From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 414 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Orlando@jmdl.com -Tampa@jmdl.com Sunrise@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Love Puts On A New Face [Howard Wright ] NJC: Money and Anthropology [Howard Wright ] Re: TTT thoughts and questions ["Philipf" ] Canadian accent in TTT [Howard Wright ] TTT stories (fiction) [Hassan Zubairi ] Shadows and Light Video [cco@xs4all.nl] Joni on WFUV [JAN201@aol.com] Re: BarBearUh Trashing [MHart16164@aol.com] joni on radio [Jerry Notaro ] Re: joni's place in the record stores [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Rolling Stone, etc. [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: TTT stories (fiction) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: attitude & so forth (jc) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: NJC: Money [Diana Duncan ] Re: Fwd: TTT Lyrics [Howard Motyl ] NJC: Bumper Stickers [Roger Walker ] Joni in Chicago [Steve Dulson ] Love Puts On A New Face [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Chinese Restaurant in NYC [Lisa Molin ] Re: Bumper Stickers ["Marsha" ] Bumper Sticker Ideas ["Don Rowe" ] TTT, etc. [Wally Breese ] JM in US [jan gyn ] COMING IN FROM THE COLD (NJC) [Jeff & Vicki Harris ] Matthew Shepard (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: TTT stories (fiction) ["Kakki" ] Re: TTT, etc. Response [Charstarl@aol.com] Re: NJC: Bumper Stickers [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: joni list content (again!!) - NJC [jan gyn ] canadian vowels won't you come out tonight [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Bumper Stickers ["Don Rowe" ] JM Producers (JC) [Dmascall@aol.com] JM Producers (JC) [Dmascall@aol.com] enuf already (njc) -message from michael moore [Bill Dollinger ] Re: yawning (was Joni in Chicago) [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: JM Producers - Brian Eno (JC) [Dmascall@aol.com] another joy askew showcase (njc) [trxschwa ] Re: yawning (was Joni in Chicago) [Mark or Travis ] Re: Bumper Stickers [LRFye@aol.com] Re: NJC: Bumper Stickers [Charstarl@aol.com] be cool (SJC) [Helen Gill ] Re: canadian accent/german [Helen Gill ] Re: TTT Lyrics ["Eric Taylor" ] happy birthday, michael yarbrough (njc) [trxschwa ] Impressions of the Tiger (All Joni Content - Long) [Mark or Travis Subject: Love Puts On A New Face Steve Dulson wrote: >4) Love Puts On A New Face is really growing on me. Now, I may be >dumb, but what exactly does the French proverb she quotes mean? >That each day you see something new in your lover, or your >relationship? Or each day you fall in love with someone new? Or...??? I'd say it was the first. Everyday you see a new angle on a loving relationship, or you see the love expressed in a new way. Howard W. ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Formula music, girly guile Genuine junk food for juveniles Up and down the dial Mercenary style - Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:11:29 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: Money and Anthropology Paul I wrote: >From the perspective of the other side (of the pond, I guess), Colin, I >found it difficult at first to use both English and French money because >the denominations are not prominent. Obviously, they rely on the >differentiation in design and color to tell them apart, One other thing: size matters ;-) The UK notes have different sizes which also helps to tell them apart. I too had problems with the bills when I came to the USA. Same colour and size - only the numbers change. I guess it's just tradition ... but it seems to make sense to use several ways to distinguish notes (size, colour, design) so that people with colour blindness or visual impairments have a way to sort them out. In the UK (and probably elsewhere) there are textured parts of the notes, so that (with practice) you can tell them apart just by feeling them! Here in Scotland we have three versions of *each* note! Each of the scottish banks prints their own notes, so you have three different 5 pound notes, three tenners etc. With the English ones as well, that makes four versions for each denomination - a bit OTT perhaps, but it's fun to watch the confused faces of foreign visitors! Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:10:38 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Re: TTT thoughts and questions - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki >Marsha says Anna is Betsy ><;-D>, I mean, Anna Maria Alberghetti. I'd wager that Anna is Anna Magnani. This is getting too advanced for me. I'm still trying to find out who's Dora and Betsy. Who's the fella in Tin Angel ? Help ! I'm a fool. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:18:01 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Canadian accent in TTT >>Dmascall@aol.com wrote: >> >> Am I the only person to think that Joni says the OUT in >> "Without at least on big boohoo" in "Man from Mars" with a distinctly >> Canadian accent? Terry wrote: >I hear that Canadian accent a number of times- "out" is one of them. Darn >if I can remember the others right now. That line in Lead Balloon: "It's the Irish blood, eh?" is a dead give away!!! Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:08:15 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: TTT stories (fiction) Coyotes I may be taking things too face value here but is 'FaceLift' about her relationship with her mother? ;-) You can imagine it: this record producer executive says to Joni,'Hey Mo said that we should talk. I have some ideas about your new record.' Joni counts to ten and breathes deeply. 'Okay,' she says,'I'll meet you at the Daily Grill for drinks in half.' And puts the phone down. Driving to Brentwood, the traffic is getting up her nose and on her skin and finally rolls in to the driveway where she can finally give up the car to a matador. He smiles at her but this time she does't return his smile. 'Funny, somethin's up with Joni.' And swerves her car into a bay like a date into her seat. Neat, clean, damn sexy. She sees this exec sitting at the bar and steels herself for this meeting. The bartender has already poured her tequila as she sits down next to the suit. They greet with politic warmth and talk about the weather. But Joni is now defensive and restless as he opens the batting about the new album. Apparently he has some ideas about her new sound which she has been toting around. 'Maybe,' he says,'You should sound a bit more like Kiss.' 'Kiss? My ass' She says and threw her drink, tequila trickling down his business suit.... Okay okay. I this is a piece of fiction and shouldn't be taken seriously. It made me laugh. But I am the kinda guy that laughs my own jokes.This perhaps should be reserved for the writer's contest. Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:53:41 +0200 (CEST) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: Shadows and Light Video I've been looking for years for the Shadows and Light video (VHS, 'European' system), with no success. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, Monica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:34:14 EDT From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: Joni on WFUV Hi guys- For those of you lucky enough to be within the listening area of WFUV 90.7 fm out of Fordham University in the Bronx, NY, Joni will be the featured artist on Wednesday, October 28. In a listener's poll she came in as Music Master #3 after #2 Beatles and #1 Dylan. Should be a good show and the timing is great! See you at MSG! - -Jan in Hoboken PS- that #3 is no fault of mine! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:35:52 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: BarBearUh Trashing "anytime you are on this earth to accomplish something..." Sounds a bit harsh, Howard. TTT is still good. I haven't listened to it quite enough to fully appreciate it, but I do know that it is better that it was made rather than not. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:38:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: joni on radio In the past half hour our glorious WUSF played In France They Kiss on Main Street from S&L and Gallery from BBC Concert. I sent my pledge in! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:39:54 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's place in the record stores Walmart puts her in the Pop section. Walmart only has two catagories, pop and country. I think they picked the right poison. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:44:02 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Rolling Stone, etc. lori-- new orleans is also fairly musically shallow as far as radio stations go. I called and requested--they made fun of me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:06:01 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: TTT stories (fiction) JamieJake writes with great mirth ... >Apparently he has some ideas about her new sound which he has been toting around. > >'Maybe,' he says,'You should sound a bit more like Kiss.' > >'Kiss? My ass' She says and threw her drink, tequila trickling down his business suit.... > Actually, there's a way to test see if this is fiction. John Fogerty will often sing "There's a bathroom on the right" in concert, an historic mis-hearing of "Bad Moon On The Rise." So all we need to do is listen carefully to the next set of joni shows, and see if she sings: Kiss?, I said, My ass! And I threw my drink! With my ears pealed for this one in Chi-Town (12 days and counting) Don Rowe ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:12:30 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: attitude & so forth (jc) In a message dated 10/13/98 12:54:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trxschwa@bway.net writes: << and completely outside of the subject matter of the artists she reveres. that's where i see a huge growth. never before has her art truly said, ' i don't give a fuck, i'll paint what i want'. never. >> I have puposely stayed out of any and all discussion on Joni's paintings for two reasons. One, I've never seen one in person. Two, what I've seen in print has never impressed me. Ok, I lied. Three: if Joni ever reads this on the list, she surely will never invite me for tea and tuna fish sandwiches. Joni's work always looked to me to be contrived efforts to imitate her heros. She does have one hell of a good eye and her technique is right up there. But what I feel that's lacking is a vision that can stand up on it's own. The language, the message falls flat (for me). I agree with Patrick's statement above- the TTT series has more personal paintings, where all you see is Joni behind the brush. To me, that is growth. Boy, am I putting myself on the line here, because I am a Joni worshiper. I think she is one of the best composers/musicians of all time. And TTT has grabbed and swallowed me. It is much different from her last two pieces, but I love the way it feels stripped, yet full bodied. Sometimes less is more, y'know? Terry, waiting for the arrows ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:30:38 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: NJC: Money Howard Wright wrote: >The UK notes have different sizes > USA. Same colour and>size - only the numbers change. >seems to make sense to use several ways to distinguish notes (size, >colour, design) so that people with colour blindness or visual impairments >have a way to sort them out. In the UK (and probably elsewhere) there are >textured parts of the notes, so that (with practice) you can tell them >apart just by feeling them! I know this is an old thread and completely NJC but I found this interesting. How *do* the visually impaired in the US tell the difference between a 20,5,1? Is there a different textured part of the new bills to tell them apart? I remember a post from someone who was fascinated with the new look. I think they are very stylish. I hope that the bureaucracy was insightful enough to think about non visual people. Anyone know? BTW, Howard, how do you use all these different bills in the pop machines? You can tell I don't travel outside of the US much. Do they just use coin? Diana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:44:48 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Fwd: TTT Lyrics > Subject: TTT Lyrics > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:48:45 -0400 > From: "Eric Taylor" > To: "JMDL" > > Hey all you cats out there in Joniland~ > Tonight I received my first jmdl digest since I left for upstate NY last > June. It's good to be back! > Howard M wrote: > >The lyrics of TTT are not great... > >They are not nuanced, textured, deep. > >They aren't even very poetic. > >Take our favorite JM album and compare the lyrics > >and you'll see the difference. > >I *like* TTT but I do not think it is great. > While I might agree that Lead Balloon really sucks the rest of the record > shines! Why do people always have to compare an artists new work to their > old stuff? I wouldn't like Joni nearly as much if she stuck to a formula. Why is it when someone says they want the *quality* of the work to reach the heights of the *quality* of an artist's earlier work that people read that as one's wanting to hear the exact same record over and over. That is ridiculous. I would never want to hear the same record over and over and this is the reason why I don't own a lot of albums of one particular artist or group. *Except* for Joni Mitchell. I love her because she does not have a formula and I am not suggesting she adopt one, ever. What I spoke about in my post was that, in my opinion, the lyrics were not up to the high standards of previous Joni lyrics. > What keeps me interested in her albums is that they are all so different. > TTT is a masterpiece lyrically, musically & artistically. The more I hear it > the more I adore it. To me it's not her words but rather her phrasing that > turns me on. ARe you implying the lyrics aren't turning you on? ;-) > Joni's instrumentation has never sounded better to me. I just love the > percussive guitar riff at the beginning of The Crazy Cries Of Love (a song > with lyrics as wonderful as anything she's ever done). Its telling that the one song you point for great lyrics was not written by Joni. If you like the percussive beginning of Crazy Cries, then you should love the beginning of Turbulent Indigo, because it is almost exactly the same . . . > Oh, & Julie, I'd like to hear Joni cover Vincent by Don McLean... I actually wanted to post this yesterday. It is a brilliant choice for a cover--brilliant, of course, because I agree with you. :-) > E.T. > NP: Tiger Bones - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions 16101 South 108th Avenue Orland Park, IL 60462 708-873-3190 708.873.3177 Fax http://www.mpimedia.com "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:59:38 -0400 From: Roger Walker Subject: NJC: Bumper Stickers Greetings! A couple of folks have asked about the bumper stickers so I thought I'd bring this back up for more discussion. Do we want to produce jmdl bumperstickers? If so, can we decide on one style as the "official" design? Since the concerts are coming up very soon.. we ought to get this figured out.. this way we can have them for the showz! Here's what's been submitted. SIQUOMB, isn't she? JoniMitchell.com JMDL.com Taming the Tiger in my tank! Any other ideas? Thanks! - -- rog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:13:55 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni in Chicago Azeem wrote: >I might have missed something here, but does anybody actually KNOW that Joni >didn't do an encore simply because someone yawned? It sounds like one of >those myths in the making I posted a desciption of the event, written by a board member of the Old Town Scholl of Folk Music, who was in the audience, and backstage afterwards. The jmdl archives will have it - it was end of Sept./beginning of Oct. Our own Dougie mentions Joni making a remark about yawning in his review on Wally's site. The review from Chicago DJ Rich Warren also mentions the "rumor" that she didn't do an encore because of the guy yawning. Check the archives, it's all there: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:27:27 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Love Puts On A New Face Steve Dulson asked about what the heck the "love puts on new mascara" line means. As a francophile, I can't believe that I've missed this saying, but the more I listen to the song, the more I zero in on the interpretation that love just takes a licking and goes on ticking mentality. She says that there are "some bad dreams even love can't erase," (I disagree), as well as "...unhappy when you get this way," and other battles between the pleasurable aspects of love and the nitty gritty of life. I like the song a lot, more for its components rather than the sum of its parts and I do find the "love puts on a new face" a bit of an awkward fit. In my mind, anyhow. MG - pondering, not accounting this morning. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:37:06 +0100 From: Lisa Molin Subject: Chinese Restaurant in NYC To respond to TerryM2442@aol.com post: Joe's Shanghai is a delicious restaurant in Chinatown. The decor is not fancy, but the food is spectacular. Call information for their telephone number - I believe they take reservations. Bon apetit! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:44:07 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Walker To: Joni Mitchell listserv Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:01 AM Subject: NJC: Bumper Stickers >SIQUOMB, isn't she? >JoniMitchell.com >JMDL.com >Taming the Tiger in my tank! > >Any other ideas? "Joni Mitchell Never Lies" See you in Nashville, Rog, where I can pick up my sticker! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:44:33 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Bumper Sticker Ideas How about ... "E-Mail's a Repetitious Danger ... jmdl.com" Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 09:56:50 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: TTT, etc. Hello everybody, I've had what I think is a revelation concerning the CD package for Joni's new album, Taming The Tiger. As Kakki mentioned recently, Joni has four cats- Nietsche (aka Man From Mars), Pansy, El Cafe and Mojo. If we start with the painting on the front cover of the CD, that's cat #1. Then if we open up the jewel box, we see two more cats, cat #2 on the back of the enclosed booklet, and cat #3 on the disc itself (and under it). Finally, on the back cover we see a photograph of cat #4. These are obviously four different cats, and I think these are images of all of Joni's kitties. Last month (September), JoniMitchell.com had over 49,000 visitors. And It looks like we'll pass well over 50,000 for this month, especially since Joni's new album is out, she's getting lots of press, and she'll be touring again. Our ranks are swelling! As for a health update- I've just begun Week #3 of 5 total weeks of radiation treatments. It's extremely energy sapping but luckily I haven't had any major side-effects. For the treatments, I lie on my stomach on a sliding tray table, and the techs slide me into the machine and then aim x-ray beams at my pelvis from four directions. Imagine getting an x-ray (which usually takes about 1 second) but this time it lasts for 30 seconds. That's 30 seconds X 4 directions. Fortunately, the worst effect so far is a wearying feeling that creeps in quite often. I'm sorry to see the disappearance of a few list members due to an altercation with another member. I have to say that the energy utilized in dramatically vacating the list would be more useful in helping to build up our community. I don't always like everybody on the list all the time, but if I'm pissed at somebody, I just ignore them. I'd like those who are thinking of unsubscribing to please hold on and try to work things out. We need everyone. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:06:20 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: JM in US There's a JM article in the current issue of US, complete with high school yearbook picture. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:10:55 -0400 From: Jeff & Vicki Harris Subject: COMING IN FROM THE COLD (NJC) Hello all, This is my first post after eavesdropping for quite some time. (I had some concern that "loose wires would be lashing out at me"...since I'm not sure if I'm up to date on list ettiquette.) Anyway, I love the JMDL and the varied opinions I hear on Joni's work. Thanks for being here. Vicki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:48:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: that "Boo Hoo" line again (JC) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:33:49 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Terry writes: > In a message dated 10/12/98 6:54:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dmascall@aol.com > writes: > > << Am I the only person to think that Joni says the OUT in > "Without at least on big boohoo" in "Man from Mars" with a distinctly > Canadian accent?>> > > I hear that Canadian accent a number of times- "out" is one of them. Darn if I > can remember the others right now. > Perhaps the GOES in "See how that feeling comes and goes" on Hejira -- "A Strange Boy?" She almost says "GOOs", and I've always wondered if that could be attributed to a Canadian accent of her's. Winfried, glad as hell his German accent does not show up in email communication. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:33:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Matthew Shepard (NJC) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:16:33 -0400 From: Alex Neubert You've probably heard or read in the news about the death of Matthew Shepard, the 21 year gay Univ. of Wyoming student who was brutally beaten and died yesterday. I am planning to send a contribution to The Matthew Shepard Memorial Fund, if any of the JMDL would like me to send their contribution along with mine please send a check, payable to The Matthew Shepard Memorial Fund, to my house (1651 Adams Street, Hollywood, FL 33020), or if you would prefer, you can mail your check directly to The Matthew Shepard Memorial Fund, c/o First National Bank, PO Box 578, Fort Collins, CO 80522, Account No. 1926083. Thank you. Alex Neubert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:37:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: TTT stories (fiction) >'Maybe,' he says,'You should sound a bit more like Kiss.' > >'Kiss? My ass' She says and threw her drink, tequila trickling down his business suit.... Jamie, this is brilliant!! Just yesterday I was recalling Bill D.'s entertaining Joni fiction series "Adventures of Black Crow" and wishing for a new installment. And now you've introduced "Daily Adventures at The Grill." I love it! Kakki NP: dwti - The Scooters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:00:45 EDT From: Charstarl@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT, etc. Response Wally, Thank you for the insight on the CD packaging. After taking another look I have to concur with your assessment of the individual cats being represented. I almost left the list over the silly namecalling and bickering. "Boring! the Old Man is snoring!" but decided that the Universe had just shifted a little on its' axis and change happens constantly. I decided to wait this lull out and it does seem to me that things are picking up again on JMDL. I was glad to hear your health report. I don't know you but I do know and appreciate your work for the promotion of our beloved Joni's art and also for the JMDL. Be well, my friend and I for one am remembering you in my prayers... Char* in Spudland << Hello everybody, I've had what I think is a revelation concerning the CD package for Joni's new album, Taming The Tiger. As Kakki mentioned recently, Joni has four cats- Nietsche (aka Man From Mars), Pansy, El Cafe and Mojo. If we start with the painting on the front cover of the CD, that's cat #1. Then if we open up the jewel box, we see two more cats, cat #2 on the back of the enclosed booklet, and cat #3 on the disc itself (and under it). Finally, on the back cover we see a photograph of cat #4. These are obviously four different cats, and I think these are images of all of Joni's kitties. Last month (September), JoniMitchell.com had over 49,000 visitors. And It looks like we'll pass well over 50,000 for this month, especially since Joni's new album is out, she's getting lots of press, and she'll be touring again. Our ranks are swelling! As for a health update- I've just begun Week #3 of 5 total weeks of radiation treatments. It's extremely energy sapping but luckily I haven't had any major side-effects. For the treatments, I lie on my stomach on a sliding tray table, and the techs slide me into the machine and then aim x-ray beams at my pelvis from four directions. Imagine getting an x-ray (which usually takes about 1 second) but this time it lasts for 30 seconds. That's 30 seconds X 4 directions. Fortunately, the worst effect so far is a wearying feeling that creeps in quite often. I'm sorry to see the disappearance of a few list members due to an altercation with another member. I have to say that the energy utilized in dramatically vacating the list would be more useful in helping to build up our community. I don't always like everybody on the list all the time, but if I'm pissed at somebody, I just ignore them. I'd like those who are thinking of unsubscribing to please hold on and try to work things out. We need everyone. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:12:48 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Bumper Stickers "I'm traveling in this vehicle, a defector from the petty wars..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:37:10 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: joni list content (again!!) - NJC << How many blondes does it take to tune a guitar..... >> None; everything tunes to THEM. - -jan (black hair, bleak attitude) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:32:37 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lasater Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Roger Walker wrote: > Any other ideas? "My other car is a Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:39:43 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: canadian vowels won't you come out tonight that canadian twang... "shacked up, DOUWNTOUWN with a license..." "same old sacred COUW" "the GAASUPS had a gourmet feast" (in a manner reminiscent of dem upper midwest minnesotians with the scandihoovian broad flat 'oh Yah'- as heard in fargo) ufdah! doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:54:31 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers Hmmm ... how about: "Don Juan's Reckless Driver? Write www.jmdl.com" "If you can read this you must be Jackson Browne" (very small type) thisisajokethisisajokethisisajoke ... :-) "Follow me to Barangrill" "My honor student is a Joni Mitchell fan." I'll keep at it ... this is fun. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:14:38 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: JM Producers (JC) Howard Motyl wrote Re: BarBearUh Trashing >I read some of what Barbara wrote in her review of TTT and I have to >agree wholeheartedly with one of her suggestions: JM should get a >producer How about Eno? Then we could have ended up with "Taming Tiger Mountain by Strategy". David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:14:38 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: JM Producers (JC) Howard Motyl wrote Re: BarBearUh Trashing >I read some of what Barbara wrote in her review of TTT and I have to >agree wholeheartedly with one of her suggestions: JM should get a >producer How about Eno? Then we could have ended up with "Taming Tiger Mountain by Strategy". David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: enuf already (njc) -message from michael moore got this from someone and thought i'd pass it along to those interested (tho i don't want to discuss this issue anymore, i like what moore has to say.) bill Michael Moore Newsletter #11 October, 8, 1998 Dear Friends... Ok, I've had it. The right wing is trying to overturn a national election because... they didn't like the results! This must be stopped. I would like to propose a legal act of civil disobedience that could send the Right into near oblivion. I am not a member of the Democratic Party. To me, they are a barely-tolerable version of the Republicans. I did not vote for Clinton in 1996. I had voted for him in '92, but could not in good conscience vote for him again (NAFTA, welfare, etc.). We had the lowest turnout ever in 1996, but the majority who could stomach that pathetic choice on the ballot went and voted for Bill Clinton. That was the will of the people. And that is the will the Republicans are trying to subvert. All the public opinion polls -- New York Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN -- have said the same thing over and over: The American public does NOT want impeachment. Yet, Congress has decided to tell the public to take a flying %$#& and has moved ahead with the impeachment process anyway. This is their fatal mistake and it will be their undoing. I have never seen the American public so fed up and disgusted that they are ready to do anything now to stop this madness. I wish our members of Congress had listened to the polls. But they haven't. So, now we have to make them listen to the other polls, the only ones they understand -- the polls that are filled with voting booths on November 3. The act of civil disobedience I am calling for is for each and every American to go to the polls on November 3 and vote for the Democratic candidate for Congress on your ballot. That's right, my fellow cynics and progressives-- the only way to send a true message to the right wing is to throw every Republican out of office. I'm talking about a backlash the likes of which American politics has never seen. If you think this is something that can't happen, I need only point to the national election In Canada in 1993 when the voters threw all but two members of the Conservative Party out of Parliament. In 1995, in Great Britain, the people of Scotland and Wales removed every single member of the Torries from Parliament -- that's right, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Now it's our turn in America. Each of us must do all that we can to get our fellow citizens out to vote on November 3. The Republicans are hoping and praying that the turnout will be low, figuring that the public, especially those who had voted for and trusted Clinton, is so burned out on politicians and politics that they are just going to stay home. They know, though, that their own diehard conservative supporters WILL be at the polls, come hell or high water. I realize a lot of you have had it and probably want to turn your back on the whole damn thing. I don't blame you. But if we don't vote, we're essentially placing our democracy in the hands of some very bad people and we will surely suffer the consequences of this for years to come. Yes, most of the Democrats suck. I rarely vote for the sorry, wishy-washy losers. But this election is not about how I feel about them -- it's about US using THEM to whack the right wing for good. Imagine if the Democrats are voted in by overwhelming numbers (when all the pundits are predicting a Republican landslide). The message would be loud and clear to all these new Democrats -- THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WANTS THE AGENDA OF THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT REMOVED FROM THE HALLS OF OUR UNITED STATES CONGRESS! Yes, we would then have to stay on these Democrats to make sure they behave and vote the way we want them to. But that's a whole lot better than allowing individuals to stay in office who want to subvert the will of the American people because they would actually prefer a theocracy over a democracy. I wish we had more than two political parties and I will continue to work toward that goal. Two parties cannot represent the broad spectrum of political thought in a country of 270 million people. But that is not the mission before us. If you want to stop this witch hunt, if you want Congress to start focusing on the REAL problems facing the country and the world, then the ONLY way this nonsense is going to stop is to throw the bums out. Find out who the Democrat is who is running in your district: www.democrats.org/action/, and then call up his/her headquarters and volunteer to help turn out the vote. If you aren't registered, there is still time to do so in 22 of the 50 states: www.netvote98.mci.com, though the deadline for many of them is tomorrow (Friday, October 9). Then get out and vote November 3. Hold your nose if you have to. This is a one-issue election and if you want the impeachment stopped -- and I assure you, you have the power to stop it at 8:01 PM that evening of November 3--you must remove the Republicans in your districts. I can think of a lot of reasons why Clinton should not be President. Staining a blue dress from The Gap is not one of them. Enough is enough. Yours, Michael Moore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:33 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: New threads - a patchwork of covers (SJC) In a message dated 10/7/98 2:28:34AM, slarty@total.net writes: << > > how about suggesting the most > > inappropriate artists to cover Joni songs? Barry White-Circle Game Bob Dylan-Paprika Plains Leon Redbone-Taxfree >> This made me chuckle out loud! My contributions would be: Michael Bolton: Black Crow The Spice Girls: The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay Tindersticks - Help Me Rolling Stones - He Played Real Good For Free * Azeem in London *(apologies about explaining a joke, a cardinal sin I know, but people outside the UK may not be aware that they postponed some UK shows earlier this year for tax reasons) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:42 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL UK bulletin - TTT on the BBC In a message dated 10/9/98 1:19:23AM, rob.jordan@which.net writes: << My report from our UK meeting last Saturday is overdue: it was great to meet our visitor David Wright before he headed off to hear Bang on a Can play Eno. We have lots of musical interests in common, besides Joni. Jamie got out of rehearsal early and was able to meet us for some very fast food before the Dar Williams concert. Jamie and I met up with Colin & John on our way into the Dar concert - sadly David missed meeting Colin. It was great to finally meet Colin. And he is as talkative as I expected!! I >> Hey, these things are getting to be a habit! Sorry I couldn't make it, but hopefully the next one. Anyone going to see Lloyd Cole/Jill Sobule Oct 27 or Lucinda Williams Nov 22?? Much Joni, Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:35 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: I Love Joni Mitchell! As a PERSON! In a message dated 10/7/98 4:34:34PM, les@jmdl.com writes: << Liz and I are obscure non-celebrities from the sticks (we ARE amazing in our own ways, I'm not being modest) but we were nobody to Joni and she could not have expected anything in return but she was gracious and good humored and nice to us--just because, in my opinion, it was a decent human thing to do. >> I second that; having met Joni a few years ago, about which I posted a couple of months ago, I can only say that she was delightful and charming, taking time (she was already late for her interview) to meet a couple of fans and sign our LPs, and acknowledging us when she saw us at the exhibition a few days later. She's only human, and [as that nice Mr Clinton knows!] one act of kindness may go unnoticed, but if she's stupid/unlucky enough to say the wrong thing to the wrong person, millions of people get to hear about it, and that may well be the only thing they've heard about her in years. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:38 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: 95% NJC: Opera and vibrato In a message dated 10/8/98 10:01:48AM, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk writes: << I think vibrato is a wonderful effect, but like so much, has the greatest impact when it is used sparingly. I love hearing singers who can hold a notes without wavering a fraction, but can also add vibrato to some notes to add expression. >> What's also interesting is a singer who uses NO vibrato AT ALL. The one who springs to mind is Suzanne Vega, whose singing I've always loved, but it took me ages to figure out why: no vib! It lends her voice a childlike quality, which, added to the subtle colour she employs and - not least - 'cos she hits the notes, unlike a lot of children! Personally, I'm not a big fan of operatic vibrato; I love the human voice in its natural beauty, even with imperfections, and I can't hep feeling that NOBODY sings like that naturally. Classical singing is a very arcane art form, which has to be learned and mastered. I can admire it, but it's not what really moves me, on the whole (yes, there are exceptions, such as Jessye Norman singing Richard Strauss's Four Last Songs). Azeem, posting a lot today. So it goes. Ashara, that recipe will be next, honest! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:33:30 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Festive Joni In a message dated 10/7/98 0:09:05AM, jason.maloney@virgin.net writes: << Maybe it's a UK-only trait, but Joni's version of my Best To You could stand a great chance of chart success if released as a "Christmas" single...... >> I say, what a damned splendid idea old chap (because, um, we all talk like that round these parts:-). Seriously, I think you're right Jason. Stranger things have happened in living memory: Buffy Sainte-Marie having a top forty hit 5 or 6 years ago; the Mavericks in the top ten and bringing a sorely needed dose of class to "Top of the Pops"; Celine Dion losing her voice (oh alright, I made that one up, but we can all dream). What about some blatant lobbying?? Azeem in London, digesting the contents of a weird and wonderful newsletter from Jane Siberry - incidentally, I don't remember Joni ever namechecking Siberry. I hope she's aware of Sib, as she's everything a great artist should be: gifted, mercurial, idiosyncratic, totally independent (she runs Sheeba records literally single-handed) and inspirational. I've probably said this before, but "Oh My My" is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music I've ever heard. A spiritual path set to music. Peace... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:00:51 -0400 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: RE: Festive Joni Actually, it's pretty funny because a friend, hearing that track for the first time suggested the exact same thing... and he's not a die hard Joni fan in the slightest. In fact, he suprisingly seems to like quite a bit on TTT and he's never mentioned much at all about her before (despite the fact that I've played her regularly around him for the last 10 years). > -----Original Message----- > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > In a message dated 10/7/98 0:09:05AM, jason.maloney@virgin.net writes: > > << Maybe it's a UK-only trait, but Joni's version of my Best To You could > stand a great chance of chart success if released as a "Christmas" > single...... >> > > I say, what a damned splendid idea old chap (because, um, we all talk like > that round these parts:-). Seriously, I think you're right > Jason. Stranger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 22:39:23 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: yawning (was Joni in Chicago) OK, I gotta jump in on this thread before it dies (suprised it hasn't already). Now I (sadly) wasn't at the Old Town School on 9/18 to witness the performance - -- and if I were I my eyes would have been fixed on the stage like Doug's -- but I have a sneaking suspicion that there were MANY yawns throught the night, not just one guy in the front row. Maybe the dinner was heavy, maybe the AC was on very low in deference to Joni's allergies, or maybe many were actually bored (how many of us have met people who weren't Joni fans?). This was a fundraiser at $5K/couple, there may have been some who liked/knew of Joni, but this was not a fan event. She did write "get some sleep, Chicago" -- not "get some sleep, guy in front row" on the dressing room wall, right? Besides, look at Joni in any concert video, she scans the audience meticulously, almost as if she's looking for familiar faces. She's very AWARE of her audience. My hunch is that the guy is the front row was the straw that broke the camel's back, in what appeared to her to be a sea of yawns all evening. And I could understand her devastation and refusal to do an encore if this were the case. -Kenny On 10/13/98 Steve Dulson wrote: I posted a description of the event, written by a board member of the Old Town Scholl of Folk Music, who was in the audience, and backstage afterwards. The jmdl archives will have it - it was end of Sept./beginning of Oct. Our own Dougie mentions Joni making a remark about yawning in his review on Wally's site. The review from Chicago DJ Rich Warren also mentions the "rumor" that she didn't do an encore because of the guy yawning. Check the archives, it's all there: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ Best, Steve Dulson Azeem wrote: I might have missed something here, but does anybody actually KNOW that Joni didn't do an encore simply because someone yawned? It sounds like one of those myths in the making ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:22:24 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Producers - Brian Eno (JC) I was being serious at first - and then the pun came to me - but I'd love to hear the results too. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:07:20 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: another joy askew showcase (njc) chris kornmann has gotten back to me to say the cover is no more than $8.00 for this show, possibly only $6. i hope even the neediest can partake (nytimes in-joke) . join us. please post if you will. patrick np - van in san jose, 5/98 Joy Askew with her band Friday, October 16th at SHINE 285 West Broadway at Canal Street 9:00 pm (doors 8:30) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:09:23 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: yawning (was Joni in Chicago) Kenny Grant wrote: > but I have a sneaking suspicion that there were MANY yawns throught the night, > not just one guy in the front row. > > Maybe the dinner was heavy, maybe the AC was on very low in deference to Joni's > allergies, or maybe many were actually bored (how many of us have met people > who weren't Joni fans?). This was a fundraiser at $5K/couple, there may have > been some who liked/knew of Joni, but this was not a fan event. Ok I just want to say one last thing on this incident. Some of the people who were upset with Joni over her refusal to perform the encore were quick to defend the guy who yawned. Maybe he didn't get much sleep the night before, maybe there was another good reason but give him the benefit of the doubt. So why can't we, the people who love this woman's art, give *her* the benefit of the doubt? Doug was the only one of us who was there. The rest of don't really know how it all went down. Maybe, as Kenny suggests, there was good reason for Joni to react the way she did. Maybe that audience really didn't deserve that encore. We've certainly seen video evidence of audiences that were less than appreciative of a Joni performance. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:37:17 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: jmdler love affair (NJC) >Kakki-luv, rumor has it that "NJC" themes are being put on the back >burner, well, 'steve', 'michael y', 'kakki' and 'julie', i think you all doth protest too much. i mean, who is asked to WRITE all of that vile non-joni content? who, i ask you? and if that weren't enough, i'm paid to blaspheme our joni. after the day i was told to defame her fetching hairstyle and oh-so-flattering-jumper-ensemble in 'refuge of the roads' i needed to say 45 'hail joni's and listen to 'dancing clown' seven times before i could happily share the surface of this earth with our lady. patrick deesayoke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:02:47 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers I'm with Marsha, who votes: > "Joni Mitchell Never Lies" but I'm also thinking that "www.jonimitchell.com" would make a good "companion" sticker (for the opposite side of the bumper?) ... Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:12:03 EDT From: Charstarl@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Bumper Stickers My vote is for the this one! It sums it all up for me... We could add JMDL.com in smaller print. Great Idea and so original. Char* "I'm traveling in this vehicle, a defector from the petty wars..." - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:16:19 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: be cool (SJC) today I heard a fairly bad rendition of be cool on the radio. Joni did write this song though didn't she? or maybe not. anyway the singer was just trying to sound like Joni anyway and the only good bit was a sax solo and a piano one aswell. and not a single whisper "fire and ice fire and ice fire and ice fiiiiirrrreee..." yee har. helly. http://fly.to/helly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:36:14 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: canadian accent/german RE: canadian accents > Perhaps the GOES in "See how that feeling comes and goes" on Hejira -- > "A Strange Boy?" > She almost says "GOOs", and I've always wondered if that could be > attributed to a Canadian accent of her's. I find also in a song which i cannot think of right now she says "paradise" as "peradise".....and the one and only best one of all-how could anyone let it go by- Slooching towards Bethlehem to be born! > Winfried, > glad as hell his German accent does not show up in email communication. > :-) Which, Winfried I find is very disappointing! Although the umlaut in your name comes out for my poor computer as a little box! Where abouts is Goettingen in Germany? I am studying German at the moment and looking for nice places for when I visit! Tschuss! (can't do either umlauts or ss's on this old machine!) helen. http://fly.to/helly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:41:16 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: TTT Lyrics E.T. >>To me it's not her words but rather her phrasing that turns me on. H.M. >ARe you implying the lyrics aren't turning you on? ;-) E.T. Joni's poetry is usually the last thing that syncs in. I don't even read the words unless I can't make out what she's singing, which is almost never. Her voice could make a Milli Vanilli composition sound great. I appreciate Joni's guitar & piano playing most, followed by her vocals, her arrangments, her artwork, and last but not least, her lyrics. H.M. >Its telling that the one song you point for great lyrics was not written by Joni. If you like the percussive beginning of Crazy Cries, then you should love the beginning of Turbulent Indigo, because it is almost exactly the same . . . E.T. I'm SO embarrassed! "They weren't the wing-ding type" is my favorite phrase on the record. Joni's love for Donald sure shows in her interpretation of his kewl lyrics. Indeed Turbulent Indigo is my personal fav but I disagree that The Crazy Cries of Love intro is a regurgitation. I hear a huge difference! Speaking of TI, Joni's phrasing of "tourists" is a perfect example of how she employs words as percussion (say "tourists" 10 times real fast and notice the "s-t-s" sounds like cymbals, and then listen to how she repeats it at the perfect moment). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:42:02 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: happy birthday, michael yarbrough (njc) michael y, 10/14 patrick, quadruple gemini with a deep appreciation for libra tolerance. np - miles - sketches of spain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:19:55 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Impressions of the Tiger (All Joni Content - Long) I've been trying to arrange my thoughts about TTT before posting them to the list. But I've been having trouble putting my finger on just what it is that has captivated me about this record. Then a couple of things occurred to me tonight that sort of made it all start to fall into place. First of all let me say that I am not one of those who believe that Joni is above reproach and can do no wrong. There are certain songs that I don't really care for and Joni's singing on her 2nd, 3rd & 4th albums was sometimes grating to me (Remember the Hyuddah thread? I think I had a hand in starting all that). Dog Eat Dog & Chalkmark in a Rainstorm are not albums that I play very often but then neither are Ladies of the Canyon or Blue for that matter. I certainly acknowledge the brilliance & importance of Blue & Hejira but they are not my favorite Joni Mitchell records. There are some I like better than others not necessarily because I think they are her best work. There's just something about those particular albums that grabs me. Others grow on me, sometimes after many, many listenings. Sometimes even after a few years have gone by. Taming the Tiger grabbed me from the very first listen. The first word that came to mind was exquisite. I liked the overall sound of the record right away. It has a lush, soothing quality to it that something in me responds to. And I do like the sound she has chosen for the guitar. It has a chiming, ringing quality to it that is quite haunting and fits the material perfectly. Wayne Shorter's work is wonderful and the slide guitar adds some beautiful accents. The drumming is not very evident to me but when I do pick it up it is always apppropriate and just right. I really think the record as a whole is quite beautiful. So why is it exquisitely beautiful? Trying to figure that out took me awhile. I read everybody's comments - some felt the lyrics weren't up to snuff, some thought the guitarwork was repetitive, others didn't like the sound of the synthesized guitar and some thought the production was lacking. I tried to keep an open, objective frame of mind and I think there is some degree of validity to just about everyone's opinion. Except maybe Barbearuh's implication that it sounds like Muzak. Sorry Barbara, but I just can't get behind that one. You're entitled to your opinion but I'm also entitled to think you're wrong. Coming from some people I might have thought that was a flippant remark but Barbara (among others who shall remain nameless) I will always give the benefit of the doubt. I think ultimately that TTT (like any good work of art) is greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe some of the lyrics are not equal to the best that Joni has done in the past. But then Joni *is* one of the best lyricists around and I don't think there's anything here that out & out stinks. Quite honestly I do think there are some of her finest lyrics on TTT. Love Puts On a New Face has some amazing images & turns of phrase as does Facelift. Maybe these aren't the catchiest tunes she's ever written and maybe the music sounds repetitious from track to track after the first few listens. But how is that any different from say, Hejira? Each of Joni's albums has its own distinctive sound. It usually takes some time for the true brilliance of each one to sink in. Then the individuality of each song becomes evident and her talent & genius unmask themselves. I also think there is something in this record that is completely new. Joni is showing us a part of her soul that we've never seen before. There is something in the sound of her voice and the overall feel of TTT that gives me the impression that some part of her is finally at peace or that some void has at last been filled. At first I hoped it was Donald, that maybe she had finally found the one great love of her life that would last. Well if we believe the Rolling Stone, that, sadly, is not the case. I tend to think that finding Kilauren might be the explanation here. I get the impression that when this record was first conceived Joni was in a completely different frame of mind than she is now. She had come very close to quitting the music business and was fed up with the whole game. She had come through several years of seemingly unrelenting bad luck and misfortune - ill health, legal battles, divorce. And then things began to change. She met Don Freed, awards were being showered on her and finally she was reunited with the daughter she had given up. Plus she was suddenly a grandmother. So I would venture to guess that what started out as a rather angry concept for a record evolved over 4 years into something else. Joni's singing on TTT is so intimate & nuanced! And there is so much tenderness on Stay in Touch, Here's to You and Facelift. Some people mentioned Lead Balloon as a failed attempt at a parody of a hard-rock song. I don't think parody is quite the right word. Parody is usually a close parallel of a specific song or play or movie or what have you that exaggerates & twists its subject to make it funny. Lead Balloon strikes me as more satiric, pointing up the foibles and absurdities of a segment of society, in this case the high-profile, fast-paced upper echelon of the recording industry. And I think as satire, it succeeds. Taming the Tiger & No Apologies to me are more like random thoughts & associations on their respective subjects than strictly narrative pieces. TTT is about Joni's frustration with the current state of popular music & the big business that produces it with some playful word association thrown in for good measure (nice kitty, kitty; tyger, tyger burning bright; the old man is snoring). No Apologies seems to be a commentary on the increasingly cruel and hard nature of our society. Tire skids and teeth marks leave scars on both the land and our psyches. She hints at an aggressive, destructive force that may or may not be of a male nature that is 'laying America to waste'. Well I'm sure you've heard way more than enough from me for now (those of you who have made it this far, that is) so I'll stop. In case you couldn't tell, I love TTT and I think it will turn out to be one of my favorites. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #414 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?