From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #419 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 419 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's tour dates [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's tour dates [Wally Breese ] Re: Viveza and birthdays (NJC) (BC) ["Kakki" ] Joni Paintings [Hassan Zubairi ] Re: a coupla things 2 ["Philipf" ] Re: vingettes- passive aggressive [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: do i tell her? totally njc [heather ] Fwd: Matt Shepard [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Joni's tour dates [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Joni's tour dates & Lead Balloon ["Happy The Man" ] Re: neglect [Jerry Notaro ] matthew shepard (njc) [Bill Dollinger ] Happy Day to Char* (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] RE: matthew shepard (njc) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Joni's tour dates ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Joni's tour dates ["Marsha" ] RE: matthew shepard (njc) [Michael Yarbrough ] (NJC) Matthew Shepard resolution now [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: do I tell her? Virtually NJC [Bounced Message ] LA Times Tidbits (VLJC) [Steve Dulson ] No Nashville show? ["Marsha" ] RE: (NJC) Matthew Shepard resolution now ["John T. Folden" ] Re: Shopping at Borders - some Webb content (NJC) ["Philipf" ] Re: Joni Paintings [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] TTT review in yesterday's Post [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Billboard Review of TTT [Bounced Message ] Atlanta Show ["742 - Ainsworth, Cheryl A" ] Re: green apple epilogue - njc [LRFye@aol.com] NJC - rates [Bounced Message ] NJC Overheard dialogue etc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: (NJC) An objectionable Website [Charstarl@aol.com] Lucinda Williams Concert [Anne Madden ] Re: (NJC) An objectionable Website [catman ] Re: NJC:Manson [Mark Domyancich ] Re: NJC:Manson [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 03:14:32 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's tour dates In a message dated 10/14/98 11:21:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallyb@well.com writes: << Paul, I felt so rotten having to announce that Joni isn't doing any shows in Florida. Partly because I know that a lot of listers live in that state. So sorry! Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com>> Well, such is life in Florida. We don't get snow, but we don't get Joni, either. Dylan will probably have someone boring (to me, at least) like Tom Petty open his Florida concerts, thinking he'd have a better chance to sell them out with the native Gainesville star than with Joni. I don't recall from your announcement, though. Is Atlanta still an option to see Joni? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 00:40:31 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Re: Joni's tour dates > I don't recall from your announcement, though. Is Atlanta still an option >to see Joni? > >Paul I Paul, Yes. The Atlanta show is still happening, and it's on Joni's birthday! Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:51:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Viveza and birthdays (NJC) (BC) >Last note goes to Robert Holliston of Viveza fame: I agree with Marsha. >Viveza's newly released "Tango Tango" is great listening. Really!!! When >I first listened to their previous release, "Five O'Clock Foxtrot" I >wasn't sure I'd like "Salon Music" (Is that something you listen to when >you get your hair done?). As it turns out; I do like. Thanks for >broadening my horizon, Roberto. And a big "me, three"! Very classic and classy music. It was also our wonderful and talented Roberto's birthday last Sunday - Many cheers to him, Maggie, Michael and Char. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:58:33 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Joni Paintings Well, here's my tuppence I went to see the self same exhibition that Azeem went to see. Dairies Of A Decade it was called. It was in the Broadgate Arena Gallery (called The Rotunda because of its round shape). I was studying art at the time for my Alevels (17 years old) and I was struck by the diverse styles that she had explored in 10 years - and explored fully!! I usually get bored with one style within one area of the canva, but that was me I guess. The hanging was peculiar in that the space was circular and you could see 70% of the paintings from the entrance balcony. Joni said that they were hung like a necklace. The walls were home to these paintings, some abstract, some Photo-realistic, some Figurative and some completely Action-Painting which at the time I didn't understand the concept. But there weer a couple , off the top of my head one entitled Prego comes to mind. It's much in the style of Big Blue Moon There. It contains within its frame a collage of faces, obscured by the rich over layerings of acylic paint (I'm so glad she gone to oils, the colours are so much more alive). IN this case the acrylic works and its a wonderful painting. (I asked my friend what Prego meant - its Italian and so was she - she said that Prego is the things that give you pleasure. Waiters usually say it after you say 'grazzi' - but I never belive them). Here the title informs us of what these faces are - things that give someone pleasure. Hidden under the layers is a large Joniface, a Larryface and other faces which I can't make out but it's kinda reminiscent of and Italian scene. This is conjecture but I think Joni went to Italy for a holiday (she mentions the rennaissance spirit there) as the next album contained images of Rome and Botticelli and flowers and the only joy in town, something that gave her pleasure. I truly love her artistic ability and the new paintings - figurative and naturalistic, with reflections of Van Gogh and. I prefer the originals to the homages. The Joni Van Gogh is appropriate and very funny. The painting of the Golden Girl( I can't remember the title or the original) on the inside isn't. IMHO. I wish she would title her paintings. They all should be titled like Idol, Idyll, Idle, Ideal, with the title running round the frame. I love that and have copied it several times. Anyway this is seeming more like twopoundsfifty than tuppence, so I'll stop. Prego JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:56:03 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Re: a coupla things 2 - -----Original Message----- Jamie Jake wrote : >Anyway on a more serious note, if what I have read is true about Joni and Don, then that is sad. Like any friend I would like to know why and try to see if I can help, but yeah, like she will take the advice of a 26 year old... > Why not mate, age doesn't make humans any wiser as far as I can see. >We open a week on Tuesday!!! Arghhh. Best wishes - hope it goes well. Philip NP The Voice Squad - the parting glass ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:22:42 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: vingettes- passive aggressive < Subject: Re: do i tell her? totally njc At 11:35 PM 10/14/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/14/98 5:58:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PMcfad@aol.com >writes: > ><< and green is for bad kids. >> > >I suggest you send a green apple to the teacher. I'd be outraged if my kid's >teacher did that! > >Terry > > Better yet ... collect the apples ... make an apple pie .... give it to the teacher. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:53:50 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Matt Shepard This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_908456031_boundary Content-ID: <0_908456031@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am a religious person and try at all times to keep my specific beliefs off this list. I think tolerance is the best form of spreading love. With this said, I am forwarding a post I recieved from another list which is self evident and in line with other posts. I will add only one thing. The Anglican Community this summer made some very backwards movement in recognizying our gay brothers and sisters with in its' corporation. I am pleased that the Episcopal Community, which is very American in its structure was not able to follow suit. Perhaps one day we will all live in peace. pj - --part0_908456031_boundary Content-ID: <0_908456031@inet_out.mail.ecunet.org.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v50.18) with SMTP; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:08:31 -0400 Received: from pcusa80.pcusa.org (pcusa80.pcusa.org [206.115.64.80]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id XAA12755; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.ecunet.org by pcusa80.pcusa.org id aa25783; 14 Oct 98 22:32 EDT X-sequence: 1 X-topic-note: 2241 X-disclaimer: Opinions are the author's, not necessarily Ecunet's. From: ENS Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:10:01 -0400 (EDT) To: enslist list Subject: $Sender [ens] #2241 Message-ID: <9810142232.aa04948@pcusa01.ecunet.org> Sender: owner-enslist@lists.ecunet.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: owner-enslist@lists.ecunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit October 14, 1998 Episcopalians join nationwide mourning for murdered gay student in Wyoming by Kathryn McCormick (ENS) Shock, sadness and anger at the gruesome murder of a 21-year-old gay college student reached across the country as his family and friends made plans for his funeral Friday in the Episcopal church in Casper, Wyoming, where he had often served as an acolyte. Matthew Shepard died Monday, five days after he had been pistol-whipped and lashed to a fence post in near-freezing temperatures outside Laramie, Wyoming. Two men have been charged with his murder; their girlfriends have been charged as accessories to murder. Police have said that robbery was the main motive for the attack, but they have acknowledged that Shepard apparently was chosen in part because he was gay. Shepard had said that he had been beaten twice in recent months, attacks he attributed to his open homosexuality. Shepard's fellow students at the University of Wyoming and on campuses throughout the country, politicians from Wyoming to the White House, and many others, including leaders of the Episcopal Church, reacted swiftly to the attack, gathering in vigils, calling for strengthened hate-crime legislation, and reflecting on the meaning of the young man's death. One of the voices was that of the Rev. Bill Bacon, rector of St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Fort Collins, Colorado, near the hospital where Shepard was taken for treatment and where he died. Bacon was called to Shepard's bedside by the family. Noting that Shepard had been active in the Episcopal Church and had attended Canterbury Club while at the University of Wyoming, Bacon recalled in an essay written for the Colorado Episcopalian, "Gathered around his bandaged body, we began the Litany at the Time of Death. As lights blinked and the respirator purred, I though of the obscenity of the Lambeth Resolution on Sexuality" that condemned homosexual activity. "Especially," he said, "the bit included as an afterthought, and not unanimously, `We wish to assure them (homosexuals) that they are loved by God and that all baptized, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ.' "Matthew, a child of God by Baptism.a Son of the Episcopal Church. The obscenity of even thinking that a vote had to be taken to ensure that he was a full member of the Church," Bacon said. Shepard's death, which came at the beginning of national Gay Awareness Week, fueled calls from President Bill Clinton for stronger national hate-crimes legislation and from Bishop Bruce Caldwell of Wyoming for a hate-crime law in that state. Of the 41 states that have such laws, 21 specifically cover offenses motivated by the victim's sexual orientation. Several efforts to pass a law in Wyoming have failed. Less than a week before the beating, Caldwell noted, Wyoming's diocesan convention had urged the state legislature to pass an anti-bias bill. Acknowledging Shepard's death, Dr. Pam Chinnis, president of the Episcopal Church's House of Deputies, pointed out in a statement that four months earlier, an African-American man, James Byrd, Jr., was beaten and then killed in Jasper County, Texas, a victim of racial hatred. "These horrifying crimes, committed under cover of darkness on lonely country roads, warn of the potential for evil that lurks in every town and city, and in our churches, too," she said. "We must take the message of these hate crimes seriously-our faith requires it, and our survival as a civilization depends on it." Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, in a separate statement, said he mourned the young man's death, adding, "The fact that Matthew was an Episcopalian makes our grief no more sharp, but it does give us a particular responsibility to stand with gays and lesbians, to decry all forms of violence against them-from verbal to physical, and to encourage the dialogue that can, with God's help, lead to new appreciation for their presence in the life of our church, and the broader community." According to news reports, Shepard was born in Casper. He attended schools in Switzerland, on the East Coast of the U.S. and in Denver. He traveled the world with his parents, who were employed by an oil company, before returning to Casper. He later attended Casper Junior College before transferring this fall to the University of Wyoming, where he studied political science. Matthew Shepard's funeral is to be held in St. Mark's Church in Casper. The Rev. Anne Kitch, assistant at St. Peter's Church, Peekskill, New York, whose husband is a cousin of Shepard, has been invited to preach. St. Matthew's Episcopal Cathedral in Laramie also will hold a memorial service Friday for those unable to attend the funeral. - --Kathryn McCormick is associate director of the Office of News and Information of the Episcopal Church. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This note sent by ENS to the enslist list . Send unsubscribe requests to enslist-request@ecunet.org - --part0_908456031_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:13:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's tour dates Wally Breese wrote: > . I regret to inform > you folks that Joni is NOT joining Bob for his shows in Florida. I know > this will disappoint many of you, and I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad > news. One BIG Boo-Hoo. Jerry, DEEPLY DEPRESSED IN FLORIDA!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:30:49 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: Joni's tour dates & Lead Balloon Wally, All this time I thought we were friends. The first time that I have convinced myself that I could actually go see Joni they decide not to do the Nashville show. Usually I do not take this personally but since it keeps happening to me I am going to get to the bottom of this conspiracy. I have hired and independent counsel to check into this. In the meantime is the beginning of "Lead Balloon" sound like a Allan Holdsworth song or maybe even a little stretch but the Al Dimeola "Return to Forever" era. I kind of wait for those battery charging licks to come out of the song. Peace, Craig NP: Barenaked Ladies, Stunt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:34:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: neglect SDWS10@aol.com wrote: > i would really like to know why none of my msgs get posted....it seems we have > a arrogont and cooky provider Or an ignorant and rude poster. Jerry, crabby in FL np: Rusted Root - When I Woke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: matthew shepard (njc) thanks to those who let me know that the message i received about a fund for matthew shepard was legitimate. i went to the capitol last night for the very moving vigil. lots of politicos there, but i was most moved by the actress kirsten johnston, the tall beauty from the sitcom third rock from the sun. the thing that moved me was that she put into words a reason why this horrible murder has effected me so profoundly - i know i would have really liked this person! anyway, if you feel like you would like to do something to try and help bring some good out of this tragedy, please call your representatives and senators and demand a vote on the federal hate crimes prevention bill. if you need help finding out who to contact and how to reach them, send me an email and i will look it up for you. bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:50:20 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Happy Day to Char* (NJC) Happy Birthday, Char* in Spudland! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:12:34 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: matthew shepard (njc) Bill wrote: <<>> It is very important to do this. However, this bill is DOA. So make sure to follow up your call with a vote in November holding your Representative and Senators accountable. When you call, make sure the receptionist takes your name and address and make clear that you expect a response detailing your Member or Senator's position on the issue. Then vote accordingly. The Capitol switchboard can be reached at: 202-224-3121 - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:07:36 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni's tour dates Wouldn't it be great if we could get permission for someone to get up on stage at the concert in Atlanta and give Joni the Birthday Card live. You know make an announcement something to the effect "This is a Birthday Card For Joni Mitchell from the internet Community" Wally Breese wrote: > > I don't recall from your announcement, though. Is Atlanta still an option > >to see Joni? > > > >Paul I > Paul, > Yes. The Atlanta show is still happening, and it's on Joni's birthday! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:12:55 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni's tour dates - -----Original Message----- From: Ken (Slarty) To: Wally Breese Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Joni's tour dates >Wouldn't it be great if we could get permission for someone to get up on stage >at the concert in Atlanta and give Joni the Birthday Card live. You know make >an announcement something to the effect "This is a Birthday Card For Joni >Mitchell from the internet Community" And of course, I would be happy to do the honors! :-) Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:27:45 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: matthew shepard (njc) Sorry for responding to my own message, but I just wanted to add that you SHOULD NOT call any Members or Senators other than your own. Mass emails or letters to every Member of Congress are a waste of your time and theirs. Concentrate your efforts on the people elected to cast votes on YOUR behalf. And I also add a gentle reminder for the NY residents on our list that the author of the House version of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act is Rep. Chuck Schumer, who is of course challenging Alfonse D'Amato for a Senate seat this November. Keep this in mind while voting, or better yet volunteering or even writing checks, this fall. And tell your friends. I'd be happy to forward a list of current House and Senate co-sponsors of the bill to anyone who wants it. Co-sponsors are people who support the bill so strongly that they attach their name to it. I can also provide more information on just what legislative procedures are being considered by activists to get the bill through. And I know these disclaimers are cheesy, but I have to say that everything I've written thus far and may write in the future on this or any political topic is a representation of my thoughts only, and should not be construed as speaking for anyone else. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:19:32 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) Matthew Shepard resolution now The House is currently debating a resolution condemning Matthew Shepard's murder. You can watch the debate on C-SPAN now, 11:10 a.m. on Thursday. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:08:41 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: an evening with Joni video Well....being that I work for a pretty big music/vid distributor, I would not be unwilling to take orders and buy them for y'all w/ my employee discount, (usually 8%). And that's on top of the wholesale price. I don't see it in our database yet, but if it comes up that we'll carry it, I might be able to "get it for you wholesale." Reply to me privately and I'll keep a running list. Thanks, MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:13:42 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: green apple epilogue - njc i told my wife of the green apple situation last night on her cell phone. her response was exactly as follows: 1. well, it wasn't a yellow apple so i guess we can still go. besides, i just bought her some platform sneakers to get her over the 44" mark for the rides. 2. i mean the whole thing is pretty dumb. why should she get daily behavior reports in the form of red yellow and green apples. 3. and i guess the punishment was pretty stiff for such a dumb thing. then this morning, my wife said, 4. when we get back i am making a conference with the teacher and you are going to go tell her how dumb her apple thing is. then we are going to punish our daughter for repeat incindents of talking. then i kissed her on the head and went outside feeling good. sorry for the glut. pj who is glad to be a jimdler today. np car on a hill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:48:59 -0400 From: Jeff & Vicki Harris Subject: Could sure use some sunshine on my apple trees (njc) Regarding the "little green apple" thread... it seems to me that the problem is not with the teacher's apple system. It seems to this humble mom that perhaps the loss of the disney trip was too big of a punishment to tie in to simple misbehavior at school. Maybe early bedtime would have been a wiser choice? Hey, I've made the same mistake myself. :>) Vicki n.p.... there'll be icicles and birthday clothes, and sometimes there'll be sorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:39:12 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: green apple epilogue - njc Glad that this worked out--glad that your wife had the right perspective on the punishment and the apples. In the bigger scheme of things--talking isn't much to worry about. There are many other things--so go lightly on the punishment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:48:26 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Billboard update TTT has fallen below 100 on the Billboard charts for the Oct 24 issue. I won't know exactly where it landed until the magazine hits the stands, but it's nowhere in the top 100 as listed on their website. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:42:01 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: do I tell her? Virtually NJC Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:55:40 -0400 From: Kate & CJ PJ wrote > should i tell her about the apple and risk the consequences for > the > daughter et all, since if she does not go, no one goes. or, do i burry the > apple till we get back next week? > Don't tell...I am now talking without permission, too. We all are...and I would venture to say that one Joni talked out of turn a time or two. Great artists musn't be suppressed!!! Once long ago dubbed "Gabby", CJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times Tidbits (VLJC) A couple of interesting items from the LA Times - Wednesday there was a story that KACD/KBCD (why two sets of call letters?) at 103.1 will be switching Monday to a format similar to the long-lamented KSCA, ("Adult alternative") so perhaps there is a chance of hearing Joni once again on LA commercial radio. Today's story on the Goddess movement has a couple of mentions of Ruth Barrett, who is the same Ruth Barrett that helped do the dulcimer tab for the "Hits" and "Misses" songbooks, and is interviewed by Wally on his site. Unfortunately, they ran no photos of the "bare-breasted Hawaiian beauty" they mention in one of those paragraphs, so I can't confirm that that means Ruth. :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:36:57 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: No Nashville show? Has the Nashville show been canceled? Marsha, glad I have my Atlanta plans secured ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:41:08 -0400 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: RE: (NJC) Matthew Shepard resolution now In case no one has heard, the Westboro Babtist Church will be picketing Mr. Shepard's funeral. If you're not familiar with thw WBC or Mr. Phelps, you should take a peek at their website. The address, schockingly enough is www.godhatesfags.com Oh, and be sure to read the FAG, it's just lovely (yes, that's dripping with sarcasm.) The whole thing makes me incredibly angry. This guy is nuts! > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Yarbrough > > The House is currently debating a resolution condemning Matthew > Shepard's murder. You can watch the debate on C-SPAN now, > 11:10 a.m. on Thursday. > > --Michael > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:42:01 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Joni Paintings I can't remember the name of the artist of the original painting Joni imitated on the inside of TI, the title is 'Golden Autumn' or something close to that (according to Cindy). I believe Joni has matured an incredible amount in both her artistic fields. She calls herself a painter first. Good call I say, because I think she is an amazing painter, wonderful. I love the title track to TI, and I love 'Harlem' from TTT, but as whole bodies of work, to me, they don't touch DJRD, her masterpiece IMHO, followed by FTR. All the while her painting skills have escalated. I doubt she'll ever receive proper recognition as a painter. I gave Bill D. TTT for his birthday, and as we walked down the street to have lunch, each of us with our little booklets in front of our faces, we were giddy over the paintings. We both got instantly that she had painted her four fur faces. She wouldn't leave one out and cause a fight, would she? When I got home with TTT, Cindy and I sat on the couch and marveled at the little, tiny reproductions of her paintings. The one of the wave breaking on the rock is wonderful. The one of the man leaning into the light, startlingly beautiful. She said in an interview, the one on "The Original Returns' I believe, that she realized she would not be taken seriously by the art world if she, say, created a painting of her husband holding a cat (not exact quote). Even though to her, this is a beautiful image. So very much like her saying "kiss my ass" to the record industry, she is also saying it to the art world. She continues to sing as she wishes, paint as she wishes. That's why I dig her so. Sherrie gearing up for our DC all Joni weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Raquelita Subject: NJC: anti-Phelps site on another list someone posted that there's now a URL www.godhatesfredphelps.com in response to his godhatesfags.com - I haven't seen it yet myself but I like that style of protest... rachel "go ahead why don't you bless her instead of trying to possess her if you do you will discover everybody really really loves her" -- mark lee - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:48:10 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Re: Shopping at Borders - some Webb content (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki > and also Jimmy Webb's long-awaited book on songwriting, thanks for the tip-off Kakki, I knew Jimmy was writing this book but I didn't know it was out yet. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:46:18 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Joni hearing Walking down the bread and condiment aisle of my favorite Dominick's super market (recently bought by Safeway) and I hear something familiar. "Red taillights on his hide . . . " Night Ride Home in suburban Chicago. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:52:21 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Joni Paintings Sorry if this is a repeat, I sent it in to the list about an hour ago, and it was a no show, so I'm sending it again... JamieJake wrote: I can't remember the name of the artist of the original painting Joni imitated on the inside of TI, the title is 'Golden Autumn' or something close to that (according to Cindy). I believe Joni has matured an incredible amount in both her artistic fields. She calls herself a painter first. Good call I say, because I think she is an amazing painter, wonderful. I love the title track to TI, and I love 'Harlem' from TTT, but as whole bodies of work, to me, they don't touch DJRD, her masterpiece IMHO, followed by FTR. All the while her painting skills have escalated. I doubt she'll ever receive proper recognition as a painter. I gave Bill D. TTT for his birthday, and as we walked down the street to have lunch, each of us with our little booklets in front of our faces, we were giddy over the paintings. We both got instantly that she had painted her four fur faces. She wouldn't leave one out and cause a fight, would she? When I got home with TTT, Cindy and I sat on the couch and marveled at the little, tiny reproductions of her paintings. The one of the wave breaking on the rock is wonderful. The one of the man leaning into the light, startlingly beautiful. She said in an interview, the one on "The Original Returns' I believe, that she realized she would not be taken seriously by the art world if she, say, created a painting of her husband holding a cat (not exact quote). Even though to her, this is a beautiful image. So very much like her saying "kiss my ass" to the record industry, she is also saying it to the art world. She continues to sing as she wishes, paint as she wishes. That's why I dig her so. Sherrie gearing up for our DC all Joni weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:25:35 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: TTT review in yesterday's Post Joni Mitchell, Still Good And Mad By Mike Joyce Special to The Washington Post Wednesday, October 14, 1998; Page C05 While female singer-songwriters half her age and with half her talent continue to be touted as "the new Joni Mitchell," the old Joni Mitchell, now 54, continues to make extraordinary pop music, creating albums full of poetry, passion and opinion. Indeed, if her new release, "Taming the Tiger" (Reprise), illustrates one thing, it's that Mitchell's great craft and defiant spirit remain undiminished by decades of recording and acclaim. Rather than mellowing over the years, Mitchell, who will appear with Bob Dylan Nov. 5 at Cole Field House, seems more determined than ever to express herself candidly in a pop world she believes is almost entirely driven by hype and profits. She vents her contempt for the record industry's starmaker machinery on the album's title track, declaring, "I'm a runaway from the the record biz/ from the hoods in the hood and the whiny white boys./ Boring!" Say what you will about "Taming the Tiger," boring it's not. Mitchell explores a wide range of themes on the album, addressing both social and personal issues, and in so doing reveals anew her special gift for composing artful, thought-provoking ballads laced with airy jazz harmonies. Two of the most memorable songs have a revealing autobiographical slant. "Harlem in Havana" concerns a young white girl who becomes entranced by the sound of black music, a tale inspired by Mitchell's childhood encounter with a traveling burlesque show. "Auntie Ruthie would have cried/ if she knew/ we were on the inside," she sings. Another chapter of her life apparently inspired "Face Lift," which involves a mother and daughter trying to square their irreconcilable views of sexuality. Other songs take a metaphoric shape, a literary device Mitchell mastered a long time ago. And yet for all her deft wordplay, there are times when she doesn't ask the listener to read between the lines. Anger and anguish are clearly evident in her searing verse and in the sound of her voice, which has grown darker and more expressive. On "No Apologies," she does nothing to conceal the outrage she felt upon hearing how the military dealt with a recent incident of rape involving American servicemen in Okinawa: "The general offered no apologies/ He said, 'The soldiers erred in judgment/ They should have hired a hooker!'/ No apologies/ To the outraged Japanese/ No 'Sorry little girl'/ The pigs just took her." Mitchell often relies on unusual guitar and keyboard harmonies to create an atmospheric glow. Several of the sparse arrangements are further enhanced by the soulful contributions of her longtime collaborator, saxophonist Wayne Shorter, and the nimble jazz drummer Brian Blade. The most surprising performance, though, finds Mitchell reprising the Sons of the Pioneers' sentimental hit "My Best to You," with the help of pedal steel guitarist Greg Leisz. The old cowboy song evokes a world brimming with good cheer, an old-fashioned notion that helps bring this frequently disquieting album to a comforting close. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:39:10 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Billboard Review of TTT From: "Wong, Kai" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:11:50 -0400 Here is the Billboard review, it's exactly how I feel about this amazing album, one of my 2 favorite albums of the 90's (the other is Lauryn Hill). I think Joni's voice has never sounded better. Deeply felt, sonically adventurous, and enthralling in its force of mood, Billboard Century Award winner Mitchell's exquisite "Taming The Tiger" once again ups the ante on what it means to be a cutting-edge singer/songwriter in the '90s. From the percolating atmospherics of "Harlem In Havana" to the aching longing in "Man From Mars," the raw anger of "Lead Balloon" or "No Apologies," and the poignant reflection of the title track, this is compositional verve of the highest order, truly painterly in its vision. Gifted musicians like saxophonist Wayne Shorter, drummer Brian Blade, bassist Larry Klein, and pedal steel player Greg Leisz lend Mitchell intuitive textural support throughout. Meanwhile Joni's own incomparable guitar, keyboards, and vocals glow and sear on such eloquent ballads as "Face Lift," "The Crazy Cries Of Love," and especially "Stay In Touch," one of the most lovely songs about emotional attachment ever written. Magnificent. Kai np: Marianne Faithful - Songs of Kurt Weill / 20th Century Blues ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:23:48 -0400 From: "742 - Ainsworth, Cheryl A" Subject: Atlanta Show Hey everyone. I have been out of touch for awhile and wanted to find out how everyone was and who was going to the Atlanta Show on Nov. 7th. I haven't purchased TTT yet but plan on getting it very soon. Tell me what's going on. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:42:00 +0200 From: Robbert Subject: looking for tix Chicago Greetings to all! I am still in search for a pair of good seats for the Chicago concert, October 25th...HELP!! If anyone has any suggestions (i.e. phonenumbers of brokers, etc.) please let me know, I would really appreciate your help :-) I am willing to pay a good price as long as the seats are great. Best, Robbert from The Netherlands, having difficulty concentrating on work with 4 Joni shows coming up... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:12:21 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: green apple epilogue - njc pj wrote: > i told my wife of the green apple situation last night on her cell phone. > her response was exactly as follows: > > 1. well, it wasn't a yellow apple so i guess we can still go. besides, i > just bought her some platform sneakers to get her over the 44" mark for the > rides. (et cetera) HOW COOL! It's a rare thing when we are ALL are correct!!! Hooray for the kids, for pj, for mrs. pj, and everyone!!! Why didn't I think of buying platforms shoe when I was short(er)? Have fun at disney! Lori, thinking what fun it would be to have a JMDL party at disney sometime ... San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:27:22 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC - rates From: "Wong, Kai" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:23:02 -0400 NEW YORK (CNNfn) - The Federal Reserve Thursday said it cut two key interest rates by one-quarter of a percentage point each, citing growing caution among lending institutions and unsettled financial markets. The highly unusual move shocked investors and set U.S. stock and bond markets soaring in late-day trading. By 3:40 p.m., the Dow Jones industrial average had soared more than 300 points to 8,267. Bond markets were also rallying. The Fed said it cut the federal funds rate and the discount rate by one-quarter of a percentage point each. The federal funds rate now stands at 5 percent; the discount rate, which is charged on emergency loans to commercial banks, is set at 4.75 percent. On Sept. 29, the Fed cut the federal funds rate, an overnight bank lending rate that is a benchmark for other short-term interest rates, a quarter percent. The last time the Fed cut the discount rate was January 1996. The move took Wall Street by surprise because the Fed's policy-making Open Market Committee was not scheduled to meet on interest rates again until November. The last time the Fed made a rate-cut move between meetings was in Spring 1994. "This cements the idea that the Fed is truly concerned about the illiquidity in these markets and how this could translate into more financial problems, and ultimately problems with the real economy," said Peter Kretzmer, senior economist at NationsBanc Montgomery Securities. "It's a long way between meetings to Nov. 17. I think (Fed Chairman Alan) Greenspan believes that when all is said and done, he doesn't want to be left holding the bag on this thing. Regards, Kai Wong [Kwong@bev.etn.com] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:00:34 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC Overheard dialogue etc This is a bit off the wall folks, but I just have to share this... You know sometimes you overhear a snatch of dialogue and wonder what conversation could possibly have led up to it? Well, I was setting my radio alarm the other night, and, as I usually do, I switched it on for a couple of seconds to check the volume, then switched it off again. It was pretty late and GLR had been replaced by the BBC World Service. It was only when I switched the radio off that I reflected on the few words I'd heard: "...after he wore musical underwear on board the warship..." I didn't switch the radio back on to discover the provenance of this extraordinary image. It still lingers though. Erm, that's it really. Much Joni, Azeem in London, having not had a drop to drink... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:28:22 EDT From: Charstarl@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) An objectionable Website To AOL Members -- I just forwarded this website to Idaho Women's Network and asked them to forward it to our Human Rights Commission. We held a vigil in Matthew's honor last night on the Capitol Steps. I also filed a complaint about the website with AOL Community Action Service Team at TOS. I urge you to do so as well. If you are upset with this blatantly discriminatory and cruel website please let AOL and your state Human Rights Commission know of your feelings Charlotte* << Reply-to: jtfolden@erinet.com (John T. Folden) To: mwyarbro@zzapp.org (Michael Yarbrough), joni@smoe.org In case no one has heard, the Westboro Babtist Church will be picketing Mr. Shepard's funeral. If you're not familiar with the WBC or Mr. Phelps, you should take a peek at their website. The address, shockingly enough is www.godhatesfags.com Oh, and be sure to read the FAG, it's just lovely (yes, that's dripping with sarcasm). The whole thing makes me incredibly angry. This guy is nuts! > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Yarbrough > > The House is currently debating a resolution condemning Matthew > Shepard's murder. You can watch the debate on C-SPAN now, > 11:10 a.m. on Thursday. > > --Michael > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:27:15 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Lucinda Williams Concert Last night I saw Lucinda Williams in concert in Toronto. I had a wonderful view as I was only a few feet from the stage. Her performance exceeded my expectations - she was absolutely brilliant. I took a friend who had no idea who Lucinda Williams was and when she came away she was totally in awe. Her band was incredible. She sang 21 songs and just blew the crowd away. Her vocals were just absolutely amazing. Lucinda is probably one of the most under-rated musicians in showbiz. Like Joni she doesn't always conform to what others consider to be the norm - she shuns commercialism and doesn't compromise - she has a lot of integrity and is a very respected singer/songwriter and a wonderful poet. If she doesn't win a Grammy for Album of the Year, there is no justice. She is an amazing talent. If you don't own Car Wheels on a Gravel Road, you don't know what you are missing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:06:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) An objectionable Website If only rage worked against such people, we wouldn't have any to worry about. Although I agree the guy is 'nuts' I wouldn't say he was insane. He does what he does in order to keep his self intact. That is not going to be relinquished easily. The more we hate the more he is convinced of his righteousness. Ever tried to reason with a fundamentalists of any belief? What you are arguing against is not their belief but their terror of annihilation which they fear will happen to them if they dare discover the untruth of what they have decided to be true. Most of us believe things not because they are true but because they suit us. People such as this man, like all racists and homophobes or misogynists or anti whatevers, lack the understanding of personal responsibility and must have someone esle to blame for their own lack. They must have an enemy to explain the bad things they feel happen to them. They also tend to choose those enemies according to whom they fear the most. Sad really. I still say shoot the fucker. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:51:34 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:Manson Rememebr a while ago Julie started a thread about this guy? Well now I know what s/he looks like and sounds like! He was just on CNN cos he is doing a concert in NY and some arsehole wants him banned! Remember The Kinks? David Bowie? Have we all been corrupted? God Joni's four letter words and Carly's covers were a shcoking thing back then. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:05:16 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: NJC:Manson Charles Manson or Marilyn Manson? ;-) (Just jokin', colin!) NP-Night Ride Home from Reprise show (My favorite tape!) At 12:51 AM +0100 10/16/98, catman wrote: >Rememebr a while ago Julie started a thread about this guy? Well now I >know what s/he looks like and sounds like! He was just on CNN cos he is >doing a concert in NY and some arsehole wants him banned! >Remember The Kinks? David Bowie? Have we all been corrupted? >God Joni's four letter words and Carly's covers were a shcoking thing >back then. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:23:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC:Manson Marilyn it must have been-no where near as whacko as Charles who i gather would look very old now! Mark Domyancich wrote: > Charles Manson or Marilyn Manson? ;-) > > (Just jokin', colin!) > > NP-Night Ride Home from Reprise show (My favorite tape!) > > At 12:51 AM +0100 10/16/98, catman wrote: > >Rememebr a while ago Julie started a thread about this guy? Well now I > >know what s/he looks like and sounds like! He was just on CNN cos he is > >doing a concert in NY and some arsehole wants him banned! > >Remember The Kinks? David Bowie? Have we all been corrupted? > >God Joni's four letter words and Carly's covers were a shcoking thing > >back then. > > ___________________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | > | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | > |_________________________________| - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #419 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?