From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #407 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, October 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 407 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Orlando@jmdl.com -Tampa@jmdl.com Sunrise@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL UK bulletin - TTT on the BBC [Rob Jordan ] Where Did Our Love Go? [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Joni Covers [Rob Jordan ] S&L Guitar, DJRD [Mark Domyancich ] Re: washington post n. hornby profile (SJC) [Marilune@aol.com] for Julie Z absolutely NJC [Howard Motyl ] Re: Homespun Grassroots vs. Eclectic Electric [Mark or Travis ] Re: Reading Isn't Knowing ["Kakki" ] Re: technical TTT [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Homespun Grassroots vs. Eclectic Electric [DKasc13293@aol.com] Addendum: Homespun Grassroots vs. Eclectic Electric [DKasc13293@aol.com] joni display... [Helen Gill ] Re: attitude & so forth [BarBearUh ] The Croz [Mark or Travis ] Re: Reading Isn't KnowingNJC NJC NJC ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: slowcoaches (VLJC) [BarBearUh ] Re: Joni in my Dream (SJC) [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Peter Gabriel (NJC) [Evian ] American currency (NJC) [Evian ] Good Friends Video [Evian ] Re: my tix plans [Green51976@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:11:55 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: JMDL UK bulletin - TTT on the BBC It's been a busy week for me, but I'm resurfacing, as you'll see from my grouchy posts tonight. The exciting news is that TTT was reviewed ecstatically tonight on a BBC radio arts programme "Front Row". The journalist Mat Snow (from Mojo, or Q?) said TTT is as good as anything Joni has done in twenty years. He also said she stands as a giant of music, alongside Dylan and The Beatles. I was delighted that he didn't fall into the usual trap... "greatest woman... blah, blah". My report from our UK meeting last Saturday is overdue: it was great to meet our visitor David Wright before he headed off to hear Bang on a Can play Eno. We have lots of musical interests in common, besides Joni. Jamie got out of rehearsal early and was able to meet us for some very fast food before the Dar Williams concert. Jamie and I met up with Colin & John on our way into the Dar concert - sadly David missed meeting Colin. It was great to finally meet Colin. And he is as talkative as I expected!! I thought the Dar concert was just brilliant. Emotionally gripping, certainly one of the best shows I've seen this year. And she is such a delightful character, an inspiring and positive personality. We met Dar-listers at the show, and now Jamie and I are subscribed over there as well, but my heart still belongs to the JMDL :-) Rob, the "friendly and shy" one ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:38:20 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Where Did Our Love Go? I read the morning JMDL on the screen It was full of messages, some were mean Wouldn't they like their peace Don't we get bored And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence No pranks have ever rumbled through our list and the drone of the internet can make us clench our fist We logon for love, not to get pissed And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh and deep in the night Emails find us Hurt us and blind us Deep in the night While listers sit up writing posts We lose the members we like the most They'd like to slam free choice behind us I saw a little lister on the net He said, "I can nail someone I've never met" "Let me show you how these petty accusations can torment you!" Call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh and deep in the night Emails find us Hurt us and blind us Deep in the night While listers sit up writing posts We lose the members we like the most They'd like to slam free choice behind us Last night I dreamed I saw the monitor flicker The digests fell like buffalo Everything got sicker And to the bitter end The list members bickered And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh these times, these times Oh these changing times Change in the heart of JMDLkind Oh these troubled times "Anyone will tell you, just how hard it is to make and keep a friend..." Feeling a little melancholy today, missing the friendlier times here. Leslie Steve Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:20:29 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Joni Covers At 17:47 08/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'd love to hear Joni sing, "Cry Me A River..." My serious suggestions: Autumn Leaves, You Don't Know What Love Is My tongue-in cheek suggestion: Van Morrison's "Professional Jealousy" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:26:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: S&L Guitar, DJRD Hey everyone- I'm curious: has Joni actually played Shadows and Light on her guitar? I noticed that Jim Leahy has a tuning for it (CGDFCE) and I was wondering if anyone was at a concert and she played it like this. Also, does anyone have a *tape* of DJRD (The song) live? I think this would be a really interesting to hear. Perhaps they would like to make a contribution to the next tape tree????? NPIMH: God Must Be A Boogie Man (I'm going to see how long I can keep my guitar in this tuning before I go nuts and change it!) MarkyMark ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | | | "Every disc a poker chip, every | | song just a one-night stand." | | -Joni Mitchell | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:22:43 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: washington post n. hornby profile (SJC) "high fidelity", great book. lots of good stuff in there. def. check it out. good music references, not only to joni. mariana who's listening to nirvana and cake and zebrahead on the radio. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:28:26 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: for Julie Z absolutely NJC I am sorry this has to go out to the whole shebang but this is really for Julie Z only, the rest of you delete. Now. Julie, I am sorry we are not going to get together this weekend. I have been crazed doing a video for the party (it's my parents' 50th anniversary) and know that we are, as a family, going to be crazy. I haven't seen my brother and his family for a couple of years and need to spend time with them and like that. Lots of other stuff--but I will think of you--I will be out in Moon Township. Hope this finds you well. We will do another time. Thanks for understanding. Howard M - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions 16101 South 108th Avenue Orland Park, IL 60462 708-873-3190 708.873.3177 Fax http://www.mpimedia.com "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:32:52 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Homespun Grassroots vs. Eclectic Electric Don Rowe wrote: In many ways, Joni's tangents ARE > her one consistent feature. Before I say anything else let me say that I certainly don't intend any offense to Don or Duane or anybody else. They have a right to their opinions and they are every bit as valid as mine. But it always makes me a little crazy when people talk about Joni going off on tangents or being a stylistic chameleon. To me Joni has *never* gone off on a tangent. Her body of work is a progression. If you listen to it in sequence from STAS to TTT, every album builds on what came before it. Every step she has taken is logical. She merely takes everything she has learned up to a given point in time & takes it a step further with each new record. To me the only record that could even remotely be considered a tangent is 'Mingus' merely because it wasn't her idea in the first place and it was largely a collaboration. But even that album fits stylistically in with where she was headed when she did DJRD (think Overture, Cotton Avenue & the final instrumental section of Paprika Plains). And 'Mingus' was the stylistic fore-runner of 'WTRF' (think of Moon at the Window, Be Cool, Ladies Man) . With TTT she's taken the intimacy & minimalism of NRH & TI & expanded on it & enhanced it with her new instrument. I for one think it's elegant & beautiful and I can't seem to get enough of it at this point in time. And her singing is extraordinary on this record IMO. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Re: technical TTT >For me, one of the strong points of TTT, especially Love Puts On a New >Face, Facelift and Stay In Touch, is the feeling of intimacy. I don't know >the technicalities, but I feel as if Joni is singing more quietly and >closer to the mic than usual. Could this be consistent with the "popping >plosives"? If this problem wasn't caught in the tracking engineering, it should have been cinched in the mastering engineering. That's their job, not Joni's (as a singer.) I've noticed some minor popping, and a little "breathing/cracking" of the compressor - which narrows the dynamic range of her natural voice. (w/o getting too techie - it's a necessary processing for popular music.) IMHO, ever since the Larry-as-co-producer era, I've noticed more and more compression on her vocals - and in the instrumentation general. It gives a "big" sound, aka "lots of gain" - it's an 80'S L.A. sound, i.e. Toto et al. Again IMO, for framing Joni's artistry, I still think the "smaller" HEJIRA sound is superior - eventhough she apparently had pitched battles with Jaco. If you have graphic EQ on your system, experiment with cutting a little bit of 90-100 Hz for the "P's" and 6.5-8 kHz for "T's and S's." Yo Paz, whad'ya say about this? Esquizito ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:07:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Reading Isn't Knowing Hi CJ, You are confusing the postings with the poster. Just because you've read all of Julzie's postings doesn't mean you know her. You know her writing. You know nothing of her strange behavior, throwing objects at the JoniFest earlier this year, for example. So, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to leave the JMDL. As a matter of fact, I'm going to have to ask you *all* to leave. After all, if Chili is offended, aren't we all guilty? Insulted by one of our number, aren't we all guilty? Since I was on digest at the time, I'm blameless.... As other digests like Steve Dulson are also, equally blameless. So you folks using non-digest mode are just going to have to leave. I'm sorry it all has to end like this. CJ wrote: > I agree with you JulieZW - I feel like I know you > due to your frequent and entertaining posts. - -- All choked up, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** This is a joke, okay? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:08:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Reading Isn't Knowing >Hi CJ, >You are confusing the postings with the poster. Just because you've >read all of Julzie's postings doesn't mean you know her. You know her >writing. You know nothing of her strange behavior, throwing objects at >the JoniFest earlier this year, for example. Hey Jim, Good cover-up re Julie! She almost gave us away yesterday with her post. What would the rest of them think if they found out that the 50 or so of us regular posters were actually professional actors hired as shills for Reprise?? BTW - who is in charge of deciding the NJC content threads for next week? I told the boss I need a little time off and would like to "lurk" for awhile but you know how it is working for The Man. Kakki Thisisajoke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:33:24 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: technical TTT In a message dated 10/8/98 9:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rob.jordan@which.net writes: << I don't know the technicalities, but I feel as if Joni is singing more quietly and closer to the mic than usual. Could this be consistent with the "popping plosives"? >> Rob, I was thinking about this today; it makes perfect sense to me. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:30:39 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Homespun Grassroots vs. Eclectic Electric No offense taken Mark. However, I don't think I ever used the word tangent, and I am clearly not accurate in my use of terms like "electronica". I figure I can give myself the freedom (or take a risk, if you will) and people will generally get what I mean. The bottom line to my post was really about first impressions for me. That they are rarely correct with respect to Joni's albums of late. No doubt that I will give TTT plenty of airplay to "acquire" a taste for the new sound. I haven't ever felt lead in the wrong direction with respect to Joni's stuff. Even when nearly everyone else in my immediate life has zero appreciation for her gifts. People change though. Obviously, I am not the same adolescent first hooked to Joni's persona. One thing that I find the most encouraging about this album is that it is inspiring me to create. I had a conversation with my sister Alexis this evening, because I had brought my brother Christopher in to see some of the projects that I have completed recently. She told me that he said, "he was proud of me." I said, "No!, don't say that". What can I do with pride? If you knew me, and my quest to really stay grounded and "real" within the potentially nightmarish superficial world of decorating, you'd understand. Anyway, I said, "I just wish he could be happy for me. That in turn, would make me happy." To which she replied, "but they're kind of mixed together". Then I laughed, "But, Alexis, don't you know that happiness is the best facelift?" We laughed together and agreed that Joni has really hit the mark with that lyric. Brilliant. (side bar is that Alexis turned me on to Joni then left around the HOSL never to really return, to which I traded her Bruce Springsteen, someone I had followed as a Jersey boy quite young, when he was just playing bars) So, it's little things like that exchange, that spark a vast reservoir of create fuel, which has been stored within me for some time now. Where, listening to TI or NRH, although beautiful in their own right, did not do that for me in this more forthright manner. For The Roses, did it for me, C&S did it for me, Hejira REALLY did it for me. Then things became vague and less focused on the creative process and more to do with "reality and responsibility". Enough ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:49:11 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Addendum: Homespun Grassroots vs. Eclectic Electric As with Ric's charming post regarding editing Joni's lyric, I don't feel alone in my theory that this album is designed to inspire more than insight. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:57:53 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: joni display... walking past 'Readings' books and records on Lygon Street Melbourne, a familiar image catches my eye. I turn and there is the first ever Joni window display that i have ever seen! ever. a couple of TTT posters pinned up with a several cd's hanging about and more on a shelf alongside a few copies of the Complete Poems and Lyrics books. Well, well, well. And a couple more copies inside. Well at least that star maker machine is chugging a little bit. Helly. http://fly.to/helly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:18:23 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: attitude & so forth proceed with caution! this will be a long one, with some negative stuff, so skip if you don't wanna hear it. remember, this is all just MHO! first, on the NY times thing: i found the picture to be absolutely stunning. i don't think it makes her look older, it's just an honest portrait. i loved it - very interesting to really see her face unmasked. the article was not unflattering or unfair, either. it was vintage joni. yeah, there was a little BS in there, but there always is (the only usual exception to the rule i know is intvws in musician mag). the underscored lines were definitely wrong, and a misinterpretation of what was said, but that and a few wrong facts were the only thing i found off about it. bad fact 1 - she didn't take up music because of kilauren: > which led to art school, which led to > an unwanted pregnancy (with Kilauren) that forced her to drop out and take up > music in Canada's folk clubs. bad fact 2: blaming charles mingus for her lack of popularity. yes, the album, no, the man. i've been thinking a lot about the article, the hulabaloo about her personality & arrogance, and my own feelings about it. before i joined this club, i collected articles on her - whatever crossed my path or was pointed out to me by family and friends. that was limited almost exclusively to musician, rolling stone, ny times and a couple of popular magazines. when i read joni talking about how underappreciated she was and how rough the biz was on her, i always felt a sense of redemption or something. i thought, 'go girl'. i nodded in agreement. now that i'm almost drowning in joni info, gotta admit her complaints get old. and it might seem the same way even without the jmdl - it's been over 10 years of her saying a lot of the same things in the press. so now my reaction turns to 'get over it for chrissakes & move on!'. and i find her whole attitude especially ironic since she is outputting less and less and the output is not of the genius of her earlier work. yes, it's good, but it's not better than a lot of the people she puts down. her 70s work is better than most people will ever get, no doubt, but she is not a picasso. here's a few responses to recent posts that struck me: > > [NYT] All > of her life she has been considered the grande dame of female singer- > songwriters, and all of her life she has tried to be so much more. > > "One guy came up to me and said, 'You're the best female singer-songwriter in > the world,"' she remembers. "I was thinking: 'What do you mean female? That's > like saying you're the best Negro.' Don't put a lid on it: it transcends > boundaries." can't help but scream once again, "NOT A FEMINIST?". i still am saving my comments about the ani thing, which i also found to be completely honest, not an attack, not unfair. i give joni the thing of not wanting a label. i can dig that totally. but she really contradicts herself in a big way. she's buying things that i can't quite believe. > "I came into the game looking like a folk singer but I was really playing > classical art songs," then please explain 'london bridges' to me, please. her early songs are very folky; her early shows were in the folk tradition (even today are to an extent - - lots of talk between songs). yes, she wasn't woody or seeger. but 'classical art songs' is a bit of a stretch. it is indeed stupid that people think of her that way, but complete denial isn't the way it goes either. > Julie Z: > It's not right, but Performers like Van Morrison can get away with > sulkiness and rudeness because they are men, but more importantly, they > sell a lot more records. Unfortunately, in our culture, a woman, who > wants to sell something, can not get away with the same foibles. i don't think it's that easy. i'm with what you're saying, but it's more complex. van's output is 4x that of joni's. he's toured a lot more. he doesn't really 'get away' with his manners, as we all know about them and he's known for them. people don't avoid joni's records because she's 'a bitch'. they don't buy 'em cause they're depressing to a lot of people, too mellow for a lot of people. van's best music is as non-pop as joni's, but he's got a lot more very successful, upbeat pop songs in his repetoire. i also think it's hard to tell how older women are really going to sell. barbra does just fine, maybe better than when she was young. ella did pretty well in her later years. unfortunately, joni had few contemporaries in pop: janis-dead, grace-burnt out/broken up, mamas-dead/broken up, carole king/one album wonder. aretha seems to be still doing ok, but her music isn't as vital as it once was (and isn't really in the composer category). so, an unexpected answer from a feminist. i just don't believe in taking a victim's view of it. i think joni's point, and i certainly believe chrissie hynde's point is, don't even point it out! i don't doubt that sexism has had a negative effect on her career, but she's created a lot of her own problems. i do think this "only the young" women phenomenon is blatently apparent in hollywood, but i think it's harder to prove in the music biz. joni's just one of thousands of musicians who don't get their deserved respect and promotion, and it's not because of public perception of her attitude. > Deb Messling: > I'm still annoyed with the NY Times. As far > as I know, they have never featured Joni in their magazine section, > and when they finally do, this is what they focus on? give NYT a break. they've often done good press on her when no one else was. she's done very well by them. maybe deb said this too? not sure... > despite Joni's > strong personality and honesty speaking through all of her appearances, > we shouldn't completely rule out the possibility that we still get a > distorted picture of her through the media. You all know how it works... > she says something inappropriate once, but 200 newspapers and 500 TV > stations report it, amplifying the whole thing ad nauseam. i think her statements are extremely consistent. given the amount of times she tells the same stories with the same slants (piano teacher for example) i think we're getting a fair view for the most part. everyone will have their own slant, and some people are gonna ring phoney to her and get the worst side of her, but i'm actually tiring of reading her interviews because she says the same things over and over. and when you hear speaking on a tape tree, you know someone is not interpreting it for you. joni speaks for herself, sometimes shooting herself in the foot, sinking her teeth in the hand. overall, i respect her for it. it's honest, and she's on the money about it. it's just a shame that she's so stuck on being maltreated, especially given her very fortunate life. i'm not saying she's doesn't have struggles like the rest of us, but if i had the admiration of so many people, i hope i wouldn't be so hung up on those that don't appreciate me. Julie quoted from some mag (time?) > The singer is even disdainful of alternative rock. "Everybody say Kurt > Cobain was a great writer. I don't see it. Why is he a hero? Whining and > killing yourself====I fail to see the heroism in that." this is a perfect example for me. i find that right on the money. i read that and say, 'yes'. i found his music to be incredibly unsophisticated, the unplugged performance to lay bare his lack of talent and his message to be nothing but whining. not a great lyricist, a bad singer and worse guitar player (no offense intended to nirvana fans, just MHO). but i try to never say anything bad about other people in my profession - i feel like it makes me look bad. i try to be confident enough in my own work to not feel the need to put someone else down to try to make myself look better. when she gets a public platform and disses other people's music, it's just bad manners. it's unnecessary, and often hurtful to those she trashes. and i often get the sense she doesn't know what she's talking about. she often puts down contemporary music in one broad stroke, like it's all the same thing. i don't have to tell those of you that know me how much great music is being produced, and i hear next to none of it on the radio. she really has no idea what is out there, if her only way of finding out is experimenting by listening to the radio once in a while. she does have imitators who are producing more vital music than she is, whether she can face it or not. Chuck E wrote/quoted: > Further: 'When I dare make a comparison to New Age, she bristles, > "It's composed music." (New Age???) i hate to say it, but my first reaction to the whole album could be summed up in one word even more cruel: muzak. i actually listened to the album on the headphones in the dark last night. i didn't want to write this post until i was sure. i've had the album for about a month. i have not yet been able to listen to it all the way through without getting bored. even last night, i had to skip TTT, i just couldn't stand it. part of the problem is having been exposed to the best songs for so long. i think the album is such a disappointment to me because i hoped for others as good as 'havana'. i waffle on 'stay in touch' - sometimes i like it, sometimes i don't. 'best to you' is nice. i liked 'man from mars' better without the TTT production. 'havana' is terrific (but no 'cotton avenue'). 'crazy cries' is also very good. HiH, MfM & CCoL are the only good songs from a lyric standpoint. this is the thing that is most disappointing to me - the lyrics are often pitiful. she never got the metaphor straight on TTT. 'no apologies' is a mess. the cliches are just awful. there's not a lyric on the thing that lives up to her standards (except donald's perhaps). the VG8 doesn't bug me that much. it's the keyboards that ruin it. that wash that comes in when she puts the bed by the window to watch the xmas lights - that's bad. the VG8 sounds are good, but there's a lot of monotony in the guitar playing itself. a lot of the songs start off sounding the same. there's a sameness in the tempo and strumming. she seems to be playing tools, not instruments. needs a producer. if you're not screaming mad already, i also have to say i don't think the artwork is so great. i loved her paintings on mingus and wild things, and most on TI. these paintings don't do much for me and seem much more amateurish than previous works. i also just went to the van gogh, so shoot me. to add insult to injury, i'll be away from the computer for nearly a week (or maybe this is a blessing?). so if you think i'm snubbing you, i'm not. i will add that i still have a lot of admiration for joni and still expect to like the next one. this is the first (and hopefully only) time that i've ever been disappointed with my first month of a joni album (ok, maybe DED). dousing myself in water barbara np: DMB, crowded streets ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:14:42 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: The Croz I never thought I would see something like this but David Crosby was on Hollywood Squares tonight. What a strange world we live. On a Joni-related note, one of the Seattle papers had the article from the L A Times in it tonight along with a picture from the Gorge show and also the picture that was on the Dylan, Mitchell, Morrison concert poster. Joni in a beret, big toothy smile. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:05:20 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Reading Isn't KnowingNJC NJC NJC At 10:07 PM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi CJ, >You are confusing the postings with the poster. Just because you've >read all of Julzie's postings doesn't mean you know her. You know her >writing. You know nothing of her strange behavior, throwing objects at >the JoniFest earlier this year, for example. Oh gawd, don't tell them about that!!!! Lamadoo-doo wrote: >You are confusing the postings with the poster. Just because you've >read all of Julzie's postings doesn't mean you know her. You know her writing. You know nothing of her strange behavior, throwing objects at the JoniFest earlier this year, for example. Thanks a lot Lamadoo-doo! Oh gawd, Im busted! The jig is up... Will I ever be forgiven for starting that food fight at Pittsburgh Jonifest? Pelting "all my children" with butterscotch candy while we sang "Chelsea Morning," was my way of getting revenge on all of you hired hands from Reprise. Kakki asked: "who is in charge of deciding the NJC content threads for next week? I told the boss I need a little time off and would like to "lurk" for awhile but you know how it is working for The Man." Kakki-luv, rumor has it that "NJC" themes are being put on the back burner, so it looks like it's 'lurkdomville' afterall. Here's the scoop on the poop: it seems that a jmdler love affair has been written into the script, but Kilauren is in the process of deciding who that token boy-toy will be... Stay tuned folks,as the world turns, reporting live from Jmdl Action News--- Julie Z. Webb, jmdl reporter extraordinaire. This broadcast has been made possible by Jim L'Hommedieu's bottle of "WannashampooU.... Again and Again, baaaabeeeee" shampoo and conditioner, by "Taming The Tiger" Hair Products Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:53:26 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: slowcoaches (VLJC) Rob wrote: > This is an interesting issue. Why does it necessarily follow that a higher > work rate leads to crap? agreed. in peter's case, he does have other things he's involved in. he is working on the interactive amusment park and has his own world music record label, just for starters. he also always tours extensively and puts out a lot of intricate video work. but i agree - some are more prolific than others, and joni was at her peak when she was outputting the most. > I can't understand why the industry has changed so > drastically since the seventies. answer: $$$$$. record companies figure that people will only buy so many albums by the same artist. hence why prince left warners - they actually held back many things he wanted to release. they time how many releases will come out at once, and try to get the competition just right so as to sell the most. it's no longer about what an artist can produce, it's how much money the company can make (not that that didn't figure before, just didn't have all those R&D tools to get it all figured just so). > Van Morrison still produces an album every > year, and, while they're not all masterpieces, he maintains an extremely > high standard. i'd say the same for elvis costello. smashing pumpkins are also quite prolific. betty carter was pretty good as churning 'em out too, and not a clunker among them (tho she only wrote 10% of 'em). > Why is it that certain artists feel they need 5 years or > more to write and record 8 or 10 songs? i think some just do. some have other interests, some just aren't as prolific as others. i think peter, and also kate bush, work the hell out of their songs before they release them. peter has been actively working on that album for well over a year now i think. i personally was hoping for christmas :-(. barbara np: beethovan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: Joni in my Dream (SJC) Katie wrote: >>Dr. Sigmondegreen, Please help! I dreamed last night that I was in Jamaica at one of those tin-roofed roadside stands where you can get Jerk Chicken (yum yum).<< Chicken jerking? Hmmmm. >>The Jamaican guy in the shack cooking the chicken was singing "My Best to You"<< And he's thinking of you... or you're wanting him to. Yes? >>and I could hear all of the instruments (but couldn't see any musicians). All I could think was, WOW, Joni took a Jamaican Folk Song and turned it into one of hers.<< You want this rough, untamed man (someone you know?) to see you and desire you for your deeper qualities, those qualities that you indentify with in Joni. Your wish is that he will change, but the process can only be enacted by someone not of mortal bounds. Close? --But no cigar. I don't smoke them. ;) Ignatz Mouse (nee Robert Glenn Plotner) == Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:03:04 -0600 From: Evian Subject: Peter Gabriel (NJC) > Would you prefer that they pump out crap every 6 or 9 months merely to sell > CDs and keep their name in the public eye? > I think not. > I don't think we are begging for Peter, or Joni, or whoever else we are a fan of that takes forever to release a new album (Stevie Nicks is someone else I am thinking of), to spew something out every 9 months to keep in the public eye. However, I mean, come on... "Us" was released HOW many years ago??? I don't want Gabriel to release another album every 6-9 months, BUT, 6-9 YEARS seems a little long to release a new album. And, we mustn't forget, Joni has a pretty good track record with releasing albums every year! Cheers, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:03:39 -0600 From: Evian Subject: American currency (NJC) > One of the things I found difficult on my US was that the notes all looked > the same-same colour and size. Here each note is a different colouir and > size-saves mistakes being made!!! > Colin, I too have a hard time with American money. With Canadian money, at least every bill is a different colour. With American money, I get nervous thinking that I am going to accidently tip with a $50 or something. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:18:18 -0600 From: Evian Subject: Good Friends Video Hey, am I totally mistaken, or is there really a video for "Good Friends?" I seem to remember seeing a video for "Good Friends" all the time on MuchMusic, and of course, since I wasn't into Joni at the time, I ignored it. Wasn't the video animated or something? Please tell me if I am correct about there being a video for the song. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 02:49:45 EDT From: Green51976@aol.com Subject: Re: my tix plans In a message dated 10/9/98 1:05:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!, barbearuh@erols.com writes: << is anyone trying to buy for others, or aware of JMDL demand for tix? >> i think i should somehow try to sell my tickets for the nyc show and just go see her in MD. i have the 35$ tickets and i bet i wont even be able to see... i am in a quandry about the whole thing. anyone think it will be difficult to get the 40$ tickets for the MD show? i just want to be able to see... this is my one hope. andy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #407 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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