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JMDL Digest Sunday, September 13 1998 Volume 03 : Number 353
The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re:Birthday Card [Skin Deep ]
Re: Birthday Card ["Ken (Slarty)" ]
Re: The jig is up NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com]
Re: Birthday Card [Denisongs@aol.com]
Re: Birthday Card [Marsha ]
Re: Birthday Card [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
RE: Birthday Card [Michael Yarbrough ]
TTT & Bev [catman ]
tennis (njc) [trxschwa ]
joni in the nytimes (jc) [trxschwa ]
[Fwd: Re: greetings] [Jerry Notaro ]
NJC, Colin, politics, books, movies ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
Re: Birthday Card [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Birthday Card [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
Re: Birthday Card ["Kakki" ]
Re: Birthday Card [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
re: Joni's b-day card [Kate Tarasenko ]
Fwd: Birthday Card response (JC) [Charstarl@aol.com]
Re: Colorado Questions For Deposits & ? [Charstarl@aol.com]
joni birthday sack [Seanapper@aol.com]
Re: Colorado Questions For Deposits [Wally Breese ]
Herbie Hancock [Wally Breese ]
Re: Birthday Card [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Plug Of The Week #37 ["Peter Holmstedt" ]
Kilauren Birthday Painting [PMcfad@aol.com]
Colorado Fest [Michael Paz ]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #345 [Chuck Eisenhardt ]
lost address for jacky re:s&l tape(NJC) [Jonimeistr@aol.com]
Sarah on VH-1 tonight (NJC) ["Kakki" ]
RE: Birthday Card [Michael Yarbrough ]
RE: Colorado Questions For Deposits [Michael Yarbrough ]
Re: Birthday Card [Bounced Message ]
Re: Sarah on VH-1 tonight (NJC) ["Claud SansSoucie" ]
RE: Colorado Questions For Deposits [Michael Yarbrough ]
Crazy Cries Single [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: NJC, Colin, politics, books, movies [heather ]
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:05:53 -0700
From: Skin Deep
Subject: Re:Birthday Card
I think she really likes cats.
Waltzenfree
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:59:27 -0400
From: "Ken (Slarty)"
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
gr8fuldave wrote:
> Now does anone know what cause or causes are most dear to our
> Joan?
Oh I would think that would have to be the 2F2TMIALA
Freedom from the Tyrannical Musical Industry Artists Liberation Army
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:56:40 EDT
From: AzeemAK@aol.com
Subject: Re: The jig is up NJC
In a message dated 9/11/98 1:39:26PM, Mark-n-Travis@worldnet.att.net writes:
<<
I'm putting a slightly hestitant toe back into the waters of country
music mainly because of Michael Y, Sherrie Goode, Bill D & a few others
on the list. I bought 'Honky Tonk Angels' >>
Speaking of angels and country music, as I plough the latest collection of
delightful news from the jmdl, occasional missives from the Jill Sobule list,
which is considerably less active than jmdl (to put it kindly!) and those
annoying "Have you ever been refused credit" spams, I'm playing Gram Parsons
at loud volume - "Grevious Angel", which I prefer to "GP". I just had to take
a break from typing as "Brass Buttons" came along. Is that an exquisite song
or what? There was a great article about Gram in Mojo a few issues ago, and
another in the Guardian (only vaguely left-leaning national newspaper in
Britain) today. In fact, I'm going to pick up my guitar and learn that damn
song!
As "Brass Buttons" is about Gram's mother, I'll digress a little more from
Joni, pick up the "Grandma's Hands" thread, and share my unconfined joy at
FINALLY finding a copy of "Bill Withers live at Carnegie Hall", for which I've
been looking for nearly 10 years. It wasn't the thrill of finding a vinyl
copy in a second hand shop, but finding that it's been issued as a single CD
at "Nice Price" was good enough for me. There's a superb version of
"Grandma's Hands", plus most of his other early classics, and some delightful
between songs talk. I heard quite recently that this great man is without a
record contract. O tempora! O mores!
Azeem in London
Was playing before Gram: Tanita Tikaram's new one, "Cappucino Songs", a v
pleasant surprise - she's finally made a record that showcases her strength
(her unique voice) and minimises her weakness (um, her voice... :-)
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:15:33 EDT
From: Denisongs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
In a message dated 98-09-13 00:35:09 EDT, you write:
<< What I think would be great would be to select some favorite cause of
Joni's and support it in some way in her name, while sending her a very
simple card wishing her well and informing her of whatever action is
taken. >>
Great idea!! ..Denise
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:17:50 -0400
From: Marsha
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/13/98 1:07:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net
> writes:
>
> <<
> Thank you. Now does anone know what cause or causes are most dear to our
> Joan?
>
> gdave
> >>
>
> Yes, the cause of banning solicitations of money over the Internet.
or how about getting cheapskates to pay full price for
tickets to see Joni perform and not threaten to gate crash, Dave?
Marsha, laughing hard at the thought of listers agreeing on
a "cause", much less shelling out bucks for it
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
Marsha wrote:
>or how about getting cheapskates to pay full
>price for tickets to see Joni perform and not
>threaten to gate crash, Dave?
You are obviously reffering to several of my posts when I was hoping to
attend Woodstock, which I was unable to attend. If you review those
posts you will see that I was coming with the cash and intention of
buying a ticket at whatever price I could find, first, and "gate
crashing" (your words, not mine as far as I remeber) as a last resort.
IAnyone who knows me will inform you that I am far from a "cheapskate".
Also, I thought this list was, for the most part, above name calling.
Was my suggestion of doing some good in Joni's name so threatening to
warrant this attack?
>Marsha, laughing hard at the thought of listers
>agreeing on a "cause", much less shelling
>out bucks for it.
The other list I refferred to in my original post was the 2400Fulton
list which discusses Jefferson Airplane/Starship & Hot Tuna.
If anyone here is on that list they will verify that upwards od 80% of
the postings there consist of heated flame wars both on & off topic. It
would seem to the new subscriber that "everyone hates everyone" on that
list.
And yet, when someone made the suggestion of sending a kid to Jorma
Kaukonen's new music camp, Fur Peace Ranch www.furpeaceranch.com , on a
2400Fulton Scholarship, over $300 was raised and that was matched by a
sympathetic business of a list member. One person contacted the camp
directors and a mailing address was set up for listers to mail there $5
donation.
In short, a group of people who bicker & argue MUCH MUCH MUCH more than
the people on this list, made a real difference, and it wasn't even
anybody's birthday.
I believe this list CAN agree on a cause by selecting a cause that Joni
is MOST interested in. From there, one person can contact that
organization and set up a JMDL contribution address at the agreed
organization, then post it, for all to donate, or not, as they see fit.
The organization will then provide the total collected by a set date so
that this info can be relayed to Joni with her card.
This "cheapskate" will volunteer the first $5 to whatever cause Joni
supports, once determined, and will volunteer to do the contact work,
although I have never done that sort of thing before and there are
probably others on this list better prepared and knowlegeable to do so.
Once again I ask if anyone knows what cause or causes are most dear to
Joni. That is the first step.
I belong to 6 lists, and this one, by far, is where people are, for the
most part, the most intelligent, civil, & friendly. Or is that just
within a certain clique?
I can not believe the amount of negativity being sent my way on this
subject. I thought this list would jump on such an idea and that Joni
would be moved to tears by the result.
gdave
NP: Tape of the Day - 9/13/69
CSNY: Big Sur, Monterey, CA.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:50:03 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: Birthday Card
Dave wrote:
<<>>
Well, I'll try to voice my concerns without being too negative. I know that
there are several younger ones like myself on the list, and we may not
really be able to contribute cash to this birthday project. The list is
mercifully free of charge, but between tape trees, JMDL fests, CD
releases, etc. there is certainly plenty of opportunity to spend money.
And as much as I love Joan, I have a hard enough time finding the
money to support my own organizations of choice--my NOW
membership renewal sits on my mantle as we speak because I can't
afford to send it off. I'm still trying to put together the $25 deposit for the
CO fest.
If we decided to only do a simple card and a donation, I could probably
scrounge up $5 somewhere to send in, but it's just an added financial
burden when I'm spending close to $1000 a month on debt incurred
from putting myself through a very expensive private university, with
which I'm not even done. I'd rather not have to spend a dime if it's at
all possible. I'm sure the other younger members, and probably some
of the older members, are in the same situation. I'm not necessarily
suggesting we forgo the donation idea, but that there be another way
(like the original picture idea, which I don't find self-indulgent in the
least) for all of us to participate.
- --Michael
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:07:59 +0100
From: catman
Subject: TTT & Bev
Having listened to this album many times now I have to say i personally
am disappointed. I think TI and NRH are much more appealing to me.
I do like Harlem in Havana, Lead Balloon, No Apologies and Tiger Bones,
this latter being instrumental. Aaprt from those mentioned, TTT is not
my favourite Joni, so I guess it joins CMIAR and Mingus on my B list!
Having said that, tose into the actual guitar playing etc might well
think it is great-the hitcher I told you about last week was impressed
by that and he will be buying TTT.
Bev:
Thankyou so much for telephoning. I was really touched that you thought
of me. As you now know, I am well and just been very busy. I now have a
Lhasa Apso again. At the mo she is called Sally as that is what she came
with. i don't like it so want to change it but haven't decided yet.
Ideas anyone?
write to me please as I don't have your addy saved-I lost aload a while
ago and haven't seen you post so am still add less.
I will be off line for a couple of days as we are moving back to the
other flat till the bastards upstairs have been rehoused. Such ignorant
selfish little shits-washing machine on at 1 am this morning! Doing
housework in platforms all f'ing night and they don't even close the
windows when they are at it. she is so noisy! Crazy Cries of Love? Give
over-selfish common little trollop more like! hoenstly, I have to cover
the cats ears! james thinks it's a girl calling for him.
here the bill thing is top news-the TV even broke for a newsflash. How
come Eisenhower, Rooselvelt or JFK weren't treated like this? How come
they have a republican gunning for him? Why wasn't this prosecuter
chosen without political bias? Well at least Monica is now famous all
over the world and will go down in history as the girl who went down on
Bill and brought him down.
- --
CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html
TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:21:26 -0400
From: trxschwa
Subject: tennis (njc)
michael wrote:
NP: Davenport-Hingis at the US Open
i nearly bawled when liindsey davenport took it, i'd been rooting for her
to take her first major at this event, since before it began. it's been a
great for women's tennis, with novotna teaching something to the kids at
wimbledon, seles and graf both back in it, as well as williams and hingis
keeping everyone on their toes. but davenport was special, she has a
quizzical teddybear face that just opened up when she won.
patrick, who'll be happily settled down for the all-aussie men's final this
afternoon. go, patrick rafter!
np - gluck's orfeo ed eurydyce
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:13:56 -0400
From: trxschwa
Subject: joni in the nytimes (jc)
the new york times season preview issue is out today and i am in hog
heaven. four (4!) sections about arts and entertainment. after slogging
through movies, theater, tv, dance, i picked up the music section and there
was lorraine hunt in full cry. she's singing bach cantatas staged by peter
sellars, next march, in what has to be my event of the season. john
kelly's 'moondrunk', a staging of schoenberg's 'pierrot lunaire' is noted
as well.
one great feature is they asked major figures in each field what they were
excited about. actors and directors telling what they were looking forward
to. (several mentioned kubrick's next, as well as woody allen's
'celebrity.) kelly mentioned martha clark's staging of gluck's orfeo ed
eurydyce.
john mellenkamp says, 'i'm looking for joni mitchell's new album, 'taming
the tiger'. besides her songs and her music, her attitude has always
interested me. of all contemporary women who have written music, to me,
joni is the real thing.'
this is across the page from a truly glamorous photo of jm standing against
a terra cotta wall in a long gown and shawl, hands raised as if she was
holding up the huge hanging plant above her head. one BIG smile.
in the september album previews:
joni mitchell - her prize of a voice, now darker and wiser, finally
resurfaces on this long-promised album, 'taming the tiger', created mostly
by the deep layering of her own guitar-synthesizer and the jazz drummer
brian blade.
but even cooler in the october listings
herbie hancock - 'gershwin's world' is a heavily produced, guest-heavy
album of songs by and related to george gershwin in honor of the composer's
centennial. mr. hancock's gifts as a pianist are in full display, but the
record may also direct considerable attention toward joni mitchell, whose
vocal on 'the man i love' extablishes her as a terrific jazz singer.
well, duh, it's journalism for the taste-deprived, but it's good buzz for
joni.
patrick
np - gluck - orfeo ed eurydyce
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:55:34 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: [Fwd: Re: greetings]
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Hi Jerry,
Thanks so much for your kind words... It is persons like you who makes
this world a better place. You obviously are an astute observer, and very
sensitive. Thank you for the compliments, please stay in touch.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:11:56 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: NJC, Colin, politics, books, movies
At 05:07 PM 9/13/98 +0100, Colin wrote:
>here the bill thing is top news-the TV even broke for a newsflash. How
>come Eisenhower, Rooselvelt or JFK weren't treated like this?
Hi Colin nice to hear from you,
Or Martin Luther King for that matter? I had heard that it was to King's
benefit that he was assasinated before all of his "behind the scenes"
happenings came out. Look, I think Clinton has a problem, but on the
scale of evil in the world, liking sex too much----just isn't up there with
me. I don't feel that Clinton's problem is as sick as our own society's
need to expose,pummel and emotionally crucify anybody in the limelight or
in positions of power. No one is void of sin...What's that saying in the
Bible about casting the first stone? Men in power have had their share of
women waiting around for them since the beginning of time. Monica had a
choice to say "no." It's her right to chose what she did. Although a young
woman, she was not a child. There are no victims---just our children who
are increasingly forced to view all of our leaders as having to be all good
or all bad. What a pathetic, self-defeating legacy we are leaving kids
today: "You can only do great things if you are perfect." It's "The
Lottery" story unleashed in a big way.
Saw a wonderful book advertised in the NY Times Book section and wondering
if any of our gay friends recommend it: "Queer at 13" Lesbian and Gay
writers recall Seventh Grade. What a cool concept for a book...
Saw Matt Damon in that new card shark movie, "Rounders". He can not act.
John Malkovich, who I usually love, was so over the top doing a sleazy
Russian accent--that I felt like he was in a Sat Night Live skit---it was
funnier than should have been. Ed Norton is going to be big--wait and see.
Colin, I too am having trouble with TTT, as I often do with so many of
Joni's new albums, and then something shifts inside of me and "I get it"
and fall in love. -Julie, still not getting it.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:31 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
In a message dated 9/13/98 11:19:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net
writes:
<< I thought this list would jump on such an idea and that Joni
would be moved to tears by the result.
>>
Dave,
My thoughts are that while yours might be a good suggestion for some time
in the future, it really isn't what we want/need to do THIS year to show Joni
the effect she has had on us individually and as a group.
The dynamics of this group changed dramatically during the past year because
of the gatherings, brought on by Julie's and Ashara's parties and the
concerts, etc.
Those who were not able to or chose not to participate may not get it, but
THAT IMHO is what has occurred and while Joni may have gotten some feeling
about it and some individual comments at the concerts, I don't think she yet
understands the full impact of it.
I certainly don't want to alienate those listers who did not participate,
but I was involved in only one of those gatherings and still haven't seen her
in concert since 1975, but I felt it and want to transmit that feeling to Joni
as best we can.
I don't think collecting donations for summer camp, or something like that,
does it this time. And it's not because we're cheap or anything like that.
It's just that we feel we have a more important message to deliver right now.
Paul I
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
Paul wrote:
>My thoughts are that while yours might be a
>good suggestion for some time in the future, it
>really isn't what we want/need to do THIS year
and,
>It's just that we feel we have a more important
>message to deliver right now.
That is just fine, Paul. Ken asked for suggestions and I made one. Ill
not try to force the issue, especially when the negative reactions are
outrunning the postive 3 to 0.
Also the "camp" example was just that, an example.
Perhaps the United Way in Saaskatoon, or some Polio research, or some
Adoption type deal, I don't know...just off the top of my head.
But I can see where sending pictures of ourselves to relay our
adulaton & devotion is a much more moving birthday gift and should
really be a boost for her ego.
gdave
NP: Tape of the Day - 9/13/87
Grateful Dead: Landover, MD. (VIDEO)
yes, two tv's. one for the video & one for on-line.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:20:30 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
Dave wrote:
>And yet, when someone made the suggestion of sending a kid to Jorma
>Kaukonen's new music camp, Fur Peace Ranch www.furpeaceranch.com , on a
>2400Fulton Scholarship, over $300 was raised and that was matched by a
>sympathetic business of a list member. One person contacted the camp
>directors and a mailing address was set up for listers to mail there $5
>donation.
I used to peruse the 2400 Fulton list until the Joni list alone became more
than enough to read in a day. I'm curious to know - What was Jorma's reaction
to the contribution? Did he post a message to the web site/list acknowledging
the gift? Are the 2400 Fulton listmembers going to make this an annual event?
Maybe we could set up an annual type of group contribution to a cause close to
Joni in which anyone who wants to can participate. We've learned through
articles and such that she likes to give her time to children's music programs
in Saskatoon and Alberta. Her boyfriend Don Freed also spends much time with
children's music groups in schools. But I'm still inclined to think that this
should be an effort separate from the annual group birthday card. A birthday
effort focused only on contributing money would be exclusionary to many members
for reasons already explained by Michael. Also, what are the problems
associated with money conversion with donations coming in from around the
worldwide membership here? There could be some inherent logisitical problems
because of that. I would assume that the 2400 Fulton contributors were mainly
from the U.S. and were sending in dollars to Jorma's camp in the U.S.
Kakki
I can not believe the amount of negativity being sent my way on this
subject. I thought this list would jump on such an idea and that Joni
would be moved to tears by the result.
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:45:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
kakki asked:
>I'm curious to know - What was Jorma's
>reaction to the contribution? Did he post a
>message to the web site/list acknowledging the
>gift? Are the 2400 Fulton listmembers going to
>make this an annual event?
No response from Jorma himself as of yet. But this all took place very
recently. The address to send the contributions was only posted last
week or so.
The girl who took on the responsibility of setting this up with the Camp
Management recieved an encouraging reply, an address to send the
donations, and a promise to put something on the website
www.furpeaceranch.com in the near future specifically about the
scholarship fund. I'm not sure if this has been done yet.
As far as making it an annual event, I'm not sure, but it would not
surprise me as it has generated a real good vibe on the list and helped
to heal some relationships, I'm sure.
The potential problems you raised are valid but not insurmountable. I
can not see any worthwhile organization turning down donations from any
part of the globe in any currency.
I think almost everyone can afford $5 or even $1. As far as a cause that
has both Joni's and global support, how about Amnesty International or
UNICEF?
gdave
NP: Tape of the Day 9/13/93
Grateful Dead: Philly Spectrum
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:05:37 +0000
From: Kate Tarasenko
Subject: re: Joni's b-day card
I participated in a group birthday-card deal about a year ago, and each
of us had made our own individual cards which went into a photo album.
What we did was choose our own postcards which represented where we
live, since we were a pretty far-flung group, and the person who put the
album together got clear plastic pages that had six compartments each,
so that each postcard had its own slot (and they wouldn't all slide into
each other), and they all could be viewed front and back without
removing them from the sleeves, but they could also be taken out for a
closer look. Of course, we had to adhere to size limitations so that
they could fit into the individual compartments, and the idea of
choosing the state/country we lived in was part of the voted-on
parameters, although they need not be here. We could indeed choose to
send a photo of ourself at our favorite Joni-gathering, or simply a
self-portrait photo, or portrait of Joni (for those with that gift),
etc. Other than having them mailed to a designated person by our
deadline, anything went. Also included in the album were some other
items such as writings (we could include some interesting digest
threads, for example), etc. Anyway, the person who received this liked
it a lot, understood that people from all over were involved, and it was
a compact yet chock-full "card" which included a lot of messages from a
lot of people, but it was packaged so that it didn't seem overwhelming.
And the preson in the group who actually assembled the album got to
(tastefully!) decorate the cover!
I thought I would pass this along in case this is the route we go for
Joni's upcoming card.
Thanks to Sherrie, Amy & Al for making my Friday a Joni trifecta: MOJO,
Garden photos, and Tape Tree #7!
And big thanks to Les for adding more fun photos to the Garden page
(jmdl.com under "articles") -- it looks really great and it sent me back
again...!
Kate in CO
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:56:31 EDT
From: Charstarl@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Birthday Card response (JC)
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<< I cannot believe the amount of negativity being sent my way on this
subject. I thought this list would jump on such an idea and that Joni
would be moved to tears by the result. >>
Dave - I, for one, like your idea of contributing to a worth cause in the
name of Joni plus I like the idea of an inclusive type of list-personalized
bday card.
I think Marsha was trying to be funny and not trying to put you down
personally. I've been reading the responses and I think they've been pretty
straightforward and respectful. Sometime sarcasm or facetious remarks do not
translate well in cybertalk (IMHO).
I think we are a creative, insightful group of people and as a newer member
of the JMDL i have also noticed the civility and downright humane attitude
that flavors most of the postings on this list. I appreciate you all. Keep
those ideas flowing!
Char* >>
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Subject: Re: Birthday Card response (JC)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:54:26 EDT
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In a message dated 9/13/98 9:19:06 AM Mountain Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net
writes:
<< I cannot believe the amount of negativity being sent my way on this
subject. I thought this list would jump on such an idea and that Joni
would be moved to tears by the result. >>
Dave - I, for one, like your idea of contributing to a worth cause in the
name of Joni plus I like the idea of an inclusive type of list-personalized
bday card.
I think Marsha was trying to be funny and not trying to put you down
personally. I've been reading the responses and I think they've been pretty
straightforward and respectful. Sometime sarcasm or facetious remarks do not
translate well in cybertalk (IMHO).
I think we are a creative, insightful group of people and as a newer member of
the JMDL i have also noticed the civility and downright humane attitude that
flavors most of the postings on this list. I appreciate you all. Keep those
ideas flowing!
Char*
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:02:00 EDT
From: Charstarl@aol.com
Subject: Re: Colorado Questions For Deposits & ?
Wally or any other helpful JMDLers - I have tried several times to access the
JoniFest 1999 information and repeatedly have not been able to locate the
information. What am I doing wrong? How do I get the info as I'd like to
attend the Colorado JoniFest? Help Me....! Thanks in advance, Char*
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:03:47 EDT
From: Seanapper@aol.com
Subject: joni birthday sack
I think this is an excellent idea, Ken!
****
On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, "Ken (Slarty)" wrote:
"...so maybe instead of a card from the group we could design
the gift bag that the cards would be delivered in. On that bag we could stick
the group photos and individual photos and have the colorful JMDL with the
heart, like the banner. Inside we could have all the individual cards and
maybe we could all donate a dollar and buy Joni a JMDL Denim shirt which we
could wrap and also put in the bag."
Neil in Seattle
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 98 13:32:12 -0700
From: Wally Breese
Subject: Re: Colorado Questions For Deposits
Hi,
I don't want to sound like a curmudgeon but I wasn't expecting kids at
the JoniFest next year (please don't hate me, Julie!). I thought it would
be more of a scholarly get together. I'd like to have a collection of
folks who really love Joni's music and want to learn more about it and
her. I visualized listening to and discussing rare songs and watching
videos, as well as having seminars where guitarists could demonstrate
Joni's tunings and strumming styles, etc. Children are a constant
distraction and it's understandable when they're forced to go to events
that mean nothing to them. I don't even know whether significant others
should attend, unless they are Joniphiles, of course. But perhaps this is
not what others had in mind? Is something purely social preferred?
Later,
Wally
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 98 13:39:08 -0700
From: Wally Breese
Subject: Herbie Hancock
Hi everyone,
I've been listening to an advance copy of Herbie Hancock's new album
"Gershwin's World," which is due in stores on October 20th. Joni sings
two Gershwin tunes on the CD- "The Man I Love" and "Summertime." Her
voice is smoky, sensual and quite lovely singing these standards.
(Recently in live performance, Joni has also performed a couple of other
pop classics: "Stormy Weather" and "Comes Love.") Stevie Wonder adds his
harmonica work to "Summertime" and Wayne Shorter joins in on saxophone.
Stevie also contributes vocals on one song on the album. Other guests
contributing to Herbie's new CD are Chick Correa, Kathleen Battle,
Orpheus Chamber Orchestra, and more. A photo of Joni, Herbie and Stevie
taken at the recording session for "Summertime" is viewable through this
URL:
http://www.JoniMitchell.com/jonihome.html#Upcoming
Later,
Wally
The Joni Mitchell Homepage
http://www.JoniMitchell.com
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:30:55 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
In a message dated 9/13/98 1:40:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net
writes:
<< But I can see where sending pictures of ourselves to relay our
adulaton & devotion is a much more moving birthday gift and should
really be a boost for her ego.
gdave >>
You obviously still don't get it, Dave. It's not about adulation or devotion.
I thought that was clear from my last post. It's not about "I". It's not about
"you."
It's about "her and we." I don't know how else to try to explain it to you.
Unless you've lived it, and I guesss you haven't yet, you just won't get it.
Paul I
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:30:09 +0200
From: "Peter Holmstedt"
Subject: Plug Of The Week #37
Feeling comfortable? Wanna hear some real music?
How about the two most recent albums by The
David Nelson Band:
"Limited Edition" and "Keeper Of The Key"
David Nelson has enjoyed a distinguished musical
career since he first performed with Jerry Garcia and
Robert Hunter in The Wildwood Boys in the early 60's.
Currently, David is riding high on the music scene with
his latest musical endeavor, The David Nelson Band.
For the past three years DNB has been performing
coast to coast and garnering critical acclaim for their
recordings and their live performances. David has
assembled a superb musical unit and turned them
loose on exciting and evocative new tunes, many with
lyrics penned by Grateful Dead lyricist, Robert Hunter.
David Nelson was an important figure in the musical
vanguard of the influential Haight-Ashbury/San Fransisco
music scene of the 60's and 70's. He played guitar on
three landmark Grateful Dead albums and, together with
Jerry Garcia and John Dawson, formed the first psychedelic
country rock'n'roll band, The New Riders Of The Purple Sage.
In the mid-80's he was a member of The Jerry Garcia Acoustic
Band.
DNB features a line-up of noteworthy and talented musicians.
Prior to the formation of DNB, guitarist / pedal steel player
Barry Sless honed his skills in Cowboy Jazz and Kingfish.
Keyboard ace Mookie Siegel is a well known figure on the
music scene, notably with Kingfish and Ratdog. The solid and
experienced rhythm section consists of Bill Laymon (ex-NRPS,
Jefferson Starship, Kingfish and JGB) and Arthur Steinhorn
(ex-NRPS, Kingfish and Cowboy Jazz).
If you're having trouble finding these two gems in your local
record store, you can always get them at:
dnb@nelsonband.com
or
mookie@abs.net
Support this wonderful music!
Take care for now,
Peter
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:04:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
Paul wrote:
>You obviously still don't get it, Dave. It's not
>about adulation or devotion. I thought that was
>clear from my last post. It's not about "I". It's not
>about "you."
>It's about "her and we." I don't know how else to
>try to explain it to you. Unless you've lived it,
>and I guesss you haven't yet, you just won't get
>it.
Paul, I have read the above message several times in an effort to try
and understand just what the hell you are talking about, but I'm afraid
I just don't get it...your message that is.
Since you "don't know how else to try to explain it to" me, I suggest
you don't bother. But, should you feel the need, or desire, to try and
"explain it to" me furthur, I invite you now to take it off list, as I
think we might be boring some people with our back and forth posts on
this subject.
respectfully,
gdave
NP: Tape of the Day - 9/13/91
Grateful Dead: Madison Square Garden, NYC
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:20:06 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock
Is this a new 'do or am I running behind the times? Anyhow, I really like it!
http://www.JoniMitchell.com/HerbieJoniStevie98.jpg
NP-Harry's House
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:29:44 EDT
From: PMcfad@aol.com
Subject: Kilauren Birthday Painting
Hey, here is an idea. Commission some jimdler painter type, who paints
pictures, not walls and trim, to do a portrait of Kilauren for Joni. Maybe in
a vanGogh motif. Then, frame the portrait and do some cyber scan "autography"
that serves as a reminder of the jimdlers.
Then you can put the thing in a big sack and put cards in it and start an
adoption fund or a polio fund. I'll bet she'd like that. A polio fund, since
she still suffers from the disease.
pj
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:39:21 -0500
From: Michael Paz
Subject: Colorado Fest
Hello All-
I can wait to start planning, but I too have millions of questions.
Like, CAN WE PLAY ALL NIGHT???? I volunteer to be on the Tech/Music
committee and if I can do anything to help I am available, when the time
comes.
Counting the days,
Michael
NP-Wild Horses-Los Rolling Stones (boy is this bringing back some
memories of 1 week ago)
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 16:56:39 +0000
From: Chuck Eisenhardt
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #345
Muchael and Fred were speculating:
> Michael Paz wrote:
>
> >>We can also start a joni tribute band (any ideas on
> names??? the
> >>JoanTones, Little Green Men, Siquomb Singers, Boys to
> Joanes,???
>
> Tones For Joan's Bones (actually the title of a tune by jazz pianist Chick
> Corea).
>
> - -Fred
I kinda like the 'JoanTones'!
I was was also thinking of naming the group backup band from NE Fest
'The Siquombies'...
Chuck E
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:14:51 EDT
From: Jonimeistr@aol.com
Subject: lost address for jacky re:s&l tape(NJC)
Jacky,
I have no idea what exactly I did,but
I deleted your address. Please e- mail
me again so I can mail the video off to you.
Willie
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:42:48 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Sarah on VH-1 tonight (NJC)
Sarah Mc is on VH-1 Storytellers tonight at 7:00 Pacific time. Paula Cole
joins her in one of the songs.
Kakki
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:22:53 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: Birthday Card
Dave wrote:
<<>>
Emphasis on almost, I assume? I'd be happy to forward you a copy
of my previous post if you did not receive it already.
Don't get me wrong, I think *any* impetus to donate to a charity is a
good one, and I certainly support any efforts to organize a donation
on Joni's behalf. I reiterate, however, that it's not fair to assume we
would all be able to participate, and that because of this there should
be another opportunity for participation in a birthday event.
And just because there are some objections to the idea as proposed,
please don't assume that we're all gunning for you.
- --Michael, trying very hard to be diplomatic when assumptions are
made about my budget
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:01:18 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: Colorado Questions For Deposits
<<>>
Never, never!! I think it sounded perfectly reasonable, though now
I'm going to disagree a tad (as if anyone's surprised! :-) ).
<<>>
I definitely think this should be *one* of the elements. Probably the
dominant one. I think there's plenty of room for more laid-back
fun stuff, too.
<<>>
While I think this is true, due to the length of the event many of the
parents on the list (especially the single ones) might not be able to
attend if they can't bring their children along. Plus I know that I, for
one, am planning on attending as part of a longer vacation and
wouldn't be surprised if the reproduced among us have similar ideas.
I'd rather us try to figure out a way to deal with the kids to help
eliminate obstructions to folks' attendance.
I mean, after all, this is a YMCA camping place, near the forest,
with some obstacle course-type stuff around, etc. It seems a
natural environment for kids to have fun.
Perhaps one of the parents attending would like to take a committee
spot for kid-planning? Just a suggestion.
<<>>
Again, I'd rather JMDLers attend than not, and if they cannot justify
the expense without bringing an SO along, I say bring him/her/it!
<<>>
I don't believe in purity!!
I think the beauty of this weekend is that there will finally be enough
time to fit in all sorts of activity, ranging from Joni Mitchell
dissertation salons to hiking and sleeping and hanging out. I guess
I sort of assumed there would be social AND academic activities
and I'm thrilled about my assumption; sorry if it's wrong! :-) But if
we're voting, I say mix it up!
One small concern I do have is that the YMCA place is a Christian
organization that hosts church camps and stuff. Now, as many,
many, many JMDLers have proven, many, many, many religious
people are very warm, caring, tolerant, wonderful human beings.
(Did I mention just how many there were? And how warm and
caring? I'm being serious, I just don't want to be misinterpreted
and offend anyone.) But, as we all know, there are a couple of
Christian people and organizations in the world who are slightly
less warm and tolerant than the rest. So I'm just wondering if
there are any rules at the facility of which we should be aware
(regarding, say, alcohol consumption, etc.) and whether those
of us whom some people find morally abhorrent can expect to
treated respectfully.
I'm not trying to stir anything up here, just genuinely wondering.
- --Michael, who grew up very Christian and not far from Colorado
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:07:06 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: Re: Colorado Questions For Deposits
At 01:32 PM 9/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
> I don't want to sound like a curmudgeon but I wasn't expecting kids at
>the JoniFest next year (please don't hate me, Julie!).
>not what others had in mind? Is something purely social preferred?
Hi Wally,
You read my mind about nixxing kids....however, if my memory serves me
correctly, the original plans were to have a weekend of Joni **with**
family/S.O's---partly why you guys already reserved 100 rooms based on
double occupancy. (This all came about on the heels of Jonifest Pittsburgh
when there was some grumblings, because it was my decision to have jmdl
members **only** as guests in my home---and not their S.O's. This was
viewed as pretty radical at the time, but pretty much adopted as the
preferred way to do a Jonifest. Why bore anyone else with our fanaticism?)
When Jon and I started calculating the prices of the lodging which
includes meals: The Alpen Inn is $72 per person double occupancy (or $116
single occupancy) per night and the Mt. Ypsilon Lodge is $58 per person
double occupancy (or $$89 single occupancy) per night. I figured that the
whole weekend would cost me alone somewhere around $500 including my
flight. So Im coming solo. You and I are in agreement about people, be
they big or small, **not** coming to Colorado who aren't into Joni.
This is good that we had this discussion, because if anyone else feels
passionate about this issue, speak now, or forever hold your peace. (Too
bad we can't do Robert's Rules of Order on line. Has it been tried?) I
make a motion that Jonifest Colorado does not include children as guests.
(Just kidding.)
Talk amongst yourselves, -Julie
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:17:42 -0600
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: Birthday Card
From: "Claud SansSoucie"
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:06:39 -0400
Boy this birthday card seems somewhat difficult and some of the
contributed ideas have sparked some interesting reactions. Since I
don't have a great idea to contribute myself, I thought I sum up some of
my thoughts.
Depending on the amount of individual cards that Wally might be
delivering (I liked the Santa Claus image! - and maybe Wally might need
a sleigh to haul them to Joni) it could be too overwhelming and boring
to give each card the attention we might all hope for. But then again I
am not a big fan of cards myself, and maybe she would take all day or
several weeks to comb through them all feeling all warm and fuzzy
inside.
I did like the idea of an effort in her name that she might feel
strongly about. I guess I am practical deep down and love the idea of an
effort having a positive outcome - not that Joni receiving a truckload
of cards (see I envision that if we do all individual cards that it
wouldn't be just a little baggie full of cards!) would not be positive,
but I think you all know what I mean. Maybe her birthday is not the
right time and I totally understand that not everyone can spare a dime.
I like the idea of showing our location. This might bring home to Joni
that this group is not just a bunch of people on the Internet but
individuals from all over the world! This might encourage her to tour
more and visually understand how far reaching her influence is. Maybe we
could send her a globe with little Joni pins placed everywhere where a
JMDL member is.
Well, I'll keep on thinking and pondering.
claud
Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog)
email:
dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net
tele:
(717) 854-7171
Web Page:
http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:13:20 -0400
From: "Claud SansSoucie"
Subject: Re: Sarah on VH-1 tonight (NJC)
Boy it really stinks not to have cable and get all these messages about
cable stuff. I might have to try to cough up some extra bucks so I can race
to my TV and catch some of this great stuff.
Thanks for making me hate NBC, ABC, and CBS and long for CABLE! Drool
Claud
- -----Original Message-----
>Sarah Mc is on VH-1 Storytellers tonight at 7:00 Pacific time. Paula Cole
>joins her in one of the songs.
>
>Kakki
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:27:23 -0600
From: Les Irvin
Subject: RE: Colorado Questions For Deposits
At 07:01 PM 9/13/98 , Michael Yarbrough wrote:
>I mean, after all, this is a YMCA camping place, near the forest,
>with some obstacle course-type stuff around, etc. It seems a
>natural environment for kids to have fun.
I agree with Michael, I think the gathering should be open to all JMDLers
and their families. As he (or someone) mentioned, it will be held in a
beautiful mountain setting. There will be lots of things Joni and non-Joni
for everyone.
I envision activities happening all day long. If you want to go to them,
you go. If you don't, you go hiking or fishing or rock-climbing or
whatever. I think the ability to bring one's family would make it possible
for more people to attend. Who knows - maybe we will even have people
volunteer to do kid's activities...
Les
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:29:41 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: Colorado Questions For Deposits
Julie wrote:
<<>>
Just wanted to remind everybody that the price goes down from here
for increased occupancy, down to around $49/person/night for each
lodge if a room is full. I already have loose plans to shack up w/
other JMDLers to decrease costs (and increase fun, IMO), and
wanted to throw that out there as a suggestion if it would help
someone be able to attend. And remember, this price includes food.
Quite a deal, I think.
As far as kids go, if parents don't want to bring their kids, then by all
means don't bring them. :-) But I, like Julie, seem to remember that
a family/SO option was part of the original proposal for Jonifest '99.
As one without child, I just wanted to make it clear that I have no
objections to those with child being with child in Colorado. It's up to
y'all (just please don't expect me to babysit ;-) ).
- --Michael
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:49:02 -0500
From: "Happy The Man"
Subject: RE: Colorado Questions For Deposits
I make my living doing activities for kids. I have a couple of friends in
the Central Colorado area. We can offer WhiteWater Rafting at a much
discounted price one day and then maybe let the kids do some repelling and
hiking. Maybe even some fishing gig.
My kids will be in school already when this happens (they start mid August)
so they would miss out on the Joni part (to which my wife would like to be
excuse). So anything or anyway I can use my talents I will help.
Peace, Craig
> I envision activities happening all day long. If you want to go to them,
> you go. If you don't, you go hiking or fishing or rock-climbing or
> whatever. I think the ability to bring one's family would make
> it possible
> for more people to attend. Who knows - maybe we will even have people
> volunteer to do kid's activities...
> Les
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:06:18 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Crazy Cries Single
According to Wally's Upcoming page, the single for the Crazy Cries of Love
will be released to radio stations tomorrow (The 14th). Keep those ears
peeled! (Or cleaned, or whatever!) Maybe we'll get to hear a radio edit,
too!
NP-Lust Like This Train (Intentional typo) :)
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:21:58 -0400
From: heather
Subject: Re: NJC, Colin, politics, books, movies
At 01:11 PM 9/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
Men in power have had their share of
>women waiting around for them since the beginning of time.
I'm waiting for women to be in power and have their share of men waiting
around ;-)
Bruyere (who just learned that this is the French translation for Heather)
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