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JMDL Digest Thursday, September 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 336
The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available
now. Go to for all the details.
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The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank
message to for all the details.
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Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things
Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered -
to
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for more info.
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The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at
and contains the latest news, a detailed bio,
Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more.
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The JMDL website can be found at and contains
Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives,
and much more.
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Doing a show. NJC [Hassan Zubairi ]
Haggis (NJC) [Howard Wright ]
Moving thru madness [JJM ]
joni covers [Michael Nold ]
(no subject) [Chilihead2@aol.com]
Re: joni covers [Marsha ]
Joni Biography at CD-Now ["Ken (Slarty)" ]
wasp bites (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ]
Re: Moving thru madness [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: Moving thru madness (NJC) [heather ]
Re: Moving thru madness [Phyliss Ward ]
Re: Moving thru madness [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
Happy Jonifest! [Mary Pitassi ]
New home for my guitar files - and BOSTON! [M.Russell@iaea.org]
RE: Moving thru madness [Brett Code ]
new book? [Bill Dollinger ]
Re: Moving thru madness [Bill Dollinger ]
Re: new book? ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
Chuck Mitchell [Steve Dulson ]
Joni Fest [michael paz ]
RE: Moving thru madness [Michael Yarbrough ]
Buying TTT [Brian Gross ]
Re: The Writers Contest Book Winners ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
RE: new book? (JC) [Michael Yarbrough ]
Re: new book? [Rachel Kramer Bussel ]
Re: new book? ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
RoTW...my cat sez eeh-eck! (NJC) [jan gyn ]
Re: new book? - NJC [Scott Price ]
Re: Moving thru madness and NP [BH1248@aol.com]
Going to Ashara's?- 2 Children of God "For Free" [Chilihead2@aol.com]
Re: The Same Situation (NJC) [Steve Garrison
Subject: Doing a show. NJC
Hello folks,
JamieJake here. Just thought I'd tell you that I'm going quiet for a few days up to the 12th due to the fact that I'm going to be out of the office as I am doing another fringe show.
It's at the Pentameters Theatre in Hampstead. It's a pub venue theatre and one of the more prestigious. It's with the same director as Senora Carrar's Rifles. He's asked me to be in another play, which is nice. Unpaid, of course. Which isn't but hey, I'm not a struggling actor for nothing.
The play is called Absence and Presence and it's only on for two nights Sunday the 13th and Monday the 14th of September. If any of the London Jimdler's Listers can make it, it would be great to hook up. Sorry I can't email you personally, I haven't got much time in the office today. SORRY!
Much Joni
JamieJake
ps: this will keep my mind occupied until the 14th so I wont get desperate for TTT!!!
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:53:56 +0100 (BST)
From: Howard Wright
Subject: Haggis (NJC)
From: catman
>Haggis is a foul thing-minced meat and stuff wrapped in a sheeps stomach!
>
No, no, no! Haggis is a delicous thing! Lamb, onions, spices and barley
all mixed up to produce a wonderful savoury experience! Served with
creamed potatoes and a good strong beer it is unbeatable.
As possibly the only JMDLer living in Scotland, I felt I had to stick up
for the national dish!
Howard
P.S The best haggis are found wild, roaming the pine forests of the
Scottish highlands ;-)
>Denisongs@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> << pok pies, haggis, Marmite crisps, >>
>>
>> What are these things? ........Denise : )
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:18:08 -0400
From: JJM
Subject: Moving thru madness
Hi everyone...I enjoy reading everyone's comments and I only write
occassionally, but I'm compelled to share my madness. My madness is
this: I'm finding myself completely in some kind of warp where all I can
tolerate is Joni Mitchell. I can't turn on the radio or listen to any
of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only
other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori
Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone
else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks
for your comments.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:18:32 -0700
From: Michael Nold
Subject: joni covers
to all interested....i'm a musician in san francisco, and this past year,
organized via the net (like this joni group), a guy in the netherlands
rounded up springsteen covers from around the world and collected them on
compact disc....i contributed 2 tracks myself, and the whole project
ended up extremely fun and interesting....just folks, pro and mostly
amateur musicians making music for the joy of it, not for sale....later,
tape trees were set up to distribute our work around....i'd be willing to
organize the same type of project with joni songs if there's enough
interest....contact me at mnold@sirius.com.....
michael nold
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:34:28 EDT
From: Chilihead2@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)
Hi Wally,
Sorry to hear about the hassle you had with the publishing house for Joni's
book.
As so often happens in life when life throws you limes, make margaritas.
There is opportunity here. We can send the books to Joni and have her
personally autograph them. Smile! I can dream can't I?
May you be well and happy!
Bri just Chilin' :-)
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:37:16 -0400
From: Marsha
Subject: Re: joni covers
Michael Nold wrote:
> just folks, pro and mostly
> amateur musicians making music for the joy of it, not for sale....later,
> tape trees were set up to distribute our work around....i'd be willing to
> organize the same type of project with joni songs if there's enough
> interest....contact me at mnold@sirius.com.....
>
> michael nold
Hi, Michael.
That's been done here and has been out not quite 9 months.
"A Tape of You" has 35 songs done by jmdl members and
was presented in person to Joni for her birthday last
year, along with the jmdl birthday card we made
for her, which you can see on jmdl.com in the gallery
section.
Thanks for your interest. Hope to see you active on
the jonilist.
Marsha
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:04:19 -0400
From: "Ken (Slarty)"
Subject: Joni Biography at CD-Now
For those of you who haven't seen it the following is a
biography that is posted for Joni at the CD Now web site. I
thought it was kind of interesting.
b. Roberta Joan Anderson, 7 November
1943, Fort McLeod, Alberta, Canada. After
studying art in Calgary, this
singer-songwriter moved to Toronto in 1964,
where she married Chuck Mitchell in 1965.
The two performed together at coffeehouses
and folk clubs, playing several Mitchell
originals including 'The Circle Game'. The
latter was a response to Canadian Neil
Young who had recently written 'Sugar
Mountain', a paean to lost innocence, which
Mitchell herself included in her sets during
this period. While in Detroit, the Mitchells
met folk singer Tom Rush, who
unsuccessfully attempted to persuade Judy
Collins to cover Joni's 'Urge For Going'. He
later recorded the song himself, along with
the title track of his next album, The
Circle
Game. The previously reluctant Collins also
brought Mitchell's name to prominence by
covering 'Michael From Mountains' and
'Both Sides Now' on her 1967 album
Wildflowers.
Following her divorce in 1967, Mitchell
moved to New York and for a time planned a
career in design and clothing, selling Art
Nouveau work. Her success on the New
York folk circuit paid her bills, however,
and she became known as a strong
songwriter and engaging live performer,
backed only by her acoustic guitar and
dulcimer. At this time the astute producer
Joe Boyd took her to England, where she
played some low-key venues and on her
return she appeared at the Gaslight South
folk club in Coconut Grove, Florida. Her
trip produced several songs, including the
comical tribute to 'London Bridge', based on
the traditional nursery rhyme. The song
included such lines as 'London Bridge is
falling up/Save the tea leaves in my cup . .
.'
Other early material included the plaintive
'Eastern Rain', 'Just Like Me' and 'Brandy
Eyes', which displayed Mitchell's love of
sharp description and internal rhyme.
Mitchell was initially discovered by budding
manager Elliot Roberts at New York's Cafe
Au Go-Go, and shortly afterwards in
Coconut Grove by former Byrds member,
David Crosby. She and Crosby became
lovers, and he went on to produce her
startling debut album Joni Mitchell aka
Songs To A Seagull. Divided into two
sections, 'I Came To The City' and 'Out Of
The City And Down To The Seaside', the
work showed her early folk influence which
was equally strong on the 1969 follow-up
Clouds, which featured several songs
joyously proclaiming the possibilities
offered by life, as well as its melancholic
side. 'Chelsea Morning' presented a feeling
of wonder in its almost childlike
appreciation of everyday observations. The
title of the album was borrowed from a line
in 'Both Sides Now', which had since
become a massive worldwide hit for Judy
Collins. The chorus ('It's love's illusions
I
recall/I really don't know love at all')
became something of a statement of policy
from Mitchell, whose analyses of love - real
or illusory - dominated her work. With
Clouds,Mitchell paused for reflection,
drawing material from her past ('Tin Angel',
'Both Sides Now', 'Chelsea Morning') and
blending them with songs devoted to
new-found perplexities. If 'I Don't Know
Where I Stand' recreates the tentative
expectancy of an embryonic relationship,
'The Gallery' chronicles its decline, with
the
artist as the injured party. The singer,
however, was unsatisfied with the final
collection, and later termed it her artistic
nadir.
Apart from her skills as a writer, Mitchell
was a fine singer and imaginative guitarist
with a love of open tuning. Although some
critics still chose to see her primarily as
a
songwriter rather than a vocalist, there
were
already signs of important development on
her third album, Ladies Of The Canyon. Its
title track, with visions of antique chintz
and
wampum beads, mirrored the era's innocent
naïvety, a feature also prevailing on
'Willy',
the gauche portrait of her relationship with
singer Graham Nash. Mitchell is
nonetheless aware of the period's fragility,
and her rendition of 'Woodstock' (which she
never visited), a celebration of the hippie
dream in the hands of Crosby, Stills, Nash
And Young, becomes a eulogy herein. With
piano now in evidence, the music sounded
less sparse and the lyrics more ambitious.
portraying the hippie audience as searchers
for some lost Edenic bliss ('We are
stardust,
we are golden . . . and we've got to get
ourselves back to the garden'). With 'For
Free' (later covered by the Byrds), Mitchell
presented another one of her hobbyhorses -
the clash between commercial acceptance
and artistic integrity. Within the song,
Mitchell contrasts her professional success
with the uncomplicated pleasure that a
street
performer enjoys. The extent of Mitchell's
commercial acceptance was demonstrated on
the humorous 'Big Yellow Taxi', a sardonic
comment on the urban disregard for ecology.
The single was a surprise UK number 11 hit
and was even more surprisingly covered by
Bob Dylan.
Following a sabbatical, Mitchell returned
with her most introspective work to date,
Blue. Less melodic than her previous
albums, the arrangements were also more
challenging and the material self-analytical
to an almost alarming degree. Void of
sentimentality, the work also saw her
commenting on the American Dream in
'California' ('That was a dream some of us
had'). Austere and at times anti-romantic,
Blue was an essential product of the
singer-songwriter era. On Blue,the artist
moved from a purely folk-based perspective
to that of rock, as the piano, rather than
guitar, became the natural outlet for her
compositions. Stephen Stills (guitar/bass),
James Taylor (guitar), 'Sneaky' Pete
Kleinow (pedal steel) and Russ Kunkel
(drums) embellished material inspired by an
extended sojourn travelling in Europe, and
if
its sense of loss and longing echoed
previous
works, a new maturity instilled a lasting
resonance to the stellar inclusions,
'Carey',
'River' and the desolate title track. Any
lingering sense of musical restraint was
thrown off with For The Roses, in which
elaborate horn and woodwind sections
buoyed material on which personal themes
mixed with third-person narratives. The
dilemmas attached to fame and performing,
first aired on 'For Free', reappeared on the
title song and 'Blonde In The Bleachers'
while 'Woman Of Heart And Mind' charted
the reasons for dispute within a
relationship
in hitherto unexplored depths. 'You Turn Me
On, I'm A Radio' gave Mitchell a US Top 30
entry, but a fifteen month gap ensued before
Court And Spark appeared. Supported by the
subtle, jazz-based LA Express, Mitchell
offered a rich, luxuriant collection, marked
by an increased sophistication and dazzling
use of melody. The sweeping 'Help Me'
climbed to number 7 in the USA in 1974,
bringing its creator a hitherto unparalleled
commercial success. The emergence of
Mitchell as a well-rounded rock artist was
clearly underlined on Court And Spark with
its familiar commentary on the trials and
tribulations of stardom ('Free Man In
Paris').
The strength of the album lay in the
powerful
arrangements courtesy of Tom Scott, and
guitarist Robben Ford, plus Mitchell's own
love of jazz rhythms, most notably on her
amusing version of Annie Ross 's 'Twisted'.
The quality of Mitchell's live performances,
which included stadium gigs during 1974,
was captured on the live album Miles Of
Aisles.
In 1975, Mitchell produced the startling The
Hissing Of Summer Lawns, which not only
displayed her increasing interest in jazz,
but
also world music. Her most sophisticated
work to date, the album was less concerned
with introspection than a more generalized
commentary on American mores. In 'Harry's
House', the obsessive envy of personal
possessions is described against a swirling
musical backdrop that captures an almost
anomic feeling of derangement. The Burundi
drummers feature on 'The Jungle Line' in
which African primitivism is juxtaposed
alongside the swimming pools of the
Hollywood aristocracy. 'Edith And The
Kingpin' offers a startling evocation of
mutual dependency and the complex nature
of such a relationship ('His right hand
holds
Edith, his left hand holds his right/what
does
that hand desire that he grips it so
tight?').
Finally, there was the exuberance of the
opening 'In France They Kiss On Main
Street' and a return to the theme of 'For
Free'
on 'The Boho Dance'. The album deserved
the highest acclaim, but was greeted with a
mixed reception on its release, which
emphasized how difficult it was for Mitchell
to break free from her 'acoustic folk
singer'
persona. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns
confirmed this new-found means of
expression. Bereft of an accustomed
introspective tenor, its comments on
suburban values were surprising, yet were
the natural accompaniment to an
ever-growing desire to expand stylistic
perimeters. However, although Hejira was
equally adventurous, it was noticeably less
ornate, echoing the stark simplicity of
early
releases. The fretless bass of Jaco
Pastorius
wrought an ever-present poignancy to a
series of confessional compositions
reflecting the aching restlessness
encapsulated in 'Song For Sharon', an open
letter to a childhood friend. The same sense
of ambition marked with Hejira, Mitchell
produced another in-depth work which,
though less melodic and texturous than its
predecessor, was still a major work. The
dark humour of 'Coyote', the sharp
observation of 'Amelia' and the lovingly
cynical portrait of Furry Lewis, 'Furry
Sings
The Blues', were all memorable. The move
into jazz territory continued throughout
1978-79, first with the double album, Don
Juan's Reckless Daughter,and culminating
in her collaboration with Charlie Mingus.
The latter was probably Mitchell's bravest
work to date, although its invention was not
rewarded with sales and was greeted with
suspicion by the jazz community. On
Mingus, she adapted several of the master
musician's best-known compositions. It was
an admirable, but flawed, ambition, as her
often-reverential lyrics failed to convey
the
music's erstwhile sense of spontaneity. 'God
Must Be A Boogie Man' and 'The Wolf That
Lives In Lindsay', for which Joni wrote
words and music, succeeded simply because
they were better matched.
A live double album, Shadows And Light
featured Pat Metheny and Jaco Pastorius
among the guest musicians. Mitchell signed a
long-term contract with Geffen Records and
the first fruits of this deal were revealed
on
Wild Things Run Fast in 1982; following
this she married bassist Larry Klein, and
appeared to wind down her activities. A
more accessible work than her recent
efforts,
Wild Things Run Fast lacked the depth and
exploratory commitment of its predecessors.
The opening song, 'Chinese Cafe', remains
one of her finest compositions, blending
nostalgia with shattered hopes, but the
remainder of the set was musically
ill-focused, relying on unadventurous,
largely leaden arrangements. Its lighter
moments were well-chosen, however,
particularly on the humorous reading of
Leiber And Stoller 's 'Baby, I Don't Care'.
The Thomas Dolby -produced Dog Eat Dog
was critically underrated and represented
the
best of her 80s work. Despite such hi-tech
trappings, the shape of the material
remained
constant with 'Impossible Dreamer' echoing
the atmosphere of Court And Spark.
Elsewhere, 'Good Friends', an up-tempo duet
with Michael McDonald, and 'Lucky Girl',
confirmed Mitchell's newfound satisfaction
and contentment. In interviews, Mitchell
indicated her intention to pursue a career
in
painting, a comment which some took as
evidence of the loss of her musical muse.
Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm continued in a
similar vein, while including two notable
reworkings of popular tunes, 'Cool Water',
which also featured Willie Nelson, and
'Corrina Corrina', herein retitled 'A Bird
That Whistles'. Their appearance anticipated
the change of perspective contained on Night
Flight Home, issued in 1991 following a
three-year gap. Largely stripped of
contemporaneous clutter, this acoustic-based
collection invoked the intimacy of Hejira,
thus allowing full rein to Mitchell's vocal
and lyrical flair. Its release coincided
with
the artist's avowed wish to pursue her
painting talents - exhibitions of her 80s
canvases were held in London and
Edinburgh - and future musical directions
remain, as always, open to question. Her
remarkable body of work encompasses the
changing emotions and concerns of a
generation: from idealism to adult
responsibilities, while bearing her soul on
the traumas of already public relationships.
That she does so with insight and melodic
flair accounts for a deserved longevity.
With
Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm and Night Ride
Home, Mitchell reiterated the old themes in
a more relaxed style without ever
threatening
a new direction. The creatively quiet decade
that followed did little to detract from her
status, though many were pleased to witness
her renaissance in the 90s. Rumours
abounded in the 90s that her addiction to
cigarettes had caused a serious throat
ailment (her voice had become progressively
lower and huskier); although this was never
confirmed she was told to quit smoking -
which she promtly ignored. After
contributing a track, 'If I Could', to Seal
's
1994 album, she embarked on her first live
dates in 12 years on a tour of Canada,
before
settling in to the studio once more to
record
Turbulent Indigo with production support
from ex-husband Larry Klein in Los Angeles.
Although it was not a major hit she won a
Grammy in 1995 for Best Pop Album.
Mitchell is one artist that deserves a
detailed
biography; while we wait, Bill Ruhlmann's
revealing 25,000 word interview for
Goldmine magazine will have to suffice.
Still regarded as one of the finest
singer-songwriters of her generation,
Mitchell has displayed more artistic depth
and consistency than most of her illustrious
contemporaries from the 70s.
Encyclopedia of Popular Music Copyright Muze
UK Ltd.
1989 - 1998
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: wasp bites (NJC)
Just a reminder, as another njc fan, please
remember to include the njc label for those
posts that aren't joni related.
bill
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:32:10 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness
JJM wrote:
> My madness is this: I'm finding myself completely in some kind of warp where
all I can tolerate is Joni Mitchell. HELP!! Has anyone else ever gone
through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now.
I'm going through it as I write this, beginning again this morning with STAS
... I will probably play all of Joni's CDs in order now, for as long as it
takes, with perhaps an occasional Shawn Colvin break ...
It's not such a horrible madness, really ... except for the fact that I seem
to get really annoyed while listening to the car radio, causing me to have
what appears to road rage ... but it's really Radio Rage ... people stare at
me as I rail against "smooth jazz" (you know the kind: jazz that isn't really
jazz at all).
My dream is to become a DJ on the local college station, where I can happily
play all the Joni I want for an entire hour or two ...
Lori
in SATX
NP: Nathan La Franeer
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:48:24 -0400
From: heather
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness (NJC)
At 10:32 AM 9/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>It's not such a horrible madness, really ... except for the fact that I seem
>to get really annoyed while listening to the car radio, causing me to have
>what appears to road rage ... but it's really Radio Rage ... people stare at
>me as I rail against "smooth jazz" (you know the kind: jazz that isn't
really
>jazz at all).
>
Lori -
You don't mean Kenny G !!??
Ooooooooooh Noooooooooo ( Mr. Bill vertigo)
At that point I would be looking for my missle launching buttons on the
dashboard pretending I was at the video arcade :-)
Heather
PS - I often drive my neighbor bonkers by playing Joni very loud so I (and
my plants) can listen while gardening outside.
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:11:36 -0700
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness
Don't worry. I can relate. For me nobody has EVER come close! I've got a
12 CD changer in my car with random function. I find myself getting bored
with that and just listening to the 3 Joni CD's in their entirety! I
recently bought 4 new CD's including Elvis Costello, Catie Curtis and Eric
Clapton(2). They are all ok. They just don't mesmerize me like Joni.
JJM wrote:
> Hi everyone...I enjoy reading everyone's comments and I only write
> occassionally, but I'm compelled to share my madness. My madness is
> this: I'm finding myself completely in some kind of warp where all I can
> tolerate is Joni Mitchell. I can't turn on the radio or listen to any
> of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only
> other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori
> Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone
> else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks
> for your comments.
- --
Phyliss
pward@lightspeed.net
http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:15:40 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness
JJM wrote:
My suggestion:
Pull out 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band' by The Beatles. Or
'Revolver.' or 'Rubber Soul.' Any of those will blast through any
lack of music tolarance you're having. I was listening to Joni's
'Harlem in Havana' this morning on the way to work, and thought that
this song could have been on 'Sgt. Peppers.'
I am amazed at the story about this song. I mean, I went to lawn parties
and county fairs as a child and teenager, and while I have some fond
memories of these events, I am not a poet. I do have vision, but it
manifests itself in my art. I get inspiration from a song like
'Harlem.' It could have been on 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter.' It
feels like the same spirit behind that album's title track.
So, is it:
"That's a man
a yellow feathered man" (a drag queen wearing a boa"
or
"That's a man
with a yellow feathered fan"
discuss
sherrie
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:15:03 -0500
From: Mary Pitassi
Subject: Happy Jonifest!
As this weekend rapidly approaches, I'd like to extend my best wishes to
all who'll be attending the New England Jonifest at Ashara's. May you
enjoy safe travel, exuberant companionship, great music, and, of course
(appreciative nod to JamieJake), *much Joni*!!
Mary P.
- --Was in Pittsburgh; have to miss this one. Hope to see you in
Colorado in '99!
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:31:20 +0200
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: New home for my guitar files - and BOSTON!
Just a short note to let everyone know that Les has generously allowed
me to move my guitar files and other pages over to jmdl.com. I must say
I feel very thankful to be rid of all the Geocities banners and
advertising, although I am grateful that they provided me with space for
my first site. I hope other JMDLers who visit my new location will also
be happy with its cleaner, add-free look and faster page-loading.
You can find my guitar files at:
http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm
From there you can also check out my recipe and links pages if you're
interested.
The JM tuning patterns page is at:
http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jm_tunings.htm
I can hardly believe that in less than 24 hours I'll be flying to Boston
for Ashara's Jonifest! I'm really looking forward to seeing some
familiar faces from Julie Z's Pittsburgh bash (including the illustrious
Miz Z herself) and meeting some new folks. It's gonna be such a great
weekend of music and sharing!
I need to get some sleep tonight so that I can stay awake as much as
possible when I get there. Wish me a safe trip, and pray that Dr.
SigMondegreen can get her air ticket sorted out.
Marian
Vienna
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:45:38 -0600
From: Brett Code
Subject: RE: Moving thru madness
Just happens that, yesterday, I printed the lyrics to TTT from the JMHP. This is what they say:
third stanza
When Emmie Mae ran away
She came back a bottle blonde
God! The gossips had a gourmet feast
Chomping on how she was born
But miracle of miracles
Cuz we were underage
She got us nearly front row seats
To the right side of the stage
See that tall girl?
That's a man
That one, too
Big yellow feather fan
Barkers barking
Step right up, folks!
The show is about to begin
It's Harlem in Havana time
Step right in!
Silver spangles
See 'em dangle in the farm boy's eyes
Hootchie kootchie
Auntie Ruthie would've died
If she knew we were on the inside
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From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:15 AM
To: joni@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness
So, is it:
"That's a man
a yellow feathered man" (a drag queen wearing a boa"
or
"That's a man
with a yellow feathered fan"
discuss
sherrie
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: new book?
I read a blurb in the paper this morning
about a new book of interviews with
female songwriters. they mentioned the
usual lillith gang, but no mention of
joni. i think the book was called
Solo. Has anyone heard of this?
bill
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:02:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness
I can't relate. Risking charges of heresy,
I have to say that listening to any artist
exclusively for days on end would lessen my
appreciation over time. Even hejira would
begin to tire me if i played it over and over
and over. At the very least I would have to
put on some Barry White as a musical sorbet.
Bill
> tolerate is Joni Mitchell. I can't turn on the radio or listen to any
> of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only
> other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori
> Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone
> else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks
> for your comments.
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:15:41 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: Re: new book?
At 12:55 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I read a blurb in the paper this morning
>about a new book of interviews with
>female songwriters. they mentioned the
>usual lillith gang, but no mention of
>joni. i think the book was called
>Solo. Has anyone heard of this?
Yes I saw the new book at Borders, and you are right everyone and their
mother seems to be bio-ed there except Joni. Although a thick book, the
bios are fairly thin P.R. samples of the lives of these women. It seems
to be a marketing ploy to merely ride the wave of Lilith. The Rolling
Stone issue on "Women and Rock" which came out last year, was far more
substantial. -JulieZW
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:14 -0700
From: Steve Dulson
Subject: Chuck Mitchell
Eagle-eyed JamieJake wrote:
>Last night, watching Channel 4's Vile Teens season of films on the opening
>>credits to Porky's (yes that horrid 80's teenflick of my youth)
>one of the actors credited is Chuck Mitchell.
Well, as I posted here recently, he is doing some acting now, so....
could be! Now you just have to watch "Porky's" 15 times to figure
out who he is, and if he bears a resemblence to our Chuck. Maybe
if I tell my wife I have to rent it for a research project... :)
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:16:34 +0000
From: michael paz
Subject: Joni Fest
Hello All-
There is only one more day till JoniFest and I'm so excited to get to
meet some of my fave posters from the list. I have everyones requests
programmed into the VG-8 and I'm ready to go. I hope everyone has a
great Labor Day weekend and I will raise my glass to you all this week
end. Wally, thanx for the news on the books. Please autograph my book
for me inside one of the covers. Happy Birthday and Thank you to the
best web site on the planet.
Regards,
Michael
BNP-Crash Into Me-DMB
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:23:28 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: Moving thru madness
<<>>
At the risk of Les's wrath, I must say, "Me too!"
Besides, there is so so so so so much great music in the world.
I feel like I don't have enough time to get to it all as it is! :-)
We all know I love Joni's music, but I can name at least 20 other
artists whose music doesn't sound trite to me at all, before or
after listening to Joni.
- --Michael, who now that he thinks about it finds one or two of
Joni's early songs to be tinged w/ triteness [run for cover],
and who wonders what's so wrong with a little trite music every
now and then...
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: Buying TTT
Wally wrote:
> BUYING TTT
>
> In the past I've discussed how the Billboard album charts
> work, and the fact that SoundScan is a system they use to count CD sales
> and compute an album's position on the charts. These days,
> the position an album reaches in it's first week is almost always
> the highest position the album ever reaches- it's historical peak
> position.
> It is during that first crucial week that an artist's most dedicated fans
> are
> expected to run out to the store and buy it.
>
> Ordinarily, for sales of Joni's albums, I would recommend and approve
> of buying from small mom and pop CD stores, or from one of the newer
> online
> services, but unfortunately, these methods of purchasing TTT won't help
> Joni
> secure a high debut on those all-important Billboard charts.
>
> What you need to do on Taming The Tiger's release day is to physically
> go
> to a large CD store that is a participant in the SoundScan method
> (your store uses it if they pass the barcode of the CD over a scanner
> when they ring up your sale) and buy the album. If you don't purchase
> TTT on the first day, then you need to purchase a copy during the first
> five or six days after its release. Go to Tower, Virgin or another large
> store in your area. I'll be at my local Tower on September 29th, buying
> copies for myself and my friends- in both cassette and CD format, of
> course.
And what I was thinking: What would stop us from going out during that first
week and literally buying up the entire store stock of just that one title
(using plastic, of course)??
Of that quantity, of course, you'll want to keep some copies to give as gifts
and for personal consumption. The balance of the unopened units could be
returned to the store within the next 30 days for what should be a full refund
back to your card. Mom and Pop stores wouldn't let you pull this, but the big
stores should not be a problem.
Even if the returns on Day 29 are use to offset the purchases that same week,
we would have attained our goal of topping the charts for some percentage of
the first 4 weeks after release.
What do you think?
Brian, always scheming
np: NPR
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:28:41 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: Re: The Writers Contest Book Winners
At 11:18 PM 9/2/98 -0700, Wally wrote:
> I want to apologize to those of you who were notified that you'd won a
>copy of the book "Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems And Lyrics" and
>haven't yet received it. Here's what happened-
Dear Wally,
As if you need to worry about **this** at such a time in your life! But
thanks for all of your efforts in tracking the problem down. The
incompentence in business these days is astounding if you ask me.
For the new folks on the list, months and months ago, Bev, Les and Wally
worked together to create a writing contest in which the jmdl voted on the
winners. The top three winners had the amazing opportunity to have Joni
read their creations!
By the way, Wally (when you get the chance,)--- I could have missed this
on your site, but where is the post describing Joni's reaction to reading
the winning pieces? Im sure the jmdl newbies would love to read about it
-JulieZW
ps. Also do you still have your post describing Joni's reaction to the
JMDL Tribute Tape of JM songs performed by the Joni Mitchell Internet
Community? The new folks would love to read that write-up as well....
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:28:01 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: new book? (JC)
Julie wrote:
<<>>
Agreed. Especially cool was that all the essays were written by
female critics who knew exactly how to honor the women without
ghettoizing them.
I'll pop the book, including its chapter on Joni, into my bag for
Boston...
- --Michael
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:23:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rachel Kramer Bussel
Subject: Re: new book?
Actually I really like the Solo book because they let the women write
themselves so each seems to have her own voice. I haven't read it all yet,
just Mary Lou Lord, Shawn Colvin, Suzanne Vega, but it's kinda background
on their growing up and stuff, and at least you can trust that more than
you can trust a journalist writing about someone else.
rachel
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:37:08 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: Re: new book?
At 01:23 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Actually I really like the Solo book because they let the women write
>themselves so each seems to have her own voice.
Yikes, then I must be thinking of another book. If the "Solo" women
themselves took time to write their autbios, then that probably explains
why Joni's not in it. - Julie
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:32:31 -0700
From: jan gyn
Subject: RoTW...my cat sez eeh-eck! (NJC)
With all this discussion of cats and haggis, I thought I'd share this:
>>From today's Times:
>
>
> FROM RICHARD OWEN IN ROME
> CAT-LOVERS be warned: stick to spaghetti
> when you are next in Vicenza. Pet-owners in
> the prosperous, well-fed and normally rather
> staid town in the Veneto region are in uproar
> over a cookery book that includes a recipe for a
> local delicacy - casserole of cat.
>
> Enraged animal rights activists yesterday
> condemned Terenzio Sartore, a local historian
> and author of The Traditional Food and Cooking
> of Vicenza. The book has not reached the
> shops but advance copies have caused an
> outcry and Professor Sartore, 70, is reported to
> be in hiding.
>
> The book describes tasty but unexceptional
> recipes for traditional Veneto favourites such as
> polenta or pork and bean soup. Some of the
> dishes, admittedly, require a strong stomach -
> polenta with cow's lung (polenta e coradela), for
> example, or cheese with worms (in local dialect,
> formajo coi bai).
>
> But the recipe that has caused most offence is il
> gato in tecia (literally, cat in a pot). There was
> widespread disbelief yesterday over Professor
> Sartore's assertion that people have a tradition
> of eating cats in Vicenza, which is the centre of
> Italy's textile and computer industries and
> boasts many 16th-century buildings by Andrea
> Palladio.
>
> "Vicenza will forever be dubbed the city not of
> Palladian architecture, but of cat-eaters," said
> Corriere della Sera, the national daily. Italians -
> a nation of meat-eaters - are used to more
> unusual fare, including hare, rabbit and wild
> boar, but delicacies common in Roman times,
> such as dormice (fed on acorns and chestnuts),
> have fallen out of favour. According to Professor
> Sartore, however, cat stew has long been a
> Vicenza favourite, "probably as a substitute for
> rabbit, when rabbit was scarce". His book
> continues: "It is similar in texture and taste, and,
> if anything, less stringy. From time to time our
> housewives cook it, perhaps to justify our past
> reputation as cat-eaters."
>
> The book gives no instructions on how to bay leaves."
>
> Gianluca Felicetti, of the Italian Anti-Vivisection
> League, said it was considering legal action
> against Professor Sartore and the publisher of
> his book. "The ill-treatment and killing of cats is
> expressly forbidden under a 1991 law."
>
- -jan :)
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness
JJM (?) wrote:
> of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only
> other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori
> Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone
> else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks
> for your comments.
That's not madness.
That's perfectly normal here.
Welcome to the family.
Brian
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No folks above
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:48:05 -0700
From: Scott Price
Subject: Re: new book? - NJC
At 12:55 PM 9/3/98 -0400, Bill Dollinger wrote:
> i think the book was called
>Solo. Has anyone heard of this?
The book is titled: Solo -- Women Singer-Songwriters -- In Their Own Words.
ISBN 038532 4073. Despite lack of Joni content, highly recommended!
Scott
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:50:43 EDT
From: BH1248@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moving thru madness and NP
Michael Y. wrote, with pinpoint accuracy:
<< Besides, there is so so so so so much great music in the world.
I feel like I don't have enough time to get to it all as it is! :-) >>
In addition to the volumes of music we can't get to, there are books to read,
films to see, professional wrestling matches to attend, etc. :)
I listen to Joni periodically and luckily her catalog is capacious enough that
one can find a song to accommodate almost any whim, mood or thought. Lately,
for me, it's been the tape tree with "Facelift" and "My Secret Place" from
CMIAR. However, I love many other artists' repertoire equally: Neil Young, Bob
Dylan, REM, Beatles, etc.......you get the idea. I too, would get extremely
bored listening to one artist over and over.
One of the highlights of conversation with Michael and other Jonilista's in
Washington a couple of months ago was all the other music in the world besides
Joni. She's our common ground and launch pad to discovering and discussing
uncountable other artists, even though "they've never been on our TV screens".
So keep those "NP" (now playing) signatures on your posts. I find it
fascinating to know what other people, with a passion for Joni music, are
listening to.
Kingpin (with charm to sway)
NP: Beach Boys, "The Pet Sounds Sessions" box set
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:51:49 EDT
From: Chilihead2@aol.com
Subject: Going to Ashara's?- 2 Children of God "For Free"
Hi!
If you are going to Ashara's and will be taking RTE I-84 through Danbury,
Connecticut (just over the NY line), and you happen to have room for 2
stowaways who can supply gas money, conversation, and sing; please let me
know. Mrs. C also plays piano fairly well if you have one in your limo.
We are very close to the highway.
Thanks!
Chili and Mrs. Chili
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:54:18 -0400
From: Steve Garrison
Subject: Re: The Same Situation (NJC)
I'm also a fan. Saw Chris open for James McMurtry earlier in the year.
She opened with an a cappella version of Nick Drake's "Black Dog" which
sucked the oxygen right out of the room. The rest of the set was
excellent, too, and she was charming and gracious to speak with, but let
this be a lesson to performers ...when you drop the bomb with your first
number, where do you go from there? Clive's post breakup albums have
also been worth a listen, as you might expect, but not consistent, IMHO.
Incidentally, my ten yearend daughter (who, I might brag, sang the
national anthem for the local AA baseball team last year), heard Chris
sing Jackson Browne's "For A Dancer" and immediately declared her to be
her favorite singer. Ms. Collister was kind enough to sign a cassette
for her, and now Shaina's favorite song from the album is ... you
guessed! Same Situation. Last week I got her her own copy of Court and
Spark.
Michael Paz wrote:
>
> Azeem wrote:
> "I think my best one was persuading someone I met on a bus in Seattle
> to go and see Clive Gregson and Christine Collister that evening."
>
> Azeem I love these guys. I have the record with a version of The Same
> Situation. Found them totally bu accident but boy was I glad.
>
> Michael
>
> NP-The weather channel (storm please go awaY)
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