From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #422 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, October 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 422 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: VG-8--for tour or studio [Howard Motyl ] Re: Have We Come Too Close? ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Bumper Sticker (Draft) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: VG-8--for tour or studio [Howard Motyl ] Re: VG-8--for tour or studio ["Don Rowe" ] Re: VG-8--for tour or studio [Howard Motyl ] JONI TIX 4 Sale in Chicago [Howard Motyl ] Re: Producer for Joni (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] VG-8 vs. equalizer [Scott Price ] Re: Have We Come Too Close? [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] TTT & Minneapolis show [Bounced Message ] Man from Mars ...the beginning is..... [Bounced Message ] "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. ["Julie Z. Webb" ] crash on the levee, Mama [Brad Fors ] Re: Re: Re: NJC:Manson [Marilune@aol.com] Re: "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. [LRFye@aol.com] TTT review: Dayton Daily News [Roger Walker ] Re: Re: "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. [Marilune@aol.com] Re: crash on the levee, Mama [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Have We Come Too Close? ["Kakki" ] Re: world cafe special ["Deb Messling" ] Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard resolution now [Mark or Travis ] Happy Birthday (NJC) [Michael Paz ] More Drummers [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC:Manson [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: MSG Show - 1 Ticket Available [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Bumpersticker Idea [Bmcd@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:28:44 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: VG-8--for tour or studio IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/16/98 12:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > howard@mpimedia.com writes: > > << > So, what I don't understand is--why is she using it in the studio? When > she has the luxury and the time to tune the guitars--or to have a lot of > guitars already tuned--why is she using the VG8? Is it for the sound? > Howard M >> > > I'm sure there are others who could answer this better than I, but what the > heck, that never stopped me before! ;>) > First of all, as you probably know, the VG8 is NOT a guitar. It is akin to a > graphic equalizer, in my view, in that it allows you to reshape the sounds > coming out of another instrument. > To answer your main question, I think she has to record using the same stuff > she will perform with, otherwise she would not get the same sound in concert > as on the CD or simply would not be able to perform certain songs. > Isn't that a major reason why the Beatles stopped touring -- because they > started doing things in the studio on Revolver and Sgt. Pepper that could not > be reproduced on stage? > > Paul I But why *couldn't* she use another instrument/guitar when touring? I mean, why does the concert have to sound *exactly* like the album? She doesn't now, even with the VG8. All the old songs she is singing--by old, I mean pre-VG8--were recorded without the VG8 and she is playing them with the VG8 in concert. That's different. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:38:44 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Have We Come Too Close? At 06:22 PM 10/16/98 +0100, Rob wrote: >At 06:54 16/10/98 PDT, Don Rowe wrote: >You've put your finger on something which has been troubling me too. I came >to this list as a passionate but under-informed Joni fan. For the first >year it was a wholly positive experience: I came to appreciate albums I had >overlooked, I learned details of Joni's life which added colour to the >songs, and most of all I found a community I really felt at home with. Rob, I too have been thinking about the differences of experiencing a new Joni release with a community of people rather than my history of celebrating her music alone----- and I agree that it does have it's +'s and -'s. On the plus side, it's been interesting/insightful for me to read everyone's reactions and to observe the group dynamics of the list. On the negative side---the whole process of surrendering to a new Joni Mitchell album is so highly personal, and sometimes being part of the jmdl during this time, can also feel like experiencing sex with someone you like a lot--- who talks too much. And on another note: I suppose the heated energy on the list would be inevitable with the arrival of the jmdl community's first, long awaited new JM cd. Some zealous fans have difficulty handling criticism of Joni's work: those with complaints and criticisms are sometimes considered disloyal rabble-rousers. And those fans who are genuine in expressing their disappointment are offended by being counter attacked. What analogy is there for this situation? For lack of a better example this reminds me of two parents clumsily handling the childcare of a new baby -JulieZWebb, Don Juan's Fertile's Daughter or currently known as "That Woman Who Hates Getting Joke-Spam" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:49:26 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker (Draft) The bumper sticker looks GREAT! I can't imagine a reason that Larry Klein wouldn't allow use of his image of Joni ... I'll be looking to buy quite a few stickers for quite a few friends! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:07:57 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: VG-8--for tour or studio Don Rowe wrote: > > Allow me to jump in here ... > >But why *couldn't* she use another instrument/guitar when touring? I > >mean, why does the concert have to sound *exactly* like the album? She > >doesn't now, even with the VG8. All the old songs she is singing--by > >old, I mean pre-VG8--were recorded without the VG8 and she is playing > >them with the VG8 in concert. That's different. > > > >Howard M > > > First off, the VG-8 is technically, a "guitar synthesizer" -- a set of > electronic oscillators that use input signals from the pick-up of an > electric guitar, as opposed those triggered from a keyboard that we > think of as a traditional "synthesizer". The steel drums intro on > 'Harlem In Havana' is actually done with the guitar, through the sound > synthesis, or "patch" on the VG-8. It's more than *just* a memory bank > of tunings -- which does offer Joni ease of performance. So it is doing > multiple duties. > > It is also my understanding (though I'll happily defer to the more > learned guitar shamans of the jmdl) that alternate tunings are > physically stressful on acoustic guitars, which are designed and built > to respond to the string tensions of standard tuning. This is something > Joni has said herself on a few interview occasions. I would guess that > this fact, combined with the stress of road travel, makes > 1-guitar-per-song a bit cumbersome ... plus I think that Joni loves her > instruments, and would not particularly like abusing them for the sake > of touring. Just my dos-pesos ... > > Don Rowe > I understand why she uses the VG8 for touring. I am wondering why she uses the VG8 *in the studio* when she has all the guitars--or the luxury of having all the guitars--there. Howard M np: My Best to You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:19:46 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: VG-8--for tour or studio >I understand why she uses the VG8 for touring. I am wondering why she >uses the VG8 *in the studio* when she has all the guitars--or the luxury >of having all the guitars--there. > >Howard M > I'm not being flip, but all I can really do is employ Occam's Razor here, and guess that Joni must have made a creative decision to build TTT with the VG-8 (a synthesizer), rather than a conventional guitar, as she's traditionally done. Boy, if only it were really that easy to figure out ... ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:22:41 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: VG-8--for tour or studio Don Rowe wrote: > > >I understand why she uses the VG8 for touring. I am wondering why she > >uses the VG8 *in the studio* when she has all the guitars--or the > luxury > >of having all the guitars--there. > > > >Howard M > > > I'm not being flip, but all I can really do is employ Occam's Razor > here, and guess that Joni must have made a creative decision to build > TTT with the VG-8 (a synthesizer), rather than a conventional guitar, as > she's traditionally done. > > Boy, if only it were really that easy to figure out ... ;-) I see/hear/read nothing flip in your remarks. I guess you are right--she got this new toy and wanted to play with it. The album is growing on me--I can feel myself resisting now and again. But get sucked in at the beginning of Man From Mars every time. It is a classic that other people should cover like mad. So beautiful and heartbreaking. Howard M np: Man from Mars "I fall apart, every time I think of you, swallowed by the dark . . . " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:45:33 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: JONI TIX 4 Sale in Chicago I have two tix to JM and that Dylan guy on October 25. These are seats that I got through a friend who got them through the promoter of the concert--so they are supposed to be good seats. They are special seats that promoter uses for special people. Anyway, two tix for sale--face value. The goddess live! RSVP Privately. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:28:26 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Producer for Joni (NJC) In a message dated 10/14/98 8:27:03PM, LRFye@aol.com writes: << The CD is called "Cover Girl," and it's an album of cover tunes. Quite good, if you haven't heard it. For the record, Lori (a big S.C. fan) >> That makes two of us Lori [I guess this is a roundabout way of saying "me too"...). I'd go further, and state that "Cover Girl" is one of the best covers albums I've ever heard. Her complete dismantling and putting-back- together of Talking Heads' "This Must be the Place" is nothing less than brilliant. The question of Larry's production is neither here nor there for half the album, as half of it is live, just Shawn and her guitar, and boy can she play. Out of all the current crop of "New Jonis" (no, I don't endorse that phrase!), Shawn is pretty near the top of the heap. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:05:01 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: VG-8 vs. equalizer At 02:58 PM 10/16/98 EDT, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >First of all, as you probably know, the VG8 is NOT a guitar. It is akin to a >graphic equalizer, in my view, in that it allows you to reshape the sounds >coming out of another instrument. A major difference between the VG-8 synthesizer and a graphic equalizer is that the VG-8 allows changes to not only the timbre, but the tones (or "notes") as well. An equalizer can reshape the sound by adding or diminishing certain frequencies, but cannot change the pitch. The VG-8 allows the guitarist (in this case Joni) to store dozens of "patches" and be able to play them all without manually tuning the strings. Aside from the futuristic, colorful, and warm sound generated by this current guitar/synth setup, I wonder if the light weight and easier playability of the Parker Fly is another reason why Joni has chosen to use this axe exclusively of late. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Have We Come Too Close? Don asked: >Have we come too close? Are we no longer >capable of listening in wonder? Are we >doomed >to try and prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, >that TTT is not *as good as* 'Hejira' of 'HOSL'? >The recent contrast between some of the more >exuberant reviews (Billboard's comes to >mind)juxtaposed with the detailed comparison >analysis of the list makes me think, wistfully, >that perhaps we have. This is precisely the reason I skip over all the press reviews and subsequent disscusions of same. The only TTT review I've read is the local one I posted some time ago. I skip all of these because I KNOW what I like. I have always liked all of Joni's work, regardless of it's press, since long before I found this list. To look to deeply into each song or album, while interesting, certainly takes away some it's appeal. The same holds true for all the arts. I dicovered this when I read the twelve volume History Of Middle Earth series. While engaginly informative, it will forever take away much of the wonder and appeal of The Lord Of The Rings and The Silmarilion as each line was disected and explained in minutia. I just got my copy of TTT a couple of days ago in the mail and have so far listened to it once. I know next to nothing about this album or it's songs other than I LIKE THEM. I've gone into TTT the same way I have all it's predesesors, with a clean mind-pallette, so to speak, and have come out enjoying her work as usual. So I skip most of the album and song discussions/disections for this reason. We all enjoy the list for different reasons. I mostly enjoy the "live" topics such as concert reviews and discussions. I'll also admit to being somewhat titilated at the occasional glimpses into her private life. But the reviews and disection of her work is not for me. Nor is 99% of the NJC but that's another subject that's been beaten into the ground and is not going to change. So one scrolls for an occasional tidbit of personal interest, like yours today. Still out here, gdave NP: Tape of the Day 10/16/84 Radiators: Lone Star Cafe, NYC. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:23:15 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: TTT & Minneapolis show Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:55:56 -0500 (CDT) From: David G Skoglund Finally got my copy of TTT a couple of days ago. On the first couple of listens, I find that I don't like it as much as other recent albums. But, I'm sure that will change as it grows on me. My one "complaint" at this point is that there isn't more of the steel guitar on the album. I think it compliments her sound very well. I just wish it was louder in the mix and more prominent in the arrangements. The Minneapolis show is one week away and I won't be going. It hurts me to make that choice since I've been a Joni fan for over 10 years now. But, the Target Center is one of my least favorite music venues. I don't think she will translate well there. The ticket prices were around $50 before all the fees, which means that tickets for my wife and I would be wellover $100. Then factor in parking and all that other stuff. Forget it. I won't pay that much to see someone I love under conditions that I hate. I know I wouldn't enjoy it. So, I'm staying home. I'll spend a portion of that money on the pay-per-view and hope that she does a theatre tour sometime soon. David Skoglund email: david.g.skoglund-2@tc.umn.edu home page: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~skogl004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:55:15 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Man from Mars ...the beginning is..... From: "Beloved1s" Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:41:51 +0200 Hi,Howard,hi all!! I'm Roberto,from Venice,Italy.Just got your post,Howard:yes,Man from Mars will become a classic in no time,it's a masterpiece!The very first time I heard Joni singin':"Since I lost you........I can't get thru' the day......" I felt sooooo "good" and I shouted:"MY GOD!!!!!",so loud that my wife came upstairs and told me "Hey,what's wrong with Joni,don't you like the CD??" Thank you for sharing! Take care Have a great weekend! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:54:49 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. Well what do you know, Joni's "A Case of You" is featured in Sandra Bullock's and Nicole Kidman's new witch movie, "Practical Magic." "Pittsburgh Post Gazette" reporter says, "And while I rarely feel compelled to mention the soundtrack, the choice and use of songs is wickedly good. The Nilsson tune "Coconut" provides a dizzying musical backdrop as the witches get silly drunk on midnight margaritas. And the lovely Joni Mitchell song, "A Case of You" is marvelous mood music as Kidman drives day into night into day ---with clouds suspended in the distance." And in the Oct 19th issue of the "New Yorker," there is a teeny promo piece on Sandra Bernhard's new show, "Im Still Here....Damn It!" "You rock!" is Sandra Bernhard's highest praise; and she does. Even as she parodied Joni Mitchell, Gladys Knight and the artist formerly known as Prince, she managed to deliver some powerful verssions of their songs while lacing her recent one-woman act with sardonic observations about the pop-record scene and anything else that insulted her spirit." Does anyone know if they are talking about anything other than "Ethiopia" here? Does she do any Joni in her new show? -JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:23:11 -0500 From: Brad Fors Subject: crash on the levee, Mama Hi everyone, On Wednesday, the day of the technological nightmares, our hard drive crashed, and then our VCR went out while watching the X-Files Movie! *&^$&$@%^*!!!!!!! So, I lost all my addresses in my address book, along with everything else. If you care to, drop me a private line, just to say hi, so I can put you back in. We mailed away to the Bob Dylan ticket site for Chicago tickets but we haven't seen any tickets yet. It's getting towards crunch time. I hope we don't get them the day after the show! Since have neither the Chicago concert address, or the Minneapolis address, which I'm the whatchamacallit of, I don't know what's happening in either arena. Anybody getting together anywhere? I hope so. Why don't the Mpls. concert goers e-mail me so we can get something going. The show is one week from today, ya know! I'm taking that Friday off work so I can bask in the glory of the day. If you want, you could call me as you all get to town. I'll just be sittin' here listening Joni and Bob, gearing myself up. I'm looking forward to seeing you all in Mpls. and in Chicago (it's my kind of town). Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:17:18 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: NJC:Manson In a message dated 10/15/98 10:50:45 PM, h.gill@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: >I was horrified to hear little Paul Pfeiffer from the Wonder Years was a >band member of the Manson gang. Fred SAVAGE would be more suitable, not >poor little Pauly! well if he is Pauly sure isn't his name. they all have famous femme first names and serial killer last names. For example: gidget gein, olivia newton- bundy, ect... - -mariana Np: the foo fighters, -the colour and the shape- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:43:00 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. Julie writes: > Well what do you know, Joni's "A Case of You" is featured in Sandra > Bullock's and Nicole Kidman's new witch movie, "Practical Magic." I just got home from seeing the film, which is delightful! In addition to enjoying the acting talents of Sandra, Nicole, Dianne Wiest and Stockard Channing, what a happy surprise to be treated to some Joni, too! As I was sitting in the fourth row (I like to be close to the screen!), practically dancing in my seat, I wondered if anyone behind me was doing the same. I'll leave the real review to Julie, but my advice is: go see this movie! It's funny and touching, and a bit of a celebration of the power women coming together, as well. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:10:53 -0400 From: Roger Walker Subject: TTT review: Dayton Daily News Here's a review from today's Dayton Daily News. Joni Mitchell is one of the few artists today worthy of Duke Ellington's words of praise: She's beyond category. She's usually filed under pop, and the unaware still call her a folk singer, but her music is closer to jazz, the rhythms and chordal structures-and lyrics- of her songs too sophisticated for the radio- programmer mind. So Mitchell has been out of the mainstream since she was "stoking the starmaking machinery behind the popular song" on 1974's Court and Spark, her last album to connect with a mass audience. But as her followers know, she's still remarkable. Taming the Tiger won't appeal to every taste. It's sometimes didactic and probably less musi- cally accessible than 1994's Turbulent Indigo. But its 11 songs are inventive, quirky and utterly uncliched. Lyrically, she covers a lot of ground (perhaps too much), from the world's violence and greed in No Apologies to her mother's condemnation of her for living with her boyfriend in FaceLift. Then there's the title cut's slam on a music industry that produces "formula music…genuine junk food for juveniles." No purveyor of junk food, Mitchell may not always succeed but deserves credit for stretching in an age of safe rebellion and market-tested innovation. Tom Beyerlein, Dayton Daily News - -- rog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:00:08 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. In a message dated 10/16/98 5:52:03 PM, LRFye@aol.com wrote: >I just got home from seeing the film, which is delightful! In addition to >enjoying the acting talents of Sandra, Nicole, Dianne Wiest and Stockard >Channing, what a happy surprise to be treated to some Joni, too! As I was >sitting in the fourth row (I like to be close to the screen!), practically >dancing in my seat, I wondered if anyone behind me was doing the same. The book by Alice Hoffman is also highly reccomended by me. It's really great writing and a very nice story. Alice Hoffman is one of my favorite writers. - -mariana (dreadfully excited because call for her play is in about 50 minutes and i just LOOOOOOOVE performing!!!) NP: the foo fighters, -the colour and the shape- (dreafully loud) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:13:46 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: crash on the levee, Mama I know it all to well! I had 4 years of stuff saved on my computer last Sunday. I lost it all in 30 seconds! At 7:23 PM -0500 10/16/98, Brad Fors wrote: > Hi everyone, > > On Wednesday, the day of the technological nightmares, >our hard drive crashed, and then our VCR went out while >watching the X-Files Movie! *&^$&$@%^*!!!!!!! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:59:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Have We Come Too Close? Julie wrote: >On the negative side---the whole process of surrendering to a new Joni Mitchell album is so highly personal, and sometimes being part of the jmdl during this time, can also feel like experiencing sex with someone you like a lot--- who talks too much. This is such an apt analogy! "How was it for you?" < taking a long, satisfied drag on a cigarette> "GREAT - ahhhhh, a peak experience!!" "And you?" "Hmmmpft!" Kakki NP: Crazy Cries of Love (really!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:22:10 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: world cafe special To the various people who asked me to make copies of the World Cafe special: I devoutly wish I could, but I can't get WXPN at my house. I'm sorta hoping one of the Philly JMDLS will pop in a tape. As I understand it, there is no interview portion to this show; it's just two hours of Joni music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:24:34 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: (NJC) Matthew Shepard resolution now John T. Folden wrote: > > Some good news: > > CASPER, Wyo. (AP) _ The Casper City Council banned protesters from today's > funeral of a slain University of Wyoming student, hoping to prevent a > spectacle at an event that an anti-gay church vowed to picket. > > During an emergency meeting late Thursday, the council voted unanimously to > forbid protests before, during and immediately after the funeral Seems they weren't entirely successful. Watching the news tonight I wondered if what I was feeling was at all similar to what African Americans felt watching TV coverage of some of the awful things done to them during the civil rights battles of the 60's. Or for that matter in more recent times. What I saw tonight didn't make me feel good at all. In fact it is still upsetting me so I won't say anymore. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:19:16 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Sameness on "Taming The Tiger" CD The sameness doesn't bother me any more than a show of photographs bothers me because they are all in frames with white mattes. Since it doesn't bother me I feel that noone faulted Dylan for using an acoustic guitar- maybe even the same guitar- on *all* of his early albums. I'm not criticizing Anne (hi Anne!) by saying this. This is a disagreement among fans. The sameness doesn't bother me. What bothers me NO END is the remarkably raw white noise/distortion in the first few seconds of "Harlem In Havana". It does not sound like distortion that enhances the music (like "Tumblin' Dice" by the rolling stones). It sounds like producer-Joni decided to keep the raw sound for uh...... reasons other than musical reasons. Maybe she wanted to get back to her painting. I dunno. I don't want to get inside her head. For me, "Harlem In Havana" sounds better on cassette, blasting out on my horrific car stereo than it does on the living-room stereo. I love it- just not in the living room! I love the contribution from Mr. Shorter. Imagine the track without him- it would be diminished for sure! I wish I could remix "Lead Balloon". I'd uh... save Mr. Shorter's contribution for the other tracks that are more atune with the sax. I'd re-record those guitars so that they are in the middle instead of out-of-phase, inside out. Finally, there's the drum problem. One of the most basic tenents of rock music is the downbeat. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. :)) There are only a few bands where the drums hit against the beat. If you count "Yes" as a rock band, then there's one. Then there's the case of "The Police". Who else can play against the beat and still make rock? Anyway, in my opinion, I'd put Stewart Copeland on this one track and take away Joni's cigarettes away for about 20 minutes. When she's ready to snap, roll tape on "Lead Balloon"! (!!!!!) Maybe the best take of "Lead Balloon" will come from the upcoming tour! Gees, there's a thought! - -- Wondering what lies ahead, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:05:21 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: "A Case" In "Magic" Film/Sandra B. Reading through the incoming mail, I learned that I wrote: > and a bit of a celebration of the power women coming together, as well. Er, um ... that should have said "the power OF women coming together," but I guess "power women" would fit, too! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:36:44 -0700 From: bamm_bamm@juno.com (Liz Johnson) Subject: Inappropriate Covers I'm way behind on digests but got quite a giggle out of Melissa Etheridge doing 'Man to Man'. Amy Grant - River - I can't imagine her singing 'loved me so naughty..made me weak in the knees' ...and well, Peter Coyote should do...well, you know. cheers- Liz >Amy Grant, "The Magdalene Laundries" >The Troggs, "Wild Things Run Fast" >David Bowie, "Man From Mars" >The Cars, "Flat Tires" >Melissa Ethridge, "Man To Man" >The Knack, "Song For Sharon" > >Say, this is fun ... > >Don Rowe ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:15:56 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Yet another TTT review--negative one From the Louisville paper today, here is its TTT review. Kingpin NP: the new (yet old) Bob Dylan, "Live 1966" "Joni Mitchell once deserved the status of an idol, if only for her album "Blue", which was released nearly 30 years ago. Since those folkie days she has dabbled openly in jazz, with "Hejira" being her finest effort in this vein. Now comes TTT which doesn't offer anything new or essential. Mitchell's last album, TI, won two Grammys. TTT probably will win some Grammys too. I suggest this only in an effort to denounce Grammy winners as mediocre and suggest that fans of pap like Yanni might enjoy Mitchell's latest direction, which is characterized by unchallenging melodies and entirely too many insipid, nursery-rhyme lyrics. While the sounds are pleasant (and there are those who might find that quality inviting or necessary), the moments that most adamantly demand the listener's attention are the most unpleasant, grating ones, like the stuttering refrain of "Lead Balloon". Artistically, Mitchell seems to have become the stereotypical crazy old cat lady, self-absorbed, blurting out inanities. Cat images (four in paintings by Mitchell, another a photo) are prominent in the package's artwork, and then there's the title track, which includes the lines "Tiger tiger burning brightly/Nice kitty kitty." The lyric is so stupid that one might never realize the song is "about" how disposable popular music has become, as has such an observation--and any song that relies upon it for its "meaning". Overlooking the four or five truly irritating, awkward and jarring tracks, a casual listener might find as many as six pleasant, openly bland, jazzy atmosphere pieces. This should serve as a warning for Mitchell's older fans to maybe stay away (unless they've become as dotty as she) and as a notice to the Grammy-nominating committee that its first obvious candidate for album of the year has appeared. - -end- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:50:33 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: IS THIS FOR REAL: Yet another TTT review--negative one I usually give reviewers a wide berth but is this review for real or a hoax? TTT may not be Joni's best but it is still one of the best of the year. This review just reminds me to keep reminding myself how truely diverse people are. Well to each there own but in my opinion this review has got it ALL WRONG. NP: Grateful Dead April 22, 1969 (after having just seen the ever wonderful James Galway in concert this evening) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:47:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Yet another TTT review--negative one Kingpin, Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all day! For a negative review, this one is truly hilarious! I especially enoyed these "observations": >Artistically, Mitchell seems to have become the stereotypical crazy old >cat lady, self-absorbed, blurting out inanities. >Cat images (four in paintings by Mitchell, another a photo) are prominent in the package's artwork, >This should serve as a warning for Mitchell's older fans to >maybe stay away (unless they've become as dotty as she) and as a >notice to the Grammy-nominating committee that its first obvious >candidate for album of the year has appeared. Haha! Kakki, well into her dotage with her cat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:40:41 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Birthday (NJC) Dear Michael Y Still catching up on the digests. Have a Happy Birthday and what the heck, go ahead and celebrate all month. Best, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:53:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: More Drummers Hello All- More and more drummers are turning on to Joni. We had the extremely talented Jason Marsalis on Jukebox last night (along with his dad, Harold Batiste, Ed Anderson, etc.) and he played a smoking set. He mentioned that he is really into Joni lately and will be picking up more records this week. He also talked about all the drummers releasing albums this year, including Brian. He has a new record out called "Year of the Drummer", which I highly recommend. John and Allison Lind came by the show and it was an honour to have them in our number. Hope everyone has a wonderful fall weekend. Mrs. Paz and I are taking the boys camping in Mississippi. Be well all, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:16:37 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC:Manson In a message dated 10/16/98 8:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Marilune@aol.com writes: << >I was horrified to hear little Paul Pfeiffer from the Wonder Years was a >band member of the Manson gang. Fred SAVAGE would be more suitable, not >poor little Pauly! well if he is Pauly sure isn't his name. they all have famous femme first names and serial killer last names. For example: gidget gein, olivia newton- bundy, ect... >> This is a false rumor that has been refuted properly by the actor himself on one of the late-night talk shows. It also has been said here before as well. Sorry if you missed it, but it ain't true. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:29:51 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: MSG Show - 1 Ticket Available In a message dated 10/16/98 5:46:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << For anyone interested in attending the MSG show - >> I'm looking for 2 or 3 tickets to the MSG show. anyone? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:30:14 EDT From: Bmcd@aol.com Subject: Re: Bumpersticker Idea In a message dated 98-10-14 12:40:26 EDT, you write: << On the left side it just says "Joni" in huge letters. On the right side, in much smaller print it says, "Rocks, swings, scats, produces, paints, strums, tickles, draws." >> I'll take 10 please (and thanks). Yours in jonispirit, Karen Mc ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #422 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?