From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #344 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 344 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Roseanne Cash (NJC) ["Derrick ~" ] How Do You Stop (kinda sorta JC????) [Evian ] Re: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! ["Derrick ~" ] More Excellent Adventure ["Kakki" ] RE: Come in from the cold ["secret" ] Joni Mitchell at the BBC ["secret" ] RE: Defending Jane ["secret" ] Court and Spark HDCD [Howard Wright ] Re: Hi Everyone! (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Hi Everyone! (SJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] New England Jonifest Report [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: bringing back the madness [PMcfad@aol.com] CD problems and other stuff (SJC) [stevephoto@mindspring.com] Another Coupon - Music Boulevard [mann@chicagonet.net] Early Burglary Years/Raised on Robbery? (SJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Another Coupon [Jerry Notaro ] props to the party people... [bryan thomas ] The Chilis' idea: Let's make a recording! [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: Court and Spark HDCD [Brian Gross ] Today in Joni History - September 9 [Today in Joni History ] Joni comes to Chicago [Deeana Klepper ] Both sides now (JC) [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: Court and Spark HDCD [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Today in Joni History - September 9 [Mark Domyancich ] Tonight, tonight ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] jonifestne and jf99 in colorado (jc) [trxschwa ] Joni hearing and writings [Howard ] Re: Carpenter and Cash NJC [Howard ] Mary Chapin Carpenter & Roseanne Cash (NJC) [Anne Madden ] yikes, another gathering coming up (jc) 9/19/98 [trxschwa ] Re: zen guitar ["Kakki" ] This just in...film at 11... [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:22:56 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: Mary-Chapin Carpenter and Roseanne Cash (NJC) > I see there has been some discussion of Lucinda Williams on the list >recently. So, I just wanna know if there are any Mary-Chapin Carpenter >fans out there as well. I HATE basically anything that is labelled >"country", but hot damn, Mary rocks!!!! "Come on, Come on" is such an >excellent album, as well as "Stones From the Road." As well, any >Roseanne Cash fans out there too? I love the song... hmmm, can't think >of the title.."what we need?" "What we really want?" Anyway, its on >her INTERIORS album. BTW, does anyone know if INTERIORS is deleted? I >cannot find it in Canada to save my life! All I know of Mary is that she's a good friend of Shawn Colvin(who rocks too, BTW). All I've heard is 'Come On Come On' on the Columbia Records Radio Hour compilation album, but it's pretty good. Roseanne Cash is on there too, doing that song w/ John Leventhal, whom I also like from his work with Shawn Colvin(what a small world...). Sorry, I don't know if Interiors is avaliable. Out of curiosity, where in Canada are you? I'm in Surrey, just outside of Vancouver, BC. - -Derrick ;-) NP: Dreamland :-) I love this song!! It the first thing I've listened to all day besides Morcheeba. Big Calm just amazes me... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:37:27 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: (NJC) Pigeonholes >I suppose the big (and perhaps small) record stores feel that they must >categorize performers, I think it's the whole music industry, as opposed to record stores. The record companies need to give music a label so they can market it toward a specific audience, so the record stores need to do the same thing. it prolly goes for radio too. The different stations want to know what category the music falls under so they can work it into their demographic stuff. eg: play bubblegum when the audience is a majority of 9-11 girls. Does that make any sense? This might be why Joni was so sick of the music buisness - the way it categorizes everything. but maybe it's time for a new category: Crossover, or >something to that effect. Wasn't that the concept for 'Alternative', before it became a label for thrash guitar? - -Derrick NP: Paprika Plains ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 01:36:17 -0600 From: Evian Subject: How Do You Stop (kinda sorta JC????) Hi y'all, I know I posted this a while ago, but I don't believe I got an answer (either that, or it was one of those weeks and my digests were inadvertently 'skimmed' -- my own fault!). Is the Dan Hartman who wrote "How Do You Stop?" the same Dan Hartman who sang "Instant Reply", "I Can Dream About You," "Second Nature", "We are the Young," etc. in the early '80's? I had a cassette of his album with the latter songs it when I was in Grade nine, and so I am curious to know if this is the same guy. Also, is it true that he passed away (if this is the same Dan Hartman)? Thanks, Evian NP: X -- "White Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:49:21 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! What about putting together a tape of the JMDL's >greatest hits? What if we all recorded one song or two and then put them all >together? Mrs. Chili and I want to do "Magdalene Laundries" and maybe an >original composition? Is anyone else interested in collaborating on this? I'd love to be a part of that! If I'm welcome, seeing as I've only been here a short while... I've got a lovely repetoire of Joni, Suzanne Vega, Shawn Colvin, Bruce Cockburn, and a few Richard Thompson things, as well as some original noodles that I'd love to polish! - -Derrick;-) NP: Paprika Plains... The band plugs in again... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 00:49:15 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! What about putting together a tape of the JMDL's >greatest hits? What if we all recorded one song or two and then put them all >together? Mrs. Chili and I want to do "Magdalene Laundries" and maybe an >original composition? Is anyone else interested in collaborating on this? I'd love to be a part of that! If I'm welcome, seeing as I've only been here a short while... I've got a lovely repetoire of Joni, Suzanne Vega, Shawn Colvin, Bruce Cockburn, and a few Richard Thompson things, as well as some original noodles that I'd love to polish! - -Derrick;-) NP: Paprika Plains... The band plugs in again... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 01:04:15 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: It's the End of the Summer (njc) I'm going back too tomorrow, but into Grade 10. I'm going to try once again this year to convert someone to my eclectic music colection.. I've been unsuccessful so far, as my school is largely teenybopper ;-( How depressing. I still have yet to meet someone IRL who shares my musical tastes, let alone someone in my generation. - -Derrick ;-) NP: Cotton Avenue. Has anyone listened to this on headphones? It's intense :-) "See that patch of city lights Somewhere in there's Cotton Avenue" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:59:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: A Most Excellent Adventure What a wonderful weekend!! Ashara has to have just the most divinely designed house for a JMDL party and musicfest! As so many have already recounted, Ashara, Chuck, Maggie, Katie, Heather and Ric did a fantastic, purrfect job with everything. Stupendous food, decorations, gifts and games - all prepared with heartfelt love. THANK you! Hooray to hear the music tape came out well! There were so many musical moments of pure magic that must be shared. Listening to our newest star Claud Sans Soucie interpret Joni so beautifully along with the lucky, lucky break of hearing Bryan Thomas. Add to that the presence of our musical heavyweights, Marian, Michael Paz, David, Chuck and John, everyone else's enthusiasm and Ashara's collection of a zillion types of percussional items and you have quite a production. It was great to visit with everyone and to talk with call-ins Roberto and Marcel. (Sorry to miss speaking to Wally - we were in the middle of charging a car battery when you called!) As usual, I'm feeling like these gatherings just don't ever last long enough! Arrrr, why can't we all live down the street from each other?? I'm still on a high and even happily scratching the mosquito and sand flea bites covering me from head to toe. Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:27:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More Excellent Adventure After leaving Ashara's yesterday, Michael Paz, Jim Lamadoo and I did our best tourist act bopping round downtown until we had to leave Jim for the refuge of the roads. Michael and I became quite adept at learning to drive like Bostoners (as Ashara warned us - "foot on the gas pedal, eyes closed") as we headed up the incredibly scenic coastline. Michael had heard that Plum Island was a recommended destination so we meandered along, occasionally careening off the side of the road to take picture postcards as we listened several times to Claud San Soucie's incredible tape of original music. Bought Witches-shit in Salem and got a bit lost traveling the same roads multiple times, (no, we weren't drinking - we were just lost in the scenery!) We finally arrived on the island at around 9 p.m. There was one quaint restaurant on the beach named Atty May's, but they didn't have martinis, so we headed back to a little roadside tavern a few blocks away. We thought it would be just a dive bar but inside was like an apparition with ambiance you could cut with a knife. Old beach-house antique furniture with an overriding New Orleans - Mardi Gras flavor and several intricately decorated antique lampshades (heh-heh). The bar was an old dorry boat and they had darling one-of-a-kind martini glasses! As it turned out, Atty May, an escapee from lawyering, now living her dream, also owned the little tavern. As Ashara reported, Michael brought in the TTT CD and asked to play it. I saw a few couples dancing to several of the TTT songs. May was thrilled - she's a big Joni fan!! She and some friends ended up joining our table and treated us like long lost family. She encouraged us to dismantle her lamps and we all took several photos with the lampshades on our heads. She wouldn't let us leave and we partied till long past closing until the Policia arrived. No problem - we had the magic dust and Ashara's angels looking out for us. We all headed down to the beach and sat telling stories under the full moon till way late/early. Finally had to leave to get Michael back to Boston for his rapidly-approaching early morning flight so May gave us a warm goodbye and promised to get on the JMDL list! Heading down the highway, the radio was playing non-interrupted classic Jethro Tull and we got this wild idea of calling the station and requesting some cuts off TTT and, if necessary, bringing the CD into the station if they didn't have it yet. The station, however, was located up in New Hampshire and they said they were a 60's-70s music-only format and had to play what they were told to play. Michael argued that Joni fit in there, too, but they were too scared of going outside their approved-format. Oh well we gave it the old college try and at least made a few converts on the island! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:59:51 +0100 From: "secret" Subject: RE: Come in from the cold Did "Shadows and Light" video ever get a release in UK/Europe on PAL format? I don't think it did. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:00:01 +0100 From: "secret" Subject: Joni Mitchell at the BBC The vaults at the BBC are rich in Joni Mitchell material. I recall the following, and you know there may be more : Radio One - Festival Hall concert in 1969. Four tracks were played on a John Peel live session. Radio One In Concert broadcast from Christmas 1970 with James Taylor. Much bootlegged. From the Saville Theater,but I'd need to check my reel to reel to be sure. Televised concert in July 1972 from The Shepherd's Bush Theater. Televised concert with LA Express from Victoria Theater in April 1975. Television and radio simulcast from Wembly Arena concert in April 1983. The Refuge tour. I wonder will this stuff ever see the light of day again. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:08:01 +0100 From: "secret" Subject: RE: Defending Jane I admire your spirited defence of Jane. Philip - - done trashing Jane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:11:19 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Court and Spark HDCD I recently saw the C&S HDCD appear in some UK shops so, of course, I snapped one up! The original (non-HDCD) disc of C&S that I have is very rough sounding in places, so I was really looking forward to a crisp copy of this classic. So - I was disappointed to find that the HDCD version sounded just the same - all the same distortions on the vocal, same glitch in "Free Man In Paris". Anyway, a question: Are the CD numbers on the HDCD releases supposed to be different than for the original CD releases? I compared my two CDs, and they have exactly the same number: 7559 60593 2 Does this mean my record shop was ripping me off by placing HDCD stickers on the original CD? Any info on this would be really useful. I've already heard that the HDCDs don't actually have a mark on the CD itself to identify them - but can anyone give me some info on the CD numbers. Surely they are not the same as the initial CD release? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:48:40 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi Everyone! (NJC) In a message dated 9/8/98 12:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, picard3@webtv.net writes: << NP Husbands and dogs snoring simultaneously. >> Welcome back, Sherelle! You were missed! Hmmmm.....Husband"s", plural? Something you want to tell us, here? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:12:32 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi Everyone! (SJC) Sherelle, It's great to see you back in Joniland!! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:13:58 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: New England Jonifest Report Well, I arrived safely back in Austria with no snags. I had a great time, but I really missed Terry M., wish I had played my guitar more, and today I am sharing the opinions of others who were thinking I was crazy to travel so far - I feel tired, depressed, and jet lagged. Ashara was a very gracious and generous hostess and we were blessed with beautiful weather. The best moments of the weekend for me were: * Listening to TTT with Maggie at the airport while waiting for Michael Paz to arrive * Sharing guitar stuff with John Lasatar * Getting a beautiful name tag from Heather! * David's piano playing! * Talking with Ashara about her work with dolphins * Katie's trivia quiz * Julie's Dollyshit raffle * getting a JMDL amulet from Ric (what a looker!) * Maggie's taboulleh salad and Michael Paz's grilled shrimp * Playing Michael Paz's VG-8 (gotta get me one of those!) * Chuck E's dulcimer playing * Bryan singing "Daughter" * Claud's singing - she's got a voice like silver and plays a mean guitar! * Chilihead's shortbread! * Listening to Laura Lieberman with Pearl * Getting to know Marsha and Julie better * Listening to Michael P., Jim, Kakki, Patrick and Michael Y. share their opinions of various artists So thank you, Ashara, for opening up your beautiful home to all of us and, with the help of Katie, Maggie, Heather and Chuck, making the New England Jonifest happen. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:49:31 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: bringing back the madness Dear Tiajjm, I've been thinking about your madness for a few days and since you revisited the subject, I have an opportunity to respond. One, perhaps, your madness is not really madness. Perhaps when you get into a mood where nothing is appealing but Joni, you should go with that mood. You know, did deeper. Stay with the Joni music for as long as takes. What's the worse that can happen? You might discover some things that are truely wonderful and far beyond your imagination. Two, I'm not sure I would call such a mood a dry spell. It's very human to think that there is something wrong in not wanting to hear some other music. Maybe there is a very good reason for that. One that leads to a well of release, rather than a spell of dryness. Don't let human standards get in your way. Three, you also cited your stage as a barren state. If my one and two are on track, than this three leads to a fertile place, not a barren state. I say go with the music when it comes upon you. For as long as it takes. Eventually, you'll find your way back to the world and you may just come back to it in a better state of mind than you had when left it. Last week, Bill (Bdolling) posted a nice quote from Joni. " I write by twiddling the strings into a different tuning - I throw it open to the cosmos. Then when you discover something that has an element of divine intervention, it's like a blessing." Go throw that mood out to the cosmos. Next time it comes, look at it as a gift, rather than a problem. PJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:08:26 -0700 From: stevephoto@mindspring.com Subject: CD problems and other stuff (SJC) Hi deb, sorry to hear that you are having a problem with your CD player. it is my opinion that repair shops charge too much for their services. So as much as I hate the phrase "it's cheaper to replace it than to repair it" it's probably true! I am having a different problem with my player, when I play a long CD (over 55 minutes) my player starts to skip through the final tracks and then shuts down. My recomendation to you is if you are slightly technicaly inclined you might want to open it up and try putting some light gear grease on the gear mechanism. Don't be intimidated, the inner workings of a CD player are really not too complicated and the gears are easy to locate. Besides, if that doesn't work you are still going to have to replace it. These days you can pick up a decent player for a little over 100 bucks. Belive it or not there are some people who belive that the higher end players such as the rotel (approx $800.00) are the only way to listen to CDs. That may be true but who has that much money to spend on a CD player? Personally, the principal that I go on as far as consumer electronics are concerned is: If you like the way it sounds, that's all that's important, no matter how little or how much it costs. Now onto Howie Klein's comment in Billboard: I can't believe that he is downplaying the importance of T T T. Back in the 80's, Klein was a free thinking innovator when he started 415 Records and even before that when he was involved with KUSF-FM. He is in effect killing T T T before it even has a chance to be heard. I suppose this is the typical record company bullshit that led people like Zappa and the Dead to form their own record companies. I guess we can't expect any help from commercial radio either with the exception of people like Vin Scelsa and his show "Idiot's delight" (WNEW-FM New York) We just going to have to spread the word ourselves!:-) joni forever stevephoto@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:30:36 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Another Coupon - Music Boulevard Kenny, Thanks for the $10. Really appreciate you posting this!! Be sure you've signed-up for the FREQUENT BUYERS CLUB (this is for all of you taking advantage of this) because these freebies count toward your free CD! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 07:31:39 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Early Burglary Years/Raised on Robbery? (SJC) Hello list ... I'm just getting back into swing after McGwire's 61st blast this weekend -- sorry had to rub it in, it's a St. Louis thing! So anyway, now that Summer is officially over (Marianna's got to go back to school and all, quelle domage!) it's time to flip back into Morrissey/Smiths, for some time now, my favorite fall-into-bleak-winter mood music. Here comes the JC -- those who follow Moz will know that his latest collection "My Early Burglary Years" will be released on Sept. 15. So knowing as we all do that he thinks Joni is "the greatest songwriter on planet Earth" ... is this a tip of the hat to "Raised on Robbery"? I'm thinking maybe so. Thoughts anyone? Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:53:05 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Stormy Weather? www.sonicnet.com reports that the SF Stormy Weather benefit has already happened, but it doesn't mention Joni as a participant. I had previously heard that she was going to reprise (heh heh) her role in the northern CA counterpart to March's show. Anyone know what gives? - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:29:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Another Coupon Thanks Kenny. Got the new Lauryn Hill for 3 bucks! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:56:11 -0400 From: bryan thomas Subject: props to the party people... much props to the party people taming the tiger in topsfield at chez ashara this weekend. cindy and i had a great time. all the warmth and good vibes of the list increase exponentially with the face to face thing. extra special sound magician and audio artist props to chuck for the heroic effort with the p.a. gear et al; shrimp/vg-8 props to paz; all-around smiles and good vibes and get the family out of the house cuz the listers izz a-coming hostess with the mostest props to ashara; me'shell list and cool green shirt props to mr. yarbrough (thanx too to you and patrick for your lauryn hill posts, which convinced me to pick up 'miseducation' the friday before); advance copy of ttt props to jim yabba- lamma-doo (it made for a nice night ride home - can i have your snail address to return it to you?); kick my butt with 'conversation' props to claud; vittles props to master chef maggie; and a big dating game kiss to everyone else. if the party pix come out okay, perhaps i'll have some online soon. peace all, b. - ----------------------------------- http://www.bryanthomas.com music@bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:31:25 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a recording! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_905275885_boundary Content-ID: <0_905275885@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_905275885_boundary Content-ID: <0_905275885@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Chilihead2@aol.com Return-path: To: joni@smoe.org Subject: The Chilis' idea: Let's make a record! Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:11:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Tribe, Just enjoying this labor day laboring. Some commerce intermingled with preserving the harvest from our garden. As I am cutting tomatoes and listening to TTT, I got this idea. What about putting together a tape of the JMDL's greatest hits? What if we all recorded one song or two and then put them all together? Mrs. Chili and I want to do "Magdalene Laundries" and maybe an original composition? Is anyone else interested in collaborating on this? One thing is certain, between all the members of our tribe we have the talent and the resources to make one fantastic recording! Of course, these don't have to just be Joni songs, we can do anything we want! I told you when I met you I was crazy! Ooops, I forgot to tell you don't eat the brown sunflower cookies! Wink! Love, - -Chili PS. Ashara, Thank you so much! - --part0_905275885_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Court and Spark HDCD - ---Howard Wright wrote: > > I recently saw the C&S HDCD appear in some UK shops so, of course, I > snapped one up! The original (non-HDCD) disc of C&S that I have is very > rough sounding in places, so I was really looking forward to a crisp copy > of this classic. > > So - I was disappointed to find that the HDCD version sounded just the > same - all the same distortions on the vocal, same glitch in "Free Man In > Paris". > > Anyway, a question: > > Are the CD numbers on the HDCD releases supposed to be different than for > the original CD releases? I compared my two CDs, and they have exactly the > same number: > > 7559 60593 2 > > Does this mean my record shop was ripping me off by placing HDCD stickers > on the original CD? > > Any info on this would be really useful. I've already heard that the HDCDs > don't actually have a mark on the CD itself to identify them - but can > anyone give me some info on the CD numbers. Surely they are not the same > as the initial CD release? My copy of C&S *does* have the HDCD mark directly on the disc, in the 3 o'clock position. The Asylum number in the 9 o'clock position is 1001-2. And both the HDCD mark and the 1001-2 number are printed on the back insert of the jewel case. The number you gave is the UPC from the back insert. Brian "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:14:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 9 1990: Today's London Sunday Times publishes an article on a press conference Joni has given in promotion of an exhibition of Canadian art, featuring her paintings. "'Tracy Chapman wrote a coupla good songs, but generally speaking she's not that musically gifted. And Suzanne Vega, well...' Mitchell devotes some time to attempting what she calls 'a good adjudication' on the evidently thorny and hugely popular subject: neurotic, chilly, heartless and overly influenced by Leonard Cohen while lacking his black humour, is the gist of the lengthy report." Read the full article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/suntimes-900909.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:16:47 -0500 From: Deeana Klepper Subject: Joni comes to Chicago If anybody knows of any local radio or TV appearances by Joni around Sept 18 when she plays the Old Town School Benefit ($2,500 a pop) please let us know so we can try to tape them. I noticed in The Reader that the Sept 18 performance was listed in a WXRT ad as an "XRT Show". Does that mean it's being recorded by XRT for future broadcast? Finally, just picked up the book "Both Sides Now" a Joni bio by Brian Hinton, from England. Anybody read it? How accurate is it? Jeff Klepper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:29:52 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Both sides now (JC) in a recent post "Julie Z. Webb" wrote <> In the December '94 interview in Mojo magazine , which I keep on meaning to send on to Les as promised (sorry!), Joni says "There are songs in which I feel miscast, songs I performed as an ingenue - even Both Sides Now, which I wrote when I was 21 and which I think is better sung by a person in their fifties or sixties reflecting back on their life" Interviewer - "Sinatra did it - didn't he?" Joni - "Poor Frank, though, they gave him this folk-pop arrangement that was all wrong for him. I would love for him to have been able to really stretch out and sing the song" This probably has no bearing at all to your experiences but it seemed appropriate at the time...... David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:32:07 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Court and Spark HDCD Hey Howard and HDCD freaks: I bought the HDCD C&S a long time ago. The liner notes are really goofy in it. Compared to the LP, the CD doesn't have the raised type-just a shadow of the letters! Plus a big crease in it, too, which really bugs me. As for the UPC code, mine has the exact thing as yours. The HDCD logo is only on my Asylum releases (Not on LOTC or Blue). Hope this helps! NP-The Dawntreader ______________________________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | | | "Keep moving to keep the juices flowing, and never | | look back to see what gaining on you." | | | | -Satchel Paige | |____________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:37:20 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - September 9 Damn, Joni! What would she say to my guitar playing!!!??? (I really don't want to know, OK?!) :) Joni wrote: >"'Tracy Chapman wrote a coupla good songs, but generally speaking she's not >that musically gifted. And Suzanne Vega, well...' Mitchell devotes some NP-Pirate of Penance ______________________________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | | | "Keep moving to keep the juices flowing, and never | | look back to see what gaining on you." | | | | -Satchel Paige | |____________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:20:41 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: A Most Excellent Adventure At 12:59 AM 9/8/98 -0700, you wrote: As usual, I'm feeling like these gatherings just >don't ever last long enough! Arrrr, why can't we all live down the street from >each other?? > Yes! We could all move to one town ..... JoniTown! ("Won't you take me to .... JoniTown") Heather NP: crickets and other forrest creatures ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:14:29 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tonight, tonight Hello campers. I said "HELLO CAMPERS!!" I'm on my way to the Cowboy Junkies' show tonight in Cincinnati. Though their new album is not great, I've never seen Margo Timmins before, so I'm going. I'm smuggling in my 35 millimeter SLR and telephoto lens. I'll be carrying it in a place where no doorman would check- no _straight_ doorman that is. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:05:53 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: jonifestne and jf99 in colorado (jc) michael's post was a great record of this weekend. thanks to julie for the full-fledged documentation, too. so many people i loved spending time with. marian, all the way from vienna... katie and maggie, i got to know a little better the next morning, but still, the complaint is the same as pittsburgh: not enough time! that's why i'm more sure than ever. jonifest99 in colorado is going to ROCK. three days in the rockies. families! a much more extended gather. mary grace, would you mind posting the info again? i know i sent a deposit, but i don't even remember the dates. one thing i really hope for in colorado is more non-joni in the singalong mix. we all love joni, but i'm not the only one who had some great moments singing other music. thank you michael paz. i intend to dig up and photocopy tons of lyric sheets for some of my other favorites. julie and i never got our elton john 'love song' but we will, some time. heck, if we can convince jerry notaro to come, we may be able to put together a quorum of musical comedy fans. we almost sang 'how to succeed' at ashara's breakfast table. i'd been told i remind someone of robert morse, a great compliment. (much nicer than the usual jerry lewis comparison, and god didn't he look senile in the telethon last weekend?) if some of you aspiring ones have some actual product, you can probably write off the trip and sell to a captive audience. tr? denise? i suspect bryan and claud could have cleaned up at jonifestne. anyway no excuse for missing it. i know tempers fly on the list sometimes (we snipe so steady, we snub so snide). my mom may have been a pageant-winner but the miss congeniality gene clearly skipped me. nevertheless, when we gather, magic happens. i'm fantasizing authentic singing lessons from ashara, drumming and laughing with mendi, bryan and sherelle duetting, climbing mountainsides, long music-appreciation sessions in the boys dorm (count on it!). and maybe michael will serve his patented gins-with-a-dash-of-sarin. yum. patrick np - the miseducation of lauryn hill. wouldn't have picked it up but there was a phone message: 'buy it or the cat dies.' gee, i don't know officer, slightly familiar and it sounded like he was wearing a green shirt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:03:46 -0500 From: Howard Subject: Joni hearing and writings I was in LA this past weekend (on cushy bizness) and doing a little shopping over at the Beverly Center--Macy's Mens Store was having a big sale. And while I was looking for shirts for the new suit I just bought, the goddess started singing "Help Me". I was with my friend who had gone with me to see JM at Pauley Pavilion and we began to sing, of course. Earlier, we had lunch at the Daily Grill--but not the right one--I wanted to go to the one in Brentwood but we went to the one in Bev Hills, the one Joni doesn't frequent. anyway. I have been looking for the August Mojo and can't find it. I know, I know--it's September but I have been looking out for it for months and the only one I saw had Massive Attack on the cover and the only Joni mention in it was a review of the Dylan/JM/Van concert tour. I think that issue was the July issue. I am hoping that I can get a photocopy from someone of the Mojo interview. Please let me know. I will pay any costs incurred on it. Thanks. Howard M. howard@mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:31:05 -0500 From: Howard Subject: Re: Carpenter and Cash NJC A late response to the Rosanne and Mary-chapin thread. Get Mary-chapin's early album, State of the Heart--great music, especially one that I think is title Had it so good. (You never had it so bad, I never had it so good) and Quittin' Time--which she didn't write but is quite good nonetheless. there is also a funny song called How Do about a savvy woman picking up a country boy who has just arrived in the city (That's a real nice jacket, son, looks like it cost you, too. . . . and we're miles and miles from the Texas line, are you in the mood to speak some French tonight, et vous? Well, how do.) someone thought that MCC was better live than recorded. I disagree--she is different live than recorded and equally good on both. I saw MCC a couple of times in one year and her shows were different each time and the great thing about them was that the arrangements to most/some of the songs were very different from the albums. So, it made the concert fresh and different than those who just go out and repeat the album. She was smokin'. I read a story once in Guitar Player magazine about her when she was playing a small club in San Fran and in the beginning of the set, the electricity went out in the building. So, they lit candles or did something for light, and she got her acoustic guitar out and her collaborator (John James or James Johnson) grabbed a guitar and they sat on the bar in the center of the room and played an entire show without amplification of any kind. And Rosanne--oh my god, if you would have seen her on the Interiors tour--when she played small clubs--and it was her, and a guitar player, and a bass player--what a fine, fine show. and this was when she was still denying that the album was about her and Rodney Crowell's breakup. She was amazing. And if you want to check out old Rosanne, check out her Greatest Hits album, the one with the white cover. It contains all her supposed country hits but none of it sounds that country to me. Sure, there are guitar twangs and pedal steels but she doesn't sound that country. Check out "Blue Moon with Heartache". Sweet mother of god. (I run into that heartache just like a wall . . . what would I give to be a diamond in your eyes again . . . " And don't neglect the Wheel album either. Excellent followup to Interiors. Anyway, gotta go home and watch Sosa and McGwire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:01:14 -0700 From: Anne Madden Subject: Mary Chapin Carpenter & Roseanne Cash (NJC) I am a fan of both. They are both very talented. I have Bob Dylan's 30th anniversary video on which they both appear as well as Shawn Colvin, singing Dylan's "Ain't Goin' Nowhere" - they do a great job! Last year I saw MCC in concert in Toronto and thought she was wonderful. With her there are no frills, just good singing/songwriting, a very talented lady. I have her last album - Stones in the Road. Roseanne Cash is a great singer as well. I have a couple of her CD's. When she and Rodney Crowell were married they made some great music together. I have his greatest hits CD - he is a huge talent. He was in Emmylou Harris' Hot Band for a number of years and she recorded several of his songs. Rodney and Roseanne recorded a couple of great songs together - It's Such a Small World and Viola, An American Dream. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:34:45 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Early Burglary Years/Raised on Robbery? (SJC) hey don, Morrissey/Smiths, for some time now, favorite fall-into-bleak-winter mood music. god, ain't that the truth? a much beloved and much missed friend of mine taught me to revere autumn above all seasons, for its sweet melancholy. he was my entree into moz's world, as well. i don't love a lot of what morrissey has done recently, but i suspect he'll be whining out of my stereo a lot as the weather turns. delicious whining. a couple of recent acquisitions, including an over-the-top production of 'moon river', as well as so much brilliant older stuff. d'ya think the new mess will be worth hearing? patrick np - laura nyro - i met him on a sunday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:20:17 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Wish I was here The recent JoniFest sounds like it was a blessed blast and, once again, I wish I could have been there. Where are those pictures again? - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:28:42 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Last call for alcohol ... and Joni Unfortunately, I'm being replaced by a machine at my solo piano gig at the Sheraton in Chicago. I have two month's notice (until Nov. 8), so I just wanted to reiterate my invitation to any Chicago-area JMDLers (or any JMDLers passing through) to come on down for a semi-private concert of solo piano Joni, Beatles, Dylan, Taylor, Gershwin, Simon, etc. One caveat: under no circumstances will I play any Andrew Lloyd Weber (Android Leper). I'm usually there 5-8:30 pm (except for a break around 6:30-7) on most Sundays, Mondays, Fridays, and Saturdays (Sat. until 9 or 10, crowd depending). But always email me first to make sure I'm gonna be there because sometimes I sub out to play other gigs. After Nov. 8, I will be unemployed, so I'm hanging my shingle out now: Will play for food. Until then, please come down and see me sometime. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:38:56 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Rolling Stone Just Loves Joni. Couple of comments from Rolling Stone magazine: In the "What's Going On" Category: On "Taming the Tiger"—Last spring Mitchell hit the road on a rare minitour. Luckily, here studio habits have been more consistent; Taming the tiger comes a mere four years after her last studio album. In the "Performance" category: circa., Day in the Garden: The other senior-circuit all-star for whom there was great anticipation, Joni Mitchell, provided a less satisfying set. Leading an extra ordinary band, Mitchell opted to spotlight here electric work from Hejira and on, playing no acoustic guitar or piano. That would have been fine if the show had included more surprises than a wistful rendition of "Just Like This Train" and a straight cover of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man"; but despite the obligatory "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Woodstock" encore, her set was austere and distant doubly frustrating for fans of an artist who rarely plays the East Coast. It was, ultimately, a lot like eating your spinach: You know it's packed with vitamins, but you'd rather have ice cream. There you go from Fred Goodman of Rolling Stone. Peace, CRaig NP: Nicole Boderman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:05:20 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: yikes, another gathering coming up (jc) 9/19/98 hey folks, we've been planning dinner at tanti baci on september 19th, with roberto, who is visiting ny for the first time. tanti baci doesn't actually accept reservations. they do a waiting list, every night. i said, i've a party of 10, this will not work. so they have a guaranteed table possibility. i'd like to confirm tomorrow. i know: roberto patrick ric kenny (and steve?) kay i'm hoping: brian and cindy (the chiliheads) duane (where are you duane?) i'm dreaming: ashara michael y. and anyone else who wants to make it into manhattan. eric jaimes, where are you? we're going to be at the metropolitan museum early afternoon into early evening, then down to tanti. i'd like to guarantee a table tomorrow. thanks patrick np - jane oliver - stay the night ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:13:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Van Gogh in LA (NJC) Steve and Phyliss wrote: > > > Hey Kakki, let's start organizing the LA-Van Gogh-JMDL party!?! > > Count me in! You all read my mind - I was just thinking about getting on this and wouldn't you know it, but I received a thick envelope from LACMA in the mail today all about both the Picasso and Van Gogh exhibitions! It looks like there will be a $15.00 charge for tickets, but one can get more than their money's worth by getting an annual membership. In addition to several other benefits, one can get 2 free tickets to the Picasso (running from Sept. 6th through January 4, 1999), and 2 free tickets to the Van Gogh (running from January 17, through April 4, 1999) by getting the $55.00 annual membership. Both of these exhibitions look spectacular - 115 of Picasso's best works and more than 70 of Van Gogh's most famous masterpieces. To join all you need to do is call (323) 857-6151. We should coordinate to get our tickets on the same date. I will try to get more information tomorrow from LACMA and let you all know. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:16:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: zen guitar Bill wrote: > Maybe this has been brought up before, > but i just found a great book called > zen guitar which i would highly recommend > to anyone interested in the creative process. I have to emphatically second this! This is one of the most wonderful books I've ever experienced. An absolute gem. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 01:54:43 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: This just in...film at 11... Hello All- I don't know if I will ever recover from this weekend. Let me start by thanking on of the most beautiful ladies (inside and out) that I have ever met in my life. Ashara you have changed my life forever. Thank you for being such a POSITIVE spirit and loving person. Your home was beautiful and the Corn Chowder made me feel like I was home right from the start. (It also qualifies you for Jewish Mother of The Year). God has blessed you with an incredible voice and spirit and I wish you many years to share it with everyone. If only more people were just somewhat like you. My trip started out with USAIR telling me my flight was delayed 3 hours (ugh!). With my strat strapped to my back I managed to convince the wonderful lady at the counter that I would miss my performance that evening if I did not make Boston to rondeveux with my band (flying in from Vienna, L.A., etc.) at 7pm in Boston. She was my hero when she got me in via Continental by 7:30pm. (a foot note here--a stewardess on the plane noticing I was all out of breath and sweating brought me a towel to dry off as soon as I sat down and then bought me quite a few Bloody Marys on the way to Boston mainly because she said I reminded her of her friend Bob. Thank you dear you dear, frankly I love it when you call me names) Maggie and Marion another two beautiful ladies were waiting for me at the airport. Maggie was a wonderful cook and co-hostess, alot of fun to be with and Marion of course changed my life with her amazing work on the tunings and tabs. Thanks to her I was able to learn many new songs to play at the fest. (also thanx go out to Sue and Howard not attending, but great experts on the tunings and tabs) It was such a joy to play with her and sing so many songs. She is also an excellent VG-8 programmer now. I suggested to her that she have a Joni Fest in Austria and lets see how many of you are really serious about this Joni thing. Dinner was wonderful as I mentioned and so began my getting to know my really good friends. Kakki was just as beautiful and fun as I had anticipated by all that I have read on the list about her and she did a damn fine job of singing Long Ago and Far Away by JT (even tho she left the helium parts to Claud). And she is a wonderful travel companion, driver, and Joni promoter (more on this later) What fun! Chuck turned out to be my long lost musical partner. What a great player and singer. I also have heard that he might be nominated for producer of the year for his 1998 release of Live At Ashara's. Jim (my roommate for the weekend) was another kindred soul that I hope to see again along with everyone else, was our percussionist and singer for the jams. Pearl (winner of the Joni look alike contest) was another kindred spirit of mine that we shared some candid conversations about our spouses and music. All I can say is Pearl don't you ever put that guitar down again. I loved the way you sang. After dinner the VG-8 came out of my 80 lb. suitcase of songbooks, and other implements. We stayed up so late playing. The acclaimed duo of David and John showed up quite late and yes folks everything they say about David's playing is true. What a fab piano player. David anytime you want to move to New Orleans, my grand is at your command. We can also start a joni tribute band (any ideas on names??? the JoanTones, Little Green Men, Siquomb Singers, Boys to Joanes,??? maybe I shouldn't have taken that last hit of brown acid. John was wonderful too (and was assigned along with David, Jim, and I to the boys room with a live snake) I think the only time he put down my VG-8 was to take the wonderful pics that were part of the first Joni Fest Web Cast or jam out on piano. So many talented people under one roof and I could hardly believe it was only day one. I did not want to stop playing and neither did Marion or anyone else. Sleep did not come very easy for me as I was so high on the positive vibe that was unfolding. I saw 5am before I succumbed to the arms of morpheus. After only a few hours sleep I was up and had tea and cake downstairs with Ashara (who of course had already posted by then) and we all started preparing for the dinner of the decade. (By the way Ashara b4 I forget, I left my SourOrange/Blackpepper spice there. Next time you murder some carrots or some other non suspecting veggie like a tomato, please try it. If you don't care for it, please forward to Maggie or my good buddy and fellow barbecue partner on the neighbours porch, Ric.) This is where I start to get cloudy about sequence of events with so many new arrivals. Chuck arrived and started setting up the PA and recording gear. We had a nice jam in the early afternoon to test the system (of course). Claud amazed us with a rockin version of Conversation. Heather came with our badges that were extremely well done and now has a place of honour on the sound foam on the wall in my studio above the computer. I really enjoyed meeting and partying with you. Ric showed up with plenty of libations and gifts. What a charming and wonderful person he is "live" as well as on digest. He also joined in on the jam. (and thanks for picking up the cameras for me) Brian gets my vote for being on the Joni tribute album. (I'm calling Reprise tomorrow and suggesting that they add him to the list of performers even if the album is already in the can. What the hell, they delayed Joni's TTT, they can delay the tribute and add him. I also think, seeing as he is so original, that he be allowed to do 3 songs { Black Crow, Little Green, and Big Yellow Taxi} And I have to disagree with you Brian, Joni is gonna love it. I do think that's a very clever hook though!! What an incredible voice and player. I really enjoyed playing with him and being able to hear him solo live.(really cute girlfriend too) By the way I want to buy any recordings you may have out. Anytime you wanna come to New Orleans, you gotta spot on Louisiana JukeBox. All of my new friends are welcome in New Orleans, next time you feel like getting together. *It's now almost 2am here in the Crescent City, so I must go lay my weary ass down. Only because I don't want to be fired for sleeping at my desk as I did off and on today. I will bid you all a good night and take more of my share of long winded bandwidth tomorrow. For all of you who did not make it to Ashara's, I hope my account of this weekend will help you change your mind and hearts about attending the next fest. Stay tuned tomorrow for Part II. with my soul all full up and my heart bursting love michael NP-Sea Is My Soul-Astrud Gilberto ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #344 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?