From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #330 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 03 : Number 330 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Melody in Your Name ["Deb Messling" ] Re: big mistake or what? ["Deb Messling" ] boots/karen peris [MP123A321@aol.com] Fwd: boots/karen peris [Denisongs@aol.com] Re: Worldcafe with JM ? [Mark Domyancich ] PMcfad's post & last call for the chili commemorative surprise [Chilihead] Re:karen peris (NJC) ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Melody in Your Name [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: boots/karen peris ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Worldcafe with JM ? ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: So....... ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Mark Isham (includes jc) [Janet Hess ] Musings..... [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Joni in Ireland ["Twomey" ] Musicians who inspired ["Julie Z. Webb" ] RE: Backstage Passes [Bounced Message ] NJC: Richie Havens, Joy Askew, Mariana's new look [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: (NJC) Liz Phair in L.A. ["Kakki" ] Cockburn and Wilcox ["Alan Larson" ] world cafe tape [Denisongs@aol.com] I Stand Corrected!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Joy Askew [trxschwa ] RE: Mark Isham (includes jc) [trxschwa ] Collector"s Choice Music NJC [Skin Deep ] NJC: The Spanish Prisoner [catman ] I'm coming in to NYC. Dinner, anyone? [Brian Gross ] (NJC) Van Gogh addendum [Michael Yarbrough ] Fred Neil? NJC [Skin Deep ] Re: Mark Isham (now njc) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Hello, and John Martyn ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Sons of Champlin (NJC) ["Kakki" ] NJC - Any bilinguals on Joniland? [Les Irvin ] Re:australians ahoy! [Helen Gill ] Re: little joni grunts [Helen Gill ] Re: 2nd b-day [BH1248@aol.com] re:great big joni gruntings [Helen Gill ] Re: sayings [Helen Gill ] Re: joni muppets [Helen Gill ] re: last chance lost [Helen Gill ] Re: joni muppets [Brian Gross ] Re: Fred Neil? NJC [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Fred Neil? NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: sayings [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: sayings [IVPAUL42@aol.com] re: Lyrics [Marilune@aol.com] Princess Diana in Memorial (njc) [Marilune@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:10:52 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Melody in Your Name Oops, I either didn't type or didn't save the lyrics to this song. Can someone else (Terry?) post? Maybe these lyrics need a home on on the web pages. I imagine this is stuff new listers will want to know. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:15:40 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: big mistake or what? Claud, that makes a lot of sense. I admit I have been severely tempted by these bootlegs, but if we wait patiently I doubt there is anything on a boot that won't make it on a tree, and presented with more tender loving care. I just saw a version of the "Just Ice" bootleg which includes a track they call "LUST Like this Train." Now, can we imagine Simon making a mistake like that??? > 4.) I was so impressed with the intention and the integrity of the tape > tree, and I do not really think bootlegs should be profitable for > anyone, except for the artist, that I couldn't handing someone $25 bucks > for it. It just kind of annoyed me. I felt like I didn't really have a > connection with who and why? Does that make sense? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:48:47 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: boots/karen peris In a recent post by "Claud SansSoucie" : <> I really love that first album by them. I believe they have a third CD as well. Haven't gotten to Umbrella yet. Karen Peris recently did some vocals on Natalie Merchant' s recent "Ophelia" cd. Re: your post about the boot cd: Those performances are not unusually rare and I predict most will show up, hopefully,on tape trees in the future. Real good for free..so to speak. take care, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:04:53 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Fwd: boots/karen peris This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_904482293_boundary Content-ID: <0_904482293@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_904482293_boundary Content-ID: <0_904482293@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Denisongs@aol.com Return-path: To: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Re: boots/karen peris Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:04:09 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-30 08:51:05 EDT, you write: << > I love them! Karen Peris is a great writer! The song Umbrella makes me cry every time. The only frustration I have with them is that Karen has awful diction and it is very often difficult to understand what she is saying. Fortunately, the words are included on the CD. Larry Klein produces their 1st album. I don't remember if he did the later two. ..........Denise - --part0_904482293_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:44:04 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Worldcafe with JM ? We have a NPR affiliate over in Iowa-KUNI. They are always advertising the World Café so I'll check with them about it. At 9:29 PM -0600 8/29/98, Bounced Message wrote: >From: "Claud SansSoucie" >Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:54:51 -0400 > >Does anyone have the David Dye Worldcafe session with Joni Mitchell. I >would really love a copy of it! I can't get any station where I live that >carries it! I don't recall seeing a tape tree with it. >Claud > >Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog) >email: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net >tele: (717) 854-7171 >Web Page: http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| "Someday we'll look back on all this and ram into a parked car." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:33:48 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: PMcfad's post & last call for the chili commemorative surprise Hi and Good Sunday Morning, I really enjoyed PMcfad's post from the other day. It's worth going back to read if you missed it. "Good writing is good thinking" said one of my professors and this was prose from the heart with clarity and precision. A reflection on what it means to be a dad and a man in the nineties and the heros who have influenced his life. I am working on the commemorative bookmark, but it keeps turning into something else ( you know, the artist in me). I saw Kiss last year. We got backstage. My sister and I told Paul Stanley that we had tickets to see them twenty years ago but didn't make it. Paul said, "Some things are worth waiting for." Hopefully, you will find these bookmarks or whatever they turn out to be, also worth waiting for. So, if you were at The garden and would like one of these commemorative for lack of a better word, "surprises", please e-mail with your name and address if you haven't already. Thanks! - -Chili ;-) PS. Tom R the jazzman, I want to send you one. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:34:29 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re:karen peris (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: MP123A321@aol.com > > I really love that first album by them. I believe they have a third CD as >well. Haven't gotten to Umbrella yet. They have another album called GLOW that came out in 95. I really like all of them! Claud ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:36:26 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Melody in Your Name Deb, Thanks SO much for posting the other songs. A Melody In Your Name Can you still remember how it all began? With clipper ships and pink electric trees, Dawnlight on a skyline bridges' span, Street light on a rooftop memory. Then it was me and spring came, Playing a song of spring rain, A melody in your name. Night now comes much bluer than it used to be. The pink nun sings much sadder than before. She sings that sometimes things aren't what they Seem to be, like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor. Love is no more, it's ended. Paper and pins won't mend it; Even the moon pretended. There must be a reason, oh, there must be one. Keep your answers, let me find my own. Where do pretty stories get their endings from If loving always leaves you all alone? Kisses have shown me sorrow; Love is a throne to borrow; Pay for the loan tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:43:40 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: boots/karen peris - -----Original Message----- Denise wrote >....Karen Peris is a great writer! The song Umbrella makes me cry every time. The only frustration I have with them is that Karen has awful diction and it is very often difficult to understand what she is saying. Fortunately, the words are included on the CD. < Yes I have noticed this too. Live it gets even worse but her beutiful tender delivery makes up for it. I do love Umbrella also very much - it is a beautiful metaphor for how we guard ourselves! >Larry Klein produces their 1st album. I don't remember if he did the later two. The Cd simple called The Innocence Mission was also produce d by Larry Klein. The album Glow from 95 was produced by Dennis Herring (whoever he is?) Glad to hear some you like her as well! Speaks for the good taste in this group. Claud ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:48:08 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Worldcafe with JM ? I did contact the WXPN station that broadcasts the show where I am and they told me they don't release tapes of the show. So maybe you have better luck! Let's hope so! David Dye's shows are usually really great. Keep in touch! Claud - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Domyancich >We have a NPR affiliate over in Iowa-KUNI. They are always advertising the >World Café so I'll check with them about it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:41:23 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: So....... Ashara, if I am coming I'll be just me! My husband can't take off Saturday and now I have to be back by Sunday for a gig. Things are kind of screwy but I haven't given up yet. If I were to come like early Friday afternoon til Sunday morning, would I be missing the main party or when is everybody arriving. I thought if I get there sooner than some I could always help you getting things ready or so. In terms of sleeping arrangements, I would be happy to crash even in my car - I am extremely low maintenance! All I need is a bathroom on occasion ;-) I still didn't get any forms or questionnaires - I did sing up and was confirmed for the Jonifest list but I haven't gotten anything. Am I missing something? Crossing my fingers Claud -----Original Message----- From: Ashara@aol.com To: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 11:02 AM Subject: So....... >So....How is it looking for the SansSoucies for Labor Day? > >Hugs, >Ashara > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:52:05 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Mark Isham (includes jc) Yes, yes, yes! When I read that Mark Isham was playing with Joni, I think I actually cheered here at the computer. I love "Blue Sun" and listen to it often; it's terrific winding-down-for-the-night music. I think he's amazing. Some of the things he's done on Windham Hill are very nice ("Vapor Drawings," "Film Music" and "Tibet," for example), and he won a Grammy for the album called "Mark Isham." One astounding cassette I have is the soundtrack for "Trouble In Mind." Have no idea whether it was ever issued on CD or whether it's in print, but this one is incredible because of the collaboration of two distinctive artists: Mark Isham and Marianne Faithful. His horn and her voice are more than the sum of their parts, and their parts aren't exactly chopped liver. :-) People who think they've never heard Mark Isham are probably wrong. He's done lots of work on soundtracks and also a good number of TV themes. Lifetime recently began the "Chicago Hope" series, starting with the first year (which I and many other folks missed; CH was on opposite "ER" then, and guess who won?). The point of all this is that Mark Isham did the original theme for "Chicago Hope," and it's a winner. It's terrific to be able to look forward to Mark and Joni continuing to work together. Cheerz, Janet At 09:24 PM 8/29/98 -0600, Tom Turley wrote: > >Hey Joni friends--after Mark Isham played with Joni at the tapings in >Burbank in May, I bought his album Blue Sun and checked out his web site >-- I think it was mentioned on the list back in May or June. I surfed >over and learned quite a bit about the guy--very impressive career. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:32:52 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Musings..... I just wanted to take a moment to touch base with all of you, if you will indulge me for a moment. In my very first post, (which seems like a hundred years ago now), I mentioned how excited I was to find a group of people that were as excited about, and committed to, Joni Mitchell's music as I am. I was so thrilled to find such a like-minded group, that I posted my first post before I had even read *one word* from all of you! I had no idea what any of you were like, or the depth and breadth of this group of individuals. After being on this list for over half a year, I have to say you have become a family and a community to me. I have laughed, cried, rolled my eyes, and embraced all of you- all from a little box in my living room! Now that the Labor Day party is only a few short days away, I have had some to reflect on what this all means to me. As completely crazy as it seems to have a few dozen complete strangers from all over the country (and Austria) descend upon my home overnight, and as hypocritical as it seems to my children, ("*Never* give out your real name, address, etc. on the Internet,") it seems completely natural and "right" to do this. I am so excited to be meeting so many of you in just a short while, and to be able to give you a "real" hug, instead of a cyber-hug! For those of you who are not able to make it to the Labor Day party on Saturday, you will be missed, and please know you will absolutely be here in my heart. Thanks to all of you for such a rich, rewarding experience of community. (Now, can you guys call all my worried friends, and let them know that this *really* is going to be **OK**? Geez!!) ::grin:: Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:54:36 +0100 From: "Twomey" Subject: Re: Joni in Ireland Hi all, Thanks to Phillip for posting the details about Joni's visit to Ireland in 1983. I remember asking the list about it many months ago and noone seemed to have any info. By coincidence I was in the Shelbourne (good) Hotel the day I read the post. Also, great to see so many of you are into Kate as well as Joni. I am in awe of the last two albums from Ms. Bush, they are perfect for riding stormy oceans and calm lakes both. Mmmh yes indeed. If anyone on the list ever has any Kate type questions they need answered then please feel free to email me. The other day in Dublin my heart leapt when I saw a CD in a "Taming The Tiger" section of the Joni CD's in HMV. But it was just one of those "please ask at the counter for release information" inserts in a jewel case. <:-( Still, I can wait! Take care, Sean :-) Kate Bush News & Information http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:14:00 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Musicians who inspired At 10:33 AM 8/30/98 EDT, Chili wrote: >I really enjoyed PMcfad's post from the other day. It's worth going back to >read if you missed it. Yes yes, in fact I printed it out last night just so I could take time to savor it on hard copy. It's actually a great thread model too, because for some reason it surfaced a memory on how Joni made an impact on my life as a young woman----but what specifically surfaced last night--- was the perspective of my 'first hero,' my mother, who in some ways, lost me to Joni's music. Maybe someday Ill explore this here. I think it would be interesting to hear more stories of how musicians from our youth somehow managed to become---for lack of a better espression: spiritual fixations, in a sense. Last week I had scanned the web site of the movie "Buffalo 66" and discovered that the film's creator, Vincent Gallo, was inspired by the band "Yes," and I remember lots of people from that time loved "Yes," Eric Clapton etc etc -JulieZW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:31:19 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: Backstage Passes From: "secret" Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:18:58 +0100 Leslie, that is a fascinating account of Al Kooper giving Mitchell the connection to Judy Collins. ~I have vague recollection of Judy Collins mentioning a Kooper konnection in one of her memoirs. Previous accounts have emphasised Elliot Roberts' role in taking Joni from obscurity in the village to the west coast and the rest is supposedly history. But if Judy Collins had not recorded Both Sides Now and made it a hit around the world, Joni Mitchell might have continued as a moderately successful singer-songwriter instead of the superstar she quickly became at that time. Interesting character Kooper if a little egotistical, and what about the drummer from the Blues Project - he's the one I feel sorry for. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:09:35 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Richie Havens, Joy Askew, Mariana's new look Thanks, Roger, for re-printing the lyrics to Pink Floyd's "On Turning Away" -- this was the song Richie did a cappella for his encore. And it was awesome... just awesome. The man has been blessed with the fortitude to keep walking the walk! Also, thanks to you Joy Askew fans who've been posting about her -- I was able to pick up her "Tender City" CD yesterday at a music store parking lot sale for a mere 75 cents (where's my 'cents' key??) -- almost feel bad about paying so little, but what a nice treat! To Mariana: Happiness is the Best Haircut?? Thanks to Marsha and Patrick for your gentle yet perfectly aimed arrows of logic and reason... - -- Kate in CO NP: Hands Tied Tongue Tied ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:16:44 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) Elliott Smith's new CD for low $ While I'm not generally in the habit of shilling for large corporations, I thought some of you might like to know that Elliott Smith's latest, _XO_, is currently available at all US Tower Records locations for a mere $7.99. - --Michael NP: Liz Phair, _whitechocolatespaceegg_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:38:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: It's A Beautiful Day (NJC) Ric wrote: "(or was it "It's A Beautiful Day" - remember "White Bird" ??? does anyone know if this classic is available in CD? " Hi Ric- It was It's A Beautiful Day". They were based out of New Orleans with David and Patti LaFlamme (from Mississippi I think), and Billy Gregory +. I saw them at the Warehouse in N.O. in the early seventies. I found a copy of there album "Today" which was the second album (which I love). I do believe the one with White Bird is on CD and I think they have it at Tower. Do you want me to pick it up for you? I have a midi file which I am sending to you privately of White Bird. Best, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:55:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Liz Phair in L.A. Liz Phair will be appearing in L.A. at the Mayan Theater on September 24th. This is a trip - the Mayan is a very old and interesting, mock-Mayan style building right in downtown L.A. (just a few blocks from me). It is usually the site of local raves and/or funky after-work revelry for lawyers and investment bankers to let their hair down, and rarely has performances by artists of Phair's renown. So now I guess I have no choice but to try to go, especially after Michael Y.'s efforts at mass hypnosis through repeated power of suggestion here!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:22:40 -0700 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: Cockburn and Wilcox - -thanks charlotte- i really appreciate kind words from people on the list the cd i have listened to most in the past year or so... over and over and over... is world of wonders with they call it democracy... and i'm simply amazed that it doesn't get more mention from bruce fans... many great songs on that cd as for production values, it's so hard for me to tell what to attribute to the musician and what goes to the producer... i do know that the version of rocket launcher i heard first on austin city limits with a kick ass lead guitar was far superior, imho, than the version on stealing fire... real eclectic... does anybody recall this version... was it ever released? also heard that david wilcox put out a re release of some of his early acoustic stuff in 96 that i'm really looking forward to ordering... any david fans... a reviewer on his web page said that he is often compared to JT, which i've been doing since i first heard him... my modern day James I call him... alan@ames.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:45:15 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: world cafe tape I don't remember who asked for the world cafe tape, but I have it! I am not sure exactly where at the moment, but if you are patient with me, I will find it. I have this terrible habit of not labeling tapes. I will look for it. Denise : ) P.S. some of it was used for the show "the difference" and I believe that is on an existing tape tree. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:49:44 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: I Stand Corrected!! (NJC) I Stand Corrected!! OOpppsSSS I new all those funny cigarettes (throughout those savage seventies) would come back to haunt me. It was David and Linda LaFlamme. There was a Patti in the group It's A Beautiful Day, but it was Patti Santos. She was a singer on the White Bird album. She stepped to the front on It's A Beautiful Day Today, after David and LINDA left the group. Also a new keyboard player Fred Webb did some rockin vocals as well. Great bands tho (both). Peace, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:04:46 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: Joy Askew i sent my post to chris kornmann, the cmj guy who notified the list. got a really nice reply. she's playing again at the living room, next wednesday at 10:00, but i have other plans. i do want to catch her again soon. here's a website. i haven't checked it out yet. http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy/joyaskew.html patrick np - stratas - weill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:57:16 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Mark Isham (includes jc) hey janet, i had posted about vapour drawings, his film scores (the one for never cry wolf is perfect; his trademark sound is a lonely muted trumpet, never cry wolf is gorgeous visually, it's quite a match) and the terrific trouble in mind soundtrack some time after the taping in la in may. mark also played with van morrison for all three shows in la. his solos were more lush than kicking and i don't remember him taking one at the pond. but the brass section in general was awesome, one of the best things about all three of those shows. but i'm glad to hear you recommend 'tibet' and glad to hear the recommendations on 'blue sun'. immediately on my list. was in tower on friday, he has disks in both jazz and new age. wouldn't it be cool if musicians noticed that after they play with joni, their sales rise? marianne only sings on two songs on trouble in mind, the title standard and a gorgeous, long ballad called the hawk (el gavrilan), that has long been one of my dearest songs. but i found out sometime after vapour drawings that isham was in another earlier corner of my favorite music. there was a san francisco white funk band in the 70s called 'sons of champlin', mark was the horn section section and synth arranger. the lead singer was bill champlin, one of my all-time favorite male singers who never quite broke through to stardom i (and a chorus of sf area rock critics) think he deserved. he has been, and may still be, the lead vocalist for 'chicago' (yep, they're still around). not a good enough fate for that talent. anyway, i've been listening again to sons again, because of this thread, and it's terrific to hear the young isham at work in the '70s. it's also good, good music. i love how these things come around, isham's career certainly has been a wild ride, funk band, new age artist, film scores, jazz sessions, and sideman with the best of the maturing pop stars. i hope he's enjoying it. patrick np - theresa stratas singing kurt weill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:26:11 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Collector"s Choice Music NJC Roger, Thanks for the link . I have been looking for something like this for some time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:35:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC: The Spanish Prisoner Well I am not going to give a review as well as our Julie does but we jsut got back from seeing this movie, written and directed by David Mamet. The previews were very misleading! It was a strange film and we nearly walked out after 40 minutes but it suddenly got interesting. I guess that means it wasn't that good. I ended glad I saw it-John still thinks it was pretentious crap. Well it was pretentious but I enjoyed the second half! Steve Martin was in it(had i known that I probably wouldn't have gone), ben gazzara and the guy from married With Children. At least i think it was him. looked like and sounded like. i must be coming over all queer or something as I have seen quite a few macho films recently, like The JJackal and Armageddon and have actually enjoyed them! Perhaps there is something to be said for shooting or blowing up those you don't like after all.... God, maybe I should go see the Little Mermaid before this macho stuff turns me ... - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: I'm coming in to NYC. Dinner, anyone? Hi everybody I'm traveling to New York City for the day one day this week for a trade show at Javits. Not sure Tues-Wed-Thurs yet. It's still flexible. I'm always happy to meet Jmdlers wherever I travel. At JoniFest98 in Pittsburg, up close at a Day in the Garden 2 weeks ago. (it was great). Everywhere. Anyone for meeting me one of those nights (Sept 1-2-3) for dinner and a lot of jonitalk before my night ride home? Email me offlist at briangross@rocketmail.com Thanks :-) Brian np:Hejira (live) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:10:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: It's a Beautiful Day (NJC) In a message dated 8/30/98 5:51:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << but it was Patti Santos. She was a singer on the White Bird album. She stepped to the front on It's A Beautiful Day Today, after David and LINDA left the group. >> David and Linda LaFlamme didn't exactly leave It's A Beaultiful Day voluntarily. They were imprisoned on drug charged for a while, but eventually returned to the group. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:23:42 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) Van Gogh update OK, I went to pick up the first set of free tix today, and it was a bust. There was a four-hour wait. By the time I arrived it was impossible for me to get in before the museum closed. The demand for this exhibit is very high, yet the museum for some unknown reason chose to staff the pass desk with only two volunteers. Aargh. Plan B: There are opportunities for group visits. I will call tomorrow morning to look into that possibility. Hopefully it will work out. I will let y'all know once I know something. If that doesn't work, we move to Plan C, which involves Ticketmaster. I'll post that information tomorrow if necessary. In the meantime, if you think you MIGHT be coming to see the exhibit on November 7, 1998, please email me at mwyarbro@zzapp.org with the number of people you think might be in your party. SOs, family, and friends are certainly welcome. I would like this info ASAP so I can reserve a large enough group visit if there are any available. If you have any questions, please email me. Thanks... - --Michael NP: Lucinda Williams, _Car Wheels on a Gravel Road_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:35:38 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: (NJC) Van Gogh addendum Sorry for the extra bandwidth-- Just wanted to say that even though I wasn't able to get passes today, there are still very likely plenty of passes available for 11/7. They were passing out tix for the entire run of the show, which is possibly over 100,000 tix, all of which are obviously not for our day. So don't despair!! :-) - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:04:05 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Fred Neil? NJC Fred wrote some beautiful songs and was very present in the folk scene of the mid and late 60's. He wrote the theme song for the movie 'Midnight Cowboy' that Nilson(sp) covered "Everybody's Talkin at Me". Big on 12 string guitar. Waltzenfree ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:05:48 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Mark Isham (now njc) patrick writes: << there was a san francisco white funk band in the 70s called 'sons of champlin', mark was the horn section section and synth arranger. the lead singer was bill champlin, one of my all-time favorite male singers who never quite broke through to stardom i (and a chorus of sf area rock critics) think he deserved. >> Hi Patrick: Sons of Champlin has re-emerged. I saw them in San Rafael a couple months ago. Whew. They came to play. Clearly glad to be together again, they were. And the home-grown crowd was loving it. Folks shouting for this song, or that. I remember Bill Champlin saying repeatedly, "Yeah, we're gonna play that tonight." The horn section and synth still kick, I wonder if Isham is still arranging? - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:10:30 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Hello, and John Martyn I know that song and would definitely chime in. I love it. Hope to be there Claud - -----Original Message----- >It's funny you mention John Martyn, because I was >thinking of all the tunes I carry along with me (non-Joni) >his 'May You Never' will forever be a chestnut. I was thinking >of even trying to play it, if it get's real late, and there's >a lull in the action! If so, please sing along! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:27:07 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Bruce (NJC) Thanks for guiding me back to where it all started for me - the JM web site! Believe it or not I've been so busy keeping up with all the messages I haven't checked out everything that is on that site. I think once I got to the JMDL site and subscribed that was the end of my exploration!. I will go back now... and discover some more....feel a bit foolish now ... guess I got sidetracked with this wonderful group ;-). Claud - -----Original Message----- From: Marsha >Claudia, have you gone to > >http://www.jmdl.com > >to look at all the jmdl members who have our pictures up >on Les site in the "Gallery" section? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:02:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Sons of Champlin (NJC) > Sons of Champlin has re-emerged. I saw them in San Rafael a couple months > ago. Whew. Wow, thanks Patrick and Julius for the latest on Sons of Champlin. I LOVED this group but could never find their albums. Mysteriously, it always seemed like only my friends from the Bay area or musicians were ever in possession of them in the early 70s. They were the best, the best! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:45:53 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Any bilinguals on Joniland? Mitchellites - Is anyone out there able to write in Spanish or Portuguese? We just received an order for a JMIC shirt from someone who was only able to say that they cannot speak or read English. Any Jimdlers able to help me communicate with this Joni fan? Please email me privately. Thanks, Les - quietly celebrating the 2nd birthday of the JMDL and the 40th of my brother Phillip. It's all for you, pal - I know you would be proud! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:50:56 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re:australians ahoy! On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, michael wrote: > Fine with me. > I'll pack myself in an airtight COD container and send my self off. > Look out for a package from Australia at your local airport. > :) A ha! another Australian I see, they're growing they're growing! if only Joni would notice us and come over here to tour!!! Hello Michael, where are you? that makes you, me and gerald...any more? Helen. "Australia" circus girl...(I used to be so sure that was the lyric!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:02:16 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: little joni grunts > > I'll have to check that out. But..has anyone noticed the big gulp/gasp she > > seems to take towards the beginning of Urge For Going: "bully winds came > > around, pushed them face down (GULP) in the snow"..? Reminds me of the way she seems to choke a bit on the words "Is it all boo(gulp)ks and words.." from Woman of Heart and Mind on Miles of Aisles. I could have written WOHM like others might, but i find it takes ever so long to figure out which song it might be...hint hint! does anyone else ever feel inclined to write "Misles of Aisles"? Also, marsha wrote: > and this reminds me of the very end of "Two Grey Rooms" where > there is a guy doing a grunt in the last seconds. One of the times > you must turn up the volume almost all the way to catch it. > A definite male...sexy...grunt... > sort of a "hoo-ah" with the diaphragm engaged at the end. Aaah, makes me think of Tenth World (ah see you would have been stuck had I written TW wouldn't you!) in the background of which I couldn't help noticeing for the first time a while ago, a guy grunting away and I am sure he just about orgasms. "A definite male..sexy...grunt..."hmmmmmm. Helen. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:07:53 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: 2nd b-day Les wrote that he was... << quietly celebrating the 2nd birthday of the JMDL >> Les, thanks, we appreciate everything you do for the list. I've been here almost the whole time and appreciate all the new friendships made possible by your efforts. Kingpin (with charm to sway) NP: Lisa Germano, "Happiness" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:09:10 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: re:great big joni gruntings > A definite male...sexy...grunt... > sort of a "hoo-ah" with the diaphragm engaged at the end. >she makes this incredible sort of whimpering shriek in the background. Makes you wonder what was going on in those studios really doesn't it. I eagerly await the studio version of "Crazy cries of Love"... ...oh oh Helen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:15:00 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: sayings On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, catman wrote: > I just thought of a saying that does not work or me: > 'as if butter wouln't melt in her mouth'. Meaning she looks all sweet and > innocent. Yet for me it describes the exact opposite. A hot mouth would > to me describe someone nice. A cold mouth(so butter wouldn't melt) > describes a mean spirited person. > So that saying always confused me! Sounds kinda like "sight for sore eyes" doesn't make sense to me. it sounds so much like an insult and if you had sore eyes then that sight would make them even sorer.....see? Helen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:25:10 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: joni muppets > >i've always thought Joni looks remarkably like that long blonde > >muppet from the Muppet Band, and the shots of her silouhette as she sings > >Helpless only make this clearer. That muppet is meant to be Joni! Mariana wrote; > you mean janice? she always scared me but they were funny. "like fer > suuuuuureeeee." janice has the big lips and high cheek bones. yeah she could > be joni. i could see that. Well, its definite then. If she's called Janice that's obviously as close as they could get without having to get Joni's permission or something! I personally could never tell if it was a guy or a girl.. Helen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:46:49 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: re: last chance lost On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > Personally, although I admire the genius of it, "Last Chance Lost" is > musically one of the most disturbing songs for me to hear. Because of that, > of course, I listen to it even more ... > > Other opinions, anyone? Lovely to listen to but....ever tried to sing it!?!?! ha! Helen. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: joni muppets Helen Gill wrote: > > >i've always thought Joni looks remarkably like that long blonde > > >muppet from the Muppet Band, and the shots of her silouhette as she sings > > >Helpless only make this clearer. That muppet is meant to be Joni! > > Mariana wrote; > > you mean janice? she always scared me but they were funny. "like fer > > suuuuuureeeee." janice has the big lips and high cheek bones. yeah she could > > be joni. i could see that. > > Well, its definite then. If she's called Janice that's obviously as close > as they could get without having to get Joni's permission or something! I > personally could never tell if it was a guy or a girl.. You people are truly incredible From Van Gogh to the Muppets and all in the name of Joni I've just watched the Muppet Band scene from The Muppet Movie and the character of Janice is *definitely* our Joan. The long blonde hair swinging as she plays her guitar, the exagerated lips... As to the question of whether Janice is a guy or a girl, she appears to be better endowed than John Kelly (but I guess that doesn't answer the question) :-) Brian np: The Muppet Movie (my kids' tape...really) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:49:22 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Fred Neil? NJC skindeep@hdo.net wrote: << Fred wrote some beautiful songs and was very present in the folk scene of the mid and late 60's. He wrote the theme song for the movie 'Midnight Cowboy' that Nilson(sp) covered "Everybody's Talkin at Me". Big on 12 string guitar. >> He also wrote "The Other Side of this Life," covered by Jefferson Airplane and by Peter Paul and Mary. The Airplane's song title "The Ballad of You, Me, and Pooneil" is supposed to refer to him too. - --David NP: _Kate and Anna McGarrigle_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:04:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Fred Neil? NJC In a message dated 8/31/98 12:52:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bolvangar@aol.com writes: << He also wrote "The Other Side of this Life," covered by Jefferson Airplane >> Really? That's one of my favorite Airplane songs, though I if I've recently watched the Rolling Stones movie "Gimme Shelter" I have a hard time listening to "The Other Side of This Life" for awhile because that's the song that gets interrupted when Marty Balin gets punched out by a Hell's Angel. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:10:24 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: sayings In a message dated 8/30/98 11:32:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h.gill@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au writes: << Sounds kinda like "sight for sore eyes" doesn't make sense to me. it sounds so much like an insult and if you had sore eyes then that sight would make them even sorer.....see? >> No, Helen. Something that is easy to see or easy on the eyes is a sight for sore eyes. Makes perfect sense to me. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:12:23 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: sayings In a message dated 8/30/98 11:32:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h.gill@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au writes: << . A cold mouth(so butter wouldn't melt) > describes a mean spirited person. >> And a cold mouth doesn't mean the same thing as a cold heart, which would describe someone mean-spirited. A cold mouth is someone who does not blow "hot air" and does not speak hot words, such as curses, and doesn ot speak ill of people. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:16:58 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: re: Lyrics Incredible. I don't even have to hear the music to identify with Joni's lyrics once again. They were amazing, incredible really. The one I like best is "Straw-Flower Me". I really like SFM because it echos strongly in me. Since everything changes so quickly now, it's hard to stay one person for so long. It's hard to stay true to one genre. I feel I must become something in order to please people, or please myself even. Here are my favorite lines from the assorted songs: "One kiss can sometimes make you feel Like a spinning Ferris wheel" -Carnival in Kenora *isn't that the truth? or just one smile or a look or anything* "Now a stranger takes my hand; we smile And the magic understands" -Carnival in Kenora *one day magic will understand* "When I'm drunk with music from a thousand bands, A thousand bands, I'll dance the streets by moonlight And the fields by day" -Poor Sad Baby *this would be my dream come true. but it'll have to wait since 11th grade hell awaits me "Could you love a blue straw-flower With no mystic magic power Would you miss the glitter of your fantasy? You know she isn't really me, baby" -Straw-Flower Me "Just to please you Maybe I can be a silver rose But don't you know it's only straw-flower me?" -Straw-Flower Me *like i said above, it's very close to me.* "Staring out your winter window At a silver sky you know you've been to In a kiss, upon a day Before a spring" -Winter Lady *sort of like paula cole's "saturn girl" sort of...i just see it as a woman who's miles above and away the person she's in a relationship and knows it but just can't or won't get out...i can relate (i hope that doesn't sound selfish or egotistical)* "Winter Lady, cry those crystal tears He won't know what he's missing Love's too late, you've changed your mind" -Winter Lady *this one struck a chord and i don't think i have to explain why* "Oh Winter Lady I won't hurt you I won't cheat you, I won't desert you Winter Lady you need loving I need loving too I need loving you" -Winter Lady *i don't think i have to explain who i wanted to say these words and why. and now he's sort of said them and i don't care anymore it's odd. see above lyric* "Oh how my heart tried to fight him Fight against mirrors Of moonlight or lovelight You're lost from the start, From the start." -Moon in the Mirror *lost in the start but not anymore* love- mariana Np: Sarah McLachlan (testing out a tape i made for a friend on the jmdl) countdown till mariana gets her new 'do: 2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:23:41 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Princess Diana in Memorial (njc) About this time last year, my father came downstairs while I was watching a mediocre episode of Mystery Science Theatre 3000 and told me that Lady Di was dead. It was sad for me, really. I don't want this to sound soppy or like some meaningless tribute. I had really liked Diana, I even donned a blonde wig and tiara one halloween and went out as Princess Di. I spent that night burning candles and listening to Enya and just being sad, because as I said, there's just something beautiful in being sad. Just like there was something beautiful in Diana that will never be replaced. Sweet Sleep, Princess Diana. 1961-1997 "weep not for the memories" -sarah mclachlan - -mariana ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #330 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?