From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #377 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, September 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 377 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- (SJC) Out of exile - a re-intro [Gerald Hillman ] Re: Cookbook (NJC) [Marian Russell ] Re: catching up (NJC) [Marian Russell ] Garden Salad [Chilihead2@aol.com] Greetings from a new list member ["Jos B" ] Re: Cookbook (NJC) [Marsha ] Re: Paprika Plains (NJC) [Marsha ] Lead Baloon ["Philipf" ] Toronto Sun TTT review [Deb Messling ] Cat Report Day 2 (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Joni on new Herbie Hancock album [djp ] Re: Cookbook (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Lead Baloon [Michael Yarbrough ] cookbook-bio-gallery (NJC) [Alan ] bio (NJC) [Alan ] Re: Lead Baloon [catman ] NJC:MARY [catman ] Re: Joni on new Herbie Hancock album [Janet Hess ] Bio [Leenycas@aol.com] RE: Lead Balloon [davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine)] Womb Bio [WombQueen@aol.com] Womb Bio P.S. [WombQueen@aol.com] Re: Lead Balloon [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Joni on new Herbie Hancock album [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] C&S and Blue HDCD for $7.99 [Michael Yarbrough ] Joni on VH1 [WombQueen@aol.com] Back order ["Paul Headon" ] Y'all are really gonna hate this one... [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: Y'all are really gonna hate this one... [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: NJC Baseball fans only [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: TTT [Christophe Pical ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 03:26:36 -0500 From: Gerald Hillman Subject: (SJC) Out of exile - a re-intro Dear Jmdl friends (old and new); I feel a little like Catherine Hepburn when she sails into the scene in "The Lion In Winter". I feel as though I have returned from exile. I was here once before, but lost my (UNIX based? very archaic, non-profit) ISP, and my very archaic computer could not handle the software required for a real ISP. Now, I'm happy to say that Gerald from Winnipeg is back in the loop with a modern age computer! And just in time too! What with the release of TTT in 3 more sleeps! It's been a year of anticipation that will finally come to a peak, once again. The album has been delayed about a year, has it not? The newspaper album review section made no mention of TTT in it's list of releases for next week. I think they need a little nudge. My friend who works at an HMV, states that they will only be getting 5 copies of TTT for release day. Can we speak? The U of Manitoba just started broadcasting an FM station. I like what they play, and think they would appreciate a donated TTT. 5 copies indeed! Occasionally, over the last 4 months since I lost my internet access, I've peeked in on the JMDL and Wally's page for updates. Saw some of the pics from Julie's party, and read Ashara's(?) report about greeting JMDLers at the airport. Quite a bit of fun! About a week ago, it was announced that Bob Dylan will be coming to Winnipeg. I crossed my fingers, but.... I heard the radio announcer say, "apparently we came that close to getting Joni Mitchell on the same bill, but... " Much screaming in my car. What's wrong with her? Doesn't she know that I'm here, waiting? And, no, I don't have enough airmiles to get to TO. I think I'll live. We were close, though. Really close. Darn! Dang! Shucks! Glad to be back! Gerald The story of gerlad: Gerlad was anointed to me by Safeway's Club Card. Initially, upon seeing "Gerlad" instead of Gerald printed on my receipt, I was slightly offended. Now, I just think it's funny, and have adopted it as another tag. Just once, I wish the clerk would call me by my first name to see if they could keep a straight face. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:10:50 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: Cookbook (NJC) On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:35:47 -0700 Leslie Mixon wrote: <<> Since I don't really invent recipes, do we have the <<> option of choosing a favorite recipe? and on Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:10:21 -0700 wrote: <<> I would be in the same position. I'm not <<> much of a cook. Travis is but I don't know if <<> he has any recipe's he's made up himself that he <<> might be willing to share. I think we should share our favorite recipe, whether or not we invented it. I only have a few recipes that I've "invented". Most of them I put together after tasting something similar and trying to reproduce it, and others were derived from or are combinations of other recipes. If we credit the source, it should be okay. I love the recipe I have for Chocolate Flake Coconut Cake. It was a recipe my mom got out of a magazine and she always used to make it for my birthday. I don't know what magazine it came from. Mom used to call it Steve Allen cake, because apparently it was his favorite cake. Anyway, this is my current selection for the cookbook and it's not original. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:34:15 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: catching up (NJC) On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:25:14 -0500 Alan wrote: > - - Bios: It was nice of Marion to make a place to put them > under > her section of the website, but that is still kind of tucked away. > I've > been meaning to add myself to the Gallery, and I was just wondering > what > you all, particularly Les, thought about putting the bios in with the > Gallery?? I made a collection of the bios submitted so far because there was a suggestion to include a bio at the bottom of each recipe for the cookbook, and I wanted to keep track of them for myself, since I had offered to collect and format the recipes. Then I thought maybe people who had submitted bios would like to be able to look at what they and others had written, so I put up a page: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios.htm I'm probably going to add a second page now, because the above page is over 100K. I will name the next page: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios1.htm Should be up within the next hour or so. I'm not sure how I feel about having my bio in the Gallery - it seems too public there somehow, although the cookbook will be available in the Gallery section when it's finished, so maybe there's no difference. Maybe the cookbook should be something we only let listers access, though - kind of a secret collection and one of the percs of being a member? Does this sound too weird? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:26:50 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Garden Salad What a different Garden we'll be seeing our Joan in. Garden Salad with MSG as opposed to the Max Yasgur's Garden Salad (with plenty of alfalfa). Hopefully this time we'll have some Blue cheese dressing. - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 04:38:27 PDT From: "Jos B" Subject: Greetings from a new list member Hi all! My name is Jos, and I hail from New Zealand. Bob Dylan is coming here on tour very soon, but I was dissapointed there was no Joni. Instead Patti Smith is coming. I am looking forward to TTT also, but, being in NZ, it is sure to come out a fair time later. I love the JMDL page, especially for Sue's Guitar stuff. I have worked out stuff in the past, but always wanted to be able to play 'Moon at the Window'. Now thanks to the guitar page I can, but unfortunately it is too high for me to sing! LOL Never mind. By the way -SHAMELESS PLUG FOLLOWS!!- LOL I set up a Joni message board, on one of the free message board places on the net. The address is http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb156842 I set it up for fun, really, but I don't think anyone will have cause to use it cause this Discussion List is so cool!!!! Looking at the photos page of the JMDL group at the concert I couldn't help but feel that this community has heart. I just got 3 of Joni's CD's really cheap from a discount store, but finding them quite hard to get into... They are 'Chalkmark...', 'Dog eat Dog', and 'Don Juan.....' Maybe I need a few repeated listenings to really dig them. Anyway, thanks for listening, Jos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:12:19 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Cookbook (NJC) Marian Russell wrote: > I love the recipe I have for > Chocolate Flake Coconut Cake. And I have thought of your title: "You Dream Flake Cake" "coconut she bounce back easy but a recipe calls to break 2 eggs do your chocolate just to tease me..." Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:39:29 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Paprika Plains (NJC) John M. Lind wrote: > oh, BTW what's keeping our list parodyists? - "The Boo Hoo Dance"? Hi, John. I, for one, am so busy actually doing a boo hoo dance to even think of sublimating it into a parody, but give me a few months... Marsha, keeping the Kleenex folks in business these days :**( p.s. WELCOME BACK, GERALD HILLMAN, OUR PUBLISHED AND AWARD- WINNING AUTHOR FROM THE GREAT NORTHERN LIGHTS DIVISION OF JMDL LAND! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:37:06 +0100 From: "Philipf" Subject: Lead Baloon TTT is a stunning and beautifully packaged record and I agree with the high praise it's been getting here. I have a difficulty however with Lead Baloon. The song itself is an angry little rocker but the execution is all wrong. Michael Landau is the worst offender with heavy handed use of his 80's stadium rawk distort button. Joni herself is a far better guitarist but her guitar orchestra is drowned out by Landau's racket. Brian Blade's lightness of touch is far too genteel and poor Wayne Shorter sounds like he hasn't a clue what's going on. Joni ends up being the only one who sounds the least bit angry. The lesson I suppose is that jazzmen can't rock. If Joni wants to rock, she might be better off in some dirt cheap studio with some punks who've just mastered their third chord. And maybe self produced isn't always the best choice. It could be worth getting Daniel Lanois' phone number off Bob Dylan, just in case. Philip - - expecting to get flamed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:08:04 -0700 From: Deb Messling Subject: Toronto Sun TTT review Please note that, per my prediction, this review ends with the line about "not just a one-night stand." I love being right! Joni Mitchell captures perfection with latest By DAVE VEITCH -- Calgary Sun Joni Mitchell: Mitchell is not a fan of Top-40 radio, apparently. "Every disc a poker chip / Every song just a one-night stand," she gripes on the title track of her first album in four years. Naturally, it's not kids' stuff. Certainly, songs don't get much more adult than Facelift, with its startlingly frank lyric about returning home for Christmas with her new boyfriend only to face her mother's consternation: "She put blame on him and shame on me / She made it all seem so tawdry ... For God's sake, I'm middle-aged, mama." Most of the other songs are just as personal, though less direct. Stay In Touch is likely about her recent reunion with the daughter she gave up for adoption, while Man From Mars and Love Puts On A New Face is imbued with all the longing and passion of a woman in the first flush of a new romance. Her music has ripened into something as smooth and potent as a fine red wine. Using a guitar synth, which gives the album a glossy yet organic feel, Mitchell arranges complex jazz chords into accessible melodies, topped off by the tootling of soprano saxophonist Wayne Shorter. Far from being a one-night stand, Taming the Tiger is an album with which you can have a long-term relationship. In stores Tuesday. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:21:39 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Cat Report Day 2 (NJC) "Going to Houston to make a run for Sosa's 67. Go stros!" The heck with Sosa or McGwire - GO KALLIE! Leslie Steve Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:44:37 -0400 From: djp Subject: Joni on new Herbie Hancock album Just heard Joni doing a thrilling cover of "The Man I Love" from a new Herbie Hancock Gershwin album. WOW!!! djp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:03:45 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Cookbook (NJC) In a message dated 9/27/98 5:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, m.russell@iaea.org writes: << <<> I would be in the same position. I'm not <<> much of a cook. Travis is but I don't know if <<> he has any recipe's he's made up himself that he <<> might be willing to share. I think we should share our favorite recipe, whether or not we invented it. I only have a few recipes that I've "invented". >> I think that including "favorite" recipes along with "invented" recipes eliminates the option of using the JMDL cookbook as a fundraiser for Wally's and Les' websites, but then no one seemed to support that notion when I raised it anyway. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:39:13 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Lead Baloon Philip wrote: <<>> I agree, though I'm reserving final judgment for the CD copy. I think Joni's attempt at a hard rocker sounds like, well, Joni's attempt at a hard rocker. It's easily my least fave track on the album. I think TTT will be my most mixed-bag Joni record. I don't think any of the others have a song I would give a 10 ("Harlem") AND one I would give a 2 ("Balloon"), with a wide variety of others in between. - --Michael, washing "Balloon" out of his ears with... NP: Nirvana, _In Utero_ ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:46:23 -0500 From: Alan Subject: cookbook-bio-gallery (NJC) Good point Marian (and no, not weird at all) . In fact, when I was looking at the photo gallery, I got to thinking about why Wally wouldn't want an identifiable photo posted on the internet. I decided I didn't mind a semi-identifiable photo (I'm not in there yet, I haven't got around to getting the photo scanned), but the train of thought did lead me to remove my abbreviated last name from my email address. So here is what I'm wondering; what do you all, particularly Les, think about making a protected section of the JMDL? Expanding a little on Marian's suggestion, we could then protect the Gallery, the bios, the cookbook, whatever... from the general public. It wouldn't need to be much protection; one password that only we would know (SIQUOMB maybe?) would probably suffice. Les, I have no idea how much trouble this would be. If you say, "it's too much trouble," I'll never mention it again. Marion, any particular format you want the recipes in? Alan NP: Joni, TI Marian Russell wrote: > I made a collection of the bios submitted so far because there was a > suggestion to include a bio at the bottom of each recipe for the > cookbook, and I wanted to keep track of them for myself, since I had > offered to collect and format the recipes. > I'm not sure how I feel about having my bio in the Gallery - it seems > too public there somehow, although the cookbook will be available in > the > Gallery section when it's finished, so maybe there's no difference. > Maybe the cookbook should be something we only let listers access, > though - kind of a secret collection and one of the percs of being a > member? Does this sound too weird? > > Marian > Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:57:03 -0500 From: Alan Subject: bio (NJC) Name: Alan Poffenberger Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA (a displaced Californian) Favorite authors: Shakespeare (400 years without a peer), Kurt Vonnegut, J.R.R. Tolkien, Arthur C. Clarke Favorite Philosophers: Nietchze (but I'm not a nihilist), Shakespeare, Joni Most Favorite Music: Joni, Counting Crows, Pearl Jam, Rush (older stuff), Yes, Sting, James Taylor Favorite Cuisine: Italian, fresh fruit, dark chocolate Favorite Recipe: Chicken & marinated artichoke hearts over pasta Favorite Colors: Too many! (but, as I look around my apartment, I do see a lot of blue and purple) Favorite Pet: "Sky" a delightful talking parakeet (deceased), "Pippin" - -as in, "you tom fool of a Took!" - a beautiful white long haired cat (sadly, now the possession of the evil ex-wife) Favorite Angel: Nicholas, my 8 year old Son (even more sadly, also with Pippin) Favorite Quote: Ten 2-letter words, "If it is to be it is up to me" Favorite Movies: Casablanca, Dances with wolves, Saving Private Ryan, The Unbearable Lightness of Being, The Fisher King Favorite Play: Hamlet Favorite artists: Van Gogh, Monet, Georgia O'Keeffe, Michelangelo Favorite activities: Making love, music, reading, JMDL, good conversation, any time with my Son, travel, watching the ocean or the stars and thinking about how small and short-lived we are... Favorite Places: Northern California/Oregon coast, forests of the Sierra Nevada mountains Occupation: Computer Systems Analyst, Project Manager ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:03:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Lead Baloon just as well for Joni we all appreciate different things. I love Lead Balloon and Harlem In Havana. The hitcher I told you about said the opening to Lead Balloon sounded like Jimmy someone. Paige? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:04:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC:MARY I just got back from seeing Something About Mary. I have NEVER laughed so much. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:08:52 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Joni on new Herbie Hancock album NPR's "Morning Edition Sunday" this week featured a terrific interview with Herbie Hancock. They played a snip of Joni on "Summertime" that had me sitting there with my jaw on the floor...I've never heard Joni sounding so fantastic! And Herbie Hancock had delicious things to say about Joni as a jazz vocalist. NPR's site has Real Audio versions of its programs. I've just checked, and today's is already posted. The Herbie Hancock segment runs 17 minutes and 35 seconds. They do, however, note that the Herbie Hancock segment has been modified from broadcast form because of "Internet rights issues." That might mean that the musical segments from the CD have been removed. For those who would like to check it out anyway, here's the URL: Cheerz, Janet, especially happy about being an NPR junkie At 10:44 AM 9/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Just heard Joni doing a thrilling cover of "The Man I Love" from a new >Herbie Hancock Gershwin album. > >WOW!!! > >djp > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:02:44 EDT From: Leenycas@aol.com Subject: Bio I haven't posted in a really long time; been lurking out here enjoying everyone else's posts. Love the bio idea, so here goes: Real name: Colleen Favorite Artists: Joni, Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Sting, Shawn Colvin , Cassandra Wilson, Nancy Griffith. Favorite Foods: Steak w/mushrooms, seafood, just about anything Italian Favorite Actors: Meryl Streep, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt,Robert DeNiro, Jodie Foster, Emma Thompson Favorite Albums: Hejira, Marvin Gaye's Greatest Hits, Gra celand, So and a whole bunch of others Favorite Movies: Godfather I, Godfather II, Annie Hall, Schindlers List, ET, Rosemary's Baby, Silence of the Lambs Favorite Animals: I have 3 great cats Favorite Authors: Stephen King, Patricia Cornwell. Ed McBain, Anne Rice, Margaret Atwood, John Grisham. Know most of these are mind candy, but I like mind candy. Favorite Angel(s) Terrific husband of almost 26 years and 2 terrific daughters (most of the time) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: RE: Lead Balloon Haven't heard Lead Balloon yet, but I'm going to put in my 2cents anyway. I think it's almost amusing to see these posts about Joni's "attempt" at a "hard rock" song. I don't know Joni's intent, and perhaps she has created a hybrid that dismays people or sounds "wrong" to them. I suspect that one of her motivations may have been album continuity. Maybe Joni was attempting to incorporate a song that doesn't really fit the rest of the lp. Maybe these are the wrong players to do justice to the spirit of the song. Don't know, haven't heard it. But to suggest that this is a failed attempt at creating a hard rock sound is absurd. She's been in the pop/rock business for thirty years, has a keen ear, and can play with whomever she chooses. This strikes me as not completely dissimilar to the frustration that some jazz purists had with Joni in the 70s, or that Michael (or for that matter, I) have had with Chalk Mark. If Joni delivers a sound that falls ouside the boundries of what one believes she is "trying" to do, the sound may be difficult to appreciate. I think it's appropriate to say "what the hell does Joni think she's doing?" I think it's presumptuous to pronounce that "the execution is all wrong." David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:11:54 EDT From: WombQueen@aol.com Subject: Womb Bio Name: Laura Elizabeth Pochodowicz (soon to be Faraoni) Origin: The Womb Place of Birth: Danbury, CT, USA Place of Residence As of Now: Englewood, CO, USA Place of Residence As of Mid-October: Afton, VA, USA Favorite Movie: Harold and Maude Favorite TV Show: X-Files, South Park, and Frasier (now getting hooked on early Star Trek) Favorite Color: Brown, and any other color mixed with brown (esp. red-brown) Favorite Books: Illusions by Richard Bach, Walden by Thoreau, The Great Gatsby by Fitzgerald.....too many to mention. Favorite Music: Joni Mitchell from beginning to present, Cat Stevens, Van Morrison, Janis Joplin, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Dave Matthews Band, Carole King...also too many to mention. Favorite Joni Album: Do I have to pick one? Right now For the Roses, Miles of Aisles, and Hejira.....tomorrow, who knows? Tuesday it will be Taming the Tiger. Favorite Non-Joni Album: Best left unanswered....changes daily. Favorite Actor: Robert De Niro Favorite Actress: Glenn Close Favorite Food(s): Salmon, mashed potatoes, lobster, steamed clams and mussels in butter sauce, chicken fajitas w/ lots of sour cream, peach pie and Breyer's French vanilla ice cream (not necessarily all together, although it can be done :) Hobbies: Painting, reading, writing, (right now sorting, packing, moving) Quote: [insert Joni lyric here] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:12:57 EDT From: WombQueen@aol.com Subject: Womb Bio P.S. How could I have forgotten??? Favorite Animal: LAMBIES!! Baaa. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:39:46 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Lead Balloon It is fascinating to me to read the different takes on some of these new songs. Lead Balloon: First heard to me harkened back to some of the rocking spirit of the album Wild Things Run Fast. It almost legitimizes that stuff now (meaning recording a song like Lead Balloon now, makes WTRF sound less dated). Joni herself said something to the effect, "I can rock, but it's not my forte." I don't hear anger specifically either, and I don't even see the intent to convey anger in this track. I hear the high charged energy of the state of the affair in a relationship embroiled in a war. Which is more complex than a base anger. Stay In Touch: A favorite of mine personally, I don't hear futility of a relationship that can't survive and stay in touch. I hear Joni writing this to Don Freed who she just met and is now far away from. With hope in her voice, she is educated to the fragile nature of a newly developing relationship. Let the worries hush (love the sound after that line BTW). Mark Isham's trumpet conveying the miles between them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 23:45:26 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni on new Herbie Hancock album Hi Janet, I've been listening to Herbie Hancock's soon to-be-released (10/20) "Gershwin's World" for about a week now (thanks to spotting an "NP" signature from Michael Paz who had an advance CD that he kindly copied for me). And thanks to David Marine, who posted that Verve was offering and advance release of the CD via an 800# on their home page, I ordered the CD, which arrived on Fri. I've always enjoyed Gershwin's music. I've heard stunning interpretations of Summertime and The Man I Love from Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald and Lena Horne. And now Joni Mitchell. Her singing/phrasing is absolutely incredible here -- totally mesmerizing, and very much her own. And make no mistake about it, she is NOT out of place on the above list. Thanks for posting the NPR info. I followed the URL and listened to Liane Hansen's interview with Herbie Hancock, and transcribed the JC below: -Kenny ========================================================================== LH: I don't think I've ever heard a rendition of Summertime like the one that I hear on this particular recording. I mean, you've got Stevie Wonder playing harmonica, you've got Joni Mitchell singing, you've got Wayne Shorter doing the tenor saxophone on this. Were you all in the studio at once when you were doing this one? HH: Yup. Absolutely. LH: How much of it happened right then and there? HH: All of it HH: Joni Mitchell, long before she made her own recordings, she told me, she listened to Miles Davis, she listened to Charlie Mingus, and Billie Holiday. She was listening to jazz. She got into folk music as a hobby . She thought it would be an easy vehicle for her poetry cause she's a poet. Nobody knows this, that her roots are in jazz, and she sounds like a person who's been singing only jazz all her life. =================================================================== On 9/27/98 4:08PM, Janet Hess wrote: NPR's "Morning Edition Sunday" this week featured a terrific interview with Herbie Hancock. They played a snip of Joni on "Summertime" that had me sitting there with my jaw on the floor...I've never heard Joni sounding so fantastic! And Herbie Hancock had delicious things to say about Joni as a jazz vocalist. For those who would like to check it out anyway, here's the URL: Cheerz, Janet At 10:44 AM 9/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Just heard Joni doing a thrilling cover of "The Man I Love" from a new >Herbie Hancock Gershwin album. > >WOW!!! > >djp > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:28:28 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: C&S and Blue HDCD for $7.99 Through 10/12 at US Tower Records stores you can purchase an HDCD copy of _Blue_ or _Court & Spark_ for a mere $7.99. Thought you'd like to know. While you're there, pick up a copy of Me'Shell NdegeOcello's _Plantation Lullabies_ for the same price. You won't be sorry. - --Michael NP: The Modern Lovers, _The Modern Lovers_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:51:19 EDT From: WombQueen@aol.com Subject: Joni on VH1 Man, this is the most I've posted to the list in AGES... Anyhow, I just saw Joni on Before They Were Rock Stars III On VH1. They didn't do a segment on her or anything (God forbid) but for those of you who haven't seen the show before, they do little bits before commercial breaks where they give a multiple choice question like "What job did David Lee Roth have before he became famous?" and give you options like "a) plumber b) ditch digger c) stable boy" and then give you the answer after the break....or, they give you three singers and ask you to match them up with what club they were in in high school. The three on just a few minutes ago were Gwen Stefani from No Doubt, JONI MITCHELL and Tracy Chapman, and you were supposed to guess who was on the swim team, who was in the writers club and who played soccer in high school. They showed one picture of Joni in her high school yearbook, and then another of her with.....the writers club. (Gwen was on the swim team and Tracy played soccer....and David Lee Roth was a stable boy) I hope we see more of Joni than just a two-second clip now that TTT is about to be born from the womb. (I'm anxiously awaiting the PBS/VH1 special that some of you lucky folks got to attend) Womby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:50:53 +0100 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Back order Hi, I ordered TTT on the internet and they have it on back order aaagghh when will it arrive nobody knows :-( :-( Best wishes, Paul Headon Three thoughts to live by :- 1) Don't sweat on the small stuff 2) It's all small stuff :) 3) If you can't fight and you can't flee then flow. Try the West Wales Chess Homepage ? http://websites.ntl.com/~p.headon/wwcl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:10:56 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Y'all are really gonna hate this one... OK, before the bad news, I have to say that I listened to Joni's "Trouble Man" on Kyle Eastwood's record and it is delicious. I really think that at this precise moment in time Joni's greatest genius is as a vocalist. I can't wait to hear the Gershwin stuff. The following review is copied without permission from _Request_, Tower's in-house magazine: The Dissing of Bummer Songs A veteran confessional singer songwriter misses the mark on her latest epic 2 stars out of 5 Near the end of TTT, Joni Mitchell's first studio album in four years, the veteran singer spins a potent tale about a middle-aged woman traveling to spend Christmas with her elderly mother. She arrives with a new lover, and the two take up residence in a downtown hotel for the stay. Her mother adamantly disapproves, casting shame on her daughter for her brazenness and immorality. The daughter, considering her age and past, is incredulous. "Why is this joy not allowed?," she asks, adding in the chorus, "You know, happiness is the best facelift." Unfortunately, for the bulk of her new album, Mitchell sounds more like the mordant mother than the free-spirited divorcee. Sticking with the passionless form of chamber pop that she's used throughout the '90s, which relies too rigidly on the brittle combination of heavily treated guitar chords and chilly-sounding synthesizer washes, Mitchell mostly writes from the point of view of a curmudgeonly cynic these days. Her self- righteousness comes across as dour and distant, especially when matched with an austere avoidance of melody. The few moments of joy--indeed, any clear emotion--jump out like splashes of color on a bleak landscape. The song "Lead Balloon" has an invigorating chorus, full of ecstatic leaps of energy, that sounds buoyant amid a predictable tale of contemptible male-to-female power playing. And when she sings, "Since I lost you, I can't get through the day without at least one big boo-hoo," the childlike choice of words is charming rather than silly--it's the sort of thing that soudns poignant coming from a veteran singer, but would sound ridiculous if states by Jewel, Lisa Loeb or any of the young acolytes awkwardly carrying forward the confessional singer-songwriter torch that Mitchell first lit. At her worst, Mitchell simply fires out condemnation with the dispassion of a shotgun. Even when aiming at deserving targets, such as the poisoning of oceans or the rape of Japanese girl by U.S. servicemen, she pulls the trigger without much invention or passion. The low point is the title song, which singles out modern rock 'n' roll as her mark. "Taming the Tiger" offers a blanket denunciation of '90s rap and rock--characterizing the record biz as nothing but "hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids, boring!" She's often blasted the music industry in the past, sometimes with pointed accuracy, but now she sounds like an out-of-touch elder casting aspersions on a generation she doesn't understand. Didn't a stodgy, older element once refer to her ground-breaking early '70s work as whiny, self-indulgent, and boring? In her painting, Mitchell's other primary artistic pursuit, her work has gone from abstract to traditional; in recent years, she's been creating a series of increasingly interesting still lifes, landscapes and portraits. It's too bad she doesn't bring that kind of passion to her music, which has grown brittle and insular and lacking in the stuff of life. --Michael McCall Me again: I think this review is way too harsh and misses out on the considerable joy in tracks like "Harlem," but I do agree with the small point about the "hoods in the hood" line; here the reviewer articulated something I'd been feeling for a while. And the title pun is funny as shit once you get over its meanness! :-) - --Michael NP: Emmylou Harris, _Spyboy_ [sublime!!!!!] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: NJC Baseball fans only >>not to mention that McGuire is on steriods. don't know about Sosa.<< >>That's true! But you still have to have the incredible skill to consistently hit a baseball against major league pitching, diluted as it may be. Steroids won't help him there. They will help him hit it 500 feet, though!<< McGwire is not on steroids. The media got it wrong and blew the whole thing out of proportion. Andro boosts testosterone slightly and naturally. I still wouldn't use it due to a worry of increased prostate cancer risk later in life, but I can't fault the guy for using it. He's been through many injuries in the past and was at one time on the brink of retirement. I think he's just trying to maintain himself and stay healthy. Athletes will use just about anything to gain an edge and sometimes pay the price for it later. Real steroids would ultimately weaken his tendons, decrease mobility, and probably turn him into a raging, homicidal, liver-failing, paranoid schizophrentic. Andro does not have those effects. Also, remember this is the guy who set the rookie home run mark long before Andro. He's always hit dingers at a record pace. The difference this year? He's in his prime and he's healthy. Robert, finding it impossible to work Joni into a steroidal diatribe ;) np: Jimi Hendrix, Mixdown Masters == Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:10:57 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Y'all are really gonna hate this one... I wrote: <<>> The name of the magazine, as we all know, is actually _Pulse!_. _Request_ of course is the Sam Goody/Musicland rag. My apologies. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:31:29 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: NJC Baseball fans only I'd like to chime in here, if I may. I agree with Robert. It's entirely true that McGwire isn't using steroids. It's also true -- and I think this is worth writing ten feet tall -- that the supplement McGwire has been using is permitted by major league baseball. MLB prohibits lots of things; this isn't one of them. And players other than Big Mac avail themselves of the supplement he uses. I too think the coverage of this has been lousy; it's as though muckrakers couldn't find any muck so decided to rake anything that was out there. Babe Ruth and Roger Maris and Mark McGwire all played under the rules of baseball as they existed during their playing years. Period. Cheerz, Janet, still sitting in front of the tube and pathetically cheering on the Orioles At 07:34 PM 9/27/98 -0700, Robert wrote: >McGwire is not on steroids. The media got it wrong and blew the whole >thing out of proportion. Andro boosts testosterone slightly and >naturally. I still wouldn't use it due to a worry of increased >prostate cancer risk later in life, but I can't fault the guy for >using it. He's been through many injuries in the past and was at one >time on the brink of retirement. I think he's just trying to maintain >himself and stay healthy. Athletes will use just about anything to >gain an edge and sometimes pay the price for it later. Real steroids >would ultimately weaken his tendons, decrease mobility, and probably >turn him into a raging, homicidal, liver-failing, paranoid >schizophrentic. Andro does not have those effects. Also, remember this >is the guy who set the rookie home run mark long before Andro. He's >always hit dingers at a record pace. The difference this year? He's in >his prime and he's healthy. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:44:00 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Baseball fans only In a message dated 9/28/98 1:35:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hessj@ix.netcom.com writes: << the supplement McGwire has been using is permitted by major league baseball. MLB prohibits lots of things; this isn't one of them. And players other than Big Mac avail themselves of the supplement he uses. I too think the coverage of this has been lousy; it's as though muckrakers couldn't find any muck so decided to rake anything that was out there. Babe Ruth and Roger Maris and Mark McGwire all played under the rules of baseball as they existed during their playing years. Period. >> You are correct that the media overplayed this issue at first, but it quickly died out everywhere but on this list and became a non-issue a month ago. 70 home runs? I don't care if he was eating Green Kryptonite, that is phenomenal. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:14:39 +0200 From: Christophe Pical Subject: Re: TTT Got the tiger on friday. Was very enthusiastic after the first song. But I must say disappointed when the end of the CD came. It is short, too short. There are a few "bugs", at least in the reproduced lyrics of one song (My Best to You), if it is saxophone we hear on "Stay In Touch" I would like to see it, 30 seconds of silence at the end of "My Best To You" is a bit much. I do not mean to say it is bad, but I expected much, much more, which means that I do love JM. I find the keyboards are like a not-so-tasteful sauce, the guitar lacks a bit of personality in its sound. I have listened to TTT 5 times, and feel like I will never like it as much as I liked TI. I do not remember having any "bad" comments to say about TI, it was just perfect. I am obviously not claiming to have the right opinion about TTT, just my own. And I expect of course people on jmdl not to agree with me. C. ************************************** Dr Christophe Pical Dept of Plant Biochemistry Lund University PO Box 117 SE-221 00 Lund Sweden tel: +46-462227796 fax: +46-462224116 email: pbio-cpi@pop.lu.se ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #377 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?