From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #436 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, October 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 436 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Atlanta@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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[Marsha ] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) - So far! [Sue ] Re: Julie's letter to the NYTimes ["Julie Z. Webb" ] NJC - The Catman / the JMDL in general / Astro sign [Jason Maloney ] Re: Julie's letter to the NYTimes [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Zodiac Poll (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: Joni in Minneapolis [Mark Domyancich ] (NJC) Taurus trouble [Ashara@aol.com] Re: NJC - The Catman / the JMDL in general / Astro sign [catman ] Re: (NJC) Taurus trouble [Mark or Travis ] Re: Newbie (NJC) ["Juerg Loeffler" ] Random Musings JC [Bounced Message ] RE: RS album guide (SJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: Slide down the Billboard Charts [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: Rubin Carter NJC [Bounced Message ] Re: New Poll (Joni Content!!) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: joni's sad song [catman ] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) [ginny ] Re: "OH MY GOD!" ["Kakki" ] Re: "OH MY GOD!" [Mark Domyancich ] Zodiac Chart (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni in Minneapolis [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Inyourendo (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Joni/Dylan Toronto Concert [Anne Madden ] Re: Inyourendo (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Inyourendo (NJC) [catman ] RE: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) [Brian Gross ] New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) [Alan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:07:57 -0600 From: Evian Subject: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) Aries here, March 25th Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:49:41 +0100 From: "morten feiring" Subject: Amelia Someone wrote a few days back that Amelia was his/hers favourite song, I,m sorry but I can't seem to find out who wrote that, but anyway, it inspired me to a "follow-up": There was a film about Amelia Erhardt on TV here one night, I think it was Diane Keaton in the role as Amelia. I really had a good feeling inside watching that film, and Joni's music was somehow in my head alongside, as a second soundtrack, and that magic song, and these lines that, to me, in a magical mysterious way, stands out as one of the truly great magic moments in Joni's work: "I pulled into the Cactus Tree Motel to shower off the dust And I slept on the strange pillows of my wanderlust" Morten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:01:17 +0200 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: Newbie (NJC) Hi Lori, >I visited Switzerland in 1984 (Montreux; is that spelling correct?) Montreux is correct. Have you been to the jazz festival there? This year they had Herbie Hancock and Dylan. But no Joni. Maybe next year... :-) >In what city do you live? In Riehen, a suburb of Basel, which is the spot, where Germany, France and Switzerland meet. 10 minutes to France, 2 minutes to Germany. Thanks for your welcome! - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:29:40 +0100 From: "morten feiring" Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) - Reply 3/21 - Aries, isn't it? Can someone confirm that!? My wife is 3/22, does that mean we still have many, many good years together ahead of us? Morten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:40:41 -0700 From: pmeyer Subject: New Poll to Lighten the Load I am a Cancer, but go more for backpacking than skydying! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:33:02 +0100 From: "morten feiring" Subject: TTT It's the warmth of the voice and the melodies, I feel it's there through all of the songs on the CD: It's Joni wishing us all - her fans and all listeners - the very best. It,s Joni making us wanting to be nice to our wives, husbands, children, friends, neighbours, cats, dogs - and so on and so on. Morten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:36:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply Actually I need to make some sweaters. It is cold here now. As for a love letter I think he knows after 17 yrs together! I don't think I have ever written one in my life. Mark or Travis wrote: > catman wrote: > > > > I like to knit and boat at the same time. very relaxing. maybe I could knit a > > jmdl sweater whilst sailing in a sort STAS fashion. > > Or maybe you could knit John a sweater & write him a love letter! > > Mark in Seattle - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: some millers Subject: re: astro. sign/Amelia (SJC) Howdy- Wasn't going to partake of this poll, as I'm not into astrology. However, the coincidence below has moved me. I am also a Leo, born 8/18. Our first, and only, child was a beautiful little girl named Amelia Grace. Tragically, her death preceded her birth. "Dreams Amelia, dreams, and false alarms..." Paul S.Bethlehem, NY >Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:31:39 -0400 >From: "amy" >Subject: NJC...astro. sign > >Hi Everyone, > > I am a Leo, born 8/18, and given up for adoption that same day. My >parents got me a few days later and named me Amelia...were the stars looking >out for me or what? > >amy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:59:49 EDT From: Tleetie@aol.com Subject: Joni's Sad Slide Dear James (jw), "...it's got a good beat, and you can dance to it." -- If I am not mistaken, that was mis-attributed. Wasn't it Amber Van Tussle who first uttered those immortal words to the inimitable Ms. Harry? Also, I held my tongue the first time someone mentioned that they had wasted two hours of their life when they saw Sheryl Crow play live. Now, I cannot vouch for how she plays live (though she does say that playing live is her "main gig"), but on cd, I find her music driven, personal, musically refined (though there is much road to travel, and comparisons to Joni leave her, of course, wanting). I just think we should be grateful to the media when they support music with integrity. I'd love to hear though why people find her so revolting. I would at least think that those of us who DO like 'Lead Balloon' would dig a lot of Sheryl's stuff. Do any of us know Joni's opinion about Sheryl's work? Just curious? I would at least think that Joni would support the idea of Ms. Crow producing her own albums; and, of course, they are (as we ALL are) sharing in the ravages of love... Danny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:17:50 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply Looks like the bulls are lagging...............One official Taurus added to list. It all fits in my case and my Taurus daughter! Serious standoffs here. I couldn't seem to pick favorite Joni albums, in the top section would be FTR, HoSL, and Ladies. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:37:17 EDT From: DLGoldie@aol.com Subject: Joni in Minneapolis It's the morning after a great concert. If I never see her again, I will be satisfied with this. Joni was in great humor and sounded fabulous. (I was scared to death she'd be crabby.) The band was tight and well rehearsed. YOU WON'T BELIEVE THE SETLIST!!! She opened with a jazzy, fun version of Big Yellow Taxi (including her fabled Dylan imitation), slid into Just Like This Train then played a new version of Free Man In Paris. I was shocked! (I'm going to get the order wrong here, other attendees please forgive me but it's hard to write in the dark when your eyes are filled with tears.) She also played Night Ride Home, Harry's House, Coyote, Amelia, (I can't believe I've heard her sing Amelia) Hejira, Crazy Cries of Love, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (oh my god!) , Happiness is the Best Facelift, Magdalen Laundries, Sex Kills (dedicated to Clinton) Moon at the Window (to die for singing and playing) and then, guitar off, cigarette in hand, she did a wonderful Trouble Man (the woman still has a diaphram) and the exisquisite Billie Holiday tune Comes Love. Larry was on her left, looking large and protective and adoring. Brian Blade is soooo good and cute, and the pedal steel is my new favorite jazz instrument. At the end of the concert she said, "thank you for reminding me how fun this can be". OK, for the bad news. It was a terrible venue for her, Bob Dylan has more than his share of rednecks in the audience, and people were rude (I got into a fight -- and backed the guy down -- during the break). I was worried sick Joni would notice all the talking during her set and get pissed, but either she couldn't hear or her good humor was too all-encompassing. I suspect there will be more rude audiences during the tour. Oh, and by the way, Bob was tight, engaged and really rocked! Dorothy from St. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:00:24 -0400 From: jw1327 Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #435 Julie wrote: > I don't know about the PFV > special, though, I doubt that people who aren't really into her music will pay > to watch one of her concerts and become converts. I think if it was on HBO or > PBS or something that people already have access to in their homes, they might > be more likely to give it a chance. Now I don't profess to know how these things work, but WHY NOT PBS instead of PPV??? James Taylor did an extremely successfyl PBS special a while back (actually, several of them over the years) Also, why not this "Live by Request" thing that A&E does??? (OK OK it's cable, but at least it wouldn't cost you 20 bucks!) Crab Crab Crab! Winge winge winge! Snark snark snark! Feeling very surreal in SoHo, James, the Conspiracy Chronicler ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:27:31 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni in Minneapolis - -----Original Message----- From: DLGoldie@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 8:41 AM Subject: Joni in Minneapolis > >Joni was in great humor and sounded fabulous. (I was scared to death she'd be >crabby.) The band was tight and well rehearsed. YOU WON'T BELIEVE THE >SETLIST!!! She opened with a jazzy, fun version of Big Yellow Taxi (including >her fabled Dylan imitation), slid into Just Like This Train then played a new >version of Free Man In Paris. I was shocked! Welcome, Dorothy. This is great. I'm full of excitement and anticipation. Thanks for the setlist. Marsha, off to the Windy City with a new pair of binoculars to share on the 12th row ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:35:21 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in German, spirit of Jaco, & real Joni guitar sounds in standard tuning I was out of town all last week, so now I am trying to read ALL my emails. To Marion in Vienna-- Thank you for sharing this experience. I could easily imagine your delight on discovering this wonderful show--comparable to what many of us probably felt upon discovering jmdl. I hope those three people join the list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:02:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) - Reply In a message dated 10/24/98 5:31:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mfeiring@online.no writes: << 3/21 - Aries, isn't it? Can someone confirm that!? >> Could be Pisces, or the cusp, depends on the year. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:02:22 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Sad Slide In a message dated 10/24/98 8:02:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tleetie@aol.com writes: << "...it's got a good beat, and you can dance to it." -- If I am not mistaken, that was misattributed. Wasn't it Amber Van Tussle who first uttered those immortal words to the inimitable Ms. Harry? >> No, that would be a tired, cliched phrase from the old American Bandstand show starring Dick Clark. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:06:21 -0500 From: Brad Fors Subject: Minneapolis show I don't have time to review 'cause I have a 7 or 8 hour drive to Chicago ahead of me. Gotta go. Here's the set list. Suffice to say that Dave Alvin was really good, Joni was really good and if you plan to leave before Dylan you will be making a serious mistake. He is SOOOOO on the top of his game right now! Last night was THE best Dylan show I've ever seen. And as you know, I've lost count of how many Dylan shows I've seen. Joni Big Yellow Taxi Just Like This Train (enter the band) Night Ride Home Crazy Cries Of Love Free Man In Paris Harry's House Black Crow (smokin'!) Amelia Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Happiness is the Best Face Lift Sex Kills The Magdalene Laundries Moon At The Window Trouble Man Comes Love (No encore) - She played for 80 minutes. Alvin played for 40 minutes, and Bob played FOREVER! 1 hour 45 minutes Brad NP - Refuge of the Road (to Chicago) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:05:25 -0700 From: Scott & Jen & Anna Spring <3bunas@accessatlanta.com> Subject: little green Born with the moon in cancer... I don't know what that means for sure, being the astrological whiz that I am, but I always liked it because I am a cancer... 7/11 Jen np:Not to Blame ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:20:58 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: astro. sign/Amelia (SJC) << > I am a Leo, born 8/18, and given up for adoption that same day. My >parents got me a few days later and named me Amelia...were the stars looking >out for me or what? > Amy, I love the name Amelia, song or no song. I vote you the Little Green of the JMDL. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:21:29 EDT From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: Julie's letter to the NYTimes Hi- Got my copy of the NYTimes today and read the Julie Z. Webb letter responding to the Joni article. Good letter! I have to say, though, that I tend to agree with the first two letters as well. I can't help but notice the lack of mention of Kilauren's real parents. I'm very curious as to how they feel about the reunion. Perhaps there has been something written about them and I've missed it. Anyway, I really didn't like the NYT Joni article and was pleased to see Julie's rebut! By the way, I'm a Pisces, the dreamer! Best- Jan in Hoboken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:26:01 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: little green In a message dated 10/24/98 10:14:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 3bunas@accessatlanta.com writes: << Born with the moon in cancer... I don't know what that means for sure, being the astrological whiz that I am, but I always liked it because I am a cancer... 7/11 Jen >> Which means you were born with the SUN in cancer, not the moon. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:40:47 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Julie Z'Webb in NYTimes! Congratulations to a true Joni fan, our own Julie Webb, for her letter of rebuttal to the not-so-nice article on Joni in the NYTimes Sunday Magazine edition a few weeks ago. Way to go, Jules!!!!! I'll show it to Joni.... ;-) Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) - So far! Hello listers! Looks like Denise and I have the same birthday (3/23). Now comes the all important question...are we twins separated at birth? Let's see what year we were born. I'll give up my info (1961). Denise???? >ARIES >1) Denise - I am an exception to your theory......an Aries 3/23 > Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:45:36 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Julie's letter to the NYTimes At 10:21 AM 10/24/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi- >Got my copy of the NYTimes today and read the Julie Z. Webb letter responding >to the Joni article. JAN, ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!! I thought that they have to call and confirm all letters to the editor, and no one ever called me... We don't get the NY TIMES until Sunday here in Pittsburgh. Is it in the NY TIMES MAGAZINE? Did they print the whole thing: >Dear Editor: > I saw nothing new in your article about Joni Mitchell. Name one creative musical icon without a strong ego? The ability to put one's art out there requires a good deal of confidence, so why does your article manage to focus on Joni Mitchell as a talented but unappreciative, arrogrant brat? (Yawn... Been there done that. It's time to tell us something different about powerful women in our culture.) Starting off the article with a headline implying that Joni Mitchell has nothing but contempt for Lilith Fair is the first sign of the tone this article was going to take. And yet, I could find no quote anywhere in the aricle pertaining to her thoughts on Lilith Fair. > I also found the photo very unflattering; I'm all for we women looking our age, but why is it that the NY Times Magazine chose to capture Joni Mitchell on a "bad hair day" with lighting so harsh that she's made to look older than she appears in person? > No question I've been a fan of Joni Mitchell's for a long time, and I certainly don't think she's above reproach. She's been criticized for taking her honesty and opinions too far her entire career. But without that same kind of honesty she couldn't have been able to write such powerful music and lyrics that ring so true to the human experience. > I tried to put myself in the place of the typical NY Times reader who >has probably not given Joni Mitchell much thought in 20 years. Unfortunately they learned very little about the passion of Joni Mitchell's paintings and music. Instead we get, yet another bitchfest or unflattering profile of one more talented woman in the entertainment business. Reread the article and substitute Joni's name for Barbra or Roseanne or Hillary and it can almost sound like the same person. > -Julie Z. Webb > jzw@visint.com Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Im on cloud nine!!! Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:35:01 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: NJC - The Catman / the JMDL in general / Astro sign Colin, Firstly, I'm so sorry to hear about your recent troubles.....a fellow JMDL-er has already suggested it, but you sure could do worse than move out to the country if at all possible..... :-) As for that poor deluded person who sent you that "remarkable" letter....again, you have my sympathy and I share your disbelief. If it made you feel better to share it with us here on the list, then that's something....and I'm glad nobody has begrudged you doing so. Despite all the problems on the JMDL recently, I still believe this list is by far and away the most vibrant, intelligent, informative and interactive community of the dozen or so mailing lists I subscribe to. Finally, thanks for also making me laugh out loud TWICE in one day, with your wonderful quips ("Sagittarius in Uranus...", and the "pink and hairy...." ones). Not subtle by any stretch of the imagination, but the end result is what matters....you made me laugh. I'm glad you've still got your sense of humour intact :-) Jason. (a "classic" Gemini - May 30th 1971) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:59:11 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: ps: ps. Well I owe some of you thanks for giving me the comments that I needed to email the letter to the editor. It's not your exact words, but the more or less the same thoughts: Deb Messling: I saw nothing new in your article about Joni Mitchell. Kakki: Name one creative musical icon without a strong ego? The ability to put one's art out there requires a good deal of confidence, MarkSc: I certainly don't think she's above reproach. She's been criticized for taking her honesty and opinions too far her entire career. But without that same kind of honesty Deb Messling: I tried to put myself in the place of the typical NY Times reader who >has probably not given Joni Mitchell much thought in 20 years. Unfortunately they learned very little about the passion of Joni Mitchell's paintings and music. JulesZW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:19:52 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Julie's letter to the NYTimes CONGRATS JULIE!!! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:49:37 EDT From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply Hi Lori in San Antonio (a place I've always wanted to visit!) - I am an Aries w/Moon in Sagittarius and Gemini rising (truth, justice, and speech! :) My sweet love is a Gemini - hence the loving comment about not shutting up! :) Luv, *La Susana * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:51:40 EDT From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply Catman - LOL! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:27:04 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) ok, at the urging of my best friend, roberto, i was born on 12/17 - a saggitarius. someone once told me that a sag was the archer, shooting his little arrows of truth into the very heart of things...hmmmm. i always just assumed i was the horse's ass. (no one should feel the need to comment on that by the way...) peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:20:54 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Zodiac Poll (NJC) From: kbarnicle@ma01.ensr.com Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:36:59 EDT I will be tabulating all of the horiscope responses, so you can either email me privately or post to the list. But I am on the digest so I don't always get everything. I will post a list of responders every so often so you can check. And, no, gemini's will not be counted twice! So far, the gemini's are in the lead! Have a good weekend all! Much Joni, Katie the Archer from the Cape ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:46:35 EDT From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply Terry - The best website to go to for FREE (believe it 'r' not!) astro charts is at www.alabe.com. You will need an exact time of birth, or can put in an approximate time. And then again...you may have Mercury in Cancer..... Let me know what you come up with! :) Luv, *La Susana * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:57:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni in Minneapolis At 8:37 AM -0400 10/24/98, DLGoldie@aol.com wrote: >Free Man In Paris Unbelievable! >Coyote OH MY GOD! >Don Juan's Reckless Daughter OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! That is all. Mark ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:55:13 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: (NJC) Taurus trouble In a message dated 10/23/98 9:03:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark-n- Travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << Taurus here (and no cracks about bull, please!) >> Well!!!! I never!!!! I will just have to take the bull by the horns, and ask you to stop this bulloney, or risk being kicked out of the bull ring!! Imagine, trying to bully us into bulleving that you can bulldog us around! I'm too bullheaded to take this bulls*%t. So, unless you want a bullfight, consider this a bulletin, Mark, to get back to your bullion, and take a walk among the bullfrogs and the bullfinches!! thisisajoke(justincaseyoudidntlareadyknow)thisisajoke Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:40:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC - The Catman / the JMDL in general / Astro sign Jason-thatnks for your thoughts. Fool that I am I held the olive branch out to that woman. I felt I should not have made her mail public. The reply I got was a great gob of spit in the face. Weird how these people profess to follow a man who taught LOVE. Whatever, I did the right thing. That is what counts. We are definately moving to the country-the mortage is arranged. It'll just take about 9 months to arrange all the money. Meanwhile we are being rehoused by the authority. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:47:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni in Minneapolis Thanks for the review, Dorothy! >It's the morning after a great concert. If I never see her again, I will be >satisfied with this. Joni was in great humor and sounded fabulous. >then played a new version of Free Man In Paris >Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (oh my god!) Fantastic!!! Oh, now tell me Joni doesn't follow our list ;-) She sure has been tailoring her setlists to so many of our favs. Anyone, uh, get a tape of last night??? Kakki NP: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:03:11 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: (NJC) Taurus trouble Ashara@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/23/98 9:03:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark-n- > Travis@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << Taurus here (and no cracks about bull, please!) >> > > Well!!!! I never!!!! I will just have to take the bull by the horns, and ask > you to stop this bulloney, or risk being kicked out of the bull ring!! > Imagine, trying to bully us into bulleving that you can bulldog us around! I'm > too bullheaded to take this bulls*%t. So, unless you want a bullfight, > consider this a bulletin, Mark, to get back to your bullion, and take a walk > among the bullfrogs and the bullfinches!! > > thisisajoke(justincaseyoudidntlareadyknow)thisisajoke > > Hugs, > Ashara LOL! XOXO Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:13:49 +0200 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: Newbie (NJC) Hi Ric, >i stayed a week in your unbelievably beautiful country - lauterbrunnen, >near that gorgeous waterfall - angel falls? i think so. the tallest in >europe i am told. You sure picked one of the nicest spots, facing the collosal Eiger, Moench and Jungfrau mountains. As for the waterfall: there must be quite a few waterfalls near Lauterbrunnen, which actually is called "The Valley of the 72 Waterfalls". But the biggest in Europe likely is the "Rheinfall" near Schaffhausen. Very impressive. The water is so loud, you can hardly speak to your neighbour. You got to scream in the ear. > i have a special affection for switzerland as i fell in love while >staying in that glorious valley (who wouldn't?) This is probably why i have this big affection for Big Sur in California ;-). I have been there in 1970 and my love introduced me to LOTC! Oh well, times... >can you spell your name phonetically? the "ue" is actually a vowel "u" with two dots above. Juerg is spelled something like "jy:rg". Best wishes - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:19:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Random Musings JC Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:52:30 -0400 From: "John M. Lind" Bob M. wrote: >Here's the JC for those who only want to read it: As much as I like Mingus, it's extremely frustrating to listen to the disc in my CD-changers in "Random" mode (which I almost always do) and have to hear those annoying "raps" Whoa! *big* disagreement here Bob. I think the 'raps' are an itrical part of the total picture that is the Mingus album. For the most part they relate directly to the songs ie: 'Funeral'-'A Chair In The Sky' and 'Coin In Pocket'-'The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines'-'Lucky'. Yes, getting these very short tracks out of context in the middle of a shuffle can be annoying, but that's one of the foibles of "shuffle" mode, along with audiance noise cutting in and out from live albums or song that segue getting cut. I don't think the album would be complete without them. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:39:55 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: RS album guide (SJC) Evian wrote: <<>> In the last edition (which is now almost ten years old) they attempted to improve the guide by drastically cutting the number of reviewers, to only four. In previous editions there were so many reviewers that ratings from one artist to another were an inconsistent measure of the "quality" of recordings. In the most recent edition you can get a feel for the tastes of each individual reviewer; furthermore, each reviewer pretty much covered one decade, so it's easier to get a feel of what each reviewer feels are the most significant records of a given time. Of the four, J.D. Considine has the best ear IMO. When Evian wrote <<>> I had to think that the most significant word there was "IF." RS is IMO the best opinion to 60s - early 70s straight white guy rock and its descendants, but other than that I find them fairly clueless. Joni's certainly someone who falls prey to their rather small vision of "good" music. I turn to _Spin_ more often, since they do a better job of assigning reviews to appropriate reviewers IMO. It's always nice to get trustworthy reviews of records by, say, the Pet Shop Boys, Public Enemy, Emmylou Harris and Pearl Jam in the same issue, and RS just isn't capable of that IMO. I do think you can't go wrong with a five-star record from RS or a 9 or 10 record from _Spin_, and I've used both to shore up my knowledge of older music. - --Michael NP: DJRD, which I'm just discovering and loving ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:32:10 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Slide down the Billboard Charts Colleen wrote: <<>> Actually, you'd be surprised just how much of a bounce TV events give an album, even among people who don't watch the actual event. All the promos for the event become promos for the album, too. I've followed Billboard charts for quite a while now, and I think TTT will most likely rise back into the top 100 after the concerts and PPV kick in. But remember, this kind of record becomes a slow and steady seller success, not a big Billboard explosion. We should hope for sustained promotion and sales over several months, even a year. We may just see a gold record after 12 months, which would be twice as successful as her last few albums. - --Michael NP: DJRD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:54:13 -0700 From: jussi Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply I don't believe in horoscopes. I object this whole thread. - --Jussi, born April 22 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:47:26 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's sad song In a message dated 98-10-23 23:26:01 EDT, you write: <> I really enjoyed wathching your thought process move through this post. Last week I had to give a 50 minute class on the book of job and i used the sire of sorrow. i too thought about the validity of comparing joni and job and came to the same conclusion as did you. A few points. One, job addresses several dilemenas beyond just his loss of everything. A key issue in the book is justice- 'but how can a man be justified before god 9:2. Another key issue in the book is the 'big god..little man issue - 'Is it a pleasure for you to oppress, have you eyes of flesh 10:2-4. Another issue is that of mortality - 'for a tree there is hope but when a man dies, all vigor leaves him.' 14:7-10. Finally, job goes straight to the issue of his heart - 'this is my final plea, let the almighty answer me.' 31:37. And on TI we all know how joni addresses justice - just-ice. Several of joni's lines are really classics; you tireless watcher...the janitors of shadowland flick their brooms at me....let me spit out my bitterness. My conclusions were very much like you have written here. I did take it a step further to include some vanGogh before and ttt after. In other words, I think joni found peace in writing TI. I think she got past her demons. The ones vincent did not get past. And although she did not have the pleasure of knowing it then, she was given back her family. One thing I always notice in her interviews is when someone says 'you've be reuinited with your daughter...' she always says...'and my grand son.' She makes for an even better job story with that fact. And I am reminded that she seperated with her child after 6 months not at birth. I think that is paramount in her spirituality and belief system. And how often she sings about money. For Free. California. Her struggle for higher achievements and her search for love that don't seem to cease. And of course on ttt she does my best to you. At the end of the class, I held up in a sequence the original vanGogh self portrait with pipe and bandaged ear, joni's self portrait, then her picture with kilauren, and lastly her self portrait on ttt. One more thought. There is a line in the new testament about faith: faith is the realization of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. That sequence of pictures shows me the realization of hope and evidence of the unseen. I see two things in job that stand out. One, job had the courage to question god. Two, job was satisfied with the answers he received. God came to the party for job. And i think he/she did too for joni. And I think she knows that and that makes her look wonderful to me. I don't think joni would have been able to sing that song if she had not found her peace with the tireless watcher. I see a hopeful joni emerge from TI and I see a joyful Joni emerge in ttt. But I think TI was a significant milestone for joni. And i agree, job and the sire of sorrow are both stories for everyone to personalize. pj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: sign, sign everywhere a sign Marilune wrote: >...moon in Cancer Maybe we should call you Little Green! "Be a gypsy dancer" gdave (another Capricorn) NP: Tape of the Day 10/24/79 New Riders of the Purple Sage: Speaks, Long Island, NY. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:03:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni in the N.Y. and L.A. Times Good work, Julie - congratulations on getting the letter in the N.Y. Times! Picked up tomorrow's L.A. Times this morning and saw that Joni has made it twice into their Reader's Choices Top 100 of the best pop albums of all time: No. 30 - Court and Spark, ahead of: No. 32. The Wall - Pink Floyd; No. 33 Legend - Bob Marley; No. 34. Innervisions - Stevie; No. 43. Moondance - Van, and No. 45 - Blue, ahead of: No. 48 Tommy - The Who; No. 51 Aja - Steely Dan; No. 55 Astral Weeks - Van; No. 63 - 1999 - Prince, and many, many more. The top ten follows pretty much every other poll: 1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band 2. White Album 3. Abbey Road 4. The Joshua Tree - U2 5. Rubber Soul 6. Nevermind - Nirvana 7. Who's Next 8. The Dark Side of The Moon 9. Pet Sounds 10. Revolver Note to Liz Phair fans - Exile in Guyville made it on the list at No. 86, ahead of Dylan's Time Out of Mind at No. 93. Kakki NP: Cotton Avenue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:19:03 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: Rubin Carter NJC From: "Jim L'Hommedieu]" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:51:53 -0400 My brother-in-law said that Rubin Carter was released and convicted of murder again and jailed. Can anyone confirm? "Rubin Carter was falsely tried." Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:35:37 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll (Joni Content!!) Our Marian of Vienna, in the U.S. at the moment, asked me to forward this to the JMDL: - ---------------- My sign is: Virgo sun with Libra rising and moon in Pisces (too serious for too long!) Joni has a grand trine (one of the most powerful and positive astrological configurations) of moon (emotion) in Pisces in the third house of communication, trine to venus/mercury (beauty/intellect) in Scorpio in the tenth house of career, trine to uranus (eccentricity/unpredictability/instability/uniqueness/changeableness) in Cancer (ruled by moon) in the seventh house of relationships. Joni's rising sign is Saggitarius, ruled by Jupiter which is expansive and benevolent. Saggitarians like to talk and have a really hard time keeping a secret. Anyone with planets in any of these signs, especially at or near the degrees of her planets, might feel a particular sympathy with her. We are more than just our sun signs! Moon and rising sign especially are very important in describing our uniqueness astrologically. Marian Virginia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:39:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: joni's sad song I don't think it arrogant of Joni to comapre herself to Job. I think Job is all of us. All of us suffer, it cannot be avoided. It is part of life. I think that story is telling us no matter how dire things get NEVER give up faith in the power of good. no matter what shit gets thrown-don't hate. No matter how sick you get-don't feel abandoned. No matter how dark it is never forget the light is there. No matter what we are precious and loved-even when we feel unworthy and cut off. I love Job's Sad Song and it qualifies as one of my best Joni's of all time. When sad and desparing, it helps to lighten. When all goes well it helps to remind one of others. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:47:26 -0700 From: ginny Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) Mark Domyancich wrote: I am a Pisces. So who's my counterpart? :-) Ginny, Pisces. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:41:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: "OH MY GOD!" Mark D. wrote: >OH MY GOD! > >>Don Juan's Reckless Daughter followed by repeated: "OH MY GOD!!!s" This made me think of something that happened to me in a photography store a couple weeks ago. I went to have some photos from Joni's taping enlarged and a young man of about 18 took my order. When he saw the photos he started hyperventilating and repeating "OH MY GOD!!" When I queried him in my best old geezer attitude "You are so young - you know who Joni Mitchell is?", he more passionately and emphatically affirmed "OH MY GOD!!" So I told him about the taping and PPV, the new album, the upcoming tours and so on. He responded to each bit of information from me with nothing but repeated and increasingly louder and ecstatic "OH MY GODs!!" By this point other customers in the store were gathering around and observing us curiously. He was still hyperventilating as I left the store. It was great. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:02:40 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: "OH MY GOD!" He's probably just like me: never seen Joni in concert and any sight of Joni on paper or on TV is a total shock! Mark, who feels that those on this list should be thankful for seeing Joni at least once, and is tired of people complaining they haven't seen her in years Kakki wrote: >This made me think of something that happened to me in a photography store a >couple weeks ago. I went to have some photos from Joni's taping enlarged >and a young man of about 18 took my order. When he saw the photos he >started hyperventilating and repeating "OH MY GOD!!" When I queried him in >my best old geezer attitude "You are so young - you know who Joni Mitchell >is?", he more passionately and emphatically affirmed "OH MY GOD!!" So I >told him about the taping and PPV, the new album, the upcoming tours and so >on. He responded to each bit of information from me with nothing but >repeated and increasingly louder and ecstatic "OH MY GODs!!" By this point >other customers in the store were gathering around and observing us >curiously. He was still hyperventilating as I left the store. It was >great. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:06:28 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Zodiac Chart (NJC) Hey everyone- Could someone repost that URL for finding out your moon in whatever? I must have deleted it. Thanks! Mark ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:10:50 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Minneapolis In a message dated 98-10-24 16:17:46 EDT, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << >Don Juan's Reckless Daughter OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!! That is all. >> you kill me mark. and you captured my sentiments exactly!!!!! love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:33:23 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply In a message dated 10/24/98 4:22:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi writes: << I don't believe in horoscopes. I object this whole thread. --Jussi, born April 22 >> Typical Taurean! LOL Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:36:07 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Inyourendo (NJC) Marsha wrote: "Let's put it this way: I hope you have an itty bitty camcorder, large thighs, and a roll of duct tape. Be sure to cover your red recording light as Dylan's Darlings are absolute stealths at spotting, yanking, and escorting the zealous out of the halls... we have it on good authority...(right Ms. California girl? by the name of Kaaaaa.....but I ain't namin' names!!!)" Hey Marsha- I think the sexual inyourendo is a little much here and for such a newbee. Just cause you are recently single... by the way, are you looking for a date for Atlanta??? I'll write you by Tuesday or so. Hey Todd-Good luck with the taping and hope you enjoy the show + welcome to the friendliest place on earth. Best Michael PS Is Kaaaaa the same one that peeps over fences? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:23:54 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Joni/Dylan Toronto Concert Are there any JMDL members going to the concert next Thursday who care to share where their seats are located so we can meet. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:48:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Inyourendo (NJC) Michael wrote Marsha wrote about someone on this list, I presume, getting thrown, I mean, escorted out of a Dylan concert: >we have it on good authority...(right Ms. California girl? >by the name of Kaaaaa.....but I ain't namin' names!!!)" and then Mr. Paz quickly conjectured: >PS Is Kaaaaa the same one that peeps over fences? Please check your facts again before you spread such inyourendo about people. It was a Spanish, mock-adobe style WALL not a fence! Kaaaaaa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:31:13 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Inyourendo (NJC) Well I misjudged again. And here I was thinking Kaaa was such a nice law abiding citizen and all the time she is nothing more than a common criminal-a sinner of some position no less. Why are you still on the streets? Thats the trouble with this world-no morals, all gone to pot, liberal weak minded yellow bellies. Disicipline! That is what we need. DISCIPLINE! What we need today is the fear of God back in our hearts(or at least certain punishment). You may scoff, young lady, but you will rue the day you broke my, I mean the, moral code. praise be! I will pray that your soul may be saved from eternal torment. a shocked former admirer Kakki wrote: > Michael wrote Marsha wrote about someone on this list, I presume, getting > thrown, I mean, escorted out of a Dylan concert: > > >we have it on good authority...(right Ms. California girl? > >by the name of Kaaaaa.....but I ain't namin' names!!!)" > > and then Mr. Paz quickly conjectured: > > >PS Is Kaaaaa the same one that peeps over fences? > > Please check your facts again before you spread such inyourendo about > people. It was a Spanish, mock-adobe style WALL not a fence! > > Kaaaaaa - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:54:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: RE: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) Count me in on this one, too Brian Nov 25 === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right - ---Jill Linn wrote: > > Looks like we need some more Sagittarians counted in! > > Jill - - Dec. 15 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:18:38 EDT From: TTeer1@aol.com Subject: Re: Random Musings JC Right on, Bro... An album is meant to be listened to as an album... Random, or shuffle with other cd's is for background - not experience. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 98 02:51:09 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Minneapolis show Thanks Brad4s for posting this! So glad to see a couple of changes in the setlist from the May mini-tour -- not that I didn't love it, but I like variety even more!!! I'm with Mark D. re DJRD (oh my god!). Wonder if this song is suddenly "right" for her due to the breakup with Don -- like now that she's single she can play it with feeling... Going to the NYC show with a few friends (and gonna meet JMDLRs too), one friend is going mainly to see Dylan, when I told her I had found out Joni's MN setlist she asked if I would mind making her a tape of those songs. MIND???? She obviously knows nothing about the Joni fan, who is tickled, honored and thrilled to spread the music, especially for a "non-believer." Its gonna be FUN putting this tape together, I have so many versions of alot of these songs from tape trees/trades. Gonna probably use Magdalene Laundries from the Just Ice/Much Music concert in '94, great intro, great *acoustic* guitar (this is one that really looses alot of its beauty on electric/VG8, which can't pick up all her little stylistic inflections). Definately gonna use the studio (TTT) version of Face Lift, the orchestral interlude with Wayne's sax dancing around Joni's keyboard is sheer brilliance! Wouldn't it be great if Herbie Hancock joined the tour for a couple of songs -- perhaps an encore of The Man I Love and Harry's House/CENTERPIECE. Then Joni can ask Herbie to relinquish the piano bench and play BLUE! Hey, I can dream :-) -Kenny NP: Big Yellow Taxi (Anaheim - 5/23/98) On 10/24/98 10:06AM, Brad Fors wrote: I don't have time to review 'cause I have a 7 or 8 hour drive to Chicago ahead of me. Gotta go. Here's the set list. Suffice to say that Dave Alvin was really good, Joni was really good and if you plan to leave before Dylan you will be making a serious mistake. He is SOOOOO on the top of his game right now! Last night was THE best Dylan show I've ever seen. And as you know, I've lost count of how many Dylan shows I've seen. Joni Big Yellow Taxi Just Like This Train (enter the band) Night Ride Home Crazy Cries Of Love Free Man In Paris Harry's House Black Crow (smokin'!) Amelia Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Happiness is the Best Face Lift Sex Kills The Magdalene Laundries Moon At The Window Trouble Man Comes Love (No encore) - She played for 80 minutes. Alvin played for 40 minutes, and Bob played FOREVER! 1 hour 45 minutes Brad NP - Refuge of the Road (to Chicago) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:07:03 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Star Sign (NJC) I don't believe in astrology as I'm a virgo and virgo's are sceptics :) Michael ns Gardinia & Jasmine aaaahhhhhhhhh !!!!!! michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html On the other hand You have 5 fingers!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:10:49 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:38:52 -0400 From: "John M. Lind" >>What is everyone's astrological sign? No big surprise here I'm sure. Taurus, 28 April, '67. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:02:35 -0500 From: Alan Subject: New Poll to Lighten the Load (NJC) Thanks Ken... (LOL) Glad to see I'm not the only cynic in the bunch. I think my sign is "Yield" By the way, thinking about stars (astronomy, not astrology), I read recently that according to the best current measurements, our Milky Way galaxy is moving at 1.3 MILLION MILES AN HOUR in the direction of the constellation Hydra. Is that cool, or what? Talk about "the sky forever rushing." > "Ken (Slarty)" Wrote: > "Dec. 13 my sign as near as I can tell is 'Dead End'. > Too much time on the computer I suspect." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #436 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?