From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #350 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, September 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 350 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Birthday Card [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Joni's Birthday Card [Mark Domyancich ] Re: recommendations (njc) [Mark or Travis ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [Scott and Jody ] Joni on Mtv + other thoughts [Michael Paz ] Joni Birthday Card [Wally Breese ] Mariana Concert Review [Michael Paz ] Joni Birthday card [Evian ] nietzche on jm & vincent? [some millers ] Re: Joni Birthday card (2 more centavos) ["Kakki" ] Re: Mariana Concert Review ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:38:51 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card In a message dated 9/11/98 5:44:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Instead of creating one birthday card, why not create many of them. Each person on the joni list could assemble their own birthday card creation and then we could combine all of them into some type of large, artistic birthday montage. >> Strikes me as being too much like the AIDS quilt and usually such things aren't very artistic. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:51:10 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: Joni's Birthday Card Man, as long as I don't have to play for her! ;) I should break out the ol' Minolta and take a few shots. I like this idea much better then I did before! Count me in for Paul's idea! NP-Sisotowbell Lane (God, what a beautiful song!) Patrick wrote: >any shots of mark d. playing guitar out there? marsha's 'muggin' >shot certainly belongs. are there any great photos from the fallingwater >trek, barbara or dougie? _________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | |_______________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:07:33 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: recommendations (njc) Bill Dollinger wrote: > > i just finished reading the grace slick autobiography, > "Somebody To Love? " and i highly recommend it. It's > all there - the outrageous exploits of the original > acid queen. It is at times thoughtful and at times > dripping with sarcasm, with interesting insight into > the political, musical and sexual heydeys of the 60s. I would not have expected anything less. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:56:35 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - September 11 les@jmdl.com writes: << 1974: Joni joined the European leg of the CSNY tour, as did Jesse Colin Young, her old friend from the New York folk circuit. [Today], Joni and Jesse appeared at Wembley stadium, along with the Band, at an event unlikely to be forgotten by anyone lucky enough to attend. >> I've got an original concert poster from this tour. I got it because the art on it is a reproduction of the joni painting that she did for the cover of the CSNY album _So Far_. Wish I had been there. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:03:00 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card There are some VERY artistic people on this list! Susan Chaloner, Ken Corrall, Wally B, me, John Lind..... At 8:38 PM -0400 9/11/98, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Strikes me as being too much like the AIDS quilt and usually such things >aren't very artistic. >Paul I _________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | |_______________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:16:36 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card How about something more along the lines of a photo album/scrap book card? It doesn't have to be elaborate. A card that she could keep around the house and thumb through if she ever feels the need. We could include jmdl events and some of her photos(as Kakki mentioned). As for those of us who haven't been fortunate to attend anything yet, we could send a b-day greeting or a signiture. Maybe I've been to too many 85th B-days and 50th Anniversarys lately. I like Paul's idea for a b-day message. jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:47:12 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni on Mtv + other thoughts Hello Gang- Mikey taped the MTV awards last night since I was busy with the Choclate Milk Reunion on Louisiana JukeBox last night. He was so proud that he caught Joni for me + Dave Matthews performing to boot. (but coincidently Los BackStreet Boys were on that same tape. hmmmmmm) I love that kid! Joan sounded her usual self and I got a big bang out of the footage. I am dedicating tomorrow to learning more Joni stuff on guitar and keep all those shapes I copped from Marion fresh in my head. I hope everyone has a great weekend. I signed up for the 1999 jonifest list today and I am eager to start planning that event. Later. Peace, Michael NP-Only A Dream in Rio-Milton Nacimento w James Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 22:42:25 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Joni Birthday Card Hi everyone, I like the idea that someone brought up of each of us making or buying their own card for Joni's birthday. We can still put them all together and labeled as coming from this internet community. Huge banners are appropriate for concerts but not IMHO for birthday messages to someone whose privacy we respect. I'd like to help with this project, Ken. I'll agree to see that all the cards get delivered to Joni. How about that? Let's discuss time tables. Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:36:56 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Mariana Concert Review Hi Mariana- Thanx for the concert review on Paula. I love the way you write. I would have loved to go with you to that show. When I was in LA last year for Namm I saw her at a club called Billboard Live. It was such a tiny club and I was right up front for most of the show. She is amazing! That was my first time seeing her. The first time was at Gavin Convention here in New Orleans when This Fire came out. The WEA rep here told me about her at dinner one night and that she was playing the next day. I busted my butt to get there and boy was it worth it. She really knocked me out. I went directly to Tower and bought This Fire. I didn't find her first one till after I saw her at House of Blues here last year. I have been trying to work out a couple of her tunes. Hopefully we can play some together at the next gathering. I have been told that we have to get together on some Sarah stuff. I do a bunch of tunes from Fumbling. I hope to be in LA in January 99 for Namm convention in Anaheim. Kakki and I already have plans to meet so she can check out the convention. Are you in? I need to secure passes soon cause they are hard to get. Have a great week end. Michael NP-Trouble Man-JM w/KE (again) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:49:15 -0600 From: Evian Subject: Joni Birthday card I see no problem including these photos but if it is ONLY these pics I'm afraid it would leave out a lot of people who could not be at these events. I agree with Ken. Even though most of us haven't been able to make it to a jonifest or meet each other in person, this list is still an important part of our lives. I know that I log on with anticipation that a new digest is waiting for me. If the card focused on just these gatherings, etc., then I think that some of us would end up feeling left out and not really a part of the whole project. How about, if we do the big card idea with the photos, distribute as evenly as possible a ratio of personal pics of JMDL'ers and the gatherings? Cheers, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: some millers Subject: nietzche on jm & vincent? Just wanted to pass along one of Nietzche's aphorisms that I happened upon this morning concerning the true value of an artist. It comes from Book II of "Joyful Wisdom", and somehow it seems appropo in light of some recent posts (excerpted below) on the subject matter of TI (both jm's and vincent's): "78. What we should be grateful for. -- It is only the artists, and especially the theatrical artists, who have furnished men with eyes and ears to hear and see with some pleasure what everyone is in himself, what he experiences and what he aims at: it is only THEY who have taught us how to estimate the hero that is concealed in each of these common-place men, and the art of looking at ourselves from a distance as heroes, and as it were simplified and transfigured, -- the art of 'putting ourselves on the stage' before ourselves. It is thus only that we get beyond the paltry details in ourselves! Without that art we should be nothing but foreground, and would live absolutely under the spell of the perspective that makes the closest and the commonest seem immensely large and like reality in itself. -- Perhaps there is merit of a similar kind in the religion which commanded us to look at the sinfulness of every individual man with a magnifying-glass, and made a great immortal criminal of the sinner; in that it put eternal perspectives around man, it taught him to see himself from a distance, and as something past, something entire." I remain eternally grateful for that fateful day back in '78 when a friend's copy of jm's "HOSL" first landed in my lap, and "Harry's House" resonated so deeply within me. That was to be the first of many episodes in which jm "mirrored me back simplified." Likewise, I'm truly grateful for that very special "day in the garden" that jm recently gave us. Though I only joined the jmdl thereafter, it seems like this is some kind of reunion of long-time (and long-distance) kindred spirits. Already, I've been blessed with an unsolicited surprise recording from within this amazing cyber-community -- thank you simon. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we millers get to one of the jmdl get togethers. The prospect of seeing vincent's work on jm's birthday with other jmdl folks seems like a major opportunity, though it falls just a month before the arrival of our first child. Guess time will tell if it's meant to be. All for now... it's getting late in this neck of the global woods. Buenos noches- Paul (slouching to bed in S. Bethlehem, NY) >Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:01:28 -0700 (PDT) >From: Robert Holliston >Subject: re: lost Hejira and more (long, JC) > >Dear PJ, >Thank you once again for a deeply insightful and thought-provoking post! >I will never hear those lyrics from Black Crow again without thinking about >your homeless friend. >Same thing with "Not to Blame" - the song itself is not depressing (it is >poignant), but it asks the listener to contemplate something that is >horrible and ugly, something that we routinely ignore (as a society...and >as individuals, God help us all!). > >So, when I hear Not To Blame or The Magdalene Laundries or Cherokee Louise >[NRH's the same] or Borderline - and of course there may be more! - well, I >can't accept that this is just a part of what we, as a society, have to >accept! > >I listened to Turbulent Indigo with fresh ears (and, more >important, an open heart). To me, it is an infinitely sad album, one I >carry around with me in a state of impotent guilt, because it forces me to >think about and confront issues that I'd rather ignore, because (I think) I >can do nothing to help. > >Roberto >------------------------------ >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:29:56 EDT >From: PMcfad@aol.com >Subject: Re: lost Hejira and more (long, JC) > >Roberto, > >I understand you real good. And I can't say anything to improve your >perceptions. All your questions ring true to me, and TI brings us up front to >the dark side. Look at some vanGogs. www.openface.ca/~vangogh/painting > >I can tell you Roberto, sometimes those clashes turn beautiful for me. It's >like a quantum change. No in between. What appears desolate and desparing >instantly becomes rich and powerful. And it happens over time, after looking >real close for a long time at my self. The things I see or hear that bring me >down always come back to my inside. Then I see my short falls. Then I find >grace. Then, the quantum change happens and I find happiness. > >Then, sometimes I find the courage to look into the turbulent indigos. With >confidence. Sometimes. > >Thanks for your honesty. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:18:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Birthday card (2 more centavos) Evian wrote: > If the card focused on just these > gatherings, etc., then I think that some of us would end up feeling left > out and not really a part of the whole project. How about, if we do the > big card idea with the photos, distribute as evenly as possible a ratio > of personal pics of JMDL'ers and the gatherings? I thought that the gathering pics would be in addition to pics of everyone from the list who wanted to send photos in and assumed that Paul's original suggestion was certainly not meant to exclude anyone else. Just in fantasy I love the idea of a billboard on Sunset but that would probably run us several thousand dollars just for one week!! And I now have this sweet image of Wally with a big bag slung over his shoulder like Santa Claus delivering the Joni cards! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:23:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Mariana Concert Review Michael wrote: > Thanx for the concert review on Paula. I love the way you write. I > would have loved to go with you to that show. Sorry I missed the show and glad Mariana had a great experience. Paula was my fave performer at Stormy Weather (next to Joni). She blew me away. >I hope to be in LA in January 99 for Namm convention in Anaheim. Kakki and > I already have plans to meet so she can check out the convention. Are > you in? I need to secure passes soon cause they are hard to get. Have a > great week end. Yay! You can join us for the West Coast JMDL Van Gogh Fest in January, too! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #350 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?