From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #410 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, October 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 410 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Orlando@jmdl.com -Tampa@jmdl.com Sunrise@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Apologies Around njc [Skin Deep ] Re: Joni covers [FredNow@aol.com] Re: inapropriate covers [FredNow@aol.com] Elvis and Burt NJC ["Philipf" ] Re:Phil Ochs tapes (NJC) [MWalshkoba@aol.com] Re: Joni covers (SJC) [David Wright ] Re: opera and vibrato (NJC) (LONG) [David Wright ] JMDL Parties (a parody) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: a fond farewell (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: BarBearUh on Joni the folkie ["Philipf" ] Re: songs for Joni ["Philipf" ] Re: Joni covers ["Marsha" ] NYT article on Joni [Bounced Message ] postscript [Bounced Message ] Soul Train Synchronicity ["Marsha" ] Re: Joni covers [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: postscript [catman ] Re: Joni covers [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni covers [JRMCo1@aol.com] Mingus stuff now [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni covers [JRMCo1@aol.com] LA Times 10/9 - Notable Quotes [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Sad Farewells and Such (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] "My Best to You" [Diana Duncan ] Re: LA Times 10/9 - Notable Quotes [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Joni covers [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni covers [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Joni covers [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: TTT - opening week sales [Brett Code ] Rolling Stone and miscellaneous items [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Re: Joni covers [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Donald and Paintings ["Kakki" ] Van Gogh in L.A. (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Van Gogh in L.A. (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Joni covers ["Marsha" ] Abusive e-mail (NJC) [Scott Price ] Re: Re: Joni covers [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni covers [catman ] Re: Joni covers [JRMCo1@aol.com] Our JMDL family (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Our JMDL family (NJC) [catman ] Re: Our JMDL family (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Graham on VH-1 Now (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: C&S quad mix [jussi ] Roberts Rules of Order (imp. NJC)long not too long. [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Stay in Touch [DSK11 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:29:04 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Apologies Around njc Well I can see how easy it is to misconstrue a post. My "trashing" comment was meant in a light hearted way. To those who took me serious my apologies. I am only to happy to read anothers point of view. It makes for better perspective and broaden horizons. And you know Two heads are better than one. Waltzenfree np Forest Flower-Charles Lloyd Quartet at Monterey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:42:53 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers I would love to hear Joni sing: What'll I Do Let's Face The Music And Dance Never Never Land You Do Something To Me Alone Together Old Folks Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most Easy Living My Romance - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:44:06 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: inapropriate covers How about Frank Sinatra singing Both Sides Now? Oh, wait ... he actually did. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:43:17 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Elvis and Burt NJC Elvis and Burt's first gig is reviewed here. It's worth reading. http://www.muse.ie/micro2.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:46:21 EDT From: MWalshkoba@aol.com Subject: Re:Phil Ochs tapes (NJC) I inadvertently deleted the message asking for copies of Phil Ochs CDs. Please e-mail me again and I promise not to make the same mistake twice. Sorry. Mary Walsh-Kobayashi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:13:42 +0100 From: David Wright Subject: Re: Joni covers (SJC) Howard Motyl wrote: > >Maybe Joni is really a gay man. I think Madonna has claimed to be a gay man, or have the soul of a gay man. (In a woman's body.) - --David NP: _Rapa Iti: Tahitian Choir, vol. 2_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 03:07:25 +0100 From: David Wright Subject: Re: opera and vibrato (NJC) (LONG) Not only NJC, but probably of very little interest even to the most ardent NJC fans... WallyKai wrote: > >Opera was always, at least until Meyerbeer, a folk event. And, like Tom Ross, I understood that today's vibrato was *not* always the norm in opera (certainly not in singing in general? -- hence the early-music straight-tone singers). Wouldn't it be interesting if the shift in vocal style took place around the time of, say...Meyerbeer? I've never heard that this is the case, I'm just speculating. The argument that vibrato gives the voice greater carrying power fits with this, though, because Meyerbeer's operas were enormous, gaudy musical/theatrical spectacles and may have needed the carrying power more than previous operas. >As to vibrato, well, to quote John Ardoin "vibrato is the >lifeblood of a voice as it is of a string player's sound. [snip] Well, some people don't like string vibrato either. (Many contemporary composers, Xenakis for example, direct that their pieces be played without it, or notate how/when it is to be used.) Again that's personal taste. Also, I've heard singing that has no vibrato yet, I personally felt, PLENTY of "lifeblood." (I've also heard notes that were way out of tune and had plenty of lifeblood....and I love them.) I know Wally said that he didn't bring up other types of singing because they were irrelevant to a defense of vibrato in opera. But I have to defend other types of singing against comments like "vibrato is **THE** lifeblood of the voice." Wally made a strong argument in favor of keeping one's ears receptive to new sound experiences, which I really appreciate; I'm just sensitive because in my experience in the Conservatory, not all classical singers or proponents of classical singing are anywhere near so tolerant as that. >Until you've been a few [or not so few sometimes] feet away >from a dramatic soprano, you'll never know what it means to have >your skull >literally vibrate to the acoustic energy coming from the singers >chest. Synchronicity: I had this experience just today, while accompanying a voice student for a rehearsal in a small practice room. (See, I *do* have some "knowledge and experience in the subject"!) My favorite physical experience of singing, however, was sitting a few feet away from the alto section at the Midwest Sacred Harp Convention last May -- Sacred Harp alto, my favorite singing sound in the world (heard on Alan Lomax's Southern Journey CDs). No vibrato at all, just a blistering sound of incredible force, even in recorded form. Voice majors at the Conservatory aren't *allowed* to sing Sacred Harp, by the way, nor in the Oberlin Slavic Folk Choir. >Opera is extreme, it is dangerous. [snip] >They are our martyrs: they take a leap into the unknown every >minute for our >pleasure and many times they fall and die. And to think of all the years I've wasted at the boring old piano... (Notice no smiley face.) and Tom Ross wrote: > >acoustic phenomena may be a step away from musicality, unless >you think >that bass speakers making people shit in their pants is musical. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Or maybe it's art. Another synchronicity: I went to an art gallery last month where one of the pieces was a bass speaker which, the display *claimed*, would produce bowel-releasing frequencies at random intervals. Really. And don't scoff! :) - --David NP: Alpha, _Come From Heaven_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:57:21 -0700 From: Scott & Jen & Anna Spring <3bunas@accessatlanta.com> Subject: fresh air Wow. I've recently joined the list after about a 2 year hiatus - and what do I find? A lot of crazy bickering. I hope it all calms down soon - let's talk about JONI! Personally, I can't believe she is actually touring - it has been a dream of mine to see her in concert, and now it actually might happen! The greatest joy in my life right now is introducing Joni to my 18 month old daughter - I wish I could show you her reaction to a few songs! Her name is Anna, and she loves Big Yellow Taxi and sings the bop bops and laughs with Joni at the end. We dance around with the Circle Game - a song that has totally new meaning for me as a parent! I was happy to see Anna getting a mention on TTT - does anyone know to whom Joni is referring - if anyone? Time to clean the house with Urge for Going in the lovely cool fall temperatures we are finally getting here in the south. Let's lighten up, shall we? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:34:28 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: JMDL Parties (a parody) All the people on this Joni list They've got a lot of style They've got e-mail from many countries They've got Joni homepage smiles Some are friendly Some are cutting Some are reading it from the wings Some are writing in the center Commenting to get something Nasty e-mail gets attention Then our jaws are falling down He got asked to leave the listers He got e-mail frowns One minute we're all happy Then we're then we're at each other's throat Saying e-mail's getting heavy Please stop sending me nasty notes I told you when I joined this I was Joni crazy Cry for us all Joni Cry for those who left us Thinking it's not worth it And those behind the nasties defenfing- and us behind our fears And me just shaking my head Thinking I don't understand I feel I'm in a nightmare Can you wake me You all seem to have a broader sensibility I'm just living on Joni and coming concerts With a happy and crazy mind And coming to JMDL's parties Fumbling deaf dumb and blind I wish we had more sense of humor Keeping the nasties at bay Throwing a lightness on all these things Laughing it all away Laughing it all away Laughing it all away ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:40:29 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: a fond farewell (NJC) I'll supply the American Spirits! :-) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/10/98 1:19:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kg@ibm.net > writes: > > << > Hey Kakki, would *love* to go for a smoke with 'ya :-) > >> > Hey, me three! (avoiding the dreaded "me too" post and associated ban). > Paul I > ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | | | "Every disc a poker chip, every | | song just a one-night stand." | | -Joni Mitchell | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:54:10 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Re: BarBearUh on Joni the folkie Could the hand wringers on the list please delete now as there is a possibility that the following note disagrees with something written earlier. - -----Original Message----- From: BarBearUh >> "I came into the game looking like a folk singer but I was really playing >> classical art songs," >then please explain 'london bridges' to me, please. her early songs are very >folky; her early shows were in the folk tradition (even today are to an extent >- lots of talk between songs). yes, she wasn't woody or seeger. but >'classical art songs' is a bit of a stretch. it is indeed stupid that people >think of her that way, but complete denial isn't the way it goes either. I don't believe that Joni was ever a proper folk singer. Back then anyone holding an acoustic guitar was automatically categorised as "folk". Since then the definition of folk has been somewhat better defined. we now tend to look for some elements of tradition, passing on of heritage, a political stance or that the songs deal with every day issues of the people. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that 1950's Saskatoon was not exactly a hotbed of traditional folk music or political strife. What came through on the radio was probably rock n roll and pop/ jazz the same as everywhere else. The songs on the first records don't sound very folklike to me. Generally the subject matter is very personal. Even a folkier song like The Good Samaritan, sounds like phoney folk to me. She actually sings the word "lawdy" in the last verse. How this impostor of a song remained in her live set up to 1971 at the expense of songs from Seagull, and almost made it onto Blue amazes me now. Joni has been honest enough to admit that she was never a true folkie. The folk thing was easy to do and there was a market for it at the time, plus you didn't need the hassle of forming a band. When she was in Ireland in '83 she bought some Irish fiddle music for an uncle who liked that stuff. So she probably could have claimed some bogus familial connection with the folk tradition if she really wanted to. Finally, about Cobain, i also was glad when Joni spoke her mind about him. For years I've been saying that he was a minor talent who gained celebrity by killing himself. It's quite normal by the way for elder statesmen/women like Joni to critique the new kids on the block and any journalist worth his wages askes the question. ex Beatles, Stones, Costello, Newman etc do it all the time. Philip NP Jurassic 5 - Concrete skool yard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:54:47 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Re: songs for Joni What's New Pussycat ? - Tom Jones i'm a tiger - Lulu Tiger feet - Mud The Owl and the pussycat - edmund Lear Cat fever - Little feat Nashville Cats - the Lovin Spoonful I wasn't Born to Follow - the Byrds Tell it Like it is - aaron Neville stage Fright - the Band Backstage (I'm Lonely) - Gene Pitney My colouring book - Dusty Springfield Don't smoke in bed - Nina Simone Stupid girl - neil young Me and the Boys - NRBQ I stand accused - Issac hayes ? Kiss the children - gram Parsons ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:37:06 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni covers - -----Original Message----- From: FredNow@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Joni covers Fred said: >I would love to hear Joni sing: >My Romance Wouldn't that just be the cat's meow? I love that song, and I can hear her doing it in that lower register... My choices: Here's That Rainy Day I Love Paris Autumn Leaves That Old Black Magic What'll I Do? They Can't Take That Away From Me My Funny Valentine... (for my birthday!) Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:01:25 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NYT article on Joni From: "Eric Taylor" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:10:08 -0400 magazine@nytimes.com Dear Letters Editor: Neil Strauss is a perfect example of how interviewers twist the truth to sell a story. Headlining that Joni Mitchell "hates popular music and has nothing but contempt for the whole notion of the Lilith Fair" (The Hissing of a Living Legend, Oct. 4), Strauss construes her latest lyrics from Taming The Tiger to make his case. If I weren't such an informed fan, I might be persuaded to think she is the self-important witch Strauss paints her out to be. And could you have possibly dug up a more unflattering 9x12" closeup? Joni is indeed like the Van Gogh of our generation, only much more talented! It's long pained me to see her treated so shabbily by the press and music industry. Eric Taylor ewwtaylor@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:01:01 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: postscript From: RickieLee1@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:31:11 EDT well list. i am so very tempted to provide you with some of the details mr. wk omitted from his post to the list. in defense of myself and the way i have been portrayed in his utterly self serving post to all of you, i really want to tell you about them. but i won't. because i think talking about it would bring down the list altogether, and that would be a tragedy. but i am very clear on the definition of the word disturbed amd i don't use words lightly. you will just have to take my word for it. and when someone i perceive that way tells me he fears for my children...see you. whoever suggested that this list is like a soap opera had a point. and now i find myself at the center of one of the more explosive episodes. i don't like it. so, do i go for ratings and share with you the devilish details wally neglected to share himself? a very tempting proposition. but i think the matter should be dropped and everyone get back to discussing the important stuff. love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:16:59 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Soul Train Synchronicity So I'm watching Tyreece on Soul Train a minute ago, and he has released a new CD with a song dedicated to his mother... the title? "Stay in Touch" can we have two releases at the same time with the same title? How will it affect the charts? Marsha, hand-wringing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:27:05 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers I think it would be swell if Joni was to cover: It's Only a Paper Moon A Tisket, A Tasket Ain't Nobody's Business Lover Man (as an ode to her split with Don Freed) Makes me weak in the knees just daydreaming on it. Good thing I'm sitting down. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:30:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: postscript Now i find it very difficult to believe that Wally K threatened anybodies children. I would like to say that in my time on this list I have recieved two extremely nasty and abusive mails. Both were from Ric. They were uncalled for and totally at odds with the way he writes to the list. I for one don't care what his reasoning was nor do I have much faith in his diagnoses of WallyK. Since those mails from Ric he has been filtered out so I haven't ever read anything of his since but by all accounts he has been pleasant enough. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:36:05 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni covers JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Lover Man (as an ode to her split with Don Freed) Split with Don? Did I miss something? - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:05:05 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers > Lover Man (as an ode to her split with Don Freed) Marsha writes: << Did Joni and Don split up??????????? Spill. >> Phyliss said: <> Everything comes and goes...apparently Don is gone. That is, if you believe the new Rolling Stone. To wit: "One of TTT's many high points is the brief and beguiling "Stay in Touch," Mitchell's ode to boyfriend Don Freed. The track's title proved prescient: The couple recently parted ways." Looks like that train wasn't such a long one after all. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:12:51 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Mingus stuff now You know, I'm really surprized that Joni hasn't brought back any stuff from Mingus in her recent concerts, considering most of her tunes and the covers she has done are mostly jazzy. I would piss my pants if I heard her do God Must Be A Boogie Man or The Dry Cleaner! Generally speaking, the songs off of Mingus aren't too terribly hard to play or sing (Except The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey). Maybe the meaning has been lost in them. Any comments? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | | | "Every disc a poker chip, every | | song just a one-night stand." | | -Joni Mitchell | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:13:31 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers > Lover Man (as an ode to her split with Don Freed) Marsha writes: << Did Joni and Don split up??????????? Spill. >> Phyliss said: <> Everything comes and goes...apparently Don is gone. That is, if you believe the new Rolling Stone. To wit: "One of TTT's many high points is the brief and beguiling "Stay in Touch," Mitchell's ode to boyfriend Don Freed. The track's title proved prescient: The couple recently parted ways." Looks like that train wasn't such a long one after all. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 98 17:48:51 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: LA Times 10/9 - Notable Quotes I've been kind of bugged with some of the interviews I've been reading lately. Interviewers spend hours with Joni, over a period of several days sometimes (Neil Strauss-NYT), and publish SO LITTLE of what was actually said. And the little that has been getting published I find by and large unflattering and negative. Well if that weren't bad enough, now the press is printing extracts of the extracts! Just as Joni has been a musical mentor to countless younger singer/songwriters, I think she may also prove to be a PR mentor for them (i.e., what NOT to say when you're interviewed). -Kenny ==============LA Times 10/9 - Notable Quotes===================== ================================================================= "I can't really listen to the music of this generation. They have false cunning in their voices. It's melodrama; it's bad acting, for the most part. Even the best of them are not sincere." - -- veteran singer-songwriter JONI MITCHELL, on current pop music. ================================================================= ================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:00:38 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Sad Farewells and Such (NJC) All, I'm so sad to find that, after several busy days and now finally having the time to sit down and catch up on my JMDL mail, lately there has apparently been some terrible snipeing, backstabbing, and resultant leavings from the list. I haven't even read it all, but ... WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! I thought we as a group were mainly above this sort of crap. It certainly is not what I expected of the members of this list, and it's very, very disturbing. If I wanted to do soap operas (and I don't), I would turn on the tube. Wondering if this list isn't beginning to become a waste of time and bandwidth, Lori (also wondering if I'm overreacting and now late for work) San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:17:00 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: "My Best to You" Hi all, I noticed something today when "My Best to You" came around on the CD. The electronic sound in it reminds me of the song that used to be played while Disney's Light Parade winded through the streets at the end of a wonderful day in the Magic Kingdom. I know it is totally different but there is just something in the sound. Because of this and the whole tone of this song it just lifts me up. Usually listening to JM when I'm sad brings me peace but this one brings me Joy! I too wasn't too excited when I first heard many of the songs from TTT on the tape tree from the recent concerts but now I just *love* this album. All the critics have it right that it just grows and grows! Got to get off now and watch Arkansas bet Memphis. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:10:29 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: LA Times 10/9 - Notable Quotes In a message dated 98-10-10 13:52:45 EDT, kg@ibm.net writes: << I've been kind of bugged with some of the interviews I've been reading lately. Interviewers spend hours with Joni, over a period of several days sometimes (Neil Strauss-NYT), and publish SO LITTLE of what was actually said. And the little that has been getting published I find by and large unflattering and negative. >> I've got to transgress the "me too" rule to thank Neil Orts for posting url for the Austin Chronicle interview with Joni. I felt just like you do, Kenny, till I read it. It sounds much more like the Joni I love. It explains most everything to my satisfaction. Definitely the most true to life printed piece I've read throughout this latest media blitz. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:40:00 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni covers I can't remember where I read it, but it's about Kilauren and Marlin. JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Everything comes and goes...apparently Don is gone. That is, if you believe > the new Rolling Stone. To wit: > > "One of TTT's many high points is the brief and beguiling "Stay in Touch," > Mitchell's ode to boyfriend Don Freed. The track's title proved > prescient: The couple recently parted ways." ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | | | "Every disc a poker chip, every | | song just a one-night stand." | | -Joni Mitchell | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:23:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers Mark writes: << I can't remember where I read it, but it's about Kilauren and Marlin>> No, Mark, you're mistaken. It's about Donald Freed. No memory involved here. I've got the magazine right in front of me. At the risk of spoiling it for those who want to read the article for themselves (read no further if you're such a person), here's the whole salient quote without the : "One of Tiger's many high points is the brief and beguiling "Stay in Touch,"Mitchell's ode to boyfriend Donald Freed. 'When we first met, we threw the I Ching,' she says. "The book said 'to remember the beginning,' so I kept the essence of the idea and restructured the words. It seemed like a blueprint for proper conduct through the beginning phases of any intense attraction.' The track's title proved prescient: The couple recently parted ways." - -Julius . JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Everything comes and goes...apparently Don is gone. That is, if you believe > the new Rolling Stone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:44:24 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers Oops. Sorry Mark. It occurs to me that you meant that *Stay in Touch* is about Kilauren and Marlin. Joni alluded to that in the Austin Chron interview. Kilauren's boyfriend said he thought the song was about Kelly (Kilauren's nick name) when he heard it. I was a little confused by that too. I guess it's another one of Joni's "if the shoe fits, wear it type songs. Sorry I misunderstood you. << Mark writes: << I can't remember where I read it, but it's about Kilauren and Marlin>> -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:51:49 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: TTT - opening week sales In Calgary, TTT was #13. Brett no: King Sunny Ade - 'Odu' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:50:49 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone and miscellaneous items In a message dated 98-10-10 15:27:51 EDT, you write: << JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Everything comes and goes...apparently Don is gone. That is, if you believe > the new Rolling Stone. >> This may be true today. However, "Stay In Touch" I believe, is far from a lament. It's hopeful, and was written at the beginning of the relationship. All of TTT was in the can prior to the west coast tour, and I remember Don being very much present throughout it. So, if Rolling Stone is referring to "Stay In Touch" as a reaction to a recent split or if anyone refers to any of TTT as Kilauren/Marlin inspired, they are mistaken. Just as if one were to comment that "Not To Blame" was about Simpson, or "No Apologies" refers to Clinton in some indirect way. Although, I do feel that "Not To Blame's" release was kind of spooky. P.S. Also, regarding Barberah's comments about the paintings; I'd agree, but then prints don't really compliment originals, as she stated. I've always liked the picture of the picnic table on TI (I feel Monet influenced in style, but not color palette), the cover of Mingus, the controlled but colorful back of Mingus, and two on TTT that I have any preference for are the Rousseau influenced grey cat in the bushes and the use of white in the winterscape on the back cover. The Autumnal romance of the hand on the leg with the fallen leaves is a good illustration of her relationship with Don. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:59:47 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 10/10/98 10:38:20 AM, docnurse@voy.net wrote: >Fred said: > >>I would love to hear Joni sing: >>My Romance > >Wouldn't that just be the cat's meow? >I love that song, and I can hear her doing >it in that lower register... Marsha, you've heard James Taylor's version of My Romance on the CD That's Why I'm Here, yes? Sublime. James is another who should record standards. I think he's done some standards-with-orchestra gigs, but no records yet. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:59:09 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Donald and Paintings Julius informed us: >Everything comes and goes...apparently Don is gone. That is, if you >believe the new Rolling Stone. Big boo hoo :-( Duane wrote: >P.S. Also, regarding Barberah's comments about the paintings; I'd >agree, but then prints don't really compliment originals, as she stated. >I've always liked the picture of the picnic table on TI (I feel Monet >influenced in style, but not color palette), the cover of Mingus, the >controlled but colorful back of Mingus, and two on TTT that I have any >preference for are the Rousseau influenced grey cat in the bushes and >the use of white in the winterscape on the back cover. The Autumnal >romance of the hand on the leg with the fallen leaves is a good >illustration of her relationship with Don. It is SO true that reproductions never give a true sense of the original. I saw the TTT paintings up close during the tapings and they are far more impressive than they may appear in print. They are more colorful, reflect a lot of light, and the artistry is masterful in them. When I saw the paintings in the TI booklet, I was not impressed, either, and thought most of them were amateurish. When I saw those same TI paintings "in the flesh" at the tapings I was amazed at how much gorgeous and better they were than I'd thought and felt really foolish that I had prejudged them based on how they appear in a small, printed reproduction. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:14:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Van Gogh in L.A. (NJC) Since the time is near to start ordering tickets for the Van Gogh exhibition at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA), thought I'd post the latest information. The exhibits runs from Sunday, January 17, 1999 through April 4, 1999 and includes 70 of Van Gogh's works from the Van Gogh Museum in The Netherlands. If you become a member of LACMA ($55.00) you will receive two complimentary tickets to the exhibit. To become a member, call (323) 857-6151. The general information number for LACMA is (323) 857-6000. The exhibit hours are 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., seven days a week. Tickets go on sale as follows: Membership tickets - Sales begin Sunday, October 18th through Ticketmaster. Phone (213) 462-2787. Group Sales - Begin November 1st through Ticketmaster. Public tickets - Sales begin November 15th through Ticketmaster. Ticket prices are as follows: Saturdays and Sundays: $20.00/adults, $15.00/seniors Weekdays: $17.50/adults, $10.00/seniors Children ages 6 through 17 - $5.00 anytime Children under 5 - Free No student discounts available. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:28:36 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Van Gogh in L.A. (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Since the time is near to start ordering tickets for the Van Gogh exhibition > at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA), thought I'd post the latest > information. THIS is the kind of (NJC) that's most worth reading! Thanks, Kakki! Lori (not in L.A. but moving there someday soon ...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:35:26 -0400 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni covers - -----Original Message----- From: FredNow@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Joni covers >Marsha, you've heard James Taylor's version of My Romance on the CD That's Why >I'm Here, yes? Sublime. James is another who should record standards. I think >he's done some standards-with-orchestra gigs, but no records yet. Hi, Fred. Actually I was hearing in my head of heads Patti Cathcart's version with her hubby Tuck Andress (Tuck and Patti). I love the mellow electric guitar of that one, and of course her voice. Marsha, hoping Fred plays some of these tunes at our Chicago gathering around his piano next month ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:39:25 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Abusive e-mail (NJC) At 03:16 AM 10/10/98 GMT, Kenny Grant wrote: >As for how to address the problem of private hate mail and "nastygrams," I >think that it might make sense to take them and forward them to the list. Sorry, Kenny, but I must disagree. As pointed out by Kakki there is a possibility of increasing hostilities and conjecture. I believe the best practice is to reply to the antagonist and request an immediate cessation of all private e-mails. If the person continues after that, you should contact the offender's ISP. Most have a customer service or even an "abuse" department. While we did find in the past that the ISPs tend to take this very seriously, it is nevertheless difficult to get punitive action. However, in the instances I am familiar with, once the ISP got involved the e-mails did stop. Forwarding private e-mail to an individual or a list is usually done, IMO, for personal reasons rather than for the greater good. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:13:37 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 10/10/98 3:36:51 PM, Marsha wrote: >Marsha, hoping Fred plays some of these tunes at our Chicago gathering > > around his piano next month Count on it. But no Android Leper. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:50:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni covers How about Madonna doing Job's Sad Song? Carly doing Lead Ballon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:16:49 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers Funny that you should mention Tuck and Patti, Marsha. I just got back from Tower with their latest cd _Paradise Found_ nearly melting in my hot little hand. It's aptly titled. Virtuoso musicianship to die for. They're back on Windham Hill, so the production is heavenly...clear as crystal. They cover Laura Nyro's "Captain For Dark Mornings" quite sweetly. Their interpretation of Al Green's classic "Let's Stay Together" persuaded me that perhaps we should. They're using background vocals (The Blenders) and other musicians for the time on a recording, I think. Norton Buffalo plays a mean harmonica for them on "You." They covered my beloved "Woodstock" on their previous release _Learning How to Fly_, you know. It's all good. - -Julius Marsha writes: << Actually I was hearing in my head of heads Patti Cathcart's version [of "My Romance"] with her hubby Tuck Andress (Tuck and Patti). I love the mellow electric guitar of that one, and of course her voice. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:56:56 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Our JMDL family (NJC) For as long as I've been on this list, there have been cycles. Cycles of peace, cycles of "NJC," cycles of Joni content, cycles of flames, cycles of anger and fear and paranoia. After riding through the David/Chili wave, it looks as though the fat lady still hasn't sung. Ric mentioned in his last post "...but i think the matter should be dropped and everyone get back to discussing the important stuff. " Unfortunately, people are curious and it will probably take about a week of posts before the horse dies and our JMDL family picks up the pieces to move on, hopefully a bit wiser for the wear. I am not privy to the posts between Wally and Ric. I have my theories and I have my thoughts, but this not the place for them right now. What I do want to say is that I've known Wally for as long as he has been on the list. In no way, shape or form do I consider him to be "disturbed" or violent or anything of that nature. With this in mind, I would like to come out and remind everyone that Wally K is a member of our family. Deserving of our love and support as much as anyone else. I know that he has my love and support in all of this as does Ric. I wish us all peace and love and guidance to like this wildfire run through our community and the re-growth start anew. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:11:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Our JMDL family (NJC) Trust you MG to be so lovely and mature. Excellent post. colin xoxo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:11:50 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Our JMDL family (NJC) MG wrote: > I wish us all peace and love and guidance to like this wildfire run through our community and the re-growth start anew. At the risk of doing a "me, too," I second that emotion ... Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:55:48 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Graham on VH-1 Now (NJC) For West Coasters - Graham Nash in on Rock and Roll Jepardy on VH-1 right now. (Aw, he's so cute) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:44:19 -0700 From: jussi Subject: Re: C&S quad mix Mark Domyancich wrote: > There is a Quadrophonic mix of People's Parties and Same Situation on one > of the tape trees. The only difference I can hear is that there is a break > between the two songs on it. Yeah yeah yeah I know all about that tape tree... I have it, I've listened to it. But all of Court&spark4channellsforgodssakes... Court, And, Spark. COURT AND SPARK. COURT! AND!! SPARK!!! thinkaboutit... THEGREATESTALBUMTHEREEVERWASANDQUADRAPHONIC!!! All Staggering Four Channels Of It... - The quad mix is different... Has anyone heard in in quad actually? Please, back me up all you quad 4 speakers people, you must be out there... (I realize the quad hype is a tad old by now, but I can't help my astound listening to it in 1998). IT IS DIFFERENT, PUH-LEEZE, I BEG YOU!!! The "normal" original US vinyl sounds great (as I believe that's been "officially proven") but the quad vinyl sounds different to that... even played on conventional 2-channel stereo. Maybe even better than the conventional vinyl. I have the original US vinyl, but the scratchy copy I have of the quad vinyl sounds just as great, but it's different - at times I think it's better but I don't know. I don't have the quad system (who has/ever had), but even on the regular stereo it sounds different. Maybe it's just the special mix leaking through, but when played on normal stereo cartridge, it sounds very different. A bit like the Q sound "novelty" a few years back (only better?). After first listen, "Just Like This Train" sounds most different. Loads of echo. Also the backing vocal parts of "help me" sound like your neighbours singing it next door - in the most positive way. I am *really* astounded. I'm not drunk either. My mum has a *really* old stereo system from the 70's that has the ability to play quad records - if there's 4 speakers attached to it. I can't wait to try that with C&S. I think it even has the cartridge to play it properly. I will go buy those additional speakers just to hear "Court & Spark" in quad. Question: Is this quad thing something like BETA which was much better than VHS but more expensive and therefore abolished? - --jussi np: Pulp Fiction soundtrack (I'm lying but it would fit) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 22:37:00 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Roberts Rules of Order (imp. NJC)long not too long. I wish to contribute two thoughts in the interest of calming the waters. It is interesting to me, as someone who has been part of the JMDL for a number of months now (like 10), that we have this sudden outbreak of rhetorical madness. I recall not too long ago a thread erupted about a political subject and the predictable flames commenced. I suggested to the list at the time that the list was not the place for such opinionated pieces on subject matter that was tangential at best to Joni Mitchell. Of course I myself was flamed in no uncertain terms for having the audacity to suggest that someones thoughts and posts should be limited or censored in any way. As I watch the current televised hearings in congress (with its incendiary content) I noticed that all the congresspersons all have this formal system of speech and they address each other as "the gentleman from New jersey" and the "gentlelady from Illinois". Even if someone is letting the other person "have it" rhetorically, it is mandated that it be done in a highly civil manner. I used to chortle at this seemingly faux respect but now as the debate in the House gets testy it becomes apparrent that whenever human beings wish to voice their feelings the atmosphere can quickly deteriorate UNLESS there is some controlling mechanism to control such aspects of human nature. The second thought takes me back to my college days. I had a philosophy teacher who was outrageously good. We studied many controversial thoughts. She had one rule. "It is unimportant what WE believe simply because we are here to discuss what the philosopher himself or herself thought". OUR interpretation of something is not the purpose of this discussion list. It is not our "right" to introduce extraneous controversial subjects. Only Jonis work should count. If we could just keep these two thoughts in mind I believe that maintaining the atmosphere of the best discussion list on the internet is possible. Civility is not hard to maintain as long as the brain is engaged. Cheers to all. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:12:48 -0400 From: DSK11 Subject: Re: Stay in Touch Mark Domyancich wrote: > > I can't remember where I read it, but it's about Kilauren and Marlin. You may have read it in the current Entertainment Weekly Online review, which includes this: Mitchell said in a recent interview that the tentatively tender "Stay in Touch" is about getting to know her now grown daughter, Kilauren . . . The reviewer doesn't ever specify what that other interview was. But, in every interview I've read (and I think heard on the most recent tape tree) Joni has said the songs for TTT were finished before she had the time to process the experience of finding and getting to know Kilauren and Marlin. Of course, she always says it much more eloquently than this -- just can't remember any exact quotes right now. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #410 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?