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JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 1 1998 Volume 03 : Number 333
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: brace yourself (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com]
RE: Blue CD UK [Howard Wright ]
alternate tunings for piano, guitar, violins ... [Howard Wright ]
WFUV [JAN201@aol.com]
Re: Pentangle NJC [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: spiritual fixation, NJC [PMcfad@aol.com]
Re: Blue CD UK [TerryM2442@aol.com]
RE: Raffle donations NJC [Howard Motyl ]
Christmas Music (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: Raffle donations NJC [Ashara@aol.com]
karen peris, ordering CDs, Atlanta Joni fans & San Diego [joe horne ]
Re: Cat Music (NJC) [catman ]
Re: "Sight for sore eyes" NJC [Marilune@aol.com]
(NJC) Another blasted Van Gogh update [Michael Yarbrough ]
Today in Joni History - September 2 [Today in Joni History ]
Re: "Sight for sore eyes" (some JC) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: Cat Music (NJC) [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
cat music? (njc) [Wolfebite@aol.com]
KFMU on Real Player (NJC so far ...) ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Cat Music (NJC) [Thomas Ross ]
Re: cat music? (njc) [catman ]
Sunny Sunday [PMcfad@aol.com]
Re: cat music? (njc) [TerryM2442@aol.com]
RealAudio (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: cat music? (njc) [Mark Domyancich ]
cat music (vljc) [Bounced Message ]
Re: Joni hearing ["M & C Urbanski" ]
mariana's got a new 'do (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com]
Re: cat music? (njc) [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: cat/guinea pig music? (njc) ["Julie Z. Webb" ]
Re: mariana's got a new 'do (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Cat Music (SJC) [Helen Gill ]
Re: Riki tiki(NJC) [Helen Gill ]
RE: your email address [trxschwa ]
RE: boyfriend music (njc) [Michael Yarbrough ]
Re: Sunny Sunday [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
FW: how the cat got her name (cat bios is the subject, which i consider to be inherently jc) [trxschw]
Re: cat/guinea pig music? (njc) [catman ]
Re: cat music (vljc) [catman ]
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 03:51:37 EDT
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Re: brace yourself (NJC)
jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes:
<< I always thought that Sandy Dennis had one of the most beautiful overbites
of the past couple decades, the other being you know who... >>
Marge Simpson?
- --David
NP: The Housemartins, _London 0 Hull 4_ ("Take Jesus -- take Marx -- take
Hope!")
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:33:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Howard Wright
Subject: RE: Blue CD UK
On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Hassan Zubairi wrote:
> There are about three short crackles in This Flight Tonight but the
> only crackle I am really aware of is when she sings Mystery. This is the
> one that is also apparent on the LP version.
>
I checked my Blue CD and vinyl copy. Both have exactly the same crackles
at these points:
"sometimes I think love is just mythical"
^^^^^^^^^^^
and, in the chorus just afterwards :
"starbright, starbright you got the lovin' that I like ..."
^^^^^^^^^
They are quite pronounced, though the first one is the loudest.
Does anyone have Blue on HDCD - if so, are the crackles there too?
Does anyone have a copy of Blue on CD/vinyl that *doesn't* have crackles
at these two points?
Since the noise appears on both vinyl and CD, it seems that the master
tape itself may have had a problem?
Maybe it's a re-occurence of the infamous Steely Dan story, where they had
a glitch in a song, and finally traced it to a small portion of tape. They
found something on the tape, and after analysing it, it turned out to be
mustard from a sound engineer's sandwich!
Howard
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:36:39 +0100 (BST)
From: Howard Wright
Subject: alternate tunings for piano, guitar, violins ...
>Mark wrote:
>
>> I've thought about this too. Can you alternately tune a violin? A bass?
>> Any other stringed instrument?
Steve wrote:
>You remember Joni's comments on the Joni/James Taylor concert tape?
>
>"This is a mountain dulcimer...you can tune it any way you want,
>just like a guitar, or a piano..."
>
>I've always loved the thought of Joni putting her piano into some
>alternate tuning....
>
Mark again:
>I don't think you can alternately tune a piano-since the keys are on a
>chromatic scale (That is, as you go up the keys the note after it is
>higher (B C C# D...). Tuning a piano is basically setting the piano in a
>correct note.
My thoughts on this:
If an instrument has strings, you can *always* use alternative tunings. We
are familiar with alternate guitar tunings, someone already mentioned some
classical pieces that use alternate violin and cello tunings.
Why not a piano, a bass, a mandolin?
By saying "alternate" tunings, we are implying that there is one standard
or traditional tuning for the instrument - but that is not to say we are
not allowed to experiment with new tunings.
A piano could be tuned in all sorts of ways - the notes don't *have* to be
in chromatic order. This is the tradition, and (nearly) all piano music
has been written with this in mind, but why not tune a piano using a whole
tone scale? You wouldn't be able to play music written for a
"traditionally tuned" piano, but you would be able to play a whole load of
new music that would not be possible on a standard-tuned piano.
New tunings open up new possibilities for an instrument - Joni has shown
us that! The same can be done for any instrument - but the music played
has to be matched with that tuning.
Howard
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 07:53:20 +0000
From: BarBearUh
Subject: spiritual fixation
Julie wrote:
> I think it would be interesting to hear more stories of how musicians
> from
> our youth somehow managed to become---for lack of a better espression:
> spiritual fixations, in a sense.
i think it's tough to explain how anything/one can become a spiritual fixation
because it's all about that connection that happens in some indescribable,
metaphysical, quantum mechanical place in your soul... but i'll bite. i can
at least explain how if not why, and where it lead me.
for me, the first musician to strike my chord was bob dylan. as a child, i
got along fine in the world and was able to communicate and interact, but
never at my level. that's really the wrong word, as it implies a level below
or above everyone else, but i can't think of another way to say it. perhaps
on another plane? anyhow, it's not to say i had some extra mojo or anything,
it's just due to some very early experiences that i had a tough time feeling a
deep connection to anyone.
then, one magical day, when i was twelve years old, a friend and i played her
older sister's records. one was 'blue', which i remember seeing but not
hearing. the other was 'blood on the tracks'. i loved this album immediately
and bought it as soon as i could save enough quarters from my allowance. the
only thing i can really say about it is that for the first time in my life,
someone was saying something in a way that made sense to me. he was speaking
in a language that i understood, that went way beyond what was normally
expressed. it's not like you can turn around and explain what he was saying
and why it was so important; it just simply mattered to me that he could look
at a situation and express the unspeakable about what was going on beneath the
surface in a way that made sense to me, in a way that i related to deeply, in
a way that i felt people were missing altogether.
although i had other favorite artists by then (the beatles, elton john, cat
stevens), none of them ever had such a major effect on my life. dylan led me
to so many things. by reading about him, i discovered woody guthrie, folk
music and all the american history that went with it. i discovered the blues.
i found joan baez, the band, van morrison, hank williams and countless others
via bob. i read joe gallo's biography. i read kerouac, dylan thomas, jd
salinger, ts eliot. i learned civil rights history. you could say all roads
lead to bob in my life. these days, i don't listen to him much. maybe once a
month i put on 'time out of mind', which is pretty brilliant. there were
times i listened to him daily for years, but i don't have to anymore. his
music is so embedded in my psyche that i've got a bob jukebox in my head, and
it don't need no quarters.
that's the end of that story, but seeing how i'm writing to the jmdl, i know
i've left this thing about joni hanging out there. i can vividly remember the
cover of 'blue' from that same day, and i know i liked it, but it didn't knock
me over the head like bob did. later that year, i heard 'court and spark'
(another friend's older brother's record) which i became hooked on. it took
me a longer time to assimilate joan. C&S became an immediate favorite, which
i also bought as soon as i could afford it. but the tracks i loved as a kid
are the tracks i like least now, namely 'raised on robbery', 'big yellow taxi'
and 'twisted'. it didn't take long, though. the onslaught of adolescence
quickly made 'down to you', 'same situation' and 'people's parties' into
little lifelines that could make me feel sane, that could make me feel i
wasn't the only one who saw the world through whatever color'd glasses i look
through. i knew that somewhere out there, there were other people who understood.
since i used our current vocabulary word...
Kenny wrote:
> Are you just checkin' out your mojo
> Or am I just fighting off growing old
> All I ever wanted
> Was just to come in from the cold
>
> Well the last thread on the meaning of "Mojo" was somewhat inconclusive.
> Now we have Joni herself using the word in a sentence, but its meaning
> remains elusive to me :-(
my impression of mojo has always been magic, but not general magic - personal
magic. your spiritual power, the glow of your aura, your magnetism. in the
blues, as in joni's lyric, it does take on a meaning closer to magnetic charm
and sexual power. with the doors 'mojo rising' (which i admit i've never paid
much attention to the lyrics), i always got the impression that sparks are
flying, there's sexual tension between us and it's getting thick, we've got
chemistry going here.
barbara
np: buena vista social club
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:58:28 EDT
From: JAN201@aol.com
Subject: WFUV
<
Subject: Re: Pentangle NJC
Mark or Travis wrote:
> J That was the band Grace Slick
> sang with before she joined the Airplane. I've never heard an Airplane
> version of SGRTR
Could be. It was hard to see the spinning album labels through all that
smoke!
Jerry
np: The Gorge
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:53:58 EDT
From: PMcfad@aol.com
Subject: Re: spiritual fixation, NJC
In a message dated 98-09-01 08:14:59 EDT, barbearuh writes:
<< i think it's tough to explain how anything/one can become a spiritual
fixation
because it's all about that connection that happens in some indescribable,
metaphysical, quantum mechanical place in your soul.. >>
I think you said it well here Barbearuh. You and Juli are on the same page.
I especially understand how you might not listen to Bob the way you did. THat
makes total sense to me. You transcended. That's very cool.
Whether a spiritual fixation or metaphysical quantum mechanical place in your
soul, we all find it, don't we. I call them clear moments. Times when we
know things are bigger than they appear, though we don't know how really big
they are. Then, over months or even years, they evolve and reveal themselves
to a new awareness.
I'm working on one now. Jeff Healey. I heard one of his songs on the radio
several months ago and I stopped driving. I just pulled over to hear it
because I know now when something has that sound. Since that time, I've
bought two of his cd's and I use him in a plethera of church related
activities. Not that I put it all into religion. Jeff fits here. See, he is
blind. Born seeing, he went blind at age 1. He plays blues and he holds his
guitar in a very not traditional way. On his lap and with his hands going
out. So his pinky becomes his first finger and his pointer his fourth finger.
This is weird. People told him to change it and he would play better, but he
held fast.
Well, he's blind, right. So wouldn't he like to keep his hands out infront of
him? Makes sense to me. His first album is called See the Light. From a
blind man. In church functions, I present him not to be religious, rather to
allow ourselves to evolve the way God wants us to, not as others or as we
think others want us to. If Jeff Healey did that, he would hold the guitar in
a traditional way and might not be as creative as he is. Then, we all can
learn from his blindness. We are all blind in some ways, and if he sees a
light, what then might we see if we try? See, we can't see God, only the
residuals. We can see God DNA though, and we know it when we see it. You
know, when a blind man sings, 'see the light'.
What I really like about him is that he loves the grunge bars. He plays alot
in Canada, his home, and when he does a big venue, he always goes out
afterwards with his band to the local dive spot, to play for free. He just
loves playing in the tough places and I think that's great.
Barbearuh and Juli, go girls. Fixate.
PJ
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:59:45 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Blue CD UK
In a message dated 9/1/98 7:34:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk
writes:
<< Does anyone have a copy of Blue on CD/vinyl that *doesn't* have crackles
at these two points?
>>
My Blue cassette has crackles, but I always assumed they were intentional, to
give it an old sound flavor at certain parts, as if listening to an old vinyl
record.
Terry
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:02:37 -0500
From: Howard Motyl
Subject: RE: Raffle donations NJC
Julie
I can donate a couple of videotapes I made--they were meant for kids but
adults love them, too. "Milk & Cookies" and "Bats & Balls" and each
tape shows how those products are made. Keebler chocolate chips cookies
and Rawlings Sporting Goods professional bats, balls, and gloves.
Whaddya think? I know there's no JM content but they're fun.
If you *have* to have Joni content then I could donate a copy of a short
film I made that has a poster of Dog Eat Dog prominently in the
background.
Lemme know
- --
Howard Motyl
Producer, MPI Teleproductions
16101 South 108th Avenue
Orland Park, IL 60462
708-873-3190
708.873.3177 Fax
http://www.mpimedia.com
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:06:22 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Christmas Music (NJC)
For the past 14 years I have been in a Christmas show here at the
University. We travel around for about a month doing about 30 shows in
schools, hospitals, nursing homes, etc. This is the 25th year for the
group. I usually do a solo, and a duet with the woman who founded the
group. She is an excellent singer. It's a reunion theme, with many
players from over the years joining the show. I'm to open with As Time
Goes By, a song I love. Am looking for a good duet to do with her. Two
of our favorites from the past have been Noel 1917, and The Peace Carol.
Thanks.
Jerry
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:38:01 EDT
From: Ashara@aol.com
Subject: Re: Raffle donations NJC
In a message dated 9/1/98 11:06:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
howard@mpimedia.com writes:
<< I can donate a couple of videotapes I made--they were meant for kids but
adults love them, too. "Milk & Cookies" and "Bats & Balls" and each tape
shows how those products are made. Keebler chocolate chips cookies and
Rawlings Sporting Goods professional bats, balls, and gloves. >>
GET OUT OF MY WAY!!!!!!!!!! As the hostess, I will be stealing these video
tapes before they ever even get to the raffle!!! (hee-hee) As a mother of
four boys, I spent many an hour cuddling with my kids, watching Sesame St.,
and.... (this is how *really* dedicated a parent I am) Mr. Rogers! My
absolutely favorite part was when they showed how things were made. It even
prompted me to go out and buy a book called "Watch It Made in the USA," a book
that lists companies all over the US that allow you to take a tour through
their manufacturing plants to see how their product is made. As a result, we
have seen firsthand how Cabot cheese is made, pretzels, Ben & Jerry's ice
cream, Corning glass, etc., so......
THEY'RE MINE, ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!
For those that have plans to come to the Labor Day party this Saturday:
Now that my "real" personality has come through, are you still brave enough to
come here?
;-)
Hugs,
Ashara
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: joe horne
Subject: karen peris, ordering CDs, Atlanta Joni fans & San Diego
I have always loved (the innocence mission) Karen's voice, very
child-like and sensitive. Their last recording (Glow) has a beautiful
song (Our Harry) that makes the CD worth buying (there are other good
songs on it as well!). I find that singing their songs to children
works great, like a lullaby...Karen is also very kind and humble in
person.
If I place an order (through Wally's site) will he get credit for
items other than Joni Mitchell stuff? This would be a nice way to
support the site. Does this work?
We should plan a gathering for Atlanta area Joni fans!
Lastly, I'm going to San Diego for the weekend (never been). I have
to go to that zoo! Any other suggestions?
peace love & understanding
joejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoe
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:54:55 -0400
From: sshaw@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu
Subject: smile on the face of the tiger (VLJC)
There was a young lady from Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tiger
or something like that
- - Sunil
Tom Ross asked
>the tiger limerick please, anyone?
>" and the smile of the tiger inside her?" ook, damn, can't remember!
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:57:27 EDT
From: kbarnicle@ensr.com
Subject: Cat Music (NJC)
We used to have a great blue-point siamese cat who went crazy over indian
(raga)-rock music by Ravi Shankar. He would climb the curtains and howl.
Must have been the sitar. So what did we name the cat? RAGA, of course!
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:21:06 PDT
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Cat Music (NJC)
Had to reply on this fantastic subject ...
>We used to have a great blue-point siamese cat who went crazy over
indian
>(raga)-rock music by Ravi Shankar. He would climb the curtains and
howl.
>Must have been the sitar. So what did we name the cat? RAGA, of
course!
>
I myself am the proud father of two Siamese cats -- Indra (seal point)
and Isis (lilac point). Their favorite album is John Serrie's "Tingri",
a very etherial synth instrumental that kind of turns your house into a
planetarium show. They'll saunter in whenever I put it on and plop down
right in the sweet spot between the speakers and roll around on the
carpet purring. I call it their sonic catnip! :-)
Don Rowe
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:27:00 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: Cat Music (NJC)
When I play ABBA my Himalayans and Persians put their platform shoes on and
boogie.
Don Rowe wrote:
> Had to reply on this fantastic subject ...
> >We used to have a great blue-point siamese cat who went crazy over
> indian
> >(raga)-rock music by Ravi Shankar. He would climb the curtains and
> howl.
> >Must have been the sitar. So what did we name the cat? RAGA, of
> course!
> >
> I myself am the proud father of two Siamese cats -- Indra (seal point)
> and Isis (lilac point). Their favorite album is John Serrie's "Tingri",
> a very etherial synth instrumental that kind of turns your house into a
> planetarium show. They'll saunter in whenever I put it on and plop down
> right in the sweet spot between the speakers and roll around on the
> carpet purring. I call it their sonic catnip! :-)
> Don Rowe
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:40:04 EDT
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Sight for sore eyes" NJC
In a message dated 8/31/98 7:43:11 PM, jlamadoo@one.net wrote:
>Lemme take a metaphorical stab at the expression
>"You sure are a sight for sore eyes."
>Imagine you've been in the desert for days and you've run out of water.
>You're hot, tired, thirsty, smelly. Okay? You are so worn that even
>your eyes are wrinkled up, squinty, parched, sore. Okay?
>
>Now imagine a movie star of your personal choice approaches you with a
>cold beverage of your choice. Would that be a pleasant sight? For your
>sore eyes?
well wouldn't mind so much if it was dave grohl from the foo fighters i
guess, even if my eyes were all f*cked up. bianca and i were once joking about
how i would refuse him if he told me to bring him x-file episodes (this was
pre-foos for me), but now i would!
- -mariana (who, after a commerical for the MTV music awards, just realized how
hot dave grohl is....le sigh....eat your heart out griffin hamill)
NP: Sarah McLachlan (tape I made for a friend, testing it out, rather good)
countdown 'till mariana gets her new 'do: 5 hours or so
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:05:51 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: (NJC) Another blasted Van Gogh update
I have received word that tickets for 11/7 are now sold out. My best
advice at this point is to get tix for some time close to that date, and
we'll put together a Van Gogh/Joni Birthday dinner for the night of 11/7
for everyone who is in town.
I know there are a few extra tix floating around out there. If you need
some or if you have some, let me know and I'll try to hook people up
w/ each other.
I'm very sorry this worked out this way. I did not anticipate the true
extent of the demand for this show. If I had, maybe we could have
all called Ticketbastard as soon as they became available and we'd
all have tix now, but, it was not to be. Sorry. We'll have fun anyway!
L.A., start organizing now! :-)
- --Michael
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:44:23 -0500
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: Re: (VLJC)Grad Night &Joni singing in bank
I can't believe that the indiscimiate persons in the bank would sing along
with joni. I want to move to your city, Howard! All they would sing around
here is a good old country song.
At 04:53 PM 8/31/1998 -0700, Steve Dulson wrote:
>Mariana wrote:>> she even>>has the picture from grad night at
disneyland '68.
>Oh God. I was there too. I'd graduated the year before from Pasadena
>High School. My date in '68 was Kim Wieland, graduating from Westchester
>(?) High School.
>Old age is a terrible thing...
First I get the very thought provoking, well written post by Don (Chinese
Cafe) about age and then Steve reminds me that my 30 year high school
reunion is this month. On top of that yesterday I fell getting of the bus
at school. When I told my daughter she asked if the any of the kids(college
students) asked if I'd broken a hip! Everyone's conspiring to make me feel
old!
But I won't give in!
Does anyone remember the line in the mini-series "The Thorn Birds" where
Barbara Stanwick says she may look old but inside of her is the young girl
she once was. I never understood that at the time but I sure do now!
Too bad we don't live in a society the reveres their ancient ones! The
youth of this nation has *no* respect for age..but then I didn't either
until I saw my parents really fading. My daughter just now is beginning to
realize that the elderly have very interesting stories to tell.
I want to wish everyone that is traveling to Boston this weekend to have a
safe trip and am really looking forward to a very detailed account of all
the happenings and lots of new tape for a tape tree.
Diana
NP: "Look Away" Chicago hits.
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:04:42 -0600
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: Blue CD UK
From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:23:10 -0700
>Howard wrote:
They are quite pronounced, though the first one is the loudest.=20
Does anyone have Blue on HDCD - if so, are the crackles there too?
I'm listening to the HDCD copy of Blue right now and the crackles are =
there. Very pronounced on "sometimes I think love is just mythical" and =
very slight on "starbright, starbright you got the lovin' that I like =
..." It must be on the master....
Best,
Davina
np....River
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:10:00 -0600
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - September 2
September 2:
1979: Joni performs at the Pacific Coliseum in Vancouver, British Columbia.
A few days later, Monday Magazine of Victoria publishes a review of the
concert, saying "She is a true artist - one of only a handful remaining
from the sixties who is still creative and vital today. Her craft is
dictated by, and is an extension of, her own personal insights. She
continues to take chances and challenges herself. That doesn't mean she's
always successful, but her failures (like any artist's) are just as
important and worthwhile as the successes when it comes to revealing the
extent of her abilities and her frame of mind at that particular point in
time."
Read the entire article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/mm790906.htm
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:27:42 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Sight for sore eyes" (some JC)
www.jonimitchell.com and www.jmdl.com, with many beautiful images of Joni, are
each a "site for sore eyes." ; )
Lori
in SATX
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:28:02 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: Re: Cat Music (NJC)
Name: Mr. Kitty
Age: aprox 14 years
Favorite song: St. Teresa by Joan Osborne
Favorite activities: Resting on deck banisters or sleeping on the bed
Sherrie
NP: Patty Loveless, Long Stretch of Lonesome
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:06:09 EDT
From: Wolfebite@aol.com
Subject: cat music? (njc)
what have i been missing- bios of our cats?
i'll bite
name: Erzulie
age: 2½ years
favorite song: anything by Yma Sumac
favorite activitie: chasing and fetching wadded up paper receipts, chasing me
down the hall, sitting at the table at dinner time (two paw rule) like the
other adults...
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:09:31 PDT
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: KFMU on Real Player (NJC so far ...)
After A Day In the Garden, I pulled out the RealPlayer G2 Beta and
started cruising the preset web-radio stations. KFMU of Steamboat
Springs is increadibly great. Yea, the audio is compressed, but in a
couple of hours heard Richard Thompson, Sara Mac, acoustic Freddy Jones,
Paul Simon ... I'm thinking it can only be a few more minutes until they
pull out the SIQUOMB. Anybody on list from around that area? Do they,
in fact play Joni? Even if only rarely, you guys are really lucky to
have a tasteful station like this!
Don Rowe
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:16:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thomas Ross
Subject: Re: Cat Music (NJC)
On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 kbarnicle@ensr.com wrote:
> We used to have a great blue-point siamese cat who went crazy over indian
> (raga)-rock music by Ravi Shankar. He would climb the curtains and howl.
> Must have been the sitar. So what did we name the cat? RAGA, of course!
well see siamese or thai music is a cousin (although remote) of indian
music, so. . . ;^)
my friend had a cat he named Takataka so that he could call:
Kiti kiti Takataka tuna din-din!
which is amusing if you know these are all Indian drumsyllable sounds.
tr
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:46:37 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: cat music? (njc)
James did the funniest thing. He loves me and is always followeing me
about(unfortunately I want him to follow the girls but it seems he takes after me
a little too much). Anyway, I was standing having a pee and he came rushing and
jumped to sit on the loo which of course was open. He landed head first, his bum
and tail and back legs almost vertical kicking like mad. I pissed myself laughing,
or rather all over James. I was still laughing as I pulled one soggy urine soaked
cat out of the loo! I wish I could have videod it! He always checks the seat is
down now.
James,Doris, Whitney, Wonder, Clara all love to watch snooker on the tv(pool in
case you don't have snooker in US/CAN). They chase the balls and rush round the
back of the tv when one is holed! They also rush to the tv if they hear a cat
meowing or see birds flying.
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:08:21 EDT
From: PMcfad@aol.com
Subject: Sunny Sunday
30 October, 1998
Yesterday was a Sunny Sunday in Savannah. I woke up and knew it was a day to
paint. The choices were tempting. So many choices. Painting is like
starting a new life. Nothing is cast. A fresh start.
You know, if you have children, you can't help but to think how nice it would
be to swap your body for one of their bodies. I mean to be 3 or 4 or 5 again.
A whole new body, without the wear and tear of thirty or forty years. What do
they call that, entropy? Atrophy? I don't know. Let's just call it 'wear
down.'
And after you live for years in this state of wear down, then your body starts
to feel the changes. Starts slow. An ache here or there. Not too bad. But
then, some things really start to change. Your knees, for example. They go
pretty quickly.
I have this friend who says his wife wants him to sleep down stairs, because
when he gets up at 5:30am to run, his knees crack so loud when he gets out of
bed that it wakes her up. No kidding. That's the type of wear down about
which I am speaking. That which will make a grown adult gnash their teeth in
envy. Envy for the novelty of a five year old, pre-atrophic, new little body.
Go ahead, ask a five year old what varicose means.
So, to stay healthy, we sublimate these energies. You know, spin them into a
more productive direction. It's supposed to work. I mean, there are other
options. I can go get a pistol like in the song, and wait till dark to shoot
it out the window at the street light. Or, I can get a brush, open my dreams,
my inner thoughts, and paint from my heart.
Sublimate.
I chose to paint. First, I set up the mood. I pick some music. Joni will
do fine to start. It is a Sunny Sunday. Paint is happening. The indigos are
running. That works. Next, some jazz blues. Pure blues won't work this
morning. Need a jazz rounding to the sound. Something like T-Bone Walker.
Stormy Monday Blues. That works, especially behind the Sunny Sunday.
Old T-Bone mixed it up good. He put those 9th chords and major 7th chords and
diminished chords in between the 1,4,5 progression. That is just the sound
for this painting. The leads run out of pentatonic. They go chromatic. They
go in a 2,5,1 jazz pattern against the 1,4,5 blues. That's a tension that
holds his music together. Self supporting. Like the paint and the brush.
They hold together in tension. A healthy relationship based in tension.
So now the music is set. We get some jo. Foglifter. Perfect to set the head
straight. Not too much cream. Just perfect. Open the shades for the right
light. Turn on Joni. Sip the jo. Look out at the sunshine. Pick the brush.
An angle cut. Perfect.
Lastly, the colors. What colors on such a fine Sunny Sunday. The choices are
too big. I need some help. I call my wife in. I explain the mood, the
music, I offer some coffee, I point outside, and I ask, …well, love of my
life, what colors do you see on this fine Sunny Sunday?
She looks taught with emotion. She's silent for an eternity. Seemed like
days waiting for her answer. She moved to the window. She touched the sill.
Finally, she answers:
"I told you, …eggshell on the walls and enamel on the trim.
You better stop playing around with this mood and get going.
My mother will be here on Tuesday and if you don't finish today the fumes
will be too strong for her to sleep in this room!"
Meanwhile, the five year olds are outside, enjoying this Sunny Sunday, with
their tanned, young limbs with invisible veins that don't stick out. They
look like their mother, you know.
Me, well I'm inside. Like old T-Bone. Held together in tension. A healthy
relationship based in tension. It works. Has for years. Don't know how.
Don't ask why. Painting is painting. And this painter has been sublimated
into a more positive direction.
Yesterday was a very Sunny Sunday.
PJ
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:35:20 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: cat music? (njc)
In a message dated 9/1/98 5:08:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Wolfebite@aol.com
writes:
<< what have i been missing- bios of our cats? >>
Hey, and what about us dog lovers??
Name: Annie ( kids insisted on the name, I wanted to name her Irma)
Breed: Portuguese Water Dog, brown (do NOT buy a puppie, they are insane. Get
an adult)
Age 4, thank GOD we got through adolescence with this maniac
Marital Status: asexual, not by choice
Favorite food: anything but dogfood.
Favorite song: Mr. Postman and Shoo' Fly
Favorite activity: Knocking phones off the hook every time "mommy" leaves the
house.
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:38:30 EDT
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: RealAudio (NJC)
Wow! Thanks to Don Rowe, I did some exploring on the RealAudio site and found
a whole section on Women In Music. Even my pal Jan Krist is represented! Tons
of archives shows to enjoy. Check it out:
http://www.compare.net/cgi-bin/webc/comparenet/home.webc
Terry
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:55:04 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: cat music? (njc)
Another cat one:
Name: Taffy (I named her after Tangy Taffy and my parents and sibs hated it).
Breed: Maine Coon Cat, gray tail, various patches of brownish-black, brown,
tan and white
Age: Will be 70 on Sept. 13
Marital status: Female, thought she was a lesbian a few times
Favorite food: Sugar cake doughnuts
Favorite song: Me tuning to or playing anything Joni
Favorite activity: Clawing on furniture, head-bunting everything in sight
(Including other heads)
NP-Cold Blue Steel from Ambler
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:40:23 -0600
From: Bounced Message
Subject: cat music (vljc)
From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:14:43 -0700
Okay, I'll bite too...I can't resist an animal thread!
Name: Lucy...a persian/tortoise mix
Age: 9 years
Favorite Song: Anything by David Lanz or Joni Piano Music
Favorite Activities: Sitting in the window and talking to the birds, =
spooning with my yellow lab "buddy", hiding in the linen closet, =
flirting with the male siamese next door and begging for mexican food =
(she LOVES el pollo loco)!
Best,
Davina
np: The drone of the A/C...thank goodness it's still working!
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:50:39 -0400
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Joni hearing
- ----------
> From: Howard Motyl
> To: joni@smoe.org
> Subject: Joni hearing
> Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 12:23 PM
>
> In the bank today, changing address on my bizness account--and
> reminiscing on how the business got started in the first place--and JM,
> the goddess, comes on the muzak singing "The Circle Game".
>
> Howard
Hey Howard,
Your bank and my grocery store must have the same muzak! However, I was
the only one singing along at the deli.
Marilyn
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:57:21 EDT
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: mariana's got a new 'do (NJC)
today i bid good-bye to my long hair that i've been growing out since the end
of seventh grade. well, GOOD RIDDANCE TO BORING HAIR. Why I didn't cut it off
earlier is beyond me. It's so liberating to have a short haircut. My head is
10 times lighter and I feel so much better. My body temperature has probably
lowered too.
Anyway, I walked into the salon and first thing they ask me to do is change
out of my t-shirt into this funky gray robe. This is my mum's salon at the
edge of Beverly Hills. When I sat down in the chair, the hairdresser,
Christina, went to the front desk and got a pair of desk scissors. She then
gathered my hair into a ponytail and proceeded to saw through it with desk
scissors. I had the grunge hairdo, minus dye, all uneven and jagged. My mum
kept the long tail of hair. It's weird. Just a few short hours ago, that was
on me, that was my hair. But now it's like a foreign animal, a reminder of
some other time. We then washed it (for the first time) and went back to start
the cutting.
I began to freak out a little here...I thought "oh shyte I'm gonna get the
seventh grade hairdo, I shoulda left it long". See when I was in seventh
grade, I was fatter and I had this short 'do that made my face look like a
pumpkin, really. But there was really nothing to do but go through with it. So
I sat while Christina snipped away. We shared a passion for Sarah McLachlan
(like Sarah post Fumbling, I've just shed a whole lotta hair and a whole lotta
angst). She likes the first album Touch best, while I'm split between
Surfacing and Solace.
That's when my hair do really began to take shape. It got more tailored
around the sides and the back became shorter. While Christina went to go
attend to another client, I was given time to play with my hair and come it
anyway I wanted. It was great and amazing. I was so happy.
It was basically dry by then, so we went back for the second wash to get more
control of the hair. She continued to snip snip snip and all this hair fell to
the floor. She was layering it in the back. When we finally washed it for the
third time to let it dry for itself, I felt so amazing. I could just "bottle
up and explode!" (elliott smith). You couldn't wipe the smile off my face. I
looked just so different.
So now the verdict: I love it! I love my new 'do, I love the way it makes my
face look, the way I look. I loved have that long hippie hair for a while, but
I never did anything with it. Now I can slick it back or put in barrettes or
poof it up with mousse or just comb it down, in 5 minutes! I feel so
different, I just cannot emphasize that enough. That long hair, as I said, now
seems to belong to another person, even though the only thing has changed is
my hair. And I can't believe it's even my own hair.
I guess you'll have to see it sometime.
- -mariana, still swooning over her new 'do.
NP: Elliott Smith, XO
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:14:34 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: cat music? (njc)
I wrote:
>Age: Will be 70 on Sept. 13
Oops! I meant cat years! (1 year counts as 7).
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:24:19 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
Subject: Re: cat/guinea pig music? (njc)
At 07:55 PM 9/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
First of all, I have to say that I am not a cat person. I am a dog-person
from way back. I used to love going outdoors with my childhood golden
retriever-ish mut, Charlie. We would play a game we both loved called
"Killer Dog"---- I would put on my brother's beat-up baseball mitt while
the dog chased me down--- trying to maul my mitt/hand. I found him to be
most adorable as he played-up "ferocious" but had enough intelligence to
never take it too far. He'd grab onto that mitt with clenched teeth, never
letting go, while I swung my hand back and forth, flying him up into the
air. It might have looked sadistic to some, but for he and I, it was truly
an exhilirating experience. I could cry just thinking about him. He died
my sophmore year in college.
Ok, so I like big, waspy dogs, but I married into a cat family...big
time. My husband can not handle life without a cat. His sibblings and
mother are all the same! (I remember my first family visit at the Webbs in
Tampa. During a two hour on-and-
off-gain conversation in the living room, those Webbs completely avoided
eye contact with each other, and instead, amusingly stared at the cats
playing with a ball of string.) I should have known then what I was getting
myself into.
Look, these days, I have no time to tend to a dog's needs until my
children are old enough to help...because God knows, Jon won't. He finds
dogs almost vulgar. So, our cat's name is Eponine. My ten year old
daughter, Adrienne named her after the character in Les Miz. I still call
Eponine---"kitty." I believe that the preference of cats vs. dogs is
genetic. I can see evidence of this in our twins alone. Two of my three
children are cat-people. And on the other end--is my son Peter and me.
When at the park ---you'll find us gazing upon virile, bandanna-collared
dogs with longing in our eyes.
So ok, ok, Ill answer your questionaire, but I promise you the answers
will be hardly original:
>Name: Eponine
>Breed: callico
>Age: 3 yrs
>Marital status: neutered
>Favorite food: cat food
>Favorite song: the vacuum cleaner exhaust. She loves it so much that she
bats the nozzle
>Favorite activity: sleeping
-Julie Z Webb, expecting to be sprayed by the PC CAT People
.......better run......
ps. Our calico guinea pigs gave birth to two babies the day Joni performed
at The Garden...a first for our family.....Names: "Cort" and "Sparky"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:19:37 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: mariana's got a new 'do (NJC)
Time to update that Gallery photo!
Mark, who should do the same! [Get a haircut and a new photo!]) :)
NP-Trouble Child (I love this groovy version from the Ambler concert!)
(No pun intended!)
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:30:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Helen Gill
Subject: Re: Cat Music (SJC)
When I play Joni my guinea pigs whip out their ciggies and start puffing
away.
helen.
"hey Helen, you got a light?"
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:39:46 +1000 (EST)
From: Helen Gill
Subject: Re: Riki tiki(NJC)
On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Thomas Ross wrote:
> my friend had a cat he named Takataka so that he could call:
> Kiti kiti Takataka tuna din-din!
> which is amusing if you know these are all Indian drumsyllable sounds.
Does anyone remember that kids book with the little kid who falls into the
well? terrifying! I am so proud to have just remember his complete
name...oh gasp, to think this has been taking up room in my brain for
years!...he was called (correct me if i'm wrong) :
Riki-tiki-tembo-no-sar-rembo-chari-bari-roochi-pip-perry-pembo
has fallen into the well!!!!!!!!!!!
helen.
np: the voice of riki-tiki's brother in my head, crying out!
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:35:22 -0400
From: trxschwa
Subject: RE: your email address
my sweet friend julie has told me that she's been sent a 'message
undeliverable' for four posts she's sent to the northeast list, recently.
but i've received each of the messages she was concerned about.
julie wrote >This is the address that they have you down for in
the jonifestne@jmdl.com data base: texknows@ix.netcom.com
which is the best part of all. tex definitely doesn't know, and if anyone
wants to share, tex is all ears... i'm trxscwa@bway.net and computers are
weird...
julie, thanks so much for your concern. i wanted to particularly say:
> "Love Song"
>The words I have to say
> May well be simple but they're true
> Until you give your love
> There's nothing more that we can do
>
> Love is the opening door
> Love is what we came here for
> No one could offer you more
> Do you know what I mean
> Have your eyes really seen
>
> You say it's very hard
> To leave behind the life we knew
> But there's no other way
> And now it's really up to you
>
> Love is the key we must turn
> Truth is the flame we must burn
> Freedom the lesson we must learn
> Do you know what I mean
> Have your eyes really seen
i love this song. deeply. i hope it is heard in the ashara household this
weekend.
patrick
silence, still
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:44:01 -0400
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: boyfriend music (njc)
>Name: Sean
>Breed: Russian Jew/Irish by way of SoCal
>Age: 29
>Marital status: illegal
>Favorite food: bean sprouts, avocado, you know, California food
>Favorite song: country women, R&B divas, off-beat raspy-voiced men
>Favorite activity: CENSORED
- --Michael, whose apt doesn't permit pets
NP: Pet Shop Boys (hah!), _Alternative_
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:50:55 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sunny Sunday
In a message dated 9/1/98 7:10:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PMcfad@aol.com
writes:
<< Go ahead, ask a five year old what varicose means.
>>
I asked Jacob, my 5-year-old son, and he said, "It means almost, like that
ball was vericose to being a home run."
Paul I
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:03:11 -0400
From: trxschwa
Subject: FW: how the cat got her name (cat bios is the subject, which i consider to be inherently jc)
one of my earliest jonilist friends got much of this
Cathy,
early in 82 i had a gorgeous orange tabby named Mandarin that was poisoned
by my landlord. i can't prove it but the same week he dissappeared my
roommate's cool black crooktailed cat Magic got deathly sick and wouldn't
eat for a week. And that was the week the landlord called and asked if we
had cats (we weren't supposed to). and Mandy, my poor boy never came back.
later that year i adopted twin black kittens and named them creechum and
vermin, i think they hated me for that. i had to give them back, they went
and lived on a farm
In 83 Kathy found a beautiful longhaired gray stray and named it Shadow. A
couple of months later another stray, a black and white one sort of like a
jersey cow, you know the type, had his way with Shadow. when we knew for
sure, i knew it was time to try again, so i actually knew my cat before it
was born.
Kathy wasn't home the night the kittens came. Shadow had done alright with
the first one a short haired boy who looked kind of like his father, except
grey and black. he was all washed and in the nest, two more were in the
nest, looking ragged and the fourth one was halfway out with the umbilical
around her neck, Kathy saved her and soothed Shadow. May 18, 1984.
That runt was the last to open its eyes the last to start moving around,
but around three weeks when they were quite active, little miss runt
obviously made some accomodation with her big dumb brother and suddenly it
was clear who ran the roost. mom was on the sidelines, middle sisters did
what they were told, and she who nearly died was in charge. some gremlin
in me looking for trouble said, i think this one will make my life
interesting. and the name Dragon first suggested itself.
I like mythical things, mandarin had been for the orange fur and the
suggestion of exoticism. i really felt i had offended the twins with
creechum and vermin. I really like dragons and she was so feisty.
the punchline is that her character couldn't resemble that of a dragons
less. she's more of a moony soap opera girl, with great glamour and
attitude. gets along with with every drag queen she meets, i think they
exchange tips. she's truly gorgeous, really long almost black fur with
white and grey underneath (her tummy's white); the fur on her face is much
shorter and black, she has penetrating green eyes and looks something like
an otter from straight on. she's 13 now, dowager empress of my manse, she
gives me grief and love.
This (your post) is wonderful, a cat genealogy of sorts, like in the Old
Testament
(. . .In the beginning there was Mandarin, slain by
he-who-shall-not-be-named, the faceless slumlord assassin, and Mandarin's
loss begat Creechum and Vermin, who were brothers to one another, but could
not remain, and went to live in the far lands, and into the breach came the
Shadow, and Shadow begat four children, the least of whom became the
greatest, and she was known as Dragon, for her fondness of drag queens, and
because she shines with all values known. . . .).
cathy keating i miss you. dragon's still here, 14 years on...
patrick
silence, still
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 04:06:00 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: cat/guinea pig music? (njc)
Well some of us can be both cat and dog people! Bi-animalist? After 18mths since our little Falan died,
I have just committed myself to buying a PUG! That should be fun when the cats meet her. Still, the can
console themsleves with knowing that they are pretty whilst Pugs are bloody ugly! But so cute.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 04:06:04 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: cat music (vljc)
Bounced Message wrote:
> From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:14:43 -0700
>
> Okay, I'll bite too...I can't resist an animal thread!
>
> Name: Lucy...a persian/tortoise mix
come again? an interspecies cross? How did you manage that? How did the cat
stand still long enough for the tortoise to get to it? do tell.
> Age: 9 years
> Favorite Song: Anything by David Lanz or Joni Piano Music
> Favorite Activities: Sitting in the window and talking to the birds, =
> spooning with my yellow lab "buddy", hiding in the linen closet, =
> flirting with the male siamese next door and begging for mexican food =
> (she LOVES el pollo loco)!
>
> Best,
> Davina
>
> np: The drone of the A/C...thank goodness it's still working!
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