From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest)
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JMDL Digest Thursday, August 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 312
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Joni featured in Guitarist magazine [Howard Wright ]
NJC Bad/boring/ writing [catman ]
Don Juan for the First Time [Skin Deep ]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #309 [rkbjf ]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #309 [rkbjf ]
Re: Taming the tiger [Jerry Notaro ]
Joni On CNN Saturday 12am [Michael Paz ]
NJC Re: Taming the tiger [Heather ]
Joni Article in NY Daily News 8/13 [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
WFUV [JAN201@aol.com]
joni [Linda Worster ]
First Time DJRDers ["Don Rowe" ]
My Birthday NJC, well, apart from the end! [Hassan Zubairi ]
no generation gap [Kaye.Conant@ipaper.com]
JMDLers at The Garden [sherrie.good@chronicle.com]
Garden fest evokes Woodstock days (LJC) ["James A. Murray" ]
could be sexual....but.... [Bounced Message ]
Today in Joni History - August 21 [Today in Joni History ]
Re: Joni Article in NY Daily News 8/13 [Scott Price ]
Re: Today in Joni History - August 21 ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ]
Re: NJC/take 'em to the beach [FredNow@aol.com]
Re: Waggin the Dog (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Waggin the Dog (NJC) [catman ]
Re: yet another voice on the prez.... [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com]
Silky Veils (was Re: yet another voice on the prez....) [Bolvangar@aol.co]
Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC) [catman
Subject: Joni featured in Guitarist magazine
Just saw this in a local newsagent. Guitarist magazine has a "Girls and
Guitars" feature. It selected a top 10, and guess who was at no. 1 ?
Yep, our lady of duality. It's just a one-column feature for Joni, but not
a bad one (apart from the slip up about Joni playing "piano, guitar and
zither" on the Blue album!).
It closes by selecting three of her albums (it rightly says that, for
someone who has covered a lot of musical ground, it's impossible to choose
any one "representative" album).
It went for Blue, Court and Spark and Hejira - not bad choices I would
say, as all three are often cited as Joni fans' favourites.
Howard
P.S I heard that there was also a small "Joni at the garden" feature in
the LA Times - I was wondering if someone could post it to the list? ;-)
*******************************************************
Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk
Formula music, girly guile
Genuine junk food for juveniles
Up and down the dial
Mercenary style
- Joni Mitchell
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:37:27 +0100
From: catman
Subject: NJC Bad/boring/ writing
Isn't it just so sad that that those who always write intelligent,
interesting 'can't wait to read' posts have to put up with the rest of
us writng badly and boringly.
Such a shame. Still, the lowly will always be with us.
- --
CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html
TANTRAS/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:46:23 -0700
From: Skin Deep
Subject: Don Juan for the First Time
What a treat to have just found this jewel.
The ending instrumental is some of the finest
jazz I have ever heard, Ms Mitchell, Jaco
and Wayne.
Waltzenfree
np. Guinnevrre - Miles Davis, Wayne Shorter,
Chick Corea, Joe Zawinul, Ron Carter.....joni@sm
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:21:29 -0500
From: rkbjf
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #309
David wrote
> Golly, Brad, it's nice to know that there is a/one factually and historically
> LIGHTEN
> correct answer -- yours -- for every question of personal taste in popular
> music. For instance, until I read your JMDL gallery entry, I never knew how
> sadly, sadly
> UP!
> wrong my mere *opinions* as to the best songwriters of the rock era were. Now
> I know better!
>
> - --David....making "reading between the lines" of my posts a little bit easier!
> ;)
>
Your welcome. I'm always willing to help out where I can! ;-)
Brad
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:21:29 -0500
From: rkbjf
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #309
David wrote
> Golly, Brad, it's nice to know that there is a/one factually and historically
> LIGHTEN
> correct answer -- yours -- for every question of personal taste in popular
> music. For instance, until I read your JMDL gallery entry, I never knew how
> sadly, sadly
> UP!
> wrong my mere *opinions* as to the best songwriters of the rock era were. Now
> I know better!
>
> - --David....making "reading between the lines" of my posts a little bit easier!
> ;)
>
Your welcome. I'm always willing to help out where I can! ;-)
Brad
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:21:38 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Taming the tiger
How about "spanking the monkey?"
Jerry
np: Lucinda - Riugh Trade
BTW, Brian Blades cd is the #1 jazz album in Great Britain!
FredNow@aol.com wrote:
> >>One I hear of often is "disciplining the monkey" or "training the
> >>puppy". I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is what she is
> >>referring to.
>
> Hey ... wait a minute ... these are sexual euphemisms, no? "Disciplining the
> monkey"? "Training the puppy"? "Taming the tiger"? Now I get it!
>
> -Fred
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:39:49 -0500
From: Michael Paz
Subject: Joni On CNN Saturday 12am
FYI
12:00 am
CNN
World Beat
segments featuring Woodstock, Pete
Townshend, Joni Mitchell, Massive
Attack and Don Henley
Best wishes,
Michael
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:44:38 -0400
From: Heather
Subject: NJC Re: Taming the tiger
At 09:21 AM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>How about "spanking the monkey?"
>
I've also heard of "polishing the carrot" and "punching the clown"
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 13:46:38 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Joni Article in NY Daily News 8/13
Hi,
While checking out the NY Daily News On-Line for the "Man At The Window"
reference, I found this article. Don't recall seeing it on the list so I'm
forwarding it. Aside for some record sales stats, there isn't much "new"
information. There are a couple of quotes from Wally, and Bill Flanagan (who
did the Vanity Fair interview of 5/97).
It was written by "The Man At The Window" himself, staff writer Jim Farber :-)
It's also available (with a pic) at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/1998-08-13/New_York_Now/Music/a-2258.asp
-Kenny
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From: New York Now | Music |
Thursday, August 13, 1998
1998 NY Daily News
A JoniComeLately
To Woodstock
by Jim Farber
She penned the anthem for the golden
children of Woodstock, idealizing the
spot as the new hippy garden of Eden.
But Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young had the
hit with the song "Woodstock," and Joni
Mitchell never actually set foot in the place.
Her manager kept her in Manhattan that weekend so she
wouldn't get caught in traffic and miss the chance to appear
on"The Dick Cavett Show."
This Saturday, Aug. 15, Mitchell finally plays "the garden," 29
years after the fact. The day also marks the first official concert
by the legend in the New York area in 15 years since she
headlined Jones Beach for the "Wild Things Run Fast" tour.
Mitchell's disappearance from the concert scene mirrored a
downsizing in her album sales and a lowering of her critical
standing through the '80s and early '90s.
But things have begun to turn around lately at least in terms
of the singer's media profile and critical regard.
'Indigo' Woman
Mitchell's last album, 1994's "Turbulent Indigo," received the
most glowing reviews since her '70s commercial heyday and
snared her two Grammys (including Best Pop Album).
Spurred by the LP's beauty and bite, Billboard gave her a
Century Award for distinguished creative achievement.
At the same time, the emerging wave of female artists from
Sarah McLachlan to Jewel to Alanis Morissette offered
hosannas to her in interviews.
"She's always been in front of the culture at
any given time," explains Bill Flanagan of
VH1. "Culturally, we've finally caught up
with her again."
Still, Mitchell's commercial performance
remains underwhelming. Even with the
hoopla, "Turbulent Indigo" didn't sell much
more than its lowerprofile predecessor. It
moved 276,000 copies, compared with
223,000 for 1991's "Night Ride Home."
"It's a shame that the Grammy wins didn't do for her what they
did for Bonnie Raitt," says Wally Breeze, who runs the most
authoritative Web site on the star (www.jonimitchell.com).
The fact that Mitchell hasn't played live in so long hasn't
helped. According to the star, lingering physical problems
from childhood polio have made it difficult for her to sustain
her energy on tour.
Yet in May, Mitchell tested the waters for a "comeback" by
playing full 75minute sets on seven dates down the West
Coast with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison.
And she'll follow the Woodstock date with an album, "Taming
the Tiger," out Sept. 29, to be promoted by a recently taped
TV concert special, featuring material from throughout her
career.
Sympathetic observers hope this time the public will finally
fall back in synch with her. "People forget," Flanagan
explains, "that even albums everyone loves now, like [1976's]
Hejira' or [1975's] 'Hissing Of Summer Lawns' flipped
people out at the time."
A Hiss From Rolling Stone
Rolling Stone called "Hissing" the worst album of the year.
Later, it became recognized as the album that brought African
rhythms to pop, way before Peter Gabriel or Sting's similar
forays. Things got worse for Mitchell when she released the
jazz album "Mingus" in 1979. "She lost her airplay from that,"
says Breese.
Mitchell complained that her '80s work wasn't adequately
promoted. But observers opine that she has paid a price for
holding to her high standards. "She's not interested in pop
trends, [and] she doesn't want to repeat past successes," says
Flanagan. "That's why you couldn't take one song from any of
her albums and put it on any other album by her."
For how many other artists does that hold?
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:45:23 EDT
From: JAN201@aol.com
Subject: WFUV
I've just got to brag a little about my radio station, WFUV , 90.7 out of
Fordham University in the Bronx. Yesterday not only did they play Havana in
Harlem (which I'd never heard before and loved), but then they turned around
and played more Joni an hour later! This is what radio was meant to be! If any
of you NYC area listers haven't tried this station, do yourselves a favor and
tune in! And become a member! In October there will be a day featuring Joni as
Music Master #2 (Dylan was voted #1) as voted on by listeners. I'm grateful
every day for this station!
Big love-
Jan
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:15:26 -0400
From: Linda Worster
Subject: joni
I love your joni story about DJRD. Paprika Plains has been one of my MANY
favorite joni songs for many years now. I have been an ardent joni fan
since I first heard her in 1969. In college, just starting to be a
folksinger... she became my queen. She lost me for a little while when she
got jazzy. It took me a lot of listens until I GOT IT!!!! "Shadows and
Light" album was what did it. I understood. Since then....she can do no
wrong in her songs. I think she is the best songwriter on the planet.
I have much more to say, but I too am very busy. I've not had time myself
to even read the digest more than bits. Glad I read yours. Thanks.
Khethiwe
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:47:35 PDT
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: First Time DJRDers
I must confess that I'm extremely jealous of all you folks hooking into
DJRD for the first time. My own experience was one of wonderment,
confusion, exasperation and epiphany. Harmoniccally dense, lyrically
oblique, I think it often her greatest artistic effort. Of course, now
that you are beginning to appreciate it, the real test awaits. That
being, convincing others how fantastic DJRD really is. If you can do
that, only then are you a true Joni Jedi! :-)
Don Rowe
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:58:14 +-100
From: Hassan Zubairi
Subject: My Birthday NJC, well, apart from the end!
Hello Volks
JamieJake back after celebrating his 26th Bidet party. Had a massive night, well, kind of. Started off at a Japanese noodle house with my ex-girlfriend and a friend from my days of Youth Theatre. Then, joined up with my flatmates at The Yard and the to a club called Escape in the heart of Soho (that's Soho London, not NY).
An evening of intrepretive dance ensued, with Anne and me trying to be creative with thumping techno, which I hate!!!! (we have plans to take an evening of interpretive dance to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival next year, a recital of cod George Michael and Aretha Franklin, Dionne Warwick/Lionel Richie and any other cheesesque duets, sung like hardup lounge singers).
After much consumption of wine, gin, lager we returned to the house in a state.
This morning,
ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm never going to drink to excess again.
And I haven't said that since the last time.
Well, I considered putting on Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk by Jeff Buckley (a present from my brother) but after Everybody Here Wants You, I couldn't listen anymore as it was breaking my heart. Like the scene from After Hours, I put on some JM (Court and Spark - 24kt gold version, the one with the embossed cover) and I'm recuperating gently.
Still listening to it at work.
On my way to work I walk past this newsstand, the newsstand where the cover of Mojo caught my eye with JM on it, and there on the rack is Billboard, the only words that weren't obscured by the other papers were 'releases 'Tiger' on Reprise'. And I had to stop and pick it up. And sure enough it was my beloved Joni giving me a pill. Then I looked at the price: Ģ4.85. And I thought long and hard. Really long and hard. I had spent so much money last night, I couldn't. So on my back home I will stop and look at page 8. A warm pic of JM holding up a tree(?).
A medicinal breakfast of two eggs (fried), french fries (chips, if you please) and baked beans with two slices of bread to mop up. It sounds disgusting, but this is kinda standard brickie breakfast. (brickie=bricklayer or any other construction worker). Also a hangover remedy, I'm told.
Got paid as well, so not buying Billboard will be tough.
Anyway I'm rambling cuz I'm well hung over. And I will stop.
Now.
Much Joni
JamieJake
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:41:09 -0700
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: yet another voice on the prez....
Paul I. brought forth this point:
" If the president is doing his job and doing it well, by most
accounts,should we really care with whom and how he is getting his
sexual release aslong as it does not compromise national security?"
==
To extent Paul is correct, but it's one of those vague things where it
matters, yet it doesn't matter.
I think that the question of how he gets his sexual release can have
bearing on his job. What wouldn't matter would be if he was gay or liked
it while getting little lima beans poked up his butt or insisted on doing it
with Socks. What wouldn't matter would be if he was boffing someone
his own age or status level or close to it.
What does matter is that he picked some young girl. An intern for crying
out loud! Someone that, in spite of her bodacious curves and pouty lips,
is just a KID! A 25 year old KID.
That's a horrible abuse of his power. It's incredibly poor judgement on his
part. And judgement is judgement. Something that is bound to have an
impact on national security and anything else that we elected him to do.
MG
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 15:59:59 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: TI Tidbit
Hi all,
I was surfing the net for info/reviews on the Garden concert, and found this
little tidbit -- that I'd never read before -- in an article by Todd Denton
from 6/95. It was written based on a Q&A session that Joni had on AOL on
1/26/95 following her performance at the Gene Autry Museum/Wells Fargo Theater.
It's probably on both Les' and Wally's sites, I just never noticed it. Anyway,
thought I'd share the info. For those already familiar with this, sorry for
the bandwith!
The full URL where this excerpt comes from is at:
http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/2341420903626183_105_238^S&NEWS_ITEM=1&TEMPL
ATE_PATH=/mb2/live/main}
-Kenny
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Five of Mitchell's paintings--three landscapes, one portrait and one
self-portrait (modeled after Van Gogh's)--are featured in the booklet
accompanying her latest release [Turbulent Indigo]. She studied with local
painters in her native Canada from age nine to 14, then attended the Alberta
College of Art. The album's title cut is an ode to developers of an art program
in the Saskatoon public schools, at whose conference, titled We're Going To
Make Van Goghs, she recently spoke. The song scoffs at their oversight of the
tremendous turmoil and mental derangement that inspired Van Gogh's work: "What
do you know about living in turbulent indigo?"
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Medric Faulkner
Subject: DJRD
It came out when I was a senior in college after I had discovered her
with Hejira. I wore out three album packages and one cassette before
it was mastered onto CD. I saw her do an amazing live version of
Cotton Avenue on her '83 tour at LSU that was the high point of the
concert for me. Glad to see others discovering how wonderful it is.
Medric Faulkner
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:06:57 -0500
From: Kaye.Conant@ipaper.com
Subject: no generation gap
>My 22 year old Goddaughter attended this performance and the one at
>jazzfest in '95 completely unfamiliar with her work. I am encouraged
>that at young person such as she can become a fan when she has only
>been exposed to what popular radio is. Our entire conversation on the
>five hour flight home centered on emotions evoked by individual
>songs. Her love for the deeply sad Magdalene Launderies lets me know
>that there is hope for the world with her generation.
I am 21 years old and have been absolutely in love with Joni for three
years. I flew all the way from Wisconsin just to see her perform at
the Garden (which is quite an investment for a college student). It
can be frustrating at times to try to understand why so many of my
friends are caught in a music rut brought upon by pop's demand. And I
will never understand why one can like a song called "Mmm Bop" by
Hanson over "A Case of You" by Joni Mitchell. Nevertheless, I do have
friends who can appreciate Joni but at the same time seem to be swept
away in today's trends of shallow songs. I suppose that is not true
for all today's music but it seems to be a never-ending pattern.
Basically what it comes down to is that most people my age are not
exposed to people like Joni Mitchell and the sad fact that today's
youth do not seem to be striving towards any type of intellectualism.
The truth is is that people just don't sit down and read the lyric
books anymore. If they did they would have to realize that today's
mainstream pop music has little to say. What kind of in-depth love
lesson is "If you wanna be my lover, first ya gotta be my friend"? If
it has a good beat they can pretty much get away with saying anything
now. I feel that most people my age are lazy. There's no time to
read poetry in music because Beavis and Butthead are on. As far as
being a hopeless generation, I wouldn't go that far. Music will keep
on evolving but the classics will be just that - classics. And those
who can appreciate stuff like that will be the leaders and the rest,
the followers. Joni Mitchell has paved the way to women in music and
has given me inspiration to have no apprehensions walking into a world
dominated by white men (I am studying to be a Mechanical Engineer).
Even if her music doesn't directly touch an audience, her entire
character will shine through those of us whom it has touched.
-Katie
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:18:15 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: JMDLers at The Garden
i read all of the posts from everyone who went to The Garden. in hindsight,
i wish i had gone. i just don't do well in crowds anymore, but being
crowded up with all of you guys would have been okay. sounds like a blast,
and i am proud of us as a whole for showing Joni support and love. i think
my favorite image is of Don running down the hill, getting space down in
front for everyone. when he wrote that, about crying from the joy, i got
choked up too. what a great day for all of you, and for the rest of us too
for you sharing your stories.
sherrie
proud of our funny little family
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:33:20 -0700
From: "James A. Murray"
Subject: Garden fest evokes Woodstock days (LJC)
POP MUSIC REVIEW
Garden fest evokes Woodstock days
By Gary Graff
August 18, 1998
BETHEL, N.Y. -- Twenty-nine years ago, Joni Mitchell -- extrapolating on
an event she did not attend -- sang that "we've got to get ourselves back
to the garden."
That's just what the music world did over the weekend, when a combination
of modern and classic rockers joined an estimated 75,000 music fans for A
Day in the Garden, a three-day festival held at the site of the original
Woodstock festival here.
It was a markedly different affair from its predecessor. It was clean and
orderly. Friendly and well-organized. Drug use was discreet. Nudity was
non-evident. There were no births, no deaths and no arrests on-site. The
fence stayed intact, the garbage was being picked up and the New York
Thruway remained uncongested.
It did rain, during Stevie Nicks' set on Friday night, but not enough to
create the muddy mess of the first Woodstock and its 1994 25th anniversary
sequel.
So it wasn't your father's -- or, dare we say it? -- grandfather's
Woodstock. But for those who attended, the festival's spirit was still
intact. "This is amazing," John Wozniak of Marcy Playground said after his
band brought "Sex and Candy" to the land of peace and love. "It's just
about as surreal as it gets. I sucked it in, drank it all in, every minute
detail. It was amazing."
Even Third Eye Blind singer Stephan Jenkins, who was critical of the new
festival before his band played, conceded that "when we drove over the hill
here and saw this thing that was actually a movie, it's hard to stay
completely jaded."
Rather than the landmark statement of a generation's cohesiveness and
mission that was the original Woodstock, the Garden party was a
multigenerational homage to that event and a step toward the site's future
as permanent entertainment facility, which is the stated desire of its
owner, former cable TV impresario Alan Gerry.
Due to modest ticket sales (capacity was 90,000 for the weekend), Gerry
lost money on the $5 million-plus festival, which he financed through his
nonprofit Gerry Foundation. But he wrote it off as a necessary "research
and development" expense.
Pete Townshend -- who had an "absolutely rotten" time with The Who at the
first Woodstock but resolved that with a relaxed concert that was easily
the festival's musical highlight -- noted that "the very fact that somebody
has bought this bit of land and wants there to be music here, it says a lot
about what really was important about the original occasion. If anything,
what this is doing simply is honoring what was meant to happen back then,
picking up the pieces."
Even Richie Havens, surveying the peaceful, family friendly gathering on
the same ground that housed a chaotic hippie happening 29 years ago,
surmised that the Woodstock site's future could well be bright.
"I think everything gets sophisticated after it is created," he said. "I
think this is the sophistication of what was started (in 1969). It now just
has the idea of safety . . . and convenience around it."
A Day in the Garden also left a legacy of good music, though not of
career-making performances that marked the original Woodstock. Townshend's
lengthy concert on Saturday was the most striking and engaging, during
which he and his band offered rootsy and pleasantly loose-limbed
rearrangements of songs from The Who and his solo career, plus surprising
covers of two Canned Heat songs -- "On the Road Again" and "Going Up the
Country," the latter featuring guest Taj Mahal.
Noting that "the last time we played this here, the sun was coming up,"
Townshend closed his show with a majestic rendition of the "Tommy" finale
"See Me, Feel Me/Listening to You," accompanied by a local choir.
Many of the festival's acts used their sets to preview new material.
Backed by an ace band that featured trumpeter Mark Isham, Joni Mitchell
played several songs from her next album, "Taming the Tiger," as well as
older favorites such as "Hejira" and "Big Yellow Taxi." She finished her
Saturday show by finally performing "Woodstock" at the site of its
inspiration.
The Goo Goo Dolls rocked the field on Sunday with a number of energetic
new songs, including "Broadway," "Flat Top" and "Wake Up in Your Arms,"
though the hit ballads "Name" and "Iris" drew the biggest response.
Marcy Playground abetted its smash "Sex and Candy" with tunes slated for
its second album, including "Wave Motion Gun," "And I Knew," "Teenage
Hypochondriac" and "Crazy Katie and her Red Jet Air Balloon." An animated
Joan Osborne slid a couple of fresh selections -- "Libertine" and
"Sensitive" -- into her set but told the crowd only that her next album
would be out "someday."
Most of the other performances featured a highlight or two. Don Henley
covered a pair of John Hiatt songs ("Shredding the Document" and "Feels
Like Rain"), while Third Eye Blind covered U2's "I Will Follow" with
blazing energy. Meanwhile, some of the old-timers rekindled the Woodstock
spirit with familiar selections -- including Ten Years After's guitar opus
"I'm Going Home" and Melanie's "Candles in the Rain," for instance. And
though Ziggy Marley was sick and had to miss the gig, brother Stephen
Marley capably fronted the Melody Makers for a set that brought father Bob
Marley's spirit to the proceedings with renditions of "No Woman No Cry" and
"Get Up, Stand Up."
A Day in the Garden may not live on in the way the original Woodstock has,
but it certainly showed that getting back to "the garden" was a fine way to
spend a summer afternoon. And when Townshend told the crowd that "maybe all
of us will come back here some day soon" -- referring to next year's 30th
anniversary, perhaps -- it seemed like a hard invitation to turn down.
Gary Graff is a Detroit-based pop music writer.
Copyright 1998 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:37:14 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: Joni (Billboard Online)
You probably know this already, but just in case...
(NEW YORK) A 90-minute television special, "An Evening With Joni Mitchell
Live In Los Angeles" is planned for the fall. The
program is based on performances shot May 29 and 30 on the Warner Bros.
movie lot and also features footage of Mitchell's
paintings. Rosanna Arquette emcees the show, on which Mitchell performs 22
songs, including six encores. The concert opens
with "Night Ride Home" and winds up with a cover of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble
Man." Producers of the special are negotiating
with cable and broadcast networks and satellite pay-per-view providers to
telecast the show. (Billboard Online)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:28:24 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: MOJO article
just wanted to say thanks to the person who alerted us about he huge Joni
article in the MOJO August issue. the photos alone are worth the $8.00 US
cost. this mag is an import from the UK. should i pick up the extra copies
i saw on the news stand? anyone out there in a remote location want one?
write to me privately if so, and i'll see what i can snap up.
sherrie
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:30:48 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: NJC Re: Taming the tiger
Heather wrote:
> At 09:21 AM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >How about "spanking the monkey?"
> >
> I've also heard of "polishing the carrot" and "punching the clown"
How about 'jerkin the gherkin' and 'whipping the dripping'.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:08:59 -0600
From: Bounced Message
Subject: could be sexual....but....
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:47:39 -0400
From: JJM
It could be a sexual thing. Depends on YOUR perspective, but I'd like
to think that Joni is talking about taming the mind from rampant,
incessant swirling around in order to be still and understand basic
goodness. Then again, she is a Scorpio...I wouldn't put anything past a
Scorpio when it comes to sex! Very exciting creatures.
> >One I hear of often is "disciplining the monkey" or "training the
> >>puppy". I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is what she is
> >>referring to.
>
> Hey ... wait a minute ... these are sexual euphemisms, no? "Disciplining
> the
> monkey"? "Training the puppy"? "Taming the tiger"? Now I get it!
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:01:00 -0600
From: Today in Joni History
Subject: Today in Joni History - August 21
1974: Joni performs the first of two nights in a row at Temple University
in Ambler, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:07:42 -0700
From: Scott Price
Subject: Re: Joni Article in NY Daily News 8/13
At 01:46 PM 8/20/98 GMT, Kenny Grant wrote:
>While checking out the NY Daily News On-Line for the "Man At The Window"
>reference, I found this article.
>It was written by staff writer Jim Farber
>A Hiss From Rolling Stone
>
>Rolling Stone called "Hissing" the worst album of the year.
It was actually called "worst album title" of the year by RS, a far cry
from simply "worst album." Apparently this "man at the window" is looking
through streaky glass.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:15:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)"
Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 21
And, I believe, the very one included in Tape Tree Seven!
Jerry
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Today in Joni History wrote:
> 1974: Joni performs the first of two nights in a row at Temple University
> in Ambler, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia.
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> Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to
> JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list.
> --------
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:26:28 -0700
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: Barangrill - (that's JC ...aka Joni Content...aka stuff about Joni...aka 0 degress...aka...
I don't know about youse guys, but I really like the version of "Barangrill"
on Tape Tree XXX000.
I think that we had a thread about this song not that long ago that kicked
around what she meant to say, what was barangrill, etc. etc.
She starts the song with a nice monologue. I knew the last part about the
gas station attendant and hearing the full story was neat. But what I
found myself focusing in on was the very beginning where she says
that she wrote the song as a "spoof on the trinity," (lettuce, tomato(e)
and bacon, I was told), and being a seeker along the path or for a path
because that was the thing to do for the times. (Lesson in survival,
spinning it out on turns that get you tough, guru books, the bible....)
The most recent edition of "Elle" with their blurb of Joni and an
interesting, albeit too short article on the latest manifestation of EST made
that song pop right in my head and I put on "For The Roses" for another
listen.
Much of the album has that great underlaying theme of spirituality: what it
could be, how it is manifested in others, the quest for it and how so
many bumble around using the words with nary a clue.
FTR was the first Joni album I bought w/ my own money and it still holds
up after all these years.
MG
np: Appeasing the DA
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:39:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: Waggin the Dog (NJC)
Just heard we bombed Afghanastan. Didn't
Clinton see Wag The Dog? It was supposed to
be Albania.
Bill
"I dreamed I saw the bombers
riding shotgun in the sky
turning into butterflies"
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:53:48 EDT
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC/take 'em to the beach
"Julie Z. Webb" wrote:
>>Aside from the Billie Holiday article ... And The "New Yorker" has a
>>double issue (August 24 and 31) and it's a juicy one with "Private
>>Lives" as it's cental theme. First off, David Sedaris, my favorite
>>commentary guest on NPR
Speaking of Billie Holiday and David Sedaris, he does a spot on impression of
Billie singing Madonna's "Material Girl" ... it's hilarious.
- -Fred
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:56:17 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: Waggin the Dog (NJC)
Afghanistan and Sudan. Starr will have to work harder now!
Bill Dollinger wrote:
> Just heard we bombed Afghanastan. Didn't
> Clinton see Wag The Dog? It was supposed to
> be Albania.
>
> Bill
>
> "I dreamed I saw the bombers
> riding shotgun in the sky
> turning into butterflies"
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:56:32 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: Waggin the Dog (NJC)
Afghanistan and Sudan. Starr will have to work harder now!
Bill Dollinger wrote:
> Just heard we bombed Afghanastan. Didn't
> Clinton see Wag The Dog? It was supposed to
> be Albania.
>
> Bill
>
> "I dreamed I saw the bombers
> riding shotgun in the sky
> turning into butterflies"
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:04:35 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez....
If being 25 is still being a kid, then you must be a very, very old woman!
She is an adult, there is no way of getting around it. She knew exactly
what she was doing.
MG wrote:
> What does matter is that he picked some young girl. An intern for crying
>out loud! Someone that, in spite of her bodacious curves and pouty lips,
>is just a KID! A 25 year old KID.
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:13:37 -0500
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez....
I wrote:
>If being 25 is still being a kid, then you must be a very, very old woman!
>She is an adult, there is no way of getting around it. She knew exactly
>what she was doing.
I was only joking about Mary Grace being an old woman. It is only that I
don't think 25 is being a kid still. Just think she's a quarter of a
century! :)
NP-Silky Veils of Ardor (Did someone bring up the subject of this being
based on a traditional song???)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:16:56 -0700
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
>>> Mark Domyancich 08/20/98 12:04pm >>>
If being 25 is still being a kid, then you must be a very, very old woman!
She is an adult, there is no way of getting around it. She knew exactly
what she was doing.
=========
I should have worded things different. A 25 year old's sophistication and
worldliness is not going to be close at all to someone at the President's
level. One's ego and maturity is still developing. At 25, it's still easy
enough to think that if she swallows, true love will follow.
Sure she knew what she was going, I'm not saying that she didn't. I am
saying that, of the two, I would expect more mature behavior from the
President of the United States.
MG - counting down to the big 4 - 0.....
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:18:26 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fw:_California_I=B4m_Coming_Home?=
From Mariana
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> From: mariana mcconnell
> Subject: California Iīm Coming Home
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 9:01 AM
>
>
> Sitting in a park in Paris France
> Reading the news and it sure looks bad
> They won't give peace a chance
> That was just a dream some of us had
> Still a lot of lands to see
> But I wouldn't want to stay here
> It's too old and cold and settled in its ways here
>
> Well, so itīs not Paris France, itīs Cuernavaca Mexico but hey, distance
> is the only difference. Well maybe not, but it doesnīt matter because
> Iīm coming home the day after tommorow. It was the blast everyone said
> it would be, but it wasnīt like doing time either. I guess it could have
> been worse. My parents could have sent me to a Kabutz where I would have
> been made to chop carrots for sixteen skaquillion people.
> I made myself call the īrents yesterday for my fatherīs birthday (my
> mum told me too, but it was the correct thing to do so I did it). They
> are dissapointed that I didnīt take more excursions but I didnīt see any
> reason why I should. They are heavy travelers. Actually, my parents
> eloped in Geneva and spent their honey moon traveling about europe.
> Theyīve big on little towns and outdoorsy stuff. The Country. But Iīm
> not like that. I need a city, I need lights, I need loud music, I need
> that busy humming all around me. Maybe when Iīm 48 years old, Iīll want
> that quiet too, but as of now, I want something LOUD FAST AND EXCITING!
> And of the many things, good and bad, that Cuernavaca is, itīs not LOUD
> FAST AND EXCITING. So Iīm happy Iīm leaving.
>
> Oh but California
> California I'm coming home
> I'm going to see the folks I dig
> I'll even kiss a Sunset pig
> California I'm coming home
>
> I miss my friends. Itīs true. More than my family I think. I miss being
> able to pick up the phone and call anyone. I miss logging onto AOL and
> reading all the new posts from the JMDL. Itīs sad when youīre so
> isolated. I didnīt meet blonde surfer boy (boo) and didnīt meet anyone
> really that interesting, so itīll be good to go home where everyone
> knows who I am. Cause Iīm so sick and tired of these pictures of
> meeeeee.
>
> I met a redneck on a Grecian isle
> Who did the goat dance very well
> He gave me back my smile
> But he kept my camera to sell
> Oh the rogue the red red rogue
> He cooked good omelettes and stews
> And I might have stayed on with him there
> But my heart cried out for you California
>
> The food here almost made me puke, seriously. I forced down lumpy cheesy
> spaghetti and drank alot of Coca Cola to get rid of the flavor. The best
> stuff down here were these little tuna croquettes. Dad promised me we
> could go eat Sushi on saturday night because I miss Japanese food soooo
> much. I donīt trust the sushi down here. Weīre a long, long way from the
> ocean.
>
> California I'm coming home
> Oh make me feel good rock 'n' roll band
> I'm your biggest fan
> California I'm coming home
>
> I managed to preserve some money from my little shopping excursions down
> here. So Iīll be hitting the music store. Thereīs so much wonderful
> music out there, I donīt see why I should pigeon hole myself. Destined
> For My Sheleves: Elliott Smith, XO. Nirvana, In Utero. Kate Bush, Never
> Forever.
> The music down here is almost as bad as the food. Itīs all about
> processed pop. Iīve even begun to appreciate the Spice Goiles after
> hearing Los Jeans sing "Inferma Amor" about sixteen zillion times.
> Plus I need some new music. Iīve memorized every note on both Foo
> Fighters albums, and the Iīve been subexisting on the Kate Bush tape
> Sean sent me. Iīm sick of Tori Amos "Under the Pink", I want to listen
> to my new Tori Cd which I didnīt get a chance too since I was in San
> Fran when I bought it. I canīt wait to get back to my nice, big CD
> collection instead of six little tapes that are ready to break. Iīve
> gone through three sets of batteries this trip.
>
> Oh it gets so lonely
> When you're walking
> And the streets are full of strangers
> All the news at home you read
> Just gives you the blues
> Just gives you the blues
> So I bought me a ticket
> I caught a plane to Spain
> Went to a party down a red dirt road
> There were lots of pretty people there
> Reading Rolling Stone reading Vogue
> They said "How long can you hang around?"
> I said a week maybe two
> Just until my skin turns brown
> Then I'm going home to California
>
> At the Supermarket, Iīve been buying really sleazy magazines like Elle
> and Vogue. Itīs awful. Iīve come to hate designer labels. And I live in
> designer central in L.A. Thatīs okay, once I can get back to my Star
> Wars Insiders and people Magazines, Iīll be okay.
>
> California I'm coming home
> Oh will you take me as I am
> Strung out on another man
> California I'm coming home
>
> No, no, no! NOT strung out, much better thank you. Heīs either going to
> apolgize or heīs not, but heīs the one living with the guilt, not me.
> And thatīs enough for me. Iīve got better things to focus on.
>
>
> Oh it gets so lonely
> When you're walking
> And the streets are full of strangers
> All the news of home you read
> More about the war
> And the bloody changes
>
> All the news about the U.S. here is the Clinto scandel and Monica
> "Levinsky" and the bombings in Africa. Itīs depressing. Why isnīt there
> anything happy on the news?
>
> So itīs been okay, but Iīm so happy to be home. By this time next week,
> I should be back to my old posting self. And I guess we can begin the
> countdown until school starts. until we post again!
>
> Oh will you take me as I am?
> Will you take me as I am?
> Will you?
>
> mariana
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:41:28 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
I was going to try to ignore this thread, but I now I cannot ...
Mary Grace wrote:
> A 25 year old's sophistication and worldliness is not going to be close at
all to someone at the President's level. One's ego and maturity is still
developing. At 25, it's still easy enough to think that if she swallows, true
love will follow.
I know plenty of 40 year olds who think the same thing. While I can't speak
for Ms. Lewinsky, I can say that when I was 25 I knew the moral and legal
risks of having sex with a married person, regardless of their position of
power. I don't buy anyone's opinion that Monica should be treated like a
naive innocent because she was "only" 25. She obviously had the ambition and
sophistication to put herself in the presence of Washington's elite, and I
think she was looking to gain favor -- or at least a huge thrill -- from
fellating Clinton. Additionally, it appears that Monica was pretty conniving
... to have saved that dress ... smells like blackmail to me ...
Lori
in San Antonio
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:45:17 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez....
Mark Domyancich wrote:
> NP-Silky Veils of Ardor (Did someone bring up the subject of this being
> based on a traditional song???)
Glad you brought that up. No one has before. It seems to be a combination of
several well known folk songs. It's sort of her answer to being called a
folksinger all these years. A brilliant satire.
Jerry
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:47:06 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
And, actually, she was only 21 when their affair started. That's a long
way from his 50.
Jerry
np: Jane Olivor - Stay the Night
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:52:09 -0700
From: "Kakki"
Subject: New job for the Prez? (NJC)
Heard on the radio this morning that gossip columnist Cindy Adams is reporting
that trio Spielberg - Katzenberg - Geffen have offered Clinton a job helping to
promote and raise venture capital for Dream Works.
Not even George Orwell could have come up with this one.
Kakki
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:10:15 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
Jerry wrote:
> And, actually, she was only 21 when their affair started. That's a long way
from his 50.
Then that means that he was a mere 46 when it all began! That's only 6 years
older than me, and I make foolish mistakes all the time ... And, actually,
Monica at 21 was still an adult woman, capable of saying NO ... Hell, we ask
our teenaged girls to say no all the time ...
Lori
in San Antonio
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:21:45 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
Jerry reminded me that Clinton is 52, not 50 as I had previously thought. My
opinion of Monica being able to say no remains the same.
Lori
in San Antonio
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:23:13 EDT
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Silky Veils (was Re: yet another voice on the prez....)
Jerry wrote:
<<
> NP-Silky Veils of Ardor (Did someone bring up the subject of this being
> based on a traditional song???)
Glad you brought that up. No one has before. It seems to be a combination of
several well known folk songs. It's sort of her answer to being called a
folksinger all these years. A brilliant satire.>>
No, I brought it up before. (And was told that someone else -- Doug? -- had
before me.) The first verse is based on "(I am a) Poor Wayfaring Stranger";
the second is from the British Isles (June Tabor does a variant called "Let no
man steal your thyme"); the fourth verse is from a spiritual, the river being
the river Jordan.
I too always heard this song partly as an allusion to her supposed roots.
- --David
NP: _Songs of the Old Regular Baptists_ (Smithsonian Folkways)
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:50:32 +0100
From: catman
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
The saving of that dress seems preety well planned to me. hardly the action of a
poor girl seduced by a mean President. I wonder if she was paid to do this....
LRFye@aol.com wrote:
> Jerry wrote:
>
> > And, actually, she was only 21 when their affair started. That's a long way
> from his 50.
>
> Then that means that he was a mere 46 when it all began! That's only 6 years
> older than me, and I make foolish mistakes all the time ... And, actually,
> Monica at 21 was still an adult woman, capable of saying NO ... Hell, we ask
> our teenaged girls to say no all the time ...
>
> Lori
> in San Antonio
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:57:33 EDT
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
Colin wrote:
> The saving of that dress seems preety well planned to me. hardly the action
of a poor girl seduced by a mean President. I wonder if she was paid to do
this....
If she was paid, it will become quite evident to her as the years pass that no
amount of money will make up for the ridicule she will suffer throughout the
rest of her life.
Lori
in SATX
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:24:08 PDT
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: yet another voice on the prez.... -Reply (NJC)
>From: LRFye@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:57:33 EDT
>Colin wrote:
>
>> The saving of that dress seems preety well planned to me. hardly the
action
>of a poor girl seduced by a mean President. I wonder if she was paid
to do
>this....
>
Lori responds:
>If she was paid, it will become quite evident to her as the years pass
that no
>amount of money will make up for the ridicule she will suffer
throughout the
>rest of her life.
Okay, so now I've got bunyons on my finger from hitting the DELETE key,
so I might as well weigh in and give the others a workout. Let's keep
our eyes on the ball here people -- this whole thing isn't about sex.
Not about sex with a 21-year-old, a 41-year-old or the neighbor's
barnyard animal (a goat for dancing with, I'm sure). This is about
"lying under oath" ... this is about attempting to hide material facts
of a criminal case from the eyes of the American Judicial system. This
is about a sitting President convincing a young woman to join in a
conspiracy of perjury. Clinton's arrogance isn't thinking he can get
away with using White House interns for his carnal pleasure, it's
thinking he can commit a crime and get away with it. If Ken Star does
his job well -- he won't, and that's the MOST important issue in this
whole sordid thing. There, I've vented and I feel better already! :-)
Don Rowe
>
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