From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #424 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, October 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 424 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Buffy Sainte-Marie Discussion Room ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Atlanta Tickets [IVPAUL42@aol.com] The Last Waltz on UK TV [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Matt (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: for Matt (NJC) ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Random Notes [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Atlanta Concert Ticket [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Plug Of The Week #42 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] joni & mingus, joni & jane [BarBearUh ] Re: trashing me (NJC) [BarBearUh ] Re: Matt (NJC) [Mark or Travis ] TTT purchases [Bmcd@aol.com] Testing Address [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Psycho Producer! [Michael Paz ] Musician Mag [Michael Paz ] saxophone voice? JC (superstar) [Helen Gill ] Re: saxophone voice? JC (superstar) [Janet Hess ] BIRTHDAY MASSAGES-LAST CHANCE-******* [Michael Paz ] Re: TTT & Minneapolis show [Bounced Message ] suggestion for digestion (njc) [Bounced Message ] Re: Concert ticket in Atlanta [SChininis@aol.com] Reviewing The Tiger/matthew shepard's killers...(non music related) [pswm] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 03:38:19 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: The Buffy Sainte-Marie Discussion Room This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDFA48.BFE83F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a brand new discussion group that every Joni fan should visit. Buffy Sainte-Marie is a kindred spirit. E.T. http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/h/19857/Post - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDFA48.BFE83F20 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="The Buffy Sainte-Marie Discussion Room.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="The Buffy Sainte-Marie Discussion Room.url" [InternetShortcut] URL=http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/h/19857/Post Modified=404E35A069FABD0184 - ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDFA48.BFE83F20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:35:58 EDT From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Re: Matt (NJC) Robert H. wrote: "So many newspaper and magazine articles are speaking about Matthew Shepard as if he were a lesson to be learned, or an opportunity for legislation. God damn it, he was nothing of the kind - he was a person, and like all of us, he wanted to continue being a person." Thank you for writing this, Roberto. I have been following the news on this horrible event from the beginning, feeling outrage when reading quotes from one of the alleged murderers' girlfriend, from one of their fathers ("had this been a heterosexual these two boys decided to take out and rob, this never would have made the national news"), and from the police ("we feel robbery was the primary motive, but he was also singled out because he was gay..."). Robbery was the primary motive? For a pair of boots and a little cash? Robbery involves bashing in someone's head and tying them to a fence? More anger. I felt outrage at that Baptist church "pastor" and members spewing out their excrement at the funeral from across the street. All I felt was anger, more and more anger. Then, yesterday I read a quote from Matt's father: "We should try to remember that because Matt's last few minutes of consciousness on Earth might have been hell, his family and friends want more than ever to say their farewells to him in a peaceful, dignified and loving manner." "...his last few minutes of consciousness on Earth..." That thought stopped me in my tracks. Before I read that, Matt could have been anybody. He was a name underneath a little picture in the paper. He was an example of how violent some members of our society can be toward gay men and lesbians. An example of how wretched and hateful some people's religious beliefs and actions can be. But when I read his father's quote, I felt a bit of shame because I realized it's not about all of that at all; it's about Matt, a human being who was robbed of his life. You're right, Roberto, Matt was a person. It's so easy to overlook that. Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:38:37 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Atlanta Tickets In a message dated 10/17/98 2:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Barrylauri@aol.com writes: << Am I the only one who had a problem getting seats to this show??? And, how could 1000 seats be sold in less than 30 minutes???? >> I also had a real hard time getting through to Ticketbastard. The seat I got is probably not so great. I also spent an hour looking for a seating chart! This is the best chart I could find, if anyone has a better one please contact me. It is not clear where the stage will be. http://www.mediacity.com/~csuppes/NCAA/ACC/GeorgiaTech/seatsBB.htm Thanks, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:43:59 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Atlanta Concert Tickets Sold Out Barry mentioned he couldn't understand how 1,000 floor seats could be sold out in 30 minutes. I had the same problem in Toronto. I got through to Ticketmaster after 10 minutes and also had to settle for the second level @ $66.50 per ticket! It's really annoying - obviously someone is holding back large numbers of seats - it hardly seems fair! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:43:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Tickets In a message dated 10/18/98 7:39:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MP123A321@aol.com writes: << I also spent an hour looking for a seating chart! This is the best chart I could find, if anyone has a better one please contact me. It is not clear where the stage will be. >> I found a seating chart fairly easily through the Ticketmaster site. There are options for the arena's setup and one is for concerts. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:09:36 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: The Last Waltz on UK TV Hi, Just to alert all UK JMDLers that Scorsese's "The Last Waltz" will be shown on Channel 4 next Friday at 12.55am. It features Joni, Dylan, The Band, Young etc. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:10:34 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Matt (NJC) Roberto: > God damn it, he was nothing of the kind - he was a person, and like all of us, he wanted to continue being a person. Neil in Seattle: > You're right, Roberto, Matt was a person. > It's so easy to overlook that. Thank you both for these wise words. I've been at a loss in trying to express my feelings of sadness and anger over Matt's senseless death. Finally today, I am able to cry. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:18:31 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: for Matt (NJC) At 01:16 PM 10/17/98 EDT, Ashara wrote: >I believe this to be true. If we all took responsibility to do everything in >our power to prevent hatred of any kind, this world just might be a better >place to exist in. The story that you told about Reena Verk's grandmother >embracing the parents of her granddaughter's killers outside the courtroom, is >an incredible example of this. Ashara and Robert, I finally read through a half a weeks worth of news on Matthew Shephard this morning, and I glanced up at my sweet sons as they played with their Legos. And although I appreciate what Ashara and Roberto are saying here, and I agree with it on a macro level---- that's it's a healthy way to think---but, there is a part of me.....And I know this sounds terrible, but if this heinous atrocity happened to one of my sons--I would feel nothing but revenge. I can not even write down what I would find a way to do to these horrendous idiots. -JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:06:25 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Random Notes Just a couple of notes before I go play tennis on this gorgeous Sunday... 1. Got my tickets for 11/07 Atlanta show, on the floor, will be the first time to see Joni live! Yay! The rest of this is "NJC" for the benefit of scrollers and deleters... 2. Went to a local Blues club in town and caught "Michael Hill's Blues Mob". I had one of their earliest discs and enjoyed their sound, so we went to check 'em out live. Wow! They have a new disc out "New York State of Blues" that I'll get next payday. Their music is blues, to be sure, but also contains tinges of R'n'R as well - Hill's influences were Hendrix and Sly Stone as well as the great Bluesmasters. The band is from South Bronx, so lyrically their songs tend to be more contemporary and different than the basic "down on your luck" stuff that one hears most often. If you get a chance to hear them live, don't miss them - they put on a whale of a show! 3. I didn't jump into the "Disney World/Green Apple" thread (mostly because others stated my opinion in an eloquent way) but it did bring to mind a Joni lyric..."I'm losin' my taste for fruit" :-D Catch y'all later, Bob M. in SC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: Atlanta Concert Ticket Barrylauri@aol.com wrote: >>I just had the most frustrating morning trying to get tickets to the jmshow at Georgia Tech. At l0 a.m. After a short pause, I purchased the tickets but was livid that I had to settle for second best!!! Am I the only one who had a problem getting seats to this show??? And,how could 1000 seats be sold in less than 30 minutes????<< You may want to keep an eye open at bobdylan.com. Dylan regularly reserves top seats to be made available to his fans through this ticket service. Generally, they go on sale after the ticket release and are carried out by mail order. I've heard raves about the service in the past. Unfortunately, as of today, the Atlanta date still has not been posted. There is also a note saying later dates in November may not be offered or something to that effect. I e-mailed the site over the weekend but haven't gotten a response yet. But it is definitely worth watching. I covered myself just in case with a last minute scramble to a Publix Ticketmaster and got row R with first draw in the lottery. But the bobdylan.com route should prove better if they make them available. Twould be nice if Joni and Wally could get together on a similar ticket reserve venture. Hint hint. :) Robert np: Van Morrison "Dark Knight of the Soul" == Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:02:35 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #42 Hi there, You just can't get enough of good music, can you..? Then you should try: Allan Thomas - The Island (Black Bamboo Records) Coconut Culture (Black Bamboo Records) These are the two latest releases by one of my favourite Hawaiian singer/songwriters (Pamela Polland being the other!). "The Island" is produced by Stephen Barncard and features among others Michael Ruff, Russell Ferrante and Valerie Carter. Much of the album draws it's inspiration from the beauty and tranquillity of the Hawaiian islands. A number of the songs are concerned with other themes, like a world spinning out of control, secret affairs, windsurfing and visions of global brotherhood. "Coconut Culture" is Allan Thomas' latest release, produced by Mike Shipley (Joni Mitchell, Cars, Queen etc) and features among others a duet vocal with Graham Nash on the song "The Navigator" ( a song possibly ready for inclusion on CSN's next album), Michael Ruff and Rick Rosas (Joe Walsh, Neil Young). If you're into singer/songwriters like CSN, Jackson Browne, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor and others, you'll love these records. Copies can be found at: Allan Thomas PO Box 785 Hanelei HI 96714 U.S.A. email: allant@aloha.net Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:41:22 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Re: my duplicated posts - every message sent twice (NJC) I've just been told by AOL that this is a problem they're aware of and are working on, the dear, dear people. However, they can't give me a clear idea of when - so for the time being you'll have to bear (or ignore, or delete ) my doubled messages. At least most are short. Belated birthday greetings to Michael Yarborough! David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:55:49 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Joni Radio Play "Ripley" (our Sarah the DJ at 98.7 here in Knoxville) says hello to everyone, and she is trying to arrange to get to the Atlanta Joni show. She asked that I tell all list members that the Gavin report, which tracks radio play for progressive adult stations, indicates that Joni's CCofLove was played over 200 times across the country last week, and this is an exceptional amount of play for her, and places her in the top 10 of new releases in that category. She says we should all urge our ProgA stations to play CCofLove as much as we can, as it really makes a difference. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:08:30 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: joni & mingus, joni & jane Mark Domyancich wrote: > > You know, I'm really surprized that Joni hasn't brought back any stuff from > Mingus in her recent concerts, considering most of her tunes and the covers > she has done are mostly jazzy. I would piss my pants if I heard her do God > Must Be A Boogie Man or The Dry Cleaner! > > Generally speaking, the songs off of Mingus aren't too terribly hard to > play or sing (Except The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey). Maybe the meaning has > been lost in them. > > Any comments? i'd love to hear some mingus! i find it curious that she doesn't do any of this work, either - it seems the world would be ready for it now. and 'god must be...' went over very well at the '79 shows it seems. i would venture to guess that some of this stuff would be too difficult for her to sing live now. although not necessarily my favorite joni, i think her singing is at its apex on that album. check out 'chair in the sky' - probably one of the most diffiult things she's ever done vocally. she might not have the range to do 'dry cleaner' now, though it could be easily altered and still be fabulous. i'd LOVE to hear it live, and it would be so fun! Azeem wrote: > digesting the contents of a weird and wonderful newsletter > from Jane Siberry - incidentally, I don't remember Joni ever namechecking > Siberry. I hope she's aware of Sib, as she's everything a great artist should > be: gifted, mercurial, idiosyncratic, totally independent (she runs Sheeba > records literally single-handed) and inspirational. I've probably said this > before, but "Oh My My" is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music I've > ever heard. A spiritual path set to music. Peace... 'oh my my' is indeed an incredible piece of music. and i think rob was asking about the next sib purchase - the song is from 'maria', which is second only to 'when i was a boy' for me. and i love jane's newletters! she quotes a message someone sent her that i adore: "in the future, when you get too busy to write the newletters yourself, please keep writing them yourself." (she responds, 'exactly'). joni is certainly aware of jane. i believe that they did a charity book signing with leonard cohen (something to do with canadian musicians). joni can also be spotted in a jane siberry documentary very briefly. jane talks about one of her music videos with joni standing next to her sucking on a cigarette and making a brief comment (something like, "cows, eh?"). jane can also be spotted in the audience at the joni much music intimate & interactive show a few years back. i tried asking jane about the joni connection, but never got an answer on that one (not to my least surprise - - musicians seem to often resist speaking about their favorites/'influences'). speaking of 'influences'... one thing that's been bugging me a little is joni's attitude about 'imitators'. why her 'imitators' get airplay and she doesn't. there's a lack of logic in her arguments. people touted as the 'new joni mitchell' (and BTW, although i read TONS of music journalism, i've never once seen someone given this description) are obviously nowhere near being in her league. so then, they really can't be imitators! the only person that ever reminds me heavily of joni is jane siberry, and she sure as hell doesn't get any airplay! and, she is not an imitator - she's got her own thing. i hear bits of kate bush & laurie anderson & van morrison in her work, plus all that janeness that is uniquely jane. sarah mclachlan often comes up as one of the 'imitators'. i actually hear more kate & peter gabriel in her work than joni. she's even said herself that she thinks she was listening to kate too much when she made her first album. many of those who cite joni as a major influence do not display that influence on their sleeve - prince? led zeppelin? sting? (yes, mixing jazz in, but doesn't really sound like joan) seal? madonna? morrisette? peter gabriel? morrissey? - none of them are joni imitators. how often do we use other artists to describe what someone is like? it's difficult to describe sound - we don't have as many adjectives as the visual to use. we can't say her voice is rather round and red, with edges, about so tall and so wide. the vocabulary we use is comparitive sounds - who they sound a little like - this musician meets that musician with some of this genre thrown in. so saying a song has a little joni thang about it doesn't make a musician an imitator - it's just the best way someone has of describing something. and of course, it's all subjective! it's not that i don't understand joni's frustration with the music industry, and basically, society as a whole. but she can't control what people are listening to, and just because people are willing to listen to sarah and paula and jewel doesn't mean they are willing to listen to joni and jane. yeah, i'd like to see the promotion, so at least those who like to be spoon fed might eat well, but i'd also like people to drive smaller cars, not shop in malls & box stores, not be enamoured with special efx films & violent vacant storytelling, not base their economics on the stock market, and not do all sorts of other lazy convenient things that are laying america to waste. the problem is not just the music industry - we all have a stake in it. another rant. it was just supposed to be a short and sweet thing about mingus and jane... just can't seem to help myself. barbara np: kate bush b-sides & remixes from a jmdler ('hounds of love' is way cool!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:23:39 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: trashing me (NJC) well, first of all, thanks to those of you that ran so quickly to defend me. a lot of you said some very nice things about me & i want you to know it's appreciated. almost made me want to behave badly ;->! Waltzenfree wrote: > > Well I can see how easy it is to misconstrue a post. > My "trashing" comment was meant in a light hearted > way. i laughed myself when i read it! i thought it was intended light heartedly and was then surprised by the rally-to-my-defense-posts (though touched by them). i just ordered some back issues of canadian musician mag 'cause they had some lanois stuff i was interested in; while there, noticed a joni article from 1986. i've never seen any issues of this magazine, so can't recommend or not, but here's the URL for those interested: http://www.canadianmusician.com/cmback.htm barbara np: kate, bsides & remixes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:11:17 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Matt (NJC) LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > Roberto: > > > God damn it, he was nothing of the kind - he was a person, and like all of > us, he wanted to continue being a person. > > Neil in Seattle: > > > You're right, Roberto, Matt was a person. > > It's so easy to overlook that. > > Thank you both for these wise words. I've been at a loss in trying to express > my feelings of sadness and anger over Matt's senseless death. Finally today, > I am able to cry. > > Lori > San Antonio After reading Roberto & Eric & Lori's posts about Matt I have to admit I have begun to feel ashamed of the rather self-centered post I sent on this subject. Certainly the family's pain at this loss of their loved one is the most important thing here. I apologize to all of you. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:52:41 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: TTT purchases I was in our local independently owned CD store today, Twist and Shout, and saw in a "memo" from them that week ending 10/11 sales for TTT ranked 8 out of top 30 Yeah 8th. I was pleased. This is a very popular store, always busy. Also last week at Tower they had a much bigger display with a cardboard cutout of joni painting the cover and then off to the top left a painter's palette with lots of globbed on colors and a paint brush. Today my folks were over so I put on My Best to You to see if they recognized it (they're in their later 60's), they didn't but said Who is this? This is beautiful. So when I told them who it was, that barely registered (although I'd think they'd know I was a huge joni fan) but they had surely heard of Sons of the Pioneers. Just talking. Karen Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 11:00:00 +0000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Testing Address Just testing to see if my ass is blue. Vanessa. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:49:51 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Psycho Producer! Jim wrote: "Anyway, in my opinion, I'd put Stewart Copeland on this one track and take away Joni's cigarettes away for about 20 minutes. When she's ready to snap, roll tape on "Lead Balloon"! (!!!!!) " Hi Jim- I enjoyed your post. Boy you are one of those sadistic producers aren't you. Taking the old girls ciggies away would go over like a ... I'd still like to hear that track though. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:00:45 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Musician Mag Hello All- Just got back from a weekend of camping with the Paz Kids. Mississippi or that campground might never be the same. Julian didn't take to the sleeping in a tent part to well. He kept repeating bye bye home over and over. It took him a long time to go to sleep, but blessfully did before tooo long. He was the first one in the car today when it was time to come home + he crashed early tonight after arriving home. Hmmmmm! Anyways, came back to find an interview with the infamous Robert Doerschuk in the new Musician Magazine. There is a fabulous picture of her in there that I have to get printed to some other format. Best, michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:18:39 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: saxophone voice? JC (superstar) a dear friend of mine requested to hear just one song from TTT. So I chose my very fave Harlem in Havana basically for his sake because he is a big saxophone player/fan...anyway, when Joni's vocals began he gasped and looked at me grinnning away and said (and I quote ;-)) "Wow! She sounds like a saxophone!" And right he is and I think this intentional on Joni's behalf, just by the way she breathes and accentuates etc...she is taking full advantage/making the most of her smokey throat. maybe we're gonna have another Bobby McFerrin on our hands sooon! I wanna hear her do Flight of the Bumble Bee! helly. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:32:54 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: saxophone voice? JC (superstar) Wowza! When I read this, I immediately flashed on Joni and Bobby McF improvising together...and my dimples ache just thinking about it. What I wouldn't give to see that. Furthermore, I've just decided that Bobby McFerrin can do a cover of any damned Joni song he wants and I'll wanna hear it. Cheerz, Janet clutching tix for the 17th row at College Park (it's even worth a trip to the burbs!) At 01:18 PM 10/19/98 +1000, Helen Gill wrote: > >a dear friend of mine requested to hear just one song from TTT. So I >chose my very fave Harlem in Havana basically for his sake because he is a >big saxophone player/fan...anyway, when Joni's vocals began he gasped and >looked at me grinnning away and said (and I quote ;-)) > >"Wow! She sounds like a saxophone!" And right he is and I think this >intentional on Joni's behalf, just by the way she breathes and accentuates >etc...she is taking full advantage/making the most of her smokey throat. > >maybe we're gonna have another Bobby McFerrin on our hands sooon! I wanna >hear her do Flight of the Bumble Bee! > >helly. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:41:26 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: BIRTHDAY MASSAGES-LAST CHANCE-******* Hello Fellow JoniScribers- I feel like a barmaid at an airport lounge. Last chance to get your birthday wishes sent to le grand dame (other wise known as that bitch who won't succumb to the pop machine, but they give her grammys for pop album of the year anyway. Maybe it was a grammie as in GrandMa, oh well I am redigressing) I apologize to anyone if I offended you by printing your name on my received lists. I only was notified by a couple of people who DID NOT want their names printed and I obliged them. Anyways, at the request of Ken I will only print the email addresses here for verification of entry. The received list is as follows: 3bunas@accessatlanta.com adelphot@bga.com amadden@bconnex.net Ashara@aol.com bamm_bamm@juno.com barbearuh@erols.com Bmcd@aol.com bokonon@texas.net briangross@rocketmail.com catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk Charstarl@aol.com codeb@duncanmccachen.com dduncan@ipa.net Denisongs@aol.com dlawson@westnet.com Dmascall@aol.com docnurse@voy.net donbvs@lightspeed.net dougoram@mail Drewdix@aol.com evian@sk.sympatico.ca Fluke_s@email.msn.com FredNow@aol.com gerlad@mb.sympatico.ca Gertus@aol.com GIBBS.PHILLIP@a1.rio.maricopa.e ginny@anv.net ginny@anv.net> h.gill@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Harpua@revealed.net haw@ph.ed.ac.uk hz@famelon.demon.co.uk ignatzmouse2@yahoo.com j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi JAWebster2@aol.com jilllinn@hotmail.com jlamadoo@one.net johnsonjs@earthlink.net julie@isosys.com jzw@visint.com Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com kbarnicle@ensr.com KCooper984@aol.com kg@ibm.net les@jmdl.com LRFye@aol.com M.Russell@iaea.org Marilune@aol.com Mark-n-Travis@worldnet.att.net messling@enter.net MHart16164@aol.com michaelb@coolgold.com.au michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net millers@albany.net notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu p.headon@net.ntl.com philipf@tinet.ie phy6pgk@phys-irc.novell.leeds.a PMcfad@aol.com pward@lightspeed.net queenaim@email.msn.com rkb200@is5.nyu.edu rnusca@globalserve.net Robbert@vansprang.demon.nl rwalker@erinet.com scam@freeway.net Seanapper@aol.com skindeep@hdo.net slarty@total.net sp@olympus.net steve@psitech.com> stevem@cruzio.com TerryM2442@aol.com treadmill@centuryinter.net twomey@clubi.ie wallyb@well.com Wallykai@interserver.com.ar WirlyPearl@aol.com wowpub@quake.net xhohx@earthlink.net That's the list of folks that I have received thus far. If your email address is not here, something must have gone wrong (including some sort of bizarre hallucination I might or might not have had). If so please re send and I will try to maintain decorum. Best to all, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:57:40 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: "He.lp me I think I'm bawling" From: "Claud SansSoucie" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:57:08 -0400 I can't seem to make it through all these digests piling up in my computer. I started out trying to read them in sequence (from the past until now) but then I can't keep up with the new once coming in. Now I've started at the recently received digests and I have no clue about what is being discussed. Arrghhh. "Help me I think I'm bawling"... Could someone just fill me in on a few things? The birthday card: What has been decided? Is it too late for me to participate? What do I do? The cookbook: Is it alive or dead? Will it come out for Christmas? How can I add my tasty dish "Real Good for Free"!? What about the Pay per view special? What time does it air? Is anyone taping it? Will it be repeated? Thanks in advance - I am going crazy not knowing. If anyone thinks of anything else I must absolutely know please feel free to repost stuff to me directly! Claud Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog) email: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net tele: (717) 854-7171 Web Page: http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:56:46 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: TTT & Minneapolis show Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:16:39 -0500 From: Bob Groethe On 16 Oct 1998, David G Skoglund wrote: >The Minneapolis show is one week away and I won't be going. >It hurts me to make that choice since I've been a Joni fan >for over 10 years now. But, the Target Center is one of my >least favorite music venues. I don't think she will translate >well there. The ticket prices were around $50 before all the >fees, which means that tickets for my wife and I would be >wellover $100. Then factor in parking and all that other stuff. >Forget it. I won't pay that much to see someone I love under >conditions that I hate. I know I wouldn't enjoy it. > >So, I'm staying home. I'll spend a portion of that money on the >pay-per-view and hope that she does a theatre tour sometime soon. I also write from Minneapolis, and agree completely with your evaluation of Target Center - the acoustics are wretched from all but the best seats. So, it puts a premium on the hard-to-get good seats. This is a good example why a tip o' the hat is owed to those working at the Bob Dylan Mail Order Ticket Sales web site: http://www.well.com/user/smarcus/mailorder.html The seats they've blocked out are all in the category of 'good seats', and the sound and site lines should be excellent from almost all of them. Nevertheless, your strategy of investing a fraction of the ticket cost in the pay-per-view makes plenty of sense. Happy listening and viewing to all! Bob Groethe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:22:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: suggestion for digestion (njc) From: "Claud SansSoucie" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 02:05:53 -0400 Going through this digest madness - I realized that digest #417 has so much NJC that it made me think... Wouldn't it be possible to get a digest version that leaves out any NJC posts? I could imagine that the server could just search for NJC and then not include these posts. So if some of us just want to catch up on the JC and SJC stuff we could just su.bscribe to such a distilled digest. I do realize that there would probably still be some unmarked NJC stuff since even the best of us forget on occasion, but it would still make a digest much smaller on average. Just an idea - Les - certainly don't want to make any more work for anyone else - but I thought it might be a nice option if it were simple to implement. Claud ....getting in-digest-ion Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog) email: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net tele: (717) 854-7171 Web Page: http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud This message boun_ced on it's way to Joniland - usually a result of the address from which it came not matching *exactly* any subscriber's address. If this message is from you, contact me so we can resolve the problem. -Les. - ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:34:20 EDT From: SChininis@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert ticket in Atlanta Laurie asked . . . <> Laurie you didn't miss out on the chance to buy $60.00 tickets to the Atlanta show . . . it was all a big fat lie. I got through to Ticketmaster at 10:02 and there were no $60.00 seats, so I too bought the cheaper tickets. I asked the same question you asked and the Ticketmaster guy said that the $60 tickets were sold in blocks to large groups. What groups? Paul suggested . . . <> Oh yea I wish!!! I teach part time at Georgia Tech and asked around about that also . . . no such luck. It all sounded funny to me so I decided to call ticket brokers to see if there ever were floor seats for sale. Several of them boasted about all the rows they had gotten. Not just seats mind you . . . ROWS. One broker I talked to has all of rows 1-15 on the floor and is now selling them for $250 each ! ! ! ! ! So what I think Ticketmaster means by "large groups" is ticket brokers who turn around and triple the price. What a horrible way to make money! While I'm complaining I want to also point out that I had a seating chart in my hands as I bought my tickets . . . but it was of no help at all. The well informed folks at Ticketmaster couldn't even tell me where the stage was going to be set up on the floor. So I either have pretty good tickets or really crappy ones. See ya, Steve NP- me standing at my open window yelling . . . "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Reviewing The Tiger/matthew shepard's killers...(non music related) I have lived with TTT for a week now. I like it very much - there you are. I enjoy all of the tunes save for maybe HIH, TCCOL. I don't necessarily get the "sameness" reviews; true she uses the same or similar guitar voicings that she's been using for years - that's part of her signature. My only real reservation is the "big sound" production, i.e. I do prefer the soundtrack MFM. If I were producing... Oh well, that'z all. The following is my response RE: Matthew Shepard/the death penalty, to a particular posting on the OUTVOICE list. If you care, you may be able to decipher some of my brain synaspes. The glass is half-full and half-empty, we can only quench out thirsts from the fullness. (That's me, not Joni - Did I need to mention that?) Esquizito www.interport.net/pswmusic >To: outvoice@QueerNet.ORG >From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) >Subject: Re: death penalty/matthew shepard's killers...(non music related) > > >>you lock them up for life, not only do they have every day of the rest of >>their natural lives to contemplate and live with the guilt of what they've >>done (their own personal torture), > > Well my dear, I waz walkin' with you up to this point. The above implies a conscience on their part, perhaps now you're alleging too much. > >>slight, queer-looking guys themselves in prison--a completely different kind >>of hell. > > WAAAOOOHH!!! What do queer's "look like?" If the (alleged) killers are indeed straight - then they look like straight guys. Yes, I fully understand the point you ultimately trying to make; it just struck me as an assumption and a contradiction. There's an irony I find as well, since apparently their odious attempt at the "homosexual panic" defense has surfaced, i.e. the father of one of the (alleged) killers said: Matthew came on to them. Correct me if I'm wrong, are these guys THEMSELVES saying that they feel that they "look queer?" > > and who knows, maybe somehow, they can see to make some good of >>themselves down the line, from inside the walls of prison. many people do. > > That is the hope of redemption and forgivness, which I thought the film DEAD MAN WALKING brilliantly depicted. Still, there's the "easy target factor." Gay folks are, and have been despised - no getting around it until a major change in consciousness comes about. (Black folks as well - HELLO? Do we remember James Byrd?) Along with being despised, gay folk are also seen as an easy target, i.e. "Nothing really's gonna happen to me if I beat up a fag." I believe our best strategy is to deal with this societal impunity that people such as these kids, as well as Trent Lott, seem to have when it comes to expressing their hate. > > I also wonder, in these situations: The (alleged) killers: Where were the gay folk in their respective families? (since "we are everywhere,") Were/are they out? Are these brothers and sisters estranged from the families? By choice? Did these gay uncle a/o aunt, or cousin etc. do "their part" to sensitize these kids? Or am I "now alleging too much?" I'm not shifting blame - just wondering. > > Somewhere in between hope and cynicism, > > Esquizito > www.interport.net/~pswmusic > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #424 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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