From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #347 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 347 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Share a Conversation or visit a Shop [Wally Breese ] Mojo Article (not really JC) [Evian ] Re: NJC Birthday Bill-Doll inger/Chili's dilemma [FredNow@aol.com] I love the jmdl [stevephoto@mindspring.com] Joni on AJ (long) [Robert Holliston ] re: Tape Tree #7 [Robert Holliston ] Re: NJC Birthday Bill-Doll inger/Chili's dilemma [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni on AJ (long) [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: hip is a herd mentality (now SJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Joni on AJ (long) ["Don Rowe" ] Joni on Radio! [kbarnicle@ensr.com] Re: Joni on Radio! ["Don Rowe" ] RE: hip is a herd mentality (now SJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] The contest SJC [Howard Motyl ] Triple M comes through once again! [Mary Pitassi ] Chicago Trib's Joni article [Sumiko Keay ] A Conversation With Ingrid [WirlyPearl@aol.com] RE: hip is a herd mentality (NJC) ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: (sort of ) Joni on Radio ["Reuben Bell3" ] For Free and Lol Coxhill ["secret" ] Howling nest of mice in CD Player (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com] Howling nest of mice in CD Player (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com] TTT Radio Play [Medric Faulkner ] HDCD & Joni ["Daugherty, Stephen" ] Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Request for Photo from Burbank taping [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (SJC) [Michael Yarbrough Subject: Share a Conversation or visit a Shop Hi everyone, I'm launching a new "Conversation" page today, as well as adding a brand new section to the Website. My "Conversation" is with Ingrid Pastorius, widow of Jaco Pastorius, famed bass player who has excelled on solo albums as well as on records as a member of the group Weather Report. Jaco is most famous to Joni-philes because he played his amazing bass on four of her albums in the late 1970s. Ingrid is a lovely and gracious woman and I enjoyed talking with her so much. Read our "Conversation" here: I'm also launching a brand new section on the JMHP called the "Shop." On this page, you'll be able to see what momentoes are for sale. The Internet Community shirts, exclusive photos of Joni in concert, and two original illustrations of Joni are all now available. One third of all proceeds from these items will go towards helping to pay expenses here on the JMHP (except for the shirt offer which is being handled by Les. In this deal, one half of any profits will go to each of the two sites.) Check out the merchandise here: Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:35:16 -0600 From: Evian Subject: Mojo Article (not really JC) Ok, I will fess up too... I am in desparate need of a photocopy of the MOJO article. I asked Ashara to get me one, but she got hers from someone else, and told me to email them to get one too. Of course, me being the totally shy person I am felt just too much like a burden to do it, but now that I see other people are in need of it too, I thought what the hell! I actually found a store in Saskatoon that carried MOJO, but they already had the September issue out. I really don't need the whole magazine, so if someone would want to photocopy it or something, I will pay for postage. God, I feel like such a mooch even asking for this since I still feel like I haven't made my presence known all that much on the list, but since I finally got the nerve to get the tape tree videos (thanks Ashara, and don't be modest, you ARE a wonderful person!!!) I thought I might as well go whole hog! Anyway, if someone would want to photocopy the article, I would much appreciate it! Evian NP: Talking Heads -- "Sand in the Vaseline" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:47:08 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Birthday Bill-Doll inger/Chili's dilemma In a message dated 9/10/98 2:02:28 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/9/98 8:45:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Harpua@revealed.net writes: > ><< Isn't Syndey (Sydney???) Omarr the Bridge (the card game) guy? >> > >No, Sydney Omarr is the horoscope guy. You must be thinking of the actor from >Lawrence of Arabia (?) and Funny Girl whose name escapes me at the moment, but >is a renowned bridge expert Sydney Poitier? Sydney Greenstreet? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:22:53 -0700 From: stevephoto@mindspring.com Subject: I love the jmdl I just wanted to say how much fun I've been having this week I inquired about "shadows and light " and I got the info I needed, and the posting of the joni-chicago tribune article along with a hyperlink straight to it... all I can say is: WOW :-) joni forever stevephoto@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Joni on AJ (long) Tonight I was channel surfing, and when I hit Channel 18, there she was! "In France They Kiss on Main Street," from the S&L video - I thought: Great! It's just starting.... Alas, it turned out to be an American Journal tabloid story, and not a happy one. It seems Jackson Browne is touring to promote his new album and the old controversy about "Not To Blame" is being resurrected. Jackson was quoted: "[Joni] is not a happy person. What she says is absolutely 100% not true. This is about carrying a torch for twenty years." He then reiterated his claim that Joni physically attacked him two times, and that she's harbored an obsession for him all these years. This was followed by a close-up of the TI self-portrait, and a voice-over which said something like, "Joni Mitchell declines to comment." I hope she continues to decline: she's behaving with dignity! Then some of the offending lyrics were highlighted (from Complete Poetry and Lyrics), including the ones that allegedly refer to Jackson Browne's wife Phyllis, who committed suicide in 1976. After that, there was news footage of Daryl Hannah, etc. Not To Blame was probably the first song on TI to really hit me in the solar plexus, particularly the last lines: "Not one wet eye around/Her lonely little grave/Said, 'He was out of line girl/You were not to blame'" Joni's always maintained that this song is about men who beat women: *not* specifically about O.J., *not* specifically about Jackson Browne. This is easy for me to accept - not once during the many times I've listened to this extraordinary song have I ever thought of O.J. or Jackson - I've though only about the poor nameless girl who's gone to her grave way before her time with nobody so much as shedding a tear for her. What I did remember while watching this was a letter sent to Rolling Stone by Haskell Wexler, who is Daryl Hannah's uncle (or other close relative) as well as one of the foremost cinematographers in American film. Wexler saw the bruises, and he cut Mr. Browne not one millimetre of slack.... Odd, I started this post intending only to alert my fellow Joniphiles to this TV appearance (especially as it included S&L footage), but it's made me think much more about what that song says, how deeply moving it is, how desolate and hopeless it makes me feel. Yes, it's a very uncompromising and depressing song, but unfortunately it's also part of the documentary of our time. Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: Tape Tree #7 I just want to thank Ron Nusca (my branch) and Simon (our trunk?) for making me one very happy leaf! Thanks, Ron, for doing this, and for including J-cards (which counts as going above and beyond the call of duty). Sigh! Roberto np: Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:59:54 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Birthday Bill-Doll inger/Chili's dilemma FredNow@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/10/98 2:02:28 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > >is a renowned bridge expert > > Sydney Poitier? Sydney Greenstreet? No that's Sydney Chaplin. He was in Funny Girl . Wait. No. Omar Bridgestone. No. He was ......... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:56:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Share a Conversation or visit a Shop What a treat, Wally. She is indeed a gracious woman. And what a wonderful job she has done raising her and Jaco's boy. Thanks, as always, for your efforts. Jerry np: Vonda Shepard - Songs from Ally McBeal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:12:13 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Share a Conversation or visit a Shop That should be boys. Lousy spellchecker. They only catch the mispellings, not the mistakes! Jerry Notaro wrote: > wonderful job she has done raising her and Jaco's boy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:12:01 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: hip is a herd mentality Thanks to Jerry for posting the Billboard article. Still in the middle but I loved this line in all its wisdom: "But hip is hindsight, so I stood my ground and plowed on. If you avoid doing what's cool, you won't have bell-bottom pants on your songs down the road." She will endure! Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:19:28 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on AJ (long) Roberto, what a great post on Not To Blame. Two things that I've noticed about that song. One, it is the only track to start on TI with a raw piano. Then, the syncopation of the chords start to come in, then the steel guitar. It is very jackson in flavor. Two, the next song on TI is Borderline and that is the only other song on the album to have a steel guitar playing within. Also, I think Joni likes to place her songs in a very particular order. I think they are very planned in sequence. Read the words to Borderline. Draw you own conclusions. You know the song Not To Blame is very characteristic of Joni. She seems to me to be an 'in your face' person. That is, at times, not only will she state the obvious, but she'll state it with passion. She lives real time. She notices the very present moment in detail: with your fist marks on her face Briget got that belly by her parish priest you snipe so steady, you snub so snide he'd piss in their fireplace the ulcerated ozone, these tumors of the skin sex kills Taking away the bite from her words would be like taking the blues and browns and greys away from vanGogh. It would be the heart of her work. I know by now, I live a little off the main stream of thinking, but this song, Not To Blame doesn't depress me. It is just classic Joni, done deeply in her craft. As for her reported attacks, well, I can see that. I wouldn't mess with her. My wife is the same way. I don't mess with her. What did jackson do to her? They never talk about that. Neither does Joni talk about that. Thanks for the post. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:27:57 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: hip is a herd mentality (now SJC) Sue writes ... >I loved this line in all its wisdom: > >"But hip is hindsight, so I stood my ground and plowed on. If you avoid >doing what's cool, you won't have bell-bottom pants on your songs down the >road." > I agree. But if you really want to know just how much hindsight is involved in "hip", you should come to the Midwest. Here, tried-and-true rebellion fads like tangerine Mohawk haircuts are alive and well. Then there are the Gothic costume lemmings in their turbulent indigo hair and corpse-face makeup ... and a host of other posers, each using a variant of an ages-old radical shabbiness to conceal the primal fears of their prolonged adolesence. Of course, that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong. :-) Don Rowe np: "Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:39:17 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Joni on AJ (long) PJ writes ... >I know by now, I live a little off the main stream of thinking, but this song, >Not To Blame doesn't depress me. It is just classic Joni, done deeply in her >craft. > Thanks for this very insightful post, and I'm going to throw my hat into that off-mainstream ring. "Not To Blame" doesn't depress me, in fact, nothing on TI depresses me. It's warmth of texture and deep, mature insight is, as you said, "classic Joni done deeply in her craft" ... ever notice how even the darkest songs on the album work their way into the sunlight of major keys? I wondered what was up with that for a long time ... but then I realized that Joni's sort of warning us to "be careful what we wish for", and that enlightenment often entails discovering things that are painful. I think TI embraces those painful aspects, and shows us that sorrow, lonliness and loss are a part of life's bargain. I trust I make myself obscure. ... but so be it. :-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:40:04 EDT From: kbarnicle@ensr.com Subject: Joni on Radio! Two things! 1. I am working on a story about Ashara's NE Joni Fest and will forward that as soon as possible. 2. I emailed a local radio station here in Boston (WBOS) about Joni and her new album and the Joni web sites and the morning Disc Jockey and I have been corresponding! She is very excited about Joni and wants to interview me on the radio! Yikes (what have I gotten myself into??). At a minimum, I hope to speak to her over the phone (off line) about the web sites and Joni's music. How exciting. I will let you know how this progresses. So, everyone start bugging your local radio stations. WBOS just got their copy of the TTT CD in the mail yesterday! All the best, Katie (Hi to all NE Joni Festers!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:55:08 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Joni on Radio! kbarnicle writes ... >She is very excited about Joni and wants to >interview me on the radio! Yikes (what have I gotten myself into??). How cool! But ah, shouldn't that subject line read "Katie on Radio"? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:02:31 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: hip is a herd mentality (now SJC) Don Rowe wrote about: <<>> Yeah, better that they should blindly follow a variant of ages-older conventional blandness to conceal their fears. That makes a lot of sense. As far as I'm concerned, someone wearing Van Heusen polyester slacks is just as likely to have primal fears or prolonged emotional adolescence as someone sporting an orange mohawk. I find the notion that someone should conform to a conventional notion of dress to prove their emotional maturity to be pretty ridiculous. There are lots of herd mentalities, and only some of them are hip. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:25:40 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: hip is a herd mentality (now SJC) > >There are lots of herd mentalities, and only some of them are hip. > >--Michael Yes, good point. I still get bogged down in that old feeling that it's important to be "cool." Boy that reminds me of Joni's song "Be Cool." Be your own best friend tonight ... why is that so hard to remember? I guess because I'm always bound and tied to someone ... ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:05:51 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: The contest SJC Dear list pals-- Privately, I had promised Julie that I would donate a couple of videotapes I had made as door prizes for the Jonifest. Somehow, I didn't get the dates in my head and never sent the tapes. So, after apologizing to Julie and getting her approval, I have decided to run a contest for the two tapes. First, the prizes--so if you have no interest, you don't have to enter. Two tapes from The Show & Tell Series--"Milk & Cookies" and "Bats & Balls". These tapes are made for children but adults love them as well because we go behind the scenes to see how these things are made. Sure, you may know that cows give us milk but do you know how many times they are milked each day? Have you ever seen the milk bottled? And do you know how many chocolate chip cookies Keebler produces in one day? Or how baseballs are made? All these questions will be answered if you win the contest. Here's the contest: Using these three albums: "Night Ride Home", "Dog Eat Dog", "Hejira", you must guess my favorite song from each of these albums. Get it? Got it? Good! The tie-breaker album: "Wild Things Run Fast". You guess all three correctly and you win the tapes--both real good, for free. Aren't you lucky? Send guesses privately, of course. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:21:41 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Triple M comes through once again! Madison/Verona's jewel of a radio station, WMMM 105.5, has again come through! This morning on my way to work, I flicked on the power to my car stereo system, and what did I hear but the opening bars to "Crazy Cries of Love"! And this track sounded absolutely *excellent.* I don't know whether Joni did any additional mixing or "tinkering" with the album after the KCRW interview in late March, or exactly what type of copy the radio station might have been broadcasting from. However, for whatever reason, what I heard this morning sounded far superior to the earlier copy of the song I have--and yes, to which I've listened many times in my car! Joni's vocal was especially compelling: smoky, husky, nuanced. Shorter's sax acted as an effective counterpoint. The DJ, who was playing the track as part of "new music Thursday," then announced the release date of TTT, making special mention of the album's original artwork. He said that Joni had recently been touring a little more, had performed at "A Day at the Garden," that a friend had met her backstage, and that Joni seemed "energized." Finally, the DJ said that he "kept hearing rumors" that Joni *was* in the process of putting a more extensive tour together, and that he hoped she would visit the midwest. OK, Joni. You've been to the (U.S.) East. You've been to the West. Come and meet us in the middle: we'll be there with bells on! Mary P. - --Energized myself by hearing Joni again on the airwaves, and thinking that Triple M is just the greatest (though I'm sure promotion doesn't hurt, either!). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:36:26 -0500 From: Sumiko Keay Subject: Chicago Trib's Joni article For those who did not get the Chicago Tribune's Joni Mitchell article yesterday you can find it on the metromix website: http://www.metromix.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:39:47 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: A Conversation With Ingrid Hi guys, It was with great pleasure and excitement that I read Wally's conversation with Ingrid Pastorious. As many of you may remember I met Ingrid at my garage sale last December and she is one of the most wonderful, warm people I've ever met. We've kept in touch with each other over the months by instant message and e-mail. She's always interesting and thoughtful. I was more that happy to get Ingrid and Wally together for this interview and glad that it turned out so well. Check it out. I'm sure you'll enjoy it too. For those of you who haven't been on the list since December I'm adding a slightly edited version of the day I met Ingrid. A FATEFUL ENCOUNTER December 21, 1997 Hi Joniphiles, I have a story to share about someone I met yesterday that I hope you find interesting. It might be long so be prepared. It might take a little while to get to the Joni part, but it's good. I was part of a multi-family garage sale on Saturday. I'll skip a lot of details and try to get to the fateful encounter I had with a very interesting woman. One of the items she inquired about was a large colorful weaving. I told her I had gotten it in Guatamala a few years ago near Lake Attitlan. She seemed very familiar with the area and we chatted about it for awhile. She said she would think about buying it and walked over to check out some of the other seller's stuff. Another guy came over interested in the weaving. So I went over and asked her if she was still interested. She said she had honeymooned there and it brought back special memories. My jaw dropped when she then said something about her husband being murdered (not in Guatamala) and maybe she didn't want the reminders. She said if the other guy really wanted it, her could have it. I asked her 3 times if she was sure because I didn't want her to regret not buying it, but she said "no, he knew right away that he wanted it and I wasn't sure, so it was meant for him." (It was only ten bucks...actually now I regret selling it.) She later came over to pay me for the items I was holding for her. She didn't have enough cash but I told her a check would be fine.($15) As I boxed her things she handed my husband Steve the check. ( He always asks if I mentioned him in my stories.) He looks at the check which said E. Ingrid Pastorius and and asks "Any relation to Jaco?" She said "Yes." Then he asked "Wasn't he murdered? (I hadn't remembered this) They chatted for a minute about his death and the circumstances of it, but she said not all of it was true. Then I mentioned that I'm a big Joni Mitchell fan and I remember him from the Shadows and Light tour. She said she remembered it too or something like that. She went back to talk to some other people. I had assumed she was a relative of his. It took me a minute to put together that SHE was his widow. Now I really needed to talk to her some more. Ingrid seemed to get into personal conversations with many of the people at the sale. She's a very warm person. I overheard her say something about doing home schooling with her 4 children and that she was taking things over to help at a homeless shelter tomorrow. I finally tore her away from chatting with the others when I offered her some blankets and things to bring. I wish I knew how to interview and had a better memory but I'll do my best with details of what we shared. (If only I could have had a hidden microphone.) She married Jaco and went on the Shadows and Light tour with him shortly afterward. She said Joni loved Jaco very much and had a relationship with him. Even after the relationship ended she still loved him. Ingrid and Joni got along OK on the tour but Ingrid felt they didn't get that close, perhaps because she was the only other woman on the tour, and Joni likes to be one of the boys, and she still had some feelings for Jaco. Joni was with Don Alias at the time. Ingrid said Joni was amazingly talented and professional on the tour and also during the making of the Mingus album but at times she was very insecure and needed encouragement from the other musicians. She said there was an underlying sadness to her and that the reunion with her daughter explained a lot. She said Joni was very close with her father. Ingrid had toured with Weather Report too and hated the grueling schedule of some 40 show in 45 days. She much preferred Joni's style of taking 4 or 5 days off in between shows. She said Joni paid extremely well. Even though Jaco was famous at the time, jazz musicians weren't paid much . Joni's salary helped them buy the house she still lives in, in Deerfield Beach, Fla. She has a guitar on her living room wall that Joni gave Jaco. She really hasn't been in touch with Joni since Jaco's death although Joni had sent a large bouquet of flowers at the time. Ingred did want to share a beautiful enounter she had with Joni recently. She had traveled to NY last year with her children. I know she has twin 15 year olds and a pregnant daughter in her 20's, maybe another child, I don't remember. Anyway, she was at the Metropolitan Museum. It was near closing time and they had wandered off into a gallery of Renaissance paintings (I think). It was very quiet and it seemed like they were alone. Suddenly one of the twins said "Isn't that Joni Mitchell over there?" Sure enough, there she stood. Joni stopped in her tracks when she saw one of the twins, Felix. Ingrid said he is the spitting image of his father. They shared a pleasant exchange and hugged. Ingrid was very touched by the experience. I told her that years ago I ran around with my guitar singing Joni songs. She said that when I mentioned that I loved Joni earlier she thought that I looked somewhat like her. I've heard it on occasion before, but it was quite a rush hearing it from her. Of course I told her about the Joni website and our wonderful discussion list. We exchanged phone numbers and screen names and hugged as we said our goodbyes. I actually hugged someone who hugged Joni! All in all it was a very touching experience. She is a very sweet, special lady and I'll try to keep in touch with her. I'm know I left out a lot of what she said. If I remember anything significant I'll share it with you. What she was doing at a garage sale in Hollywood, Fl about 25 miles from where she lives I'm not sure. I'm really grateful that she found me. I'm also happy that my hard work selling my stuff netted me $520. Bye for now, Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:26:59 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: RE: hip is a herd mentality (NJC) [As far as I'm concerned, someone wearing Van Heusen polyester slacks is just as likely to have primal fears or prolonged emotional adolescence as someone sporting an orange mohawk.] I agree...herds are herds. Argyle is hip too, but I'd take leather and an orange mohawk ANY day of the week. And as for prolonged emotional adolescence: who's to say what is an accurate meter of emotional states? There are many, many chameleons out there. feeling snappy today, Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:31:31 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: (sort of ) Joni on Radio There's a college station in Philadelphia, 88.5 WXPN that plays Joni quite frequently. ( I heard "Edith and the Kingpin" yesterday at lunch, and "Refuge of the Roads" today.) I'm going to call them tomorrow and see if they have a promo copy of TTT, and if so: will they please play the hell out of it and get the word out. Worth a shot, I guess. I have decided that I don't want to hear much of TTT until it is released; I love the 2 or 3 weeks before a Joni album comes out...the suspense and anticipation kills me. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:35:51 +0100 From: "secret" Subject: For Free and Lol Coxhill In the 1970's a British musician and all round good egg called Lol Coxhill became convinced that the clarinet player referred to in the song For Free was non other than his good self. The theory was that Joni Mitchell had spotted Lol on one of his busks around London Town and was so inspired that she wrote a song about him. Even two years after Joni announced from the stage of the Royal Festival Hall that the "noisy corner" where the inspiration took place was in fact situated in New York City, Lol still hadn't got the message. In 1974 he complained to Let It Rock magazine that not only had the Mitchell woman not credited him but she also got his instrument wrong. Lol, you see, was an alto sax man. The myth continued to spread, however, and every so often it would reappear in the UK music press when a writer was doing a retro peice on Joni Mitchell. Philip - - spreading some trivia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:17 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Howling nest of mice in CD Player (NJC) In a message dated 9/5/98 8:27:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Oh no! What does it mean if, when you first put a CD in, you hear a repeated funny little high-pitched whirring squeaking noise? And when you play the CD, there's noise and skips and momentary stuck places (not subtle - unlistenable). Can anyone help? >> A good clean is indeed what is needed. CD players are great at picking up dust, fluff , and also react badly to cigarette smoke (sorry Joni!) If a CD cleaning disk doesn't work , you can try the following procedure. It's crude but effective, but also entirely at your own risk (don't do it if your player is new and/or expensive - find a friendly repairer, technician or else invoke a guarantee). I've used it to resuscitate a couple of "dead" CD-ROM drives. (1) SWITCH OFF PLAYER & DISCONNECT FROM MAINS, BUT WITH TRAY OUT. LEAVE FOR AT LEAST 30 MINS (2) If you don't have one already, get one of the cans of inert gas aerosol that you can get from computer accessory suppliers (most often used by maintenance engineers to blast out the remains of the last few months sandwiches from PC keyboard). (3) "Blow out" the innards of the CD drive with the aerosol - i.e. point and shoot at the mechanical mechanism and the lens (if you can see them). (4) After a decent interval, switch on and try your CD again. Regards David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:12 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Howling nest of mice in CD Player (NJC) In a message dated 9/5/98 8:27:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Oh no! What does it mean if, when you first put a CD in, you hear a repeated funny little high-pitched whirring squeaking noise? And when you play the CD, there's noise and skips and momentary stuck places (not subtle - unlistenable). Can anyone help? >> A good clean is indeed what is needed. CD players are great at picking up dust, fluff , and also react badly to cigarette smoke (sorry Joni!) If a CD cleaning disk doesn't work , you can try the following procedure. It's crude but effective, but also entirely at your own risk (don't do it if your player is new and/or expensive - find a friendly repairer, technician or else invoke a guarantee). I've used it to resuscitate a couple of "dead" CD-ROM drives. (1) SWITCH OFF PLAYER & DISCONNECT FROM MAINS, BUT WITH TRAY OUT. LEAVE FOR AT LEAST 30 MINS (2) If you don't have one already, get one of the cans of inert gas aerosol that you can get from computer accessory suppliers (most often used by maintenance engineers to blast out the remains of the last few months sandwiches from PC keyboard). (3) "Blow out" the innards of the CD drive with the aerosol - i.e. point and shoot at the mechanical mechanism and the lens (if you can see them). (4) After a decent interval, switch on and try your CD again. Regards David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: TTT Radio Play List, WTYX, one of our local rock stations in Jackson, MS, has a Sunday program called "Tunes 'Till Two." The DJ usually plays little Joni sets on her birthday and gererally plays one or two of her songs as part of one theme or another each week. I spoke with him today and he agreed to play the entire CD on the Sunday after it is released. He did this once before for Night Ride Home so I'm looking forward to it stimulating local interest. Medric _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:44:19 -0500 From: "Daugherty, Stephen" Subject: HDCD & Joni Great commentary on upgrades to 20 bit transfer rates for better music!! Joni and all will be excited as this technology advances!! Read an excellent article (WSJC) describing how HDCD players are going to be much truer in sound quality (capturing the 20 bits instead of 16) for an upgrade in reproduction in this article: http://www.dallasnews.com/technology-nf/techbiz102.htm Steve D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:32:57 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (NJC) Okay, just heard "As Is" by Ani DiFranco, and I paid attention since I've been hearing such good things about her here on the jmdl. And I ah, just don't get it folks. She whined her way through banal lyrics covered by a predictable, flat sounding guitar plinking in front of a brushed drum kit. So is this it? Is this song indicative of her work? Help me out here. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:39:03 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Request for Photo from Burbank taping Hi gang - Yes, still lurking out here. Through the wonders of the internet I have met a nice man from Belgium who is in the process of writing a book on CSN&Y. He is trying to find a good photo of Graham giving Joni the award that night. Mine is pretty blurry. Does anyone else have a decent shot? Let me know privately please. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:20:20 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Hi Claudia, Very cool tape and very great to meet you. We hope you can make it to NYC? Any Chance? - -Bri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:23:51 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: RE: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (NJC) >Though you may never like her Don. After all, her hair has been brown, >green, orange, pink and probably several other colors on various >occasions, when it hasn't been shaved off. ;-) > >--Michael > Thanks for the tip. You know I always wonder when I hear an artist for the first time. Imagine that you'd heard all these rave reviews of this singer named Joni Mitchell, and the first song you ever heard was "Smokin'" ... you'd probably scratch your head, right? Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:41:03 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Ani DiFranco ... is this it? (SJC) Don wrote: <<>> If the first thing I had heard was "Smokin,'" I would have been even more excited than I was. I think it's positively brilliant, the best thing she did in the '80s. To this day I don't understand why it's so maligned. - --Michael, whose first Joni song was "Help Me," which he liked but was kind of annoyed by the incessant upward slurs ("lovin'") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:45:49 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: september 5, 1998... as is now common knowledge, the new england labor day jonifest at ashara's took place on 9/5/98 and has already moved into history! in time, the 25 or so gatherers who actually gathered can expect to hear "i was there" stories from more and more attendee-wanna-bee's. but for now, let the record show the faithful began arriving late friday afternoon. by saturday when i arrived, final preperations were in full swing. our music producer, chuckE (our very own bill graham) and superstar michael paz were tangled up in blue and black extension cords while our hostess was actually assembling this thing called a tent (i have heard of them...) in the backyard. maggie was directing her minions in the kitchen - a happy crew of galley slaves, among whom was a very nice jim l'h. and the wilypearl herself. she let me touch her right shoulder. gee. i could hear marian in search of the lost chord in the shoeless livingroom, accompanied by jmdl baby, claudia! (soon enough, these two would bring down the house with intense performances on the wired backyard deck...) and was that really the narcoleptic kakki at the stove, reminding us in her flowered dress exactly why it is we wish they all could be california girls? ok. i'm in. unload the beer and wine. pack the cooler. get more ice. take a picture. pose for another. katie?? hi!!! get more ice. we need corn. 48 ears are heavy. michael paz needs three disposable cameras. kakki needs only one. get more ice. this one doesn't have a flash. ashara needs a decongestant. still MORE ice??? (guesting at ashara's is a tough gig.) and there's julie! every bit as sweet and cute as her posts suggest. her entrance jacks up the energy level a few points on the old party richter scale. a lovely person. and heather! with our name tags and balloons! heather is high on my "must meet" list and we quickly become friends, as i knew we would. it's all getting a bit overwhelming. john and david (aka: fingers) get their computercam warmed up and we go "online" - live from ashara's - just like any other historic event worth its salt! more arrivals, among them the chiliheads, who clearly were sent down from central casting to play the people at this party who "got alot of style". nice sports jacket! nice cookies! michael y and patrick l ease on in, with a truckload of cd's, each better than the one before. lauryn hill quickly becomes the buzz. bryan thomas rocks the casbah with his rendition of black crow, that makes the song shine and soar. his guitar and his voice are enough to make your heart burst. just ask any of us who heard his version of little green. none of us, not one, will ever hear that song quite the same way again. and then, as if this is not enough, a phone call from our very own roberto from victoria b.c. i tell him about the "live" photos on the web. he can hear marian on stage. bursts of applause. laughter. background chatter. i hold up the phone so he can hear it all. "robert" i say. "you are missing it!" he knows. we visit. this is significant. since "enlisting" ourselves last winter, robert and i have become good friends and post regularly. but we have never spoken. next week, we meet in nyc! but for now, the wrong end of a telephone line is not where he should be. he knows that too. the festival is in full swing, and that is exactly what it is, a celebration of a wonderful artist who has, in one way or another, touched us all, individually and now, together! more singing, mingling, eating paz's delicious shrimp and maggie's 4-star buffet (she's a genius!) quiet smaller groups assemble and reassemble as people move between them. i do the same and feel totally welcomed at each. swimming in a warm sea of good vibes. our party mojo was rising! (wait a minute...what was the final definition of mojo again?) this goes on and on until we dream we see the bombers, riding shotgun in the sky....but they turned out to be ashara's mosquitoes, to whom we peacefully surrendered the backyard, without further bloodshed. did i mention marsha's arrival? if we'd been hovering at the overload line, marsha (bang! zoom!) put us over the top. for those of you who need to know, she is the blonde in the bleacher from tennessee. upon hearing her southern accent, i became hers to command. we sang and danced and listened to claud's "conversation" and marian's "cotton avenue" and chuckE's "rainy night house" and how about michael paz's "southern man"? it rocked. then some gift giving (thanks pearl. i love my zombie-eyed photo of wally and les!) and joni trivia and enough holly/dollyshit for a big time yard sale in a trailer park. it was all a dream we had awake! there were some surprises! i had great fun trying to figure out how the hell michael y.'s wise and thoughtful posts could possibly come from this...this...young man. (oh come on michael. i have at least 3 dozen neckties older than you!) and concluded he had been born with an old soul. an old, wise and thoughtful soul. and what's up with those GQ refugees, the chiliheads! not a bandana between them! go figure. but on the whole, there were no real surprises, at least not of any substance. we are as we seem to be, and as our posts would lead us to expect. a confident, articulate, opinionated, warm and interesting group of people! attached at the hip by the words and music of one, remarkable woman! oh boy. look at that. the sky is red as meat (not really, but i always wanted to say that somewhere...) i gotta run. thank you ashara for providing us a place and thanks listers for the gift of a wonderful and amazing day. saturday, september 5, 1998. there was only one place to be. and, as we all know, when you gotta place like that to go, you just gotta go there. and if you got no place special? well, my dears.... love and peace. ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:36:08 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Lost Hejira Lost Hejira Today was a bad day. It started out nice. It was cool this morning. No humidity. Actually a chill in the air. But things changed. Things went bad. I never used to believe in bad days. I always felt, if you breathed, it was a good day. You know, some days are better than others, but none are bad. But that is not the case today. Today was definitely a very bad day. Well, first, this morning, on my way to the gym, I noticed my Hejira CD was missing. I've been listening to it a lot lately. I just love some of those songs. Song for Sharon and Black Crow. Back to back like that. Man, I looked all around my house. I looked under my car seats. Before I went into the gym, at 6:30 am, I was on the ground looking under my car seats. I looked in my home computer this morning after I got home from the gym. I looked upstairs and down. I asked my wife. She had the gall to ask me what a Hejira was. I didn't even react to that. I just stormed away, thinking it must be in my office. I searched my brief case. In my office, I looked everywhere. I looked in every other CD case. I even looked under all the piles of paper under my desk. Finally, I put on Blue and resolved myself to the loss. Mid day, I called my friend. Let's get Chinese. There is a new one on Broughton Street. A real high end shop. He said ok, but first I have to go get money. I said no, I'm buying. (He is a priest, you see. He works in a church. He is actually a youth minister. He spends his days with the children of doctors and lawyers and dentists. They're the kids who need him the most, so it seems. The high end kids. We have lunch a lot. He's my best friend. He always says he needs to go get money, and I always say, no, I'm buying today.) When I get to the parish house, the housekeeper looks at me with a glare. She says, " you hear 'bout your buddy?" Hum? Which buddy? "You know, the one you liked. The one you bought those clothes for but he wouldn't take them. You know who I mean. " Oh, yea. Doug. Doug is a street man. He's young. Maybe thirty five. Bone thin. Short. He comes to every church service. He even comes to Sunday school. He likes the donuts after the service. You know, the blue bloods don't like him there. They told the sexton to run him off. His dirty hands were touching the food. God knows where his hands had been. And he smells bad too. One morning I was buying my coffee and scones in town. He was huddled under the overhang of the shop. This was last winter and I could tell he was cold. So I bought two cups of coffee. When I came out, I gave him one of the cups. It was the first time I've ever given anything to a street person. He was so thankful. He said in a very cool way, "man, I'm freezin' my ass off. Thanks a lot, man. I mean it. Thanks a lot." So, I gave him the scones too. I was hungry that morning, but he looked so cold. Again, he was so happy. He just sounded like any other man at 35. The next week I saw him again and I realized his clothes were very tattered. Shreds. I really struggled with this in my mind. Do you get involved? Do you look the other way. How do you do it? How do you reach out? How do you do it with out the baggage? With out feeling proud or righteous or proper or foolish. How do you do it right? I spent a few days thinking about this. Whether or not to do something. Each day I'd see him. Sometimes at night, sometimes in the morning. At night, I'd see him walking along the railroad tracks along the road to the beach, on my way home. In the mornings, I'd see him huddled against a building. Sometimes I'd see him outside the church, in line for the soup kitchen. Finally, one morning I went to Wal-Mart on my way to work. I stop there a lot in the mornings. There are no lines at that time. I buy my CD's there. This particular morning, I bought some clothes. Jeans, jacket, shirt, socks, shoes, the works. I took them to the parish house. That afternoon, I went looking for him. I couldn't find him. No where. Maybe I waited too long. Maybe he moved on. I felt bad for hesitating. I felt guilty. Ashamed. A few weeks later, I finally saw him on the corner across the street. I was very happy. I went right over and told him about the clothes and he asked me to show them to him. I walked with him. Maybe four blocks. He asked me if I believed in God. I said, well, yes, I guess. He said there were two Gods. A good one, and a bad one. The good one liked him and the bad one hated him. I stayed quiet. He told me his name was Doug. He asked me my name and I told him it was Pat. When we got to the parish house, I showed him the clothes and the shower and I left him alone. The housekeeper stopped me that day, and was not happy. She said no street people were allowed inside. I explained I didn't have time to come back and how he had been gone for a few weeks and it was cold and so on. I promised to be responsible for him. She finally left me alone. But she was not happy about what I had done. The funny thing was, he didn't take the clothes. He didn't shower. The pants were a little too big. The shirt was not right. The jacket was all wrong. He stuffed the socks in his pockets and asked me for $5.00. I gave him a twenty and he left. Every so often, I'd see him on the street and he's say, 'hey Pat, how you doin' man? Hey man, you got a couple of dollars?" I liked giving him money. It just felt right. He was always appreciative. So today, I said to the housekeeper, " no, what about Doug?" The housekeeper told me, 'they found him out on the tracks. Body was real decomposed, but the other men say it's him." My friend the priest looked down. He said, "Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe he doesn't have the suffering he had here. You know how he was all complicated." Yea, I said, yea, your right. Let's go have lunch. And to the high end Chinese shop we went. I bought. Back we came to my office. Chatted a bit. Off he went. To see a parent. A dentist. This afternoon, I've gotten nothing done. It's not there. The energy is just not there. Every thing seems all complicated. I keep thinking if I could only listen to Song for Carol, I'd be all right. I'd get back on track. But I lost the damn thing, and that's not an option. Not today its' not. Tomorrow morning, I will go out and buy a new Hejira. I'll find one. Probably not at the Wal-Mart. I'll have to go to Best Buy on the southside. But I'll get one before I come to work. That will make tomorrow be a better day. I will not go tomorrow with out that CD. I can't explain it. The day started out so nice. The first chill of the winter. I actually thought about the homeless people this morning when I went out to feed the dogs. I thought they'd be getting cold soon. The homeless people and the dogs. How they suffer the cold together. God's speed Doug. I feel your loss today, and it's not at all complicated. - -------------- I looked out the window And saw that ragged soul take flight I saw a black crow Flying in a blue sky. Joni, from Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:31:03 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: My account of the weekend.....(NJC) Funny, one of the many hats I wear in this crazy life of mine is "writer", and after 5 days, I still can't seem to find the words to express how I feel about the Labor Day party, and meeting many of my fellow JMDLers. Usually, the words flow onto the blank page for me, and although I know it is somehow expected of me to give my account of this incredible get together, I am left with only this: a piece of writing that someone gave me a long time ago. I don't even know who wrote it, or who put it into my hands. I haven't even thought about this writing, but time and time again, as I sit down to my computer to write, this is all that comes to me. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --- LESSONS FROM THE GEESE 1. As each bird flaps its wings it creates an uplift for the bird behind it. By flying in formation the birds can fly 71 percent farther than if they fly alone. The Lesson: People who share a common sense of purpose can get where they want to go quicker and easier when they are propelled by the thrust of others who share the same goals. 2. Whenever a goose falls out of formation it suddenly feels the difficulty of trying to fly alone and quickly gets back into formation. The Lesson: We should stay in formation with those who are headed in the direction we want to go. We can accomplish much more together than by ourselves. 3. When the lead goose gets tired it rotates back into the formation and another goose flies at the point position. The Lesson: It is only fair that we take turns doing the hard tasks and share leadership responsibilities. Leaders must have followers and followers need leaders. 4. The geese in formation honk from the rear to encourage those up front to keep on course and maintain their speed. The Lesson: We need to make sure our honking from behind is helpful and encouraging. Let’s remember to say please and thank you to those we serve. 5. When a goose gets sick or shot down, two geese drop out of formation and follow him down to help and protect him. They remain with him until he dies or is able to fly again. The Lesson: It is easy to like those who are like us. However our true character is revealed in our response to those around us who are hurting or suffering misfortune. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I can say, is that I have flown a great distance with my flock, and I will "never" forget the journey. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #347 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?