From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #359 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 359 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Birthday computer [M.Russell@iaea.org] List tones (NJC BUT RELEVANT FOR ALL OF US) [Evian ] VG8 question [Howard Wright ] Joni Mitchell's birthday ["Philip" ] Meeting up with the JMDL [Hassan Zubairi ] Re: Meeting up with the UK JMDL (NJC) ["Rob Jordan" ] Re: Joni's Birthday - card/map/PC etc ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: TTT and alternative tunings ["Don Rowe" ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #357 [Jerry Notaro ] First Taste of CCL on KTAO!! ["Don Rowe" ] [Fwd: thanks] [Jerry Notaro ] Pinheads at Rolling Stone [michael paz ] Joni/Dylan in Minneapolis [rkbjf ] RE: Pinheads at Rolling Stone [Michael Yarbrough ] JM in Chicago [Howard Motyl ] Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni and Ani: waiting [Jill Tamada ] jm & bd on tour (JC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] RE: Joni and Ani: waiting ["Happy The Man" ] Colorado Fest [Bounced Message ] Today in Joni History - September 18 [Today in Joni History ] Joni tour mailing lists! [Les Irvin ] yay! [madmission girl ] Re: bday card (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November [Mark Domyancich ] RE: TTT and alternative tunings ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November [heather ] Re: how do you stop [Helen Gill ] new concert dates ["Deb Messling" ] Re: how do you stop [catman ] Re: NOV 1st MSG [Ashara@aol.com] Re: NOV 1st MSG [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Meeting up with the UK JMDL (NJC) [trxschwa ] Re: Joni and Bob Tour - What to do? ["Kakki" ] Re: Meeting up with the UK JMDL (Me, too content - NJC) ["Kakki" As for the money, let's do some simple math. << > 500 jmdlers. Let's say 100 are willing to offer << > $12 for the gift. That's $1,200 and that would do it. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:52:43 -0600 From: Evian Subject: List tones (NJC BUT RELEVANT FOR ALL OF US) I wasn't going to mention anything, but this is really bugging the crap outta me ... sometimes the tone of posts to this list leaves a lot to be desired. Lori, you read my mind! Sometimes I will write something to post to the list but will end up deleting it before its sent because I start thinking that it might have already been discussed or it isn't relative to any kind of Joni content, which seems to irk more and more people. During the pet thread a few weeks ago, I was so tempted to ask for potty training tips for my puppy, but then I thought that I would probably get a bunch of email saying that this doesn't belong on the list, which it probably didn't. However, when we reply to posts that are basically irrelevant to Joni and do so in a sarcastic or snotty manner, it makes the person who posts really feel bad... believe me, I've been there! So, I just want to say that when we post something that is either totally NJC, or have a disagreement with someone's ideas, we should be tactful in how we handle it. Sometimes the list reminds me of "Sex Kills" when things get heated for petty reasons... I can feel it out in traffic, everyone hates everyone.... And, one more thing, the NJC and JC at the end of posts took me forever to figure out what they meant! So, with new people, if you want to email them and say that in the future they should use JC and NJC for posts, lets do so tactfully... and sometimes we honestly forget to put these in a post. When I forget, I brace myself for the influx of email telling me that I need to do this. So, if we recognize a new nick or email addy and they haven't yet figured out these abbreviations, lets make sure that we tell these people tactfully that they need to put these in their posts.. how about something like "I really enjoyed your post.. blah blah blah.. we have abbreviations for the list that are useful for those who only like JC" or whatever. Remember, new people are coming into a community that already has its cliques and personalities, and they may feel very alone and shy about posting the first few times, so let's try to make their time on the list both fun AND stress free! That is my 2 cents for today! Cheers, Evian (who has basically trained the dog.... FINALLY!) np: Midnight Starr -- "No Parking on the Dancefloor" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:23:13 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Joni's Birthday - card/map/PC etc There have been a real flood of posts about these birthday ideas - the danger is that we will do a lot of talking and suggesting, but no decisions will be taken for weeks, and we will have not have enough time to actually plan her birthday card/gift/whatever. Personally, I'm not at all in favour of the PC idea. A bit too nerdy? It seems that there have been more posts against this idea than for. I don't know if I remember all the ideas so far, but here are some: (please correct or add to this list if I left something out!) * Simple birthday card (like last year) with signatures/greetings sent in by each of us. Sending in photos for the card is another possibility. * A collection/collage of postcards or photos sent by each of us. With personalised greetings on the back? * A birthday card/map of the world with markers/names next to the home towns of each JMDLer. Possible extra: a title (Happy Birthday from the JMDL ?) with lines connecting to each of the points/names on the map. * A bottle of tequila and 20 Lucky Strikes (just joking ...) * A PC and/or electronic birthday card (on a floppy disc/CD) I may well have missed some out, or misinterpreted some ideas - forgive me! Maybe we can get add/update this list, then try to narrow the choices down, or take a vote. We need to decide what we are going to send so we can get on with the organising. I would be happy with either a "simple" birthday card like last year (it was beautifully designed) or the map idea, with names marking each of our home towns, and lines connecting each of us to the "JMDL" title. Over to you ... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:32:44 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: VG8 question This is for those folk lucky enough to own one of these machines. When using distorted/overdriven sounds, is it possible to get the six individual signals from each string, add the overdrive to each signal, and then combine them all and send them to the output? The reason I ask is because the sound of Joni's VG8-guitar on "Lead Balloon" is pretty amazing. Anyone who has played around with electric guitars and distortion effects knows that when you start to play big, lush chords, the sound gets real mushy and somewhat ugly. Simple chords, especially power chords, give a much stronger sound with distortion than more exotic/jazzy chords. Joni is definitely playing her usual jazzy/exotic chords, with chunky distortion, yet you can still hear the individual notes quite clearly, and the sound is certainly not mushy - which made me wonder if you can apply the distortion to the individual strings. It's like the Brian May multi-track guitar parts used in Queen - when you stack 3 or 4 solo lines of distorted guitar on top of each other, you can get an awesomely powerful sound. Playing them all together on one guitar just doesn't sound the same. How does this work with the VG8 ? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:43:10 +0100 From: "Philip" Subject: Joni Mitchell's birthday I think Joni Mitchell is well aware that she has admirers in every country in the world. After all she has been a music star for thirty years now. That's thirty years of heads turning at airports, unwanted gifts, flowers, and crowds of "well wishers" after concerts. During a concert in London once I saw some fool give her a teddy bear. The songs make us feel that we know her, but of course we don't. Her job is her art. We pay to hear it, that's the deal. A birthday card is unnecessary, but if one must be sent I urge that it be kept as simple as possible. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:53:10 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Meeting up with the JMDL Last night was the David Gray/Maria McKee gig and finally some of the London JMDL were able to meet. I had met Azeem when he came to see my play a coupla nights before so I knew what he looked like and I had sent Rob Jordan my headshot so he knew what I looked like. Rob had sent me a compilation of Maria McKee's stuff and it is slowly growing on me. In return I sent him David Gray's stuff. Unfortunately he didn't play anything I though he was going to play, as he is in the middle of recording a new album, so he had a coupla new songs burning in his pocket. If anyone is interested in a soulful man singing about love, love lost, love found, sex, the state of the world, in an honest way then listen to David Gray. He has 3 albums so far: A Century Ends Flesh Sell, Sell, Sell Shameless plugging but he needs the help, units wise. He also uses some open tunings but so far hasn't ventured out beyond open D ('Shine' from A Century Ends is an amazing track). He was with EMI but dropped out of another year of his contract because he was being treated like sh*t by them - Clune, his drummer who is very good, was saying that in Ireland where he is really popular, EMI refused to put out his new album, and deleted it as soon as it was printed. If you can get SSS it's brilliant. He is now without a producer and is recording the new album at home. Much like someone else we know. I can't give a review of Ms McKee as I was talking to David Gray throughout. In the audience were George Wendt - from Cheers, in London doing a play by Yasmina Reza called Art; and Bronagh Gallagher, an actress from The Commitments and she was in the scene that really made Pulp Fiction for me. In fact she took Pulp Fiction from well written pulp fiction genre and turned it into well observed Chekhov. The girl on the couch in the background while Uma Thurman was o.d.-ing. Still makes me laugh. I managed to write a poem on the tube on the way home after saying goodbye to the guys. Needs work but I was in zen. We also discussed how Joni should be higher in the ratings than Bob Dylan, as a vocal great in MOJO. I mean, please, when it comes to technique, and emotional inner life and putting a song across Joni has it all. Dylan kinda just doesn't have all three at the same time. IMHO. Mojo also has a pic of TTT just after Aretha Franklin (no. 1 vocal great). The print of it is inconsistent from copy to copy. Sometime the wording - in mauve is perfect, sometimes the plates aren't aligned on the printer. Also in Guitarist magazine there is an article about the index of the best female guitarists. JM is number 1 in the top ten and the mag recommends Hejira, Blue and C&S. Not a very good article and main picture is from Isle of Wight (orange knitted frock). There are also 3 samples of guitar techniques that they have notated and recorded. They are inaccurate but I haven't heard them (cd supplied). I had a good night last night. Meeting up with Rob J and Azeem. Finally meeting David Gray and buying him a Guinness. Much Joni to everyone 11 days and counting. JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:03:24 +0100 From: "Rob Jordan" Subject: Re: Meeting up with the UK JMDL (NJC) Yep, the UK JMDL season is finally in full swing! Last night it was JamieJake, Azeem and me at Maria McKee/David Gray. I'm expecting Colin and maybe Jamie (new convert!) at Dar Williams in a couple of weeks. Azeem is offering Lloyd Cole/Jill Sobule soon, too. Anyone else want to join the crowd? It was funny meeting up. I was looking for a brooding, sultry actor based on Jamie's publicity photo, and someone with a goatee and "big duck" T-shirt (Azeem). Jamie and I agreed that what really clinched it was that we were both giving all passers-by peculiar and lingering glances! Jamie also helpfully hummed Crazy Cries of Love as a further hint. Anyway, I would say we got on like a house on fire, bonded by love of music. Azeem is a musical encyclopaedia, but one where the passion shines through on every page :-) A great night! Maria McKee played lots of powerful new songs from an as-yet unrecorded album, and David Gray was soulful, and gets full marks for weaving together Mark Almond and Van Morrison on a cover of Soft Cell's "Say Hello, Wave Goodbye". Oh, and as we looked at Azeem's Mojo magazine, I loved the way Jamie stroked the pages where Joni Mitchell's pictures were! Looking forward to the next time. Rob - -----Original Message----- From: Hassan Zubairi To: 'JMDL' Date: 17 September 1998 11:20 Subject: Meeting up with the JMDL >Last night was the David Gray/Maria McKee gig and finally some of the London JMDL were able to meet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:50:47 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Joni in the record shops I went to Our Price on Tuesday and they have on their New Release poster a little bit of blurb on TTT. Saying it's Joni's first album in 4 years as a follow-up to her Grammy award winning Turbulent Indigo. The title song inspired by the poem The Tyger. Which as we know, isn't. It quotes from but not directly inspired by. Good that she is being promoted, but they could have got their blurb right. Goodness! Much of a muchness JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:26:31 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday - card/map/PC etc Don't worry Howard things are starting to come together. With in the next few days I'll make an announcement for people to start sending in there ideas officially. There will be an email address set up specially for it. About a week later we will vote on the ideas and then we will see what we will see. Howard Wright wrote: > There have been a real flood of posts about these birthday ideas - the > danger is that we will do a lot of talking and suggesting, but no > decisions will be taken for weeks, and we will have not have enough time > to actually plan her birthday card/gift/whatever. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:14:25 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: TTT and alternative tunings Hi to Marion, who writes ... >Hi guys and gals. What you say is interesting but don't you find that sometimes one of Joni's songs will strike you on the first listen? This has happened to me twice ... first with "The Chinese Cafe", in a normal sort of way, which was convenient since it was the first cut on the album. The one that *really* sent me into joni-psycho land was "How Do You Stop", which for the first week after I bought TI, was programmed to play every other song whenever I listened to the CD ... so how's that for obsessive/compulsive JM disorder! Don Rowe (who still can't get enough of that alternately tuned chord that she strums to punctuate "How Do You Stop") ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:29:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #357 Jerome Gonzales wrote: > BTW, did I mention I'd be happy to pick up a copy for Wally and others > not in the LA area? Could you post it electronically to the list? Ani is my hometown girl and my cousin works for Rightious Babe. Ani is a long-time Joni fan and has always credited her as a premiere singer songwriter role model. She's one smart lady. I'm sure the interview will be a knockout. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:36:52 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: First Taste of CCL on KTAO!! KTAO is playing "Crazy Cries of Love" -- AS I WRITE THIS!! Oh man, this is the first time I've *ever* heard it ... and I'm tellin' you right now, if the rest of TTT is *anything* like this delicious song -- all you would-be B-listers, "boo-hoo" lyric pooh-poohers and VG8 guitar cynics can go soak your heads! There, I said it, and I feel much better! Don Rowe :-) who REALLY can't wait now ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:48:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: [Fwd: thanks] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------89CEC0C1317CCDCD2022071A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From WMNF. - --------------89CEC0C1317CCDCD2022071A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: ghgator@ibm.net Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by bayflash.stpt.usf.edu (8.8.7/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27770 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (gate01.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.18]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA38376 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:47:34 GMT Message-ID: <36012152.97C644E2@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:48:51 -0400 From: Glen Hatchell Reply-To: ghgator@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: thanks References: <36011F8F.D4D5A012@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Jerry, Thanks for the email! Joni is one of several very big influences on my early music listening days. I know there is a promo single for the upcoming release but I can't remember what it is called. Nell played it this morning....I don't believe the CD is in yet. Keep listening! Glen Jerry Notaro wrote: > Hey Glen, > > Thanks for all the Joni airplay. It always makes my day. Does WMNF have > Taming the Tiger yet? I'm eager to hear the station play Crazy Cries of > Love. Thanks, again. > > Jerry - --------------89CEC0C1317CCDCD2022071A-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:12:41 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Pinheads at Rolling Stone Good Morning- Reading the RS rag this morning and they gave Joni a real crappy review of her performance at the Garden. Also a blurb about the release of TTT that was pretty crappy as well. What's the matter with these jerks? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:06:50 -0500 From: rkbjf Subject: Joni/Dylan in Minneapolis Hi all, I heard from a very reliable source (the editor of the entertainment section of the Minneapolis paper) that there is an "80% probability" that Joni and Dylan will play Minneapolis sometime in late October! That almost sounds like a confirmation of a Joni tour in the fall!! Is anyone ready to confirm or deny this possibity yet? I'm already getting ready for the show! Brad NP: Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (just may be the album of the year) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:44:06 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Pinheads at Rolling Stone Michael Paz wrote: <<>> They seem to be afflicted with a terrible case of an opinion that differs from ours. We can only hope they pull through. In all seriousness, there will be many reviews coming out within the next few weeks. Some will be good. Some will be bad. Some of the bad ones may even be written by our own peers on this discussion list. Does it really make sense to take offense at someone else's opinion, and to insult them for having said opinion when you have no personal knowledge of what qualifications they may or may not have that might lead them to such an opinion? I listened to the Garden concert via RealAudio and thought it was magnificent. I've listened to TTT on tape several times and find it pretty good with moments of brilliance and a couple of big, albeit daring, gaffes. I'm prepared to amend my opinion when I hear it on CD. You may not like or agree with my opinions, but I can guarantee you that not one of them will prove me to be a pinhead or unqualified to pass judgment on Joni's work. The same holds true for every single member of the JMDL, as far as I'm concerned. I hope unnecessary name-calling will be held in check as we start to offer our own reviews of TTT, whether they carry one star or five. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:53:55 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: JM in Chicago Ok, fans-- here's some poop about JM in chicago. I was offered a ticket to the concert for $500 by my friend who works there and if anyone wants to go, and if there are any left, I could arrange it for you. She will be performing in 400+ seat room, with guitar only. I cannot afford it right now and am mourning the fact. But if you can and want to go, let me know immediately. These tickets would be for the *show only*--not for dinner and NOT for the meet and greet with the goddess. She, JM herself, has restricted the number of people in the meet and greet to 30 people so the largest rollers will be there only. Also, JM is coming in on a private jet that she demanded--I guess she has to smoke continuously now. And she is being paid $75K for the deal. They wanted to do a small art show of her work that would run for a couple of weeks and she refused. Oh, and for all of you who are bemoaning the fact the press doesn't cover her, *she* has restricted any press from being at the performance itself. She said something like press and performance don't mix . . . hmm, doesn't she have an album coming out in a couple of weeks? Wouldn't this be a great opportunity to get press galore? Hmm, one wonders . . . Don't get me wrong here, I love her. But sometimes . . . Howard "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:17:54 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November From: billp61@mail.execpc.com Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:45:04 +0000 October 23, 1998 Minneapolis, Minnesota--(Friday) The Target Center October 25, 1998 Chicago, Illinois--(Sunday) United Center October 27, 1998 Indianapolis, Indiana--(Tuesday) Market Square Arena October 28, 1998 Detroit, Michigan--(Wednesday) Palace of Auburn Hills October 29, 1998 Toronto, Ontario--(Thursday) Maple Leaf Gardens November 1, 1998 New York, New York--(Sunday) Madison Square Garden ***************************************** Additional information can be found on the Bob Links web page located at: http://www.execpc.com/~billp61/dates.html Bill Pagel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:27:28 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November Whoopee! Except <;-)>: Joni is Bob's "supporting act"? And what about DC, Joni? It's not too late to add another date, y'know. Janet, who turns 50 tomorrow and thinks Joni in the capital would be a capital present (and she can even drop that Bob guy) At 11:17 AM 9/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >From: billp61@mail.execpc.com >Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:45:04 +0000 > > October 23, 1998 Minneapolis, Minnesota--(Friday) > The Target Center > > October 25, 1998 Chicago, Illinois--(Sunday) > United Center > > October 27, 1998 Indianapolis, Indiana--(Tuesday) > Market Square Arena > > October 28, 1998 Detroit, Michigan--(Wednesday) > Palace of Auburn Hills > > October 29, 1998 Toronto, Ontario--(Thursday) > Maple Leaf Gardens > > November 1, 1998 New York, New York--(Sunday) > Madison Square Garden > >***************************************** > >Additional information can be found >on the Bob Links web page located at: > >http://www.execpc.com/~billp61/dates.html > >Bill Pagel > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:28:53 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Earth to Patrick: "Which way to the Brooklyn Bridge?" Hi Patrick and the gang who is going to NYC on Saturday 9/19, When and Where are we going to meet? I was hoping to get into town early and maybe walk across the Brooklyn Bridge.... anyone else interested? I may in fact jump off. Just kidding but that's the kind of week I've been having. See how dear you all have become to me I tell you things like that. Sorry if there's no Joni content in it. OK. Let me make it Joni PC. "I met a little lawyer on the tube, he said it's so easy now anyone can sue" and believe me they do and do. I am being sued by the hospital where I had my surgery because someone was negligent in submitting my medical claims. They put screws in my back but neglected to tell me the big screwing would be happening a little later. I've spent days trying to straightening this crap out and they're still going ahead with a claim against me, despite the fact that I have the best health insurance and so does Mrs. Chili. Well, I hope they let me have my pc in debtor's prison. "The First thing we'll do is kill all the lawyers"-Shakespeare. Can you have a heart and be a lawyer? Maybe that's what my claim to fame to will be when I finally am well enough to sit for the bar. I'll be the first lawyer to have a heart. A medical and legal miracle! Now off to play all the depressing Joni songs I can and work on my tan by the pool. This crap really has cut into my pool time! LOL! I may come off as a sensitive new age guy but at my core I'm one tough hot Chili! Let's just say today I would make Judge Judy look like Mary Poppins. Hot weather makes hot chilies! Love you guyz, - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November > November 1, 1998 New York, New York--(Sunday) > Madison Square Garden Humm. Sounds like a "collision mission" to me, i.e. I suppose Joni would open the show? Not to steal Dylan's thunder but I wonder: would I want to hear a full set of him after the girl? My Gratitude all the same, Esquizito www.interport.net/~pswmusic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:50:11 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Joni and Ani: waiting LA people, Anyone willing to report on the Joni and Ani interview which was suppose to be in today's LA paper? anxiously waiting, -Julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:58:25 -0700 From: Jill Tamada Subject: Re: Joni and Ani: waiting I'lll run down to my car and get the paper and look. If it is there I'm happy to report. I thought it was going to be in the paper this Sunday though. Stay tuned. Julie Z. Webb wrote: > > LA people, > Anyone willing to report on the Joni and Ani interview which was suppose > to be in today's LA paper? anxiously waiting, -Julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:16:26 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: jm & bd on tour (JC) Minneapolis chicago indianapolis detroit- the midwest is covered (sorry about no st louis, Don)- putting the call out now- gene and I do have room- somewhat limited to floor space i'm afraid, and one large ratty sofa and one futon in gene's office...- for anyone coming from out of town for the chicago gig. apartment is large and cluttered with a cat (for those with allergies). can comfortably hold 4-5 at max in the living room- which is curtained off and can be made into a sizeable dormitory. heck- i'm thinking about minneapolis (8 hrs away) & indianapolis (3.5 hrs away!) as well! just a little more than a month away!!!!!!!! yours doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:50:03 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: Joni and Ani: waiting I checked calendar live and it shows no article about Joni and ani for today. Probably Sunday's section which you can get over the internet. www.latimes.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:18:43 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Colorado Fest From: "Steve Mixon" Subject: Colorado Fest Hello: I am in the Washington, DC area right now, on vacation visiting family. I will research the answers to Julie's questions (and any others) next week when I return home. Thanks for your patience. Leslie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:17:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 18 1996: From today's AllStar website: "The much talked about Grace Of My Heart soundtrack, featuring '60s-era songwriters teaming with the cream of the crop of '90s musicians, was recalled by MCA Records allegedly because permission to use the Joni Mitchell-sung track, "Man From Mars," was not obtained in time for the release." Read the rest of the details at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rt960918.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:36:54 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November Open letter to the powers that be: Yeee-haw!! Now can I just put in a simple request for a DC show on a Monday or Tuesday night so my boyfriend, who claims at least some of the responsibility for helping me discover our beloved Joan, can also see her? He will be performing in the highly acclaimed Studio Theater production of "Waiting for Godot" through the last half of October and into November (hint, hint, DC JMDLers), and I would hate for him to miss out. In any case, save a seat for me at Madison Square Garden and possibly the United Center in Chi-town!!! Yeee-haw!!! - --Michael, preparing to beg with VISA, "Pleeeease, just one more month?!?" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:39:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November Well, there you go!! "So [they] sent up [their] prayer, wondering who's there to hear...they said, send us our Joni, so loved, to places so near..." Kakki P.S. Don't worry about The Bob, he'll make her look good ;-D > Subject: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November > October 23, 1998 Minneapolis, Minnesota--(Friday) > The Target Center > > October 25, 1998 Chicago, Illinois--(Sunday) > United Center > > October 27, 1998 Indianapolis, Indiana--(Tuesday) > Market Square Arena > > October 28, 1998 Detroit, Michigan--(Wednesday) > Palace of Auburn Hills > > October 29, 1998 Toronto, Ontario--(Thursday) > Maple Leaf Gardens > > November 1, 1998 New York, New York--(Sunday) > Madison Square Garden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:01:35 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NOV 1st MSG Another Garden?!?!? Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your ticket needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group seats asap: 1. Julie ZWebb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:02:43 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni tour mailing lists! Joniphiles! Time's a wastin'! As with the West Coast tour, mailing lists have been set up to enable those attending the concerts to keep in touch with each other. One volunteer per group is needed to be the "list leader". Send a message to the respective address below and request to be added to the list. I'll keep everyone updated on the leader status for each group. Thanks! Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: madmission girl Subject: yay! Wow, this is so exciting...I can't wait to see Joni! I was supposed to go see this band Belle and Sebastian but they are playing 2 nights so I'll go the 2nd night. I must get my tickets asap though or else I'll have no cash!! Does anyone know when NYC tickets are going on sale? yippee... rachel "by this i am able in all of my travels to make these memories quit but tonite i clearly recall every little bit" -- patty griffin "you might think i hate you" -- carla bozulich - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: bday card (NJC) I like Howard's sig: "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth."                                          Roberto Clemente While I consider myself part of this list as long as I remain subscribed, I ask that any card that is to include member's names, NOT include mine. Thank you. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:44:07 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November Hey! You know what? I actually might go to this one! :-) :-) :-) > October 25, 1998 Chicago, Illinois--(Sunday) > United Center NP-Joni talking about dollies (Reprise show) ______________________________________________ ____ | | O=|o\/o|=O Mark Domyancich O=|o\/o|=O O=|o\/o|=O Harpua@revealed.net | || | \||/ www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |==| |__| home.revealed.net/Harpua |__| |__| ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:05:57 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pinheads at Rolling Stone Michael Y. writes: << Does it really make sense to take offense at someone else's opinion, and to insult them for having said opinion...? (...) I hope unnecessary name-calling will be held in check as we start to offer our own reviews of TTT, whether they carry one star or five.>> Does it make sense? I'm not sure, but I have certainly found some critics' written opinions of Joni's artistry to be lacking in intelligence and understanding -- and that, by definition, is what pinheadedness is. Under such circumstances, a negative response from an ardent admirer of an artist is not surprising. Criticism and counter-criticism is, in a sense, a war of words. Critics who live by the sword must be prepared to die by the sword, so to speak. I'm sure, given the time, Michael Paz could have drafted a more eloquent retort to the RS gibes, but some articles are not worth honoring with a reasoned response. Terms like "pinhead" and "jerk" are pretty benign when directed at an institution with the history and profile of RS, and not at any named individual. MP's comments were not meant to be ad hominem, I'm sure. RS has certainly been called worse, and they often print such epithets, directed at their own magazine, in their "letters" section. I'm confident that there won't be a rash of name-calling over differing opinions of TTT here on the JMDL. I was pretty hard on "Man From Mars" here when I first heard it. Nobody ripped me a new orafice over it. I am hoping that we can do away with forms of expressions that necessitate the tag, though. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:26:49 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni and Bob Tour - What to do? I'm considering traveling to one of the upcoming concerts but *only* if I can get *really good* seats! Can anyone share their experience dealing with the Bob Dylan Ticket Sales people with me please. I think I remember someone got some really good seats through them. Anyone else have great contacts for any of these venues? Also, Toronto may be a good location, if you have to fly anyway, for two reasons: 1. Joni has an affection for the country, and 2. The Canadian/U.S. dollar exchange rate is *very* attractive to those of us from the U.S.! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:48:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: TTT and alternative tunings I don't think it's the alternate tunings. After all, she used alt. tunings on Morning Morgantwon or Little Green or Circle Game, which are not precisely works that have to grow on one for one to appreciate them. And then she doesn't uses standard tuning on Harlem, and this is NOT Morning Morgantown precisely. My guess is that some songs are more "difficult" than others because one finds it harder to relate to them. I'm one of those "bastards" who've had TTT for a while now. I'm very pleased with some tracks and not so pleased with others. I can't relate so much to the Man from Mars thing. I couldn't care less for cats. [I'm a dog person, emotionally dependent and all that stuff attributed to dog people]. I find the song almost irritatingly maudlin and "difficult" in the sense that I don't "get it". But then it's just because I can't relate to that kind of loss. Other people might find MFM the easiest song to relate to and make it their favorite at once. Now Led Balloon, Harlem, TTT, those are masterworks...Only because I feel I understand them. However, the tunings don't have any bearing. To me tuning equals virtuoso chords made easy. That's Joni's enormous contribution to the lives of many of us. She created a school, an artistic movement that we guitar players were lucky enough to able to join and fed on. Even tunings that Joni used for only half a dozen songs can be explored and exploited ad infinitum. I have written more than 150 songs using only her GGDGBD tuning. [I wrote one yesterday, in fact.] By the way, they don't sound all the same, in case you were wondering. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:59:38 -0400 (EDT) From: pswmusic@interport.net (Esquizito) Subject: Re: Joni and Bob Tour - What to do? >1. Joni has an affection for the country, Is that so? Sorry, I couldn't resist - you know. :-) Esquizito www.interport.net/~pswmusic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:26:48 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: RE: Virus warning (NJC) I've yet to see any of these warnings turn out to be anything other than a hoax. You can read about them all at: http://www.kumite.com/myths/ By the way, the BUDDYLST.ZIP, or any other version of the Budweiser Frogs, is confirmed as a hoax. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:36:28 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: NOV 1st MSG I can get a flight to the NY gig but I need someone to run around with and floor to crash on somewhere for a couple of days. I don't ask much I know but I happen to know no one in the NY area. Let me know. Peace, CRaig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:40:49 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: Joni to tour with Bob Dylan in October & November At 03:44 PM 9/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hey! You know what? I actually might go to this one! :-) :-) :-) > >> October 25, 1998 Chicago, Illinois--(Sunday) >> United Center > Hmmmmmm .. I remember a certain Mark that was going to paint his toenails red and wear sandals if he could get to see Joni ..... ;-D Heather (and you thought I'd forget!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:44:32 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: BBC "In Concert" from Wembley Arena circa 1983/4 Apologies to the two JMDLers who contacted me about this, but due to my tardiness in replying and AOL's not-so-friendly email services I've lost your addresses. The period is "Wild things Run Fast " in terms of bands and albums, and includes the following songs "God must be a boogie man" "Big Yellow Taxi" "A case of You" "Carey" "Amelia" "You're so square" "Solid Love" "Chinese Cafe" "Woodstock" - (very brooding and atmospheric version) Line-up is Larry Klein (bs), Mike Landau (gtr) Russell Ferranti(? - kbds) Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:02:37 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Pinheads at Rolling Stone Over the years, Rolling Stone has been kinder to Joni than Joni has been to Rolling Stone! Okay, the old-lady-of-the-year piece was idiotic. But their reviewers have always taken Joni seriously even when they didn't give her four stars. And another thing; I wish the media would retire the myth (started by Joni) that Rolling Stone named HOSL "the worst album of the year." That bit of misinformation has made its way into the standard reference books in my library, and I'm tired of it. (but their review of the Garden show was still dumb). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:58:25 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: how do you stop On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Don Rowe wrote: > The one that *really* sent me into joni-psycho land was "How > Do You Stop", which for the first week after I bought TI, was programmed > to play every other song whenever I listened to the CD. Oh gee, dare I say this....after a few listens to TI, I began programming the CD to completely SKIP HDYS altogether! After a while i began to relax a bit and i don't grind my teeth so much over it now! ;-) helly-daredevil. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:14:05 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: new concert dates Somehow I missed the post that started this exciting thread. Where does this info about concert dates come from????? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 01:18:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: how do you stop I hadn't bought a Joni album for years, not since Mingus. Then sometime in 94 I saw the video of How Do You Stop. It was one of those rare occasions that I liked a song on first hearing. I had got into Joni in 95 when the same thing had happened-I had heard The Jungle Line on the radio and loved it str8 away. Interestingly, I then bought her earlier albums and realsied I had studied the lyrics from Court&Spark in English class at school in Albury, NSW, Oz in 74! As a result oif hearing How Do You Stop I went out and bought TI NRH CMIAR, DED and WTRF. That was fun having FIVE new albums in one go. TI remains one of my faves. Althought I wouldn't want to be without any of my Joni's, if I had to choose it would be: TI NRH DED HEJIRA STAS C&S BLUE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:30:05 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: NOV 1st MSG In a message dated 9/17/98 4:05:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << Another Garden?!?!? Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your ticket needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group seats asap: 1. Julie ZWebb >> 2. Ashara (but I would really like to get really *good* seats, and would be willing to pay for them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:01:30 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NOV 1st MSG In a message dated 9/17/98 4:02:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << Another Garden?!?!? Who thinks they can do Madison Square Garden on Nov 1st? Let your ticket needs be known on the jmdl asap so we can factor in the number of group seats asap: 1. Julie ZWebb >> Not certain whether I'll do the Indianapolis concert or the New york concert, but I guess I'm not going to wait for an Atlanta stop. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:54:21 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Meeting up with the UK JMDL (NJC) i'm really jealous. i wanna meet rob jordan and all the rest of you. i hope when david wright gets his head above water, he'll have a whole new group of jmdlers to hang with. >David Gray was soulful, and gets full marks for weaving together Mark Almond and Van Morrison on a cover of Soft Cell's "Say Hello, Wave Goodbye". which sounds like heaven. a major, major song in my life that could be beautifully reinterpreted. patrick np - moby - bring back my happiness - underground mix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:33:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Bob Tour - What to do? Phyliss asked: > Can anyone share their experience dealing with the Bob Dylan Ticket Sales people with me please. I >think I remember someone got some really good seats through them. Barbara (Barbearuh) can speak to this better than I can, but I recall everyone who ordered tix through BDTS got outstanding seats and were able to get seats in great (the best) sections not available through Ticketmaster. I recall hearing that BDTS gets the first best pick of seats to set aside. I would highly recommend going through them this go around. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:40:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Meeting up with the UK JMDL (Me, too content - NJC) Patrick wrote: > i'm really jealous. i wanna meet rob jordan and all the rest of you. i > hope when david wright gets his head above water, he'll have a whole new > group of jmdlers to hang with. Me, too!! Seriously, I was really happy to hear that some the UK jmdlers are starting to meet each other. They have always been such a presence here and I've always wished they weren't across that old pond so it would be easier to meet them. (Some of us over here are trying to talk a certain jmdler from Austria into hosting the first Euro Jonifest!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 02:53:06 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: HOSL as worst album (was Pinheads at RS) Hi Deb, I had a history professor in college that once offered his "wedge theory" which stated: "that which has been done cannot be undone." Well I never understood the "wedge" part but I got the point anyway :-) A search of "worst album" on all articles at JMDL.COM turns up 6 matches for HOSL, most quoting Joni herself, all different publications and dates. Once misinformation becomes that pervasive, its hard to fix it with a simple statement that goes 'years later it was revealed that Rolling Stone never called HOSL worst album, but rather worst album *title*' -Kenny (Les the new search engine works GREAT) ============================================================================= "Joni Mitchell is a Nervy Broad" Interview by Vic Garbarini (Musician Magazine, Jan. 1983) VG: With all the interest in African music over the last few years, including the use of the Burundi beat by bands like Bow Wow Wow and Adam & the Ants, I'm surprised you've never been given credit for introducing those elements back on The Hissing Of Summer Lawns. JM: The Burundi thing on "The Jungle Line"? They killed me for that. The worst album of the year. That project received an onslaught of negativity. People Magazine 12/16/85: Once the darling of flower children who sang her confessional, poetic songs in coffeehouses across the country, she discovered that her bright star had suddenly turned into an earthbound meteor in 1975, when she released a jazz-oriented album, The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Rolling Stone rated Hissing the worst album of the year. "If they had just said they'd hated it, I could have taken it," recalls Mitchell. "When other publications picked up the same attitude, I thought, 'I'll finish up this contract and quit making records.'" New York Daily News, 8/13/98: Rolling Stone called "Hissing" the worst album of the year. Later, it became recognized as the album that brought African rhythms to pop, way before Peter Gabriel or Sting's similar forays. Things got worse for Mitchell when she released the jazz album "Mingus" in 1979. "She lost her airplay from that," says Breese. Down Beat Magazine, 9/6/79: JM: Critically speaking, that record [HOSL] received a tremendous amount of unnecessary hostility. It was voted the worst album of the year by Rolling Stone, when in fact it was quite a progressive work. I felt it was unjustly attacked; it was an album that took a long time to digest. People had to digest me coming from a different position as a storyteller. Billboard, 12/9/95: A 17-year-old Prince, and Annie Lennox, then about to turn 21, felt similar developmental admiration for Joni's gold follow-up release from 1975, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns." But contemporary music critics were less charitable - Rolling Stone warranted that the world beat-anticipating Burundi drummers on "The Jungle Line" and modified jazz-waltz gems like the title track, "In France They Kiss On Main Street," "Edith And The Kingpin," and the lovely "The Boho Dance" somehow added up to the worst album of the year. ================================================================================ On 9/17/98 4:02PM, "Deb Messling" wrote: And another thing; I wish the media would retire the myth (started by Joni) that Rolling Stone named HOSL "the worst album of the year." That bit of misinformation has made its way into the standard reference books in my library, and I'm tired of it. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #359 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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