From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #327 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, August 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 327 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [sshaw@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu] Re: Proselyting Joni [Scott Price ] joni, eric, wally, and vincent [PMcfad@aol.com] Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [sshaw@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu] Re: Proselyting Joni [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Kate Bush [TerryM2442@aol.com] tr's new song [Thomas Ross ] Plug Of The Week #35 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] mementos, parents, romantics [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Proselyting Joni [Mark or Travis ] RE: All I Want covers (LJC) (tim curry) [trxschwa ] RE: this list was 'no subject' (njc) [trxschwa ] RE: Unleaded, and coming up Rosie (njc) [trxschwa ] Re: Proselyting Joni [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Sandy Denny and Joni PR Question (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Joni Collaborators in Concert [JRMCo1@aol.com] Sandy Denny (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Proselyting Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Testing the Tiger ["Kakki" ] Re: Kate Bush/ Tom Waits(NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Re: Sandy Denny (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Obscure Lyrics And A Poem [TerryM2442@aol.com] What Ever Happened To? (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Kate Bush/ Tom Waits(NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] RS plus Advance Book Excerpts [Wally Breese ] Re: Obscure Lyrics And A Poem [Denisongs@aol.com] Re: Joni Collaborators in Concert [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: Kate Bush/ Tom Waits(NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni jackpot [Seanapper@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:32:48 -0400 From: sshaw@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu Subject: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) There is a Bruce Cockburn discussion list: Humans. You can find out about it at http://www.kingsfield.com/cockburn/internet_links/maillist.htm - -Sunil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:48:49 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni At 12:39 PM 8/28/98 -0700, Kakki wrote: >I baited, hooked and reeled in a new convert in less than 24 hours! Shining hair and shining skin Shining as she reeled him in To tell him like she did today Just what he should do with Joni's sounds Buy her CD's with his take home pay Scott P.S.: thanks Les for posting the MLK speech, just as Simon did last year....it *really* is inspiring. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:11:29 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: joni, eric, wally, and vincent 27 August, 1998 I have an office in an old building on a square in Savannah, GA. It is one room with four windows. Two windows face over one square and two face over a side street. My desk looks out the two windows facing the square, which has two churches on it. Both windows face a steeple and I like that. It's neat to see two steeples in two windows at the same time. On one wall, I have some pictures hanging by thumb pins. The pictures I pulled off a web site from a vanGogh collection. I did this the first day I opened this office, not quite two years ago. I have up Starry Night, The Potato Eaters, The Sower, self-portrait with Bandaged Ear and Pipe, and The Two Hands. Some more too. I have always liked vanGogh. My first exposure to Vincent came in1979. I was in college in Philadelphia. I took a history course with a small Italian man who carries a cool disposition. Not warm at all. In the second class, he puts on a slide show of vanGogh paintings with Don McLean's Vincent playing over the slides. The first picture was Starry Night. Almost every line had a corresponding picture. This was a life changer for me. Everything stopped that day when music an art came together. I always loved music. But the visual changed the dimensions. This little professor, so cool and aloof. Inside he was on fire. He used to say, 'you have to get past the gas grill in your back yard.' On the other wall in my office I have a variety of characters hanging up. I have Monica Seles. I like her because she took it in the back for no good reason. It took some time, but she's up again. I have a couple of pictures of her in the same position: two-hand grip, curled wrist, mean grimace. One picture I found in a book from when she was eight or nine. Same pose: two- hand grip, curled wrist, mean grimace. She is a determined person. I wrote a caption under it, 'it's not how hard you fall, it's how hard you get back up, time and time again.' I believe this. I also have a news photo of Diana and Mother Theresa shaking hands. I think this is a neat photo because it was taken years before they both died, in the same week. I like the contrast of them together. Separate worlds, same qualities. I have a photo of an unnamed runner from the local marathon. Tybee is this little island near Savannah. The lighthouse is in the background and that's why I like the photo. She looks very content. Another picture I have is from USA Today and it is a color photo of Eric Clapton. The title is Pilgrim in the Present. Of course it ran when Pilgrim came out. I remember where I was the day his son fell. I was in Cleveland and I heard it on my car radio. I had gone to see some customers. I shut the radio off. I denied it. When I arrived to the customer's office, they were talking about it. I knew it was real. My son was two years old that year and his name is Sean. He's named after a younger brother I had who died young at the age of two. Sean my brother died of pneumonia. He was a twin and his twin is still very much alive and we talk every day. I am grateful for this brother. But I miss the other one. I was only five then. Years later when my son was born, I knew his name should be Sean. When Eric's son fell, I was reminded again how hard our world was. You see, I had also lost a sister when I was young. She was only two years younger than me. Her name was Maureen and she had downs syndrome. She died only two years after my brother. I guess I never realized how important those experiences were. For years I couldn't listen to Eric. I loved his guitar. I love the blues. Bent strings. Such a sweet sound. But the ache was too great. When he came on the radio, I turned him off. When he did Tears in Heaven, I couldn't listen to it. For years. Then last year, when I moved into this office, I did two things. One, I put up some pictures of Eric on my wall. I had to face Eric's face every day. I'd pray for him. When I read the USA Today article, I realized how determined he got up from the fall he shared with his son. Yes, he survived that fall. Some of him, anyway. He's sober. He's honest. He understands himself. In the last year, I found Eric's music again. I believe the prayer helped. Both in understanding Eric's loss, and my own. Two, I bought a new guitar. Well, actually a used guitar. After playing chords for twenty years I decided it was time to learn how to bend strings. I took lessons. I played in our church basement for the children's service. It's a strange thing. Most people will not believe it. As I came to understand Eric's loss in contrast with my own, I also came to understand the scale modes. Something I've only dreamed of. I always used to sing guitar leads in my head. I couldn't play them. I can now. In the interview with Eric, he says, " …we are sitting not more than 50 yards, and almost the same height, from where Conor fell. I looked out my window about 20 minutes ago and thought about what it must have been like for him. I can't fully take it on board. My experience of grief is that you take little sips of it, like a very fine wine, and let it go." That's why I turned my radio off in Cleveland years earlier. I knew that. But I sure didn't want to have to face it. They also talked about how kids graffitied the walls in England with Eric is God. Well, Eric is a God to me. Not because of how he plays guitar. Because of how he lives life. My son is now nine and my daughters are now six. And I'm not afraid of their fragileness. Not any more. Eric has paved that ground for me. Someday I hope I am able to thank Eric. Of course, next to Eric on this wall is a picture of Joni and Kilauren. I think this is the best picture of Joni ever taken. I only saw Joni live once, in 1977. I went to a concert with a friend from Ireland who was staying with us for the summer. It was a great out door show. I remember smoking dubes with some people we didn't know. In the seventies, people longed for the fifties. Sock Hops. Not me. I knew the seventies were special. My first Joni album was Ladies of the Canyon. Actually, it was a tape. I eventually wore that tape out. I loved He Played Real Good For Free. The clarinet solo at the end was great. You can see it. Joni, looking back as she drives away. Not talking. Just thinking. So last year, after I read the Joni & Kilauren story, I went out and bought some discs. Ladies of the Canyon, Hits, Misses. For a year straight I listen to them. Every day. Some days, all day. Then, I started to get worried about my behavior. You know, I'm 37, I go into this office alone, I listen to Joni Mitchell all day, I make a some phone calls, I sell some steel, I make some trips every other month up north, and I go home and play with my kids. It is the days I worry about. Maybe I should be doing something more productive. Maybe I am avoiding things. Or worse, maybe I'm living in a fantasy world. One that is not real. About a two months ago, I really started getting focused on some things. One, I called the professor I had in college that played for us the vanGogh show. I thanked him and told him that I felt that slide show was the most important learning I had had to date. He stuttered and said, no way. I assured him it was so and that I had just realized that fact and that as evidence, he can check his messages for the last 18 years to see how many times before I have called him. Remember, he was a cool cat. Not gooey. But, I think he was glad I called. I know I was. It was important. At this time, I also started thinking more and more about Joni and Kilauren. You know, the miracle of it all. Then, I went on line looking. I found the Wally page. I wondered what would make someone go to such lengths to build a web page. Such hard work. See, I don't know Joni the way some of you all do. I don't know all her albums. I don't know her bio. But I have always loved her sound. It wasn't until I read Wally's pages that I came to really know about Joni. Then things fell into place. The two songs I really came to love were River, and Chinese Café. Yes, I have read about Little Green… ' Sad and sorry, but not ashamed..' But to me, Joni's heart is in River and Chinese Cafe. 'I made my baby cry, I made my baby say good bye.' 'Oh my love, my darlin, I've hungered for your touch…are you still mine…I need your love…God speed your love to me.' Those tracks sit back to back on Hits. Joni placed them together that way. Time has its way with our hearts. Shame is different from grief. Shame hurts. Grief cripples. Poor Joni. Two marriages. Don't we all want some permanence in our lives? Something that just doesn't fizzle out. Something lasting. Hurray for Joni. Her prayer was answered. Something, at least one thing, became certain. Kilauren. On Monday this week I looked at my right wall. I saw the pictures of Joni and Eric side by side. I never thought about them together before. But they fit. Poor Eric. He's born to a young unwed mother. They live with her parents and tell Eric that his mother is his sister and his grandparents are his parents. Later, years later, they tell him the truth. Eric always has had a hard time keeping relationships. He tells Larry King last year when asked about his marriage to his best friend's (George Harrison) wife Patty Harrison, that he made a mistake. That it was a wrong relationship. He says, 'I wanted what I thought George and Patty had.' Larry says, 'and you took her!' Eric says, "yes, I did, and it's something I regret." Then, after Conor fell, and Eric looked back, From the Cradle, should we be surprised when he sings, ' If I mistreat you girl, sure don't mean no harm, I'm a motherless child, don't know right from wrong.' The cover of Pilgrim looks like night time. Dark sky and a bright moon over dark water with dragons under the surface. But when I look close, I see the moon is not in night. Its an eclipse. The sun is covered, all but a very slight glow at the edge. There in is Eric's hope. Eric the Pilgrim, in the dark, looking for the light. I'll bet Eric finds the love he's so hungered for. I'll bet he finds it soon. When I look at Eric and Joni side by side I see they share a bond. He had a child for a short time that he lost forever. But his permanence had helped him find his way. They'll be no more tears in heaven. Eric knows this. He lives in the eclipse. Time will show the light. And Joni, she had a child that was lost for a long time but now is found. She lived for thirty years in the same eclipse. But permanence found her. Made her the Sire of Joy. They'll be no more tears for Joni. Eric and Joni seem symmetrical. Different, but the same. Then there's Wally. Late in the game, he tells his story. You know I just read Wally's story yesterday. His offer of selflessness. Wally knows the power of selfless love. You sense the importance. You have to respond. Even when it hurts. Even when your tired. What a grand reason to do so much work. One of the articles I found has a picture of Wally. I put it on my wall, just over the runner, next to Diana and Theresa. Under Joni and Kiluaren. Diagonal to Eric. The last thing on my mind this week is Poor Vincent. He never found his permanence. Not in this life, at least. But who's to judge. Maybe he saw something we can't. All this got me wanting to hear more Joni this week. I went looking for the new one. TTT. Not out yet. But I found Turbulent Indigo. I didn't have this one. I never saw the connection until I came to my office. I was listening to the first track and looking at the insert. Imagine my joy when I saw the cover for what it is. I walked over to the other wall and pinned it next to vanGogh's. This week, my walls converged. The threads started to over lap. To cross. To form a web. Vincent's self- portrait was done in Arles. Two things jumped out at me. One, Joni left the pipe out. Two, the background. She has the swirls in the background. They come from the Starry Night. Look at them. When I see these swirls, I think about our lives over time. How we see things differently. How God enters our lives. How he makes us be like himself. Or herself. Like Wally, and Eric, and Conor, and Joni, and Kilauren, and Vincent, and so on it goes. All in a big sweeping swirl that never really starts and never really ends. So late last night, I brought home Turbulent Indigo. I showed my son Sean the CD. He said, Dad, that looks like one of the paintings you have on your wall in your office. I said it was. He said, "that's really cool, Dad, that you would have the same picture. What do you think about that?" I looked him straight in the eye and said, " I think God sent us this picture to let us know we're doing fine. That we'll make it just fine." Then, I said, let's go listen to it. And so we did. The whole album. At 10:30 pm he asked me to bring home the one that has the song about her daddy on it. He's talking about Carey. That is his favorite Joni song. He asked me what it was about. I told him I didn't know. He said he thought it was about her daddy. With kids, you know, its not always as complicated as it seems. I said, I really am not sure it's about her daddy, Sean. He says, that's ok, it sounds like it is. Can we listen to that one tomorrow night, Daddy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:31:27 -0400 From: sshaw@bustoff.bwh.harvard.edu Subject: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) I think his best albums are: Further Adventures of Dancing in the Dragon's Jaws Humans The Trouble with Normal Nothing but a burning light Actually, Dragon's Jaws is one of my all time favourites. Somehow, his latest, The Charity of Night didn't do it for me ... - -Sunil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:41:48 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni In a message dated 8/28/98 3:50:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << But I'm feeling quite fluffed out to think I baited, hooked and reeled in a new convert in less than 24 hours! Heehee. >> Well done, Kakki! Maybe the list will hit 501 soon! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:48:27 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate Bush Ok, my head is exploding. I want to buy a Kate Bush and have no idea which one to pick. Today at the record shop, I bought my first Tom Waite- howeveryouspellit- and didn't know which to choose either. Already forgot the title of the one I picked out. I also bought Liz Phair's new one, thanks to Michael's instance. It WAS you, right Michael? And since I am unable to read/write email whilst listening to music, I will now sign my posts with: wpet (was playing earlier today): This Flight Tonight- JM Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:54:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: tr's new song new song, close to done. it's in 4/4 for a change! altered blues form. notes: the bread metaphor is closer to 1500 yrs old! from a french troubador. and I sometimes go by Baby Shoeless, since my dad has the stage name of Shoeless John. *Got the Knife* aka All You Knead is Loaf some got the time some got the heat some got the oven but they still won't eat some got the water and some the salt some just the flour it's not their fault some talk of love for all their life but we got its bread and we got a knife. . . for the stuff to rise you better knead it when your hunger's high you better feed it when it swells so brown it's hard to beat it when it smells that good we better eat it. . . it's not by baby shoeless the line is dust of thousand-year-old lovers who chewed the crust instead of baby shoeless the name is dust of thousand-year-old lovers who chewed the crust. . . some got the time some got the heat some got the oven and still won't eat some got the flour and some the salt some just the water it's not their fault some talk of love for all their life but we got the good bread and we got the knife some brag of live for all their life but we got the fresh bread and we got the knife some talk of love so big for all their life but we've got the bread and we've got the knife some talk of love for all their life ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:56:29 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #35 It's plugging time again..... This week it's time for two different, new releases by two of my favourite singers: Rick Danko and Levon Helm Danko's new album is: "Rick Danko In Concert" (Woodstock Records) It's an album recorded live in Foxborough, MA and Clinton, NJ in 1997 with Randy Ciarlante and Aaron Hurwitz as the accompanying musicians. Tracks include great versions of "Twilight, Stage Fright, It Makes No Difference and Blind Willie McTell". Helm's album is: "Levon Helm & The Crowmatix, Vol. 1" (Woodstock Records) This is a studio/live album with musicians Randy Ciarlante, Aaron Hurwitz, Marie Spinosa, Jimmy Eppard, Mike Dunn, Garth Hudson, Tom Malone, Amy Helm, Jim Weider, and Richard Bell. Standout cuts on this release are "Java Blues, Don't Ya Tell Henry, Rag Mama Rag, Paramount and Great Beyond". These albums are ONLY available from: woodstkrec@aol.com When you do order them, please say hi from me! Take care for now, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:38:48 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: sjc: "The down of a peach says, mmm, yessssss"-Kate Bush Hi! It was another great week in the garden as we prepare for the "tamed" Hurricane to hit Connecticut tonight. Our Kitchen is full of tomatoes! And it was so tropical here this year that we got the best muskmelons and peaches in years. "And the down of a peach says, mmmm, yess"-Kate Bush. After Joni and Ella Fitzgerald, Kate Bush is third in my pantheon of musicians that speak to me. I've been with her since "The Hounds of Love". Then, I went back and bought most everything else she ever recorded. I have never thought of her in the same way as Joni. Joni is less of a performance artist. Kate's music is dance, and song, and words, and emotions that come flying out and stick to the walls. As a reader she appeals to me because she takes old literary characters and gives them a modern voice. I've spent years listening to Kate closely. I love to dance with her. She did not lose me with "Sensual World", insted she "loosed" me and drew me closer to her. It is in my humble opinion, her best album. Still Kate like Joni is esoteric. Kate even more so. Kate is definitely not for everybody. A very underrated artist and right up there with Joni in the talent and song writing dept. is Janis Ian. She won a grammy in the 70s with her hit "At Seventeen" and her album "Between the Lines". It's a great album and one that I listen to a lot in the fall. I like to sit out under an old tree with the smell of leaves in the air and sing"Lover's Lullaby" to Mrs. Chili. I had the pleasure of hearing her and meeting her in the late eighties at the Iron Horse in Northampton, Massachusetts. I strongly suggest going to her show if she tours near you. She made some albums after "Between the Lines" before coming on some tough times. I loaned these albums to a friend and never got them back. I never held it against him because that same friend reintroduced me to Joni and turned me on to Kate as well. Still I would like to have those albums to listen to. They are now "out of print". Can anybody on the list help? I have read and enjoyed the recent commentary on Jane Siberry. One of my greatest concert going experiences was hearing (also at the Iron Horse) her perform"The Taxi Ride" from "The Speckless Sky". Quite a sad story about a taxi coming to take away her old man, but one I have listened to over and over and over. I'm sure most listers would enjoy this song. Thank you all so much for your kind words about the "Chili Review of the Day in the Garden". I really appreciate it. Take Care, - -ChiliBri PS. NP understood at last. What about NG (Now Growing) or NE (Now Eating) the possibilities are endless!! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:47:14 -0700 From: barbara wood Subject: I Have a Dream Wow Les, I am so glad you posted that speech. I have never heard it or read it, Ive only heard the few famous quotes. So I was totally floored by it. Too bad its now 35 years later and there hasnt been much improvement in some of those southern states. My father (who I love very, very much) was raised in Thalia, Tx. He is one of the most bigoted people I have ever known. He went so far to say that if any of his daughters ever dated a black he would disown us. I was raised in Anaheim, CA. We had 1 black boy in our high school (Loara), who lived on my block. I liked him very much. My point in posting this is that I wish too, that all races and colors could 'all just get along'. So that the jmdl police dont get mad for my not showing NJC in the subject line, I also would like to know if anyone has a copy of the Showtime series 'Coast to Coast' that Joni did with Herbie. That would be awesome to see and hear. I love those two songs and to hear them played with those great artists would be a thrill! Also, I love when we get new people posting here. I always seem to learn new stuff, just by their asking questions, ie. NP -now playing Barbara in Laguna Beach NP - Freefalling, Tom Petty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:45:16 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: mementos, parents, romantics helped mummy clean out the garage today and we took down the three big boxes of mementos that my parents put up there in '83 or so (i would have been almost 1). it's so funny. mum showed me her senior high school picture (she was sooooo beautiful i'm so jealous) and the pictures of her boyfriends (cute), and other assorted things. She even has one of the old little beatle pins with john on it that's probably worth ten thousand dollars now. she even has the picture from grad night at disneyland '68. it was odd for me. then we got into the stuff with my parents relationship and how they were going to break up because of racial b.s. my mum still has all those old love letters (she let me read some of them) and stuff. my dad sent her song lyrics by jimi hendrix and the moody blues and jefferson airplane. then there was this one letter my mum sent my dad when they were going through a tough period with joni lyrics from lesson in survival. it was really sad. "your friends protect you, scrutinize me, i get so damn timid." i can relate to those lyrics alot right now. it's weird to think of my parents as people without children. in my mind they will always be a pair, you know, like shoes. my parents were really romantic! they wrote poetry and all this great stuff. enviable really. - -mariana (still wandering in oddityville) NP: elliott smith, XO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:49:06 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni Kakki wrote: But I'm feeling quite fluffed out to > think I baited, hooked and reeled in a new convert in less than 24 hours! > Heehee. > > Kakki I've been working on converting a co-worker too. His email signature line was 'Tangled Up in Blue' so I asked him if he liked Dylan. He said he really liked the afore-mentioned song so I told him that that particular song had supposedly been inspired by Joni Mitchell's 'Blue'. A few days later I loaned him the 'Blue' CD (he knew 'River' from the Indigo Girls cover). A while later I brought him 'Hejira'. He says he likes 'Blue' for it's simplicity but he's also intrigued by 'Hejira'. This guy's probably around 25 or 26. What should I give him next? Suggestions? I'm thinking 'Night Ride Home'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:15:07 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: All I Want covers (LJC) (tim curry) i have tim's album 'simplicity', as well as (yikes) 3 different rocky horror soundtracks. i've always loved his voice. rocky horror is campy fun, of course, but that last song he sings, 'i'm going home' still rips me to shreds. simplicity is a long-time favorite, with great cover versions of 'she's not there', 'dancing in the streets', 'summer in the city' and especially his chilling take on 'i put a spell on you'. two fabulous ballads, 'out of pawn' and 'simplicity'. there was a single, 'working on my tan' patrick, wishing he'd bought more tim curry back then np - moby and mimi goese - into the blue - junior vasquez remix ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:59:59 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: this list was 'no subject' (njc) lori wrote >please take the time to learn your email system, and choose the option that does not repeat the entire text. and it was ridiculously easy to do in outlook 97. tools | options | 'reading' tab and you'll see the choices for replying and forwarding. aol must be somewhat customizable. in replies i receive from aol folk, the original is from some an attachment, and from others just additional text. the only pain about this is you have to go back and reopen the original if you want to quote. a sacrafice i'll gladly make for the jmdl! patrick np - morrissey making 'moon river' into a minidrama. god, he's a brilliant mess ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:32:17 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Unleaded, and coming up Rosie (njc) hey bill, five degrees of separation from joni to patrick 1) >tina louise <> ate up some potential joni air-time 2) >ginger <> more interesting than maryanne 3) dawn wells (maryanne) was miss nevada 1949 (about the second year nevada had one) 4) my mom, donna sollars, was miss nevada 1951 (soprano with ukulele = boffo talent) 5) former beauty queen gives up showbiz to raise family it was kind of a fun-fact growing up, and fun to look in the annual that was sent out every year. i guess it was the program for the pageant, sent to all the formers, with a little 'where is she now section'. family pictures some years, with dawn wells right next to us. mom went back and actually participated, at least twice that i can remember. we have great scrapbooks, too. my sister has an original photo, b&w of all the contestants in the 1951 miss america, sitting up on the back seats of 1951 convertibles, diagonally parked on the atlantic city boardwalk, with the sea at their backs. they're all in white one-piece bathing suits and sashes. the original is about 6 feet long by 10 inches tall, it ran across three pages of the atlantic city newspaper. i guess this clearly qualifies as a haagen daaz event post. hdep, a new acronym signifying stunningly banal email patrick np - morrissey - viva hate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:00:59 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni In a message dated 8/28/98 8:54:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark-n- Travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << What should I give him next? >> I vote: For The Roses at this point. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:30:12 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Sandy Denny and Joni PR Question (NJC) Julie Z. Webb wrote: <> With this thread, and a couple recent posts about Sandy Denny, one of my all time favorites, I want to share a story from the Sandy Denny mailing list about the recent CD release of her final concert ("Gold Dust: Live at the Royalty Theatre"). Because John Penhallow (the Australian who put out the Sandy Denny/Trevor Lucas Attic Tracks series and compilation) and Willem Doornkamp (whose Sandy web site is right up there with jonimitchell.com) were involved with Island in releasing the concert, and are on the Sandy list, our group was tapped for input about the title of the release, and about which one of the 18 songs recorded at the concert should be omitted from the CD due to space limitations. And we got a preview of the cover photos/layout and of the liner notes (by a woman on the list who's writing a biography of Sandy), and the credits give the address of Willem's site and instructions for subscribing to the list. I'm not sure how much our suggestions figured into Island's decisions -- but I thought it was a wonderful gesture. I'm not saying it's at all comparable to Joni, Reprise, and the JMDL, though, if for no other reason than Joni's still alive. - --David P.S. It's a great CD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:37:58 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni Collaborators in Concert Hi Jonilistas: I've been out of the loop for awhile, so please pardon if this is old news: While scanning the entertainment pages of the San Francisco rag I was pleasantly surprised to find that some musicans who have worked closely with Joni are going to be playing in the Bay Area in September! The Pat Matheny Trio with Brian Blade and Larry Grenadier will be at Yoshi's in Oakland on 9/21 and 9/22. Brian is featured on TTT and has been touring with Joni, as we all know. Pat Metheny toured with Joni on the Shadows and Light tour, along with Jaco Pastorius on bass, back in '79 and is on that live album. What a hot jazzy tour that was! (Thanks, Roberto, for the video. It's a treasure.) Grenadier is on acoustic bass in this trio. Yoshi's, a Japanese restarant and "world class jazz house," is a really nice new room located at Oakland's famed Jack London Square. The ad says "plus special guest," do you think...? Stranger things have happened, I suppose. Ya'll come. Herbie Hancock and the Headhunters will be at the Fillmore in SF on 9/15. They will also play the beautiful Villa Montalvo Mountain Winery in Saratoga, CA on 9/16. I believe that's located near lovely coastal Santa Cruz, near where Leslie and Steve Mixon live. Herbie and Joni go way back...indeed I believe Leslie took photos of Joni and Herbie at a concert at the Berkeley Greek Theater in the mid '70s. I think. Anyway, Herbie's Headhunters thang exudes a funk groove. I'm gonna check it out. One other thing, if I may. I want to publicly thank list member Michael Paz for a wonderful gesture that I will forever appreciate. He hooked me up with tickets and all-access back stage passes to the B.B. King Blues Festival when it came to my area. I got to meet and hang out with Dr. John (featured on the recent Mojo magazine cover along with Joni) and all the Neville Brothers and family. I got to speak to B.B. just as he was coming off stage and the crowd was still roaring it's approval of his set. B.B. even let me hold Lucille! I am still beside myself with delight about the whole evening! Thanks again Michael. What a many splendored phenomenon, this Joni List. I'm glad to be back among you. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:54:36 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Sandy Denny (NJC) Hi everyone- Does anyone know about a Sandy Denny web site? Something comprehensive like the JMHP? I first heard her stuff when she sang backup on Led's Battle of Evermore, and I really like her voice. Does she play the guitar? _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| "Someday we'll look back on all this and ram into a parked car." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:53:10 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Proselyting Joni In a message dated 8/28/98 9:28:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << << What should I give him next? >> I vote: For The Roses at this point. >> I second that emotion. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:52:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Testing the Tiger Well, an interesting outcome from my "marketing focus group Joni testing" on workmate Brad today! I quickly compiled what I thought were the choicer Joni cuts from Jaco/Mingus era Joni, along with some from TI and then all five songs from TTT which were played on the KCRW interview. He was real surprised and happy when I returned with the tape. I put it in the tape player in my case room and tried to act like I was working and not looking too hard at his reaction. He was very quiet but obviously listening intently. He only made two comments during this time - "Do you know about Nick Drake?" and then a bit later "Do you know about Tim Buckley?". "Yes, yes!" I said, "all my Joni group adore them both!" He told me I had to get the Nick Drake boxed set and then he didn't say any more. Finally I turned the tape over and played the TTT songs and left the room for awhile. When I came back he didn't say anything. Not knowing what to think I asked him what he thought. Suddenly he became quite effusive, saying repeatedly "I REALLY, REALLY like ALL her new stuff!" and then he went on and on babbling about it! (O.K. - you all form your own conclusions!) O.K., so then I tell him I'd like to buy his band's CD. He just happens to have one available at his desk. My goodness, he is quite talented! Lead guitar, vocals and writes most all the songs which are much more intricate than mere metal. Incredible voice and the music has shades of punky Led Zep, Greg Allman along with some Drake-inflected hard rock. What a neat music day! Kakki NP: Nowhere Near - (Brad's band) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:08:48 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Kate Bush/ Tom Waits(NJC) I would go with 'Hounds of Love' -Kate Bush. > I bought my first Tom Waite- > howeveryouspellit- and didn't know which to choose either > It looks like you bought swordfishtrombones. If I'm correct, just know that there is pre-swordfish and post-swordfish. Any other Waits folks here on the list that might be able to help? ( I know there are some.) My Dad's 75th B-Day is this weekend. I'm making the cake right now, as well as 50 other things...Yikes! jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:45:30 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Sandy Denny (NJC) Mark Domyancich wrote: <> There is an excellent Sandy site -- as I mentioned in another post, I'd rate it right up there with Wally's site -- it's comprehensive (guitar tabs, lyrics, photos, album info, etc.), with a particularly nice collection of 20- and 30-year old articles and interviews. (I'm proud to say I contributed some obituaries I found at the library.) It is at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~golddust <> Yes, and also piano. Just a couple of months ago, Mojo did a feature on Sandy Denny that was as terrific as their Joni interview, BTW. - --David NP: Liz Phair, _whitechocolatespaceegg_!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:35:13 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Obscure Lyrics And A Poem Hi, I lost a cherished songbook (again!- For The Roses, did anyone accidently pick it up at Julie's??) but found a very old one that was collecting dust. The Music Of Joni Mitchell, published in 1969 has the music and lyrics to: Carnival In Kenora, Jeremy, A Melody In Your Name, Moon In The Mirror, Poor Sad Baby, Straw-Flower Me, Who Has Seen The Wind, and Winter Lady. There is also a poem titled The Fishbowl, in the beginning of the songbook. Also included are other well known early songs such as Both Sides Now, etc. Unfortunately, all songs are shown in standard tuning. If anyone would like me to type any of the lyrics out here, I'd be happy to. I checked Wally's page and couldn't seem to find them. Let me know. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:39:29 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: What Ever Happened To? (NJC) Does anyone remember the group Pentangle? Whatever happened to them? Terry, in one of those nostalgic moods wpet: This Flight Tonight, with bare hands ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:52:25 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate Bush/ Tom Waits(NJC) In a message dated 8/28/98 11:10:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << It looks like you bought swordfishtrombones. >> Jody, No, I think it's his collected works. Bad move? Good move? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 22:32:25 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: RS plus Advance Book Excerpts Hi everybody, The September 17th issue of Rolling Stone magazine has a short article called "Fall Album Preview." Under a heading of "Viva Divas," Joni's Taming The Tiger is listed with a release date of September 29th. The reviewer begins by saying that Joni is "fresh from a return to live performance," and then he calls the album "...more Pop than Jazz..." and says it "...recalls at times 1974's classic Court And Spark. So TTT's first review is a good one, although very short. It's a plus to see any JM mention in RS and it's auspicious that she's the very first artist listed in the piece as having a new release this fall! It's rather lazy, I feel, to compare every new album to her biggest seller or to say something like "Her best album in a decade!," and I don't really think TTT sounds very much like C&S. But if a comparison inspires people to run out and buy the new album, I'm pleased. Martin Blair, whom I became acquainted with when Joni was discussing appearing on Barbara Walter's "20/20" after the reunion with Kilauren, now works elsewhere but he still keeps in touch with any JM news he picks up. He recently sent me a couple of excerpts from two books due for publication in September. One is by Grace Slick and the other by Judy Collins. Here's what they have to say about Joni- Grace Slick "Somebody To Love? A Rock-and-Roll Memoir" with Andrea Cagan...publishing date: Sept. 8 (this excerpt is on p. 153-54) Grace is discussing how her parents' "Edwardian background" and how they had "disgust for a lifestyle that was completely contrary to their sense of what was appropriate 'for a lady'" "A woman who did bow her head and blush, although she was very talented and self-reliant at the same time, was Joni Mitchell. She somehow managed to put it all together. When David Crosby took me to the studio where she was recording, Joni was sitting quietly in a chair between takes, singing a song for anybody who would listen. When she was finished, and David introduced us, she seemed so fragile, I thought she'd break into bunches of rose petals on the floor. That first impression was ultimately wrong - she is a strong woman. But, that first time we met, she seemed like the most sensitive person on the planet, and I couldn't bring myself to fuck up her serenity by being my usual sarcastic "truck driver" self. I saw her recently at a restaurant in LA and I was too chickenshit to deal with someone who was musician enough to record with Charles Mingus." Judy Collins "Singing Lessons: A Memoir of Love, Loss, Hope and Healing" Pocket Books Pub Date: Sep, 1998 (this excerpt is on p. 163-64) Judy, whose book focuses on her painful relationship with Clark - her son - also talks about her first encounter with Joni in 1967: "I had begun to hear of Joni Mitchell by then. She had a good following in the Village and in Canada and many cities in the States. She didn't have a recording contract at the time and one night one of her ardent fans (I remember it being Tom Rush, but he always denies it) called me up at three a.m. and had Joni play me "Both Sides Now." I immediately began to weep. I said I had to record it, she said she wanted me to, as she didn't have a contract at that time, and was eager for her songs to get out to the public. One night I went to Joni's little apartment in Manhattan where we ate a delicious dinner and then sat, over glasses of wine, while she sang me more of her songs. Each one made me weep. I sobbed over their beauty, their luminous lyric strength. She played me "Michael From Mountains" that night as the candles flickered against stained glass and rubywine glasses. We talked about our lives, about our children. Joni told me about the heartache of having a child she gave away when she was a teenager. Each of us had a sorrow to bear (Joni has recently reunited with her child, a miracle of time, patience and love.") Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:09:02 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: Obscure Lyrics And A Poem In a message dated 98-08-29 01:25:21 EDT, you write: << The Music Of Joni Mitchell, published in 1969 has the music and lyrics to: Carnival In Kenora, Jeremy, A Melody In Your Name, Moon In The Mirror, Poor Sad Baby, Straw-Flower Me, Who Has Seen The Wind, and Winter Lady. >> You are so lucky! What a great find!! I have been looking for that songbook for decades! ........Denise : ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 98 06:09:24 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Joni Collaborators in Concert Hi Julius, When I read this I said to myself "don't count on Joni being there, she'll be in Chicago." Then I checked old emails and noticed that her Chicago benefit concert is 9/18. So yeah, I suppose she could get to SF by 9/21 or 9/22 -- wouldn't that be nice surprise! :-) -Kenny p.s. before any new list members get too excited about this Chicago concert, it's a benefit -- at $5000 per pair of tickets! On 8/28/98 JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: The Pat Matheny Trio with Brian Blade and Larry Grenadier will be at Yoshi's in Oakland on 9/21 and 9/22. The ad says "plus special guest," do you think...? Stranger things have happened, I suppose. Ya'll come. -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:36:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate Bush/ Tom Waits(NJC) In a message dated 8/29/98 1:15:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << No, I think it's his collected works. Bad move? Good move? Terry >> Probably a good way to introduce yourself to him. Paul I "Never saw the mornin' till I stayed up all night" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:57:05 EDT From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Joni jackpot Today I hit the jackpot! I walked outside, and there, stuffed in the mailbox, were the envelope containing Tape Tree #7 (THANK YOU, David Marine!) and the box containing the one CD I didn't have: Shadows and Light (Thanks for the Music Blvd. coupon info, Laura!). Needless to say, I didn't get any of the errands on my agenda done today. Mark in Seattle, I enjoyed reading about your feelings on listening to the Gorge concert. I also went to that concert, and it was the first tape I listened to. At the concert, I was about 10 or 15 feet away from a HUGE speaker, so the sound was sort of distorted. I still loved it (I think it even added to "Slouching"), but when I think back, my memories of the concert are more of the sensation of my entire body vibrating from that giant speaker and of the thrill of actually seeing her perform than of the music itself. But the tape brings it all back. In fact, she actually sounds much better on the tape, because it doesn't have the distortion I heard. I even think I can hear myself yell on the tape (an original line: "yeah! Joni!"). Of course, it could be any one of the other 18 or 20 thousand people there. But in my mind, it's me. Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #327 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?