From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #399 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 6 1998 Volume 03 : Number 399 Join the concert meet and greet lists by sending a message to any of these addresses: -Syracuse@jmdl.com Rochester@jmdl.com CollegePark@jmdl.com -Nashville@jmdl.com Atlanta@jmdl.com Orlando@jmdl.com -Tampa@jmdl.com Sunrise@jmdl.com Chicago@jmdl.com -NewYork@jmdl.com Detroit@jmdl.com Toronto@jmdl.com -Indianapolis@jmdl.com Minneapolis@jmdl.com Kanata@jmdl.com ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re "Complain, Complain," Joni [Howard Motyl ] RE: tix in ny (an apology) [trxschwa ] Joni - Joni - Joni: shorcomings and all [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: in defense of joni's attitude [catman ] Re: people yawn, people fart: people are human [catman ] Critiqueing Joni [Don Sloan ] Everyone hates everyone... [Marilune@aol.com] RE:NJC Sandboxes ["wallykai" ] Re: Chili/David/leaving (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: in defense of joni's attitude [RickieLee1@aol.com] Joni on Probation ["Kakki" ] Joni & The "B" word [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: To Chili (NJC) [Mark or Travis ] Re: Joni on Probation ["Ken (Slarty)" ] WHO IS GOING TO MAPLE LEAF GARDENS? [Bounced Message ] Re: Chili departure [Robert Glenn Plotner ] tolerance (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] RE: Chili/David/leaving (NJC) ["wallykai" ] Re: NJC Sandboxes [IVPAUL42@aol.com] re: Borders' Bad Display [JAWebster2@aol.com] RE: tix in ny (an apology) [pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito)] Re: in defense of joni's attitude [pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito)] australia, ttt, yawning?! [Helen Gill ] (NJC) I'm officially a music whore [Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re "Complain, Complain," Joni From: "Philipf" I think your reaction is a little drastic. She only refused to do an encore. As I recall from the report on Wally's site, she played a long and brilliant solo set. An encore is a special gift an artist gives to an audience. If Joni didn't feel any special level of warmth and appreciation coming back from the audience for her performance, then she was perfectly right not to give them an encore. Could the man who yawned not have covered his mouth or something ? If I thought that I would ever be fortunate enough to see a solo performance by Joni Mitchell again in my life I probably wouldn't sleep for a week beforehand but I think I could manage to avoid making such an appalling display of bad manners in her presence. I pity the yawning man in the front row. He has money but lacks manners. How sad. I expect great artists to be a little edgy and volatile and I'm getting a little sick of the level of criticism she's getting here for both the yawn incident and the interviews. Great artists are not public property and don't have to conform to any particular expectations we might have. So, if you can cut a break to the performer whose audience had to pay ticket prices beginning at $500 and there were many who paid much more than that, why can't you cut a break to the guy who yawned. You make complete assumptions about what happened. How do you know he didn't cover his mouth? How do you know he wasn't up for a week? How do you know he is rich enough to pay for the ticket? How do you know he wasn't some worker bee who had the dumb luck to be given the ticket by someone else who couldn't go? And just because he is rich means he cannot yawn? Yawning doesn't necessarily mean someone is bored. And since when is it such a social faux pas to yawn? I thought that was reserved for farting and burping. BE careful of your judgments of complete utter strangers that you read about. As for Ms. Mitchell, and I was going to try to get through the day without sending a disparaging word about her, but your entry got to me. Over the weekend, I heard the Mourning becomes Electra interview where she talked about winning a Grammy and she pretty much said it was a joke. That she was given the award to shut her up. I think JM is a genius, I really do, and I have defended her to so many people and friends I cannot tell you but her tirade the Grammys was too much. As I was listening, I heard myself say aloud "How ungrateful." She backpedaled a bit and said she was happy for her fans. What is up with her? Does she not think she deserved it? I know the Grammys are highly politicized and sometimes they are a joke but this was too much. Could she *possibly* have thought that this was the music industry's way of saying thank you for the great music that you haven't been rewarded for, and we chose this album because it is really great. or *could* it have been the music industry's way of apologizing for overlooking for her so long. Whatever the reason, she got the award--enough bad mouthing everything. What would make her happy? What does she think she deserves? She was even curmudgeonly on Good Morning America, talking about how the industry has treated her. Somebody at that label must be doing something for her because there are reviews of TTT everywhere and she is appearing everywhere but she isn't going to win any new fans that hear her kvetching about her poor life as a millionaire. (Joni, I hate how you have been treated but talk to *the bad guys* about it, thank you. I have heard enough and I buy your albums the day they are released.) And I know she has problems but sometimes you swallow heard and allow yourself to be happy. Accept the adulation graciously and move on. Sometimes, I think Joni has to take the advice she has been giving her mother: Happiness is the best facelift. And great artists don't have to conform to what we want but great artists don't have to bad or rude people. Life is about joy and striving for it. Joni has to allow herself some and then tell us about that joy, a little more often. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:02:24 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: tix in ny (an apology) hi folks, i posted> i apologize, but at this late date, i don't know what i'm going to do about tickets for joni at msg tomorrow. and wrote about how unhappy i am about the dylan aspect. one jmdler posted approximately 'fine, then don't go, but we could have used this info earlier' which is absolutely true. i'm truly sorry if this very tardy announcement affected anyone. i don't believe i'd promised to buy and/or front tix for anyone (that'd be unreasonable, don't you think?). ken grant had done great research, so anyone with a computer and a phonebook knew where to call or go. i hope everyone has the tickets they want, or will order from bdts tomorrow. that said, i'd like to hear from msg ticket-buyers. what did you get? is everyone set? please let me and the new york list know. of equal importance, what can we do to make this jmdl weekend spectacular, as so many recent ones have been? some of us locals are already working on this, and we would love input. some of the out-of-towners have a suite in a soho hotel. new york is thick with settle-in restaurants. the halloween parade is saturday evening. lots to talk about, so talk to us... patrick np - hejira, from misses ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:08:46 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Joni - Joni - Joni: shorcomings and all from Carole: >>I can't help but feel for Joni when we, as a group, inspect and dissect her words and actions. Why can't she be allowed to be human? I know I have a few bad days and say things I later regret. == I agree w/ Carole, but because her music is so personal to herself and her story, I wonder more and more about her as a person. (Of course, I liked Terry's post which said that she didn't have to like her as a person, she just liked her work.) And being an artist who puts her work out there to buy, she is a bit in the public domain. Not that she can't be human and have her failings like the rest of us, but I'm afraid that this looking and looking comes with the territory. On the plus side, I seem to see people wondering more about the basic values that make up a person rather than what kind of underwear she likes to pull on. Or not. MG NP: those accounts were due by 3:00!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:31:14 -0700 From: ginny Subject: Re: in defense of joni's attitude Carole Blakey wrote: "I can't help but feel for Joni when we, as a group, inspect and dissect her words and actions. Why can't she be allowed to be human?" I agree with you, Carole. To quote Mike Nichols, "…after all humanity is all that matters." And she has given us such beautiful humanity to admire. I would not love a "Barbie Doll" Joni nearly as much. Each new release is like a very long visit in my kitchen with my buddy. Ginny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:37:36 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: in defense of joni's attitude Tolerance, to me, does not mean 'putting up with things' especially crap! No for me it means trying to be less judgemental and more compassionate to those that irritate me or behave in ways I judge to be not good. Or it means being kind to someone who one doesn't really like or who gets on your tits. It doesn't mean putting up with unacceptable behaviour such as violence, rudeness, abuse of any sort. Putting up with that is not tolerance but lack of love and respect for oneself. Joni has a right to bitch about the way her record co's have treated her if she feels agrieved. If the yawn story is true she could have been tolereant but wasn't. However, like I already said, i see her as a human being-divine and flawed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:37:54 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: in defense of joni's attitude I often wonder what Joni would think if she di read our list. If I were in that positon I think I might feel flattered, embarrassed and angry and hurt. Although I probably wouldn't care that much-I think Joni can live regardless of what any of us think of her, whether we think she is a Goddess of just a human with talent. Cblakey5@aol.com wrote: > I can't help but feel for Joni when we, as a group, inspect and dissect her > words and actions. Why can't she be allowed to be human? I know I have a few > bad days and say things I later regret. > > The older I get (now 43) the more I am able to accept the apparent > contrdictions in myself. Imperfections. I am also less willing to play to > play other people's games. I admire her for her ability to set limits with > others and keep a private life. She is the person of accumulated life > experiences. I can respect that. I can also give her the benefit of the > doubt as I would want. > > thanks for listening, carole - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:37:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: people yawn, people fart: people are human > > > I bet this post made you yawn (or fart)!! ;) You oost! i burped-but only cos I was eating dinner at the same time as reading and typing!I enjoyed the post too and agree. > > > my best to you! > > joejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoe > (in atlanta I will politely hand out flyers requesting that audience > members not yawn) > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:37:35 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Re: people yawn, people fart: people are human Look, I know that to yawn is human. It becomes bad manners when you make it obvious to the person who is speaking to you or worse still singing for you that you are yawning. We've all endured boring college lectures or business meetings but we find ways of hiding our yawns. I usually find the best solution is to get up and leave. Yer man in the front row should have found a way of hiding his yawn from her, in my opinion. I'm having a real problem understanding what exactly this "nasty" Joni Mitchell person has said that is causing so much alarm around here. She strikes me as a person who has probably kissed the blarney stone more often than recommended - - first time I saw her in concert the PA kept breaking down and she ended up telling stories and jokes for a good part of the two hours. Anyhow I am going to read the only recent interviews I know about which are Mojo, Ani (I forget her surname), NY Times to see if there is anything I should get mad about. Philip NP DJ Shadow - entroducing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:37:47 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Lucinda Williams on Late Show, NJC Sherrie and others: Lucinda sang "It's Over". I was really surprised because after she sang and chatted with Jay Leno for about 3 minutes which is unusual. He said he remembers over the years when he was making his way in the business running into her in various "dives". She got quite a laugh out of this and told the story about being in one place where a "roach" dropped from the ceiling onto her head. Needless to say, she left. She also talked about being given a butter bean by her mother which was kind of a good luck charm - it was passed to her and blessed supposedly by a Catholic priest. Re: The Sessions video. I'm not convinced that this even aired because it wasn't even listed in my area. In the past I've watched Sessions - Daniel Lanlois/Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin, Rickie Lee Jones, etc. These shows were broadcast by PBS in Buffalo which would be the closest proximity to where I live (near Toronto). There have been no listings lately for any new shows in this area featuring Lucinda. I'm sure we'll see something soon! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:53:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: people yawn, people fart: people are human I spent all day yesterday at the Lhasa Apso Club Championship Show. I sat next to the judging table so i could see well, about two feet from the judge. I yawned all the way thru it. I was far away from bored-I was thrilled and fascinated but still tired. I yawned at the Dar concert the other night but not because I was bored. I have never understood why yawning equals boredom-I have even yawned during sex-and laughed and talked-and I was NOT bored! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:10:48 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Chili/David/leaving (NJC) OK, I *swore* I wasn't going to get caught up in this one. I have nothing whatsoever against either Chili or David Marine. And it's possible that I didn't read this weekend's posts carefully enough to fully understand why David asked Chilihead to leave. But here goes. . . David apparently sent Chili a *private* post asking him to leave the list. He did *not* publicly excoriate Chilihead on the JMDL. He did *not* send his private e-mail with Les's sanction, or knowledge. David is only one of 500 list members. He expressed his own opinion, in a personal communication. We would never have known about this e-mail if Chili himself hadn't sent it to the list. What's the problem? Where's the censorship? It would be nice if, as a result of our participation in the JMDL, none of us ever received e-mails from anyone who disagreed with us in the strongest of possible terms, or was having an especially bad day, or just didn't think something through completely before sending, or--perhaps--was just plain rude. But there are 500 of us here from various cultures and family backgrounds. Most of us have never met in person. We don't have the benefit of non-verbal signals with this medium of communication. A lot of our reaction to what is posted is based on guesswork and faith, and many times, we'll be right. Sometimes, though, we respond to miscues, or answer in a manner that leads to hurt and misunderstanding. It's unfortunate, but with a list so large, and communicating in this manner, it's bound to happen. This is a wonderful group of intelligent, warm-hearted people who have greatly enriched my life in the past two years. I hope we keep on welcoming *all* expressions of opinion (although, of course, with the NJC tag firmly affixed, where appropriate! ;-) ). On the other hand, let's remember the tremendous power of words to move us to either joy or tears before pressing the "send" key on both public and private posts. After all, isn't that power, in Joni's hands, a large part of what we came together to celebrate? And maybe we should catch ourselves, too, from overreacting to that nasty post that so-and-so sent (I know I've done it!), before realizing that so-and-so might have deeply regretted doing so just five minutes later, or will be only too happy to engage us in animated conversation in the corner at the next Jonifest. . . . Stepping where I usually try not to go. . . leaving now. . . Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 18:37:21 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Critiqueing Joni After reading all the digests of late, peppered as they were with interesting and insightful commentaries and critiques of Joni's personality, I loaded up the CD player with the following: TTT, Hejira, Song To A Seagull, Blue and LOTC. In the context of this small sample of her work, I can't get too excited about how she comes across in interviews. I've never had the pleasure of meeting Joni, but found her vibe in the intimate Warner Taping setting to be extremely warm and appreciative. The rest of it's just a game that Joni doesn't play very well (music and media biz). And if she did, maybe she would have to temper the honesty that has been a key ingredient in the making of so much magic and wonder that impresses and touches us still. In a world where so many are hypnotized by the spin, it's refreshing to know Joni is still telling it like she sees it. Honesty - at least the kind that comes with a price - is a rare commodity these days. And if I may speculate for a moment, I'm thinking that maybe as she spends more time with her new-found family, when the "hole" in her becomes comfortably filled, perhaps the edge will smooth out and she will become more accepting of the magnificent life she has created for herself. In any event, I'm damn grateful she has been a part of my life for the last 30 years. Don NP: Getz/Gilberto #2 Live at Carnegie Hall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:56:54 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Everyone hates everyone... i reserve the right to hold my grudges friends like you, you know the rest but all told, i hold on to my anger far too long until it's a joke the night is cold the joke is old (and poorly told, i told you once) -Harvey Danger i have never seen so much anger or hatred flying back and forth on this list. it's really horrible and depressing and terrible in every sense of the word! i go to school where bashing your peers is taboo and swearing, smoking, and stupidity rule. so i really hate logging onto the net and finding the same thing going about. is it the stars? whatever it is, just CALM DOWN. at least let's try to get along. or imagine doing just what the big bang did (the breeders). - -mariana NP: Fugazi, -Red Medicine- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:09:55 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE:NJC Sandboxes Chili, all right already, leave if you will, or stay if you will, but stop all this self-advertising and accusations of having been censored. NO ONE HAS CENSORED YOU. SNAP OUT OF IT. WallyK This is too funny, being censored on the JMDL! Kind of an oxymoron don't you >think? > >-Chili ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:11:04 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Chili/David/leaving (NJC) that was very wisely put mary. i wish i had thought to say it myself. thank you for putting my feelings into words so eloquent. i am very disappointed and dismayed to see chili leave as i enjoy his posts immensely. and i don't want to make any judgements about anything david may or may not have said because i also admire his intelligence and sensibilities on the rare occaisions when he has contributed to this or that thread. maybe david was having a bad day. maybe chili was having one when he heard from him. whatever the case, i hope chili reconsiders and we all put your post on permanent save to be read the next time any of us feels our blood pressure rising over some unfortunately worded transmission from someone else. again, thanks for your post. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:10:56 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: in defense of joni's attitude hi carole and don - could either one of you (or anyone else out there in joni land) do me a favor and point out the post to me where ANYONE said that joni was not being allowed to be human? this is, it seems, one of the ways how things get out of hand in these threads. i am reminded when several folks started chastising marian after she suggested we get joni a computer for her birthday. suddenly the reason marian had made the suggestion was so joni would then feel obligated to join the jmdl and start emailing us all, which, of course neither marian or anyone else had ever suggested. i really don't see how criticizing joni for bad behavior, which she is as capable of as any of the rest of us, is denying her the right to be a human being. but i don't read every post on this list, so maybe i missed the one that did. so, if you guys know, please enlighten me. i would be interested to read it... thanks - ric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:22:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni on Probation thisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisis Joni, Several examples of your inexcusable behavior have recently come to our attention. We had no idea that you have been such a bad girl. You are hereby put on probation until further notice. Yes, this is a harsh step to take but you have so greatly offended us that we find this step to be our only option. We are giving you only one more chance to start behaving like the perfect idol we expect of you. In the interim, for your many transgressions, we have made the following recommendations for your rehabilitation to Joni Police Headquarters: 1. For your refusal to do an encore at the Chicago benefit, we request that you make a donation to the American Narcoleptic Association in the amount of $5,000, an amount equal to that which that poor man who yawned at you had to pay to be subject to your display of temper and selfishness; 2. For the arrogant representation that you were the first to use World Music in your songs, we request that you be forced to listen to Polka music every night for one month; 3. For writing the lyric of "formula music, girlie guile, genuine junk food for juveniles", we request that you not only purchase 1,000 units each of Alanis and Celine's latest albums, but you also be forced to listen to them every night for one month. (You will have the option of listening to them either before or after the Polka music); 4. For 30 years of incorrigible behavior and statements against the record industry, we request that you be made to dust and vacumn each of David Geffen's mansions, every Saturday for one year; 5. For writing a song about your cat and leading us to believe it was about Larry, we request that you be made to take out a full-page ad in Billboard publicly apologizing to him, your fans, your cats and Martians; 6. For brazenly "gleaming with Donald" down your poor mama's street, we request a donation of 5,000 Lionel train sets to the children of Saskatoon. 7. For repeatedly sticking your foot in your mouth during interviews, we are sending you to an advanced 12-month Dale Carnegie course on how to win friends, influence people and successfully sell your product. 8. And finally, for your most grievous transgression of daring to express less than perfect delight with the business of touring, we are taking ALL your cigarettes away for the duration of the upcoming tour. Komrade Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:33:56 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Joni & The "B" word Hey all, Boy, it's hard keeping up these days even for a 'digester' (4-5 a day; whew!) When I read all the posts about Joni being a "Bitch", it reminded me of the band Saffire. These blueswomen love men, bash men, and put on a great show if you've ever seen them you know I'm tellin' it like it is. Anyway, the guitarist and vocalist (all three of them sing), Gaye Adegbalola, introduces their song "Bitch with a Bad Attitude", by saying that she's glad when someone calls her a bitch because in her mind it stands for: Being In Total Control of Herself Joni certainly falls in that category as well. Which segues into my next comment about Joni's unwillingness to play "oldies" as demanded by concert crowds: Yes, Joni wants to succeed but she insists on winning by her own rules. It can be very frustrating. It brings to mind my experiences as a kids' baseball coach, and playing all the kids at all the positions in the field and in the lineup, even though it may not be the quickest path to a victory, when you do win a game it's all the more sweeter because you won it the way you wanted to, and the kid who's never batted first before or played anything but right field has a great memory. My point is, I think we set ourselves up for disappointment when we "hope" Joni thinks like us. She doesn't. She will continue to play by her own rules rather than revel in a hollow victory. Bye for now - gotta get back to reading the two digests I got while composing this :-D Bob M. in SC NP: Saffire - "Old, New, Borrowed & Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 19:52:21 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: To Chili (NJC) Mark wrote: > > > >As some of you may remember, I was a total jerk last year to practically > >everyone on this list. I eventually was booted for my opinions and it took > >about a month of "I'm Sorry"'s to get Les' approval of getting back on. So you *are* the same Harpua! I have to give you credit, Mark. You're a great contributer to this community now & I, for one, am glad you're here. and then Heather wrote: When I first joined this list I got some awful private > posts from certain people on the JMDL. Everytime I read something like this I am somewhat incredulous. I always wonder who is *doing* this kind of shit and why, fercrissake? Do some people have nothing better to do than to try & hurt other people's feelings? How sick is that?! Who the hell do they think they are?! I usually try & stay out of it when people are having a spat on the list but this really makes me angry. Who gave any one of us the right to decide who should be here & who shouldn't? I say use your delete key but don't go attacking them personally just because you don't agree with them or don't like what they write. God I just can't believe how petty & mean people can be sometimes. It really does upset me. I thought "gee I was all excited to > find that other people who like Joni and I can share my thoughts." I can > tell you all that I was really bummed by those posts. Mark shared his > experience with me and I'm glad he did. I have met some wonderful people > on this list. I'm glad I stuck around. I'm glad you both stuck around, Heather & Mark. Mark in Seattle (sorry about the rant but I had to get this off my chest) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:55:21 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni on Probation THIS IS NO JOKE! If I hear Joni doing anything even slightly resembling polka music on her next album I will personally hold you responsible!!! But besides that I thought your post was a hoot. Kakki wrote: > thisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisis > > Joni, > > Several examples of your inexcusable behavior have recently come to our > attention. We had no idea that you have been such a bad girl. You are > hereby put on probation until further notice. Yes, this is a harsh step to > take but you have so greatly offended us that we find this step to be our > only option. We are giving you only one more chance to start behaving like > the perfect idol we expect of you. In the interim, for your many > transgressions, we have made the following recommendations for your > rehabilitation to Joni Police Headquarters: > > > > 2. For the arrogant representation that you were the first to use World > Music in your songs, we request that you be forced to listen to Polka music > every night for one month; ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:13:22 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: WHO IS GOING TO MAPLE LEAF GARDENS? From: "Dave Doherty" Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:55:07 -0400 Hi all, just a quick note to find out who is going to the Toronto gig, where is everyone meeting proir to the show,it is going to be quite the evening. '' I am as constant as a northern star'' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: Chili departure >>can anyone explain to me why the chilehead was asked to leave the listand who asked him to do so? pj<< I think he submitted a bad chili recipe to the cookbook. Ignatz Mouse (nee Robert Glenn Plotner) == Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:22:15 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: tolerance (NJC) I am very moved by the number of JMDLers who express tolerance for people even when we are behaving like complete imbeciles I behave like a complete imbecile about 70% of time (kinda like Joni but without the talent or cheekbones). So it's good to know you guys forgive me my crankiness and arrogance. I'm not in the habit of forgiving much -- hope I can learn from all of you! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:33:25 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE: Chili/David/leaving (NJC) As usual, La Pitassi is the voice of wisdom. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:37:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Sandboxes In a message dated 10/5/98 10:13:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << Chili, all right already, leave if you will, or stay if you will, but stop all this self-advertising and accusations of having been censored. NO ONE HAS CENSORED YOU. SNAP OUT OF IT. WallyK >> Well said, Wally. I'm beginning to wonder what's REALLY going on here. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:43:23 EDT From: JAWebster2@aol.com Subject: re: Borders' Bad Display >>While at Borders this weekend, I noticed that Joni is the featured artist of the month. Let's think about their promotion of this one: Her new CD is admittedly up with the new releases. It is, however, way below eye level and not displayed in a way that tells me she is a featured artist, kumquat or espresso flavor of the day. Her catalogue in stock excludes such gems as "FTR," "Court and Spark," and "Hejira." They did have 5 copies each of "Hits" and "Misses." I would have investigated further, but I was shopping with a teen. "nuff said. Anyone else see this at their Borders or is this just specific to Davis? MG<< MG - I guess as a kinda Borders corporate representative on this board, I'll try to give you an answer. Borders' Artist of The Month promotion is a program that record labels pay money for. In exchange for this money, Borders creates the poster you saw, and guarantees pricing and positioning in the store for the new release, and positioning of 5-10 key catalog pieces by the artist. With Joni, it got awkward since some of her records are on Asylum (now Elektra) and some on Geffen. Since the pop buyer isn't too much of a Joni fan, I actually chose the titles for display, picking a few Elektra titles (even though Warner/Reprise was paying for it) just because I couldn't bear to see a Joni display w/o Hejira in it. As far as how you saw it displayed (in Davis? I think that's one of our newest stores), I can only say that headquarters leaves it up to each store how to display it, since each store has different fixtures. I'm sorry that the display looked so pathetic. Personally, I am thrilled that Joni is artist of the month, and not John Tesh or Alanis, you know? Forgive me if I overstep my bounds on my second post. - -jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:04:36 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: RE: tix in ny (an apology) No hurt feelings here. I was just unclear since I was away all last week. And no, my half-ass quest did not win me a prize. I didn't make it to Ticketmaster until noon EST; by then - what was available was not worth having, IMO (section 349.) My music partner may be more dissapointed than I (I was buying for the both of us) - he was really looking forward to the "double legends factor." Anyway, if anybody wants to unload a pair - let's talk. Esquizito www.interport.net/~pswmusic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Re: in defense of joni's attitude Oh, Love is snakes and ladders. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:10:43 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: australia, ttt, yawning?! 1. a ha I've found it and bought it...in melbourne, possibly the only copy, from collectors corner on Swanston Street. an enormous $35 (gulp) but nevermind...it'll be more if we get that damned GST! (curse those liberal voters) possibly the only copy in our country! 2. gee the packaging's fairly catty eh? its a bit of bad luck if you ain't a cat person really isn't it! (personally can't stand them!) 3. all the nonsense and bickering at the moment on this list has caused multiple yawns from me.....so no encore please. that's all, nice 'n brief. "no gas til thursday" Helen. http://fly.to/helly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:15:04 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) I'm officially a music whore OK, so before Liz Phair took the stage at her (great) concert tonight, she ran a cheesy 30-minute slide show of pictures of her accompanied by a wide variety of music. The pictures were awful and indulgent, but the music was very cool (speaks well of Liz's taste). The sad part was that I not only knew, but owned a copy of, every single "random" song she chose but one. And some of them were obscure soundtrack cuts and stuff. I am truly a junkie. For those who still care: Iggy Pop, "Lust for Life" Violent Femmes, "Kiss Off" Prince, "Little Red Corvette" Madonna, "Ray of Light" some country song that I liked Dionne Farris, "Hopeless" (this and the next one were the real kickers) Katell Keineg, "One Hell of a Life" To top it all off, the post-show music was Belle and Sebastian's _If You're Feeling Sinister_, a desert island disc for me. I guess this means I can stop buying music. As if. Oh yeah, and Liz rawked. She's not quite comfortable with herself on stage yet, but her band was really tight and her Mona Ramsey back-up singer matched her tone perfectly. The set list included "Supernova" and two other _Whip-Smart_ tracks, "Divorce Song," "Fuck and Run," "Flower," "6'1"," "Mesmerizing," "Never Said," "Explain It to Me," and "Dance of the Seven Veils" from _Exile in Guyville_, and "Perfect World," "Johnny Feelgood," "Polyester Bride," "Uncle Alvarez," "What Makes You Happy," and the title track from _whitechocolatespaceegg_. Also picked up tix for PJ Harvey on 11/6--yay!!!! - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:19:02 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Joni Mitchell on PPV(small kdc) Hey kidz, got this one from the k.d. list (a little "cross-pollination" never hurt anybody.) Esquizito >Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:30:31 -0700 (PDT) >From: YT Chong >Subject: Joni Mitchell on PPV(small kdc) >To: k-d-lang@world.std.com >Sender: k-d-lang-approval@world.std.com >Precedence: list >Reply-To: k-d-lang@world.std.com >X-UIDL: 32d9ada24b6075d1b52700ae19f34c4e > >Hi! > >Was looking thru' www.rockontv.com like i do every week and came >across this under "coming soon" > >Pay-Per-View (PPV) >"Taming the Tiger: An Evening with Joni Mitchell" - Joni > Mitchell's intimate performance, attended by >celebrity friends and fans such as >Rosanna Arquette, who introduces the evening, > k.d. Lang, Joaquin Cooder, Natalie Imbruglia, Bijou & >Mackenzie Philips, Graham Nash, >Darryl Hannah, John Densmore, among > others, was taped on the Warner Bros. lot in May of this year. The > concert includes songs from >Mitchell's soon to be released album > "Taming The Tiger" (Reprise), as well as old favorites. Peppered > with humorous personal stories and an >exclusive gallery presentation of >Mitchell's own artwork, the event offers a rare, > personal look behind the genius of Joni Mitchell (11/06) > > >YuTing > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:02:15 -0600 From: Evian Subject: one last post on the whole arrogance thang! Ok, one last thought about this whole arrogance thing... Put yourself in Joni's shoes. She is lauded by everyone who counts in the industry as a major influence, her earlier works are regarded as classics, and she has been to many "people's parties". Then, along comes the 80's, and suddenly she can't get played on radio if her life depended on it, even though her work retained the same artistic genius. The people who praised her work as an influence grow richer and richer, and retain artistic integrity in the press. Would you cry sour grapes? I would. I really wish that Joni would be more "media-friendly" in terms of interviews, promotions, set lists at concerts, etc. However, she choses not to do so, and while it bothers me that she doesn't, well, its her life.... If I was Joni, and Henley was getting 100 grand more than I was, of course I would cry fowl. Even though she was paid handsomely, she still wasn't paid the same as her male peer. And when the hell has Henley released a new album???? So, in a nutshell, since I am rambling again, Joni may be arrogant, but then again, if I was her, you bet your sweet petootie I would be too!!!!! And while I wish her setlist would include some more 'oldies' just to get the crowd going, well, she is doing things the way she wants to, so more power to her! Lordy, I can't believe she is doing shows with Dylan again... the only thing that would make the Dylan part of the show interesting for me is if Soy Bomb made another appearance! Evian (who, btw, is thinking of dressing as Soy Bomb for Halloween if I can get over the insecurity of showing off my flabby belly at the party!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:43:28 -0300 From: "wallykai" Subject: RE: (NJC) I'm officially a music whore Michael, How I envy you! I'd give anything to see Liz live! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:38:32 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: (NJC) Gershwin/Porgy and Bess trxschwa wrote: >>np on tv - gershwin celebration at carnegie - second rhapsody Patrick, I saw/heard this and it was great. I had not heard the 2nd Rhapsody. But what brought tears and a lump to me was the incredible performance of "Bess, You Is My Woman Now." I've been playing this tune on my piano gig, and it's such a great piece of music just in its notes. But this performance, with original orchestration and interwoven contrapuntal voices was mind blowing, that is, my mind was blown. A masterpiece of interpretive art. Something occurred to me though: I'm not that big a fan of classical/operatic vocal style ... all that bravura and vibrato; I prefer more "natural," colloquial singing, ala Joni, James Taylor, Aretha, Shawn Colvin, The Beatles, Milton Nascimento, etc. Now, I did love this particular performance, which was mostly operatic with a tinge of colloquial in it. But it led me to wonder whether there are any recorded performances done in a completely colloquial style -- maybe with Stevie Wonder as Porgy (although his voice is probably too high) and Aretha as Bess (which I know she could easily pull off having heard her aria at the Grammys, which made me want to hear all opera sung the way she does). I mean, Porgy and Bess is a folk opera ... are there any recorded folk performances? It seems there must be ... - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:47:45 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: TTT/Spell Catcher glitch An amusing little glitch ... Spell Catcher automatically interprets TTT as an abbreviation for the current time. So whenever I type TTT it erases itself and changes to 1:55:54 AM or whatever. So I have to type TTR or something and then go back and change it. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:54:20 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NYTWho's to blame? I found the writer alternately fair and unfair. And also thought Joni alternately cool and uncool. So goes journalism. So goes Joni. The picture was nice, and contrary to what someone here thought, she doesn't look 64, she looks exactly 54 ... that's what a real, unreconstructed, 54 year old woman looks like, which is beautiful. - -Fred ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #399 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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