From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #337 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, September 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 337 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- new york, ny - and lauren hill [Bill Dollinger ] NJC [Bounced Message ] Re: New home for my guitar files - and BOSTON! [Marsha ] TTT promotion [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] RE: TTT promotion [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Moving thru madness ["Kakki" ] Re: Moving thru madness [Bill Dollinger ] Clouds-Sadie [Diana Duncan ] VLJC Gregson & Collister (was Re: The Same Situation) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Saturday Night Live? [Robbert ] Re: TTT promotion [LRFye@aol.com] Re: TTT Promotion (was: Buying TTT) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Saturday Night Live? [Janet Hess ] Re: Grandma's Hands and King of Rome NJC [Rob Jordan ] Re: Grandma's Hands and King of Rome NJC ["Deb Messling" ] NJC - Northampton Listings [heather ] NJC - Liz Phair [heather ] Gitchee Gumee /absolutely NJC [rkbjf ] Re: No Flights Tonight ["Claud SansSoucie" ] RE: new york, ny - and joni mentions in reviews (sjc) [trxschwa ] Re: Moving thru madness and NP--NJC [BH1248@aol.com] Re: lucinda willliams & pentangle(njc) [Wolfebite@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: new york, ny - and lauren hill hey new york jmdlers, duane, patrick, etc... i am going to be in new york on the 16th, and would love to see you big city folk if possible. my friend wants to see a play called "stupid kids" (anyone interested?) here's some joni content btw - in an article about the new lauren hill cd, there is a brief mention of joni, saying that it seemed like joni was an influence. I don't have the cd yet, tho it is very high on my must buy list. The cd debuted at #1, pushing out Madonna's Ray of Light I believe. (leaving me wondering how that makes michael yarbrough feel since i know he greatly admires both of these women ;-) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:45:39 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC From: "mdee" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:40:14 -0400 i am looking for a song by greg brown (i think it's greg brown) "gramma's hands" anyone? also if anyone knows who sings "king of roam" (the song about the pidgeons race) i'm looking for that song as well. thankyou. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:55:22 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: New home for my guitar files - and BOSTON! M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > > I can hardly believe that in less than 24 hours I'll be flying to Boston > for Ashara's Jonifest! I'm really looking forward to seeing some > familiar faces from Julie Z's Pittsburgh bash (including the illustrious > Miz Z herself) and meeting some new folks. It's gonna be such a great > weekend of music and sharing! All the way from Austria... God, I love our lil' cybercommunity here. See you'ins in a bit. Marsha, coming loaded with some Dollyshit (Dolly Parton souvenirs and Smoky Mountain taffy), in trade for some of Kakki's Hollyshit (Hollywood goodies) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:03:39 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: grandma's hands NJC In a message dated 98-09-03 14:46:22 EDT, you write: << "gramma's hands" >> I believe this song is Livingston Taylor. .........Denise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:13:37 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Lauryn Hill (JC and kinda long) Bill wrote: <<>> This was the _Rolling Stone_ review, which I posted a couple of weeks back. It happened at the same time Joni was popping up all over Liz Phair's reviews. It didn't call Joni an influence so much as compare Lauryn's obvious talent and willingness to let it shine simply to Joni's. The reviewer focused on the non-showiness of Lauryn and Joni's work, which I thought was incredibly insightful. You can probably still find it on www.rollingstone.com. The album is INCREDIBLE, though it took me a couple of listens to reach this verdict. I hadn't posted yet because it came so soon after my Liz Phair effusiveness that I risked caricaturing myself, but I now think Lauryn's album is superior to Liz's (if that matters at all) and is the best album of the year. Of special note to Joni fans (probably Joni herself) would be Lauryn's skill as a lyricist, not so much w/ the meanings, etc. of the words, but with the structure, rhymes, etc. One song rhymes on the same syllable the entire way through--breathtaking!! Another uses a unobtrusively virtuosic AAB CCB rhyme scheme. In a way, _The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill_ reminds me of HOSL, because though it's obviously inspired by very personal experiences, a lot of the focus is external and could be interpreted as being aloof or critical if her performance wasn't so warm and honest. This record is one the few I can remember that makes me respect not just the work but the artist as a person. Lauryn's values and wisdom are clear as a clarion. In the right mood, listening to _Miseducation_ can be an intensely personal one-on-one conversation with the artist, and if that doesn't recall Joni, I don't know what does! One last bit of rapture must be reserved for the song "To Zion." This song honestly inspires me to convulsive movement. It's so visceral, almost gospel, in her love for her newborn son. As much as I love Maddie, "To Zion" blows her putrid "Little Star" out of the water. Speaking of whom: <<>> _Miseducation racked up 423K in one-week US sales, besting the record set by ROL in March of ~370K for one-week sales by a solo female artist. Chances are very high that both women will be banished by Alanis's follow-up in November, which could top 800K in the first week. I highly recommend both _Miseducation_ and _Ray of Light_, as well as _whitechocolatespaceegg_, _Car Wheels on a Gravel Road_, and _from the choirgirl hotel_. Ignore all the hype about previous years: 1998 is THE year of women in rock as far as I'm concerned. Only Rufus Wainwright, the Beasties and Pulp come to mind on the men's side this year so far, but the number of artistically mature women's releases is astounding. In any case, I wish both Lauryn and Madonna well... - --Michael, who hopes for many more years of women in rock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:11:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - September 4 1971: Today, "Carey" debuts on the Billboard chart and lasts for one week. Its peak position is #93. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:08:03 -0700 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: TTT promotion Culled from a list reading: >>we would have attained our goal of topping the charts for some percentage of the first 4 weeks after release. >>What do you think? Sounds a bit like Joe Kennedy's mass purchases of "Profiles in Courage" to me. What happens when, based upon these early sales, stores order more shipments which don't sell as rapidly? And there are a lot of returns. Typically, a store is not allowed to return "new releases," so their inventory sits and sits. Once they can return the stuff, they get dinged with penalties and handling charges. Not a profitable scenario. On top of that, her stuff gets a reputation of not having strong enough legs to warrant re-orders. For an artist who is so involved with the product, from music to packaging and design, you'd think she would have a deeper finger in the promotion pie. MG np "Crazy Cries of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:47:24 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: TTT promotion In addition to MG's good comments, I would have to add that even at our best, 500 of us buying, say, 30 copies each would equal exactly 15,000 copies. This week's Billboard #1 album sold 423,000 copies, or 28.2 times the amount the JMDL could purchase in its wildest dreams. The number 32 album sold 37,000 copies, so we might be able to have an impact in that realm of the chart. But the best we could do would be to push Joni perhaps five spots. The deck against grassroots promotion of anything--be it a political candidate or an album--is huge in this age of high-tech marketing. It's up to Reprise and, yes, Joni herself to do the interviews, in-store displays, single promotion, and touring necessary to sell the record. Plus, when we return our records, the negative sales will reduce her following weeks' totals that a large chart plummet will result that may be more newsworthy than her high debut. The spots in the lower regions of the chart are separated by only a few albums each, which makes for very precarious manipulation. In the short-term one-week scenario, we could move Joni from 100 to 90, or maybe 30 to 25, but if she's in the top 10 it'll be all credit to Joni and Reprise. Please continue spreading the word, though, because though it may not affect short-term trends, the long-term effects are immeasurable. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:47:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Moving thru madness Bill wrote: > Risking charges of heresy, > I have to say that listening to any artist > exclusively for days on end would lessen my > appreciation over time. Even hejira would > begin to tire me if i played it over and over > and over. At the very least I would have to > put on some Barry White as a musical sorbet. Ha! A friend and I share nearly identical tastes in music and have spent many a late night and early morning playing our mutual faves and blissing out non-stop. At some point I think both of us realized we were overdosing and needed something to balance it out a little. We both thought of Barry White at the same time! (He just happened to have an old album in his massive collection of records). I'm not sure if Bill is kidding here, but it really does work as a musical sorbet!! (used sparingly, of course, or you could get into trouble ;-D) Kakki NP: Barry White - "You're The First, The Last, My Everything" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:02:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Moving thru madness I was not kidding at all. And your mentioning one of my favorites, btw, with 1st last everything! bill On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Kakki wrote: > of records). I'm not sure if Bill is kidding here, but it really does work as a > musical sorbet!! (used sparingly, of course, or you could get into trouble ;-D) > > > NP: Barry White - "You're The First, The Last, My Everything" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:14:09 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Clouds-Sadie I have just figured out that I can tape from my phono (vinal) on my 2 year old system. (ok, so sometimes I'm dense!) This is great, since I didn't have Joni's older albums on cassette to listen to in the car. Question: As I was looking over the Clouds album cover, I noticed that she had dedicated it to Sadie J. McKee. Maybe I'm being dense again but I don't remember hearing about this Sadie on the list. Maybe it's on Wally's site but it's been a while since I have gone through the whole site. Anyone know about Sadie? Also, Wally, I think it's rotten that you have to pay all the postage for that contest. Don't you just hate incompetence. It's my one pet peeve. Is the weather going to be nice in Boston this weekend??? Hope it is for you all. Diana, NP: Clouds, (what else??) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:10:36 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: VLJC Gregson & Collister (was Re: The Same Situation) In a message dated 9/2/98 4:50:31AM, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << Azeem wrote: "I think my best one was persuading someone I met on a bus in Seattle to go and see Clive Gregson and Christine Collister that evening." Azeem I love these guys. I have the record with a version of The Same Situation. Found them totally bu accident but boy was I glad. >> Great to know I'm not alone Michael! You may or may not know that they've now split up, and Clive is now living and working in Nashville. I'm following Christine's career with great interest; she released her 3rd solo album earlier this year, "The Dark Gift of Time", and it's a beauty. It's got a great version of Bruce Cockburn's [hey, this post wasn't just thrown together...] "The Whole Night Sky", and a whole host of other delights, mostly covers, with an exquisite song of her own, "Always There", which brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it. It's on a very small label, Fledg'ling (catalogue no. FLED 3016). Christine also has a web site, at www.thebeesknees.com - it has the usual biog/discography and a couple of very nice interviews about her last two albums. It doesn't seem to have been updated recently, but it does say that a North American tour is imminent, so check it out! BTW, she's also recorded "Shades of Scarlett Conquering" on a live album, and was including "Sex Kills" in her repertoire about 3 or 4 years ago. Azeem In London LTILT [Last thing I listened to...]: "Spinning" by Pooka, an amazing album from an exceptionally idiosyncratic (female) duo. I could stretch to a tangential Joni thread mention here, because something Pooka are brilliant at is harmonies, ones which you can't "get" on a first listen, and can even sound out of tune. The album's last song ends with about 15 minutes of ocean waves washing up on the shore, superbly recorded - you can actually hear the foam dissolving! Fabulous to listen to in a dark room, at very loud volume, preferably with a glass of wine... or whatever your preferred poison may be. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:21:30 +0200 From: Robbert Subject: Saturday Night Live? Dear Listers, I just had dinner with a colleague, and I have been bothering him all night with Joni's music. He claims to have seen her on Saturday Night Live, but we can't figure out when, and, most importantly, which song(s) she performed... We would really appreciate a quick reply - thanx very much!!! Best, Robbert from The Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:04:12 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT promotion Michael Y. wrote: > Plus, when we return our records, the negative sales will reduce her > following weeks' totals that a large chart plummet will result that > may be more newsworthy than her high debut. Am I misunderstanding something here? Who is planning to return copies of TTT? Lori in SATX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:09:26 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT Promotion (was: Buying TTT) Always running behind the times, I just saw this! Brian G. wrote: > The balance of the unopened units could be returned to the store within the next 30 days for what should be a full refund back to your card. The reasons for not doing this have been discussed. Obviously it would end up working against Joni's sales record. My thought is that if you want to buy up the entire stock of TTT at your local chain, go for it. But instead of returning the excess, sell the extras for $1 or so less than you paid for them. Lori in SATX, adding folks to her holiday list ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:24:46 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Saturday Night Live? Unfortunately, Robbert, I can't help on this one...but your post gave me a terrific fantasy of watching Joni sing "Magdalene Laundries" to The Church Lady. Janet, quite beside herself because she loves ML and doesn't think it's the least bit funny At 10:21 PM 9/3/98 +0200, Robbert wrote: >Dear Listers, > >I just had dinner with a colleague, and I have been bothering him all >night with Joni's music. He claims to have seen her on Saturday Night >Live, but we can't figure out when, and, most importantly, which song(s) >she performed... > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:30:43 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Grandma's Hands and King of Rome NJC >i am looking for a song by greg brown (i think it's greg brown) "gramma's >hands" I think the original "Grandma's Hands" is by Bill Withers - he wrote it. www.allmusic.com lists lots of versions including Livingston Taylor. I also have a cover by Merry Clayton (she sung on the Stones' Gimme Shelter) on an old, forgotten LP, that also has a brilliant cover of Neil Young's Southern Man. I forget where I picked up this record, years ago, but it's one of those nice old, pre-oil crisis discs that's stiff and fat. And the cover is rigid card. Excuse me if I reminisce :-) Life just seemed more, um, solid, then. >also if anyone knows who sings "king of roam" (the song about the pidgeons >race) i'm looking for that song as well. June Tabor. It's on Aqaba, one of her best. Coincidentally, she was on TV this week, singing it direct to camera - so powerful! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:47:30 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC ("Grandma's Hands") mdee@metro-online.net writes: << i am looking for a song by greg brown (i think it's greg brown) "gramma's hands" anyone? >> That song was written by Bill Withers and recorded by him in 1971. It originally appeared on the Sussex label in 1971 and was re-released on on the album _Just As I Am_ (Columbia 1985). Booker T. Jones produced the song. Reached #18 on the R&B charts and #42 on the Pop charts in '71. I love this song. I have it on _Lean On Me, the Best of Bill Withers_ one of my favorite CDs. - -Julius np- Cat Stevens _Footsteps in the Dark_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:26:08 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Moving thru madness and NP The Kingpin writes: << She's our common ground and launch pad to discovering and discussing uncountable other artists, even though "they've never been on our TV screens". >> Perfect segue for my burning question: What does everyone think of Lucinda Williams? She's a critic's darling around here these days, and of course she's touring with Dylan and Morrison now like Joni did. I've been waiting to hear opinions from the list before I decided to buy in or demur. Did I miss the scuttlebutt? - -Julius np- Barry White, aka the 'Walrus of Love,' "Practice What You Preach" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:48:24 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Clouds-Sadie Someone just a few days ago asked who Joni's Irish grandmother was. I ** think** it was Sadie, although I cannot tell you how I know this. > Question: As I was looking over the Clouds album cover, I noticed that she > had dedicated it to Sadie J. McKee. > Anyone know about Sadie? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:53:58 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Grandma's Hands and King of Rome NJC Garnet Rogers (brother of the late Stan) also sings this song. It was written by David Sudbury. I can evangelize forever about Garnet. And Brian Gross can evangelize about Stan. > >also if anyone knows who sings "king of roam" (the song about the pidgeons > >race) i'm looking for that song as well. > > June Tabor. It's on Aqaba, one of her best. Coincidentally, she was on TV > this week, singing it direct to camera - so powerful! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 18:50:06 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Saturday Night Live? At 10:21 PM 9/3/98 +0200, you wrote: >I just had dinner with a colleague, and I have been bothering him all >night with Joni's music. He claims to have seen her on Saturday Night >Live, but we can't figure out when, and, most importantly, which song(s) >she performed... Robbert, I have watched Sat Night Live from the beginning years, and I am absolutely certain that Joni Mitchell has never appeared on the show. He's probably confusing her with Rickie Lee Jones. JulieZWebb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:42:35 -0400 From: heather Subject: NJC - Northampton Listings I am posting the following for anyone who is interested. At times I go up to Northampton so I can purchase tickets up there with no fees. You would have to let me know well in advance, though. THE CALVIN THEATER- Dave Brubeck - Oct. 7 David Grisman - Oct. 9 Henry Rollins - Oct. 10 Anreas Vollenweider - Oct. 11 Spaulding Gray - Oct. 17 Lyle Lovett - Nov. 6 Moe - Nov. 7 Mary Black - Nov. 15 (I'm interested in this) Lincoln Center Jazz Orch w/ Wynton Marsalis - Dec. 4 Dar Williams w/ Richard Shindell and Lucy Kaplansky - Jan 1 Kronos Quartet - Jan 13 Chick Corea and Gary Burton - Feb 6 Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Feb 11 Casandra Wilson - April 16 Sonny Rollins - April 23 PEARL STREET Jimmy Cliff - Sept 28 John Lurie & the Lounge Lizzards - Sept 26 Reel Big Fish - Oct 4 DJ Spooky - Oct 7 Sizzla - Oct 8 Heather Nova - Oct 9 (I'm interested in this one) Tom Tom Club - Oct 10 (I'm interested in this one) Bim Skala Bim - Oct 10 String Cheese Incident - Oct 15 Afro-Cuban AllStars - Oct 19 Semisonic - Oct 20 Mudhoney - Oct 20 Mad professor - Oct 23 Duke Robillard - Oct 30 The New Morty Show - Nov 1 Olivia Tremor Control - Nov 4 FastBall - Nov 5 Beausoleil - Nov 6 Little Feat - Nov 16 Saw Doctors - Nov 18 Hot Tuna - Nov 21 Billy Bragg - Dec 13 THE IRON HORSE Gillian Welch & David Rawlings - Sept 10 Don Byron - Sept 11 Jennifer Kimball - Sept 12 Mary Cutrufello - Sept 13 Bill Kirchen and the Blazers - Sept 14 Jonatha Brooke - Sept 16 (I'm pretty sure I'm going to this one) Mose Allison -Sept 19 Fool's Progress - Sept 21 Steve Forbert - Sept 23 The Paperboys - Sept 24 Bacon Brothers - Sept 25 Anna Egge & Darden Smith - Sept 26 Donnal Lunny Band - Sept 29 David Aram - Sept 30 Hal Ketchum - Oct 1 Brooks Williams - Oct 2 Iris DeMent - Oct 4-5 Martin Sexton - Oct 7-8 Sinead Lohan - Oct 9 Rockapella - Oct 11 Mike Watt & Scrawl - Sept 12 Patty Griffin - Oct 13 Norman Blake - Oct 15 Tom Verlaine & Jimmy Rip - Oct 15 Richard Shindell - Oct 18 Cordelia's Dad - Oct 19 Cheryl Wheeler - Oct 22 R.L. Burnside - Oct 23 The Nields - Oct 24-25 Acoustic Alchemy - Oct 26 Dick Gaughan - Oct 29 Moxy Fruvous - Oct 30-31 David Lindley - Nov 2 Ferron - Nov 5 Richie Havens - Nov 6 Bo Diddley - Nov 7 John Gorka - Nov 8 Greg Brown - Nov 11 Solas - Nov 13 Guy Clark - Nov 15 Robert Fripp - Nov 16 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:56:25 -0400 From: heather Subject: NJC - Liz Phair Hi gang! I also see that the closest Liz Phair is going to get in New England is the Avalon in Boston Oct 6 and Roseland in NY on Oct 8. FYI Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:03:19 -0500 From: rkbjf Subject: Gitchee Gumee /absolutely NJC Hi all, Except that we listened to Taming The Tiger (don't get excited, just the four songs from the 'Morning becomes eclectic' show) on the way up. We went out of town again. Up north (or 'up nort' if yer a reel Minnesotan) Let me tell ya 'bout it. The north shore of Lake superior a.k.a. Gitchi Goomee to the Chippewa (Ojibwa) is like the PCH Highway #1 in California, only in miniature, with tall MN pine and white birch forest on one side and the cliffs of Gitche Goomee on the other. Along the way, Hwy 61; God said to Abraham "Kill me a Son" Abe say "man, you must be puttin' me on" God said "no' Abe said "what" God said "you can do what you Abe, but the next time you see me comin' you better run" Abe said "where you want this killin' done" and God said "out on Hwy 61". - Bob Dylan Yeah, that Hwy 61, twists along the shoreline for 150 miles (108mi. to Grand Marais where we went) to the Canadian border. Along the way there are all kinds of quaint little MN towns and touristy things to do.On the way back we "cut across Shorty, Shorty cut across" (I know, another song quote!) to Hibbing to do a sort of Bob Dylan's home town as Mecca kind of thing. Kim took a picture of me standing in front of Bob's childhood home. I can just hear the people who live there now; "oh look Martha, there's another ass hole gettin' his picture taken in the yard!" The wierd thing is that you can't get to Hibbing from the north shore. There is no good way to do it. We stopped in a small town on the shore (Little Marais) to ask the most direct route to Hibbing, pulling out my map to show her that there is no way to get there. The woman pulls out a forestry map and says "oh here, you need one of these." Turns out that there is a way to get to Hibbing. 30 miles of dirt roads, about 13 miles of it is single lane. We were way out in the back woods of northern MN. The map put us through several turns, lefts, rights, Y's in the road, each one perfectly depicted on the map. Thank god for accurate maps 'cause if you get lost out there, you are seriously lost! We stayed a couple of nights in Duluth, which is like a miniature San Francisco with Lake Superior on one side, as big as you need it to be, and the rolling hills of Duluth on the other. The whole area is kinda like a miniature Bay area. Anyway, it was fun, and it was near home. We drove about 500 miles total over the five days we were gone. Covered quite a bit of 'the arrowhead' area of the state, which I had never done. Fun! See ya later. Brad NP - George Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:58:36 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: No Flights Tonight How about a car, train, bus, limo...? Just wishing you could be there! I feel like I'm really missing out not meeting you! Claud - -----Original Message----- From: TerryM2442@aol.com > >I even tried to fly out of Canada, but their major airline went on strike the >other day too. Sigh. > >So, think of me, cuz I'll sure be thinking of you. I am SO bummed out. > >Terry > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:40:55 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: new york, ny - and joni mentions in reviews (sjc) hey folks, bill comes into nyc on the 16th, it'll be great to see him. it'd be particularly nice to find some good music-listening that night. on the 19th, several of us are having dinner with roberto holliston, who'll be visiting from victoria, at tanti baci, where joni b-dayed last year. it's so nice that you're all coming to see me, i just wish there was something to DO in new york. 'nother joni mention. times reported some joni-like warbling next to roberta flack understatement, in a mostly positive review of a new album by des'ree. she had a single that really grabbed me last summer, 'ya gotta be'. a raspy, low key r&b voice so satisfying after whitney, mariah, toni, waterlog-girl ... patrick np - billie holliday - lady sings the blues ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:29:18 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Moving thru madness (sjc well i fall on both sides on this, but reading and writing about this is making me smile. barry white indeed!! these days i'm much like michael, fascinated with my collection, my friends' collections, nearly every acquantaince's musical tastes. i've been exchanging mush tapes with jonilisters all summer, almost as soon as i returned from pittsburgh. and in my wonderful job i left in april, after 4 years, one of the greatest things was that so many musicians worked there. music played in every office, always different, never radio-ready. if none of the 50 or so cds and cassettes in my office suited, i travelled a few feet and found dylan, thelonius, billie, 'sunday in the park', taylor dayne, son house, i could go on and on. i have been ravenous to know it all, to understand it all. but i've had some wonderful times of musical obsession. i saw kate bush on saturday night live in '78 but i never actually bought an album until 'hounds' and i had some major time of musical obsession, let me tell you. just an odyssey, going to 'the kick inside', starting to snag '45s and eps. i really do think that i listened to nothing but kate, for some weeks or months. and i was already such a passionate music-lover. morrissey/the smiths came to me after the band broke up. events in my life made that music extremely important to me. again, i'm sure i was immersed forever. and in 96, after listening to joni since shadows and light, i had my attention on one evening focused in a way that sent me into another all-consuming session, this time for joni. pulling out the 9 or 10 albums i had. reading about her. collecting what was missing. i still can barely contribute about clouds or djrd because i've owned them such a short time. i was obsessed, so much that 8 months passed from when i first visited wally's site, until i knew there was a discussion list... probably not all joni-all-the-time, but an intensity that felt like 'moving through madness' i don't think this is ever a bad thing. patrick, who only talks about 'the lost years' to his housaholics anonymous meeting np - holliday - lady sings the blues ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:33:51 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: Moving thru madness and NP--NJC Julius asked: << What does everyone think of Lucinda Williams? She's a critic's darling around here these days, and of course she's touring with Dylan and Morrison now like Joni did. I've been waiting to hear opinions from the list before I decided to buy in or demur. Did I miss the scuttlebutt? >> Her new CD is very good and highly recommended. Several of us have been touting it via list scuttlebutt: Sherrie, Michael and a few of others. You may as well pick up the equally strong "Sweet Old World" while you're shelling out $$$. Lucinda is fantastic, bless her heart. :) Kingpin (with charm to sway) NP: Neil Young, "Hawks and Doves" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:43:47 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: lucinda willliams & pentangle(njc) to affirm the kingpin 'car wheels on a gravel road' has been in our tape deck in the car ALL SUMMER! we've listened, analysis, sung every song. They're really gems. I picked up the reissue of her self-titled album (that's right "lucinda williams")- the one with passionate kisses. the production isn't as sharp and her voice is a bit softer & sweeter- but everyone of those songs are gems too- plus- they've added some live recordings as bonus tracks at the end. also after the recent pentangle thread - i picked up a 2-cd collection called 'light flight'- a good deal- but a butt ugly cover! 1997 issue- on Recall. it's a best of + solo and other joint projects. i wasn't familiar with pentangle except by name- and what a great surprise! and several have mentioned june tabors 'king of rome'. that song still chokes me up! what a sweet song/story! Aqaba and angel tiger are both essential june listenings. dougie np: happy rhodes: many worlds are born tonight ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #337 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?