From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #324 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, August 28 1998 Volume 03 : Number 324 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bruce Cockburn (SJC) [Susan McNamara ] RE: Bruce Cockburn post & JM [Michael Yarbrough ] Billboard Article if you want it [Guy Brown ] Re: JMDL evolution ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Bruce Cockburn ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Re: Bruce Cockburn [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni Gold CDs/Special Ed. on Tower ??? [LRFye@aol.com] Elliott Smith (NJC) [michael paz ] Re: Bruce Cockburn post & JM ["Don Rowe" ] Jolene (NJC) [Howard Motyl ] Dar Williams in London (NJC) [Rob Jordan ] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #321 ["Nixon" ] It's Official [michael paz ] Rolling thunder [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: JMDL evolution [catman ] Re: JMDL evolution [catman ] RE: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Shameless Self-Promotion Update NJC [Howard Motyl ] RE: Bruce Cockburn (njc) [trxschwa ] RE: Joni Mitchell in Ireland [trxschwa ] this list (vljc) was 'no subject' [trxschwa ] Re: Elliott Smith (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: RE: Joni Mitchell in Ireland [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: this list was 'no subject' (njc) [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greens] That autobiography [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: this list was 'no subject' (njc) [Denisongs@aol.com] Cockburn's Magnetic Strip ["Alan Larson" ] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) ["Claud SansSoucie" ] Inside Joni List joke *NJC* ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC: Richie Havens covering "On the Turning Away" [Roger Walker ] Re: Joni PR Question [Mark or Travis ] Name That Lister! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni Mitchell in Ireland ["Kakki" ] Joni Harmony [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: this list was 'no subject' (njc) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni Gold CDs/Special Ed. on Tower ??? [Mark or Travis ] Bruce Cockburn (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Thanks for the memories - the Gorge revisited [Mark or Travis ] Tape Tree 7 [Jeff Klepper ] Re: Joni Harmony [Helen Gill ] re:(SJC) Van Gogh in DC [some millers ] RE: (SJC) Van Gogh in DC [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: (SJC) Van Gogh in DC [Marsha ] 9/17/98 Rolling Stone [Michael Yarbrough ] [Fwd: Abbreviations] ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:54:07 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (SJC) I've been snagged!! Thanks for the reminder Marsha! Here are the names I remember from the JMDL banner picture, partial head shots of Gene and Don, ??(with the curly hair), Amy, Heather(?) and unidentified smiling guy with a hat. Please fill in the blanks, gardeners, so we know who is who!! >Sue, Sue! >Please don't forget to label at least (SJC) for these >posts! ;-D > >btw: great pics at the Garden, and who were the members >in the JMDL shot? > >xoxo, >Marsh ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "And the powers of reason And the flowers of deep feelings Seem to serve me Only to deceive me" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:04:30 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Bruce Cockburn post & JM Claud wrote: <<>> Bonnie Raitt performed several dates of this year's Lilith Fair. Also, FWIW, last year's all-star encore jam at Lilith was none other than BYT (which I find ironic since most of the venues are paved-over paradises themselves). - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:08:37 -0700 From: Guy Brown Subject: Billboard Article if you want it I have a copy of this magazine (8/22) issue and will send anyone who wants it a photocopy of the article on Joni. Email me off list with your snail mail address. GUY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:04:24 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: JMDL evolution Marsha! Well put! I couldn't agree more and I am a new member also! I do struggle through the messages and I have to tell you, the many gems I run into are worth the trouble of sorting through them JC or NJC. I am hooked - farts and belches including! Claud - -----Original Message----- From: Marsha >Fortunately, you have stumbled upon a cybercommunity >of Joniphiles. We are interested not only in what >is new or old with Joni, but why we all love her >music/poetry/paintings like we do, how she affects our >sensibilities and life choices, and then we get the urge for >sharing this... >then folks start comparing notes and find commonality or differences >and the threads of discussion spin out into lovely patterns.... >then a few Joniphiles finally meet, delight in one anothers' >company and want to share that... >pretty soon hundreds know one another in various combos.... >we share that....it becomes like a small town of highly >specialized smartie pants posters....just wonderful. >Some of the members get to do special things like attend >Joni shows, give reports, take wonderful pictures and >share their good times with us here in the box. >Some even have VERY special moments like meeting our Joan, >and share that with us, and it tickles us pink, because >you see, we have come to know and love our lucky members so well >from the above process, we vicariously experience >and delight in their good fortune Joni-moments. >Occasionally folks belch and fart about how all this wastes their >precious time (mostly workers who are stealing time on the >bosses' computers) and how there is just too much chatter >on our lovely list... >Wait until we get 1000 members here.....goody! >You gotta love it, jump into the fray, post away, or >lurk, lurk and sulk, post and sulk, throw hissies and >leave in a huff, whatever your heart desires... > >or you can set your title filter up and not receive >NJC (no Joni content) stuff, like a lot of people say >they do, but they really don't because they secretly >need to see our little cybercommunity in all it's glory. > >You're welcome, > >Marsha, wondering how colin's John is doing after the > Haagen Daz disaster? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:09:10 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn - -----Original Message----- From: Susan McNamara >get it along with the phenomenal live EP You >Pay Your Money and You Take Your Chance which has the most riveting >performance of Strange Waters. Hi nice to know you love him too. Who wrote the bit about integrity? - I think it is why I like both JM and BC - they both have musical and personal integrity! I this a new EP? when was it released? Claud > > ____________________ > /____________________\ >||-------------------|| >|| Sue McNamara || >|| sem8@cornell.edu || >||___________________|| >|| O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > > >"And the powers of reason > And the flowers of deep feelings > Seem to serve me > Only to deceive me" - Joni Mitchell > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:16:05 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn It was released by Rykodisc last year. I ordered it from their website. Really worth the 10 bucks!!! Take care, sue >Hi nice to know you love him too. Who wrote the bit about integrity? - I >think it is why I like both JM and BC - they both have musical and personal >integrity! I this a new EP? when was it released? >Claud >> ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "And the powers of reason And the flowers of deep feelings Seem to serve me Only to deceive me" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:43:13 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Gold CDs/Special Ed. on Tower ??? Don Rowe wrote: > Whilst surfing the Tower web-site yesterday, a couple of items caught my attention ... a "Gold CD" for WTRF (I think) and a "special edition" of NRH w/additional photo-montages of Joni's work. Does anyone have either of these ... and if so, is the gold CD noticably different from the standard? I have both of these. I think the golf WTRF produces a much better sound than a standard CD -- and the gold CD is beautiful to behold. It's packaged in a special "pop-up" jewel case, as well: when you open the case, the CD raises at an angle for easy removal. The NRH special edition is a standard CD packaged in a stiff paper case, with metallic blue lettering on dark blue paper, that folds and ties with a string. It contains a very nice lyric sheet as well as four of Joni's photographs, suitable for framing. I was lucky in that these were gifts and I did not have to spend the extra bucks, although I would have ... Lori in SATX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:47:21 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Elliott Smith (NJC) Hey Marilune- There is an article about songwriting that has a couple of pages on Elliot Smith in the September issue of Guitar Player Magazine (with Ray Davies on the cover). I thought you mighht like to read it. Do you have a fax machine? I do not have a scanner, but am willing to fax it to you. Let me know. I haven't heard the XO album yet, but it's on my short list. Welcome home by the way. Best,\ Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:58:26 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn post & JM Claud writes on the subject of Lilith Fair ... Like where is Bonnie Raitt and the likes? i >wonder if this is intentional or what. Strangely enough it seems more likely >that Joni would mingle with the young male musicians than the young female >musicians. Bonnie was actually on my leg of the Lilith Fair tour, and honestly I went just to see her, and left wishing it had been just her -- oh boy, are they gonna shoot me now! Blaze away Lilith fans, but I think Morrissey had a point in his interview w/Joni when he called many of these new acts "vague Suzannahs". BTW, I don't count Sarah Mac or Shawn Colvin in that "vague" bunch -- hope that saves me a few burns. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:58:30 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Jolene (NJC) <(snip) Paula Cole did actually do a cover of Dolly Parton's "Jolene" that rocked but that was the only nod to the founding mopsthers. (snip)... Charlotte> >Anyone else ever heard Patti Smith's version of Jolene? Next to queen Dolly, I think it is quite good. >Sherrie Matraca Berg, a country singer and songwriter, does a version of "Jolene" that is also every bit as good as Dolly's. I am afraid to say that I liked it better than Dolly's because someone may attack . . . np: Abbey Lincoln: Affair . . . a story of a girl in love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:06:43 +0100 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Dar Williams in London (NJC) UK Jimdlers: I just bought a ticket for Dar's concert at Queen Elizabeth Hall on the South Bank on October 3rd. In the absence of a visit from Joni, I thought this might be a good venue for the long-awaited UK gathering. I know Colin's smitten with Dar, as I am, anyone else? Tickets have been on sale for ages, I only just found out. But I was lucky to get a 3rd row centre ticket, probably because I'm the only anti-social bugger who's going alone. Also, Jamie, I'll probably go to Maria McKee/David Gray at Dingwall's (September 16th) as you recommended. See you there? Finally - David - welcome to London, and you are cordially invited as well! Rob np: DJRD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:14:03 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) ok you BC fans...you have convinced me (THIS LIST IS RUNNING MY LIFE!!!!!!) i am now on my way to the video store to rent a title suggested by my pal roberto and now will stop by the music store to see if i can get this latest by mr. cockburn (what an unfortunate name! sounds like he should be in a PORNO movie!!!) and just last night i was at the music store to see if i could find mariana's suggestion. some artist whose name i cannot even remember now...somebody elliot. they did not have him anyway... when people start throwing that masterpiece word around, i sit up and take notice. and a "riveting" performance of strange waters??? guess i will have to get the live cd too. i will let you know.... love, ric (who clearly has money to BURN!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:14:04 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) ok you BC fans...you have convinced me (THIS LIST IS RUNNING MY LIFE!!!!!!) i am now on my way to the video store to rent a title suggested by my pal roberto and now will stop by the music store to see if i can get this latest by mr. cockburn (what an unfortunate name! sounds like he should be in a PORNO movie!!!) and just last night i was at the music store to see if i could find mariana's suggestion. some artist whose name i cannot even remember now...somebody elliot. they did not have him anyway... when people start throwing that masterpiece word around, i sit up and take notice. and a "riveting" performance of strange waters??? guess i will have to get the live cd too. i will let you know.... love, ric (who clearly has money to BURN!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:39:18 +0200 From: "Nixon" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #321 You should have got "The Dreaming". Never Forever is excellent, but The Dreaming is her magnum opus as far as I'm concerned, with Hounds of Love a close second. Red Shoes is a bummer, as is Sensual World before it (apart from the amazing title-track which is paradoxically her best song of all (again, IMHO). Kate amazed teh world with her first album The Kick Inside, and rightly so. Then she gave us a more thoughtful one, (Lionheart), which was superior to TKI but not as commercial. Never Forever was a more commercial and highly produced comeback album, but nice nevertheless. Then came The Dreaming. Very Dark , very weird, too weird for most, but terrific. Listen to it in the dark, it'll scare the pants off you. There's (for a 'young' british artist) an amazingly succinct song about the Vietnam War called Pull out the Pin. I'd be interested to know what American listeners with some Nam experience thought to it. Next came Hounds of Love. Really excellent stuff, and I prefer the 'slow side' of the 12 inch LP. For me the fast side had a new sound creeping in which spelled the death nell for my love of Kate Bush music. On Sensual World, this new sound was fully developed - a lot of gaelic fiddle and the Trio Bulgarka. I didn't like it, and apart from the title track single which I bought on twelve inch i love it so much, I only played the rest of thealbum three or four times. Red Shoes I didn't even buy, but two years after it's release I borrowed it from a record library and only played it once. it sounded to me like out-takes from Sensual World. Not even Prince could raise my enthusiasm. Unless Kate can come up with a new sound, as far as I'm concerned, it's all over for her. Toobad as I was a big fan. "The light that burns twice as brightly burns half as long." Tube ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:21:57 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: It's Official Hello All- It's now official and non-refundable. I am proud to be in that number in New England starting Sept 4. The USAIR flight is booked and I'm busy programming the VG-8 with songs tunings of songs for others that will be there. PLEASE PLACE YOUR REQUESTS TO ME PRIVATELY AND I WILL TRY TO GET AS MANY AS I CAN IN> Looking forward to meeting all my compatriots up there. Ashara reports that more and more of us seem to be signing up at the last minute. Come on you guys, let's see how many listers we can pile into a Volkswagan. Cheers, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:37:06 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Rolling thunder A recent post by Hassan : <> <> The book is "Bob Dylan starring in Rolling Thunder Logbook" by Sam Shepard.First published in 1977. Yes, it does come in hardcover and paperback, the former is relatively expensive but not extremely rare to find one of these versions. Sam and Joni are also in the movie "Renaldo and Clara." A strange movie in my opinion, only redeemed by some great Dylan performances and some Joni background piano tinkling in one scene. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:11:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL evolution Marsha-John's head is fine thankyou. The lump has gone. However, we have been away. Yet another near disaster. This time in Snowdonia. I'll post about that later! colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:13:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL evolution ps I forgot to say how much I enjoyed this post of yours. Excellent. Well said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:10:53 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) Rickie Lee wrote: <<>> It's pronounced CO-BURN. <<>> Elliott Smith. - --Michael NP: Lauryn Hill, _The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:15:05 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Shameless Self-Promotion Update NJC For all of you who were supportive of my earlier mentions of the success of "Image of an Assassination", the Zapruder film documentary I produced, I have some news. I mentioned in that post that I didn't have a piece of the profits--and the tape charted as high as number five on Billboard charts--and many of you responded with congratulations as well as condolences for not having a share of the $$. Well, today, I got a nice bonus for my work on it. And it has made me very happy. Thanks for your support and you'll be the first to know when my next tape--called Beaniemania!--hits the stores. First, Joni's Tiger then my Beanie Baby tape. The must-haves of the season! - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:28:51 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Bruce Cockburn (njc) despite rave reviews from sue and others, i haven't bought new cockburn in many years, that rocket-launcher song, i guess. but i deeply love the bruce i own. 'dancing in the dragon's jaw' is one of the most consistently brilliant albums i own, and humans is close behind. my one cockburn live, autumn 81 at the old waldorf in sf, is one of the best live performances i've ever seen. they were touring on 'inner city front' (which isn't perfect but contains my single favorite bc song, loner) and he had the band that had recorded the album. an electric violinist and a girl who played a wide range of winds exceedingly well. just a show where you thought, 'thank god these great musicians are here for me tonight' sue, i'm putting charity of night on the postit i keep on my credit card. other recommendations from the last 15 years of bruce? patrick np - indigo girls - rights of passage (cause i guess i'm gonna see them at that suffragette sessions concert next week.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:31:09 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell in Ireland hey mr. secret, you b.ounced: >On April 16 to 19th 1983 Joni Mitchell visited Ireland, the birthplace of her grandmother thanks for this. (les, did you add this to your 'today in j' database?) i don't think that kakki or i, the resident jmdl irish-americans, knew that joni was 1/4 irish, although she certainly has been hinting, talking about her irish ear, and recently with the lyric from 'lead balloon' from the upcoming album "Kiss my ass!" I said and I threw my drink Tequila trickling Down his business suit Must be the Irish blood Fight before you think and in the gorge show, she got really irked when an aud called her an anglophile; she was telling her story about the genesis of the song 'the magdalene laundries'. 'i am so not an anglophile' later in the tour, she was doing an impressive irish accent, talking about a young irish girl saying 'y'got no right, to sing about that'. patrick, considering another designation (ijc) irish joni content... np - laura nyro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:09:34 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: this list (vljc) was 'no subject' steve, this is hard. i will say first, the old story. if you want joni content, post about joni. tell us about a song you love and why. give us a moment when joni made a difference. i think nearly every one of us here has done that, and i've loved every story i've heard; i think we all have. start a thread. that means a long, sometimes very wandering internet discussion, and as you watch threads play out on this list, it'll be an eye-opener. kenny's advice would help if you weren't on digest. you might consider switching to individual messages and seeing if you can sort the (njc) so you don't read it. i don't think digest will ever be worth the trouble, and it's really our fault, listers. for example, both davina and claud, responding to marsha's excellent post, included the COMPLETE original message. if i were on digest, i would be screaming after scrolling through the thing for the third time. no offense, folks, i'm sure i've done the same thing. so we do have to be more careful, and the constant reminders about correct labelling can never be too constant. but steve, please understand. the list is two years old. many of us have been on it a long time (i just passed my 1-year mark). it has been my first internet community, many of ours, i think. a very new, very strange way to connect with people, and we've been loving it. we've made friends, gathered in lister's homes for all night singalongs, connected before and after concerts in la and bethel. at some point, making new friends, you want to know more about them than where they were when hejira came out. we've learned about each other's lives, and we're grateful for updates. and a lot of that conversation happens on this list. colin posted about the haagen-daaz incident because he knew we would want to know. but we did all start with joni, and it's pretty damn easy to send us back that way. whaddyawanna talk about, steve? ya got yer guitar geeks, yer lyrics geeks, every stripe of joniphile, waiting to hear about steve and what joni means to you. much joni (thanks jj) patrick np - a tape of laura nyro, sent to me by a jmdler soon after julie's april fest. i'd sent her some fine rickie lee. my connection with jmdlers has been a connection with people who love music, bless them. - -----Original Message----- From: Bounced Message [SMTP:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:48 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: From: stevephoto@mindspring.com Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:32:15 -0700 to all of my fellow jmdlers please clue me in. I am new to the jmdl experience and the entire www / internet I joined because I am a lifelong fan and I had hoped to read relevent things about joni Instead I am reading about a haagen daas accident or other seemingly irrelevent things. I have found that only a small portion of any given jmdl digest has anything to do with joni is this a "stoner" thing? am I missing the boat? I do not mean to "upset the apple cart " please explain np Dar Williams "end of the summer" cd what a great cd! signed ,confused steve julty, stevephoto@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:38:15 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Elliott Smith (NJC) no i haven't got a fax machine. guitar player magazine? I'll def. check it out, thanks! there's also a great article on him in rolling stone with a picture. i cut out the picture and put it on my wall next to sarah and above joni. do get XO, it's a little bit of a leap from elliott's older stuff, but one that everyone should try to make. - -mariana (prepping for a suprise party tonight in hollywood with the chorus line crew) ps: i'm seriously considering getting my hair cut short...i'm sick of the long stuff. my sarah mclachlan phase i guess. remember when she got her hair cut after fumbling? she looks great. happier. i want to be like that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:46:13 EDT From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Joni Mitchell in Ireland In a message dated 8/27/98 4:37:43 PM, trxschwa@bway.net wrote: >i don't think that kakki or i, the resident jmdl irish-americans, knew that >joni was 1/4 irish, although she certainly has been hinting, talking about >her irish ear, and recently with the lyric from 'lead balloon' from the >upcoming album hey how about me. i'm irish american too. mcconnell, see? but with a first name like mariana you'd never know. some people think i'm foreign, whatever planet they're from! mariana NP: NOTHING (cause I felt....) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:16:28 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) that lousy music store i frequent (only because it is close by) did not have bruce CO-burn (i sure wish i read that pronunciation post(s) before i went there!!!) they did not have the alleged "masterpiece" charity of the night but i did get the live cd and hey! this guy is good! as in really really very good. so how about that list! you come through again! this is fun. i like getting some informed information once in awhile. looking forward to meeting many of you at the jonifest! (here's hoping anyone just thinking about it decides to take the plunge!) by that time i should be postively fluent on the CO-burn topic... peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:45:57 -0700 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: this list was 'no subject' (njc) Patrick Wrote> for example, both davina and claud, responding to marsha's excellent post, included the COMPLETE original message. if i were on digest, i would be screaming after scrolling through the thing for the third time. no offense, folks, i'm sure i've done the same thing. No offense taken Patrick, however you did do the same thing in your post. I got the whole shebang all over again. If you click reply to without deleting the entire aforementioned thread, it will show up to haunt you.... However, in my defense I did post NJC as a consideration to the digesters....heheh. I'm not perfect, but I try. Davina np: Robert Lamm....Saturday in the Park..... - -----Original Message----- From: trxschwa To: joni@smoe.org ; 'stevephoto@mindspring.com' Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 4:40 PM Subject: this list (vljc) was 'no subject' >steve, > >this is hard. i will say first, the old story. if you want joni content, >post about joni. tell us about a song you love and why. give us a moment >when joni made a difference. i think nearly every one of us here has done >that, and i've loved every story i've heard; i think we all have. > >start a thread. that means a long, sometimes very wandering internet >discussion, and as you watch threads play out on this list, it'll be an >eye-opener. > >kenny's advice would help if you weren't on digest. you might consider >switching to individual messages and seeing if you can sort the (njc) so >you don't read it. i don't think digest will ever be worth the trouble, >and it's really our fault, listers. for example, both davina and claud, >responding to marsha's excellent post, included the COMPLETE original >message. if i were on digest, i would be screaming after scrolling through >the thing for the third time. no offense, folks, i'm sure i've done the >same thing. so we do have to be more careful, and the constant reminders >about correct labelling can never be too constant. > >but steve, please understand. the list is two years old. many of us have >been on it a long time (i just passed my 1-year mark). it has been my >first internet community, many of ours, i think. a very new, very strange >way to connect with people, and we've been loving it. we've made friends, >gathered in lister's homes for all night singalongs, connected before and >after concerts in la and bethel. > >at some point, making new friends, you want to know more about them than >where they were when hejira came out. we've learned about each other's >lives, and we're grateful for updates. and a lot of that conversation >happens on this list. colin posted about the haagen-daaz incident because >he knew we would want to know. > >but we did all start with joni, and it's pretty damn easy to send us back >that way. whaddyawanna talk about, steve? ya got yer guitar geeks, yer >lyrics geeks, every stripe of joniphile, waiting to hear about steve and >what joni means to you. > >much joni (thanks jj) >patrick > >np - a tape of laura nyro, sent to me by a jmdler soon after julie's april >fest. i'd sent her some fine rickie lee. my connection with jmdlers has >been a connection with people who love music, bless them. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bounced Message [SMTP:les@jmdl.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:48 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: > >From: stevephoto@mindspring.com >Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:32:15 -0700 > >to all of my fellow jmdlers >please clue me in. I am new to the jmdl experience and the entire www / >internet > >I joined because I am a lifelong fan and I had hoped to read relevent >things >about joni >Instead I am reading about a haagen daas accident or other seemingly >irrelevent things. > >I have found that only a small portion of any given jmdl digest has >anything >to do with joni > >is this a "stoner" thing? am I missing the boat? > >I do not mean to "upset the apple cart " please explain > >np Dar Williams "end of the summer" cd what a great cd! > >signed ,confused >steve julty, stevephoto@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:47:20 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: That autobiography I no longer have the original post, but I remember the notice of the potential upcoming JM autobiography mentioned that among other topics she would be discussing her affairs in the '70s. Excuse me?! That sounds like the last thing Joni would waste her time discussing in a book. It sounds very suspect to me... - --Michael NP: R.E.M., _Reckoning_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:58:11 EDT From: Denisongs@aol.com Subject: Re: this list was 'no subject' (njc) In a message dated 98-08-27 20:53:27 EDT, you write: << If you click reply to without deleting the entire aforementioned thread, it will show up to haunt you... >> Teach me please. I am still learning about email. I thought you had to highlight the text for it to show up in your response. I didn't think it would show up at all otherwise. ..........Denise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:14:02 -0700 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: Cockburn's Magnetic Strip I'd been surprised that Bruce's name, except for Susan M., hadn't been mentioned that often. Pleasant surprise to find so many posts about him today. He has so many recordings out, that it will take me some time to get them all, but one of my real faves has been World of Wonders with the song They Call It a Democracy, altho I was first attracted by his Rocket Launcher song off of Stealing the Fire, I believe. I just did a new search for him, and there have been many new additions. One url: www.kingsfield.com/cockburn/ seems to have a lot of good stuff. Seems like the last time I did a search the only thing I came up with was a European web page. On his most recent cd Charities of Night, I really love Pacing the Cage, with a most unique and jazzlike bass solo toward the end. I love the theme of how we are all taken in by the materialistic nature of the world, "my magnetic strip's worn thin." Thanks to Charstarl et al for restoring my faith in this list. Sometimes it feels like many people think there is no great music aside from Joni. alan in ames, who thinks that Joni and Bruce would be electric together, and would make a great collaborative song writing team ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:19:54 -0400 From: "Claud SansSoucie" Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) "Nothing but a Burning Light" and "Dart to the Heart" are two other excellent albums! No I'm not Sue but Claud Let me know what you think Claud - -----Original Message----- From: trxschwa >>sue, i'm putting charity of night on the postit i keep on my credit card. > other recommendations from the last 15 years of bruce? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:47:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Inside Joni List joke *NJC* Ashara wants 430 replies. This looks like a job for Steve Dulson's computer. Will ya do it Steve? - --------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================== OK, I'll bite! I am officially asking for the entire JMDL to come to MA for the Labor Day party on September 5th. OK.....waiting for 430 replys....... Hugs, Ashara - --------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================== - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:06:36 -0400 From: Roger Walker Subject: NJC: Richie Havens covering "On the Turning Away" Greetings JMDL'ers! I was talking to a friend about the non-Joni performances and was asked what I enjoyed the most. Easy, I said. It was Richie Havens doing Pink Floyd's "On The Turning Away". As many times as I've heard this... I never really listened to the lyrics. I've pasted them here for you. It was powerful... On the turning away From the pale and downtrodden And the words they say Which we won't understand "Don't accept that what's happening Is just a case of others' suffering Or you'll find that you're joining in The turning away" It's a sin that somehow Light is changing to shadow And casting it's shroud Over all we have known Unaware how the ranks have grown Driven on by a heart of stone We could find that we're all alone In the dream of the proud On the wings of the night As the daytime is stirring Where the speechless unite In a silent accord Using words you will find are strange And mesmerised as they light the flame Feel the new wind of change On the wings of the night No more turning away From the weak and the weary No more turning away From the coldness inside Just a world that we all must share It's not enough just to stand and stare Is it only a dream that there'll be No more turning away? On The Turning Away (Gilmour/Moore) A Momentary Lapse of Reason Pink Floyd - -- rog Creativity IS Contagious! http://www.ohomxiv.org http://www.florida-condo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:07:34 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: All I Want covers (LJC) Reuben Bell3 wrote: > > Tim Curry (of "Rocky Horror Picture Show" and "Clue:The Movie" -two of my personal faves- fame) covered "All I Want" and "Carey" on one of his solo albums in the early 80's. Didn't do much for me, but interesting, nonetheless. I seem to remember a Tim Curry album with 'Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire' on it. A friend had it but I don't remember what it sounded like. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:28:44 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Instrumentals I want to hear an extended version of "Speechless". I want a long version of "Taming the Tiger" with the repeats at the end dragged out! In my head I hear it repeating and repeating but in reality it's quite brief. If you haven't heard these songs, email me privately and I'll make some tapes for you. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:23:45 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Joni PR Question Julie Z. Webb wrote: > > > > Another thought I had while checking out all of the posts mentioning Joni > > on other discussion lists - is that there are a lot of Joni fans on-line > > who may not know about the Joni Internet community. I don't know if it would be beneficial to the Home Page but in the booklet that comes in the 'Jefferson Airplane Live at the Fillmore East' cd there is a plug for their discussion list. It's listed as Cyber info & reads 'Computer owners with Internet access can correspond with other Jefferson Airplane fans on a daily basis by subscribing to 2400 Fulton Street, the Jefferson Airplane Internet mailing list.' It then gives instructions on how to do this. I think it would be great if the JMDL could get a plug like that on TTT. Couldn't hurt Joni, either. Spreading the word to the faithful & looking for coverts and all that! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:35:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Name That Lister! Who are the JMDL listers in the photo at "A Day In The Garden"? - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:23:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Ireland Phillip and Patrick wrote: > >On April 16 to 19th 1983 Joni Mitchell visited Ireland, the birthplace of > her grandmother > > thanks for this. (les, did you add this to your 'today in j' database?) Yes, I really liked reading this! Joni has in past interviews said she is part Norwegian, Scottish, Native American, French etc., but I've never before seen such an outright admission about the Irish part. My 85 year old Irish papa is a big Joni fan (yes this is wonderfully true!) and he has always insisted to me that she *has* to be a whole lot Irish because of her brilliant command of the language (which he proudly claims as the best trait of the Irish). And yes, the lyrics below are also quite telling ;-) > "Kiss my ass!" I said > and I threw my drink > Tequila trickling > Down his business suit > Must be the Irish blood > Fight before you think Kakki Bridget ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:45:12 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni Harmony Lately I've been concentrating more on Joni's harmonies on her songs (Carey, Woodstock) and realized just how amazing they are. I recall in an interview how she talked about singing in the church choir as a girl, but don't remember if that's where she learned to harmonize so well. So I was wondering what songs my pals here like best when they hear a Joni choir going. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:48:42 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) In a message dated 8/27/98 8:18:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << so how about that list! you come through again! >> I still want to kiss the feet of the jmdler who wailed at me to go get Jonatha Brooke. I can't believe this woman isn't more well known. If any Michigander hears of her coming to town, paleez let me know. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:55:02 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: this list was 'no subject' (njc) In a message dated 8/27/98 9:03:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Denisongs@aol.com writes: << If you click reply to without deleting the entire aforementioned thread, it will show up to haunt you... >> Teach me please. I am still learning about email. I thought you had to highlight the text for it to show up in your response. I didn't think it would show up at all otherwise. ..... >> Denise, I see you're on AOL. That means you DO highlight the text you want to copy to the list. You're right! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:57:30 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Joni Gold CDs/Special Ed. on Tower ??? LRFye@aol.com wrote: I think the golf WTRF produces a much better sound than > a standard CD -- and the gold CD is beautiful to behold. It's packaged in a > special "pop-up" jewel case, as well: when you open the case, the CD raises > at an angle for easy removal. I picked this up at Silver Platters awhile back for some ridiculously cheap price like 9 or 10 bucks. I'm embarassed to say that I don't think I've ever played it so I don't really know if the sound is better than the standard issue cd. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:58:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Harmony Terry wrote: > Lately I've been concentrating more on Joni's harmonies on her songs (Carey, > Woodstock) and realized just how amazing they are. I recall in an interview > how she talked about singing in the church choir as a girl, but don't remember > if that's where she learned to harmonize so well. > > So I was wondering what songs my pals here like best when they hear a Joni > choir going. It just could be she learned it from being in the choir. I was in one choir or another half my life but as a "second sorpano" was always relegated to singing harmony. It gets to where you hear the harmony more than the melody in a song after awhile. My favorite Joni harmonizing of all is on the song "Long Ago And Far Away" with James Taylor. She is a master of harmony along with everything else, and it's always seemed to me that her melodies sound actually more like harmonies when you hear them (all that alternative tuning, no doubt). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:08:50 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Bruce Cockburn (NJC) FWIW, chock me up as a Bruce Cockburn fan, although I only have 1 album "Charity of Night", I've heard about 4 others from the library, and I remember when he first made waves with "Wondering Where the Lions Are" a while ago. "Charity of Night" is instantly enjoyable, with great guitar work, Gary Burton on vibes, Rob Wasserman on bass, and a host of other great players and songs. One of my regrets for '98 (along with not going to the Pittsburgh Jonifest, The Garden, and Labor Day Jonifest) is missing Bruce when he played at a small intimate club walking distance from my house! (New Year's resolution for '99 - make memories, not regrets). Anyway, I don't know one reason why anyone wouldn't think this album is stupendous. Bill Dollinger, I thought your "Partridge Family" list was a total riot - I wish now I would've responded. I even would have made the correct guess! I felt sad when you called it a lead balloon! I think a lot of people on this list appreciate in silence, and that's OK...Chilihead, do you need 1 more person to tell you they loved your piece on the Garden show? OK, I did! Really a cool perspective. I thought I was the only person who picks up hitchhikers. Bob M. in SC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:27:24 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Thanks for the memories - the Gorge revisited Thanks to Don Fluke who must have hopped right on spinning my copies of Tape Tree 7 after getting back to Florida from the the Garden I received said tape tree yesterday. This morning I plugged the tape of the Gorge concert into the tape deck of my car. I had the strangest reaction. Tears and then outright sobs. I felt like I had received the most wonderful gift. Let me try & explain. When I saw Joni at the Gorge it was the first time I had ever seen her live. I had waited for that concert for about 24 years. I was so keyed up by the time she hit the stage that I think I was in some kind of altered state (without benefit of any kind of chemicals). Then there were people talking all around us almost all the way through the set. I had to concentrate really hard to block them out so they wouldn't ruin the experience for me. As a result of the stress this created or for whatever reason I seemed to have formed a mental block as to what the concert actually sounded like. The pictures were clear in my mind's eye but I couldn't HEAR the music in my memory. Well this morning when I heard the first chords of 'Night Ride Home' it all came rushing back. The tears started to form in my eyes and then I literally started sobbing. And after awhile I was saying out loud to no one but myself 'I was THERE!' This tape gave me back the experience and now I can have it whenever I want. Thank you to Wally & Les and Don Fluke and most of all a HUGE thank you & hug to Simon. The tape trees I have are all wonderful but this one is so special to me. It's an incredible gift and in a way I guess it's from all of you on the JMDL because without you there would be no JMDL and no tape trees. Being a part of this community is an incredibly rewarding experience. Thank you all, from the bottom of my heart. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:37:55 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni Harmony TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > So I was wondering what songs my pals here like best when they hear a Joni > choir going. Car on a Hill...and the /ii\ "Climbing, climbing, climbing the hi- -ll..." Marsha, waitin' for a car ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:49:39 -0500 From: Jeff Klepper Subject: Tape Tree 7 We would like to thank everyone who had a hand in bringing the recent tape tree to the group and making it possible to hear such wonderful music again and again. We appreciate your considerable efforts! Jeff and Deeana Klepper ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:53:16 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Joni Harmony On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > So I was wondering what songs my pals here like best when they hear a Joni > choir going. How about "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" the Joni swoon-choir are at their best in that one. I have a funny button on my stereo-system called something along the lines of "karaoke"...which really only cuts out some of the sound, maybe one track or something, anyway, on some songs when I press this, Joni No.1 quietens right down, an out comes the Joni-choir..through this i have been able to hear stuff you just don't notice normally; all sorts of little yodels in the background. Along these lines, has anyone noticed in "The Gallery" the sound of Joni's fingernails picking the strings? It's quite quiet, and only one finger, but it clicks away on and off right through the song. LISTEN CAREFULLY! Has anyone else got any other little background noises? Such as the barking dog in BobDylan's Bootleg "Every grain of sand". helen. click click click ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:02:28 -0400 (EDT) From: some millers Subject: re:(SJC) Van Gogh in DC >Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:33:05 -0400 >From: Michael Yarbrough >Subject: (SJC) Van Gogh in DC >Since Van Gogh has been an inspiration to Joni's painting, and on at >least one occasion, her music, I've decided to put together a JMDL Field >Trip to the Van Gogh exhibit in DC. I've chosen Saturday, November 7 >as the date. As it's right after election day, DC will probably be as >un-busy as it can get right then and it will be a nice time to visit. Michael- You've chosen well indeed -- as it's also JM's birthday!! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:16:25 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: (SJC) Van Gogh in DC Paul Miller(s?) wrote: <<>> Well, then, it's settled! What better way to celebrate Joni's birthday than admiring some Van Goghs? So for what are you waiting? (HA!) - --Michael NP: Bob Dylan, "Lovesick" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:26:58 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: (SJC) Van Gogh in DC Michael Yarbrough wrote: > > Well, then, it's settled! What better way to celebrate Joni's > birthday than admiring some Van Goghs? So for what are > you waiting? (HA!) A Joni show in another city that night? ;-) Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:43:42 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: 9/17/98 Rolling Stone Well looky there! The FIRST album mentioned in the Fall Album Preview! Is it R.E.M.? Nope. Beck? Nope. PJ Harvey? Uh-uh. It must be Alanis Morrissette. Wrong again. Oh yeah--Mariah Carey. No way. The very first album mentioned in Rolling Stone's Fall Album Preview is none other than Joni Mitchell's _Taming the Tiger_. Under the headline "New albums by Alanis, Joni, D'Angelo and Beck Spark a Strong Lineup" appears the following: "Fresh from a return to live performance, Mitchell releases her first studio album in four years. More pop than jazz-influenced [?], _Tiger_ recalls at times 1974's classic _Court and Spark_, and features bassist (and Mitchell ex-husband Larry Klein and saxophonist Wayne Shorter [as opposed to, like, her last umpteen albums]." Needless to say, the [bracket] commentary is my own. If the music biz is anything like politics, then I can tell you from firsthand experience that this kind of thing doesn't happen accidentally. There's some major press-flaking going on here. Thank Goddess! - --Michael NP: "Black Crow" P.S. It's on p. 25. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:28:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: [Fwd: Abbreviations] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------43755E904A2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** - --------------43755E904A2F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail2.one.net for jlamadoo (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Fri Aug 28 01:19:38 1998) X-From_: jlamadoo@one.net Fri Aug 28 00:34:42 1998 Received: from port-48-39.access.one.net ([206.112.203.91] HELO aptiva ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 3076]) by mail2.one.net with SMTP id <44556-28717>; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:34:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35E6354D.7EB3@one.net> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:42:53 -0400 From: Jim L'Hommedieu Reply-To: jlamadoo@one.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jlamadoo@one.net Subject: Abbreviations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL I'm laughing out loud! ROTF I'm rolling on the floor with laughter! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** - --------------43755E904A2F-- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #324 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?