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JMDL Digest Monday, September 7 1998 Volume 03 : Number 341
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: Jonifest Webcast [Don Sloan ]
re: Jonifest Webcast [Robert Holliston ]
TMJC (Too Much Joni Content) [Ashara@aol.com]
Thank you Ashara! [Chilihead2@aol.com]
Joni interview in Rolan house mag [Guy Brown ]
joni videos [stevephoto@mindspring.com]
Traveling... [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: joni videos [Mark Domyancich ]
NE-Jonifest--many thanks!!!! [Marsha ]
Re: More Jonifest pictures [Charstarl@aol.com]
Re: Bumbershoot, Seattle, and a ? [Charstarl@aol.com]
Re: More Jonifest pictures ["Steven A. Blue" ]
Re: More Jonifest pictures [Mark Domyancich ]
The party rocks on with TTT!!! [Ashara@aol.com]
Re: Re: Defending Jane [Marilune@aol.com]
Joni in concert memory [Bolvangar@aol.com]
Re: The party rocks on with TTT!!! [Bolvangar@aol.com]
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:02:13 -0700
From: Don Sloan
Subject: Re: Jonifest Webcast
The pics are great, John... keep them coming!
Looks like a wonderful time being had by all... and the weather is
cooperating, too, yes?
Ashara - - - beautiful home on some lovely land... but where are the
miles of aisles covered with piles and piles? You gotta love those
closets..... I sure do!
Have Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep us posted!!!!!!!
Don, in faraway California, thinking maybe I should have chosen the
JoniFest over the DC wedding trip in October :-(
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Holliston
Subject: re: Jonifest Webcast
Hey, y'all at Ashara's!
It's only about 5:30 in the morning there, so I'm sure you're still
partying hearty!
Thanks you so much, John Lasater, for all the pictures, it was thrilling to
see them, and thank you, Ashara, for the early morning update.
I got to talk to a few of you when I phoned and it was absolutely great
(the music sounded awesome - Edith and the Kingpin as I had the privilege
of saying hello to Ashara, Heather, Ric, Kakki, Marian, ChuckE, Jim....)
Bless this list!!
Love,
Roberto
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:52:18 EDT
From: Ashara@aol.com
Subject: TMJC (Too Much Joni Content)
Greetings From JulieZW,
It's 3:30 AM and Michael Paz and ChuckE just stopped playing "Wild Horses."
Jim Lamadoo, Katey Barnicle and moi sang along...."Wild Horses couldn't take
me awayyyyyyyyyyyy." Mariam's guitar playing was amazing! Her "Cotton
Avenue" was wonderfullllllllll. Jim Lamadoo can sound exactly like Neil
Young.... Michael Yarbrough sang so sweetly to Sweet Bird. David Wright
continues to amaze us with his piano playing. John Lassater, who just
graduated from Duke is a whiz on the guitar.......and I can go on and on
later...Marsha, always on tune, never misses a Joni melody even when we
forget. Kakki brought so much great Dolly Holly wood shit....... Bryan
Thomas sang "Little Green" with so much soul, I wanted him to adopt me.
Im a little sleepy, but we are still singing, so I've got to go join the
Jonettes. And Ashara rules............
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:16:00 EDT
From: Chilihead2@aol.com
Subject: Thank you Ashara!
Hi List and special hello to all the joni tribe we met Ashara's,
Talk about Good Food, Good Music, and Good People!
Thank you Ashara for opening up your doors to the Lost Tribe of Joni! We made
it back safe and plan to spend the rest of this wonderful Sunny Sunday
lounging by the pool (doing a little work, too) and listening to who else?
To everyone we met here and at the garden and for those we have yet to meet,
Let's get together soon and often!
Sorry if I dissappointed those who expected to meet someone who looked like
Jerry Garcia.
- -Chili (and for Mrs. Chili)
PS. Simon when are you going to come up with some harder more obscure trivia
questions?
LOL! :-)
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 12:36:58 -0700
From: Guy Brown
Subject: Joni interview in Rolan house mag
Don't know how old this is? 1996? But it's good. GUY
Start at http://www.rolandus.com/RUG/ARCHIVE/WIN_96/FEAT14_2/JONI1.HTM
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:42:43 -0700
From: stevephoto@mindspring.com
Subject: joni videos
I am in search of the shadows and light concert video, I saw it in a video
rental store about 10 years ago and didn't pick it up. I have not seen it
since. Any clues?
Also, I have two other joni videos: "Refuge of the roads" Emperor
Entertainment 1990 and "Come in from the cold" Geffen home video 1991
purchased from the "Hear" mail order catalogue when they were out of boston
I don't know if either are still in print - if not I would like to offer
them up for the tape tree.
I have limited dubbing capabilities but I can make a good dubbing master at
work
Oh I almost forgot, I think I have the showtime "coast to coast" show on VHS
I just have to sift through all of my tapes to find it. (I have a habit of
keeping every thing I record resulting in massive quantities of tapes) I
don't remenber who was asking about it, I will post here if I find it .
I also would like to know if anyone has the album of joni covers done by a
guy whose album cover was a mock up of Hejira. I heard him being interviewed
on WFUV a couple of years ago and was never able to find the record. It
sounded pretty good.
and I would love to hear it again. If anyone has the interview or the album,
can you please make a tape of it for me?
NP "car on a hill"
joni forever
stevephoto@mindspring.com
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:58:10 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Traveling...
Awesome cake at Joni Fest!
Mark, who says that mail is slow today and figured he would take up some
bandwidth! :)
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:02:23 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: joni videos
Steve and all-
I'm pretty sure the Shadows & Light video is out of print now. I would also
really like to get this! Heather dubbed Refuge of the Roads for me last
January and I'm pretty sure that's OOP too. Same thing about Come In From
The Cold.
I think it would be a good idea to do another video tree and put all this
stuff on it.
NP-Air conditioner, TV
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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 20:17:59 -0400
From: Marsha
Subject: NE-Jonifest--many thanks!!!!
Reporting from hotel central on my way home
from Boston in the early am...
It was great to gather with all my jmdl friends
and meet new ones at Ashara's. The time was all
too brief as I found myself hugging Julie and Marian
goodbye at their respective terminals at the airport
after our Thai lunch and quick drive around Boston for
some sights.
Thanks, Ashara, for being the supreme hostess for the
neJonifest and for allowing me to drop in last minute.
I will have to work off some pounds after feasting on
the beautifully prepared foods by you and Maggie and
everyone!
Thanks Chuck for all your efforts with the sound system,
and I enjoyed your fine musicianship. The same goes for
all our very talented musicians on the list:
David W (can I adopt you?), John L (can I adopt you too?),
Michael P (we'll see you in New Orleans very soon),
Marian R (who inspired me to do the jaunt with her travel
from Austria just to do this weekend), Bryan T (glad to
finally meet you and enjoy you LIVE!).
To all my harmony buddies (you know who you are, thanks
for keeping me in tune).
It was great fun to have the pass-out of souvenirs, Joni
trivia, and now we are officially soooo cultish with our
amulet necklaces with the secret(!) message on the
rice grain....he-he.
It is a zen-like thing for me to be in our group to sing
her tunes and to know we all adore her stuff like no one
else we have in our lives...we missed you, Terry...
for me especially in this time of a marital status change
and the struggle through the years with a mate who could
not appreciate and be moved by music, much less Joni things,
I am glad to have established friendships with listmembers
at an earlier time before my "broadside accident" of change.
"Everything comes and goes
Marked by lovers and styles of clothes
Things that you held high and told yourself were true
Lost or changing as the days come down to you.." JM
Thanks to all of you for making my difficult days
happier.
In love and appreciation,
Marsha
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:02:23 EDT
From: Charstarl@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Jonifest pictures
In a message dated 9/5/98 1:07:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Bolvangar@aol.com
writes:
<< http://www.duke.edu/~jhl1/jmdl >>
I just took the time to go through the JoniFest photos. They are fabulous and
the attendees are all so photogenic and look like they were having the time of
their lives. How envious I am of all of you getting to be together. Oh well!
I'll just have to live vicariously through you all until I can at last join my
fellow JMDLers' at one of their parties. Thank you for allowing the
unfortunate ones that couldn't attend the peek into the festivities! Char*
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:08:14 EDT
From: Charstarl@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bumbershoot, Seattle, and a ?
...And now I can kick myself because both he
and Dar Williams (one of my favorites) were at Seattle's Bumbershoot.
Unfortunately, I didn't read the schedule until late Friday night, only to
find that they both played earlier on Friday evening! :( I'm interested in
hearing about Dar's performance from anyone who attended.
Enjoy yourselves, Boston party-goers!
Neil in Seattle...
Neil - I was supposed to attend Bumbershoot this weekend expressly to see
Bruce Cockburn but was unable to attend. Since you mentioned that you live in
Seattle or that area anyway, do you know of the singer/songwriter, Danny
O'Keefe? He was famous for "Good-time Charlie's Got The Blues" and other
great songs. His most well-known LP was, "Breezy Stories." I heard that he
was originally from the Seattle area and had left LA for those parts back in
the 80's. Do you know if this is so or do you know where I might look for
current info on him? Thanks in advance if you can help out. Charlotte*
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:21:47 -0000
From: "Steven A. Blue"
Subject: Re: More Jonifest pictures
Hello everyone, regarding the vocals who sang backups for Joni, I attended
William Penn College, Oskaloosa, Iowa, there was a blonde high spirited
upperclassman/woman, first name Debbie. Rumor had it she sang back up for
Joni at one time. Possibly 5'4", 135, shoulder length blonde hair, great
personality. Does the description ring a bell to anyone? Just wondering. I
think she married a guy named George, he was from upstate NY. Just thought
I'd throw that out for nostalgia, the year was 1975.
SAB
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From: Charstarl@aol.com
To: Bolvangar@aol.com
Cc: joni@smoe.org
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: More Jonifest pictures
>In a message dated 9/5/98 1:07:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Bolvangar@aol.com
>writes:
>
><< http://www.duke.edu/~jhl1/jmdl >>
>
>I just took the time to go through the JoniFest photos. They are fabulous
and
>the attendees are all so photogenic and look like they were having the time
of
>their lives. How envious I am of all of you getting to be together. Oh
well!
>I'll just have to live vicariously through you all until I can at last join
my
>fellow JMDLers' at one of their parties. Thank you for allowing the
>unfortunate ones that couldn't attend the peek into the festivities! Char*
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:33:57 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: More Jonifest pictures
Weird! Are there any more hicks here in the Midwest who love Joni???
(Just joking, Steve!)
NP-The Windfall
At 9:21 PM +0000 9/7/98, Steven A. Blue wrote:
>Hello everyone, regarding the vocals who sang backups for Joni, I attended
>William Penn College, Oskaloosa, Iowa, there was a blonde high spirited
>upperclassman/woman, first name Debbie. Rumor had it she sang back up for
>Joni at one time. Possibly 5'4", 135, shoulder length blonde hair, great
>personality. Does the description ring a bell to anyone? Just wondering. I
>think she married a guy named George, he was from upstate NY. Just thought
>I'd throw that out for nostalgia, the year was 1975.
_____________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| home.revealed.net/Harpua/ |
|___________________________|
- -State Mottos-
Illinois:
Please Don't Pronounce the "S"
Wisconsin:
Eat Cheese or Die
Pennsylvania:
Cook With Coal
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:15:53 EDT
From: Ashara@aol.com
Subject: The party rocks on with TTT!!!
Michael and Kakki just called from a little bar on Plum Island, (not too far
from where I live,) and asked me to post this to the list. At the moment, they
are turning 50-60 people on to TTT!! It seems the bar owner is an ex-lawyer,
who left her profession to opened this bar, and is a big Joni fan herself!
So.....it seems our LA (California,) and LA (New Orleans) ambassadors are
spreading the word everywhere they go!
I am still recouping from only a few hours sleep in the past few days, so it
may be a day or two before I am awake enough to write more. ;-)
Hugs,
Ashara
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:04:06 EDT
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Defending Jane
In a message dated 9/5/98 9:57:04 AM, LRFye@aol.com wrote:
>Mariana, you are a fine writer -- I don't know if you've heard TTT yet, but
>if/when you have, perhaps you would consider sending a rebuttal of Esther's
>critique to Jane? You asked how many teenagers we expect to buy TTT -- maybe
>a few more WILL buy it if they read a good review from someone like you, who
>actually reads and likes the magazine.
>
>Just a thought ... if just one more young person hears and loves Joni, then
>her music and message is passed on (at least) once more ...
I should, I suppose. Jane's very respectful of stuff like that. Besides I like
Esther. She writes extremely funny articles. In fact, if acting doesn't work
out for me, I would like to be a journalist at some place like Jane. I'd start
my own 'zine, but it'd be so much work. Esp. since I'm going into Jr. year.
Well maybe Sr. year.
- -mariana
NP: Kate Bush
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:47:14 EDT
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Joni in concert memory
Hi all,
Back from Boston (more on that soon) this afternoon. I told my mom, who's
mostly responsible for introducing me to Joni, a little about the gathering.
She mentioned for the first time that when she was in college she saw Joni in
concert at a Tulane University auditorium in New Orleans. She guessed this was
just after Blue came out because she did many of those songs. And she said
Joni played a lot of piano (the good old days!). Was anyone else now on the
list there...if you can tell from this info. what concert I'm
describing....out of total curiosity?
- --David
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:45:35 EDT
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Re: The party rocks on with TTT!!!
I just heard TTT for the first time over the weekend. And I'm already eager
to start discussing it, so here are my impressions..... (And so, if you want
to be surprised on the 29th don't read on....I don't want to spoil the ending
of the movie for anyone, as it were, with my review....)
My big problem is that the monochromatic VG-8 sound gets wearying to me after
a while -- and it sounds like she's using a lot of the same rhythms or
strumming patterns or something on several songs, which further diminishes the
variety.
I've been thinking that she's always used patterns -- like on her piano songs
from Blue and much of FTR -- they all have the same basic left hand
accompaniment and a lot of right-hand syncopations, figurations, and chord
structures in common....once you get the pattern down you can play most of the
songs on those albums if you figure out the chords and harmonies. (In fact,
one piano phrase in the middle of Let the Wind Carry Me always sounds like a
quote from the piano part of Last Time I Saw Richard to me.) So again you
could say the texture is monotonous. But the songwriting she has been working
towards on her '90s albums seems more evocative and texture-based, in the
melody and harmony and arrangement, than her songwriting on Blue and the other
early/early-middle period albums -- so maybe a monotonous texture would have
more of an impact on TTT than it does on Blue. I'm not sure if that makes
sense.
But I do feel that in her singing and songwriting on TTT she's really
perfecting the texturedness and evocativeness that she has been doing the past
couple of albums -- even the album's lyrical clunkers (e.g., "one big boo-hoo"
and "nice...kitty kitty!" ) contribute to this texture for me. Only the
subtleness is undermined by the monotony of the musical arrangements. I wish
there was a touch of acoustic piano, or a more sparse, acoustic song or two
(like the acoustic guitar and percussion texture on NRH's "Slouching Towards
Bethlehem") for variety.
The highlights for me: "Harlem in Havana" and "Lead Balloon" (such a
different sound for her! And she's so gleeful and pissed off! "An angry man's
just an angry man/But an angry woman -- BITCH!"). And "Face Lift," now ranking
with "Come in from the Cold" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" for me as one of
Joni's saddest songs, and one of her most revealing, but so gentle and her
voice is so expressive -- she just tears me apart with the line "'You've seen
too many movies, Joni/Snap out of it.'"
I'm really anticipating the 29th (well -- 28th, for me!) now.....
- --David
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