From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #340 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, September 6 1998 Volume 03 : Number 340 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re alternate tunings (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: NP ["Derrick ~" ] NJC Help! CD player problems ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Sadie info (NJC) --now Boston [Marsha ] Howie Klein ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Dutifully Reporting from Party Central [Ashara@aol.com] Howie Klein ["Eric G. Postel" ] Moving Through Madness + Misc. [RMuRocks@aol.com] Boo-hoo [djp ] Re: NJC Help! CD player problems [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Larry Klein [MTDS ] Jonifest Webcast (sorta) [John Lasater ] Re: TT review in Jane (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Defending Jane [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) [Jerry Notaro ] release date TTT [Robbert ] bell-bottomed songs [Seanapper@aol.com] More Jonifest pictures [Bolvangar@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #36 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) [Brian Gross ] Re: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Sadie McKee, Man From Mars, cat [Mark or Travis ] Billboard review - and Mass sales (JC) [Dmascall@aol.com] Billboard review - and Mass sales (JC) [Dmascall@aol.com] Mass sales (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com] NE Jonifest [Ashara@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 03:26:18 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re alternate tunings (NJC) Howard wrote: <> The piano can already play the whole tone scale though. You could tune *all* the strings on a piano to the whole tone scale, but anything you could play on that piano would be playable on a regular piano, while the reverse would not be the case. Or do we mean different things by "whole tone scale"? - --David NP: Marian Russell and John Lasater discussing Joni tunings, plus fragments of "How Do You Stop," at Ashara's!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 01:32:36 PDT From: "Derrick ~" Subject: Re: NP >NP - means Now Playing. What music (generally but have been other noises >mentioned) you're listening to at the time. Sometimes you hear about a new >musician (to you) this way. > >FTR is a great album. Get it! Thanks! In that case... NP: Skeletons, by Rickie Lee Jones off of Pirates - a really great album - -Derrick ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:37:58 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: NJC Help! CD player problems Oh no! What does it mean if, when you first put a CD in, you hear a repeated funny little high-pitched whirring squeaking noise? And when you play the CD, there's noise and skips and momentary stuck places (not subtle - unlistenable). Can anyone help? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 08:42:25 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Sadie info (NJC) --now Boston Diana Duncan wrote: > Thinking about the party that must be going on in Boston right now! Me, too, Diana. I hope they didn't drink too much, pass out the cigars, lose their voices, and are too hung over to begin the REAL party tonight when some of us stragglers drag ass into Beantown... Marsha, ready for that noon flight ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:30:52 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Howie Klein I see that Howie Klein is president of Reprise. Mmmmmm. Any idea if he is any relation to our boy Larry? If you are interested in Howie's home page take a lookie here. But not if you are a fascist. ;~^) http://members.aol.com/fizztwo/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:36:58 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Dutifully Reporting from Party Central Hi everyone! Ashara here, reporting from the lovely Topsfield, MA home of the now famous New England Labor Day weekend Jonifest. It all starting in the airport yesterday, where I went at 4PM, armed with a rose in my teeth, and a lampshade crown. I set up shop with my Clouds vinyl album cover, and waited for the first arrival, none other than Kakki all the way from CA. Well, there were quite a few people that saw me before Kakki did, and the reactions ranged from stony stares to "Looks like it's going to be a good weekend for you!", "Boy are you brave to be wearing that, here!", "I see the party's already started for you!" and, lastly, from someone from the LA flight (of course), "I have a hat just like that at home!" Next, we went to pick up Pearl, and waited for Jim. And waited.......and waited....and waited.................(long story). Finally, Jim left a message on my machine that he was going to make his own way to Topsfield, so northward we drove. Waiting at the house was Chuck and Claud, on the back deck, in complete darkness by this time, playing the guitar, and battling the deadly "Topsfield Mosquitos." Dinner was started, (a lovely vegetarian Corn-Cheddar Chowder for those of you that "just *have* to know!") fresh bread and salad. Maggie then arrived shortly afterwards with Marian and Michael Paz, and we finally sat down to eat around 10PM. Dessert was a little VG-8, several acoustics, and a bit of piano thrown in. David and John arrived about 1:30 AM. (Ah, to be young again!) We sang and played until the better part of 4 AM., and somehow that ol' internal clock of mine woke me less than 3 hours later! So, here I am, blurry-eyed at my computer, keeping you informed of all the happenings. If you want further news about the party, I'm afraid you will have to ask someone "that was there", as I will be sound asleep in a corner at just about the time the party is officially starting! Miss you all! Your roving Labor Day reporter, Ashara (with hugs, of course!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:12:09 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: Howie Klein Howie, my former boss 15 years ago, is not related to Larry. he has been in the music business since the 1960's when he booked shows at SUNY Stony brook. He started 415 Records in SF with bands such as red rockers, translator and romeo void. From there he went on to a very senior position at Sire Records home to folks like David Byrne. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:38:41 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Moving Through Madness + Misc. Happy weekend to everyone - especially to the Bostonians (I was almost one myself, but it didn't pan out - now am excited about the possibilities of a "Southeastern JMDL gathering" in Atlanta to coincide with Joni's appearance there as part of TTT tour, which will definitely happen, I keep praying... Moving Through Madness contribution: I'm in the midst of those who put Joni in the general mix of music playing - I agree that the radio offers nothing, save for World Cafe or other eclectic - non-commercial venues. Joni is always so far superior to radio fare...anyway, my madness is when I get Jonisongs running through my head as the result of a post - this happened twice this week, and it's usually a great thing, as well as way to search out other Joni fans, when I'm humming, whistling, or singing the song. However, the madness occurred when the "song" in my head was "I's A Muggin" as a result of Bill D's hilarious post. So I'm playing tennis with my son and the :08-long "song" plays in my head about 50,000 times! Oh well, it could be worse, now I've got Barry White on the Brain ;-D Lucinda Williams: Let me chime in with thumbs up on "Car Wheels" as well, Julius. I've had it in the car for 2 weeks now on random with 9 other discs, and every time a track comes on it sounds so fresh and real. I far prefer it to the new Liz Phair, which is also very good. Local Update: The Bi-Lo Center, named after the Grocery Store Chain (we also have Winn-Dixie) opened Thursday with sellouts for Janet Jackson & Pearl Jam last night. The Arena seats about 15,000 for concerts, I'm fantasizing that you know-who will add it to her schedule when she tours in support of TTT> Of course, being the only Joni fan in SC, the ticket sales won't be too strong, but boy, will I get a good seat! Must go now to free up phone - party on Ashara and crew! Welcome aboard Claire! Add me to your buddy list "RMuRocks" and we can chat sometime! Seanapper to for that matter... NP (Now Playing): Cactus Tree from STAS P.S. Les, it looks like this new movie out "Simon Birch" is based on "Owen Meany"? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:41:21 -0400 From: djp Subject: Boo-hoo I like the "boo-hoo," and all the more since I listened to the "Blue" yesterday." The first lyric: "Bloooo-hoo-hoo-hoo", like a sob. djp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:23:49 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Help! CD player problems In a message dated 9/5/98 8:27:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Oh no! What does it mean if, when you first put a CD in, you hear a repeated funny little high-pitched whirring squeaking noise? And when you play the CD, there's noise and skips and momentary stuck places (not subtle - unlistenable). Can anyone help? >> When was the last time you cleaned the darn thing? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 08:27:55 -0700 From: MTDS Subject: Larry Klein Does anyone have info on a movie Larry composed the title soundtrack? Unfortunately, old age is starting to get the best of me, so all I remember is the bass rhythm and Larry's name in the credits. Thanks in advance, Michelle =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Ilse of Tranquility A Birthday Celebration in the Cruise Lounge In honor of the Funk Diva Me'Shell http://www.sundownlady.com/flink12.shtml Vote for your favorite Me'Shell album today =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lasater Subject: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) I'm taking digital pictures of the festivities here in New England and posting them to the Web. A few of them are there right now; more are on their way... When the party is over, I'll design a nice index page for all the photos, or give the pics to the JMDL Webmaster to host them for me. Currently, you can view the pictures at http://www.duke.edu/~jhl1/jmdl By the way, this is so much fun...I wish you all could be here. Well worth the drive from North Carolina. - -John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:47:14 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: TT review in Jane (NJC) Don Rowe wrote: > But then again, without a Spice-Girls drum module going "pooky-pooky" through the whole thing it can't really be considered pop. "Pooky-pooky," Don? I'll admit I've never heard a Spice Girls song (at least I don't think so), but ... LOL! Great description! I'm going to be chuckling all day ... Lori in SATX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:54:58 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Defending Jane Mariana wrote: it's the best teenage magazine on the market. I'm sorry it's true. So they trashed Joni, so what? It's not the first time it's been done and it certainly won't be the last time. Ester is entitled to her own opinion as are we all. So if she doesn't like it, she isn't going to listen. Besides, how many teenagers do you expect to buy TTT anyway. Esther is certainly entitled to her opinion; I don't think that's in dispute. Mariana, you are a fine writer -- I don't know if you've heard TTT yet, but if/when you have, perhaps you would consider sending a rebuttal of Esther's critique to Jane? You asked how many teenagers we expect to buy TTT -- maybe a few more WILL buy it if they read a good review from someone like you, who actually reads and likes the magazine. Just a thought ... if just one more young person hears and loves Joni, then her music and message is passed on (at least) once more ... Lori in SATX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 13:24:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) More. More. What a treat to see you all. Have a ball. Is that you, Patrick??? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 19:30:06 +0200 From: Robbert Subject: release date TTT Dear Listers, Hello, this is Robbert from Holland writing. I just got back from my local record store, and they had a poster hanging with a long list of upcoming releases. TTT is on there for September 25th!! Which makes sense. Usually if an album is OFFICIALY scheduled for a Monday release (which is the case with TTT in Europe), it will be available the weekend prior to that, since people tend to buy more music during the weekend, I was told. So another 20 days to go!! Best, Robbert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:22:17 EDT From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: bell-bottomed songs Thanks, Jerry, for posting the Billboard mag review/interview yesterday! One quote of Joni that really jumped out at me was: "If you avoid doing what's cool, you won't have bell-bottom pants on your songs down the road." That's great! Very recently, there was discussion on this list about Bruce Cockburn. I'm not familiar with him, but after reading various comments on his work, I decided I needed to check him out. And now I can kick myself because both he and Dar Williams (one of my favorites) were at Seattle's Bumbershoot. Unfortunately, I didn't read the schedule until late Friday night, only to find that they both played earlier on Friday evening! :( I'm interested in hearing about Dar's performance from anyone who attended. Enjoy yourselves, Boston party-goers! Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:05:53 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: More Jonifest pictures John Lasater asks me to tell you that more pictures from Ashara's are on the web page http://www.duke.edu/~jhl1/jmdl ....and not everyone is even here yet! (Meaning: many more soon to follow!) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:54:50 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #36 Hi there, Do you feel like putting a GREAT record in your CD player? How about: Ozark Mountain Daredevils - 13 (New Era) This is what Billboard has to say: "Like NRBQ, Ozark Mountain Daredevils has been around for eons, delighting thousands of fans from sea to sea but never selling a proportionate share of records. The Springfield quintet - which formed in 1971 - excels at blues-soaked country, Appalachian folklore and Southern rock. Made up of guitarist John Dillon, harpist/percussionist Steve Cash, bassist/mandolinist Michael ' Supe' Granda and lead guitarist Bill Brown (all of whom sing), as well as drummer Ron Gremp, the group delivers original tunes that have the ring of classics. Highlights of this consistently charming album are the catchy ' Standing On The Corner Of Live And Learn ', the rocking ' New York ', and the sweet, reflective ballads ' Where Are We ' and ' If It's True ' . A group of journeymen who have amassed an ardent following over decades of unpretentious service to their craft and the dying art of winning over fans the old-fashioned way." A highly recommended album! If you're having trouble finding this gem in your local record store, please try: NewEraline@aol.com Direct your inquiries to Benny Smith and tell him I sent you! Good luck! Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:09:08 -0500 From: "Kevin Fries" Subject: Re: Plug Of The Week #36 Since we're doing shameless plugs: Joni - Taming the Tiger September 25 Annie Haslam - Philly Maritime Museum September 26 (Penn's Landing). See www.anniehaslam.com for details. Small, shameless confession: I got front row seats!!! This is a great two days and the best part is that the travel from Dallas (guess I'm a fan, huh?) is paid for by my company. It just can't get better than this. It just can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) - ---John Lasater wrote: > > I'm taking digital pictures of the festivities here in New England and > posting them to the Web. A few of them are there right now; more are on > their way... When the party is over, I'll design a nice index page for > all the photos, or give the pics to the JMDL Webmaster to host them for > me. > > Currently, you can view the pictures at http://www.duke.edu/~jhl1/jmdl John - the pictures are great - keep them coming !! Brian, sorry not to be there with you all. === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:08:25 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Webcast (sorta) John & everyone at Ashara's ... The pictures are GREAT! Looks like y'all are having a fine time! Keep doing that, and sing loud enough for the rest of us to hear you!!! Happy Joni-ing! Lori in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:49:08 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Sadie McKee, Man From Mars, cat Seanapper@aol.com wrote: > Initially, I was hesitant to listen to the TTT songs included (I like for a > new release to be new to me when it is released, if that makes sense--the > surprises of hearing it for the first time sort of add to my "listening-to-a- > new-Joni-release ritual"). I feel this way too. I've only listened to the TTT cuts 1 or 2 times. When the album is finally released I want some anticipation and surprise. It's fun to get a sneak preview before the general public does and I really appreciated the opportunity. But I just wanted a taste. An appetizer before the whole banquet is served. I don't want to spoil my appetite before that. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lasater Subject: More pics from Jonifest Even more Web pics are available now... John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:04:17 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Billboard review - and Mass sales (JC) < Jerry Notaro Jerry, THANKS! Your post of the Billboard Joni article + interview absolutely made my day. I particularly like Joni's quote <"Wayne is an undervalued, amazing talent. He crawls over notes and has a relationship with them. He is welcome to scribble all over my songs."> ================================== Lovely description. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:04:18 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Billboard review - and Mass sales (JC) < Jerry Notaro Jerry, THANKS! Your post of the Billboard Joni article + interview absolutely made my day. I particularly like Joni's quote <"Wayne is an undervalued, amazing talent. He crawls over notes and has a relationship with them. He is welcome to scribble all over my songs."> ================================== Lovely description. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:04:41 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Mass sales (NJC) Whoops - decided to snip this from my other post but then forgot to snip it from the Subject line. <> As a (non-music) retailer, here are some random thoughts in no particular order prompted by suggestions for mass (i.e. rigged) purchase. (1) Mass purchase can cause all of the inventory & return problems above. Also it can cause the supply chain to hiccup - all the re-ordering retailers clear out the stock from suppliers in double-quick time - and what was a sales zoom becomes a fall off a cliff until more supplies get through - by which time demand has died due to the non-availability. I've seen it happen. (2) ANY decent music retailer should be able to order you a copy of TTT in advance - retailers love firm orders - and some of their returns entitlement may depend on buying in advance. Choose whose pockets you put your money into. (3) Most retailers love sustained sellers that sell by word-of-mouth. Tell your friends about TTT - and Joni's rich back catalogue! Three years on from release, people are still buying "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" in my bookstore on recommendations from friends, spouses, lovers and acquaintances. A little media exposure doesn't do any harm, either......let's hope the Billboard article + interview is followed by many more. (4) I've run out of steam ... I hope I'm not reacting to a leg-pull, as Azeem in London suggests. David Mascall . David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:15:38 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: NE Jonifest Hi all, It's Maggie, Cordial Culinary Queen checking in here from N.E. Jonifest at Ashara's. We're all here, taming the tiger, nice kitty kitty. And it's downhill from here, but we like downhill here at Ashara's! Today has been a day of music, music, music and food, food, food. I had the pleasure of plying my wares here at Jonifest, and my wares are food, while there are folks here like Chuck, Ashara, Michael Paz, Claude, Pearl, Kakki, Julie, Bryan, etc, etc. where the music is the food, and visa versa. It's all a good groove. Katy lead us in a grand game of Joni trivia, Heather and Julie Z. did a grand dollyx**#@ game, and we are feeling just fine. Joni rules here at New England Jonifest. Wish you could have been here. Check out the pictures!!!! Be well you'all. Maggie ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #340 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?