From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #361 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, September 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 361 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni and Bob (He Who Hesitates Is Lost) [Skin Deep ] Re: NOV 1st MSG [DSK11 ] Re: Joni in New York [DSK11 ] re: bad Joni reviews [Robert Holliston ] Blue [Hassan Zubairi ] tanti baci, sat sep 19, 6:30 pm [trxschwa ] madison sq garden tkts [stevephoto@mindspring.com] RE: JM in Chicago [Susan McNamara ] Re: BDTS [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] NJC Phoebe Snow/Le Vien en Rose ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Birthday Ideas ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Kyle Eastwood album ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Joni Tickets on sale now! [Chilihead2@aol.com] NJC: SIMON... R U THERE ? [Roger Walker ] Re: JM in Chicago [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] BDTS [Steve Dulson ] Joni Mitchell's birthday [Howard Motyl ] Re: NOV 1st MSG [pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito)] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 ["H. Paul Davis" (by way of] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 ["H. Paul Davis" (by way of] Re: NOV 1st MSG ["Barbara L" ] Wanted: vhs of "Got til It's Gone" [Dan Streible ] When masters jam [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 ["Barbara L" ] Joni in New York- tickets [Ashara@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 ["Barbara L" ] Re: Joni in New York- tickets [pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito)] Re: Joni in New York- tickets [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell's birthday [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Postcard from Chili [Chilihead2@aol.com] Joni Smoked At The Garden! (was Re: JM in Chicago) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! [Les Irvin ] For Sherrie [PMcfad@aol.com] tour [Robbert ] Today in Joni History - September 19 [Today in Joni History ] Chark Mark In a Rainstorm ["Philip" ] Re: Chalk Mark In a Rainstorm [Jason Maloney ] Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Chark Mark In a Rainstorm ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) ["Steven A. Blue" ] UK jmdlers [Gertus@aol.com] UK jmdlers [Gertus@aol.com] RE: joni and dylan ["Happy The Man" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:43:13 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Joni and Bob (He Who Hesitates Is Lost) IMHO She's only going to get better, hone the sit list down. Hopefully add more of that jazzzz. Maybe a solo Stormy Weather or Corrina Corrina (Bird That Whistles). Looks like she's feeling her oats. No press what a move. The gal's got nerve. The razor's edge. Way to go Ms Mitchell. Waltzenfree np Corrina Corrina (where you bin so long)- The Ballzy Little Blonde JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 03:44:21 -0400 From: DSK11 Subject: Re: NOV 1st MSG Julie Z. Webb wrote: > > Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your ticket > needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group > seats asap: > 1. Julie ZWebb 2. ABSOLUTELY count me in!!! This is fantastic news! DebraShea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:16:35 -0400 From: DSK11 Subject: Re: Joni in New York > From: billp61@mail.execpc.com > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:45:04 +0000 > > October 29, 1998 Toronto, Ontario--(Thursday) > Maple Leaf Gardens > > November 1, 1998 New York, New York--(Sunday) > Madison Square Garden Joni's not scheduled (yet, anyway) for Friday and Saturday night. Think she might be at the Fez in NYC one of those nights? Anybody know how we can find out? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 03:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: bad Joni reviews Hi everyone, On the eve of my leaving Western Canada for my first ever and long-overdue visit to New York, where I will meet several of my JMDL friends, I'm posting because: Several people have expressed frustration at the negative reviews Joni tends to get (although the RS HOSL one was actually mostly positive [about the lyrics], even though the negative comments [about the music] in it were really horrible...) Other listers (i.e., die-hard and long time Joni lovers) have pointed out (confessed?) that they (we) too sometimes need to hear a new Joni album a few times before it really connects. (Mea culpa in this regard!) So, what bugs me about some of these reviews is: I get the feeling that the writer has only given the album one quick, cursory listen. The reviews for Beethoven's Third Symphony were really and truly ugly (posterity has been kinder to it) because none of the reviewers gave it a second (or third, or tenth) listen. The "average" pop music listener may not have the patience to give Joni's albums that second, third, or fourth listen, but that's his/her loss. Surely it's not asking too much if we expect more from a professional reviewer?? Really great music sometimes requires an investment on the part of the listener: its magic is not always immediately apparent. The worst review any Joni album ever received, IMHO, is Janet Maslin's dismissal of DJRD, published - you guessed it! - in Rolling Stone. You can find on at Les Irvin's Reviews page. I got the strong feeling that Ms. Maslin - an undistinguished film critic when she's not at home - gave this album one spin, couldn't decide how to deal with it, and, rather than listen to it a second time, savaged it in what was at that time the premier rock mag (or rag...) So, I've been sitting on the fence re: the birthday card idea. Let's wait a couple of weeks and see what the media has to say about TTT - what if that review in Jane (again, by someone who may have listened to the album only once) is an indication of things to come? From what I've read about Joni Mitchell - and what she's said in interviews - she REALLY appreciates positive feedback for her work. Maybe that's the best birthday present we could give her.... Just a thought, Roberto, looking so very forward to meeting Ric, Patrick, the Chiliheads, Heather, Duane (?), Eric (?) and and and...seeing Kenny and Steven again :-))))) (and you know there may be more....) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:42:17 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Blue The best way IMHO to listen to Blue is on LP. I got my first Blue album in 1988 from an HMV boxed set promotion of the world's greatest albums. I have since lost the booklet that accompanied it with wonderful early pics of our beloved. The album cover was just basically a sleeve and not gatefold like I was presented to me by my singing teacher years later. Hence I always heard 'I wanna be the one that you wanna see, on an itchy sweater ...'. But when I first started listening to JM, it was LOTC then Blue. And listening to Blue this way, especially on LP you get through side one quite contentedly listening to AIW, MOM, LG, Carey and then you get Blue and then it's just devastating. From the opening mournful notes to the final plea, it leaves you awash with such feelings of eternal sorrow. And you know you have to turn it over. But you can't quite bring yourself to do it because she's just broken your heart. Then you do and you get the sweet guitar and dulcimer of California and slowly, everything is all right again. You may still be sad but she takes you by the hand for a walk in a park to forget those memories. Just beautiful. JM in the midwest? Why don't I live in North America!!!!! (cue chorus from Austria, Australia, South Africa, Asia, all over the world.) Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:18:54 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: tanti baci, sat sep 19, 6:30 pm 163 west 10th, near 7th avenue see you tomorrow! patrick np - npr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:59:36 -0700 From: stevephoto@mindspring.com Subject: madison sq garden tkts Hey julie, This show announcement is some really exciting news for me. I have never seen joni live and I think it will be a blast going to a show with other people who are as into her as I am. please count me in for 2. let me know how much and how to get you the money Thanx-SJ joni forever stevephoto@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:47:40 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: JM in Chicago Thanks for this info, Howard. Joni was also very aloof to the press at the Garden, unfortunately for me, but after I found out Kilauren and Marlin were there, I wasn't surprised. She has always been a private person, and there seems to be a lot more attention being paid to her these days then in the last 15 years, at least. Although we always are confounded by her "shoot yourself in the foot" attitude toward PR (kiss my ass!), Joni does what she needs to do at all times, and I have great respect for that. In my opinion, the touring that she is doing right now seems to be at a scale she can handle, and I'm sure there will be a peppering of talk show gigs like when HITS&MISSES came out, but I would be very surprised if she did a tour on her own where she would have to play longer than one 70-minute set (ala the Trinity tour or the Garden). Touring with Dylan in October/November sounds great!! I hope they do the Big Apple. NP: Al Green's Greatest Hits (oh baby, look what you've done for me!) >These tickets would be for the *show only*--not for dinner and NOT for >the meet and greet with the goddess. She, JM herself, has restricted >the number of people in the meet and greet to 30 people so the largest >rollers will be there only. Also, JM is coming in on a private jet that >she demanded--I guess she has to smoke continuously now. And she is >being paid $75K for the deal. They wanted to do a small art show of her >work that would run for a couple of weeks and she refused. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: BDTS www.well.com/user/smarcus/mailorder.html gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:02:12 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC Phoebe Snow/Le Vien en Rose I have an opportunity to try to get in and see Phoebe Snow on Saturday at a small club here in Pittsburgh. I need to be coaxed. Anyone? I had a "La Vien En Rose" experience. Last night was Parent's Nite (without kids) at our children's school. Adrienne, our little "arts-and-crafts-bead&bracelet-maker," is in the 4th grade and her twin brothers are in different classes in the first grade. After, an orientation, we parents were ushered into the science lab. The teacher began demonstrating child-length sillohouette, (sp?) body cut-outs which each child illustrated personalizing them to look like themselves. Some kids added baseball caps, colorful clothing, accessories like glasses etc. The science teacher held up each child's drawing----remarking on the individualality and creativity that went into each child's concept of themselves. Then she held up my twin son Robert's body drawing. Robert had hardly drawn anything on his body, EXCEPT intricate, detailed, colorful, rope bracelets on each wrist and ankle. The teacher, with raised eyebrows said to the handful of parents with a twinkle in her eye, "And for some reason, our Robert drew these lovely bracelets on his wrists and ankles." I am ashamed to say that I felt my face becoming warm. Jon and I glanced at each other feeling a bit of discomfort. Typical of me when feeling anxious---I overexplained: "Oh his sister is really into beaded and braided jewlery design. She's quite an influence on him..." And here I thought I've become so evolved.... Who knows, perhaps we've got a future Gino and Donatella Versace on our hands....... -JulieZW, Feeling like putting a little maternal spin on "Cactus Tree" lyrics: "She will love them when she sees them...." "Bearing beads from California, with thier amber stones and green........." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:20:46 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Birthday Ideas Ok folks today is the day. You can now submit your birthday ideas to the following address which Les was kind enough to set up for this occasion. PLEASE PUT IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF YOUR MESSAGE "Official Birthday Idea" and also at the top of your message do the same so that the message will not accidentally get misplaced. It should look something like this: - -----------------------------OFFICIAL BIRTHDAY IDEA--------------------------------- Now, ideas will be accepted for 1 week then they will be posted and we will vote on them. Paul Ivice is helping out for this leg of the cards journey and I want to thank him for his help. Also I will refer repeatedly to this project as "The Card" knowing full well that it might not be a card at all. Have to call it something. Now that you've read everything the address is: birthdaycard@jmdl.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:27:26 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Kyle Eastwood album I've ordered it! Kakki wrote: > The Kyle Eastwood CD arrived in my mail today and I was much impressed with it > on the first listen. Get this album - it is fine. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:58:08 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Joni Tickets on sale now! Not that I know of but if they do go on sale, will somebody from the list e- mail me or call me immediately. I will pray for the remainder of all my days that your next rebirth be a favorable one. BTW did pick up Zen Guitar, a quick scan, and it looks like a great read. - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:51:27 -0400 From: Roger Walker Subject: NJC: SIMON... R U THERE ? Greetings JMDL'ers !!! I need you help! I've been trying to reach Simon for 2 weeks. Not a word from him. Has anyone heard from Simon? Please email mee *off* of the list if you've got any information. Thanks - -- rog Creativity IS Contagious! http://www.ohom.org http://www.ohomxiv.org http://www.florida-condo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 14:51:14 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: JM in Chicago Hey Howard, Not to defend a fellow smoker or anything, but I think her allergy to air conditioning probably weights more heavily here than the ability to smoke, a/c really disagrees with her, she's mentioned this on several occassions. She probably has more climate control on a private jet. Sure can't blame her for wanting to feel 100% before a performance -- and if that means chartering a plane instead of taking a commercial flight, you gotta do what you gotta do. Could also be a matter of principle. If it's the "norm" for top name performers to be transported to charity benefits via private jet, she has every right to require this to be part of the deal. Also, at $75K, after paying her agent, manager, and the IRS, she is working "cheap," so why not demand a few perks! I think the ability to smoke in-flight is probably the smallest factor here. -Kenny On 9/17/98 Howard Motyl wrote: Also, JM is coming in on a private jet that she demanded--I guess she has to smoke continuously now. And she is being paid $75K for the deal. They wanted to do a small art show of her work that would run for a couple of weeks and she refused. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:34:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: BDTS The BDTS URL is http://www.well.com/user/smarcus/mailorder.html I got excellent seats for Anaheim (two rows behind Wally!) through them. Steve Marcus came around to check that each seat had been purchased through him, and not a scalper, as BDTS is very anti- scalper. As someone said, follow their instructions to the letter, and you should get great seats. They are NOT doing seats for Toronto, unfortunately. Not that I have my financial head above water, but I was just beginning to see the surface from below...now Joni comes along to tempt me.... So, who's going to which show? Who has a vacant couch? Any leads on cheap air fares? Mpls is probably out for me, calendar-wise. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:36:18 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Joni Mitchell's birthday "Philip" wrote this: Subject: Joni Mitchell's birthday I think Joni Mitchell is well aware that she has admirers in every country in the world. After all she has been a music star for thirty years now. That's thirty years of heads turning at airports, unwanted gifts, flowers, and crowds of "well wishers" after concerts. During a concert in London once I saw some fool give her a teddy bear. The songs make us feel that we know her, but of course we don't. Her job is her art. We pay to hear it, that's the deal. A birthday card is unnecessary, but if one must be sent I urge that it be kept as simple as possible. Philip> and now I write: And I have to say that I agree with him completely. I know it is only $12 that you giving up but donate the money to a cause that JM likes and donate in her name. She loves cats so give it to the SPCA. I just find it hard to believe that you are thinking of buying a computer for a woman who has in the past two months--doing only two gigs, Woodstock and Chicago--been paid $525,000. (I know she probably had some expenses--maybe the band (but wouldn't their salary be negotiated seperately from hers?)--for Woodstock.) And what does that mean? What is she really supposed to do with it? Play computer games, as someone suggested? Write to the list? I think Howard's suggestion for a bottle of Tequila and a carton of Lucky Strikes is funny, and she would appreciate the humor and the sentiment of that gift--becuz giving a gift like that would show what you (we) really want to do with her--sit down as a friend and party with her. Sit down, have a drink and a smoke, just as she sings about Furry Sings the Blues, and chat with the goddess. That speaks more to friendship and breaking down borders than giving a computer could. The computer is cold and selfish. Giving her a computer implies that we/you want something back from her. "We can't meet you in person, Joni, so could write us a message to the list?" And no one should pretend that this is not what you want. You certainly aren't going to include Quicken so she can't get her finances straightened out, are you? A message of love should be simple and clean and heartfelt and selfless. As Philip says, a card with a simple direct message of thanks for continuing to give us pleasure. Howard - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions http://www.mpimedia.com "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Re: NOV 1st MSG >Julie Z. Webb wrote: >> >> Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your ticket >> needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group >> seats asap: >> 1. Julie ZWebb > > > 2. ABSOLUTELY count me in!!! This is fantastic news! > > DebraShea > > 3. I'm down. Esquizito (might be multiples.) It would be great to hang, but my guess is that for a show like this: NO DISCOUNTS. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:40:47 -0600 From: "H. Paul Davis" (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 > Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your >ticket > needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group > seats asap: FINALLY! I'M VERY EXCITED! Paul will be there! (Anyone need a ride from DC?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:40:28 -0600 From: "H. Paul Davis" (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 >A birthday card is unnecessary, but if one must be >sent I urge that it be kept as simple as possible. > >Philip I've been staying out of this discussion, but I agree with Philip. I know a lot of people want to let her know how much she means to us, but I feel a present, card, etc, is unnecessary and an intrusion in her private life. She knows we're here and she knows we love her music. I love Joni's music, not her, and have no desire to know her on that level. Would I like to meet or see her? I would lying if I said I wouldn't. But that ain't gonna happen in a situation I would be comfortable with (ie non intrusive to her) and therefore I'm perfectly fine with just enjoying her music (I personally would never go up to an artist after a concert and gush like a teenager about how much they mean to me) As Joni herself has said: "Separate the artist from the art". But if you do feel the need to give a gift, please, as Philip so wisely suggested, keep it simple. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:21:42 PDT From: "Barbara L" Subject: Re: NOV 1st MSG >willing to pay for them. Im with you on that. The best seats are the only way to go this time around. Julie I triple that emotion! I was at "the garden" --this was before I joined the JMDL, so many people shoved in front of my palatial real estate up front (Grrrr!) and I have got to say--bad seats to see Joni--what torture!!! Barbara ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:50:57 -0500 From: Dan Streible Subject: Wanted: vhs of "Got til It's Gone" Am I right that there is no commercial sale of Janet Jackson's 1997 music video "Got Til It's Gone"? For teaching purposes (my course in Media Arts) I am trying to locate a VHS tape of this video. I am willing to send someone tape and return postage, etc. for a copy of the video. Please write me if you can help. Much thanks, Dan Streible Columbia, South Carolina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 16:50:29 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: When masters jam I was just sitting at my PC composing something in MS Word, innocently listening to Taming The Tiger, and concentrating intently on my document, when TEARS began rolling down my cheeks during the musical interlude in Face Lift. The tonality of the Joni's guitar chords, the sweet severity of Wayne Shorter's sax, the absolute brilliance of orchestration... If some critics want to give this album *1 1/2 star* reviews then they just don't "get it." -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:59:05 PDT From: "Barbara L" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 Very, very interested!!!! > Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your >ticket > needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group > seats asap: FINALLY! I'M VERY EXCITED! Paul will be there! (Anyone need a ride from DC?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:04:45 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Joni in New York- tickets I have a ticket broker that is trying to find out about *really* good seats for Madison Square Garden. *Really* good seats, of course, means pricey. I have no idea at all how much they will be yet, but my guess is several hundred dollars. If anyone is interested in paying that kind of price for a ticket, please e-mail privately, ASAP, as I want to get back to him with a number. Thanks! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:05:33 PDT From: "Barbara L" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #359 Very, very interested!!!! > Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your >ticket > needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group > seats asap: FINALLY! I'M VERY EXCITED! Paul will be there! (Anyone need a ride from DC?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Re: Joni in New York- tickets >I have a ticket broker that is trying to find out about *really* good seats >for Madison Square Garden. *Really* good seats, of course, means pricey. I >have no idea at all how much they will be yet, but my guess is several hundred >dollars. If anyone is interested in paying that kind of price for a ticket, >please e-mail privately, ASAP, as I want to get back to him with a number. >Thanks! Humm. Well with all do respect: THERE IS NO ONE I WILL PAY SEVERAL HUNDRED $$$ FOR! This goes for waiting in line as well; I've seen the best. My "legend quota" is complete having seen Nina Simone last month in NJ (Third row center - $52.00!) I appreciate it all the same, Esquizito www.interport.net/~pswmusic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:45:04 -0700 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: Joni in New York- tickets Exquizito wrote> Humm. Well with all do respect: THERE IS NO ONE I WILL PAY SEVERAL HUNDRED $$$ FOR! This goes for waiting in line as well; I've seen the best. Sounds like the BDTS is the way to go for great seats at reasonable prices. I could kick myself for paying hundreds of dollars to a scalper for what was to be great seats at Pauley Pavilion. My seats were on the floor but three sections back...no way worth what I paid. I could hardly see Joni or hear her over the din of the Van the Man fans I was surrounded by....but that's another story. But, I remember those trusty listers that bought through BDTS that were up near the stage and had primo seats. :::::Davina still sulking::::: np: Shawn Colvin.... Live '88 - -----Original Message----- From: Esquizito To: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Joni in New York- tickets >>I have a ticket broker that is trying to find out about *really* good seats >>for Madison Square Garden. *Really* good seats, of course, means pricey. I >>have no idea at all how much they will be yet, but my guess is several hundred >>dollars. If anyone is interested in paying that kind of price for a ticket, >>please e-mail privately, ASAP, as I want to get back to him with a number. >>Thanks! > > Humm. Well with all do respect: THERE IS NO ONE I WILL PAY SEVERAL >HUNDRED $$$ FOR! This goes for waiting in line as well; I've seen the best. >My "legend quota" is complete having seen Nina Simone last month in NJ >(Third row center - $52.00!) > > I appreciate it all the same, > > Esquizito > www.interport.net/~pswmusic > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:50:19 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! By all means, anyone with information on when tickets go on sale for Joni & Bob, please keep send it to the general list. (And thanks, gdave, for the URL on BDTS!) However, as there are beginning to be more posts to the general list about the individual concerts, I just wanted to remind everyone that ... Les wrote: >Joniphiles! >Time's a wastin'! As with the West Coast tour, mailing lists have been set up to enable those attending the concerts to keep in touch with each other. One volunteer per group is needed to be the "list leader". Send a message to the respective address below and request to be added to the list. I'll keep everyone updated on the leader status for each group. How's the leader situation developing, Les? Any takers? Hoping everyone connects and has a GREAT time, Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:52:10 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's birthday perfectly said Howard. your comments about giving Joni a computer for her birthday reflect what i was trying to say in my post about the same topic. a handmade gift, with no strings attached would be more meaningful to anyone, rather than something manufactured, expensive, and with a hidden agenda. the expense of a gift of a computer says, to me, IMHO, you owe me now. also, i didn't intend my comments about the lack of Joni content on the list of late to be directed at anyone. they weren't. but many 'old timers' wrote to me with the same feelings. i know i have tried to start some threads about music that went nowhere. my clever friend Bill Dollinger sent in a hilarious list of Joni connections, fact and fiction, and asked for people to pick the three true ones. i believe joni herSelf would have laughed her ass off reading the list. i think there were three replys... and i know the list goes up and down. there will be joni content as TTT and these tours with Dylan manifest. i have been thinking about my original post to the list about the computer idea, and the response i got about my "assumption." PJ and i have written privately, and i owe him a reply now. but i reread his post, and i find a few things in it troubling. the mention of Wally's Web site, in reference to Joni finding her daughter. Wally's web site, jonimitchell.com and Les's Web site, jmdl.com, are not interchangeable. I do not know Wally, never met him. I did read the article in the Post about his motives behind creating his site. He states he did it as a selfless act, and I believe that. I, with my business partner, created an extensive web site for Canadian singer, Ferron. I do feel like I have a little window to Wally's soul, because I know exactly how it feels to make a Web site for a musician you love. For free. No strings attached. Am I happy Joni's daughter used Wally's site to find her mum? Shit yes. Delighted. I joined this list the week they were reunited, and there was joy all around. I don't see where this has anything to do with the JMDL. Les created a site where we can gab about Joan and other stuff. It is wonderful and generous as well. I maintain that giving her a computer so she can write to us on JMDL is transparent. Do I want Joni to post to the list? I do not care. If she wanted to, I bet her daughter or someone would let her use their computer! My personal vision of Joni, at this stage of her life, is of someone in front of her canvas painting, or sitting crossed leg out in that yard connecting with her writing muse. Maybe when she is older, like 80, and if the polio effects limit her mobility, she might like to gab by e-mail. I absolutely respect her need for privacey. I was with Kakii and Marsha in LA on a 'star search' hunt, but honestly, I felt really uncomfortable. I had a ball just being with those two gals, but I did not want to show up at anyone's gate unannounced. I think it is rude. I could be completely wrong, but my thought is if she wanted a computer she would buy one. That offering her something that is asking for a response would send her further away. She sure doesn't owe me, she has given me much. The best gift to me remains a handmade card of some sort. I actually think Howard's idea about giving to the SPCA would mean much, much more to her, or anyone. Everyone that wanted to chip in twelve bucks, gather it in a pot and make a contribution in JMDL's name to save some kitties, and enclose the receipt in a card. I think that would thrill her. Or we could adopt two kids through an organization, maybe even two from Ethiopia? Everyone that wanted could send in money to a person in charge, and Les could post the letters and photos we get. That would be cool. I am going to send this idea to the official birthday list Ken mentioned earlier today. Sherrie who also thinks buying Deb a computer is a really, really good idea NP: Trisha Yearwood; Where Your Road Leads ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:54:57 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Postcard from Chili It's a sunny September Friday afternoon. Warm. I've let my tan go and I'm trying to catch the last rays of summer while listening to TTT in my secret place,without tan lines. There are leaves skimming the pool like sailboats and in three weeks this place will be filled with autumn color. Nothing can stop the cold turn. Debbie is 38 this Monday. My angel with a paint brush and a piano. Her new painting of a sunflower almost done. Two dragon flies one red, one green like shiny metal. Flying and making love at the same time. The sounds of Joni floating "may your skies be blue" like bubbles over the pool. And it is a good day at Garden house. and I wish you all as much happiness as I have had today. - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:01:53 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Joni Smoked At The Garden! (was Re: JM in Chicago) Kenny wrote: > I think the ability to smoke in-flight is probably the smallest factor here. We all know that Joni's performance at A Day In The Garden "smoked," but I don't remember anyone mentioning that Joni lit up a ciggie on stage ... not once, but (at least) twice! I'm not a cigarette smoker. Seeing Joni smoking while performing was a little disturbing to me, but after thinking about it I decided it was similar to the way I feel when I first hear a new album of Joni's (that's almost always a disturbing experience) ... and at the same time I felt disturbed, I also thought it looked really cool ... My best friend, who was standing next to me and who is a smoker and a singer, definitely thought it was the coolest thing. I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Comments? Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:05:42 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! I wrote, like a goof: > By all means, anyone with information on when tickets go on sale for Joni & Bob, please keep send it to the general list. Er, um, that should have been "please keep SENDING it to the general list." But you all knew that, right? Lori in SA, feel especially anal-retentive today (and hoping for some slack) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:44:27 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! At 11:50 AM 9/18/98 , LRFye@aol.com wrote: >How's the leader situation developing, Les? Any takers? Strangely enough, we've had lots of people sign up for the individual lists but have no leaders yet. Anyone want to step up to the plate? Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:11:52 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: For Sherrie I know we will never be perfect Never entirely clear We get hurt and we just panic And we strike out Out of fear I fear the sentence of this solitude 200 years on hold Oh, and all we ever wanted, Was just to come in from the cold. JM 1991 pj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:01:05 +0200 From: Robbert Subject: tour Dear Listers, Greetings from Holland. I just got home and checked my mail after a few days of not having done so. I have just about recovered from the shock when I found out about the upcoming tour dates - YES!!!! A few questions of which I hope somebody has the answers too. I am considering doing Toronto and New York. Can anybody tell me when the tickets will go on sale and also, what would be the way to go for really excellent seats? Any input on this matter would be highly appreciated. Secondly, does anybody know if Joni will perform by herself or with the band? On November 1st, Brian Blade is scheduled to perform in California with his own band, so that made me wonder which, if any, musicians will be in her band.... Again, what a great way to start the weekend, making plans etc.!! I will be making flight arrangements tomorrow and I look forward very much to meeting "old" and "new" Listers - Kay, dinner on Nov. 1st? Love, Robbert, who will have to challenge that funny look on the face of his boss this upcoming Monday when he tells him he needs to take off to see Joni in America - again!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:17:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 19 1970: Today, Melody Maker publishes an article entitled "Glimpses of Joni". It reads, in part "In appearance, she seems rather severe in an attractive sort of way with her fine blonde hair scraped back from her tanned face, which has large bones around the cheeks and forehead, and a wide generous mouth. It's a pleasant, open face, that sits on top of a body whose seeming fragility inspires a feeling of instinctive protectiveness." Read the entire article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/mm700919.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 20 1979: The Los Angeles Commerce Tribune prints a review of Joni's recent performance at the Greek Theater entitled "Joni Mitchell: a Reaffirmation," written by Don Wanlass. An excerpt: Like many skeptics, I had my doubts about how effective a Joni Mitchell concert would be now that she is relying so heavily on jazz. Well, she showed me and everybody else at the Greek Theatre last Friday that she is still one of the most interesting and outstanding artists in contemporary music with a show that was a sheer delight. Mitchell has lost most of her commercial impact since turning to jazz after the biggest success of her career, "Court and Spark." Friday night she proved she could cross over musical styles and be just as compelling. Read the full article at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LACommerce79.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:32:54 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Tag It (NJC), Please! Y'all know how much I really do like NJC posts ... but PLEASE, so we can keep the complaints to a minimum, PLEASE REMEMBER to tag your posts that have No Joni Content with (NJC)! Thank you. Stepping off my soapbox now, Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:32:18 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni tour mailing lists! In a message dated 9/18/98 2:51:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Strangely enough, we've had lots of people sign up for the individual lists but have no leaders yet. Anyone want to step up to the plate? >> I have no idea what the leader is supposed to do, but I'll volunteer to be the Detroit connection. I'm on vacation, squinting at this laptop, so can someone tell me what day of the week Joni hits Detroit?? God, I hope I can GO. Terry, wishing she had her darn calender here in Saugatuck, Michigan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:41:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in New York In a message dated 9/18/98 4:18:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << > October 29, 1998 Toronto, Ontario--(Thursday) > Maple Leaf Gardens > > November 1, 1998 New York, New York--(Sunday) > Madison Square Garden Joni's not scheduled (yet, anyway) for Friday and Saturday night. Think she might be at the Fez in NYC one of those nights? Anybody know how we can find out? >> I suspect that she might need a night off every now and then. Don't you? Give her a break! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:46:29 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's birthday (bordering on NJC) Howard wrote (and how many Howards do we have here?): > I think Howard's suggestion for a bottle of Tequila and a carton of > Lucky Strikes is funny, and she would appreciate the humor and the > sentiment of that gift--becuz giving a gift like that would show what > you (we) really want to do with her--sit down as a friend and party with > her. With this, we could include the recipe for the Tequila Anaconda from some months ago ... whose receipe was that, anyway? Lori in San Antonio, who quite enjoyed her visit to a nifty little bar called Tequila Mockingbird with Leslie Mixon and John Villasana back in July (and yes, Leslie, I still need to mail you those photos!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:03:37 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in New York I think a club gig in NY is entirely possible and worth wishing upon a star for. It's more likely that additional shows will be added somewhere in the east featuring both Dylan and Joni. This is the schedule according to the Dylan mail order ticket sales site. Note the TBA: 23:Minneapolis, Minnesota (with Joni Mitchell) 25:Chicago, Illinois (with Joni Mitchell) 27:Indianapolis, Indiana (with Joni Mitchell) 28:Detroit, Michigan (with Joni Mitchell) 29:Toronto, Canada (with Joni Mitchell) 30:TBA 31:TBA November: 1:New York City, New York (with Joni Mitchell) - -Julius << Joni's not scheduled (yet, anyway) for Friday and Saturday night. Think she might be at the Fez in NYC one of those nights? Anybody know how we can find out? >> I suspect that she might need a night off every now and then. Don't you? Give her a break! Paul I >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:26:32 -0400 From: DSK11 Subject: Re: Joni in New York From Debra Shea: > >Joni's not scheduled (yet, anyway) for Friday and Saturday night. Think > >she might be at the Fez in NYC one of those nights? Anybody know how we > >can find out? From Esquizito: > Wishful thinking, I think. The Mingus Big Band only plays Thursday > nights. > From Rachel: > The person who I know who works at Fez, does most of the booking, > basically just said that there are no Fez plans, and got kindof annoyed > that I said there were rumors about it. ****************** It wouldn't have to be with the Mingus big band. Joni performed by herself at the Fez a couple of years ago to an audience of mostly "people in the business." From what I read about it later, the only way people found out about it was word of mouth, and since the club only holds 150 people, it took very little time to fill the place up. Rachel, if your contact is annoyed about your question, I hope this means he knows how interested you are and that he'll let you (and us) know if Joni decides to pop in. It's unlikely that she will, now that she's doing so much performing. My guess is part of her reason for playing the Fez was to try out some TTT and to get some performing practice. (Practice seems like an odd word in connection with Joni, but she hadn't been performing much up to then.) And she likes playing is such small places, doesn't she? ***************** From Paul I: > I suspect that she might need a night off every now and then. Don't you? Give > her a break! Joni can manage her own schedule; I don't need to give her a break. And who wouldn't want to see her in such a cozy setting? DebraShea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:27:30 +0100 From: "Philip" Subject: Chark Mark In a Rainstorm I saw a couple of notes in here lately which placed the Chalk Mark record on a B list. I feel I must put a case for the defense, after all it's just a Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm. To me Chalk Mark is a definite A list record and a possible contender for top dog. It took longer to make than any of the others and must have cost Geffen a fortune. Nine different studios were used to achieve a sound that represents the pinnacle of the Mitchell/Klein recording collaboration. The opening track My Secret Place still astounds me ten years after first hearing it. Built around a basic piano loop and then layered with gangs of keyboards, open tuned guitars, drums and chorus voices, a discordant guitar chord that shouldn't work but does beautifully and crashing cymbals, it's a big open air sound. Joni and Peter Gabriel sing quietly as if sharing a secret. The other key songs on the record are Beat Of Black Wings, Tea Leaf Prophesy, and Number One. Cool Water with Willie Nelson is the best soundtrack for a camping weekend I know. Of course, no record is perfect and you'd have to wonder how Billy Idol got involved. He was never considered a proper punk in England, but was somehow bestowed with a degree of street cred when he landed in America. Try to find the 12" of My Secret Place, as well as sounding gorgeous it's got a lovely cover. Philip - - in retro mode, like Mojo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:48:45 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Chalk Mark In a Rainstorm Thank you, Philip, for singing the praises of what is a beautiful album. Y'all know how much I adore My Secret Place, and I too would class it as a truly magical Joni moment. Maybe some of the other songs occasionally tie themselves in knots with over-embellished arrangements, and Dancing Clown is an odd beast, but how could you NOT love a record called Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm? Only 10 days left to go until TTT here in the UK.....we are gonna be doing some serious shopping come Sep 28....Joni, Lauryn Hill, Depeche Mode and Sheryl Crow all out on the same day. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) I'm wondering why something so innocuous as a birthday card has touched such raw nerves in some people. A group birthday card was sent to her last year and I don't recall any negativity whatsoever last year toward sending it to Joni. Maybe I'm been naive in assuming it was going to be a JMDL tradition each year. As far as sending her a computer, I always thought the person who suggested this originally was doing so in jest. And I believe that Marian, who supported the idea as a viable one, had only the purest of intentions at heart. Why do people want to get so bent out of shape about this all? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:00:34 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) Kakki asked: > Why do people want to get so bent out of shape about this all? Good question. Seems some of us have been having a run of the "grouchies" lately ... Lori in San Antonio, wondering what zodiac sign the moon is in ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:03:39 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Chark Mark In a Rainstorm Hi to Philip, who writes ... >I saw a couple of notes in here lately which placed the >Chalk Mark record on a B list. I feel I must put a case for >the defense, after all it's just a Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm. I whole heartedly agree ... and thank you for your eloquent defense of this wonderful album. Might have to dub you the "Clarence Darrow" of the jmdl, as Darrow was famous in his eloquent defenses of what were considered "lost causes" in the American legal system. :-) I've only one thing to add in defense of CMIAR ... on your list of essential cuts, you forgot the incredibly pulsing "Snakes and Ladders" with Don Henly, which by it's very dance-pop nature becomes an even more searing look at the superficial values dominating the times that were the late 1980's. Oh and just one footnote ... who else could but our Joni could possibly record a song with Tom Petty and Billy Idol and avoid a homicide? Gotta give her an "A" for cheekiness, if nothing else! Don Rowe (thinking ... life would be so easy if I had that new appliance) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:41:40 -0000 From: "Steven A. Blue" Subject: Re: Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) Yes, the grouchies have struck.............. - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki To: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:56 PM Subject: Birthday Card suggestions (NJC) >I'm wondering why something so innocuous as a birthday card has touched such >raw nerves in some people. A group birthday card was sent to her last year and >I don't recall any negativity whatsoever last year toward sending it to Joni. >Maybe I'm been naive in assuming it was going to be a JMDL tradition each year. > >As far as sending her a computer, I always thought the person who suggested >this originally was doing so in jest. And I believe that Marian, who supported >the idea as a viable one, had only the purest of intentions at heart. Why do >people want to get so bent out of shape about this all? > >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:35:43 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK jmdlers Rob and co, I wanna join in the UKjmdl season. How dare you start without me! However, even though my musical horizons are quite wide, I've never heard of Lloyd Cole/Jill Sobule. I must need some education. Could someone fill me in please? As I've said before, what we really need to do is to get Joni over here. She's obviously getting a taste for performing so how do we persuade her to travel? Concorde isn't too bad. London is supposed to be her favourite city so what can we do to entice her? Ideas on a postcard please! Really though, it was great to hear that you guys got together. Lets hope its the start of something big. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:35:43 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK jmdlers Rob and co, I wanna join in the UKjmdl season. How dare you start without me! However, even though my musical horizons are quite wide, I've never heard of Lloyd Cole/Jill Sobule. I must need some education. Could someone fill me in please? As I've said before, what we really need to do is to get Joni over here. She's obviously getting a taste for performing so how do we persuade her to travel? Concorde isn't too bad. London is supposed to be her favourite city so what can we do to entice her? Ideas on a postcard please! Really though, it was great to hear that you guys got together. Lets hope its the start of something big. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:59:17 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: joni and dylan I love Jann Arden but why Joni did not do the Western Canada tour I will never know. Funny of all places for her to tour in Canada (Toronto). > Evian > np: James Taylor -- GORILLA > He's got arms like legs, he's got hands on his feet.... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #361 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?