, so I'm glad that it has happened, but there are a boatload of people who have had to negotiate uncharted relationships with each other as a result of this. I don't want to get too deeply into this because, frankly, it's none of y'all's business, which is I guess the point Barbara has been trying to make and with which I agree. Suffice it to say that you can't even imagine the huge amounts of individual details and circumstances that go into adoptive relationships. Just as an example, consider that a major reason I'm not seeking a reunion is the treacherous possibilities associated with the fact that I'm gay, and the relations between my two families that could result from that not insignificant piece of information. Obviously that detail is not applicable to Kilauren, but I'm sure many, many others are, and to have to sort through those details in the eye of what seems to me the most public adoption reunion ever cannot be easy. So I've changed my mind--Joni would be most prudent to be quiet about it, and we'd be most prudent to shut-up about it, and that makes me a hypocrite, which is about where we started. :-) But in that context, some of the letters to the NYTimes now make more sense to me. - --Michael NP: Aden, _Aden_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:04:44 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NY Times letters Barbara wrote: >i was thinking this morning how sweet kakki is in her steadfast love for >joni, and chuckling to myself how she often is the optimist and i the >cynic whenever critical subjects come up. I also chuckle about this. Maybe for fun the optimists and cynics should try a role reversal week on the JMDL sometime just like any good debating team ;-) I've already made my points regarding the reactions/letters in response to the articles and do not feel the need to belabor them. Your post is very thoughtful, makes many excellent points and raised issues that I agree with and have also often discussed offlist with other jmdlers. I wrote: >> What should Joni do in the >> future to show more sensitivity toward the issue? Barbara wrote: >don't say a word about it in the press. it's a private matter and it should >be kept that way. if it didn't involve other people, i'd say fine, say what >you like. it would be very refreshing to hear, "i'm so happy marlin & >kilauren have come into my life, but i don't wish to discuss our >relationship in the press." I agree 100%. This would have been the most appropriate and smartest stance for Joni from the beginning. All I can think is that the whole situation was perhaps so overwhelming emotionally that prescient wisdom took a back seat. >if it were me, i would not want any of this stuff in the press. Me, neither. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:14:23 -0500 (EST) From: some millers Subject: Dreams, Amelia...RIP Howdy- Once again, a sigh of relief as I temporarily reach currency with the digests. This time, I only took a day or so "off", and am amazed by the volume of material generated herein. (To Morten in Norway: know that you aren't the only one wondering how best to handle this forum -- I can't imagine how you do it with the language barrier as well!) Fortunately, I continue to find the effort worthwhile. With tickets on the icebox door for the Syracuse (All Souls/El dia de los muertos) show, it is an absolute thrill to follow the advance reports posted by all you scouts in the heartland. Like Dorothy in St. Paul, I too had trouble reconstructing the set list when I first was in the presence of JM in Bethel (see my inaugural post to this community, made via Wally's wonderful website (WWW) page devoted to "A Day in the Garden", which was also fired-off soon after the show). Reading the current playlists, I am tingling. When I reached the review excerpted below, I could not believe my eyes. Total, undeniable, synchronicity. Some may recall a message I posted Saturday morning regarding the "sign" poll & Amelia. That prior message was tagged "SJC" because it largely related to our daughter, juxtaposed with another Amelia's post that touched me. That message is shown below as well. Though that post was heavy in the context of a poll intended to lighten, I was holding back some essential facts. Our Amelia's heart stopped beating in the womb just one month ago, after 28 weeks of pregnancy. On Sunday, while some united in Chicago, we dug Amelia's grave. May God continue to smile upon you Joan, and keep you healthy in the hectic days ahead. Love, Paul S. Bethlehem, NY npimh - Here's to you... PS- Six days before "A Day in the Garden," I witnessed the reunion of my sister with the long lost daughter she gave up for adoption back in '66, and her two new grandchildren. Synchronicity abounds. >Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:04:05 EST >From: FredNow@aol.com >Subject: Chicago Tribune review > >Rock review, Joni Mitchell at United Center > >By Greg Kot > >Tribune Rock Critic > >Joni Mitchell had a remarkable night Sunday at the United Center. >``Dreams, Amelia, dreams and false alarms,'' Mitchell sang, in what could have >been a summation of a performance in which introspection gave way to a sense >of anxiety and finally freedom. >Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:52:11 -0400 (EDT) >From: some millers >Subject: re: astro. sign/Amelia (SJC) > >Howdy- >Wasn't going to partake of this poll, as I'm not into astrology. However, >the coincidence below has moved me. I am also a Leo, born 8/18. Our first, >and only, child was a beautiful little girl named Amelia Grace. Tragically, >her death preceded her birth. "Dreams Amelia, dreams, and false alarms..." >Paul >S.Bethlehem, NY > >>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:31:39 -0400 >>From: "amy" >>Subject: NJC...astro. sign >> >>Hi Everyone, >> >> I am a Leo, born 8/18, and given up for adoption that same day. My >>parents got me a few days later and named me Amelia...were the stars looking >>out for me or what? >> >>amy > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:59:17 -0400 From: DSK11 Subject: Re: Joni's art TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Just because the woman is a genius with music and lyrics > doesn't automatically mean she should be a master painter. True, but Joni's the one presenting herself as a painter first, and a painter who now seeks respect for her work, not just someone happily painting any old thing. Does a gifted > potter make phenomenal etchings? Do talented dancers create impressive poetry? > Did Picasso know how to jig? Kidding... Picasso, the party animal, surely jigged, but whether he was a jigmaster or even aimed for jigmasterhood. . . I can see him dancing wildly now . . . hahaha According to an art school story, Picasso really wanted to be a poet. He gave his poetry to a famous poet of the time (don't remember who) to read. This poet advised Picasso to, you guessed it, keep his day job. Do we ever appreciate our natural talents? Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #442 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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