From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #349 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 349 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: lost Hejira and more (long, JC) [Robert Holliston ] Joni's Birthday Card ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Rolling Stone Report on Garden Performance [Medric Faulkner ] The jig is up [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (NJC) ["Bill Huang" ] please label njc [Bill Dollinger ] Re: The jig is up ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] mtv award thoughts [Bill Dollinger ] Re: lost Hejira and more (long, JC) [PMcfad@aol.com] recommendations (njc) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card ["Ken (Slarty)" ] lost hejira typo [PMcfad@aol.com] RE: The contest NJC [Howard Motyl ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Lost Hejira [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: mtv award thoughts ["Deb Messling" ] Trouble Man [Michael Paz ] Re: lost hejira typo [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: mtv award thoughts ["Don Rowe" ] Re: mtv award thoughts [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] Joni tapes [Cblakey5@aol.com] Re: The jig is up (in Ireland) [jan gyn ] Today in Joni History - September 11 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [Marsha ] My Take On The NEJoniFest (JC? you decide) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [Jill Tamada ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Joni's Birthday Card [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday Card ["Kakki" ] Today in Joni History - September 12 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [Mark Domyancich ] MTV awards (and Herbie Hancock) ["Deb Messling" ] New JMDL Guitar Page [Mark Domyancich ] Joni's Birthday Card [Bounced Message ] Vancouver concert? [Ken Huish ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday Card [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday Card(NJC) [Marsha ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card njc ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card ["Julie Z. Webb" ] RE: september 5, 1998... (njc) [trxschwa ] RE: Joni's Birthday Card [trxschwa ] Paula Cole at the Trou 9/9/98 [Marilune@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: lost Hejira and more (long, JC) Dear PJ, Thank you once again for a deeply insightful and thought-provoking post! I will never hear those lyrics from Black Crow again without thinking about your homeless friend. Same thing with "Not to Blame" - the song itself is not depressing (it is poignant), but it asks the listener to contemplate something that is horrible and ugly, something that we routinely ignore (as a society...and as individuals, God help us all!). To my ears, Joni has, once or twice, asked us to go beyond the music and into the words (one of the many reasons I regret not being at the NEJonifest is that I didn't get to hear Claud's version of "Conversation," one of the saddest songs I've ever heard....) Turbulent Indigo doesn't make me happy, I can't help it! All of it moves me, and all of it makes me wonder at Joni's mastery of words and music, but I continually push the pause button after every song so that I can have some time to digest and try to understand what I've just heard. So, when I hear Not To Blame or The Magdalene Laundries or Cherokee Louise [NRH's the same] or Borderline - and of course there may be more! - well, I can't accept that this is just a part of what we, as a society, have to accept! Not all of us get buried anonymously for no reason, not all of us have stepfathers who yank us to our knees! It's a major chord that accompanies these words: "Peg O'Connell died today..." - I don't want these words to be part of everyday life, or even part of a song: I want the situation that spawned them to be erased from the world forever! Odd, when I first joined this list, all I wanted was for Joni to paint another Hejira again, man! Thanks to the patient intervention of several JMDLers, I listened to Turbulent Indigo with fresh ears (and, more important, an open heart). To me, it is an infinitely sad album, one I carry around with me in a state of impotent guilt, because it forces me to think about and confront issues that I'd rather ignore, because (I think) I can do nothing to help. Well, you asked me to listen to Borderline right after Not To Blame. Borderline is a great, great song. Not to Blame makes me feel so sad and helpless to help... I will always wonder whenever I listen to Not To Blame: What were this girl's aspirations? Did she fight with her brother? Did she put Leonardo diCaprio photos on her wall with colored thumb tacks? Did her mother and father cry when they learned of their daughter's death? Will anyone plant flowers on her grave? What will they do with her CD collection? Who will explain things to her friends, her siblings, her coffee club mates?? Is there anyone among her husband's friends who cares enough about her memory that he tries, at least, to convince her husband not to beat the shit out of his second wife? And The Magdalene Laundries is just as lacerating to listen to: will this lonely girl be missed? Will anybody at the local pub notice that she's not there on Saturday night? Will the clerk at the local chemist's notice that Peg didn't come in from the cold, as she always did, to buy a few cheap postcards? Will anybody miss the other girls, the ones who died of an easily treatable disease that is even easier to ignore? How deep and comforting is the sigh of relief when a girl dies before she can embarrass her community! That's what I hear when I listen to "Not To Blame" and "The Magdalene Laundries" from Turbulent Indigo, and these are the saddest songs I have ever heard! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:59:05 +0100 From: "secret" Subject: Re: HDCD and Joni >truer in sound quality (capturing the 20 bits instead of 16) for an upgrade Wow.......that's 4 more bits. I want one of those. Philip - - the nerd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:19:04 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Joni's Birthday Card It's soon coming time to start work on the JMDL Birthday Card. Last year because of the shortage of time I sort of dictated the ideas and didn't give too much time for discussion. This year I think it would be a good idea for everyone to get involved right from the start and submit ideas for the presentation of the card. After the ideas are submitted we can then all vote on our favorite. DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR IDEAS YET. I will ask Les to set up a place to post your ideas to then we can show them all at once. Now is the time to start thinking! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 05:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Rolling Stone Report on Garden Performance List, The reporter/critic was evidently at a different performance than I was. The croud was responsive to and respectful of Joni. In fact,we were in rapt awe. His statement that her set list was like spinach: Full of vitamins but you would rather have ice cream, can only be described with Albert Finney's line from The Dresser that all critics are crippled, mentally deficient or dead. I E-mailed Rolling Stone my critique of their reporter this morning. Medric Faulkner _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:56:00 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni auction Is there any news of the auction of an old Joni tape including songs like Melody in Your Name? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:04:04 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: The jig is up For those of you not fortunate enough to be watching the MTV video awards, our beloved Joni participated in 3 vignettes. I assume all were produced by MTV, because they have done the "Influences" pieces before. MANY of which, artists have sited Joni as an influence. I'd say they run from 15 to 30 seconds each. First of the "Influences" Joni sites Billie Holiday, others in the same segment are siting Joni (Sarah, Ani, someone I didn't know) The second vignette was JUST JONI, sitting there describing her admiration for the composition of Janet Jackson's Got Til It's Gone (The play of the 3 voices story). I assume kids were sitting in there living rooms thinking "who is THIS lady?" What was most wonderful was how Joni described the music using her (cigarette free) hands through the air. A third segment was "influences" as well. Joni admired Patsy Kline (sp) and Slllyyyyyy of the Family Stone. Others again, site Joni. A magnificent gift to the black hole of Joni PR. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:35:17 +0800 From: "Bill Huang" Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (NJC) i would respectfully suggest that you listen to 'shameless', 'untouchable face', and 'adam and eve' from her dilate album, and '32 flavors', to name but one, from her excellent not a pretty face collection (forget alana davis' fairly-recent cover version, now *that's* contrived). she may not have the greatest pipes, but she can play the heck out of a six-string, and, whether you like or hate her attitude, i hardly think it's a put-on or an affectation. she writes, she sings, she plays, and to top it off, she owns her label. in short, whether you come to like her or hate her, i suggest a second chance. np: joaquin rodrigo: works for solo guitar by angel romero - ---------- > From: Helen Gill > To: Don Rowe > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (NJC) > Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 8:19 AM > > > Oh, my sentiments exactly. Hurray, someone else doesn't see what's so good > about this annoying, fairly contrived in my opinion, person. yay! > > Helen. > > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Don Rowe wrote: > > > Okay, just heard "As Is" by Ani DiFranco, and I paid attention since > > I've been hearing such good things about her here on the jmdl. And I > > ah, just don't get it folks. She whined her way through banal lyrics > > covered by a predictable, flat sounding guitar plinking in front of a > > brushed drum kit. So is this it? Is this song indicative of her work? > > Help me out here. > > Don Rowe > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:35:20 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: The jig is up DKasc13293@aol.com wrote: Joni admired Patsy Kline (sp) Normally I would let this type of thing pass but this is Patsy CLINE (with a 'C') you're talking about here, Duane, one of the most incredible singers ever to walk the face of the earth. Billie Holiday & Patsy Cline...my, our Joni certainly does have good taste! I'm putting a slightly hestitant toe back into the waters of country music mainly because of Michael Y, Sherrie Goode, Bill D & a few others on the list. I bought 'Honky Tonk Angels' (Dolly, Tammy & Loretta) which is awesome and also the new Dolly Parton which has some great new songs on it. I also now own 2 Lucinda Williams cds and I think she's GREAT! I don't know if you would consider Lucinda a country singer...sometimes she sounds like Loretta Lynn but when she rips out a blues number she reminds me of Janis Joplin. In record stores I've seen her stuff in both the folk & rock categories but I don't think she's been in the country bins. Mark in Seattle....'it wasn't God who made honky tonk angels'... and on Dolly's new album 'Why don't more women sing honky tonk songs?' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:56:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: please label njc Please remember to label posts that are not joni related as njc (no joni content). On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Helen Gill wrote: > > > ><< Isn't Syndey (Sydney???) Omarr the Bridge (the card game) guy? >> > > > > > >No, Sydney Omarr is the horoscope guy. You must be thinking of the actor from > > >Lawrence of Arabia (?) and Funny Girl whose name escapes me at the moment, > > but > > >is a renowned bridge expert > > > > Sydney Poitier? Sydney Greenstreet? > > Sydney Harbour Bridge? (I've heard it plays a mean Blackjack) > > H. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:19:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: The jig is up On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Mark or Travis wrote: > Normally I would let this type of thing pass but this is Patsy CLINE > (with a 'C') you're talking about here, Duane, one of the most > incredible singers ever to walk the face of the earth. Billie Holiday & > Patsy Cline...my, our Joni certainly does have good taste! And don't forget Edith Piaf. Another great. Another influence. All three are incredible. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: mtv award thoughts what a thrill to see joni's segment on the mtv awards! nice black and white format of her doing what i find almost as entertaining as her music - just talking. she talked about the influence of chuck berry on big yellow taxi (something about it being thought of as folk because it was done on an acoustic guitar, but the true feeling of the song was very berry). Her description of the 3 musical parts that were interwoven through the janet jackson song was priceless, the way she sang the "why do you wanna go and do that?" line was endearing. reprise should get a lot of credit for this one! i taped the show, and have not seen all of it, but i did see madonna's impressive performance of ray of light with lenny kravitz on guitar (she won for best female video.) i don't know what's up with her british accent tho. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:29:56 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: lost Hejira and more (long, JC) Roberto, I understand you real good. And I can't say anything to improve your perceptions. All your questions ring true to me, and TI brings us up front to the dark side. Look at some vanGogs. www.openface.ca/~vangogh/painting I can tell you Roberto, sometimes those clashes turn beautiful for me. It's like a quantum change. No in between. What appears desolate and desparing instantly becomes rich and powerful. And it happens over time, after looking real close for a long time at my self. The things I see or hear that bring me down always come back to my inside. Then I see my short falls. Then I find grace. Then, the quantum change happens and I find happiness. There is a singer named Michael Kelly Blanchard. His music turned my fears around. He sings a line, ' the cost of all love comes in the broken heart. thank god there is forgiveness, to mend the broked heart. ' This helps me get past the eye sores. You are right, not all of us get burried anonymously. But when one person does, it seems to hurt us all. If it happens once, ti can happen twice. It can happen to anyone. So we look inside, and let the breaks mend. Then, we reach out. Then maybe one less person is anonymous. Then, sometimes I find the courage to look into the turbulent indigos. With confidence. Sometimes. Thanks for your honesty. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: recommendations (njc) i just finished reading the grace slick autobiography, "Somebody To Love? " and i highly recommend it. It's all there - the outrageous exploits of the original acid queen. It is at times thoughtful and at times dripping with sarcasm, with interesting insight into the political, musical and sexual heydeys of the 60s. The joni mention is brief, and most of it has already been posted here. You also learn about her one night fling with jim morrison (including a description of a certain aspect of his anatomy), learn about her invitation to tricia nixons tea party at the white house where she and abbie hoffman were planning to dose tricky dick with lsd, and learn about the ups and downs of flying with the Airplane. Bill NP - Billy Bragg, Mermaid Avenue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:03:48 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card Just a foot note to my last post. I don't want to imply that we shouldn't discuss our ideas openly I just don't want to have formal submissions just yet as they might get misplaced or lost. Kenny Grant has an idea that I quite like but I'll let him open up the discussion about it. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:03:59 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: lost hejira typo friends, my apologies. i left an ugly typo at the end of my post last night. i like to hold a post for a day or two, to proof, but yesterdays was real time and it had to go last night before i went home from work. what said song for carol should haved said the obvious. actually, today i would have inserted black crow there. that fits better. i hate typos. they are like cold sores. really stick out. great day today. pj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:13:56 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: The contest NJC Ok, I haven't received a ton of responses yet. But I will tell you that only one person has two out of three correct. It's a funny contest becuz you don't know me that well--if at all--so guessing is just that. I don't know if you would have any basis for making an educated guess. I could answer questions, I guess. Hmm. Like maybe what my favorites are on other albums and you could deduce a pattern. And should I tell you how many you have wrong? So, you can try again. Hmm. So many questions? Such an important contest. How I wanted to watch the Vid Awards but I didn't have my MTV--it was out on my cable system. Pee-oh'ed! BTW--do you folks have any good Beanie Baby stories? I am doing a tape about the little monsters and am looking for anything to fill the tape. Heartwarming, heartbreaking. Vicious, hilarious. Whatever. Thanks. NP: The English Patient soundtrack - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions 16101 South 108th Avenue Orland Park, IL 60462 708-873-3190 708.873.3177 Fax http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 15:20:31 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card Well I don't have a concrete idea in terms of theme, design, content, etc. I'd like it to be something we all can sign of course, like last year. What I suggested to Ken off line is that whatever it is, I'd like it to be BIG...real BIG...6 feet tall! Something she can't miss! Possibly, something that will even evoke a response or post to the JMDL :-) -Kenny On 9/11/98 11:03AM, "Ken (Slarty)" wrote: Just a foot note to my last post. I don't want to imply that we shouldn't discuss our ideas openly I just don't want to have formal submissions just yet as they might get misplaced or lost. Kenny Grant has an idea that I quite like but I'll let him open up the discussion about it. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:06:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Lost Hejira Pat, that was a beautiful post. It brought tears to my eyes. You have a very eloquent way of dealing with your bad days. All best wishes, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:46:31 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card I was thinking very much along the same line as Kenny. I picture a full size guitar shaped card. Maybe we could past our photos on the guitar in the shape of guitar picks. The name of the Guitar in place of Gibson or what ever would of course be JMDL and have a heart after the jmdl like on the banner from Woodstock. Kenny Grant wrote: > What I suggested to Ken off line is that whatever it is, I'd like it to be > BIG...real BIG...6 feet tall! > > Something she can't miss! > > Possibly, something that will even evoke a response or post to the JMDL :-) > > -Kenny > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:26:37 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: mtv award thoughts Is this the kind of show that MTV will re-run? (she asked wistfully) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:15:11 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Trouble Man Ashara wrote: "All I can say, is that I have flown a great distance with my flock, and I will "never" forget the journey. " Ashara- Great post. I still haven't done my part 2 yet. Partly cause Kakki did such a great job with Sunday. We had a blast! The feelings keep washing over me and I am compelled to write more, but work has me down right now. I have been really enjoying reading everyones accounts of the party of the decade. I DO HAVE SOME BIG NEWS!!!! I got an advance copy of the Herbie Hancock's Gershwin thing with JM doing Summertime and if they were not enough to make my thursday, I also got the Kyle Eastwood CD with JM doing Trouble Man. If I get any higher this week...I hope I get around to hearing the rest of the songs on these albums, but for now I keep playing them over and over. I am still watching for Atty. May to come up on the list from the beautiful Plum Island. My pics came back today and they are so fab. I gotta get them up soon, (but as Ashara can testify I have to procrastinate just a little bit). Be well all my friends. peace and love, Michael NP-Trouble Man-JM w/KE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:15:32 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: lost hejira typo don't you worry about it--i know how you feel about typos (feeling the same way myself) but your post itself was what mattered. my heart goes out. ray NP: Patty Griffin, Patty Griffin, Patty Griffin (and some Lauren Hill--er, I mean Lauryn!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:19:26 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: mtv award thoughts Deb asks ... >Is this the kind of show that MTV will re-run? (she asked wistfully) > Yes ... over and over and over again. :-) Don Rowe > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:22:48 -0700 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: mtv award thoughts Deb wrote> Is this the kind of show that MTV will re-run? (she asked wistfully) Debbie...usually they repeat these shows over the weekend and sometimes even weeks after the event, so I'm sure it will be on quite a few times to come... Best, Davina - -----Original Message----- From: Deb Messling To: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:24 AM Subject: Re: mtv award thoughts Is this the kind of show that MTV will re-run? (she asked wistfully) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:08:42 EDT From: Cblakey5@aol.com Subject: Joni tapes Having been out of circ for a bit, I have missed out on some tape trees. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to dub copies for me (cassette/video). I have some nice items I could dub for you in return. Thanks in advance. Carole who liked the Song For Carol typo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:15:44 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The jig is up (in Ireland) Man I'm glad I saw that MTV awards thing. I usually avoid those things like a hair shirt, but I got invited to a veiwing partae, and the promise of free pizza reeled me in (BTW, pizza from the branch 'Cybelle's' is mediocre). Loved Joni (duh), but still (Stiller?) hated everything else. Well, I guess the Beastie Boys were OK. There was a truly weird skit with Ben Stiller as Bruce Springsteen meeting Puff Daddy... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:14:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 11 1974: Joni joined the European leg of the CSNY tour, as did Jesse Colin Young, her old friend from the New York folk circuit. [Today], Joni and Jesse appeared at Wembley stadium, along with the Band, at an event unlikely to be forgotten by anyone lucky enough to attend. 10 days later, Sounds Magazine publishes a story on Joni's appearance at the event. It reads "...an artist who relies on this special brand of audience-performer rapport, loses some of the magic in an exaggerated situation like the Wembley superconcert. Despite excellent support from Tom Scott and the L A Express who smoothly decorate her stories, Joni Mitchell does not belong in a performing situation the size of the mammoth stadium. Too many of the lovely subtleties so integral to her music were swallowed up by the gargantuan sound system." Read the entire article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/sounds740921.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:24:09 -0700 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: The jig is up (in Ireland) (VLJC) >Jan wrote: Man I'm glad I saw that MTV awards thing. I usually avoid those things >like a hair shirt, but I got invited to a veiwing partae, and the promise >of free pizza reeled me in (BTW, pizza from the branch 'Cybelle's' is >mediocre). Loved Joni (duh), but still (Stiller?) hated everything else. >Well, I guess the Beastie Boys were OK. There was a truly weird skit with >Ben Stiller as Bruce Springsteen meeting Puff Daddy... To me the only cool thing about the show were the Joni influence snips. Yeah the Beasties were cool, but I get peeved when these "artists" use a crappy awards show as a forum to go off on world politics. Just ain't the time or place. But that's IMHO. Stiller is a trip, did you see the way the audience wasn't reacting to him? The skits were awful. I still crack up at Chris Rock from last year after Marilyn Manson's appearance.... Anybody else remember the "Go straight to church...line"? I actually enjoyed seeing Marilyn's new look and act last night, I'll pick up his latest. Seeing Marilyn on stage with back-up singers was interesting. Quite a far cry from his days at the Roxy with the Smells Like Children weird props. Hey where was twiggy last night??? Davina np: Everybody's in it for their own gain.....a lot of people asking for my time.... - -----Original Message----- From: jan gyn To: Joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 10:21 AM Subject: Re: The jig is up (in Ireland) >Man I'm glad I saw that MTV awards thing. I usually avoid those things >like a hair shirt, but I got invited to a veiwing partae, and the promise >of free pizza reeled me in (BTW, pizza from the branch 'Cybelle's' is >mediocre). Loved Joni (duh), but still (Stiller?) hated everything else. >Well, I guess the Beastie Boys were OK. There was a truly weird skit with >Ben Stiller as Bruce Springsteen meeting Puff Daddy... >-jan > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:41:32 -0400 From: The Yarn Kollection Subject: Back In The Land Of Joni Hi All, Happy Birthday's around the house to all who came forth in the month of September. On each ones personal day may you be Queens and Kings and live life with a special largeness that day. This morning while driving to the post office to pick up my mail I'm tuned to my fav radio station WXPN. Floating over the air waves and directly into my conscience I hear: "I'm going to take you to my secret place ... ... " Need I say more!!!! JONI !!! When I got home I immediately call the station and thank them for playing Joni. Raving about the Gorge and Garden concerts. I also asked if they had received her latest cd TTT. The dj said she thought she saw that it had come in. My response to this ( which got a big, pleasant laugh from her) was: " Girl friend !! Don't do that to me. Go over to the bend of new arrivals and make sure!! If it's there let the world hear a cut or two. If not please get it. Playing Sex Kills, Not To Blame or Borderline would momentarily help to keep you in my good graces." While laughing she said: Believe me I will do the best that I can." I said: "Great, You got my ear so play to it, and thanks very much." ... ... She asked for my name and where I was from. In a lower voice I heard her say, as if to herself or writing it down -- Play more Joni and look for TTT. Since they had just played "My Secret Place" just moments before I'm not expecting to hear another Joni cut with in the next hour. But keep those calls and emails to your fav radio stations flowing. Let them know that we want MORE JONI ON THE AIR. It's been great reading all the reports from the latest Jonifest. Each new one that takes place will have it's own personality and character. But they will all speak to the natural high we get from sharing our love of Joni and music with each other face to face and spirit to spirit. I'm sorry I could not get to the one at Ashara's. But glad that all who attended had a blast with life long memories to hold on to. Plus the shared hope and willingness to attend more. Optimus, Optimus. Joni Rocks and so does the JMDL. Mendi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:49:58 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card Ken (Slarty) wrote: > > I was thinking very much along the same line as Kenny. I picture a full size guitar > shaped card. > Maybe we could past our photos on the guitar in the shape of guitar picks. The name > of the Guitar in place of Gibson or what ever would of course be JMDL and have a > heart after the jmdl like on the banner from Woodstock. I like this a lot. Another suggestion: I like my parody photo of my version of TTT called "I's a Muggin' with Mugsy!" (Kakki's kitty), and that is the photo I want used of me for Joni's BD card. You can see it half-way down the page at: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/party9805.htm Would it be toooo redundant for everyone to do a cute TTT-type pose, or even one from your favorite album or Joni photo? There is plenty of time to get our mugs into the committee or jpeg a version. I like the idea of a quick pan photo deal, instead of poetry and long prose to her, since I think she might be too busy to read and respond. A once-over kind of huge card with us on it would be peachy I think for our Scorpio girl. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:36:47 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: My Take On The NEJoniFest (JC? you decide) As I still am coming to grips with the fact that I missed out on this event due to NorthWest's strike, I thought I'd just drop a short note about my thoughts and muses. First, this incredible list has offered me the unique opportunity of making some wonderful friends- some whom I've met, some whom I'm aching to meet (hey grammer police- is it whom or who..or whomers..). Ashara, who(m) I feel such a kinship to and who I was so looking forward to having met (Waaaahhh), thanks for trying everything in your power to get me out to Boston. I hear it was quite a musical happening. And dear Marian, my musical soulmate. How I was looking forward to connecting up again! I spent weeks and weeks brushing up on my Jonijingles and learning new songs, hoping to come home with songs I'd learned from you (did you play I Think I Understand??). I missed watching those fingers fly and awing over your perfect ear. Chin dropping even more. ChuckE! I lost the chance of hearing Rainy Night LIVE from Boston. So, I'm sad, so sad that I missed out on meeting some of my newer online friends play. And what a bummer to have missed my "old" pals- dear JULIEEEEE, Marsha, Kakki, Jim , Poyl, Patrick, Heather, Michael, whodidImiss?? But I sure did enjoy reading all of your reports. So, until we meet again, I am BostonBummed Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:44:18 -0700 From: Jill Tamada Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card There's this great big billboard on Sunset Blvd........ - -Jill > > Kenny Grant wrote: > > > What I suggested to Ken off line is that whatever it is, I'd like it to be > > BIG...real BIG...6 feet tall! > > > > Something she can't miss! > > > > Possibly, something that will even evoke a response or post to the JMDL :-) > > > > -Kenny > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:46:01 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card In a message dated 9/11/98 11:48:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, slarty@total.net writes: << I was thinking very much along the same line as Kenny. I picture a full size guitar shaped card. >> Since Joni loves Van Gogh, how about a blow up of his self portrait? We could send in tiny photos of ourselves and plaster them on him. Then she'd know what we look like! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:47:56 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card ...or..cut out her lyrics, place them on her or a Van Gogh pix digitally, like Chuck Close. Terry, stop me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:49:52 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card In a message dated 9/11/98 11:47:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, slarty@total.net writes: << What I suggested to Ken off line is that whatever it is, I'd like it to be > BIG...real BIG...6 feet tall! > >> I suggest that our birthday card to Joni be a collage of photos from the JMDL events and gatherings since her last birthday, including Julie's Jonifest in Pittsburgh, the West Coast concert tour, Joni and the JMDL at Woodstock and Ashara's Labor Day Jonifest and any other appropriate photos as may be submitted. The collage and a Happy Birthday wish with the roundup of usual suspects' signatures. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:18:56 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni's Birthday Card Paul wrote: <<>> I think this is a great idea! - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:17:29 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card In a message dated 9/11/98 3:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org endorsed my idea: << >> >> To which I add: The card should carry the message: "Thank you, Joni, for bringing us together and keeping us together. Happy birthday from the Joni Mitchell Discussion List." Paul I. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:48:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card Paul suggested: > I suggest that our birthday card to Joni be a collage of photos from the JMDL > events and gatherings since her last birthday, including Julie's Jonifest in > Pittsburgh, the West Coast concert tour, Joni and the JMDL at Woodstock and > Ashara's Labor Day Jonifest and any other appropriate photos as may be > submitted. The collage and a Happy Birthday wish with the roundup of usual > suspects' signatures. I like this idea very much. Also, it might be nice to enclose with the card a little album or packet of the best photos of Joni taken by Pearl, Marsha, Leslie, Sue Mc and others at the various concerts. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:15:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 12 1994: (From Wally's bio page): [Today] Joni and Larry stopped by Santa Monica, Ca. radio station KCRW-FM and taped a broadcast with DJ Chris Douridas for his excellent series "Morning Becomes Eclectic." This hour-long broadcast is noteworthy because of the stellar sound, and the fact that Joni and Larry were performing together on the air for perhaps the last time. In conversation, Joni spoke of their separation for the first time, and said they were obviously still friends. Two songs of the seven they performed that day have appeared on disc. "Moon at the Window" has appeared as a B-side for Joni's "How Do You Stop" CD single, and "Just Like This Train" came out on KCRW's "Rare On Air: Volume 2." The show was broadcast on the morning of October 25th. Read the full story at: http://www.JoniMitchell.com/LARadio94.html Info on obtaining the "Rare On Air" CD is at: http://www.kcrw.org/g/roa2.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:37:40 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card I see no problem including these photos but if it is ONLY these pics I'm afraid it would leave out a lot of people who could not be at these events. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I suggest that our birthday card to Joni be a collage of photos from the JMDL > events and gatherings since her last birthday, including Julie's Jonifest in > Pittsburgh, the West Coast concert tour, Joni and the JMDL at Woodstock and > Ashara's Labor Day Jonifest and any other appropriate photos as may be > submitted. The collage and a Happy Birthday wish with the roundup of usual > suspects' signatures. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:43:17 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card Hmmmm.... I don't like the big card idea-I think we should do something small. That way it would be more personal. I really like the signature idea from last year's card. _________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | |_______________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:46:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card I like that-but I'd leave out the 'keeping us together' part-a lot of people have left this list because other people have flamed them (Or others). Mark, opinionated today for once! :) At 3:17 PM -0400 9/11/98, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >To which I add: >The card should carry the message: "Thank you, Joni, for bringing us >together and keeping us together. Happy birthday from the Joni Mitchell >Discussion List." >Paul I. _________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | |_______________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:04:08 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: MTV awards (and Herbie Hancock) RockOnTV says that the video awards will indeed be rebroadcast Saturday at noon and Sunday at 11. I'm assuming the Joni content occurs during the awards show proper, as opposed to the pre- and post- shows?? RockOnTV also says Herbie Hancock will be on CBS News Sunday, 9 AM. (I'm assuming all these times are E.S.T. but what do I know). Finally, RockOnTV says: This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed in whole or in part, without permission. If you cite an individual listing in a newsgroup, mailing list, an online forum, or in print or broadcast media, please credit this service as the source. The credit should read exactly as follows: "RockOnTV - the ultimate guide to music on television. http://www.rockontv.com" (Sheesh!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:57:36 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: New JMDL Guitar Page Hi everyone! Les has graciously given me the space to move my guitar page to the JMDL. Thanks, Les! :) And also a big thanks to Marian for uploading my pages! My complete file list is: - -Amelia - -Big Yellow Taxi (The newer live version) - -Black Crow - -Blue Motel Room - -Carey (For guitar) - -The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines - -Love's Cries/Crazy Cries of Love - -Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (A HUGE accomplishment with big thanks to 2 of my guitar buddies, Marian and Howard! :) - -God Must Be A Boogie Man - -Woman of Heart and Mind (A little more detail than Sue's) - -Hejira (For standard tuning-sounds really weird!) - -Hunter (The Good Samaritan) - -Night In The City (A la Leslie Mixon's version) - -A Strange Boy Intro (In open D) - -Sunny Sunday - -Turbulent Indigo - -The Windfall I would really like to clean up Turbulent Indigo and God Must Be A Boogie Man. I hope to have those completed this weekend. The URL: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark/ And be sure to check out Marian's and Howard's: Marian: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm Howard: http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~haw/ _________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | |_______________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:42:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni's Birthday Card From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:54:57 -0700 Instead of creating one birthday card, why not create many of them. Each person on the joni list could assemble their own birthday card creation and then we could combine all of them into some type of large, artistic birthday montage. Davina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Huish Subject: Vancouver concert? According to "The WestEnder", a community newspaper in Vancouver, Joni is "planning a soft-seater concert tour here in support of her latest, more pop-influenced CD". Has anyone else heard anything about this rumour?? I caught her show back in May but would love to go again. Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theatre. ~ Gail Goodwin ~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my school's website at http://www.ilsc-vancouver.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:01:12 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card well i like the billboard idea, in a part of LA that gets some traffic and she is, if not likely to drive by, certainly likely to hear about. she would love it, and it would get some people wondering what the jmdl is, and some advertising for the homepage as well. of course i have no idea how much renting one of them for a week might cost... something classy. joni worthy. public but personal. something to make her proud(er)!! - ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:01:10 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card well i like the billboard idea, in a part of LA that gets some traffic and she is, if not likely to drive by, certainly likely to hear about. she would love it, and it would get some people wondering what the jmdl is, and some advertising for the homepage as well. of course i have no idea how much renting one of them for a week might cost... something classy. joni worthy. public but personal. something to make her proud(er)!! - ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:11:16 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card(NJC) Mark Domyancich wrote: > > I like that-but I'd leave out the 'keeping us together' part-a lot of > people have left this list because other people have flamed them (Or > others). But they always come back in one form or another or another... ;-D Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:31:08 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card njc At 03:46 PM 9/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >I like that-but I'd leave out the 'keeping us together' part-a lot of >people have left this list because other people have flamed them (Or >others). The jmdl is certainly not a place for the thinned-skinned, and it's also completely ridiculous to expect that everybody would get along. A bunch of 'yes' men would be a bit boring, don't you think? Folks write things they sometimes don't mean (myself included) and jmdlers are known to apologize in their posts too. Perhaps, there is a site at www.campKumbaya.com where some of us would be most happy----I know I wouldn't be. The beauty of this internet community, for me, has been to oberve many people debate, argue, flame and **often** resolve, or simply forget about their conflicts over time. If people have left the list because of passionate debates that flare up, it's my guess---- they have deep issues surrounding conflict or cannot handle being disagreed with or challenged by occansional asshole-like behavior------in their non-cyber life as well.) I like Paul Ivice's idea just fine. JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:37:31 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card My Joni BD card would read: "The proud, the strong, the Mar.......I mean, the Joni Mitchell Discussion List" (just kidding just kidding just kidding) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:37:36 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: september 5, 1998... (njc) in addition to being the last full moon before the autumnal equinox (not solstice, you ninny), i've finally ferreted the other notable for 9/5. john cage's birthday. there were certainly some cagean moments at the fest, my reach for one or two notes can only be described as a 'chance operation'. patrick np - smiths - hfoh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:33:00 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Joni's Birthday Card paul wrote: >I suggest that our birthday card to Joni be a collage of photos from the JMDL events and gatherings since her last birthday, including Julie's Jonifest in Pittsburgh, the West Coast concert tour, Joni and the JMDL at Woodstock and Ashara's Labor Day Jonifest and any other appropriate photos as may be submitted. The collage and a Happy Birthday wish with the roundup of usual suspects' signatures. and then >To which I add: The card should carry the message: "Thank you, Joni, for bringing us together and keeping us together. Happy birthday from the Joni Mitchell Discussion List." and what a great idea, paul. joni is intrigued with the internet and how her fans are experiencing it, and has actively reached out to this community. certainly, as ken points out, the collage shouldn't be limited to gather shots, but i think as a theme it's brilliant. i hope it would move her. it'd be nice if other shots referred to our appreciation for joni. any shots of mark d. playing guitar out there? marsha's 'muggin' shot certainly belongs. are there any great photos from the fallingwater trek, barbara or dougie? patrick np - the smiths - hatful of hollow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:20:49 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Paula Cole at the Trou 9/9/98 WARNING: in order to fully appreciate this review, follow the directions below. if you think this is a whole lot of b.s., scroll down and read the review plain, but I warn you, it just won't be the same. 1. Okay, first off, do you own a Paula Cole CD? If you do not, skip these instructions and scroll to the review. a. heck yeah, i love her! (go to number 2) b. no, she's cool though (go to number 3) c. isn't she the one who doesn't shave? ewww! (go to number 4) 2. Put it on right now. It doesn't matter which one, though "This Fire" would be best, I believe. a. okay, got it (go to number 5) b. i can't i'm listening to [artist] and i just can't stop! (go to number 4) 3. Oh poor you, you're missing out. Well, in this case, turn on the radio and and flip until you find a Paula song a. okay cool (go to number 5) b. why? (go to number 4) 4. You [expletive expletive EXPLETIVE !#@$$%&@!(&%^#]. you do not deserve to read my review. i am now irritated. go away. 5. Turn it up as loud as possiblein your current situation a. yup, done (go to number 6) b. it's just as good soft, get on with it (go to number 4) 6. Brace yourself...I've got some news....bad news......ready? really ready? super ready? Ahem....YOUR CD IS WAY INADEQUATE! Thank you...now scroll down for the review. *Mariana (that's me, you know) learns something about OUTER-space INNER-space and HERSELF at the immaculate star PAULA COLE's 9/9/98 concert at the TROUBADOUR***** The first time I went to the Troubadour, it was to see the divine Elliott Smith. I wasn't really familiar with small clubs or the "music" scene really. This time, I can honestly say I knew the ropes better. I had one ticket, only because I knew no one would come see Paula Cole with me, but I felt perfectly comfortable standing in line to get in, squeezing my way to a great spot near the stage, and taking a poster off the wall (it's now on my wall 'o music, next to Sarah, Elliott, And Joni). I met up with a Crossroads alumni and we exchanged words on 11th grade hell, students, drugs, college...the usual stuff. The opening act was Sherri Jackson, who I liked a little. I was really pumped for Paula though. I had seen her at Lilith in '97. Suffice it to say that the Troubadour is a bit more intimate than Irvine Meadows. As the alumni said to me, "The size of this place is brilliant." The roadies began setting up the stage. Paula had a picture of Bob Marley (who I just cannot enjoy one little bit) set up at the back of the stage. Her piano was pushed to one side. The roadies put out candles, lit incense, and put a bunch of roses on the piano. When Elliott performed, he just rushed out onto the bare stage with his guitar and began to play. Paula was a little more elaborate. The crowd was mostly older, some hippies, college students, and people like me. Paula fans one and all. It was refreshing to be around people who aren't like, "Oh, isn't she the one who doesn't...shave?" when I mention that I like her. Get over yourselves. If you weren't so narrow and shallow, maybe you could appreciate it, scudballs. Her band took the stage and the guitarist began to play. Then Paula sauntered on stage, resplendent in a long flowy red skirt, black halter top, black cardigan sweater and white boa. She sang "Working Class Hero" among cheers. During the song, she shed her cardigan and boa. Paula looked so beautiful with her long shiny hair. She's an amazing performer. She did every song off "The Fire", excluding "Niestchze's Eyes", "Road to Dead", and "Hush Hush Hush". She also performed some off "Harbinger", "Bethlehem", "Hitler's Brothers", and "I Am So Ordinary". Throughout the entire show she was dancing and being so active and wonderful. Her voice is simply amazing. And she is so expressive! When singing "Bethlehem", she looked as if she was about to cry and so was I. In the middle of "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone", when she sings, "I will do the laundry while you go have a beer" she lifted her middle finger up in the air. Empowering, amazing! She played the piano sometimes, but mostly she was up dancing. She did a great 10 minute version of "Feelin' Love" which she said was her song about sex. My favorite songs "Throwing Stones" and "Mississippi" worked their way into the set too. I was dancing and cheering and having the greatest time. She got two encores. The first, she sang "I Am So Ordinary", sitting alone at the piano. Then she did "Carmen". For the second, she came on in a long black dress, black boa, black gloves, and platinum wig, to sing Edith Piaf's "La Vie En Rose". It was one of the most empowering, faboulous, wonderful concert experiences I've ever been too and I will cherish it always. It was a great way to really end summer. MARIANA'S Top FIVE Concerts on 97/98 in NO Order Sarah McLachlan at the Universal Amphitheatre Joni at Pauley Pavilion Paula Cole at the Troubadour Elliott Smith at the Troubadour Lilith '98 at the Rose Bowl - -mariana NP: dar williams, end of summer ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #349 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?