From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #328 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, August 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 328 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re Unknown Lyrics [michael ] Sandy Denny, "Brotherhood" LJC [Skin Deep ] Re: Obscure Lyrics And A Poem ["Deb Messling" ] Re: What Ever Happened To? (LJC) [Ashara@aol.com] (NJC) Pentangle: "Must Have" album! [Roger Walker ] Re: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: joni, eric, wally, and vincent [Don Sloan ] Pentangle NJC [Don Sloan ] Long Ago and Next Week [Michael Paz ] Re: Proselyting Joni [LRFye@aol.com] Hinton's book [Bounced Message ] Mother and child (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Bruce (NJC) ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Way to go Kakki! [Michael Paz ] Great Posts [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Bruce (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Bruce (NJC) ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Bruce [Marsha ] Julius does the Brothers (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Harmony ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Spreading the Music (Was: Re: Way to go Kakki!) [Mark Domyancich ] Backstage Passes [Leslie Mixon ] Joni Fest??? [Michael Paz ] Re: Proselyting Joni [Mark or Travis ] Re: Joni Fest??? ["Julie Z. Webb" ] ps ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Joni Search [Marsha ] Re: Joni Fest??? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] new e-mail address ["Paul Headon" ] Re: Proselyting Joni [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Long Ago and Next Week ["Kakki" ] Re: Proselyting Joni ["Kakki" ] The Fishbowl, by Joni Mitchell [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: joni, eric, wally, and vincent [TerryM2442@aol.com] paula, elliott (njc) [Marilune@aol.com] You can order Joni's new album [Norm Gregory ] Long Ago and Next Week [Michael Paz ] Re: You can order Joni's new album ["Kakki" ] J-Cards ["Happy The Man" ] Re: You can order Joni's new album [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Long Ago and Next Week ["Kakki" ] Hey Marian!!!! [Michael Paz ] Re: Long Ago and Next Week [Marsha ] Re: Proselyting Joni [catman ] Re: Proselyting Joni [catman ] Lyrics: Jeremy [Deb Messling ] Lyrics: Carnival in Kenora [Deb Messling ] LYRICS: Who Has Seen the Wind [Deb Messling ] Lyrics: Straw-Flower Me [Deb Messling ] Lyrics: Moon in the MIRROR [Deb Messling ] LYRICS: Poor Sad Baby [Deb Messling ] LYRICS: Winter Lady [Deb Messling ] upcoming jmdl gathering in the big nyc [trxschwa ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:00:47 +1000 (EST) From: michael Subject: Re Unknown Lyrics Thanks Pearl I knew someone would know. Thats the only album I dont have on CD! Have to do something about that. > >This is from Roses Blue on the Clouds album > >"In sorrow she can lure you where she wants you" > Cheers - -- michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html On the other hand You have 5 fingers!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:50:53 -0700 From: Skin Deep Subject: Sandy Denny, "Brotherhood" LJC I'm putting this down to give a taste of Sandy's best IMHO, and because it somehow ties in with Martin L King As gentle tides go rolling by, Along the salt sea strand The colors blend and roll as one Together in the sand. And often do the winds entwine, Do send there distant call. The quiet joys of brotherhood, And Love is Lord of All. The oak and weed together rise, Along the common ground. The mare and stallion light and dark Have thunder in there sound. The rainbow sign, the glended flower Still have my heart in thrall. The quiet joys of brotherhood, And Love is Lord of All. The words are by Richard Farina But the song is Sandy's Waltzenfree ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:03:57 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Obscure Lyrics And A Poem I typed them out about a year ago. They should be available in the discussion list archives. > Music Of Joni Mitchell, published in 1969 has the music and lyrics to: > Carnival In Kenora, Jeremy, A Melody In Your Name, Moon In The Mirror, Poor > Sad Baby, Straw-Flower Me, Who Has Seen The Wind, and Winter Lady. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:25:56 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To? (LJC) In a message dated 8/29/98 1:36:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@AOL.Com writes: << Does anyone remember the group Pentangle? Whatever happened to them? >> Yes! In high school, I began my love for Pentangle, Steeleye Span, Sandy Denny, Fairport Convention, and Amazing Blondel, just to mention a few. My friends usually gave me a very strange look as their eyes rolled into the back of their heads whenever I mentioned these groups. There is a great website that has extensive information on almost every musical artist I have looked up. Besides buying CD's, you can listen to cuts from most albums, there is a biography on them, what decade they were active, and links to other websites about them. (Yes, they cover Joni very well, including links to Wally and Les' pages!) It's called The Ultimate Bandlist. Check it out at: http://www.ubl.com/ Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:17:21 -0400 From: Roger Walker Subject: (NJC) Pentangle: "Must Have" album! Terry and all... Pentangle. WOW! A fantastic group! Our cd of choice when we were doing our night driving home from the Garden! (what a great way to drive through the mountains of Pennsylvania!) Here's the "must have" complilation cd from them: The Pentangle: People On The Highwoay (1968-71) It's on Demon records. 1. Pentangling 2. Travelling Song 3. In Time 4. Bells 5. Way Behind The Sun 6. Waltz 7. The Time Has Come (live) 8. Sweet Child 9. Moon Dog 10. I Saw An Angel 11. Light Flight 12. Sally Go Round The Roses 13. Train Song 14. Once I Had A Sweetheart 15. Wedding Dress 16. Helping Hand 17. Cold Rain And Snow 18. When I Get Home 19. Cold Mountain It can be purchased via Collector's Choice Music at: http://www.ccmusic.com/cc_s.cgi?IMP=N&key=people+on+the+highway&findby=Album&sortby=Alphabetically&genre=ALL&x=39&y=12 (B4 clicking, be sure that the entire url is on one line!) To read more about Pentangle.. go here: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=477483953/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/biography.html/ArtistID=FRN-PENTANGLE To hear a clip of Sally Go Round The Roses.. go here: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=477483953/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=FRN-PENTANGLE/ddcn=SD-63656+154+2 (again.. please make sure that the entire url is on one line!) Glad you asked! I've got it in my machine now! THANKS! - -- rog Creativity IS Contagious! http://www.ohomxiv.org http://www.florida-condo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:29:14 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) ok listers...set your way back machine to the - well, when was it? late 60's? early 70's? i am talking about an album that, at least in the circles in which i moved was a staple (along with Quicksilver Messenger Service's Shady Grove, Taylor's Mud Slide Slim and King's Tapestry) you MUST remember Beautiful Day. (or was it "It's A Beautiful Day" - remember "White Bird" ??? does anyone know if this classic is available in CD? it MUST be, but i have never seen it. it would be interesting to listen to now. I wonder if it still would sound as thrilling as it did way back when... love, ric (for whom time is still too long for those who wait...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:29:12 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) ok listers...set your way back machine to the - well, when was it? late 60's? early 70's? i am talking about an album that, at least in the circles in which i moved was a staple (along with Quicksilver Messenger Service's Shady Grove, Taylor's Mud Slide Slim and King's Tapestry) you MUST remember Beautiful Day. (or was it "It's A Beautiful Day" - remember "White Bird" ??? does anyone know if this classic is available in CD? it MUST be, but i have never seen it. it would be interesting to listen to now. I wonder if it still would sound as thrilling as it did way back when... love, ric (for whom time is still too long for those who wait...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:32:52 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) In a message dated 8/29/98 11:30:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << Slim and King's Tapestry) you MUST remember Beautiful Day. (or was it "It's A Beautiful Day" - remember "White Bird" ??? does anyone know if this classic is available in CD? it MUST be, but i have never seen it. it would be interesting to listen to now. I wonder if it still would sound as thrilling as it did way back when... >> Yes, it is. I have it on vinyl as well as CD, though I paid about $20 for the CD from a collector about 12 years ago. And it still is great! David and Linda LaFlamme. Not only "White Bird" but "Girl With No Eyes" "Bombay Calling" and others. Still one of my all-time favorites. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:17:30 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: RE: joni, eric, wally, and vincent PMcfad@aol.com wrote about joni, eric, wally, and vincent. Very sweet stuff. Thanks! Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:53:33 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Pentangle NJC TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone remember the group Pentangle? Whatever happened to them? Yeah!!!! I don't know, but what a great, great band. Everytime I hit one of the big record stores, I look for their stuff. But, alas, have never seen any of it on CD. I have a couple of their sides on vinyl that are pretty well worn.... hearing Jacqui McShee sing "Willy O'Winsbury" still transports me to another world! Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:16:34 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Long Ago and Next Week It just could be she learned it from being in the choir. I was in one choir or another half my life but as a "second sorpano" was always relegated to singing harmony. It gets to where you hear the harmony more than the melody in a song after awhile. My favorite Joni harmonizing of all is on the song "Long Ago And Far Away" with James Taylor. She is a master of harmony along with everything else, and it's always seemed to me that her melodies sound actually more like harmonies when you hear them (all that alternative tuning, no doubt). Kakki Hey Kakki- I do Long Ago And Far Away on guitar. How abou a duet with me on Friday night? Still buzzing, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:20:09 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni Mark in Seattle asked: > What should I give him next? Terry and Paul voted for FTR. I'm thinking LOTC for "Woodstock" and for a return to Joni's "simplicity" ... although MOA might be a good choice for a well-rounded selection of early Joni. Mark, your original choice NRH certainly would be pleasing as well ... Lori in SATX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:37:39 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Hinton's book From: "secret" Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:31:37 +0100 I was in my local Tower Records the other day and noticed that a stack of Hinton's book had just been delivered - good timing Tower. Apparently the book is laughably inaccurate, but I spent a few minutes looking at the pictures anyway. But he could'nt even get the pictures right. The first one is supposed to be a picture of "Joni with her band in 1970". Good guess Hinton, but she did'nt have a band in 1970. The people in the picture are in fact members of Mathews Southern Comfort who when the picture was taken where at number one in the UK charts with their version Woodstock - which is still the best cover version of a Joni Mitchell song after all this time. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:54:36 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Mother and child (NJC) Mariana wrote: " then we got into the stuff with my parents relationship and how they were going to break up because of racial b.s. my mum still has all those old love letters (she let me read some of them) and stuff. my dad sent her song lyrics by jimi hendrix and the moody blues and jefferson airplane. then there was this one letter my mum sent my dad when they were going through a tough period with joni lyrics from lesson in survival. it was really sad. "your friends protect you, scrutinize me, i get so damn timid." i can relate to those lyrics alot right now. it's weird to think of my parents as people without children. in my mind they will always be a pair, you know, like shoes. my parents were really romantic! they wrote poetry and all this great stuff. enviable really." Mariana- Once again I am so moved by your accounts of your family. This is so special that you are able to share these moments with your mom. I had such a close relationship with my mom, but I don't recall sharing song lyrics from old love letters. How indescribably delicious. Rock on! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:55:28 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Bruce (NJC) Yes, I have been a real long time Bruce fan. I have all his albums that I could get my hands on. I think I am missing some Canadian releases. Over the years I have tried to learn a bunch of his songs although I can never get anywhere close to his guitar work. He is a fabulous player! Are you familiar with Jonnatha Brooke. She sings some of the vocals on the Charity of night CD. Her first solo CD (I can't remember what it is called - it came out a few years ago) features Bruce on a killer duet with her. In general I really like this particular Jonnatha Brooke album! IMHO it is great. I am not that thrilled with her recent release which is called "Ten Cent wings." From: michael >Hi ya Claud > >I really dig Bruce. >...Love to discuss Bruce stuff with >you. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:58:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Way to go Kakki! Hey Kakki- Keep on spreading the Joni. I don't remember if I told you guys that I gave Nikki Reyes, our host on Louisiana JukeBox, a Joni lyrics book and Shadows and Light for her Birthday. I know she digs it too, cause last Thursday during "medication time" after the show, she was singing some Joni. Convert everyone now, Michael NP-Ludwigs Tune ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:16:06 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Great Posts Today was an exceptional day for posts to the list. Several brought me close too tears - my eyes did well up. What a joy to be a part of this community. Leslie Leslie Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:04:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce (NJC) In a message dated 8/29/98 12:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net writes: << Yes, I have been a real long time Bruce fan. >> I'm a longtime Bruce fan, too. But when you say Bruce arond here, and many other places, it's Bruce Springsteen, not that other guy, so you Cockburn fans please don't be so presumptious. Paul I "When I say Dylan, he thinks you're talkin' about Dylan Thomas, whoever he was. The man ain't got no culture." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:10:16 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) Being a big Bruce fan, I think every album has its value. I certainly have my favorite JM albums but I definitely have to have everything that come out by her even though not everything resonates with me with the same intensity. But I respect, appreciate, and listen to all of her music. Somehow Bruce falls into the same category for me. I hope you will warm up to Charity of Night in time. I listened to it about four times last night (Thank god for the repeat button) and all I can say is ... sorry I wish it would for you what it does for me! Claud - -----Original Message----- From: sshaw@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu To: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 6:37 PM Subject: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) >I think his best albums are: > >Further Adventures of >Dancing in the Dragon's Jaws >Humans >The Trouble with Normal >Nothing but a burning light > >Actually, Dragon's Jaws is one of my all time favourites. > >Somehow, his latest, The Charity of Night didn't do it for me ... > > >-Sunil > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:12:08 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Bruce (NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/29/98 12:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << Yes, I have been a real long time Bruce fan. >> > > I'm a longtime Bruce fan, too. But when you say Bruce arond here, and many > other places, it's Bruce Springsteen, not that other guy, so you Cockburn fans > please don't be so presumptious. > > Paul I > "When I say Dylan, he thinks you're talkin' about Dylan Thomas, whoever he > was. > The man ain't got no culture." Who's Bruce Springstone? KIDDING! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:34 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Bruce Claud SansSoucie wrote: > > Yes, I have been a real long time Bruce fan. I have all his albums that I > could get my hands on. I think I am missing some Canadian releases. Over the > years I have tried to learn a bunch of his songs although I can never get > anywhere close to his guitar work. He is a fabulous player! Are you > familiar with Jonnatha Brooke. She sings some of the vocals on the Charity > of night CD. Her first solo CD (I can't remember what it is called - it came > out a few years ago) features Bruce on a killer duet with her. In general I > really like this particular Jonnatha Brooke album! IMHO it is great. I am > not that thrilled with her recent release which is called "Ten Cent wings." Hi, Claud. I am with you here. As a matter of fact, Jonatha's "PLUMB" CD is my daily (and I mean daily) mantra for my take on a love being lost. Her duet with Bruce called "War" (I think) is just gorgeous: "Every morning I get up and I raise the flag Salute the monument of those who gave their lives And I guess war's OK...it's just a little inconvient But it's better than a video game...better than the movies"... I love how my favorite artists weave their glorious tapestries of musical collaboration with other favorites. I wish Joni would do it more, and maybe she is these days. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:12:57 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Julius does the Brothers (NJC) Hi Julius- Welcome Back! Glad you enjoyed the brothers show. The tour was thru here last Thursday night and of course I was working. I may get to see them in Morgan City about 2 hours from here later during the tour next month. If I can accommodate anyone else on the list to see Neville Brothers on tour, I would be more than happy to make the same effort i did for Julius. According to the itinerary I have in front of me now they will be in: Detroit Pine Knob-9/2, Chicago New World Music Theatre -9/3, Madison Wis-9/4, Kansas City-9/5, Minneapolis Target Center- 9/7, New York Beacon Theatre 9/9, Vienna Virginia Wolftrap 9/10, Holmdel, NJ 9/11, Wantagh, New York-9/12, Syracuse, NY-9/13. Several of my buds are out on this tour and I usually can get tickets with no trouble unless its a benefit, private function, or some other management issue beyond the control of the real movers and shakers (the road krewe). So let me know. Julius, please think of me the the night you see Metheny with Brian Blade. I also pray you know who is the special guest. I am trying to get the Fellowship on JukeBox later this year. Cheers bro, Michael NP-San Lorenzo-Pat Metheny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:14:17 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Joni Harmony I know that one. I actually still have the vinyl, or at least I think I do. I always thought that was pretty neat myself! Claud - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro >I've always loved the harmony of Joan and Joni in Dida. > >Jerry > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:15:16 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Spreading the Music (Was: Re: Way to go Kakki!) I also spread the music last week. There's a girl in my class who is also into Joni and I loaned out to her all my Joni tapes. She was estatic when I gave them to her! NPOMG (Now playing on my guitar): Refuge At 11:58 AM -0500 8/28/98, Michael Paz wrote: >Hey Kakki- > Keep on spreading the Joni. I don't remember if I told you guys that >I gave Nikki Reyes, our host on Louisiana JukeBox, a Joni lyrics book >and Shadows and Light for her Birthday. I know she digs it too, cause >last Thursday during "medication time" after the show, she was singing >some Joni. > >Convert everyone now, > >Michael > >NP-Ludwigs Tune _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| "Someday we'll look back on all this and ram into a parked car." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:27:34 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Bruce (NJC) I can dig it. But, writing Cockburn isn't a great option either. Those that might mistake Bruce for Springsteen might mistake Cockburn for... well you can imagine! ;-) When I speak of him I never call him Bruce because I do like Co-burn! Claud >... But when you say Bruce arond here, and many >other places, it's Bruce Springsteen, not that other guy, so you Cockburn fans >please don't be so presumptious. > >Paul I >"When I say Dylan, he thinks you're talkin' about Dylan Thomas, whoever he >was. >The man ain't got no culture." > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:53:36 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Backstage Passes Hello: I acquired this book many years ago for 75 cents at a yard sale. The full title is: Backstage Passes - Rock 'n' Roll Life in the Sixties by Al Kooper with Ben Edmonds. Here is an excerpt: Loose Ends, Rolling Stones, Folk Singers How She Got Herself to the Garden in the First Place "One night in the middle of the Blues Project, I was sitting in my favorite bar in the Village, the Dugout. It was the best place to kill a summer's night, and I always ran into a few friends I would miss while I was on the road. This particular night I was sitting with a new-girl-in-town, who we shall call Joanie. Joanie had a crush on Roy Blumeneld, the drummer from the Blues Project. Unfortunately for her, Roy had a girlfriend who was hip to Joanie and real jealous of her. So, this chick is crying in my beer for about three hours, and I don't mind 'cause she's real cute and nothing else is going on anyway. So they're closing the bar and throwing us out and I offer to walk her home. It was about a fifteen minute stroll, and it was a beautiful summer's night. I was, in fact, homeless at the time, crashing out at Judy Collins' apartment, and glad to have my mind taken off that situation. When we got to her door, she invited me in to hear some of her new songs. She was a folksinger, Canadian. Half of a duet with her recently divorced husband, and they had achieved a mild popularity and a cult following in various American border cities. She, being sorta pretty, had me bounding up the stairs figuring if the songs were lousy, maybe I could salvage the evening some other way. In a few minutes that became the furthest thing from my mind. Her songs were incredible and totally original, which was a surprise in those days, but quite refreshing. She would finish one, and I would say more, more. And she had enough to keep going for four hours, most of them brilliant. One song especially killed me, and I thought it would be great for Judy Collins, and a nice way to pay her for her hospitality would be to turn her on to it. Being impulsive, I asked Joanie if I could use her phone and I called Judy up. It was 5:30 A.M. by now, and she was sort of pissed off. "I have to get up soon and drive all the way to the Newport Folk Festival, and I wanted to get some sleep for a change. I could hear this song when I get back from the festival though, Al." Bong! A great idea hits me. "Judy, why don't you, room permitting, take this girl with you to the festival. She could play the song and others for you on the way up and make your trip that much more pleasant. Then, being that you're on the board of directors, you could see if maybe that could fit her in the schedule somewhere to play, huh?" Silence. "Judy?" "Kooper, you bastard. Yeah, I'll do it. Gimmee her number. Bye." Just to make sure, I gave Joanie Judy's number and told her to call her in a couple of hours. I split immediately 'cause I was exhausted and never made it to Judy's place, preferring to actually crash on a bench in Washington Square Park in the steamy, summer morning. Well, as the saying goes, the rest is history. Joanie (Joni Mitchell, of course) played at the festival (1967) and stole the whole show. Judy eventually recorded the song I thought she would like, "Michael From Mountains," and also had a huge hit with "Both Sides Now," another of Joni's songs. Joni never thanked me, but when I heard the album "Lades Of The Canyon" that was thanks enough. Maybe I should thank her. Sweet Judy Blue Eyes This ain't no funny story or starstruck kid here, just an appreciation of a friend: Judy Collins. As I mentioned, I lived at her apartment off and on in 1967. She was always helping somebody out, and she was the real New York Earth Mother. If you were an up-and-coming writer, she would always be one of the first to showcase your material. If you had a fight with your lover, she would be the trusted confidante of both sides. Her apartment was the social hub of folk music on the East Coast. Eric Andersen, David Blue, Phil Ochs, Joan Baez, Mimi Farina, Tom Paxton, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Donovan, Pete Seeger, Steve Stills (who wrote "Judy Blue Eyes Suite" for her) would all have nothing but superlatives to say about the lady. Leslie Leslie Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:45:20 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Fest??? Hello New England Bound Jonifolks- I was wondering what other sundry items to bring on my sojourn to the great Northeast. I have alot of songbooks and videos, but do not want to cart up alot of stuff that will already be there. Songbooks I own: Anthology Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira Wild Things Run Fast Don Juan's Restless Daughter Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo Joni Mitchell Songbook CompleteVol 1 (1966-1970) Court and Spark Also Seal with If I could as far as Videos I have Come In From The Cold Shadows and Light Her Performance at Amensty International Refuge of The Road (Basically the Wild Things Run Fast Tour) Live in New Orleans Jazz Fest (poor quality) Ashara? anyone? please advise Love Michael P.S. I am not able to post to the NEfest address. Is any one else having this trouble? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:51:19 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > Mark, your original choice NRH certainly would be pleasing as well ... > > Lori > in SATX My logic in giving him NRH was that I had already given him 'Blue' which can be considered the pinnacle of Joni's 'early' period and 'Hejira', the popular choice for the top of her 'middle' period. I thought NRH would be a nice introduction to 90's Joni. I love TI but NRH is easier to listen to IMO. I would hesitate to say which is the 'better' record. With me it's a toss-up. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:29:39 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Joni Fest??? At 12:45 PM 8/28/98 -0500, MPaz wrote: > I was wondering what other sundry items to bring on my sojourn to >the great Northeast. I personally would love to see photos of loved ones and private photos of anyone captured **with** Joni herself. Im bringing up 6 copies of printed-up Joni lyrics from various albums and a jmdl autograph book which was designed especially for me by Bev as a gift for hosting the April Jonifest. Ill be asking all of you for signatures and doodles. -JulieZW, Counting down the days to "Extreme Joni Jam" (Who knows if there ever will be so many musicians in attendance at one event?!?!) ChuckE, as the music-meister, must be in seventh heaven...(Can't wait to hear "Rainy Day Night or is it House" again.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:33:02 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: ps ps. but then there's always Coloradofest in August of 99 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:49:42 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni Search Michael Paz wrote: > > Hello New England Bound Jonifolks- > > I was wondering what other sundry items to bring on my sojourn to > the great Northeast. I have alot of songbooks and videos, but do not > want to cart up alot of stuff that will already be there. > Hejira Great Michael. I lost this in 1987, you found it, didn't you? I KNEW it would turn up eventually! I'll even make a special trip up to retreive it from you... already booked my flight on Delta. See you guys at 6P, don't start the hootenanny 'til I get there! Marsha, bringing my Digitech Vocalizer harmony box, pictures from past gatherings, and leftover Dollyshit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:09:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Fest??? I think it would be pretty cool if everyone brought their Complete Lyrics and Mistakes and have everyone sign them. Mark, wishing he could be there and meet everyone (Esp. Marian, Bev & Ric) At 2:29 PM -0500 8/29/98, Julie Z. Webb wrote: > I personally would love to see photos of loved ones and private >photos of >anyone captured **with** Joni herself. Im bringing up 6 copies of >printed-up Joni lyrics from various albums and a jmdl autograph book which >was designed especially for me by Bev as a gift for hosting the April >Jonifest. Ill be asking all of you for signatures and doodles. > -JulieZW, Counting down the days to "Extreme Joni Jam" (Who knows if >there ever will be so many musicians in attendance at one event?!?!) >ChuckE, as the music-meister, must be in seventh heaven...(Can't wait to >hear "Rainy Day Night or is it House" again.) _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| "Someday we'll look back on all this and ram into a parked car." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:14:28 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: >>I still want to kiss the feet of the jmdler who wailed at me to go >>get Jonatha Brooke. Go ahead ... kiss my feet. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:24:22 +0100 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: new e-mail address hi, here is my new e mail address p.headon@net.ntl..com cheers Paul Headon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:34:26 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni Mark in Seattle wrote: > I love TI but NRH is easier to listen to IMO. I agree that NRH is easier to listen to than TI and for that reason might be a better choice for your friend. Although I love TI, much of that album can be depressing and difficult to listen to, especially for a new Joni listener. Personally, although I admire the genius of it, "Last Chance Lost" is musically one of the most disturbing songs for me to hear. Because of that, of course, I listen to it even more ... Other opinions, anyone? Lori in SATX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:37:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Long Ago and Next Week Michael P. wrote: > Hey Kakki- > I do Long Ago And Far Away on guitar. How abou a duet with me on > Friday night? Hey Michael! I wish.... but all the helium left my voice years ago! Although I'd bet you would be the one to find the appropriate low, smoke-inflected chord for me to sing in, so I'll hold out hope! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:45:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni Lori wrote: > Personally, although I admire the genius of it, "Last Chance Lost" is > musically one of the most disturbing songs for me to hear. Because of that, > of course, I listen to it even more ... Other opinions, anyone? My favorite on TI because the gorgeousness of it transcends the heartbreakingly sad lyrics and melody. The song expresses utter futility, but its sheer beauty also seems to provide a small balm of hope. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:09:41 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: The Fishbowl, by Joni Mitchell Deb M posted that she had typed up those obscure lyrics I mentioned earlier, for the archives. Has anyone been able to find them? If not, I'll retype them for the list. As promised, here is the poem I found in my dust ridden songbook, titled The Music Of Joni Mitchell: THE FISHBOWL 1969 The fishbowl is a world reversed where fishermen With hooks that dangle From the bottom-up Reel down their catch Without a fight On guilded bait. Pike, pickeral, bass- The common fish Ogle thru distorting glass See only glitter, glamour, gaiety Fog up the bowl with lusty breath Lunge towards the bait and miss And weep for fortunes lost. Envy not the goldfish friend Imprisoned in his golden scales His bubbles breaking round the rim While silly fishes faint for him And sighing say "Look there, I think He winked his eye for me!" Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:35:23 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: joni, eric, wally, and vincent In a message dated 8/29/98 11:51:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donbvs@lightspeed.net writes: << PMcfad@aol.com wrote about joni, eric, wally, and vincent. Very sweet stuff. Thanks! >> Same here. Actually, I was taken aback by the intensity and sensitivity of that one and had to digest it a bit. A real gem- I'm touched that you shared it with us. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:37:10 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: paula, elliott (njc) so this morning i hang out at tower records so i can buy tickets for elliott smith at the roxy theatre in september. i need to go back there to make some better memories. it'll be like a paradox really. i want to have a really, really great time so i'm not just staring at the place where i sat in may just crying my eyes out and no one could hear or care. i met some elliott smith fans in line (most people were there for garbage. and earlier, for korn) and turns out he (adam) is going the same day as me. he also went to the show in may at the trou that i went to. we exchanged thoughts on the new album (we both love it) and are looking forward to seeing elliott again. he is a god (bianca told me not to have elliott be my god, let the breeders be my gods...but they're just not ooomph like elliott is even though i enjoy them.) i also got tickets for paula cole at the troubadour on september 9th (two weeks!). that'll be a great show, but listen: the show has been onsale since july 16th...and paula can't sell out the troubadour? that sucks really. i love paula. i was listening to her "bitch" songs alot in june. but those are the concerts i'm going to in september. they're both going to be great, i know. - -mariana NP: lisa stansfield remixes (making a jogging tape for my mom) countdown till mariana gets her hair cut off: 3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:45:45 -0700 From: Norm Gregory Subject: You can order Joni's new album Oh boy! You can pre-order the new Joni Mitchell CD now! Sign up to have "Taming the Tiger" delivered to your door the day after it's release. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000AG8X/normgregorycom - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- It never forgets. WinToday is a your Personal History Archiver http://gregorysoft.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:21:38 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Long Ago and Next Week Kakki wrote: "I wish.... but all the helium left my voice years ago! Although I'd bet you would be the one to find the appropriate low, smoke-inflected chord for me to sing in, so I'll hold out hope! Kakki" Kakki- NO PROBLEM. You sing James' part and I'LL do the Joni part. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:15:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: You can order Joni's new album Thanks Norm for the alert! Just a reminder for everyone wanting to advance order through CDNow to do so through the JMDL web site at http://www.jmdl.com/index.htm Scroll to the bottom of the main page to the CDNow icon and click. Les receives a 5% commission on each order which helps defray some of his costs in maintaining our little abode here. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:27:54 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: J-Cards Someone want to help me out and give me the address to the JCards. Peace, Craig NP: DC Talk-new release ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:26:31 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: You can order Joni's new album Hi Norm - I noticed that your name is at the end of the URL, does that indicate you get referral credit for our purchases? Norm Gregory wrote: > Oh boy! You can pre-order the new Joni Mitchell CD now! > > Sign up to have "Taming the Tiger" delivered to your door the day after > it's release. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000AG8X/normgregorycom > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > It never forgets. > > WinToday is a your Personal History Archiver > > http://gregorysoft.com - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:29:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Long Ago and Next Week > Kakki- NO PROBLEM. You sing James' part and I'LL do the Joni part. > > Michael Once I stopped laughing, I sang out the James part and I think you have a good point now! This could seriously work! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:49:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Hey Marian!!!! Hey Marian- I've got all those tunings installed for you and thanx to you I'm learning some new Joni tunes. Give me some more to do and I will put them in as well, just in case like Joni, you get hooked on the VG-8. I have received no other requests from potential performers at the New England Fest. Come on don't be shy. Does anyone know who taped the video at Jazz Fest of Joni's set?? I have been watching that and playing along as well. Thanks to whoever is responsible. E-mail me privately...i can sit on a secret..... Best, Michael Paz NP-Hey Mister (That's Me Up On The Jukebox)-JT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:31:16 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Long Ago and Next Week Kakki wrote: > > > Kakki- NO PROBLEM. You sing James' part and I'LL do the Joni part. > > > > Michael > > Once I stopped laughing, I sang out the James part and I think you have a good > point now! This could seriously work! And let's not forget the famous Kakki version a la Dylan of "I Don't Know Where I Stand" Just beautiful stuff!!! Marsha, got it on tape, but wants an encore performance this Saturday ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:20:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni Last Chance Lost I can't listen to-it really grates. That and Yvette in English are the only two off TI I don't care for. However, it holds some of my fave Joni's, like The Sire Of Sorrow. LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Mark in Seattle wrote: > > > I love TI but NRH is easier to listen to IMO. > > I agree that NRH is easier to listen to than TI and for that reason might be a > better choice for your friend. Although I love TI, much of that album can be > depressing and difficult to listen to, especially for a new Joni listener. > > Personally, although I admire the genius of it, "Last Chance Lost" is > musically one of the most disturbing songs for me to hear. Because of that, > of course, I listen to it even more ... > > Other opinions, anyone? > > Lori > in SATX - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:20:16 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni I gave my T a Joni tape 4 yrs ago. He liked her very much. So I gave him the rest. Now I am paying for sessions with Joni cd's! He has almost all of them now. I'll have to start paying again or get him turned on to someone else I like! Unfortunately, for a T his taste is not impeccable as he didn't care for Carly. Shit, that would have paid for a few more! By the way, he was a little disappointed to see Joni-he had imagined her as dark and sultry! np: some stupid arsehole who has a karake party going on a few streets away at 1am and we can hear every word! Mark or Travis wrote: > LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Mark, your original choice NRH certainly would be pleasing as well ... > > > > Lori > > in SATX > > My logic in giving him NRH was that I had already given him 'Blue' which > can be considered the pinnacle of Joni's 'early' period and 'Hejira', > the popular choice for the top of her 'middle' period. I thought NRH > would be a nice introduction to 90's Joni. I love TI but NRH is easier > to listen to IMO. I would hesitate to say which is the 'better' > record. With me it's a toss-up. > > Mark in Seattle - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:43:02 From: Deb Messling Subject: Lyrics: Jeremy JEREMY Jeremy sits in the sun And he stares at the stripes on on the floor >From the bars on the door Thinking of rabbits he kept as a child In a chicken wire cage He remembers the rage of his father The night he made his one call The relative sranger who left him to fall To the mercy of judges with no shield at all Now he sits and he stares at the punishing wall. Mary, sweet Mary, it's dark and it's cold It's all of the stories you've ever been told Keep the jar on the window, keep the lock on the door Keep your mind on the man Keep away from the store. Jeremy picks up the crayon he saved And he writes in the dark and he thinks of the park And the flowers he gave to the girl with the bells He remembers her smile It was gone at the trial Hear the footsteps of nightguards patroling the halls There are coughers and talkers who don't sleep at all Midst the curse words and worse words that someone had scrawled Now he writes her a poem on the punishing wall. Jeremy gentle, oh Jeremy kind As you walk with the thieves and the killers Believe that our numbers are growing The change has to come Put resentment aside Don't turn bitter and die I'm an ignoramus with sheet music; I hope I'm putting the Mary Mary part in the right place. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:43:37 From: Deb Messling Subject: Lyrics: Carnival in Kenora Twinkle, twinkle, what a pity Alone alone on such a pretty night With enchantment on your side Popcorn, popcorn, cotton candy Soft voice whispered, "This all can be right If you come and share a ride" Carnival in Kenora I let him take me for a ride On a giant Ferris wheel Up in the neon sky Or far from the barker's cry One kiss can sometimes make you feel Like a spinning Ferris wheel All the tents are taken down now All that's left is scuffled ground now Still the magic echoes in the sand Popcorn, popcorn, cotton candy Now a stranger takes my hand; we smile And the magic understands Carnival in Kenora I let him take me for a ride On a giant Ferris wheel Up in the neon sky Or far from the barker's cry One kiss can sometimes make you feel Like a spinning Ferris wheel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:45:22 From: Deb Messling Subject: LYRICS: Who Has Seen the Wind WHO HAS SEEN THE WIND Who has seen the wind Scalloping the sea Or gliding like a swallow Over villages and trees? "I have," said the willow "And I begged him please to stay But he went away He went on his own one day. REFRAIN: And I sing, "One love have I" And he sings "Now it's good-bye" And I sing, "Part of me dies Until I see you again." Who has seen the sun Through a parasol of leaves Through scattered ruby cloud fires Through the silver wings of bees "I have," said the waters "And I held his face to mine, But he left in time He went in his own good time." Who has seen the stranger In a coat of simple brown With his face of many faces With his eyes turned out of town I have, and I kissed him And I begged him please to stay But he went away With the sun and the wind away. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:44:09 From: Deb Messling Subject: Lyrics: Straw-Flower Me STRAW-FLOWER ME Look at me Won't you tell me what you see Behind the tinsel flower lady That you made me feel I must be Could you love a blue straw-flower With no mystic magic power Would you miss the glitter of your fantasy? You know she isn't really me, baby Just to please you Maybe I can be a silver rose But don't you know it's only straw-flower me? Don't you know Even tinsel flowers grow uneasy Shining all the time Sometimes they find they can even glow Could you love a blue straw-flower With no mystic magic power Would you miss the glitter of your fantasy? You know she isn't really me, baby Just to please you Maybe I can be a silver rose But don't you know it's only straw-flower me? Could you love a blue straw-flower With no mystic magic power Would you miss the glitter of your fantasy? You know she isn't really me, baby, baby, baby Deb Messling http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:44:44 From: Deb Messling Subject: Lyrics: Moon in the MIRROR MOON IN THE MIRROR Moon in the mirror Won't you stay awhile tonight? All things of beauty Are too soon out of sight I know it's a selfish plea You must light the hearts of more than me There's a girl at her window Now she's trying to catch your eye But oh, pretty stranger You must keep on passing by Moon in the mirror I don't know you Just a reflection Of kisses and whispers and indigo skies Moon in the mirror Look below you Moon's looking back And they're loving and longing and telling no lies Moon in the mirror I will ask you one more time Not for a reason And not for a rhyme But please tell me if you can Have you seen a moonlit man? He's so very like you You could see him from afar Perhaps he's misplaced moonbeam Or a banished star Moon in the mirror He's so like you Light up the room For an hour; a smile or the beat of my heart Oh how my heart tried to fight him Fight against mirrors Of moonlight or lovelight You're lost from the start, From the start. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:45:56 From: Deb Messling Subject: LYRICS: Poor Sad Baby POOR SAD BABY Good-bye, I'm bound away on the morning plane I'll fly around the world then I'll fly around again And when I've been from Egypt to the snows of Nome Poor sad baby, that's when I'll be coming home Rose gardens in the rain and castles in the snow Postcards from distant places are poor company I know But when old gay Par-ee is just another town Poor sad baby, I'll come home and settle down When I've felt the friendship of a thousand hands When I'm drunk with music from a thousand bands, A thousand bands, I'll dance the streets by moonlight And the fields by day Perchance my jeans won't jingle But the memory coins will stay I'll be a pauper queen, A poor-house millionaire Poor sad baby, I'll bring you home a dream to share ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:46:25 From: Deb Messling Subject: LYRICS: Winter Lady WINTER LADY Winter Lady, where you going With your hair all soft and loose like snowing Winter girl, December child Don't run away Winter Lady, walking sadly, Does your lover treat you badly Do you dream or wish on stars To hear him say, "Oh Winter Lady I won't hurt you I won't cheat you, I won't desert you Winter Lady you need loving I need loving too I need loving you" Staring out your winter window At a silver sky you know you've been to In a kiss, upon a day Bfore a spring Winter Lady, cry those crystal tears He won't know what he's missing Love's too late, you've changed your mind And it's my turn to sing, Oh Winter Lady I won't hurt you I won't cheat you, I won't desert you Winter Lady you need loving I need loving too I need loving you Deb Messling http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:22:48 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: upcoming jmdl gathering in the big nyc hey folks, my friend roberto holliston is coming to new york city next month (his long-awaited first visit) and we're thinking jmdl-gathering! he's already talked to a few people. i've recommended 'tanti baci', the cool little italian spot where joni had her birthday last year (john kelly wrote a beautiful story for jm.com on that event). i had an excellent dinner with lister phil gibbs and his lover there earlier this year. saturday, september 19th. i understand it's a birthday weekend for a certain heather... i'd kind of like to make it a late, long dinner (we do that a lot here). several people are coming from out of town, i was hoping to do a field trip to the metropolitan museum sat afternoon, the met's open quite late (9 pm). so my suggestion would be 9 o'clock dinner at tanti baci. heather, would this work for you, or were you going to drive back to hartford saturday? earlier dinner would be just great, too, but i was hoping you'd be into the museum visit. rickielee, who i'm excited to meet next week at ashara's will be down here for roberto's visit. chilibri and mrs. chili have been wanting to visit ny; i'm really looking forward to meeting the man who writes those posts. and i greatly enjoyed meeting kay ashley last week, and want more of that good conversation... so let's do it. those that are in, email me, let me know if a late dinner works, and i'll make a reservation tomorrow night. patrick np - adams - john's book of alleged dances ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #328 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?