From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #356 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 356 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Zen guitar [M.Russell@iaea.org] Mr. Eastwood, today's the day. [Wally Breese ] Bithday card/map [Howard Wright ] JM on the cover of BC TVWeek [Robert Holliston ] Re: Bithday card/map [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Bithday card/map [Howard Wright ] (no subject) [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: Bithday card/map [Marsha ] Re: B-day idea ; BINGO! ["Daugherty, Stephen" ] Joni on Chitown radio?? [Howard Motyl ] Re: Joni on Chitown radio?? [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Tapes and Pics [michael paz ] ani on joni [madmission girl ] Re: yet newer song!(NCSN, NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni on the radio-Seattle [Cblakey5@aol.com] Birthday Card ["Ken (Slarty)" ] From There To Here 1st impressions ["Don Rowe" ] Today in Joni History - September 16 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Today in Joni History - September 16 [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Stravinsky(LJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Players [Craig Harris ] TTT and alternative tunings... [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Joni Birthday! [Kate & CJ ] Re: Players [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Players [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Players [Craig Harris ] NJC internet discussion ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Stravinsky(LJC) [heather ] Re: Players [Craig Harris (by way of Mark Domyancich)] NJC - Women's History Month [heather ] Re: more austalorps NJC [Helen Gill ] Re: Players [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Colorado kids (NJC) [Helen Gill ] Re: Players [Mark or Travis ] Colorado kids [Sue ] Re: Birthday map [Helen Gill ] Re: CBC show [Helen Gill ] Re: BiRthday card/map [Helen Gill ] Re: Colorado Kiddies For Deposits ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: (NJC) Colorado Kiddies For Deposits [LRFye@aol.com] Re: BiRthday card/map [Helen Gill ] FW: room of the living... [trxschwa ] HTML e-mail [Les Irvin ] Re: Birthday map ["Kakki" ] Re: Birthday map ["Patricia O'Connor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:26:26 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Zen guitar Chilihead2@aol.com wrote: > Also, I am interested in any suggestions > on beginning guitar playing and how to get good fast. Learn Joni's tunings and chord shapes! Play around with them. Sue Mac's, Howard's, Mark's and my guitar pages all have transcriptions of Joni's songs. Pick something like Sweet Bird and work with the tab - tune your guitar according to the tab and use a capo if necessary to bring your guitar into the key Joni uses on the recording and ***play along with her*** - just listen, listen, listen (you probably know it all by heart anyway, but it still helps to listen and play along with her - I do this all the time when I'm learning Joni's songs and even occasionally when I'm reviewing stuff I've already learned). Sue Mac once said something like "I never felt like I could play the guitar very well until I started using Joni's tunings and playing her songs. It's like someone waved a magic wand and I could play really beautifully." I think this is so true - that you can make beautiful sounds on the guitar with Joni's tunings and chord shapes almost immediately, even if you don't know very much about playing. Playing Joni's music is really not very hard. I wish I had known in Boston that you were interested and I would have sat down with you and got you started! Please let me know if you have any specific questions about playing guitar and I will try to help you, okay? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 02:13:22 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Mr. Eastwood, today's the day. Hi everyone, In stores today is "From There To Here," the debut CD from bass player Kyle Eastwood, son of actor-director Clint Eastwood. Joni's ex, Larry Klein, produced the album, with guest vocalists Julia Fordham, Diana King, and Joni herself turning in a performance on one song each. Joni does a soulful version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man," which is similar to the live version she did at the TV taping in Burbank or at "A Day in the Garden," but with a few inflections and lines which are different. For example, on record Joni says: "I ain't gonna let it sweat me none" instead of "I ain't gonna let it get to me." It's very cool! In the album thank you's, Eastwood says: "To Joni, for that 'voice!'" And In a recent interview, he also said: "That was really something. Getting Joni on there. I was originally going to do an instrumental version of the song, but..." Read the rest of what Kyle said, and view his album cover at this address/URL: http://www.JoniMitchell.com/jonihome.html#Upcoming Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:34:08 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Bithday card/map >> Maybe we could send her a globe with little Joni pins placed everywhere >> where a JMDL member is. > >I think the birthday globe idea is the best so far. >this way Joni gets all our >appreciation in one hit and she also gets to see how far her fans stretch >out to! Maybe then she'd do a world tour! I haven't kept up with all the card ideas, but I really like this one - send her a map of the world with a red dot marking the home town of every JMDLer. We could think up an appropriate title for the card/map ... something like: Places you are always welcome with a guitar and a song! or Some of the places in the world that have been touched by your music Also, this one would be relatively easy to coordinate. The idea of each of us sending in photos, or even video clips may be nice, but actually putting something like that together would take some work. A map, with markers for each of us, and a collection of birthday wishes inside sounds good to me! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: JM on the cover of BC TVWeek All it says inside is: THE JONI MITCHELL SPECIAL - CBC Canada's queen of folk and rock performs her greatest hits from her newest album, Taming The Tiger, with special appearances by Graham Nash and Rosanna Arquette. (Premiere date TBA.) However, the cover is graced with a full-page, color photo of Joni (credited to Gregory Heisler; it may date back to 1994). Another example of Reprise hard at work??? Looking forward to this special! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:43:34 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Bithday card/map In a message dated 9/15/98 5:35:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk writes: << Maybe we could send her a globe with little Joni pins placed everywhere >> where a JMDL member is. >I think the birthday globe idea is the best so far. I haven't kept up with all the card ideas, but I really like this one - send her a map of the world with a red dot marking the home town of every JMDLer. We could think up an appropriate title for the card/map ... something like: Places you are always welcome with a guitar and a song! >> On the surface, I like the idea, too. But when you put 500 red dots on a map of the world, with a conservative estimate of 20 percent of them duplicating sites, the ultimate effect would not be very impressive. It would, for the most part, look like a vast wasteland with a few red dots, not the message we would hope to present. Not even 5,000 red dots would give her the impression you are seeking, though it might come close. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:55:58 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Bithday card/map On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/15/98 5:35:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk > writes: > > << Maybe we could send her a globe with little Joni pins placed everywhere > >> where a JMDL member is. > > I haven't kept up with all the card ideas, but I really like this one - > send her a map of the world with a red dot marking the home town of every > JMDLer. We could think up an appropriate title for the card/map ... > something like: > Places you are always welcome with a guitar and a song! >> > > On the surface, I like the idea, too. > But when you put 500 red dots on a map of the world, with a conservative > estimate of 20 percent of them duplicating sites, the ultimate effect would > not be very impressive. It would, for the most part, look like a vast > wasteland with a few red dots, not the message we would hope to present. > > Paul I > I'm not sure - it depends how big the map and the dots are! If you had a map that was about 20 x 30 cm (8 x 11 inches), and pea-size dots, I don't think the effect would be too much of an empty space. True - some areas (parts of the states and Canada) will be well represented, whereas others (South America? Asia? ) may only have a few lonely dots - but overall I think it could give a nice representation of folks from all over the world who enjoy her music. If the title for the card was something along the lines of: "Just some of the places that have been touched by your music" then you make it clear that this is just a fraction of her audience. I guess she knows she has many fans from all over, but to actually see a map like that might be nice. Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Formula music, girly guile Genuine junk food for juveniles Up and down the dial Mercenary style - Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:27:58 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Hi, I've decided to take advantage of this time that I have "off" for my hardward installation because who knows how often I'll be posting when I'm "back" to work (pun intended). But you guys have become good friends so I am sure I will still be posting. I'll just have to stop doing some other things. I made a poster to hang in the front window yesterday that said, "Impeach Mr. Clinton and we voted for him twice". Mrs. Chili made me take it down. She said that our neighborhood is too conservative. Now I have had a rainbow flag hanging in the front picture window since pride day in NYC. Still I acquiesced and took it down. In any event, I wanted to vote for Hillary both times. Marian, Mark, and PJ offered to help me learn the guitar. I can still hear Marian's Cotton Avenue. What great playing! Looks like I'll just have to go to Vienna for my music lessons. Couldn't think of a more appropriate city----"if you got a place like that to go you just have to go there". Mrs. Chili is painting another sunflower painting. I hope one of these days she doesn't hand me her ear and say "Guard this object carefully." In any event, she's off to work and I'm left with a kitchen and a garden full of vegetables. Help!!! Where's Martha Stewart when you need her! Actually, I prefer the two fat ladies even if they aren't vegetarians. - -Chili :-) - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:08:44 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Bithday card/map Howard Wright wrote: > "Just some of the places that have been touched by your music" > > then you make it clear that this is just a fraction of her audience. I > guess she knows she has many fans from all over, but to actually see a map > like that might be nice. But then I think of Joni's "world view" with these immortal words (sort of): "And you couldn't see a city on that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway or [jimdlers] least of all..." Marsha, gettin' my TTT picture to her one way or another (as self-indulgent as that is...I KNOW Joan likes self portraits and parodies...and I don't plan on bein' no lil' ol' dot on a map) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:37:31 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: Re: B-day idea ; BINGO! Way to go PMcfad! Super idea!! Of course..polio and a portrait. RIGHT up her alley of appreciation! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:56:43 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: those queer titles NJC Julie Z. Webb wrote: > if any of our gay friends recommend it: "Queer at 13" Lesbian and >Gay > writers recall Seventh Grade. What a cool concept for a book.. >Also, Boys Like Us, a book by well known adult gay writers who tell >their coming out >stories. Their pictures as young men appear with each story, and a >compilation of >contemporary photos at the end of the book. >Jerry Thanks for posting these books. I started a video documentary a couple of years ago called "I Was a Teenage Homosexual" and did six or seven interviews but never finished it. The interviews are still good--it is people talking about growing up gay--but other things got in the way. At the time, it seemed like a herculean task. And I needed more interviews. And now, I think I need some famous people to tell their stories. But I will take a look at these books--the way I shot the interviews was to have a photo of the interviewee as a teenager projected behind them as they spoke. Sounds a bit like the book . . . Howard - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions 16101 South 108th Avenue Orland Park, IL 60462 708-873-3190 708.873.3177 Fax http://www.mpimedia.com "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:05:46 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Joni on Chitown radio?? Any Chicagoans know if new Joni, TTT Joni is on a Chicago radio playlist? I'd like to hear the music, but I am also an Arbitron diary person this week (Arbitron is to Radio what Neilsen Ratings are to TV) and would love to give that station my time if we know they are playing the goddess. XRT? Q101??!!? NUA? Please inform. Howard "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 15:27:55 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni on Chitown radio?? Well 9/18 is rapidly approaching as is Joni's next public performance: Joni Mitchell Headlines Old Town School of Folk Music Grand Opening Benefit Concert at School's New Home -- The Chicago Folk Center, Friday Evening, September 18. A while back I think someone from Chicago mentioned that a local radio station is sponsoring (or is otherwise involved) with this event. Is this true? And does it mean that this concert might be simulcast...and tapeable (sp?) from FM radio? -Kenny getting his blanks and postage ready ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:01:47 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Tapes and Pics Hello All (and especially Les)- Thanx Les for sending tape tree 7 whih I am in the process of listening to. What a great day to be able to listen to some Joni stuff I haven't heard before while browsing thru some new pics that Ashara sent me of the party. Some great moments here. The globe is a new twist that is very intriguing. There could be a few areas that are really congested, but it's an interesting idea. What creative people we have on this list. Greetings to all and have a great week. Love, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: madmission girl Subject: ani on joni From the Ani DiFranco newsletter... REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL: #1: Ani's interview with/appreciation piece on Joni Mitchell and feminism in the Sunday magazine section of The Los Angeles Times, on the stands September 20. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:34:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: yet newer song!(NCSN, NJC) From: "James Sleep" Subject: Re: yet newer song!(NCSN, NJC) Hi Jay, >thanks for alluding to pablo neruda..... Thanks for the thoughts concerning values. Here are some more. GOD'S GRANDEUR by Gerard Manley Hopkins The world is charged with the grandeur of God. It will flame out, like shining from shook foil; It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod? Generations have trod, have trod, have trod; And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil; And wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod. And, for all this, nature is never spent; There lives the dearest freshness deep down things; And though the last lights off the black West went Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs - Because the Holy Ghost over the bent World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:50:30 EDT From: Cblakey5@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on the radio-Seattle Yesterday on KMTT, the afternoon DJ played Crazy Cries. After it was done, he remarked that at first he wasn't too fond of the song but now he has come to like it quite a bit. Also heard it again on my way home from work. Anybody can e-mail KMTT.com and encourage them to play the song. They take requests from all as they can be accessed by anyone with Realplayer. Let's bombared them with requests!!!!! Carole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:55:57 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Birthday Card I just want to reiterate what Les said in an earlier post. Before we can progress to the next level of the birthday card we need to form a committee as I don't want to be making all the decisions alone, this year. Last year it was a necessity because of lack of time but since this year it will be a more of a group effort I need at least 3 more people to join the committee. Until then the card is at a standstill. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:16:40 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: From There To Here 1st impressions Listening to the utterly delightful Kyle Eastwood release. In this era of fashion-ad swing nostalgia (Cherry Poppin'Daddys, Brian Setzer Orchestra, et al), it's really refreshing to here some genuine loving, careful arranging -- dished out by some players with real concept. Larry's done a fantastic job of staying out of the way and letting the fantastic line-up just play ... in fact, the only thing that really stands out as packaged is the Diana King number, which seems slightly out of place. Diana's voice is great, don't get me wrong, but "Why Can't We Live Together" seems self-consciously "poppy" against the backdrop of the rest of the CD. Joni and Julia are both dynamite, and I think "Trouble Man" will be just the shot in the arm I'll need to get me through the next 2 weeks. JMDL, go get this one for the whole thing, not just the Joni bits ... it does not disappoint! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:16:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 16 1987: Joni attends a Prince concert 1996: On today’s episode of the CBS-TV series "Chicago Hope," Joni's song "A Case Of You" was featured prominently. Dr. Diane Grad (played by actress Jayne Brook) sang it to a small child being operated on by Dr. Billy Kronk (played by actor Peter Berg). Billy asked Diane which Joni Mitchell album the song was from, and she told him Blue. "Depressing" he said. "Good" but "chick music" he called it. She told him that she had taken the album to show and tell in fifth grade. "Serious child, weren't you" he commented. At the end of the episode as Diane and Billy kiss goodbye, a verse from Joni's original version was heard. "Oh, I could drink a case of you and still be on my feet." From Wally's bio page: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Rewards.html 1997: The Detroit News publishes an article entitled "Song takes writer to Joni Mitchell's old Detroit apartment". The author writes "I was surprised to learn that she had moved to Detroit in 1965 after marrying local folk singer Chuck Mitchell. Though successful musically, the young couple separated only a year-and-a-half later. I wondered where they had lived and if the building still existed. It seemed like a fun idea to track down Joni's old haunts." Follow the quest at http://www.jonimitchell.com/DetroitNews997.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:24:53 -0400 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Stravinsky(LJC) Mark in Seattle wrote: Joni has cited Stravinsky as an influence and although I've heard 'Rites of Spring' every time I've seen 'Fantasia' I never thought of it in relation to Joni's music. But listening to 'Firebird Suite' Saturday night ...I started thinking about it and I thought I could see some connection. Maybe it's in the way she weaves various solo instruments into her musical tapestries as in 'Down to You'. It seemed that 'Firebird' used a lot of solos, individual voices making the musical statements rather than a whole section or orchestra. Of course the end of the piece uses the whole orchestra and is so grand and impressive. I'm not a musician so I'm struggling here. Would anyone else care to elaborate on this? I'm not comfortable saying too much about something I don't know that much about. You've got a pretty good handle on it to me Mark. Joni's not the only artist of the "rock era" to refrence Stravinsky, most notably Frank Zappa and Yes(who have used the finale of the afore mentioned 'Firebird Suite' as the intro music to their live shows since around 1972) Stravinsky has been touted as one of the grandfathers of pop music and one of the main reasons is the very one you've noted here. Your also right on target noticing how using one or a few instruments for the main melodic themes make the full orchestra passages that much stronger. Another good Stravinsky piece to check out for Joni comparison would be 'Persephone' or 'Petrouchka'. John~ NP "Mary Jane" - Atlantis Morescode ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:35:59 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - September 16 Yea! I remember watching this one! I wasn't quite into Joni at the time, but I could have sworn she sang something about drinking blood! :) NP-Sex Kills >1996: On todayís episode of the CBS-TV series "Chicago Hope," Joni's song >"A Case Of You" was featured prominently. Dr. Diane Grad (played by actress >Jayne Brook) sang it to a small child being operated on by Dr. Billy Kronk >(played by actor Peter Berg). Billy asked Diane which Joni Mitchell album >the song was from, and she told him Blue. "Depressing" he said. "Good" but >"chick music" he called it. She told him that she had taken the album to >show and tell in fifth grade. "Serious child, weren't you" he commented. At >the end of the episode as Diane and Billy kiss goodbye, a verse from Joni's >original version was heard. "Oh, I could drink a case of you and still be >on my feet." ______________________________________________ ____ | | O=|o\/o|=O Mark Domyancich O=|o\/o|=O O=|o\/o|=O Harpua@revealed.net | || | \||/ www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |==| |__| home.revealed.net/Harpua |__| |__| ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:08:07 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: finding a joni treasure I found an album, Visions, by Paul Horn, the wonderful flute player who performed in the Taj Mahal in the early 70s. He covers two Joni tunes, Blue and Chelsea Morning. On Blue, Joni plays piano and sings a kind of scat version of the lyrics while Horn plays flute. What a find! Anybody know it? DK &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& "Ring the bells that still can ring. Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack in everything: that's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:14:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Stravinsky(LJC) In a message dated 9/15/98 4:29:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jml@amweaver.com writes: << Joni's not the only artist of the "rock era" to refrence Stravinsky, most notably Frank Zappa and Yes(who have used the finale of the afore mentioned 'Firebird Suite' as the intro music to their live shows since around 1972) Stravinsky has been touted as one of the grandfathers of pop music and one of the main reasons is the very one you've noted here. >> And what about "Inner Mounting Flame," the 1972 debut album of the Mahavishnu Orchestra? I think that is very heavily influenced by Stravinsky,along with jazz and the Eastern music that Mahavishnu John McLaughlin had embraced. I don't recall their second album quite as clearly, but I think it might have been "Firebirds" or something like that? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:24:24 -0700 From: Craig Harris Subject: Players Hi All Just to get a feel for the All Star Jonifest House Band, is there a kit drummer in the house ?? I know theres some good percussionists around here. How about a sax player ?? I KNOW we have some good keyboardists. I think it would be very slick indeed to put together a rhythm section to back all these talented vocalists and guitarists. For those that don't know (since I can't seem to show up for all these wonderful gatherings), I'm an electric bassist, and love to cover Jaco stuff !! (and Larry stuff ) and whatever Joan. We should get a list of Artists and the songs they want to perform together so we can loosely organize the music part of the event. Someone is probably way ahead of me on this, but thought I'd toss it out here. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:33:58 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: TTT and alternative tunings... thanks to one lovely felon on this list who managed to tape me a contraband copy of TTT, prerelease date (thanks!) i have been able to listen to this new work for the past couple of weeks now. (i know, i know, many many of you have been indulging in this secret for some time now...but none of you told me, you bastards!!!) as with many of joni's other albums, my initial response was not altogether positive. they all sounded too much alike, with that spacey, celestial sounding guitar-synth thing she has going on here...but that was petty. i just did not respond to the album. but it was joni, after all, so i kept playing it in my car, to and from work. after about 3 days i caught myself humming one of the songs at the kitchen sink. ("nice...kitty kitty" i am embarrassed to say...) after a couple more days i decided i seriously LOVED several cuts. a few more days and i now think this disc is an out of the park home run (except for the "big boo hoo" which i charitably will assume she wrote while experiencing a small, unobtrusive stroke!!! talk about an abberation!) ok. ok. here is my question list. this initial lack of a positive response is not new to this album, not for me and not for many other joniphiles. i am not a musician, so this may be a dumb question (i'm getting to it!) but could this have something to do with the alternative tunings? could it be that those tunings produce work that is just atypical enough that it requires some acclimation before it can really be heard? am i asking this clearly enough? maybe one of our esteemed musicians (michael paz...roberto....claud....marian....many many more) could tell me what they think. i know that joni's music does not have the usual hooks and her melodies take a few listens before they can be perceived, let alone appreciated, but it seems more than that, and i wondered if it might not have something to do with the tunings. speaking of TTT, i have yet to see anyone go beserk over the cut "keep in touch". this is the most beautiful love song i think joni has ever written! passionate and articulate and eloquent. who is this donald guy that he inspires such impassioned lyrics? and is any of his music available on cd? the song is in a league with jericho from DJRD - it is gorgeous and i am knocked out by it. also in love with "love puts on a new face". for those of you who have not yet heard the cd, hang in there. it is coming soon and it is worth the wait. if at first, you don't respond.... love ric, who is looking forward to saturday in new yawk!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:49:14 -0400 From: Kate & CJ Subject: Re: Joni Birthday! OK here's what we do (after we all buy TTT at full price the first week while encouraging everyone we know to do the same)...we all chip in for a big SURPRISE birthday party...invitation only of course...where we take pictures of everyone on the list, they'll all be there because we'll all vow to get every last one of us there somehow, someway...we wear our JMDL gear...compliment our heroine...get along really well whist dancing, drinking, reveling and general merry making continues all day and night...eating Winn Dixie cold cuts...or warm cuts or whatever we like...I could get carried away so why not think big...why not? Wondering in the Poconos, CJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:56:21 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Players I would rather perform solo (No wise cracks, Ric! :) At 4:24 PM -0700 9/15/98, Craig Harris wrote: >Hi All > Just to get a feel for the All Star Jonifest House Band, is there a kit >drummer in the house ?? I know theres some good percussionists around >here. How about a sax player ?? I KNOW we have some good keyboardists. I >think it would be very slick indeed to put together a rhythm section to >back all these talented vocalists and guitarists. For those that don't know >(since I can't seem to show up for all these wonderful gatherings), I'm an >electric bassist, and love to cover Jaco stuff !! (and Larry stuff ) and >whatever Joan. We should get a list of Artists and the songs they want to >perform together so we can loosely organize the music part of the event. >Someone is probably way ahead of me on this, but thought I'd toss it out >here. ______________________________________________ ____ | | O=|o\/o|=O Mark Domyancich O=|o\/o|=O O=|o\/o|=O Harpua@revealed.net | || | \||/ www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |==| |__| home.revealed.net/Harpua |__| |__| ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:00:43 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Players In a message dated 9/15/98 7:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harris@ixpres.com writes: << is there a kit drummer in the house ? >> I can play some very basic stuff. Nothing fancy- boom ta ta boom ta boom ta ta boom Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:14:37 -0700 From: Craig Harris Subject: Re: Players Let me add to the line below an important after-thought that Mark brought to my attention..........all these talented vocalists and guitarists who would prefer accompaniment. >I think it would be very slick indeed to put together a rhythm section to >back all these talented vocalists and guitarists. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:49:42 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: NJC internet discussion In an effort to minimize a possible lengthy NJC thread, I am facilitating an "off list" discussion with a handful of members from the JMDL concerning the recent research findings linking depression with internet use. Some of us are poo-pooing this. If you would like "in" on the discussion, please email me privately----and I will begin emailing you these posts and add you to my 'Cc' bank. JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:48:50 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: Stravinsky(LJC) At 05:14 PM 9/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >And what about "Inner Mounting Flame," the 1972 debut album of the Mahavishnu >Orchestra? I think that is very heavily influenced by Stravinsky,along with >jazz and the Eastern music that Mahavishnu John McLaughlin had embraced. > I don't recall their second album quite as clearly, but I think it might have >been "Firebirds" or something like that? "Birds of Fire" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:52:30 -0500 From: Craig Harris (by way of Mark Domyancich) Subject: Re: Players I think Craig meant to send this me as well as the list. NP-Barangrill - ----------- Let me add to the line below an important after-thought that Mark brought to my attention..........all these talented vocalists and guitarists who would prefer accompaniment. >I think it would be very slick indeed to put together a rhythm section to >back all these talented vocalists and guitarists. - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:44:06 -0400 From: heather Subject: NJC - Women's History Month Hello friends..... The enclosed Maya Angelou poem is being circulated to celebrate Women's History Month. I just wanted to share it with you all. Phenomenal Woman by Maya Angelou Pretty women wonder where my secret lies I'm not cute or built to suit a model's fashion size But when I start to tell them They think I'm telling lies. I say It's in the reach of my arms The span of my hips The stride of my steps The curl of my lips. I'm a woman Phenomenally Phenomenal woman That's me. I walk into a room Just as cool as you please And to a man The fellows stand or Fall down on their knees Then they swarm around me A hive of honey bees. I say It's the fire in my eyes And the flash of my teeth The swing of my waist And the joy in my feet. I'm a woman Phenomenally Phenomenal woman That's me. Men themselves have wondered What they see in me They try so much But they can't touch My inner mystery. When I try to show them They say they still can't see. I say It's in the arch of my back The sun of my smile The ride of my breasts The grace of my style. I'm a woman Phenomenally Phenomenal woman That's me. Now you understand Just why my head's not bowed I don't shout or jump about Or have to talk real loud When you see me passing It ought to make you proud. I say It's in the click of my heels The bend of my hair The palm of my hand The need for my care. 'Cause I'm a woman Phenomenally Phenomenal woman That's me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:24:44 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: more austalorps NJC > From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson > and being Aussie and our dollar so low, > theoretically I and other OzJmdlers would have to contribute 'more' to > equal the others. MORE from down here? do they ever stop popping up? and where in Australia are these two from? could level the score to Melb. 2 Sydney 2 ??? We're taking over! helly. www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/2859 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:25:47 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Players In a message dated 98-09-15 19:57:45 EDT, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << I would rather perform solo (No wise cracks, Ric! :) >> wise cracks? me? whatever do you mean? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:25:51 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Colorado kids (NJC) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Terry, mother if a very hyperactive 10 yr old Hyperactive ten year olds are my FAVOURITE! ;-) helly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:36:45 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Players > At 4:24 PM -0700 9/15/98, Craig Harris wrote: We should get a list of Artists and the songs they want to > >perform together so we can loosely organize the music part of the event. Wouldn't this kill some of the spontaneity? I don't play an instrument but I love to sing and I would be very intimidated if things get too structured or polished. After hearing all the wonderful stories about Boston & Pittsburgh one of the things I'm hoping will happen in Colorado is some kick-back & sing-along kinda fun. I appreciate the need for a structure but I would hope we keep some spontaneity & fun in the mix. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Colorado kids Dear listers, After reading the recent comments on whether or not to bring children to ColoradoFest I have to offer my services as part-time childcare provider for those who wish to make this a family event. I am a licensed intensive foster care specialist and elementary computer education teacher. I have worked with children of all kinds, and not just in the eight to three setting. I would love to spend time getting to know lister's children! Having the ColoradoFest be a family event is really something good to consider. For one thing I feel it is in Joni's best interest to have her music live on through our children. The other is that my husband has driven me to both Pittsburgh and the Garden. In PGH he was banished due to lack of space. At the Garden he was welcomed and is now featured by the "Woodstockmobile" on the JMDL garden page. He loved meeting all of the listers and realized that my so-called obsession with Joni just might be legitimate. If we give our SOs and children a chance to participate in this wonderful event, they might understand why we spend so much time in front of the "box". We can still be allowed to enjoy our fellowship, but will have the luxury of sharing it with family. I am planning on being there with the whole fam-damily, and hope that other listers will feel the same. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:42:21 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Birthday map yep, the map one is definately the most practical and Howard's ideas of red dots and a title and birthday wishes inside really seem best for Joni IMO. but if anyone disagrees.....? Perhaps on the back of the map there could simply be listed each member under country/city/(town?) and a small sentence/greeting each...just one line kind of thing. Being a youngen myself perhaps age might interest her? or maybe not...(I'm expecting an onslaught for that one!) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Howard Wright wrote:(snipped a bit) > send her a map of the world with a red dot marking the home town of every > JMDLer. We could think up an appropriate title for the card/map ... > > Also, this one would be relatively easy to coordinate. The idea of each of > us sending in photos, or even video clips may be nice, but actually > putting something like that together would take some work. A map, with > markers for each of us, and a collection of birthday wishes inside sounds > good to me! > > Howard > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:46:10 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: CBC show On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Robert Holliston wrote: > THE JONI MITCHELL SPECIAL - CBC > Canada's queen of folk and rock performs her greatest hits from her newest > album, Taming The Tiger, with special appearances by Graham Nash and > Rosanna Arquette. > (Premiere date TBA.) Would anyone be willing to donate a copy to me if/when this airs? maybe? helen. stuck in Australia where our 6 stations don't know the meaning of JONI! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:55:14 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: BiRthday card/map On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > But when you put 500 red dots on a map of the world, with a conservative > estimate of 20 percent of them duplicating sites, the ultimate effect would > not be very impressive. It would, for the most part, look like a vast > wasteland with a few red dots, not the message we would hope to present. > Not even 5,000 red dots would give her the impression you are seeking, > though it might come close. But we are not trying to represent the entire Joni fanbase, just the JMDL, if she knew it was just us she mightn't be expecting such vast numbers...if she would expect something like that at all. Helen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:34:22 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Colorado Kiddies For Deposits Helen's message inspired me to add my 5 cents. For what it is worth....Yesterday a child came out to wonder... and the seasons they go round and round....we can't return we can only look behind from where we came.... What better way to remain true to the spirit of creativity and the expression of our own individualism, the essence of Joni IMHO, than to surround yourself with children. Songs to Aging children come, aging children, I am one. Claud P.S. Sorry to say that I can't plan this far in advance and don't think I'll make it to Jonifest 99. But then again - never say never. >...but I cannot see how you could even imagine a fun camping expedition WITHOUT INVITING THE KIDDIES! please, what is a campsite without lots of grubby little wormies running around? they'd love it! any JMDLer who leaves a child at home should be sentenced to clean up duty at the end! anyway, it could be a chance to ingrain Joni into their minds early on, nothing wrong with a head start! helly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:52:15 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: finding a joni treasure Never heard of it! Sounds very interesting - maybe something for a future tape tree! Claud - -----Original Message----- From: Debra Kaufman To: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:13 PM Subject: Re: finding a joni treasure >I found an album, Visions, by Paul Horn, the wonderful flute player who >performed in the Taj Mahal in the early 70s. He covers two Joni tunes, Blue >and Chelsea Morning. On Blue, Joni plays piano and sings a kind of scat >version of the lyrics while Horn plays flute. What a find! Anybody know it? >DK > >&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& >"Ring the bells that still can ring. >Forget your perfect offering. >There is a crack, a crack in everything: >that's how the light gets in." > Leonard Cohen > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:57:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: TTT and alternative tunings... Ric wrote: > ok. ok. here is my question list. this initial lack of a positive response > is not new to this album, not for me and not for many other joniphiles. i am > not a musician, so this may be a dumb question (i'm getting to it!) but could > this have something to do with the alternative tunings? could it be that > those tunings produce work that is just atypical enough that it requires some > acclimation before it can really be heard? I think you are hitting on the reason why Joni's music tends to not immediately grab one and takes many listens to "get" it. She not only does it to us with the alternative tunings, but also, in her later and recent work, with the layers of unique syncopation and tempo rubato (irregular time) running throughout each song. No, she certainly does not follow the standard formula. Some, at a loss for an accurate description, call her musical evolution "jazzy" because her music has many of those elements, but this is still inaccurate. She is completely a genre onto herself and a true original. I always thought Joni was brilliant but over 20 years ago, when the music itself became more and more unique, I accepted it as fact that she will always be way ahead of her time. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:25:33 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Colorado Kiddies For Deposits Claud wrote: > Yesterday a child came out to wonder... and the seasons they go round and round....we can't return we can only look behind from where we came.... > > What better way to remain true to the spirit of creativity and the expression of our own individualism, the essence of Joni IMHO, than to surround yourself with children. Beautiful sentiment, Claud! I keep having these visions of us teaching the kids some of Joni's songs, and of all of us together around some campfire, singing ... passing Joni's music along to our friends' wonderful children, to carry into the future ... Feeling most mushy, Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:28:20 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: BiRthday card/map On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: (snip) > I still think this idea misses the point -- that we are no > longer merely isolated dots, that because of her and her music we have > CONNECTED and shared our love for her. I don't think this idea carries this > message or anything close to it. > Paul I Thankyou Paul, you have given us the idea we need! CONNECT THE DOTS!!!! hurray! title? Just a few of the connections you've help create?????? or something like that? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:28:37 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: FW: room of the living... i've been talking about this little club in my nabeof the living... The Living Room 84 Stanton St. New York, NY 10002 212.533.7235 Don't Forget... Thu 9/17 - 8:30 The Living Room Series presents "Dylan - Songs of the 60's" w/ Joy Askew, Broadside Electric, Jesse Harris, Jenifer Jackson, Richard Julian, Dayna Kurtz, Joe Mendelson, Josh Neratin, David Poe, Dom Richards, Terre Roche, Steve Rosenthal, Brian Seymour, Andrew Vladek and Jimmy Zhivago This is the first of a series of songwriter evenings to include Woody Guthrie, Joni Mitchel, Leonard Cohen and who knows! joy askew, i've seen live once and loved, and i'm absolutely worshiping the 6 song ep i bought. david poe, saw in an atrocious opening set for siberry, recent free ep worth every cent, perhaps more... (yeah, i'll give him another chance) i wanna hear the joni evening! Sat 9/26 - 8:30 Joy Askew i'm there... kenny, kay, other ny'ers...? patrick brian asawa - the dark is my delight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:29:47 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: HTML e-mail Joniphiles - It appears that the majordomo system does not take kindly to messages sent from those of you who have your software set to HTML mail. It bounces every one of them. So, if you find your messages continue to bounce through me, check your software settings to see if you can turn HTML off before posting to the list. Thanks! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:16:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Birthday map Helen wrote: > yep, the map one is definately the most practical and Howard's ideas of > red dots and a title and birthday wishes inside really seem best for Joni > IMO. but if anyone disagrees.....? I love maps and my first high school job was working for Rand McNally. I like the idea but also somehow feel it is not entirely aesthetic enough for our Joni. I'm having these visions of super jumbo red dots for the major metro areas like New York and L.A. (and maybe Melbourne at the rate we're going!). But it seems like it could come across a bit too much like a sterile corporate briefing chart. Maybe if the world map was an original painting ? I like Kate's idea of each sending a personalized postcard or photo to be compiled in an album. Even if Joni didn't take the time to read every single card, it would be visually interesting to her and more personalized than just the map. We could still incorporate the map idea as a front cover for the album. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:53:12 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Birthday map >yep, the map one is definately the most practical and Howard's ideas of >red dots and a title and birthday wishes inside really seem best for Joni >IMO. but if anyone disagrees.....? If the map was digital rather than printed each "pin" could be a link to each well-wisher's personal page. This format can do it all, images, video, sound, the written word. This after all is a cyber-community. I know, I know... Joni says she doesn't have a computer. So, we buy her one. Pre-load the inter-active birthday "card"...plug it in and voila. Maybe while we're at it we throw in an internet connection and subscription to the JMDL? POC p.s. Hi Helen ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #356 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?