From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #425 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 425 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The tour, etc. [Wally Breese ] Refuge Of the Road, Travel Fever [Skin Deep ] TTT, VG8 in the studio etc [Howard Wright ] Joni and drummers [Howard Wright ] More Mingus! + trashing Barbara ... [Howard Wright ] Matthew Shepard killing etc (NJC) ["Jos B" ] Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [joe horne ] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [BH1248@aol.com] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [sherrie.good@chronicle.co] JMDL - a misunderstood lot, (NJC) [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: JMDL - a misunderstood lot, (NJC) [heather ] Musician Magazine [Phyliss Ward ] Re: finger noise [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [Janet Hess ] That Dotty Joni The Cat Lady ... ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Finally got TTT in NZ! and Man From Mars poll.....which version is better? [AzeemAK@] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [jan gyn ] Re: Joni and drummers [Marilune@aol.com] Jane Siberry [Anne Madden ] Cost of Joni [Phyliss Ward ] Now I'll really believe it! [Jeff & Vicki Harris ] Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements [Scott and Jody ] The upcoming tour- 3rd act added [Wally Breese ] Re: Random Notes (SJC) ["Eric Taylor" ] atlanta [Tunajon@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 00:21:27 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: The tour, etc. Hello everyone, Yesterday in L.A., Joni began four days of rehearsals for her upcoming eleven date tour sharing the bill with Bob Dylan. Rehearsals with her band continue through Wednesday (the 21st), and once again, Joni is joined by Larry Klein on bass, Greg Liesz on guitar, and Brian Blade on drums, but substituting for Mark Isham on trumpet this time out will be Chris Botti. I spoke with Brian Blade by phone at the end of last week and he told me that he's very excited about the upcoming tour. He said: "We may add or exclude something from what we did at the shows back in May and at Woodstock in August, but the new shows will probably contain many of the same core songs." Brian told me he's taking a break after this tour with Joni to go home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, but then he's off again on tour with his own band, The Brian Blade Fellowship, beginning in early January. Brian and his band's self-named premiere album (on Blue Note) is quite wonderful (it reminds me of Mingus Ah Um), and is now available in stores all around the world. Give it a try. In stores this Tuesday (10/20) is Herbie Hancock's new CD, "Gershwin's World." Joni sings two famous Gershwin tunes on the album- "The Man I Love" and "Summertime." Her voice is smoky, sensual, and very lovely singing these standards. Stevie Wonder adds his distinctive harmonica work and Wayne Shorter joins in on saxophone on the "Summertime" track. Recently, in concert, Joni's performed a couple of other pop classics- Lena Horne's signature song, "Stormy Weather," and a Billie Holiday rarity called "Comes Love." She has stated in a few articles that she'd like her next album to be a collection of standards. Stevie Wonder also contributes lead vocals to one song on the album, and other guests are Chick Correa, Kathleen Battle, Orpheus Chamber Orchestra, and more. I've connected up with folks who want to be the JM.com reporter/photographer for one of Joni's shows on the upcoming tour. Each of the eleven dates is now covered, and I want to send my sincere thanks to all who volunteered to assist. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:23:19 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Refuge Of the Road, Travel Fever > > > Fellow JoniScribers, > Just a short note to say thanks for the time spent with you all. > As the subject bar implies, my 18 year old niece and I are on > our way to Southeast Asia, Nepal, India and on to................? > I am a firm believer that at her age, young adults should travel > before getting too tied down by material obligations and middle class > circumstances. > As the opportunity has presented itself to her and me, we are going > to take it. We both need to go out and get new stories. > With no set itinerary and an open ticket that is good for one year, > we will get on the bus (plane) and look forward to what fate has > in store for these two defectors from the futile wars. > BarBearUh, I'm glad someone got a laugh form my comment ;-) > Again thanks to all of you. It has been a pleasure to share thoughts > and insights of Miss Mitchell with you. > Thank You Wally, for the birthday present of a lifetime, the invitation > to attend the Warner Brothers Performance and the opportunity to talk > and share some ideas with Joan . Be Well > To all of you, Be Well > Waltzenfree > np (what else) Hejira...........Peace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:20:34 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: TTT, VG8 in the studio etc I'm enjoying all the TTT comments and opinions. Here's a few extra comments: From: Jeff & Vicki Harris >That being said...was anyone else stunned by the sound of Joni's voice >on this CD? I think it's maturity more than cigarettes, but her voice >keeps getting better (both in sound and her ability to share the emotion >of the song). Absolutely! I think Joni does some stunning singing on this album - the chorus in Harlem still knocks me out, and the singing in Facelift and New Face is gorgeous. From: ae515@lafn.org (Victor King) >The electronic guitar may help Joni while touring, but it ruined TTT. >Many of the tracks sound identical--listen to the first few bars of each >song. The electronic guitar makes everything sound the same, even when >she plays in a different key. Also, the sound is hollow, without any of >the hard edges that help define the shape of the sound. The sound of >Joni's fingernails on an acoustic guitar when she scrapes the wood >incidentally as she plucks the strings gives the songs on TI and NRH an >extra dimension that is totally missing from TTT. I love the sound of Joni on acoustic - and I hope that she will use it occasionally in the studio in the future. The percussive sounds she gets on acoustic *are* very different to what comes out of the VG8. I love hearing her just on her own, with her magic Baby Collings guitar - she always sounds superb playing that thing. BUT - I have to disagree about the VG8 ruining TTT. For me it *made* TTT. Joni has started down a completely new musical road, building up sounds with the VG8 like she has never done before. Tracks like Harlem In Havana just wouldn't have happened without the VG8, and that is one of the finest tracks on the album - IMHO it is one of her finest recorded tracks of all time. I agree that on the tracks with just one guitar part the sound of the VG8 could have been varied more. But Joni is just starting out with her "new toy". It has opened up a whole load of musical possibilities for her - she can access all her tunings using almost any sound she likes - that offers very exciting possibilites for the future! With time, I'm sure she will explore a wider range of sounds, and try out a more varied range of "electric guitar" type sounds. From: Howard Motyl >When I first heard about the VG8 (or whatever the hell that guitar is >called) on this list, I thought it would be helpful in allowing Joni to >tour--because of all the tuning issues. > >So, what I don't understand is--why is she using it in the studio? When >she has the luxury and the time to tune the guitars--or to have a lot of >guitars already tuned--why is she using the VG8? Is it for the sound? In short - yes! For the sound. The tuning problems it overcomes makes it convenient in the first place - but I think the main reason Joni got into it so much is because it allows her to produce such a variety of sounds on the guitar. Previously, she had to turn to keyboards for non-guitar sounds. Now, she can use her tunings and guitar technique to play marimba sounds, horn parts, string parts, whatever she likes. She can build up whole orchestras of "guitar" parts - this is something she could not have done without the VG8. Also, although she can use acoustics with her tunings, it takes a lot of work to set them up properly so that they sound in tune up and down the neck. You have to play around with different string gauges to make sure the intonation is just right. I think it's worth it to do this - because she always sounds great on acoustic! - but I can imagine that it must be a big hassle for her. Everytime she wants to try recording with a new tuning, she has to have someone spend an hour or two setting up her guitar. With the VG8 she can press a button and that's it - everything perfectly in tune, whatever tuning she chooses! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:41:01 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Joni and drummers From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" about Lead Balloon: >Finally, there's the drum problem. One of >the most basic tenents of rock music is the downbeat. (Somebody correct >me if I'm wrong. :)) There are only a few bands where the drums hit >against the beat. If you count "Yes" as a rock band, then there's one. >Then there's the case of "The Police". Who else can play against the >beat and still make rock? Anyway, in my opinion, I'd put Stewart >Copeland on this one track and take away Joni's cigarettes away for >about 20 minutes. When she's ready to snap, roll tape on "Lead >Balloon"! (!!!!!) I would happily sacrifice a leg to hear Joni and Stewart Copeland record together! I'm sure he would come up with something interesting for Lead Balloon - though I like what Brian Blade does a lot. Simple and powerful. Stewart Copeland's drumming is propably too tight and busy to work with a lot of Joni's songs - the more understated, relaxed feel of BB's drums is just right for TTT. But imagine what SC could do with tracks like Black Crow! Talk To Me! Or even something slower, but with plenty of chances for off beat polyrhythmic stuff, maybe Turbulent Indigo? I don't know if the personalities or egos would clash, but Joni with Stewart Copeland could produce some wonderful music. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:02:37 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: More Mingus! + trashing Barbara ... Mark Domyancich wrote: > > You know, I'm really surprized that Joni hasn't brought back any stuff from > Mingus in her recent concerts, considering most of her tunes and the covers > she has done are mostly jazzy. I would piss my pants if I heard her do God > Must Be A Boogie Man or The Dry Cleaner! > Barbara added: > i'd love to hear some mingus! i find it curious that she doesn't do any > of this work, either - it seems the world would be ready for it now. and > 'god must be...' went over very well at the '79 shows it seems. i would > venture to guess that some of this stuff would be too difficult for her > to sing live now. although not necessarily my favorite joni, i think her > singing is at its apex on that album. check out 'chair in the sky' - > probably one of the most diffiult things she's ever done vocally. I was sure that Joni would play Boogie Man at the last set of concerts. This one always seems to work well live. And it's a nice, lively "up" tune, not one of Joni's dark "dramas" (though I love some of Joni's "dark" stuff, you need a balance for a concert). "Chair" is probably my favourite Mingus-composed track on the album. It took me some time to get into, but now I love the melody. You can tell that Joni worked hard to pull this one off - and by god, she did it. I love Sweet Sucker Dance too. Let's hope she does a track or two from Mingus in the upcoming concerts - I guess "Boogie Man" is the most likely, though "Dry Cleaner" is possible - - or even "Wolf" ? Waltzenfree wrote: > > Well I can see how easy it is to misconstrue a post. > My "trashing" comment was meant in a light hearted > way. Barbara: > i laughed myself when i read it! i thought it was intended light heartedly > and was then surprised by the rally-to-my-defense-posts (though touched > by them). I guess I was one who misinterpreted the nature of the "trashing" post. There had already been a handful of serious follow-ups and I thought it was going to turn into yet another on-list melt down, so I posted to try and calm things down. Looks like I jumped the gun a bit! I must check the batteries on that sense of humour implant I had a few months back ... Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 04:11:14 PDT From: "Jos B" Subject: Matthew Shepard killing etc (NJC) I do not know as much about all of this as you guys, as I live in NZ but did see a short snippet on the News. I only know that no one deserves to be tied to a fence and beaten to death, gay or not. No one would even think of doing that to a dog. Hopefully he is with the other man, who was beaten and tied to a cross, right now...... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:06:40 -0700 (PDT) From: joe horne Subject: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Am I the only one who is disappointed in Joni's tour arrangements? First, she is basically the opening act for Bob Dylan. In other words, for the price of $60 (insane!) you can hear Joni play for probably an hour and fifteen minutes (maximum). For $60! That's far too much money, especially for Bob Dylan. His shows are horrible (in my opinion). I would love to see Joni again in Atlanta but I feel taken advantage of with the price of the tickets, the lack of time Joni will actually spend on the stage, and ticket scaplers with their evil price fixing. I think we're going to go to a play and a nice dinner instead. I'm not posting this to make anyone angry but I truly feel like I would be taken advantage of if I gave in to this kind of thing. Have I just gone over the edge in anti-consumerism? Does anyone else feel this way? joejoejoejoejoejoe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:51:54 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements - -----Original Message----- From: joe horne To: joni@smoe.org Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 8:07 AM Subject: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements > >Am I the only one who is disappointed in Joni's tour arrangements? Probably not. >I'm not posting this to make anyone angry but I truly feel like I >would be taken advantage of if I gave in to this kind of thing. Have >I just gone over the edge in anti-consumerism? Does anyone else feel >this way? I don't, Joe. I did get the cheaper seats for this smallish venue in Atlanta where most seats will be good. I am driving from Knoxville (400 mile round trip). I am chunking out change for lodging, meals, and the chance to shmooze with list members like I do a lot here... But then I am a true Joni fan, never regretting all the effort I made to see her 4 times last spring and the opportunity to share it with other true fans... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:58:26 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Refuge Of the Road, Travel Fever - -----Original Message----- From: Skin Deep To: joni@smoe.org Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 5:23 AM Subject: Refuge Of the Road, Travel Fever >> >> >> Fellow JoniScribers, >> Just a short note to say thanks for the time spent with you all. >> As the subject bar implies, my 18 year old niece and I are on >> our way to Southeast Asia, Nepal, India and on to................? So long, Skinny. The air is awfully thin up there.... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:35:01 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements In a message dated 10/19/98 8:06:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, seasonalthought@yahoo.com writes: << Have I just gone over the edge in anti-consumerism? Does anyone else feel this way? >> Perhaps and No. :-) My motto is "Joni Live or Bust!" or maybe it's "Joni Live AND Bust!" Kingpin-- headed for Chicago and Indy shows NP: PJ Harvey, "Is This Desire" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:54:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Well, needless to say, I'm very disappointed she's not coming to Florida. Especially at such a lovely time of the year here. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:05:17 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: Joni and drummers (and bassists) At 10:41 AM 10/19/98 +0100, you wrote: >Stewart Copeland's drumming is propably too tight and busy to work with a >lot of Joni's songs - the more understated, relaxed feel of BB's drums is >just right for TTT. But imagine what SC could do with tracks like Black >Crow! Talk To Me! Or even something slower, but with plenty of chances for >off beat polyrhythmic stuff, maybe Turbulent Indigo? I don't know if the >personalities or egos would clash, but Joni with Stewart Copeland could >produce some wonderful music. > Howard, Jim & all - I have to agree with what you said about Copeland's drumming having heard Copeland's drumming skills in the group "Animal Logic". Now that you are mentioning other musicians jamming with Joni how about Bill Brufford? Jim had mentioned the group "Yes" from his earlier post. I have seen Brufford with his jazz group "Earthworks" on a couple of occasions and he seems to have uniqueness in drumming technique that would work with Joni's style. In particular, on Harlem in Havana and Man From Mars. Also, what do you think about Victor Wooton as a potential bassist? Victor plays bass with Bela Fleck. This is not to say that I don't like the musicians that are on TTT ... just hypothetically thinking .... BTW- has anyone listened to Man From Mars while staring out over the ocean. It is awesome how the melody seems to go with the waves ... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:15:32 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements In a message dated 10/19/98 8:06:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, seasonalthought@yahoo.com writes: << In other words, for the price of $60 (insane!) you can hear Joni play for probably an hour and fifteen minutes (maximum). For $60! That's far too much money, especially for Bob Dylan. His shows are horrible (in my opinion). >> I'm not going to go into the relative merits of Bob's music to Joni's. Suffice to say that in 1974 when I went to see Dylan and the Band in Chicago, I went to see the Band and the fact that Dylan there was icing on the cake or rust on the car, since it was the debut of his unretirement tour). In any case, I don't see how you can possibly argue that Joni and Bob for $60 (or $40+fees in my case, since I didn't get a shot at a $60 ticket) is less of a deal than similar money for either one. Furthermore, from what I've been reading on this list lately, I doubt that Joni is physically up to performing for longer than 80 to 90 minutes at a time. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:20:33 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements In a message dated 10/19/98 9:57:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Well, needless to say, I'm very disappointed she's not coming to Florida. Especially at such a lovely time of the year here. Jerry >> Only reason I can think of that Joni is not continuing along with Dylan on the Florida leg of his tour is that there must be an outstanding warrant for Joni in Florida. Maybe something to do with five-finger discount on some Winn-Dixie cold cuts. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:30:38 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements I paid $44.00, which includes all the extra charges ticketmaster adds on. I went in person to ticketmaster a few hours before seats when on sale. I got 15 rows back on the floor. I knew I would be a wreck waiting on the phone for someone to answer. it would make me crazy, so I went in person and was behind one woman who had gotten there at 7:30 in the morning! she is not a member of JMDL, isn't into the e-mail scene. She made wonderful company as we waited. The guy at the ticketmaster was 100% on the ball. From the time she stepped aside and I stepped forward, three rows had sold. In 10 or 15 seconds, available seats went from row 12 to row 15. I am thrilled. it has been 22 years since I've seen Joni. I saw Bob about a year ago and he was great. I would prefer an all Joni show, but I'll take what I can get. Sherrie NP: John Anderson, Seminole Wind ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:02:12 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: JMDL - a misunderstood lot, (NJC) When I posted the request for the ani interview, I was pleasantly surprised to find that a list member from the Bay Area was planning to attend the concert. I made plans to have him over for dinner before the show, (an admittedly bland and insipid chicken spread), and bunk out in the kids' room after the concert. Around 6 PM, my neighbors began their usual parade of checking in with me - making sure that I had the same number of children at the end of the week as when I started on Monday, making sure that our weekend soccer plans were under control and checking to see just who the heck MG has over her house for dinner. Knowing that my neighbors would be interested in knowing just where I met this person, (work, barangrill, etc), I prefaced the introduction with: "this is one of my Joni friends." Without fail, they all said: "From the Joni list? Eeewhhh!" and rolled their eyes. As they do each and every time I mention something from the list that I find so funny or so profound or so wonderful or so witty that I cannot keep it to myself. A misunderstood group to say the least. (:-D MG BTW, ani was quite good. It was a testament to her performance that I only slept through 15 minutes of it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:07:02 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Tigers lost and found From: "morten feiring" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1988 01:08:18 +0200 It's been a couple of weeks now since we installed internet connection on our PC here at home. Since then there's been some late night lurking on my part. As the rest of the family has entered dreamland, I've enjoyed JMDL. But now it's time to join in on the fun again, because I want to tell you a little story: Our cat, whose name is Tigergutt in norwegian, that's something like Tiger kid or Tiger boy in english - is a complete lookalike to Joni's Tiger on the cover painting on TTT. The black and grey tiger stripes are the same, the white pawns and the white chest - everything fits! When proudly presenting TTT to them, my wife and kids immediately agreed to that. Our tiger cat is one year old and the tiger name he's had from day one. This is of course nothing special, because many many cats have these tiger looks. That again brings me further in my story: Some weeks before TTT, our tiger disappeared suddenly. Days went by and no tiger was returning home. The children missed him very much (the parents too). Then my wife had a call from a friend: A cat that looked very much like ours had turned up at their place, the same day my wife had visited her. Aha we thought, it might have jumped into the car in some way, and jumped out unnoticed upon arriving at her friends place. My wife went to check this out and yes, it certainly was our tiger! But: coming home the children were strongly in doubt: In many ways it was our cat, but something didn't fit: They argued that this tiger had a different personality than our tiger. And folks, a couple of days later the original tiger turned up! Suddenly there were two tigers in our home. I phoned the local newspaper, they ran a little story on the two tigers, and the very same morning it was in the paper, a very happy grandmother was on the phone and soon the mistaken tiger was back home too! This is why I recognize in a special way the feeling of loss in "Man from Mars" !! Good night to you all Sweet dreams Morten ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:27:31 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: JMDL - a misunderstood lot, (NJC) At 10:02 AM 10/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Without fail, they all said: "From the Joni list? Eeewhhh!" and rolled their >eyes. As they do each and every time I mention something from the list >that I find so funny or so profound or so wonderful or so witty that I >cannot keep it to myself. > I get the same response from friends and family!! Glad to see I'm not alone. >A misunderstood group to say the least. (:-D I think so too. > >BTW, ani was quite good. It was a testament to her performance that I >only slept through 15 minutes of it! Poor MG! Isn't it terrible when you work and run around with kids, pets, etc that when you finally get to do something you want to do you end up sooo relaxed that you snooze! Gee ... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:40:11 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Musician Magazine I seem to recall someone mentioning a great article on Joni in the recent Musician Magazine. I've called all over this town trying to find a copy and not even Barnes and Noble carries it. Can someone tell me if I've got my infomation right and/or if they could secure me a copy? Thank you! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:51:00 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: finger noise In a message dated 98-10-16 11:51:19 EDT, you write: << And don't get me started on that screeching sound of the fingers sliding up the frets. Reminds me of the dentist's drill... >> well.....i find myself feeling different here. i like hearing joni's fingers move around the fret board. in the beginning of A Strange Boy you can hear what i'm trying to say, and i know it is only an opinion. the sound is very warm to me, and intimate. of course the whole song is a warm and intimate song....i gave him power over me.... but for me, hearing joni's fingers move across the strings adds to the character of the song. when i listen to it alone in my car, i can imagine being in the same room watching her play. it almost brings as much to mind as a pleasant aromoa can. you know like the smell of a christmas tree or cookies baking or fresh spring air. it just helps heighten the closeness of her music....for me. pj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:57:02 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Joe, I share many of your concerns, and I think I'd be inclined to pass on the tour, were it anyone but Joni. Maybe 5 or so years ago (does anyone remember exactly when it was?), the Troubadours of Folk show was booked at the Meriwether Post Pavilion; one of the participants in the concert was Joni Mitchell. I stood in line at Ticketmaster to scarf up the best available ticket for that, and as I recall the tour wasn't cheap. There were lots and lots of performers; Joni might get 2 or 3 songs, I figured. But I was psyched: Joni in concert, at last! Alas, Joni canceled. I'm incredibly glad she's doing this tour. As someone on the JMDL (I can't remember who you were, but thanks) mentioned not long after the tour was announced, being part of the Dylan tour is probably attractive to Joni because all the booking, travel and other tour arrangements are presumably taken care of. I'm afraid that if we were waiting for a Joni Only tour it might be an endless wait. I'm glad to settle for whatever's coming. We also got $40-plus-$4-service-charge seats on the floor (17th row) in College Park. I'm not especially excited about Dylan, but I'm willing to see what happens. All things considered, I'd rather see Joni at the Barns at Wolftrap, a terrific little place with perhaps 350 seats...but until that's in the cards, I'll take Joni and Bob in an arena. I'm not proud. Cheerz, Janet, still wondering how we can smuggle the cat named after Joni into the concert At 05:06 AM 10/19/98 -0700, Joe wrote: > >Am I the only one who is disappointed in Joni's tour arrangements? >First, she is basically the opening act for Bob Dylan. In other >words, for the price of $60 (insane!) you can hear Joni play for >probably an hour and fifteen minutes (maximum). For $60! That's far >too much money, especially for Bob Dylan. His shows are horrible (in >my opinion). I would love to see Joni again in Atlanta but I feel >taken advantage of with the price of the tickets, the lack of time >Joni will actually spend on the stage, and ticket scaplers with their >evil price fixing. > >I think we're going to go to a play and a nice dinner instead. > >I'm not posting this to make anyone angry but I truly feel like I >would be taken advantage of if I gave in to this kind of thing. Have >I just gone over the edge in anti-consumerism? Does anyone else feel >this way? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:17:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Joe wrote: >Am I the only one who is disappointed in Joni's tour arrangements? >First, she is basically the opening act for Bob Dylan. In other >words, for the price of $60 (insane!) you can hear Joni play for >probably an hour and fifteen minutes (maximum). For $60! That's far >too much money, especially for Bob Dylan Here's the way I look at it (I'm a great rationalizer): Lots of us often spend $60 for stuff that may not pan out but that doesn't stop us from doing those things in the future. Dinner for two at a decent place costs about $60.00. What if the food turns out to be mediocre and the service horrible? Would you never dine out again? A day at Disneyland for one adult runs around $60.00 when you factor in the food for the day and maybe a small souvenir. What is it rains the day you go or your favorite attraction is closed? Does that mean you will never go to Disneyland again? Two tickets, parking and drink minimums to see someone of far less stature than Joni and Bob would run you at least $60.00. Does that mean you'll never go see live music again? And unlike restaurants, Disneyland and live music, seeing Joni live in concert is not something that is always there to experience. Don't talk yourself out of it before it's even happened. It's worth the $60 bucks alone to see her and experience even 30 minutes of her music, regardless of the seat or the venue. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:48:33 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: That Dotty Joni The Cat Lady ... Well I read that review of TTT, and I'm pretty steamed! "Dotty cat lady" indeed! I mean, just because ... one, Joni chooses a feline title for her album ... two, appears with one of her cats in portrait on the cover ... three, includes all her cats in the art direction ... four, paints a cat on the CD ... five, writes the most beautiful song on the album about one of her cats ... six, croons "nice kitty kitty" in another song that's not even about cats ... say wait a minute, that Joni Mitchell, she's pretty dotty. ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:33:32 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Just think about it this way: you are seeing SIQUOMB herself, and that may be the only time you could see her. And if she came even close to this farm country, I would be willing to shell out at least $100 to see her, even if she's playing with someone else. NP-A Chair In The Sky At 5:06 AM -0700 10/19/98, joe horne wrote: >Am I the only one who is disappointed in Joni's tour arrangements? >First, she is basically the opening act for Bob Dylan. In other >words, for the price of $60 (insane!) you can hear Joni play for >probably an hour and fifteen minutes (maximum). For $60! That's far >too much money, especially for Bob Dylan. His shows are horrible (in >my opinion). I would love to see Joni again in Atlanta but I feel >taken advantage of with the price of the tickets, the lack of time >Joni will actually spend on the stage, and ticket scaplers with their >evil price fixing. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:52:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements I'm disappointed too-she aint coming anywhere near the UK. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:57:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC; CARLY The is a big colour photo of Carly on the front of The Independent today. Unfortunatelly she is singing Happy Birthday to Gerry Adams who is in the US rasing money for SinnFein/IRA. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:03:40 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Finally got TTT in NZ! and Man From Mars poll.....which version is better? In a message dated 10/16/98 9:45:50PM, kakkib@att.net writes: << From what I've seen here, everyone who has heard the earlier Grace of My Heart version, including myself, prefers it to the TTT synth version. >> I've never heard the earlier version; however, as I type this, I''ve got Kristen Vigard's version playing - and I love it! What a gorgeous voice, reminds me a bit of Lucinda Williams. I gather she's done one album; anyone heard it/got it? Azeem in London NP: since I started typing I've moved on: David Baerwald, "Hello Mary". I'm doing a tape for a friend... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:42:14 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements I'd have to agree with Kakki. Money you'll always have to deal with, but seeing an artist you love won't last forever. Actually, $60 is not too bad for both Joni and Bob- $30 each. If she plays an hour, that's like $.50 a minute. Heck, I just paid $17 to go to a Xena convention, $60 for some designer jeans on sale, and was once dragged to a Sheryl Crow concert where, even though I got in free, felt gypped out of 2 hours of my life. ...and, most importantly, I remember someone telling me their father's friend passed up a Jimi Hendrix concert because it was too expensive. A 1970 concert. - -jan >Don't talk yourself out of it before it's even happened. It's worth the $60 >bucks alone to see her and experience even 30 minutes of her music, >regardless of the seat or the venue. > >Kakki > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 00:31:02 +0100 From: "philipf" Subject: Re: Joni Radio Play > >Marsha wrote: > >>She says we should all urge our ProgA stations to play CCofLove Late night jock Mike Maloney here on RTE has been playing Man From Mars almost nightly as a result of my requests. Wally, how am I doing, do I get a raise ? Philip - - the hit man ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:33:38 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and drummers In a message dated 10/19/98 2:43:36 AM, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk wrote: >Stewart Copeland's drumming is propably too tight and busy to work with a >lot of Joni's songs - the more understated, relaxed feel of BB's drums is >just right for TTT. But imagine what SC could do with tracks like Black >Crow! Talk To Me! Or even something slower, but with plenty of chances for >off beat polyrhythmic stuff, maybe Turbulent Indigo? I don't know if the >personalities or egos would clash, but Joni with Stewart Copeland could >produce some wonderful music. I say put joni together with janet weiss who's an awesome drummer who plays in quasi, sleater-kinney, and backs up elliott smith on his tours. she's one of my all time favorite drummers. she's a portlander and she's absoulutely beautiful when she plays. or put joni together with dave grohl who has this really hard type of drumming that brought alot to nirvana and is amazing on all the foo fighters stuff. i like lead balloon okay, i just don't think it's a rocker. - -mariana NP: elliott smith bootleg from atlanta 9/28/98 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:53:38 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Jane Siberry Barbara wrote - "oh my my' is indeed an incredible piece of music. and i think rob was asking about the next sib purchase - the song is from 'maria', which is second only to 'when i was a boy' for me. and i love jane's newletters! she quotes a message someone sent her that i adore: "in the future, when you get too busy to write the newletters yourself, please keep writing them yourself." (she responds, 'exactly'). joni is certainly aware of jane. i believe that they did a charity book signing with leonard cohen (something to do with canadian musicians). joni can also be spotted in a jane siberry documentary very briefly. jane talks about one of her music videos with joni standing next to her sucking on a cigarette and making a brief comment (something like, "cows, eh?"). jane can also be spotted in the audience at the joni much music intimate & interactive show a few years back. i tried asking jane about the joni connection, but never got an answer on that one (not to my least surprise - - - musicians seem to often resist speaking about their favorites/'influences')" Barb, I'm sure Joni knows exactly who Jane is. I have a video made in the 80's filmed in Toronto called "Tears Are Not Enough". It is the Canadian version of "We Are the World". It was a collection of Canadian artists all making a record together - it was directed by David Foster. Joni and Jane at one point are sitting together, talking and smiling away. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:06:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Cost of Joni Somebody suggested something to me recently regarding examining the cost of things. I just had to share it, at the risk of being attacked: Does it really cost too much? Or can you just not afford it? - -- Phyliss, ducking pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:32:48 -0400 From: Jeff & Vicki Harris Subject: Now I'll really believe it! I've got the tickets! Suite 141, The Palace at Auburn Hills, Detroit, October 28. It's my first time to see Joni in person...ever! The seats weren't exactly what we were promised, and my husband's work schedule has gotten changed (due to a co-worker's pregnancy) leaving us very little time before and after the show, but I am thrilled to have this chance to see Joni. I'll look for the JMDL Banner for my Detroit Joni-pals. I'm not sure where suite 141 is, but I'll be the one in the JMDL denim shirt with the really great husband who turned himself inside-out to make this happen for me. :>) Vicki n.p. me, humming happy tunes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:56:33 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements - ---------- > From: Kakki > To: joe horne ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements > Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:17 PM > > Joe wrote: > > >Am I the only one who is disappointed in Joni's tour arrangements? > And unlike restaurants, Disneyland and live music, seeing Joni live in > concert is not something that is always there to experience. > > Don't talk yourself out of it before it's even happened. It's worth the $60 > bucks alone to see her and experience even 30 minutes of her music, > regardless of the seat or the venue. > > Kakki > I too agree! I haven't seen Joni live in 15 years. With her post polio syndrome I never thought I'd ever get another chance. I'm driving from Cleveland to Toronto to see her. This most likely will be the last time I do see her. I love the whole idea that I will see her perform in her native country! It's only money! After all isn't that what we spend our time busting our butts for? Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:17:20 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Dave Alvin was picked up by Joni and Bob Hi concert goers, I just heard that Dave Alvin from the Blasters is also appearing with Joni and Bob. This was just annonced today. Indy, Detroit and Chicago. jody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:28:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Birthday List Hello Joni Fans everywhere. THIS WILL BE MY FINAL ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE GENERAL LIST ABOUT THE JONI BIRTHDAY CARD LIST. PLEASE RESPOND!!!!! I have receive quite a few more people in the last 24 hours, and this is your absolute FINAL chance (Claud I got you). It is NOT necessary to copy and portion of my messages back to me THANK YOU. Do post your name, address, and email address in the body of an email and send it to birthday@jmdl.com. Presto chango, somehow through the magic of modern science it ends up in my mail box and you are added officially to the list (as it were/was/do be). This is a complete list of everyone I have at this point 10:20pm central time 10-19-98: 3bunas@accessatlanta.com adelphot@bga.com amadden@bconnex.net artwear@ncweb.com Ashara@aol.com AzeemAK@aol.com bamm_bamm@juno.com barbearuh@erols.com Barrylauri@aol.com BH1248@aol.com Bmcd@aol.com bokonon@texas.net briangross@rocketmail.com catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk Charstarl@aol.com codeb@duncanmccachen.com dduncan@ipa.net Denisongs@aol.com dlawson@westnet.com Dmascall@aol.com docnurse@voy.net donbvs@lightspeed.net dougoram@mail Drewdix@aol.com dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net evian@sk.sympatico.ca Fluke_s@email.msn.com FredNow@aol.com gerlad@mb.sympatico.ca Gertus@aol.com GIBBS.PHILLIP@a1.rio.maricopa.e ginny@anv.net ginny@anv.net> h.gill@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Harpua@revealed.net haw@ph.ed.ac.uk hz@famelon.demon.co.uk ignatzmouse2@yahoo.com j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi JAWebster2@aol.com jilllinn@hotmail.com jlamadoo@one.net jml@amweaver.com johnsonjs@earthlink.net julie@isosys.com jzw@visint.com kakkib@att.net Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com kbarnicle@ensr.com KCooper984@aol.com kg@ibm.net les@jmdl.com louis.lynch@wonderware.com-- LRFye@aol.com luvart@snet.net M.Russell@iaea.org Marilune@aol.com Mark-n-Travis@worldnet.att.net megg56@yahoo.com messling@enter.net MGV1@valley-media.com MHart16164@aol.com michaelb@coolgold.com.au michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net millers@albany.net naturegirrrl@hotmail.com notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu p.headon@net.ntl.com philipf@tinet.ie phy6pgk@phys-irc.novell.leeds.a PitassiM@WEAC.org PMcfad@aol.com pward@lightspeed.net queenaim@email.msn.com rkb200@is5.nyu.edu rnusca@globalserve.net Robbert@vansprang.demon.nl rwalker@erinet.com scam@freeway.net Seanapper@aol.com skindeep@hdo.net slarty@total.net sp@olympus.net steve@psitech.com> stevem@cruzio.com TerryM2442@aol.com treadmill@centuryinter.net twomey@clubi.ie wallyb@well.com Wallykai@interserver.com.ar whitlock@karmanos.org whuehn@stud.uni-goettingen.de WirlyPearl@aol.com wowpub@quake.net xhohx@earthlink.net yarn@cyberenet.net I will be sending all entries to Wally when I get home from work tomorrow night (which might be kinda late) so ACT NOW or forever hold your peace/piece. You could already be a winner!!!! Best wishes, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:26:21 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Re: Disappointed with Joni's tour arrangements Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:48:25 -0500 From: Scott and Jody To: "joni@smoe.org" References: 1 I have to agree with Kakki- > Dinner for two at a decent place costs about $60.00. What if the food turns > out to be mediocre and the service horrible? Would you never dine out > again? > Not to mention Disneyland. My first and only Joni concert was well over 20 years ago. Not even halfway through, the venue was completely flooded. There was so much rain coming down, they had to cancel. Back then , I probably spent 30 bucks to see half a show....it was worth it. Now I'm going to see Joni at the United Center. If it rains...no big deal unless of course there's a huge power outage due to rainstorms. What's the worse than can happen? Joni and Bob breakout their accoustic guitars- I'd be happy with that! jody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:52:18 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: TTT Hi all you Aussie listers especially. Mt.Druitt HMV in Sydney had 5 copies of TTT and I've got one now. Just thought you might like to know. Cheers np TTT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 22:56:16 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: The upcoming tour- 3rd act added Hi everyone, Yesterday in L.A., Joni began four days of rehearsals for her upcoming eleven date tour sharing the bill with Bob Dylan (The 3rd act for all the shows from Minneapolis through Atlanta will be Dave Alvin & The Guilty Men). Rehearsals with her band continue through Wednesday (the 21st), and once again, Joni is joined by Larry Klein on bass, Greg Liesz on guitar, and Brian Blade on drums, but substituting for Mark Isham on trumpet this time out will be Chris Botti. The first show is Friday in Minneapolis. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:50:36 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Random Notes (SJC) Bob M. wrote: >Got my tickets for 11/07 Atlanta show, on the floor, >will be the first time to see Joni live! Yay! >The rest of this is "NJC" for the benefit of scrollers and deleters... I'm jealous, Bob. Looks like I won't be able to attend any shows this time around. Pardon me for resurrecting a dead horse but I just don't get the concept of specifying NJC in the subject line. Is it for non-digest subscribers who block email that includes NJC? If so, you don't know what you're missing! Although I've complained about a lack of Joni content in the past I personally prefer the option of seeing what the fuss is all about before scrolling down or deleting. After all it only takes a few extra seconds. One would think people interested in only JC who see a subject line like Random Notes, Buffy Sainte-Marie, or For Matt would immediately realize that it was NJC and quickly scroll or delete. And what ever happened to SJC anyway? I have noticed that the number of posts has diminished significantly since I left town and unsubscribed last July (I was receiving several digests per day and worried that I'd return to hundreds, perhaps thousands.) Now that Joni has finally released her long awaited album and I've resubscribed, often days go by before I receive a digest. What gives? Did I miss a NJC catfight that soured the list? Taming The Tiger is slowly becoming my favorite Joni album of all time. I now feel free to tell all that I was disappointed after the first few listens. But that often happens to me when confronted with a work of such unconventional artistry. Love Puts On A New Face & Stay In Touch make me melt! The title track echoes in my brain all day & night. I simply love that line, *Nice kitty kitty*. And I'm even starting to like Lead Balloon... I'm so glad to hear The Crazy Cries Of Love is getting so much airplay! That was the one that immediately hooked me. Thanks for that tidbit, Marsha. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:06:07 EDT From: Tunajon@aol.com Subject: atlanta Hi, A few thoughts about the Atlanta fiasco....the previously posted advice about a seating chart available through the ticketbastard web site is incorrect to the best of my knowledge - all tm has is a map for Grant Field at Georgia Tech, and not Alexander Memorial Coliseum. I did manage to get $60.00 seats just after 10 am (hint,hint for next time - I called at 9:55 and got thru to a person at 9:57 and was informed that tix won't got on sale until 10 am...I stalled the fellow by asking irrelevant questions about ficticious show for 2 minutes and then got the seats). My seats are section 1 row DD, which was described as the 1st padded seats in the risers just above the floor. I mention this only to offer a point of reference to those trying to make sense of the map at http://www.mediacity.com/%7Ecsuppes/NCAA/ACC/GeorgiaTech/seatsBB.htm I'm assuming section 4 is behind the stage, although even that is a bit curious, since the folks who got the $40 seats just after 10 also got section 1 but a bit higher up, which according to the map may be semi-side stage. The alternative is equally strange - If we all got tix within the first few moments, but are on the opposite side of the colisuem.......Anyone with any insight into this is welcome to shed some light......How strange that Dylan, who once released bootleg-available-only material so as to capitalize on his songs while locking the bootlegger-second-only-in-scumness-to-scalpers (That is - specifically those bootleggers who SELL and not TRADE music) out of the loop, and whose road crew methodically and obsessively monitor the crowds for tapers (i know this for a fact - worked security for him on the West Coast) - will allow his concert tickets to be sold in such a pathetic,unfair, and highly discriminatory(only the rich get the best seats)manner. The times they done changed. I'm still super excited, but am equally temporarily dismayed. Jonathan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #425 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?