From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #378 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, September 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 378 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- bios/passwords on site (NJC) [Evian ] will tomorrow be a TTT day??? [Evian ] Eagle Rock TV Special [Wally Breese ] Re: Eagle Rock TV Special [IVPAUL42@aol.com] I have TTT in my clutches!!! [Hassan Zubairi ] Purple Rain /Joni chords [Howard Wright ] RE: Lead Baloon ["Philipf" ] Ticket contest for Detroit concert! [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Eagle Rock TV Special [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Eagle Rock TV Special ["Deb Messling" ] JMDL Guitar files update - TTT [Howard Wright ] Pay (through the nose) Per View ["Deb Messling" ] Bio [Hassan Zubairi ] TTT [Hassan Zubairi ] pedal steel ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Lead Balloon [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni on VH1 [Phyliss Ward ] BAseball thread NJC [Howard Motyl ] In light of the cookbook, b-day card etc. JC [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] People magazine review [Michael Yarbrough ] NJC Georges [Hassan Zubairi ] Re: In light of the cookbook, b-day card etc. JC -Reply [Jerry Notaro ] more joni quotes [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Storm WARNINGS!!!! (NJC) [michael paz ] Joni TV Special - Cable info [Phyliss Ward ] Re: TTT (silence) [jussi ] TI steps aside [Scott Price ] (NJC)jazzmen can't rock ["John M. Lind" ] Re: bios/passwords on site (NJC) [Charstarl@aol.com] Marketing TTT - more JC from MG [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: bios/passwords on site (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC)jazzmen can't rock ["Don Rowe" ] Re: bios/passwords on site (NJC) [heather ] Re: boo hooed? [JRMCo1@aol.com] What's in the "M" section? [AzeemAK@aol.com] Taming the Tiger [AzeemAK@aol.com] Whats Up? The Moon? You Gotta Be! ["Julie Z. Webb" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:24:46 -0600 From: Evian Subject: bios/passwords on site (NJC) > what do you all, particularly Les, think about > making a protected section of the JMDL? Expanding a little on Marian's > suggestion, we could then protect the Gallery, the bios, the cookbook, > whatever... from the general public. It wouldn't need to be much > protection; one password that only we would know (SIQUOMB maybe?) > Why don't we just do as I did in my bio.. take out all of the last names.. that way, the bio will just be first names, and, say, whatever name we sign our posts with? That way, "outsiders" still don't know how we are, yet we will have a better idea of who we are within the group.Just a thought, Evian/Rob/whatever the hell ya wanna call me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:32:47 -0600 From: Evian Subject: will tomorrow be a TTT day??? ok. I gotta learn more about release dates. I don't know if TTT will be released in Canada on Monday or Tuesday. I know that we get movie releases a day before the States, and thought all along it was the same with music. However, I just read the post in the Calgary Sun about TTT being released Tuesday!!! Tomorrow (well, later today, technically) is the one day a week that I travel to Saskatoon and I had planned on getting the cd before my class. However, if it isn't available, can someone let me know by noon or so so that I can save myself the time of going to the mall? Damn, I quit listening to the tape over the weekend so TTT would seem fresh when I got it on cd.... ah well, when you've waited almost 4 yrs, whats another day? Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 01:23:10 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Eagle Rock TV Special Hi folks, I promised you all that I'd reveal some great news today, and here it is- "Taming the Tiger: An Evening with Joni Mitchell" to Air on Friday, November 6th On Friday, November 6th, music legend Joni Mitchell will make a rare concert appearance in living rooms across America. Mitchell and Eagle Rock Entertainment are executive producers of the two hour concert which will air via USSB and Viewers Choice. There's more information and some brand new photographs from the show at this URL: http://www.jonimitchell.com/upcoming2.html Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:05:14 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Eagle Rock TV Special In a message dated 9/28/98 4:19:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallyb@well.com writes: << Mitchell and Eagle Rock Entertainment are executive producers of the two hour concert which will air via USSB and Viewers Choice. >> What does this mean, is this going to be on a cable network or pay-per-view or what? Never heard of either USSB or Viewers Choice. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:25:21 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: I have TTT in my clutches!!! Dear Coyotes, I have just bought my copy of TTT at the Virgin Megastore on Oxford Street. The paintings are wonderful and it's now playing in my computer. Oh the ecstasy!!! harlem in havana opening up. 'swonderful 'smarvellous. Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:42:40 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Purple Rain /Joni chords From: Michael Yarbrough >AzeemAK wrote: <<>> > >I listened to this on headphones, and it really does recall her >technique, but not in the chords per se. The opening chord to PR is >plain vanilla major, and the rest aren't much more complex. I think the P. Rain chords are *very* Joniesque. Plain vanilla major? Sounds much more like Joni's favourite "major-ish chord" - i.e one with a little dissonance - an add9 chord. After that, there are F#m11, Eadd9 and Dadd9 chords. This add9 voicing is a definite Joni fave (Sunny Sunday, Cherokee Louise, Crazy Cries of Love, Night Ride Home and many others). Though it's interesting that Prince/The Artist recorded Purple Rain well before Joni got into this chord in a big way. Those lush, jazzy chords are pretty reminiscent of Joni to me anyway. (If anyone's interested, check out the purple rain chord shapes at: www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~haw/music/tabfiles.html ) Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:04:28 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: RE: Lead Baloon Michael wrote: >I think TTT will be my most mixed-bag Joni record. I don't think >any of the others have a song I would give a 10 ("Harlem") AND >one I would give a 2 ("Balloon"), with a wide variety of others in >between. Yes Harlem is a stunning opening track and the rest of the record is among her best work, in particular Mars, New Face, Crazy Cries, Stay in Touch, Face Lift. In fact, this old timer got a little tearful listening to My Best To You and realising that the girl in the first songbook has just released a record which thanks her grandchild in the liner notes. sob sob sob. DKasc wrote: >Lead Balloon: First heard to me harkened back to some of the >rocking spirit of the album Wild Things Run Fast. Michael Landau's bland LA session rock guitar sound first reared its ugly head on Wild Things Run Fast and now makes an unwelcome (to me) return to ruin Lead Baloon. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:30:52 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Ticket contest for Detroit concert! Thought y'all might enjoy this little piece of news I just received from a friend of mine (non-JMDLer) in Detroit: > Around here few concerts get any hype much > farther away than a month or so. I hadn't heard > anything about it till Saturday when one of the local > stations was giving away tickets (well they gave you > a pair of tickets IF you sang either a Joni Mitchell or > Bob Dylan song on the radio). Marian (wishing I had been in Detroit over the weekend - "Which JM would you like to hear? - Shall I play my guitar, too?") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:50:59 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Eagle Rock TV Special So, if we don't have cable, I take it we're screwed out of it? ;-( At 1:23 AM -0700 9/28/98, Wally Breese wrote: >On Friday, November 6th, music legend Joni Mitchell will make a rare >concert appearance in living rooms across America. Mitchell and Eagle >Rock Entertainment are executive producers of the two hour concert which >will air via USSB and Viewers Choice. ______________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |____________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:27:35 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Eagle Rock TV Special Presumably this will be tree'd ASAP. I must admit I'm disappointed it's on pay-per-view. That can't have the same kind of promotional impact as a straight show on, say, VH-1. > So, if we don't have cable, I take it we're screwed out of it? ;-( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:18:30 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: JMDL Guitar files update - TTT To help celebrate the release of Joni's new album, a bunch of new TTT files have been added to the JMDL guitar collection. Tunings and chord shapes for eight of the new songs are now available - try them out, and have fun! www.jmdl.com/guitar Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:06:22 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Pay (through the nose) Per View Yow! I'm sure pricing is different depending on the cable system, but mine charges from $19.99 to $39.99 per show (they don't have any info about Joni yet, naturally). Plus it requires a converter box, and if you're not already set up it could cost you an installation fee. In Pennsylvania it's $25.00 and in New Jersey it's free, so go figure. I guess I would pay some bucks for a good Joni concert video, so I shouldn't whine, but... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:37:04 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Bio Hello Coyotes JamieJakes bio Name: Jamie Amin Zubairi (Jake Holborn - former Equity name) Nickname: JamieJake Age: 26 (playing age: 22 ha ha) Residence: London. Born: Aldershot, Lived in Malaysia for 16 years. Books: no faves at pres apart from Respect For Acting by Uta Hagen. Perfume Albums (Joni): For The Roses, Blue, Hejira,most of DJRD, LOTC, C & S, TI, S & L dunno about TTT yet still listening. Stay in Touch nearly had me on floods. Albums (everyone else): the complete Rickie Lee Jones, Grace - Jeff Buckley, Raindogs - Tom Waits, Nine Objects of Desire - Suzanne Vega, A Few Small Repairs - Shawn Colvin, that compilation Rob Jordan sent me of Dar Williams' music, Tito Gobbi, restoration music, Mozart, Latin rhythms, Jazz, Jaco Pastorius- Word of Mouth, Celia Cruz, Films: Too too many. Star Wars Trilogy, The Double Life of Veronique; Vanya on 42nd Street; Eat Drink Man Woman; Almodovar; Institute Benjamenta; Like Water For Chocolate ohhhhh the list goes on. Plays: The Cherry Orchard is my absolute fave. Clocks and Whistles by Samuel Adamson Actors: Kevin Spacey, early DeNiro and Victoria Hamilton (young Brit actress), that girl from Double Life/Three Colours, Sally Dexter, Cuisine: Malaysian, spicy food, pasta Recipe: Thai chicken wings mmmm. Dad's recipe Restaurant: The Wagamama on Streatham Street in Bloomsbury has many memories. Occupation: Sometimes working actor, most of the time working at my dad's travel agency. Hobbies: Writing poetry/plays, painting, cooking, dancing, singing, playing the guitar, going crazy, free form stream of consciousness writing (esp. on the underground) Pets: cats: Winnie and Nelson, Crumble and Dancing Carlos Colour: Warm earthy tones, gold, bluesy greens Angel: the one that has looked after my life so far, thank you! Quote: Winnipeg is just a state of mind Don't put all your eggs in one bastard. many more to come Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:40:34 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: TTT I have got my TTT and there is a painting missing!!!! The one that should accompany Crazy Cries, of Joni & Don smokin' in a back booth of an all night cafe. Where is it? I'm gunna cry. arrrggghhhhhh! sorry, that should read boo hoo. Much joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:53:20 -0400 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: pedal steel David Mascall wrote: >OK - it's a bit corny but it expresses a sentiment exactly. Pedal steel seems >to be an under-rated and unrecognised instrument when it's used out of its >old "country " ghetto. I also gather it's a real pig to play..... does anyone >have hands-on experience of it? A friend of mine and I were discussing this(sort of) yesterday. I put forth the notion that there are 4 distict styles of "slide" guitar: 1-Country/Western ie: Sneaky Pete Kleinow(sp?), Junior Brown 2-Afro Pop ie: King Sunny Ade 3-Prog' ie: Steve Howe(yes), David Gilmore(pink floyd), Steve Hackett(genesis 4-Blues ie: Elmore James, Bonnie Rait, Lowell George 1-3 are lap or "pedal"steel, allthough Junior plays a hybrid double neck guitar with both 'conventional and 'steel' necks on it, whereas 4(blues) is almost always played with a glass or metal tube on the finger using a normal over-the-shoulder type guitar. Then you have the way Joni has used pedal steel, which no big surprise here, dosen't really fit any of these molds. She does have a knack for finding musicians with very individual voices, eh? John~ NP "Not The Red Barron" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:31:58 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Lead Balloon This is one of my favorites on the cd. It blew me away from the start. I wish the Reprise people had some cuyones and realeased it as her first single. Hope someday to hear it on mainstream rock stations. Jerry np: Bye Bye Georges ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:43:44 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni on VH1 I caught the high school shot of Joni when flipping channels last night. It was so quick I thought I was hallucinating! Glad to hear it was real! This was an unfair quiz though as far as I can tell. Why? Doesn't Joni say she was on the swim team with "Cherokee Louise" on one of the tape tree intro's to that song? So either writer's club or swim team would be a correct answer. WombQueen@aol.com wrote: > you were supposed to guess who was on the swim team, who was in the writers > club and who played soccer in high school. They showed one picture of Joni in > her high school yearbook, and then another of her with.....the writers club. > (Gwen was on the swim team and Tracy played soccer....and David Lee Roth was a > stable boy) - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:53:43 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: BAseball thread NJC 66 homeruns ain't nothing to sneeze at either. "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:15:09 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: In light of the cookbook, b-day card etc. JC Growing up as I did in what was possibly the world's most dysfunctional family, I've always been interested in how other families work. Always enjoy reading treatise of family interactions and dynamics. Their psychological interplays. Their bonds and communications. Their....aw..what the heck....may as well come out with the fact that at heart, I'm just a just a voyeur. Anyhow....last year I stumbled across a book with Joni content that is seemingly appropriate to the current great cookbook/birthday card debate. It's called "Home Fires," by Donald Katz. One chapter chronicles 1972 for one of the profiled family's octagonal pegs, Ricky. I love how Katz says: "...Joni gave Ricky the musical score for the emotional dissonance he experienced so often these days." He's been mesmerized by the her music and in preparation of his first JM concert, he spent months embroidering a long denim dress for her. At the concert in Carnegie Hall, she was tuning her dulcimer and telling a story that he knew would lead into "Carrie," when he stood up and went to the stage to deliver the dress. "...She broke into a grin. "Ricky? Ricky Gordon? Ricky Gordon, my pen pal?" She was staring at him, still speaking into the microphone. "Hi Ricky." She picked up the package. "I just love things people make themselves." she said. "Thanks Ricky. Thanks." A portrait of JM that I've rarely seen. MG - who forgets just what the point was that I'm trying to make. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:35:39 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Radio Play I called my local radio show that will play Joni on occasion, to ask if they had a promo copy of TTT to play. The dj had no idea what I was talking about. I'm off to call the general manager. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:38:17 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: In light of the cookbook, b-day card etc. JC -Reply >>> Phyliss Ward 09/28/98 08:29am >>> So is this suppossed to be a TRUE story? The Library of Congress catalogued it as 1. Family-United States-History. 2. United States-Social Conditions-1945-. 2. Middle Classes-United States. 306.85'0973 Not a fiction category to the best of my knowledge. Librarians out there? MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:50:31 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: My Billboard prediction I predict a debut at #27 on sales of 39,000 copies in the US. Anyone else? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:49:41 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: People magazine review From the 10/5/98 issue: Mitchell is 54, and we probably shouldn't have expected anyone to teach an old folk-jazz singer new tricks. but then Mitchell's fans probably would argue that she wasn't broke, so why fix her? Which is to say that this, while it's mitchell's first album of new songs in four years, isn't anything all that new. Her voice is still a little toneless, her delivery a trifle cold. Her songs are still full of acerbic wit, distant poetry (including Blake in the title tune) and the occasional lapse in taste. Mitchell is also still able to attract first-rate talent, such as Wayne Shorter, whose soprano sax decorates six of the album's 11 tracks. Her ex-husband Larry Klein appears too, playing bass on three cuts. Mitchell is used to traveling in fast company; she performs on pianist Herbie Hancock's new CD and has just finished touring with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison. She's that rare commodity-- a popular entertainer who can be relied on to consistently produce quality material. -- Ralph Novak ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:24:38 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: NJC Georges Just a quick note from me saying I hope that anyone who is affected by Hurricane Georges is safe and in their houses. All you New Orleaners are okay. Much Joni. JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:06:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: In light of the cookbook, b-day card etc. JC -Reply I don't have the original post, but the Dewey number refers to books written about family relationships. The fiction/non-fiction question is not quite as clear cut. The question is more on intent. Was it intended to be a novel, or what the author believes to be true, rather than what is true. Someone could write a book on the subject of families which did not contain the truth factually, but would be classified as nonfiction. A better example is myths and legends. Also in the 300's. Not because they are true, but because they are truly part of the world's culture. Jerry Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote: > >>> Phyliss Ward 09/28/98 08:29am >>> > So is this suppossed to be a TRUE story? > > The Library of Congress catalogued it as 1. Family-United States-History. > 2. United States-Social Conditions-1945-. 2. Middle Classes-United > States. > 306.85'0973 > > Not a fiction category to the best of my knowledge. > > Librarians out there? > > MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 09:16:37 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: TTT, etc. Hi folks, Tomorrow (the 29th) is the U.S. release date for Joni's new album Taming The Tiger. In the past I've discussed how the Billboard album charts work, and the fact that SoundScan is a system they use to count CD sales and compute an album's position on the charts. These days, the position an album reaches in it's first week is almost always the highest position the album ever reaches- it's historical peak position. It is during that first crucial week that an artist's most dedicated fans are expected to run out to the store and buy it. Ordinarily, for sales of Joni's albums, I would recommend and approve of buying from small mom and pop CD stores, but unfortunately, these methods of purchasing TTT won't help Joni secure a high debut on the all-important Billboard charts. What you need to do on Taming The Tiger's release day is to physically go to a large CD store that is a participant in the SoundScan method and purchase the album. If you don't buy TTT on it's first day in the stores, then you should try to purchase a copy during the first five or six days after its release, if you want to be counted in the album's first week sales numbers. Go to Tower, Virgin or another large chain store in your area. I'll be at my local Tower on September 29th, buying copies for myself and my friends- in both cassette and CD format, of course. Thanks, Joni-philes! Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:31:11 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: more joni quotes I liked this one from her, but don't know the original source. It very nicely captures one main reason why I've always been drawn to her art. In reference to her upbringing, she described it as a "constant war to liberate myself from values not applicable to the period in which I live." I like to think that she means more of an internal period than a historical one. For myself, I couldn't call it a war, per se, but I've always had a terrible time with accepting status quo; be it political, sexual, religious or hubcap style. She's always been able to express what I felt but could never make into art. MG - just full of JC today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:38:08 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Storm WARNINGS!!!! (NJC) HELLO ALL- Just a note from us refugees here 12 miles north of Meridian, Mississippi. We are in a wonderful house overlooking a 1200 acre lake, that belongs to a friend of a friend. We are so blessed to have such good friends. Instead of being camped out in the kitchen at my friend Len's house, he arranged for this beautiful vacation home. We have had alot of distractions here including a little fishing. It helped to keep my mind off all the equipment I left behind in my studio. I had 25 emails this morning and more while I was on. THANK YOU SO MUCH, to EVERYONE, who has sent us thoughts and prayers. We may abandon ship here today cause the storm looks like it may just sit there for awhile. I will send another post to the list, as soon as we get home or decide what we are gonna do, as it is hard to stay connected here. Best wishes to all, Love Michael NP-The weather channel (boring the old man is snoring) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:16:24 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni TV Special - Cable info My local cable company doesn't have the November schedule. They referred me to Viewers Choice where I did find it on the schedule at http://www.viewerschoice.net/cgi-bin/live/programming/events.html?event=JONIMITC&thismonth=NOVEMBER&eventdatabase=novevents I already have regular cable service. In order to get the show I need to rent a cable box for $3.25/mo and purchase a remote for $8.95. I still don't know what the "pay per view" cost is. I'm planning a big party for the event. You are all invited! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:33:00 -0700 From: jussi Subject: Re: TTT (silence) Christophe Pical wrote: > Got the tiger on friday. Was very enthusiastic after the first song. But I > must say disappointed when the end of the CD came. It is short, too short. > 30 seconds of silence at the end of "My Best To You" is a bit much. 30 seconds of silence -- that's absolutely nothing! The brief pause in TTT is just appropriate before the reprise of the title track. Many CD's have *minutes* of silence before a hidden track, which is often some kind of throwaway material, the artist playing around in the studio, etc. The worst example I know of this is Imani Coppola's "Chupacabra". The otherwise great album clocks in at 59.54. The last track has a very suspect total length of 20.47. What follows the actual track is twelve and a half minutes (12.27!) of absolute nothingness and then a 4-minute "funny" track. The first time I listened to the CD it caught me by surprise, but after that the joke wears a bit thin. Of course it doesn't hurt anyone to have these little extras, but I wouldn't mind seeing the whole hidden track business fade out soon. All and all, quantity is not quality. Joni won't make an album to fill a CD, that's for sure. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:45:49 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: TI steps aside On the eve of TTT's release, I spent the past weekend listening to Joni's still "newest" album, Turbulent Indigo. It was kind of a goodbye party to TI, which in a few days will no longer be her "latest" project. I find myself listening to her most recent album (whether it was C&S, HOSL, DJRD, etc.) often if for no other reason than it is the current product. But something interesting happens as a result of this....the album never fails to "grow" on me. This has been discussed before, but I've yet to find another musician who's songs are so timeless, and which give so much insight and inspiration with each successive listening. As happy as I am to know that there is a new collection around the corner, I'm a touch sad because the brilliant TI will no longer be the latest. So much drama on that disc! Like many of her paintings, this album is truly a work of art. I'm finding all the TTT reviews, both positive and negative, to be typical of what one could expect upon the release of new Joni. She's never compromised her style just to cater to the masses and there's no reason to expect her to start now. Her work can be so esoteric that we should not expect everyone to "get it." I just hope that enough people do "get it," and buy it, so that she knows there *are* folks out there who want her to keep the muse alive, and thriving. So goodbye, TI. Not yet an old friend like Hejira and FTR, but certainly a best friend. And of course a big welcome to new friend Taming The Tiger! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:43:50 -0400 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: (NJC)jazzmen can't rock Philip wrote: >I have a difficulty however with Lead Baloon....The lesson I suppose is that jazzmen can't rock. No flames, just a suggestion. Listen to "Zero Tolerance For Silance" by Pat Metheny. You can probably find it in the used bin of almost any cd store that takes trade-ins; all the lite-jazz people who like Pat's pretty music hated it. Hell, I even got kicked off a metheney newsgroup for dissagreeing with the list owner that this album wasn't horrible. John~ NP "Fanfare For The Common Man" - Aaron Copland, ala ELP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:49:13 EDT From: Charstarl@aol.com Subject: Re: bios/passwords on site (NJC) Evian/Rob -- I quite agree with your point of view. Thanks for stating it so well. Char* In a message dated 9/28/98 1:29:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << Why don't we just do as I did in my bio.. take out all of the last names.. that way, the bio will just be first names, and, say, whatever name we sign our posts with? That way, "outsiders" still don't know how we are, yet we will have a better idea of who we are within the group.Just a thought, Evian/Rob/whatever the hell ya wanna call me >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:14:28 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Marketing TTT - more JC from MG Some people think that I should be concentrating on quarter end, but when you're on a roll, you're on a Kaiser. What can I say? I work for one of the largest music distributors in the US. We supply the big chains like Borders and Hastings, but these places tend to buy their stuff direct from the labels themselves. It's the Indies that depend on Valley for the big label, new releases. With that in mind, I'm curious as to how we are shipping TTT. We produce a weekly publication called "Street Date" that highlights sales, recommended items, promos, etc. TTT is right on page 5 in the "Recommended New Releases" section: "Joni Mitchell: TAMING THE TIGER (Rock) Joni Mitchell is sitting high in the public's consciousness due to her recent tour with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison. Her first album in four years is TAMING THE TIGER. Acclaimed jazz musicians Wayne Shorter, (Weather Report) and Brian Blade, (Joshua Redman) leant, (sic), their musical support, as did pedal-steel player Greg Leisz and Joni's longtime collaborator Larry Klein on bass. "Lead Balloon" is the lead track. " Reprise also sprung for a full page ad touting it as "..a masteful new collection of songs from a legendary figure who remains one of the most compelling, complex and original performers in popular music today." It includes a black and white redition of the cover of TTT as well as a small blurb to check on stock for the rest of her catalog. I'm bothered by the lack of promotional items that Valley would then send to the stores to aid in the promotion of TTT. Hmmm. As a bit of comparison: the stock on hand for TTT is 2,004 CDs and 220 cass. Other new releases for this week: Tony Bennett, "The Playground" 1,780 CDs Sheryl Crow, "The Globe Sessions: 1,617 CDs Kirk Franklin, "Nu Nation: 17,223 CDs Interesting. MG - no pbj for me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:17:37 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: boo hooed? While working all weekend at my exabode, getting it ready for the renters to move in, we had the radio set on an oldies station. This is because it was the only station that would come in, and I am always up for a little Motown. So I'm listening to a Stevie Wonder song, and I thought I heard him sing: My pappa disapproved My momma boo hooed Could that be? Is Joni not the first to have a big boo hoo recorded? Sherrie Still Playing: Tammy Wynette, Remembered ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:27:17 EDT From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: It's Monday, what's up? Hey Wally, Didn't you say there was something exciting that you would be announcing today? I seem to remember something about saving November 6th. What's up?? - -Jan in Hoboken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:11:36 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: SJC:The Killing Frost & Hurricane Alley Hi, It's September 28th and we still haven't had the killing frost. It usually comes about October 7th. Like a cold breath in the night. Ice and death. Yes it is that dramatic. Mrs. Chili finished the sunflower painting and now she's on to some other painting. She's not sure if she's going to do an oil or a watercolor of Joni at the garden. Then she's going to do me as "The Greenman" for my birthday-lifesize nude ;-) I managed to can about 22 quart jars of tomato sauce. I made some very cool computer labels for it. Calling it "Summer in a jar". Thinking about poor Michael P. down there in Hurricane Alley. Mike I've seen my share. "Get out of the waves, Get out of the water"--Kate Bush. Don't worry we've got the room in Ny and we'll get your ticket,too! - -The Chilis PS. Claud e-mail us! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:16:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: boo hooed? In a message dated 9/28/98 2:25:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sherrie.good@chronicle.com writes: << So I'm listening to a Stevie Wonder song, and I thought I heard him sing: My pappa disapproved My momma boo hooed Could that be? Is Joni not the first to have a big boo hoo recorded? Sherrie >> I can hear Stevie singing those words inside my head, but can't place the song. "I Was Born To Love Her"? Damn, I hate not having my albums unpacked yet. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:23:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: reviews Please forgive any duplications. Jerry Copyright 1998 Telegraph Group Limited The Daily Telegraph September 26, 1998, Saturday SECTION: Pg. 09 LENGTH: 312 words HEADLINE: The Arts: Playful aggression Pop CDs BYLINE: By Neil McCormick BODY: Joni Mitchell Taming the Tiger (WEA) FEMALE singer-songwriters have never been in greater demand - or supply, for that matter. So it's nice to welcome back, after a four-year absence, the original and, indeed, the greatest of them all to show everybody how it should be done. The opening of Lead Balloon (" 'Kiss my ass,' I said/And threw my drink") suggests Mitchell may even have taken on board some of the post-Alanis Morissette feminine aggression, but the pay-off ("Must be the Irish blood/Fight before you think") reveals that she's just being playful. There's a similarly light mood to most of these tracks. It may be that one of the reasons Mitchell has never quite achieved the mythological status of her most obvious male contemporary, Bob Dylan, is due to her preference for detailed miniatures over grand statements. Her only state-of-the-nation address comes on No Apologies ("What happened to this place?/Lawyers and loan sharks/Are laying America to waste"). Of course, another reason Mitchell has never been seen as a rock goddess is because she is not a rocker at all. Her jazzy oeuvre, boasting rhythms and melodies as sophisticated as her wordsmanship, is probably too subtle and complex for mass consumption. She builds these tracks around gentle surges of rhythm, with her soft-toned acoustic guitar to the fore and her vocals laying emphasis in unexpected places. It is amusing to speculate how immediate and powerful some of these songs could be in the hands of a rapper, but the title track, on which Mitchell describes herself as "a runaway from the record biz", makes it clear she's disillusioned with the whole game: "The radio blared so bland/Every disc a poker chip/Every song just a one-night stand/Formula music, girlie guile/Genuine junkfood for juveniles . . . it's hip! It's hot!/Life's too short". That's telling them, Joni. Los Angeles Times View Related Topics September 26, 1998, Saturday, Home Edition SECTION: Calendar; Part F; Page 17; Entertainment Desk LENGTH: 337 words HEADLINE: ALBUM REVIEW / POP; MITCHELL BRINGS PERSPECTIVE AND WIT TO 'TAMING THE TIGER' BYLINE: ROBERT HILBURN BODY: ****JONI MITCHELL "Taming the Tiger" Reprise Mitchell displayed once again on her recent concert tour with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison that she's interested in more than just our applause. Rather than serve up familiar material from "Ladies of the Canyon" through "Court and Spark"--tunes that in the '70s made her one of pop's most revered figures--this classic songwriter showcased lesser-known but equally challenging works, including two from this album. She may have lost on the applause meter to Dylan and Morrison, who did employ hit-based, listener-friendly sets. But Mitchell walked away from the shows knowing she had given the most gripping performances. She continues in that independent--and winning--spirit on this, the third in her distinguished series of '90s albums. Backed by superbly tailored, jazz-accented arrangements that are at once aggressive and soothing, Mitchell, who doubles as producer, turns commentator in a couple of places, including a snarling slap at the state of contemporary pop: "Formula music / Girlie guile / Genuine junk food / For juveniles / Up and down the dial / Mercenary style." Chiefly, however, Mitchell reflects on love, tempering her optimism with the caution (and wit) of someone who never forgets the accompanying struggle. Mitchell's songs have always acknowledged the complexities of relationships, but these songs are framed with the same kind of mature perspective found in Dylan's recent "Time Out of Mind" album. That doesn't mean the outlook here is as dark as in Dylan's superb collection. In the closing vocal, in fact, Mitchell delivers a moving version of "My Best to You," a disarming toast written in the '40s by Gene Willadsen and Isham Jones. It's an interesting choice because the sentiments may be simply too innocent for the artist in Mitchell, but they obviously reflect something of the idealist in her. The San Diego Union-Tribune September 24, 1998, Thursday SECTION: ENTERTAINMENT Pg. NIGHT & DAY-23 LENGTH: 912 words HEADLINE: New stripes; Joni Mitchell returns -- and roams free -- with subtle, nuanced 'Tiger' SOURCE: POP MUSIC CRITIC BYLINE: George Varga BODY: TAMING THE TIGER JONI MITCHELL Reprise **** (FOUR STARS) Few music lovers with an appetite for adventure will be able to resist when Joni Mitchell sings: **** Step right up folks! The show is about to begin, as she does on "Harlem in Havana," the enchanting opening cut from her exquisite new album, "Taming the Tiger." Several years in the making, this meticulously crafted and sequenced collection of songs is an absorbing work that might initially sound enigmatic, abstract or even a bit dissonant to some listeners. But each listening reveals a wealth of nuances and a finely honed sense of logic, form and melody, much like a challenging film or book that creates and occupies a world of its own. Few musicians in any idiom achieve both as much freedom and structure, or grace and daring, as Mitchell, an accomplished painter whose art is featured on "Taming The Tiger's" front and rear cover and on the CD itself. And the timing may again be right for such an original and uncompromising artist as this 54-year-old Canadian, who has struggled commercially over the past two decades, even as she influenced everyone from Sarah McLachlan and Jewel to The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. Then there's Janet Jackson, who liberally sampled Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" on her recent song, "Got 'Til It's Gone," and jazz saxophonist Joshua Redman, who performs a svelte instrumental version of "I Had a King" (from Mitchell's self-titled 1970 album) on his new album, "Timeless Tales." Due in stores Tuesday, "Taming The Tiger" finds her writing and singing with poise and passion, while demonstrating renewed conviction. She often sounded glum and cynical earlier in this decade, including on "Turbulent Indigo," her Grammy Award-winning 1994 album, but "Taming The Tiger" is infused with optimism. As fiercely independent as ever, musically and personally, Mitchell -- who is also credited as the album's producer -- has rarely been as confident or playful. By turns complex and spare, ethereal and earthy, her beguiling music casts a potent spell as she re-asserts herself as a singular artist who bravely charts paths that others follow -- or avoid altogether. The 11-song album also marks a sonic breakthrough for Mitchell, a pioneer of unorthodox guitar tunings and advanced chordal voicings. Armed with a Roland VG8 guitar synthesizer, which allows her to digitally program myriad tunings with the flick of a finger, she can now quickly bring to life the adventurous sounds she hears in her head. Already, she has credited this high-tech instrument with helping to reignite her interest in music and fueling her desire to keep recording at a time when genre-leaping veterans of her depth and ambition are shunned by commercial radio programmers and many record companies. The results are liberating on "Taming the Tiger," be it the chiming, steel- drum-like sound she simulates with her guitar synthesizer on "Harlem in Havana"; the steely, power-chords-from-outer-space that accent "Lead Balloon"; or the ambient orchestral textures that provide an otherworldly backdrop on the album's lush, shimmering title track. Mitchell's voice has grown deeper and more expressive with age. Her supple, jazz-inspired vocal phrasing is more accomplished than ever, which easily compensates for her fading high range. And she benefits from the sensitive accompaniment provided by a small all-star cast. It includes Joshua Redman/Emmylou Harris drummer Brian Blade, who creates a lithe pulse that is felt as much as heard; bassist Larry Klein (Mitchell's ex- husband); k.d. lang pedal-steel guitar whiz Greg Leisz; and jazz giant Wayne Shorter, a longtime musical partner of Mitchell's, whose ingenious soprano- saxophone work is featured on five selections. Her impeccably constructed lyrics are less confessional than on such classic albums as 1970's "Blue," but are no less provocative or moving. She covers a broad range of topics, from the aftermath of the rape of a Japanese girl by U.S. servicemen in Okinawa on "No Apologies" to Mitchell's contempt for the bankrupt aesthetics and fast-food marketing principles that rule pop radio and the music industry, which she chronicles on "Taming the Tiger's" seductive title track. The latter finds her slyly borrowing imagery from William Blake's poem, " The Tiger." The song includes such incisive lines as: The moon shed light on my hopeless plight / As the radio blared so bland / Every disc a poker chip / Every song just a one-night stand / Formula music .. . genuine junk food for juveniles / Up and down the dial / mercenary style! But Mitchell's lyrics are not always about what they may seem to be. "Man From Mars," a stirring ballad that includes such wrenching lines as There is no center to my life now / No grace in my heart, is actually an ode to her beloved cat. And "Stay in Touch," which many longtime Mitchell followers will assume is about her recent reunion with the now-grown daughter she gave up at birth and her first meeting with the grand-daughter she never knew she had, is in fact about another, unspecified relationship. Oblique or direct, Mitchell is a joy to hear from start to finish on " Taming the Tiger." She is also one of the few artists to rise to pop music prominence in the 1960s who is still fearlessly forging ahead to explore exciting new vistas. And that, like this splendid album, is just cause for celebration. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:24:39 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: bios/passwords on site (NJC) Rob/Evian wrote: > Why don't we just do as I did in my bio.. take out all of the last > names.. that way, the bio will just be first names, and, say, whatever > name we sign our posts with? That way, "outsiders" still don't know how > we are Rob, this is not meant to be a personal affront to you in any way ... I have to ask, though: Am I missing something here? What is someone going to do with our last names? Find us through Four11.com? And then what? Start stalking us? WHY? For the three years I've been hanging around the Internet, I've had my phone number unlisted. Prior to that I had my number listed and printed in the telephone white pages, but as I'm a single woman living alone, I requested that address be omitted. I think that's all the safety one need to worry about. If you don't know what information about you is "out there," take a minute to check out Yahoo or Four11.com (which are the same, really). The URL for the latter is http://www.four11.com. If you're unhappy with what you find, email them and request that they delete the information. Or maybe I really AM missing something, and I'm not being paranoid enough ... but I really don't want to live that way. "Paranoia will destroy ya ..." (Ozzy?) Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:27:20 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: (NJC)jazzmen can't rock >Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:43:50 -0400 >To: joni@smoe.org >From: "John M. Lind" > >Philip wrote: > >>I have a difficulty however with Lead Baloon....The lesson I suppose is >that jazzmen can't rock. > John suggests ... >No flames, just a suggestion. Listen to "Zero Tolerance For Silance" by Pat Metheny. John goes on to add that he was kicked off a discussion list for having the courage to say he liked the album. Well I love it to, so John, want to start the "Rockin' Underground Pat Matheny Discussion List'? ;-) As for jazz men not being able to rock -- my how quickly we forget the flailing animatronic mannequin limbs and 15-years-ahead-of-its-time techno-raver from one Herbie Hancock -- ROCKIT!! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:56:22 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: bios/passwords on site (NJC) At 03:24 PM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote: > > >"Paranoia will destroy ya ..." (Ozzy?) > The Kinks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:06:22 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: boo hooed? Cool observation, sherrie. I love old Motown, too. That song, "I Was Made to Love Her," was a big hit for Stevie back in the Sixties. Interesting thing is, the song is actually somewhat akin thematically to "Facelift" I think. - -Julius I Was Made to Love Her Lyrics and Music by Stevie Wonder, Henry Cosby, Lula Mae Hardaway & Sylvia Moy I was born in Lil' Rock, Had a childhood sweetheart, We were always hand in hand. I was hightop shoes and shirt tails, Suzy was in pig tails, I know I loved her even then. You know my papa disapproved it, My mama boohooed it, But I told them time and time again, "Don't you know I was made to love her, Built a world all around her" Yah! Hey, hey, hey. She's been my inspiration, Showed appreciation For the love I gave her through the years. Like a sweet magnolia tree My love blossmed tenderly, My life grew sweeter through the years. (snip) sherrie writes: << So I'm listening to a Stevie Wonder song, and I thought I heard him sing: My pappa disapproved My momma boo hooed Could that be? Is Joni not the first to have a big boo hoo recorded? Sherrie >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:16:21 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: What's in the "M" section? Actually there's more than one section. Here goes with the consolidated list: MacColl, Ewan MacColl, Kirsty MacKenzie, Billy Madness Madonna Madredeus [Portuguese new-agey outfit] Ma Harry, Wendy Manic Street Preachers Mann, Aimee Mantler, Karen [Carla Bley & Michael Mantler's daughter] Martyn, John Marvin [Etzioni] Massive Attack Mavericks Mazzy Star McGarrigle, Kate & Anna McKee, Maria McLachlan, Sarah McLeod, Rory [British agit-folkie, plays a mean harmonica] McTell, Ralph Meinecke, Ulla [German singer, does pretty good German version of 50 ways to leave your lover] Melanie Memphis Slim [Blues legend - I met him once in Germany, and he was a true gent] Menard, DL ["The Cajun Hank Williams" - his first name is Doris!!!] Metheny, Pat Miles, John Mimms, Garnett [another soul great, earlier versions of "Cry Baby" and "My Baby", later put through the wringer by Janis Joplin] Mitchell, Joni Morcheeba Morissette, Alanis Morphine Morrison, Van Morrissey Mseleku, Bheki Muldaur, Maria Mutton Birds Mystere des Voix Bulgares ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:16:25 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Taming the Tiger Initial impressions: mostly plus. Great songs, interesting production, lovely singing, fabulous packaging! Highlights: the way she sings "Harlem in Havana" - - I mean particularly those three words; slinkyjazzysexy or what?? Wayne Shorter's exquisitely breathy sax on the same song (and whichever critic said his playing sounds the same on all the songs simply DOESN'T KNOW WHAT S/HE'S TALKING ABOUT); "Love puts on a new face"; "No Apologies", especially the use of the ol' pedal steel; "Crazy Cries" is delightful; "Stay in Touch is beautiful and poignant. Down side: the guitar sound is not very attractive, and is pretty samey. Without wishing to sound like a Luddite, I yearned for the relief of a swish of an acoustic guitar, just for some variation. And hits? Well, as Tom Petty sang "The A&R man said 'I don't hear a single'". I'll be delighted and astounded if there is a hit in the UK - maybe it'll happen over there. It's been worth the wait! I'll be listening to it a whole lot more. Azeem in London, currently listening to the other big release today, PJ Harvey's new one "Is this Desire?", which is also superb - she manages to make real grown-up, complex music, and still sound cutting edge - the sort of music which would prompt my mother to exclaim "turn off that horrible noise!" What more could one ask for?! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:28:28 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Whats Up? The Moon? You Gotta Be! I was feeling real cynical/Kinky (paranoia will destroya)for a couple days. Ever get that way? Sometimes there's a fine line between perception and paranoia. And there's nothing like good music to pull you from those depths. A dedication to my friends here, who manage to remind me to lighten up with heart and humor: "Know these battles deep in the dark when the spooks of memories rattle, ghosts of the future, phantoms of the past/Rattle rattle rattle/ Is it possible to learn how to care and not to care, since love has two faces: hope and despair, and pleasure always turns." 4NB's: "Twenyfive years of my life and still I'm trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination. I realized quickly when I knew I should, that the world was made up of this---(ahem,) ****Brotherhood of man**** For whatever that means. So I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed to get it all out what's in my head Then I start feeling .... So I wake up in the morning and I step outside, I take a deep breath. I get real high...Then I scream from the top of my lungs WHAT'S GOING ON?!?!?!?" And then I remember what Des'ree says. She says that "You Gotta be:" "Listen as your day unfolds, Challenge what the future holds, Try and keep your head up to the sky, they may cause you tears, Go ahead release your fears, Stand up and be counted, Don't be ashamed to cry You gotta be, You gotta be bad, you gotta be bold, You gotta be wiser, you gotta be hard, You gotta be tough, you gotta be stronger You gotta be cool, you gotta be calm, You gotta stay together All I know, all I know, love will save the day Herald what your mother said readin' the books your father read Try to solve the puzzles in your own sweet time Some may have more cash than you Others take a different view. All I know, all I know, love will save the day." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #378 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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