From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #336 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, September 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 336 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Doing a show. NJC [Hassan Zubairi ] Haggis (NJC) [Howard Wright ] Moving thru madness [JJM ] joni covers [Michael Nold ] (no subject) [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: joni covers [Marsha ] Joni Biography at CD-Now ["Ken (Slarty)" ] wasp bites (NJC) [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Moving thru madness [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Moving thru madness (NJC) [heather ] Re: Moving thru madness [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Moving thru madness [sherrie.good@chronicle.com] Happy Jonifest! [Mary Pitassi ] New home for my guitar files - and BOSTON! [M.Russell@iaea.org] RE: Moving thru madness [Brett Code ] new book? [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Moving thru madness [Bill Dollinger ] Re: new book? ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Chuck Mitchell [Steve Dulson ] Joni Fest [michael paz ] RE: Moving thru madness [Michael Yarbrough ] Buying TTT [Brian Gross ] Re: The Writers Contest Book Winners ["Julie Z. Webb" ] RE: new book? (JC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: new book? [Rachel Kramer Bussel ] Re: new book? ["Julie Z. Webb" ] RoTW...my cat sez eeh-eck! (NJC) [jan gyn ] Re: new book? - NJC [Scott Price ] Re: Moving thru madness and NP [BH1248@aol.com] Going to Ashara's?- 2 Children of God "For Free" [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: The Same Situation (NJC) [Steve Garrison Subject: Doing a show. NJC Hello folks, JamieJake here. Just thought I'd tell you that I'm going quiet for a few days up to the 12th due to the fact that I'm going to be out of the office as I am doing another fringe show. It's at the Pentameters Theatre in Hampstead. It's a pub venue theatre and one of the more prestigious. It's with the same director as Senora Carrar's Rifles. He's asked me to be in another play, which is nice. Unpaid, of course. Which isn't but hey, I'm not a struggling actor for nothing. The play is called Absence and Presence and it's only on for two nights Sunday the 13th and Monday the 14th of September. If any of the London Jimdler's Listers can make it, it would be great to hook up. Sorry I can't email you personally, I haven't got much time in the office today. SORRY! Much Joni JamieJake ps: this will keep my mind occupied until the 14th so I wont get desperate for TTT!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:53:56 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Haggis (NJC) From: catman >Haggis is a foul thing-minced meat and stuff wrapped in a sheeps stomach! > No, no, no! Haggis is a delicous thing! Lamb, onions, spices and barley all mixed up to produce a wonderful savoury experience! Served with creamed potatoes and a good strong beer it is unbeatable. As possibly the only JMDLer living in Scotland, I felt I had to stick up for the national dish! Howard P.S The best haggis are found wild, roaming the pine forests of the Scottish highlands ;-) >Denisongs@aol.com wrote: >> >> << pok pies, haggis, Marmite crisps, >> >> >> What are these things? ........Denise : ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 07:18:08 -0400 From: JJM Subject: Moving thru madness Hi everyone...I enjoy reading everyone's comments and I only write occassionally, but I'm compelled to share my madness. My madness is this: I'm finding myself completely in some kind of warp where all I can tolerate is Joni Mitchell. I can't turn on the radio or listen to any of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks for your comments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:18:32 -0700 From: Michael Nold Subject: joni covers to all interested....i'm a musician in san francisco, and this past year, organized via the net (like this joni group), a guy in the netherlands rounded up springsteen covers from around the world and collected them on compact disc....i contributed 2 tracks myself, and the whole project ended up extremely fun and interesting....just folks, pro and mostly amateur musicians making music for the joy of it, not for sale....later, tape trees were set up to distribute our work around....i'd be willing to organize the same type of project with joni songs if there's enough interest....contact me at mnold@sirius.com..... michael nold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:34:28 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Hi Wally, Sorry to hear about the hassle you had with the publishing house for Joni's book. As so often happens in life when life throws you limes, make margaritas. There is opportunity here. We can send the books to Joni and have her personally autograph them. Smile! I can dream can't I? May you be well and happy! Bri just Chilin' :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:37:16 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: joni covers Michael Nold wrote: > just folks, pro and mostly > amateur musicians making music for the joy of it, not for sale....later, > tape trees were set up to distribute our work around....i'd be willing to > organize the same type of project with joni songs if there's enough > interest....contact me at mnold@sirius.com..... > > michael nold Hi, Michael. That's been done here and has been out not quite 9 months. "A Tape of You" has 35 songs done by jmdl members and was presented in person to Joni for her birthday last year, along with the jmdl birthday card we made for her, which you can see on jmdl.com in the gallery section. Thanks for your interest. Hope to see you active on the jonilist. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:04:19 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Joni Biography at CD-Now For those of you who haven't seen it the following is a biography that is posted for Joni at the CD Now web site. I thought it was kind of interesting. b. Roberta Joan Anderson, 7 November 1943, Fort McLeod, Alberta, Canada. After studying art in Calgary, this singer-songwriter moved to Toronto in 1964, where she married Chuck Mitchell in 1965. The two performed together at coffeehouses and folk clubs, playing several Mitchell originals including 'The Circle Game'. The latter was a response to Canadian Neil Young who had recently written 'Sugar Mountain', a paean to lost innocence, which Mitchell herself included in her sets during this period. While in Detroit, the Mitchells met folk singer Tom Rush, who unsuccessfully attempted to persuade Judy Collins to cover Joni's 'Urge For Going'. He later recorded the song himself, along with the title track of his next album, The Circle Game. The previously reluctant Collins also brought Mitchell's name to prominence by covering 'Michael From Mountains' and 'Both Sides Now' on her 1967 album Wildflowers. Following her divorce in 1967, Mitchell moved to New York and for a time planned a career in design and clothing, selling Art Nouveau work. Her success on the New York folk circuit paid her bills, however, and she became known as a strong songwriter and engaging live performer, backed only by her acoustic guitar and dulcimer. At this time the astute producer Joe Boyd took her to England, where she played some low-key venues and on her return she appeared at the Gaslight South folk club in Coconut Grove, Florida. Her trip produced several songs, including the comical tribute to 'London Bridge', based on the traditional nursery rhyme. The song included such lines as 'London Bridge is falling up/Save the tea leaves in my cup . . .' Other early material included the plaintive 'Eastern Rain', 'Just Like Me' and 'Brandy Eyes', which displayed Mitchell's love of sharp description and internal rhyme. Mitchell was initially discovered by budding manager Elliot Roberts at New York's Cafe Au Go-Go, and shortly afterwards in Coconut Grove by former Byrds member, David Crosby. She and Crosby became lovers, and he went on to produce her startling debut album Joni Mitchell aka Songs To A Seagull. Divided into two sections, 'I Came To The City' and 'Out Of The City And Down To The Seaside', the work showed her early folk influence which was equally strong on the 1969 follow-up Clouds, which featured several songs joyously proclaiming the possibilities offered by life, as well as its melancholic side. 'Chelsea Morning' presented a feeling of wonder in its almost childlike appreciation of everyday observations. The title of the album was borrowed from a line in 'Both Sides Now', which had since become a massive worldwide hit for Judy Collins. The chorus ('It's love's illusions I recall/I really don't know love at all') became something of a statement of policy from Mitchell, whose analyses of love - real or illusory - dominated her work. With Clouds,Mitchell paused for reflection, drawing material from her past ('Tin Angel', 'Both Sides Now', 'Chelsea Morning') and blending them with songs devoted to new-found perplexities. If 'I Don't Know Where I Stand' recreates the tentative expectancy of an embryonic relationship, 'The Gallery' chronicles its decline, with the artist as the injured party. The singer, however, was unsatisfied with the final collection, and later termed it her artistic nadir. Apart from her skills as a writer, Mitchell was a fine singer and imaginative guitarist with a love of open tuning. Although some critics still chose to see her primarily as a songwriter rather than a vocalist, there were already signs of important development on her third album, Ladies Of The Canyon. Its title track, with visions of antique chintz and wampum beads, mirrored the era's innocent naïvety, a feature also prevailing on 'Willy', the gauche portrait of her relationship with singer Graham Nash. Mitchell is nonetheless aware of the period's fragility, and her rendition of 'Woodstock' (which she never visited), a celebration of the hippie dream in the hands of Crosby, Stills, Nash And Young, becomes a eulogy herein. With piano now in evidence, the music sounded less sparse and the lyrics more ambitious. portraying the hippie audience as searchers for some lost Edenic bliss ('We are stardust, we are golden . . . and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden'). With 'For Free' (later covered by the Byrds), Mitchell presented another one of her hobbyhorses - the clash between commercial acceptance and artistic integrity. Within the song, Mitchell contrasts her professional success with the uncomplicated pleasure that a street performer enjoys. The extent of Mitchell's commercial acceptance was demonstrated on the humorous 'Big Yellow Taxi', a sardonic comment on the urban disregard for ecology. The single was a surprise UK number 11 hit and was even more surprisingly covered by Bob Dylan. Following a sabbatical, Mitchell returned with her most introspective work to date, Blue. Less melodic than her previous albums, the arrangements were also more challenging and the material self-analytical to an almost alarming degree. Void of sentimentality, the work also saw her commenting on the American Dream in 'California' ('That was a dream some of us had'). Austere and at times anti-romantic, Blue was an essential product of the singer-songwriter era. On Blue,the artist moved from a purely folk-based perspective to that of rock, as the piano, rather than guitar, became the natural outlet for her compositions. Stephen Stills (guitar/bass), James Taylor (guitar), 'Sneaky' Pete Kleinow (pedal steel) and Russ Kunkel (drums) embellished material inspired by an extended sojourn travelling in Europe, and if its sense of loss and longing echoed previous works, a new maturity instilled a lasting resonance to the stellar inclusions, 'Carey', 'River' and the desolate title track. Any lingering sense of musical restraint was thrown off with For The Roses, in which elaborate horn and woodwind sections buoyed material on which personal themes mixed with third-person narratives. The dilemmas attached to fame and performing, first aired on 'For Free', reappeared on the title song and 'Blonde In The Bleachers' while 'Woman Of Heart And Mind' charted the reasons for dispute within a relationship in hitherto unexplored depths. 'You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio' gave Mitchell a US Top 30 entry, but a fifteen month gap ensued before Court And Spark appeared. Supported by the subtle, jazz-based LA Express, Mitchell offered a rich, luxuriant collection, marked by an increased sophistication and dazzling use of melody. The sweeping 'Help Me' climbed to number 7 in the USA in 1974, bringing its creator a hitherto unparalleled commercial success. The emergence of Mitchell as a well-rounded rock artist was clearly underlined on Court And Spark with its familiar commentary on the trials and tribulations of stardom ('Free Man In Paris'). The strength of the album lay in the powerful arrangements courtesy of Tom Scott, and guitarist Robben Ford, plus Mitchell's own love of jazz rhythms, most notably on her amusing version of Annie Ross 's 'Twisted'. The quality of Mitchell's live performances, which included stadium gigs during 1974, was captured on the live album Miles Of Aisles. In 1975, Mitchell produced the startling The Hissing Of Summer Lawns, which not only displayed her increasing interest in jazz, but also world music. Her most sophisticated work to date, the album was less concerned with introspection than a more generalized commentary on American mores. In 'Harry's House', the obsessive envy of personal possessions is described against a swirling musical backdrop that captures an almost anomic feeling of derangement. The Burundi drummers feature on 'The Jungle Line' in which African primitivism is juxtaposed alongside the swimming pools of the Hollywood aristocracy. 'Edith And The Kingpin' offers a startling evocation of mutual dependency and the complex nature of such a relationship ('His right hand holds Edith, his left hand holds his right/what does that hand desire that he grips it so tight?'). Finally, there was the exuberance of the opening 'In France They Kiss On Main Street' and a return to the theme of 'For Free' on 'The Boho Dance'. The album deserved the highest acclaim, but was greeted with a mixed reception on its release, which emphasized how difficult it was for Mitchell to break free from her 'acoustic folk singer' persona. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns confirmed this new-found means of expression. Bereft of an accustomed introspective tenor, its comments on suburban values were surprising, yet were the natural accompaniment to an ever-growing desire to expand stylistic perimeters. However, although Hejira was equally adventurous, it was noticeably less ornate, echoing the stark simplicity of early releases. The fretless bass of Jaco Pastorius wrought an ever-present poignancy to a series of confessional compositions reflecting the aching restlessness encapsulated in 'Song For Sharon', an open letter to a childhood friend. The same sense of ambition marked with Hejira, Mitchell produced another in-depth work which, though less melodic and texturous than its predecessor, was still a major work. The dark humour of 'Coyote', the sharp observation of 'Amelia' and the lovingly cynical portrait of Furry Lewis, 'Furry Sings The Blues', were all memorable. The move into jazz territory continued throughout 1978-79, first with the double album, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter,and culminating in her collaboration with Charlie Mingus. The latter was probably Mitchell's bravest work to date, although its invention was not rewarded with sales and was greeted with suspicion by the jazz community. On Mingus, she adapted several of the master musician's best-known compositions. It was an admirable, but flawed, ambition, as her often-reverential lyrics failed to convey the music's erstwhile sense of spontaneity. 'God Must Be A Boogie Man' and 'The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay', for which Joni wrote words and music, succeeded simply because they were better matched. A live double album, Shadows And Light featured Pat Metheny and Jaco Pastorius among the guest musicians. Mitchell signed a long-term contract with Geffen Records and the first fruits of this deal were revealed on Wild Things Run Fast in 1982; following this she married bassist Larry Klein, and appeared to wind down her activities. A more accessible work than her recent efforts, Wild Things Run Fast lacked the depth and exploratory commitment of its predecessors. The opening song, 'Chinese Cafe', remains one of her finest compositions, blending nostalgia with shattered hopes, but the remainder of the set was musically ill-focused, relying on unadventurous, largely leaden arrangements. Its lighter moments were well-chosen, however, particularly on the humorous reading of Leiber And Stoller 's 'Baby, I Don't Care'. The Thomas Dolby -produced Dog Eat Dog was critically underrated and represented the best of her 80s work. Despite such hi-tech trappings, the shape of the material remained constant with 'Impossible Dreamer' echoing the atmosphere of Court And Spark. Elsewhere, 'Good Friends', an up-tempo duet with Michael McDonald, and 'Lucky Girl', confirmed Mitchell's newfound satisfaction and contentment. In interviews, Mitchell indicated her intention to pursue a career in painting, a comment which some took as evidence of the loss of her musical muse. Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm continued in a similar vein, while including two notable reworkings of popular tunes, 'Cool Water', which also featured Willie Nelson, and 'Corrina Corrina', herein retitled 'A Bird That Whistles'. Their appearance anticipated the change of perspective contained on Night Flight Home, issued in 1991 following a three-year gap. Largely stripped of contemporaneous clutter, this acoustic-based collection invoked the intimacy of Hejira, thus allowing full rein to Mitchell's vocal and lyrical flair. Its release coincided with the artist's avowed wish to pursue her painting talents - exhibitions of her 80s canvases were held in London and Edinburgh - and future musical directions remain, as always, open to question. Her remarkable body of work encompasses the changing emotions and concerns of a generation: from idealism to adult responsibilities, while bearing her soul on the traumas of already public relationships. That she does so with insight and melodic flair accounts for a deserved longevity. With Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm and Night Ride Home, Mitchell reiterated the old themes in a more relaxed style without ever threatening a new direction. The creatively quiet decade that followed did little to detract from her status, though many were pleased to witness her renaissance in the 90s. Rumours abounded in the 90s that her addiction to cigarettes had caused a serious throat ailment (her voice had become progressively lower and huskier); although this was never confirmed she was told to quit smoking - which she promtly ignored. After contributing a track, 'If I Could', to Seal 's 1994 album, she embarked on her first live dates in 12 years on a tour of Canada, before settling in to the studio once more to record Turbulent Indigo with production support from ex-husband Larry Klein in Los Angeles. Although it was not a major hit she won a Grammy in 1995 for Best Pop Album. Mitchell is one artist that deserves a detailed biography; while we wait, Bill Ruhlmann's revealing 25,000 word interview for Goldmine magazine will have to suffice. Still regarded as one of the finest singer-songwriters of her generation, Mitchell has displayed more artistic depth and consistency than most of her illustrious contemporaries from the 70s. Encyclopedia of Popular Music Copyright Muze UK Ltd. 1989 - 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: wasp bites (NJC) Just a reminder, as another njc fan, please remember to include the njc label for those posts that aren't joni related. bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:32:10 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Moving thru madness JJM wrote: > My madness is this: I'm finding myself completely in some kind of warp where all I can tolerate is Joni Mitchell. HELP!! Has anyone else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. I'm going through it as I write this, beginning again this morning with STAS ... I will probably play all of Joni's CDs in order now, for as long as it takes, with perhaps an occasional Shawn Colvin break ... It's not such a horrible madness, really ... except for the fact that I seem to get really annoyed while listening to the car radio, causing me to have what appears to road rage ... but it's really Radio Rage ... people stare at me as I rail against "smooth jazz" (you know the kind: jazz that isn't really jazz at all). My dream is to become a DJ on the local college station, where I can happily play all the Joni I want for an entire hour or two ... Lori in SATX NP: Nathan La Franeer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:48:24 -0400 From: heather Subject: Re: Moving thru madness (NJC) At 10:32 AM 9/3/98 EDT, you wrote: >It's not such a horrible madness, really ... except for the fact that I seem >to get really annoyed while listening to the car radio, causing me to have >what appears to road rage ... but it's really Radio Rage ... people stare at >me as I rail against "smooth jazz" (you know the kind: jazz that isn't really >jazz at all). > Lori - You don't mean Kenny G !!?? Ooooooooooh Noooooooooo ( Mr. Bill vertigo) At that point I would be looking for my missle launching buttons on the dashboard pretending I was at the video arcade :-) Heather PS - I often drive my neighbor bonkers by playing Joni very loud so I (and my plants) can listen while gardening outside. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:11:36 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Moving thru madness Don't worry. I can relate. For me nobody has EVER come close! I've got a 12 CD changer in my car with random function. I find myself getting bored with that and just listening to the 3 Joni CD's in their entirety! I recently bought 4 new CD's including Elvis Costello, Catie Curtis and Eric Clapton(2). They are all ok. They just don't mesmerize me like Joni. JJM wrote: > Hi everyone...I enjoy reading everyone's comments and I only write > occassionally, but I'm compelled to share my madness. My madness is > this: I'm finding myself completely in some kind of warp where all I can > tolerate is Joni Mitchell. I can't turn on the radio or listen to any > of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only > other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori > Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone > else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks > for your comments. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:15:40 -0500 From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Subject: Re: Moving thru madness JJM wrote: My suggestion: Pull out 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band' by The Beatles. Or 'Revolver.' or 'Rubber Soul.' Any of those will blast through any lack of music tolarance you're having. I was listening to Joni's 'Harlem in Havana' this morning on the way to work, and thought that this song could have been on 'Sgt. Peppers.' I am amazed at the story about this song. I mean, I went to lawn parties and county fairs as a child and teenager, and while I have some fond memories of these events, I am not a poet. I do have vision, but it manifests itself in my art. I get inspiration from a song like 'Harlem.' It could have been on 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter.' It feels like the same spirit behind that album's title track. So, is it: "That's a man a yellow feathered man" (a drag queen wearing a boa" or "That's a man with a yellow feathered fan" discuss sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:15:03 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Happy Jonifest! As this weekend rapidly approaches, I'd like to extend my best wishes to all who'll be attending the New England Jonifest at Ashara's. May you enjoy safe travel, exuberant companionship, great music, and, of course (appreciative nod to JamieJake), *much Joni*!! Mary P. - --Was in Pittsburgh; have to miss this one. Hope to see you in Colorado in '99! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:31:20 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: New home for my guitar files - and BOSTON! Just a short note to let everyone know that Les has generously allowed me to move my guitar files and other pages over to jmdl.com. I must say I feel very thankful to be rid of all the Geocities banners and advertising, although I am grateful that they provided me with space for my first site. I hope other JMDLers who visit my new location will also be happy with its cleaner, add-free look and faster page-loading. You can find my guitar files at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm From there you can also check out my recipe and links pages if you're interested. The JM tuning patterns page is at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jm_tunings.htm I can hardly believe that in less than 24 hours I'll be flying to Boston for Ashara's Jonifest! I'm really looking forward to seeing some familiar faces from Julie Z's Pittsburgh bash (including the illustrious Miz Z herself) and meeting some new folks. It's gonna be such a great weekend of music and sharing! I need to get some sleep tonight so that I can stay awake as much as possible when I get there. Wish me a safe trip, and pray that Dr. SigMondegreen can get her air ticket sorted out. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:45:38 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: Moving thru madness Just happens that, yesterday, I printed the lyrics to TTT from the JMHP. This is what they say: third stanza When Emmie Mae ran away She came back a bottle blonde God! The gossips had a gourmet feast Chomping on how she was born But miracle of miracles Cuz we were underage She got us nearly front row seats To the right side of the stage See that tall girl? That's a man That one, too Big yellow feather fan Barkers barking Step right up, folks! The show is about to begin It's Harlem in Havana time Step right in! Silver spangles See 'em dangle in the farm boy's eyes Hootchie kootchie Auntie Ruthie would've died If she knew we were on the inside - ---------- From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:15 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Moving thru madness So, is it: "That's a man a yellow feathered man" (a drag queen wearing a boa" or "That's a man with a yellow feathered fan" discuss sherrie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: new book? I read a blurb in the paper this morning about a new book of interviews with female songwriters. they mentioned the usual lillith gang, but no mention of joni. i think the book was called Solo. Has anyone heard of this? bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:02:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Moving thru madness I can't relate. Risking charges of heresy, I have to say that listening to any artist exclusively for days on end would lessen my appreciation over time. Even hejira would begin to tire me if i played it over and over and over. At the very least I would have to put on some Barry White as a musical sorbet. Bill > tolerate is Joni Mitchell. I can't turn on the radio or listen to any > of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only > other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori > Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone > else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks > for your comments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:15:41 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: new book? At 12:55 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >I read a blurb in the paper this morning >about a new book of interviews with >female songwriters. they mentioned the >usual lillith gang, but no mention of >joni. i think the book was called >Solo. Has anyone heard of this? Yes I saw the new book at Borders, and you are right everyone and their mother seems to be bio-ed there except Joni. Although a thick book, the bios are fairly thin P.R. samples of the lives of these women. It seems to be a marketing ploy to merely ride the wave of Lilith. The Rolling Stone issue on "Women and Rock" which came out last year, was far more substantial. -JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:14 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chuck Mitchell Eagle-eyed JamieJake wrote: >Last night, watching Channel 4's Vile Teens season of films on the opening >>credits to Porky's (yes that horrid 80's teenflick of my youth) >one of the actors credited is Chuck Mitchell. Well, as I posted here recently, he is doing some acting now, so.... could be! Now you just have to watch "Porky's" 15 times to figure out who he is, and if he bears a resemblence to our Chuck. Maybe if I tell my wife I have to rent it for a research project... :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 12:16:34 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Joni Fest Hello All- There is only one more day till JoniFest and I'm so excited to get to meet some of my fave posters from the list. I have everyones requests programmed into the VG-8 and I'm ready to go. I hope everyone has a great Labor Day weekend and I will raise my glass to you all this week end. Wally, thanx for the news on the books. Please autograph my book for me inside one of the covers. Happy Birthday and Thank you to the best web site on the planet. Regards, Michael BNP-Crash Into Me-DMB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:23:28 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Moving thru madness <<>> At the risk of Les's wrath, I must say, "Me too!" Besides, there is so so so so so much great music in the world. I feel like I don't have enough time to get to it all as it is! :-) We all know I love Joni's music, but I can name at least 20 other artists whose music doesn't sound trite to me at all, before or after listening to Joni. - --Michael, who now that he thinks about it finds one or two of Joni's early songs to be tinged w/ triteness [run for cover], and who wonders what's so wrong with a little trite music every now and then... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Buying TTT Wally wrote: > BUYING TTT > > In the past I've discussed how the Billboard album charts > work, and the fact that SoundScan is a system they use to count CD sales > and compute an album's position on the charts. These days, > the position an album reaches in it's first week is almost always > the highest position the album ever reaches- it's historical peak > position. > It is during that first crucial week that an artist's most dedicated fans > are > expected to run out to the store and buy it. > > Ordinarily, for sales of Joni's albums, I would recommend and approve > of buying from small mom and pop CD stores, or from one of the newer > online > services, but unfortunately, these methods of purchasing TTT won't help > Joni > secure a high debut on those all-important Billboard charts. > > What you need to do on Taming The Tiger's release day is to physically > go > to a large CD store that is a participant in the SoundScan method > (your store uses it if they pass the barcode of the CD over a scanner > when they ring up your sale) and buy the album. If you don't purchase > TTT on the first day, then you need to purchase a copy during the first > five or six days after its release. Go to Tower, Virgin or another large > store in your area. I'll be at my local Tower on September 29th, buying > copies for myself and my friends- in both cassette and CD format, of > course. And what I was thinking: What would stop us from going out during that first week and literally buying up the entire store stock of just that one title (using plastic, of course)?? Of that quantity, of course, you'll want to keep some copies to give as gifts and for personal consumption. The balance of the unopened units could be returned to the store within the next 30 days for what should be a full refund back to your card. Mom and Pop stores wouldn't let you pull this, but the big stores should not be a problem. Even if the returns on Day 29 are use to offset the purchases that same week, we would have attained our goal of topping the charts for some percentage of the first 4 weeks after release. What do you think? Brian, always scheming np: NPR (welcome home kids) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:28:41 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: The Writers Contest Book Winners At 11:18 PM 9/2/98 -0700, Wally wrote: > I want to apologize to those of you who were notified that you'd won a >copy of the book "Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems And Lyrics" and >haven't yet received it. Here's what happened- Dear Wally, As if you need to worry about **this** at such a time in your life! But thanks for all of your efforts in tracking the problem down. The incompentence in business these days is astounding if you ask me. For the new folks on the list, months and months ago, Bev, Les and Wally worked together to create a writing contest in which the jmdl voted on the winners. The top three winners had the amazing opportunity to have Joni read their creations! By the way, Wally (when you get the chance,)--- I could have missed this on your site, but where is the post describing Joni's reaction to reading the winning pieces? Im sure the jmdl newbies would love to read about it -JulieZW ps. Also do you still have your post describing Joni's reaction to the JMDL Tribute Tape of JM songs performed by the Joni Mitchell Internet Community? The new folks would love to read that write-up as well.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:28:01 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: new book? (JC) Julie wrote: <<>> Agreed. Especially cool was that all the essays were written by female critics who knew exactly how to honor the women without ghettoizing them. I'll pop the book, including its chapter on Joni, into my bag for Boston... - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Rachel Kramer Bussel Subject: Re: new book? Actually I really like the Solo book because they let the women write themselves so each seems to have her own voice. I haven't read it all yet, just Mary Lou Lord, Shawn Colvin, Suzanne Vega, but it's kinda background on their growing up and stuff, and at least you can trust that more than you can trust a journalist writing about someone else. rachel "you only live a day but it's brilliant anyway" -- elliott smith - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- my Mary Lou Lord page is at http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/ To join the Mary Lou Lord mailing list, email Majordomo@smoe.org with ONLY "subscribe jinglejangle" OR "subscribe jinglejangle-digest" in the BODY. For info on my zine I'M NOT WAITING go to http://pages.nyu.edu/~rkb200/zine.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:37:08 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: new book? At 01:23 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >Actually I really like the Solo book because they let the women write >themselves so each seems to have her own voice. Yikes, then I must be thinking of another book. If the "Solo" women themselves took time to write their autbios, then that probably explains why Joni's not in it. - Julie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:32:31 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: RoTW...my cat sez eeh-eck! (NJC) With all this discussion of cats and haggis, I thought I'd share this: >>From today's Times: > > > FROM RICHARD OWEN IN ROME > CAT-LOVERS be warned: stick to spaghetti > when you are next in Vicenza. Pet-owners in > the prosperous, well-fed and normally rather > staid town in the Veneto region are in uproar > over a cookery book that includes a recipe for a > local delicacy - casserole of cat. > > Enraged animal rights activists yesterday > condemned Terenzio Sartore, a local historian > and author of The Traditional Food and Cooking > of Vicenza. The book has not reached the > shops but advance copies have caused an > outcry and Professor Sartore, 70, is reported to > be in hiding. > > The book describes tasty but unexceptional > recipes for traditional Veneto favourites such as > polenta or pork and bean soup. Some of the > dishes, admittedly, require a strong stomach - > polenta with cow's lung (polenta e coradela), for > example, or cheese with worms (in local dialect, > formajo coi bai). > > But the recipe that has caused most offence is il > gato in tecia (literally, cat in a pot). There was > widespread disbelief yesterday over Professor > Sartore's assertion that people have a tradition > of eating cats in Vicenza, which is the centre of > Italy's textile and computer industries and > boasts many 16th-century buildings by Andrea > Palladio. > > "Vicenza will forever be dubbed the city not of > Palladian architecture, but of cat-eaters," said > Corriere della Sera, the national daily. Italians - > a nation of meat-eaters - are used to more > unusual fare, including hare, rabbit and wild > boar, but delicacies common in Roman times, > such as dormice (fed on acorns and chestnuts), > have fallen out of favour. According to Professor > Sartore, however, cat stew has long been a > Vicenza favourite, "probably as a substitute for > rabbit, when rabbit was scarce". His book > continues: "It is similar in texture and taste, and, > if anything, less stringy. From time to time our > housewives cook it, perhaps to justify our past > reputation as cat-eaters." > > The book gives no instructions on how to bay leaves." > > Gianluca Felicetti, of the Italian Anti-Vivisection > League, said it was considering legal action > against Professor Sartore and the publisher of > his book. "The ill-treatment and killing of cats is > expressly forbidden under a 1991 law." > - -jan :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Moving thru madness JJM (?) wrote: > of my other music because it all sounds horribly trite to me. The only > other artist that stands a chance and gets about 1 day of play is Tori > Amos. Aside from that, I'm drowning in Joniness. HELP!! Has anyone > else ever gone through this??? I'm going on 3 weeks of it now. Thanks > for your comments. That's not madness. That's perfectly normal here. Welcome to the family. Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:48:05 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: new book? - NJC At 12:55 PM 9/3/98 -0400, Bill Dollinger wrote: > i think the book was called >Solo. Has anyone heard of this? The book is titled: Solo -- Women Singer-Songwriters -- In Their Own Words. ISBN 038532 4073. Despite lack of Joni content, highly recommended! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:50:43 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: Moving thru madness and NP Michael Y. wrote, with pinpoint accuracy: << Besides, there is so so so so so much great music in the world. I feel like I don't have enough time to get to it all as it is! :-) >> In addition to the volumes of music we can't get to, there are books to read, films to see, professional wrestling matches to attend, etc. :) I listen to Joni periodically and luckily her catalog is capacious enough that one can find a song to accommodate almost any whim, mood or thought. Lately, for me, it's been the tape tree with "Facelift" and "My Secret Place" from CMIAR. However, I love many other artists' repertoire equally: Neil Young, Bob Dylan, REM, Beatles, etc.......you get the idea. I too, would get extremely bored listening to one artist over and over. One of the highlights of conversation with Michael and other Jonilista's in Washington a couple of months ago was all the other music in the world besides Joni. She's our common ground and launch pad to discovering and discussing uncountable other artists, even though "they've never been on our TV screens". So keep those "NP" (now playing) signatures on your posts. I find it fascinating to know what other people, with a passion for Joni music, are listening to. Kingpin (with charm to sway) NP: Beach Boys, "The Pet Sounds Sessions" box set ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:51:49 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Going to Ashara's?- 2 Children of God "For Free" Hi! If you are going to Ashara's and will be taking RTE I-84 through Danbury, Connecticut (just over the NY line), and you happen to have room for 2 stowaways who can supply gas money, conversation, and sing; please let me know. Mrs. C also plays piano fairly well if you have one in your limo. We are very close to the highway. Thanks! Chili and Mrs. Chili ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:54:18 -0400 From: Steve Garrison Subject: Re: The Same Situation (NJC) I'm also a fan. Saw Chris open for James McMurtry earlier in the year. She opened with an a cappella version of Nick Drake's "Black Dog" which sucked the oxygen right out of the room. The rest of the set was excellent, too, and she was charming and gracious to speak with, but let this be a lesson to performers ...when you drop the bomb with your first number, where do you go from there? Clive's post breakup albums have also been worth a listen, as you might expect, but not consistent, IMHO. Incidentally, my ten yearend daughter (who, I might brag, sang the national anthem for the local AA baseball team last year), heard Chris sing Jackson Browne's "For A Dancer" and immediately declared her to be her favorite singer. Ms. Collister was kind enough to sign a cassette for her, and now Shaina's favorite song from the album is ... you guessed! Same Situation. Last week I got her her own copy of Court and Spark. Michael Paz wrote: > > Azeem wrote: > "I think my best one was persuading someone I met on a bus in Seattle > to go and see Clive Gregson and Christine Collister that evening." > > Azeem I love these guys. I have the record with a version of The Same > Situation. Found them totally bu accident but boy was I glad. > > Michael > > NP-The weather channel (storm please go awaY) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #336 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?