From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #310 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 310 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Billie Holiday (LJC) [Robert Holliston ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Steve Dulson's wacky multiplying posts (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] "Hypocrisy Is The Greatest Luxury" (Re: Clinton, NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Great Info Site - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] info site [Jerry Notaro ] joni @ mtv news + magic garden moments [bryan thomas ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Happy Birthday!!! [The Yarn Kollection ] NJC - You gotta hear this.. [Heather ] joni news from mtv online [Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org] More on the TV Special [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: From Joe (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] fall tour ["Wong, Kai" ] Happy Birthday! (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] New England JOnifest ["Julie Z. Webb" ] ps. New England JOnifest ["Julie Z. Webb" ] All are Discounting!!!! ["Julie Z. Webb" ] And a-one, and a-two....(JC) [Steve Dulson ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Re: LA Times review - NJC [LRFye@aol.com] Taming the tiger [Les Irvin ] Re: LA Times review - NJC [Susanne Powers ] Sept 29th - A very good day for shopping [Guy Brown ] also released 9/29 Laura Love, Sheryl Crow, Melissa Ferrick, The Nields, and PJ Harvey. (LJC) ["James A. Murra] Re: Sept 29th - A very good day for shopping [catman ] "Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury" (Re: Clinton) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0?= (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: LA Times review - NJC [Mark Domyancich ] NJC - New Me'Shell NdegeOcello discussion list [Bounced Message ] Re: trio (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] earlier joni from mtv online [Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org] NJC - NYC Jmdlers only need read [Brian Gross ] A BRIEF THANX!! [KerriLynn@aol.com] C'mon Get Happy -- Joni and The Partridge Family [Bill Dollinger ] The Ideal JMDL (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Woodstock review on EW online ["Wong, Kai" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Billie Holiday (LJC) Howdy! Brad asked about Comes Love: Billie Holiday sings it sensationally on the Verve Silver Collection, a CD I have loved for years and would never want to be without. These recordings are from the 1950s - in other words, late Billie Holiday, when many critics said that her voice was shot (though a lot of jazz greats like Miles Davis and Carmen McRae think she's at her very greatest). Earlier tonight, the American Masters episode on Lady Day was on TV - I watched it for the umpteenth time and was spellbound yet again. There is an excellent article about her in this month's Vanity Fair that focuses on the song "Strange Fruit," which is described as the first significant protest song. Now that Joni's thinking of doing a cover album of swing era material, it occurred to me that there are several songs on Billie's Verve CD that would be perfect - I'd love to hear Joni's renditions of: Darn That Dream Body and Soul Gee Baby Ain't I Good To You All Or Nothing At All Whatever she decides to sing, though, it'll be an album to look forward to!! All the best, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:17:31 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Steve Dulson's wacky multiplying posts (NJC) Besides Steve, is anyone getting any *other* multiple posts? I have been, for the past few days, and one of the posts I sent showed up twice also. Talk among yourselves. I'm disappearing for a few days to attend a wedding (for my niece -- the one whose real wedding was in a hospital in May). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:24:52 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Billie Holiday (NJC) I'll have to read that article. Strange Fruit is an awesome song, but I have a hard time believing it is the first significant protest song! I was listening the other day to a Scottish ballad which is a protest song in disguise. And certainly there's a long tradition of labor songs that precedes Strange Fruit. Which, BTW, was written by the guy that adopted the children of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. I think it was banned from radio airplay for a time, presumably because of the Red associations of the songwriter. (Your trivia for 6 AM). > There is an excellent article about her in this month's Vanity Fair that > focuses on the song "Strange Fruit," which is described as the first > significant protest song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:34:38 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: "Hypocrisy Is The Greatest Luxury" (Re: Clinton, NJC) "The problem has never been our political logic but the way we enact it We can imagine a perfect society but can't maintain a decent relationship The failure found in the luxuries not in the hardships Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury Raise the Double Standard" - ------------------------------------- from the song and the album "Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury" Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy (1992) Food for thoughts? Winfried who thinks "Hipocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury" is one of the best protest albums ever written, even though I disagree with many statements they make. "Television, The Drug Of the Nation" and "Language of Violence" are two great songs. Honest and angry lyrics throughout the entire album. Great Poetry, and the proof that hip-hop indeed can be high art. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:24:08 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: [none] It's my Birthday!!!! love from JamieJake NP: Sketches for my Sweetheart a present from my brother ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:39:53 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Great Info Site - NJC For information freaks (like me), Information Please has a great new site. Very comprehensive search engine, and lots of interesting facts at their music site. Jerry np: jane oliver - so fine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:08:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: info site Remembered everything but the info: INFORMATION PLEASE... - --------------------- InfoPlease.com is a new one-stop reference site that freely offers millions of up-to-the-minute facts and statistics covering just about everything. The site integrates the various Information Please(R) Almanacs on sports, entertainment and general knowledge with the Random House Webster's College Dictionary and The Columbia Encyclopedia (Fifth Ed.) into a single reference source that puts a wealth of facts just a mouse click away. http://InfoPlease.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:33:09 -0400 From: bryan thomas Subject: joni @ mtv news + magic garden moments fahgetabout vh1: here's an mtv news article on joni from mtv. the second in five days, no less. (does this mean she's pitched the show to them? does this mean they definitely won't be the ones airing it?) but before the news, here was bry-bry's favorite moment from the garden show: joni singing 'just like this train' solo style: by looking closely thru the sheer red curtain at the back of the stage, just over mama joni's shoulder, i could see kilauren dancing in circles with her son. magic, i tell ya, magic! a second magic moment: during 'black crow,' i hallucinated that i was the only one in the audience. (an hallucination inspired only by the emotion of the music, mind you - no acid, brown or otherwise, was involved.) peace, b. - ------------------ http://mtv.com/news/headlines/980819/story4.html http://mtv.com/news/gallery/m/mitchell980814.html 8.19.98 8:35 EDT Joni Mitchell Tries To Bring Concert To Television Joni Mitchell is currently shopping around a 90-minute concert television special that she hopes will find a home on a network or perhaps pay-per-view. Mitchell and an outfit named Eagle Rock are making the rounds with the special, which captures an intimate performance Mitchell gave in late May on the Warner Bros. Lot in Burbank, Caliornia. The show drew a number of celebrity guests, including Natalie Imbruglia, k.d. lang, Graham Nash, Nastassja Kinski, and Rosanna Arquette, who introduced Mitchell. The show also featured a gallery showing of Mitchell's paintings, which were on display during Mitchell's performance. It's not yet known which tracks from that performance made the cut for the special, but here's a look at what Mitchell rolled out that night for the small audience gathered in Burbank: Night Ride Home Crazy Cries of Love Harry's House Slouching To Bethlehem Just Like This Train Black Crow Amelia Hejira Big Yellow Taxi Facelift Sex Kills The Magdalene Laundries Moon at the Window Woodstock The Three Great Stimulants Song For Sharon Why Do Fools Fall In Love? Refuge of the Roads Nothing Can Be Done - ----------------------------------- http://www.bryanthomas.com music@bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:45:35 -0400 From: The Yarn Kollection Subject: Happy Birthday!!! AMY AWESOME. That's knowing how to celebrate right. To all who had or have cause to celebrate something special in the month of August, Wrapped in happiness and love may your celebrations hold good memories for a life time. Mendi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:44:41 -0400 From: Heather Subject: NJC - You gotta hear this.. From our local paper - the Hartford Courant - WEST HARTFORD - The call at police headquarters was listed as a 10-97: kidnapping. But police say what actually took place was a cat-napping. And Flora Allen's dogs are suspects. Two dogs in West Hartford's Balfour Drive neighborhood attacked and possibly killed a neighbor's cat Saturday evening. One witness believes the dogs belong to Allen, mother of basketball star Ray Allen. Karen Jones, assistant animal control officer, is investigating the weekend incident. Jones said the cat's owner watched as two Rottweilers ran onto his outdoor deck about 7:00pm Saturday and attacked the cat, named Izzy. The cat has not been found, Jones said. Allen could not be reached for comment. The Saturday night incident is just the latest of Allen's dog problem's, which began earlier this year when nearby residents complained to police about Allen's barking Rottweilers, Sheeba and Samson. In response, Allen hired celebrity attorney, Johnnie Cochran, who appeared with Allen in court earlier this month when the judge imposed a 9pm - 8am indoor curfew for the animals. Allen is to appear in court again on March 31, 1999. ------ END WELL! Looks like Johnnie is still defending animals! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:03:36 -0400 From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org Subject: joni news from mtv online 8.19.98 8:35 EDT Joni Mitchell Tries To Bring Concert To Television Joni Mitchell Joni Mitchell is currently shopping around a 90-minute concert television special that she hopes will find a home on a network or perhaps pay-per-view. Mitchell and an outfit named Eagle Rock are making the rounds with the special, which captures an intimate performance Mitchell gave in late May on the Warner Bros. Lot in Burbank, Caliornia. The show drew a number of celebrity guests, including Natalie Imbruglia, k.d. lang, Graham Nash, Nastassja Kinski, and Rosanna Arquette, who introduced Mitchell. The show also featured a gallery showing of Mitchell's paintings, which were on display during Mitchell's performance. It's not yet known which tracks from that performance made the cut for the special, but here's a look at what Mitchell rolled out that night for the small audience gathered in Burbank: Night Ride Home Crazy Cries of Love Harry's House Slouching To Bethlehem Just Like This Train Black Crow Amelia Hejira Big Yellow Taxi Facelift Sex Kills The Magdalene Laundries Moon at the Window Woodstock The Three Great Stimulants Song For Sharon Why Do Fools Fall In Love? Refuge of the Roads Nothing Can Be Done For more on Joni Mitchell, check out the MTV News Gallery. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:19:51 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: More on the TV Special From Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/): Outlets Sought For Joni Mitchell TV Special Producers of the 90-minute television special "An Evening With Joni Mitchell Live In Los Angeles" are negotiating with such cable and broadcast networks as TNT and PBS and satellite pay-per-view providers Viewer's Choice, USSB, and DirecTV to telecast the show. Planned for the fall, the program is based on performances shot May 29 and 30 on the Warner Bros. movie lot; it also features footage of Mitchell's paintings. Rosanna Arquette emcees the show, on which Mitchell performs 22 songs, including six encores. The concert opens with "Night Ride Home" and winds up with a cover of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." To read about Mitchell's forthcoming album, "Taming The Tiger," see the Aug. 22 issue of Billboard. - -- Don Jeffrey, N.Y Looks like someone sent out a press release, maybe even followed it up with some phone calls. Indeed, someone may be promoting Joni after all. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:43:11 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: From Joe (NJC) Mendi sent along: <<>> So when's he changing his JMDL membership status from honorary to official? Get him on over here! - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:51:23 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: fall tour From what I read in the Aug 22 Billboard article, joni is seriously contemplating a tour this fall in October or November. Has anyone heard anything more recent? Kai np (in my head): Please come to Boston ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:55:21 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Happy Birthday! (NJC) Happy Birthday to fellow list member Hayley MacPhee! She was at the Garden but didn't dare join the JMDLRV get-together. o o o o o |__|__|__|__| |===========| |~~~~~~~~~~~| |===========| ____ | | O=|o\/o|=O Mark Domyancich O=|o\/o|=O O=|o\/o|=O Harpua@revealed.net \||/ |==| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/guitar.html |__| |__| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:09:45 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: New England JOnifest Everybody Interested in Ashara's New England Jonifest, After squeezing this 'last minute' discounted tidbit out of the USAIR reservationist, I **just** found out that US AIR is running a special rate to Boston for only $93 on Labor Day Weekend. The catch is that you have to leave on Saturday after 12 noon and return Sunday. So I paid for my seat this morning. YOU MUST CALL TODAY OR TOMORROW, because the seats are limited. (Im not sure if this special is for Pittsburgh/Boston only, but it is worth looking into.) I arrive in Boston at 5:39 PM and leave Sunday at 7:15 PM. I could not pass up an opportunity to hear Chuck E perform as well as guitarist-extraordinaire Marian from Vienna, jmdl piano prodigey David Bolanger Wright and "Swimming and Singing With Dolpins Ashara." And Im so looking forward to seeing Heather and Kakki again and meeting Maggie, Rickie, Bryan and who?mever decides to come. Im working on Tuning Terry M from Detroit and Songstress Sherelle from Ohio. I think that this is going to be even more of a Joni-musical jamfest than Jonifest Pittsburgh because there will be musicians in attendance. So please come to Boston all of you JMDL jammers out there, - -JulieZW, not a musician, but loves hearing Joni's music played and sung by friends ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:14 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: ps. New England JOnifest Should have read, "even more musicians in attendance." - > I think that this is going >to be even more of a Joni-musical jamfest than Jonifest Pittsburgh because >there will be musicians in attendance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:26:52 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: All are Discounting!!!! Flight Update: This just in: American, Delta, United and Usair are all slashing thier rates for Labor Day Saturday to Labor Day Sunday from all cities to Boston!!! Get on the phone now and book your flight to Ashara's Logan Airport in Boston. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:26:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: And a-one, and a-two....(JC) True apologies and regrets over the multiple copies of the LA Times thing you received. It was inappropriate, and it was wrong. Even Buddy was upset. :) I think that I finally got our SysAdmin's attention, and we are looking at ways to prevent it happening again. The personal messages that I got from some of you were VERY gentle, considering! Again, I'm sorry! On to the JC...I got a catalog from an outfit called "Artrock" (1-800-262-7249, www.artrock.com) which has for sale: "Here's an original CSNY concert poster from a show at the Oakland Stadium. The lettering and design is by Randy Tuten, but the artwork is by Joni Mitchell!... The design may be the only example of JM's artwork ever used on a concert poster. Signed by Randy Tuten. 23.25"x17.5" (740713) $125." It looks pretty cool - nice caricatures of all the CSNY guys...water..seagulls... Hey Chilihead, what's this about sailing in the Caribbean? I've done a bit o'that meself.... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:39:45 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: LA Times review - NJC STOP!!!! PLEASE STOP!!!! There, I feel better ... : ) Lori in San Antonio, still blissed out by her own experience at A Day In The Garden ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:30:54 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Taming the tiger Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:22:56 -0400 From: JJM As a buddhist practicioner, I was also a little curious about the title and if Joni is talking about meditation. I'm glad someone brought it up. There have also been other allusions to the process of meditation as a means for dealing with the cravings of this existence which lead to suffering. One I hear of often is "disciplining the monkey" or "training the puppy". I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is what she is referring to. > Speaking of attachments brings to mind the thread about Taming the Tiger > and > its possible meaning . dskARTS@concentric.netV wrote that he had found a > Buddhist book w/ this title. I might as well come out of the closet and say > that I am a practicing Zen Buddhist but not a fanatic. When I first heard > the > title I thought "Hmm sounds like Joni's been meditating". Taming the Tiger > is > a common buddhist phrase which to means the mind is like a tiger following > its > desires and cravings; it is tamed by walking the 8 fold noble path and > through meditation and mindfulness. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:00:57 -0500 From: Susanne Powers Subject: Re: LA Times review - NJC STOP THE INSANITY AND JOIN MY PROGRAM!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:26:18 -0700 From: Guy Brown Subject: Sept 29th - A very good day for shopping Besides TTT, that day will also see the Columbia/Sony release of the extraordinary 32 year old recording of Bob Dylan and the Hawks 'The Albert Hall Concert' (actually Manchester Free Trade Hall but that's another story), and Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach 'Painting from Memory'. If you throw in the 3rd album from Sheryl Crow (and I'll admit her first 2 slowly worked their way into my psyche) - we have a $(US)60 plus day to be saving for here. GUY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:12:37 -0700 From: "James A. Murray" Subject: also released 9/29 Laura Love, Sheryl Crow, Melissa Ferrick, The Nields, and PJ Harvey. (LJC) >The September issue of the ICE CD newsletter >reports that Laura's new CD, "Shum Ticky", is scheduled for release on >Mercury on 9/29! It'll be an expensive week for me... also out that day >are the new releases from Sheryl Crow, Melissa Ferrick, The Nields, and PJ >Harvey... > >-- >Deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:54:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Sept 29th - A very good day for shopping $60 for 4 cd's? You's be lucky to get two here for that. Guy Brown wrote: > Besides TTT, that day will also see the Columbia/Sony release of the > extraordinary 32 year old recording of Bob Dylan and the Hawks 'The Albert > Hall Concert' (actually Manchester Free Trade Hall but that's another > story), and Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach 'Painting from Memory'. If > you throw in the 3rd album from Sheryl Crow (and I'll admit her first 2 > slowly worked their way into my psyche) - we have a $(US)60 plus day to be > saving for here. GUY - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 20 1974: Joni performs the first of two nights at Temple University in Ambler, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:29:43 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: "Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury" (Re: Clinton) =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0?= (NJC) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:32:46 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" "The problem has never been our political logic but the way we enact it We can imagine a perfect society but can't maintain a decent relationship The failure found in the luxuries not in the hardships Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury Raise the Double Standard" - ------------------------------------- from the song and the album "Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury" Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy (1992) Food for thoughts? Winfried who thinks "Hipocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury" is one of the best protest albums ever written, even though I disagree with many statements they make. "Television, The Drug Of the Nation" and "Language of Violence" are two great songs. Honest and angry lyrics throughout the entire album. Great Poetry, and the proof that hip-hop indeed can be high art. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:04:27 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: New England JOnifest At 12:09 PM 8/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Everybody Interested in Ashara's New England Jonifest, > After squeezing this 'last minute' discounted tidbit out of the USAIR >reservationist, I **just** found out that US AIR is running a special rate >to Boston for only $93 on Labor Day Weekend. The catch is that you have to >leave on Saturday after 12 noon and return Sunday. So I paid for my seat >this morning. YOU MUST CALL TODAY OR TOMORROW, because the seats are >limited. (Im not sure if this special is for Pittsburgh/Boston only, but it >is worth looking into.) EXCELLENT WORK JULIE!! Come on, everyone, give it some serious thought. In addition to my previously listed "door prizes" there will also be a HDCD of _______ by Joni Mitchell. Sorry :) you gotta show up to find out! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:08:02 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: LA Times review - NJC Oh, duh! That was the name I was thinking of... At 1:12 PM -0400 8/19/98, wrote: >Is Susanne Powers related to Susan Powter? ; ) _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:21:10 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC - New Me'Shell NdegeOcello discussion list From: Michael Yarbrough Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:15:10 -0400 Thanks to the advice and encouragement of our illustrious Les, I have decided to start a discussion list for fans of Me'Shell NdegeOcello. I'd love to see some of you there, so if I've converted you to Me'Shell fandom or you're just an interested bystander, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "su.bscribe god-shiva" (without the quotes and the period after the u) in the BODY of the message. The list is named God-Shiva after one of Me'Shell's songs, which includes the lyric "God Shiva is imminent love, transcendent reality." A lot of times that's how I feel about Me'Shell's music, so that's the name of the list. Hope to see you there, and thanks again to Les! - --Michael "We are in truth the truth we seek." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, "God Shiva" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: trio (NJC) This just in at AoL: Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt's second set of Trio recordings, entitled I Feel the Blues Movin' In, is tentatively scheduled for release in November on Asylum. The tracks were recorded in 1994, around the same time as Ronstadt's Feels Like Home. The album should contain version's of Neil Young's "After the Gold Rush" and Kiernan Kane's "When We're Gone." The first Trio album, released in 1987, has sold 1.8 million copies. Harris and Ronstadt are also considering recording an album of duets sometime next year..... ICE MAGAZINE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:55:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: trio (NJC) Bill Dollinger wrote: Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt's second set of Trio > recordings, entitled I Feel the Blues Movin' In, is tentatively scheduled for > release in November on Asylum. Great news. Trio has always been one of my favorites. np: Dolly - Rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:10:39 -0400 From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org Subject: earlier joni from mtv online 8.14.98 10:00 EDT Joni Mitchell Remembers The Time She Never Got To Woodstock Joni Mitchell 400k QuickTime Ticket sales for this weekend's Day in the Garden festival, the three-day commemoration of the 1969 Woodstock festival being held in Bethel, New York, don't appear to be coming up roses. Originally set at $69.98 for the weekend, ticket prices have been slashed to $35 for the Friday and Saturday shows, and $25 for the alterna-laden Sunday concert. Don Henley and Stevie Nicks headline Friday, Joni Mitchell and Pete Townshend share the honors Saturday, while the Goo Goo Dolls and Third Eye Blind are set for Sunday. For Joni Mitchell, the singer-songwriter perhaps most influential on the "Lilith" generation of female artists, the concert will mark the first time she has ever performed in the place she immortalized three decades ago in her classic paean to the show, "Woodstock," which she wrote even though she never made it to the festival. Her friends in Crosby, Stills & Nash, who scored a hit with their version of Mitchell's "Woodstock", did get out to Yasgur's Farm, and told her about it upon their return. "They showed up raving about it," Mitchell told MTV News, "which was really like salt in the wound. When I see the clips [from 'Woodstock'], I can almost see myself [crying] -- on camera and all that. Cause to be young then and to have missed that, even though it was that close, that was everything to me." [400k QuickTime] "But I guess it was meant for a reason," she continued, "and because I couldn't go, [Woodstock] dominated my mind. I watched everything on TV, I just sat in front of the TV and wrote most of the song in the first few days [400k QuickTime] of the festival, and it was done by Sunday night." According to a report in "Performance" magazine, Mitchell and Nicks will each take home $450,000 for their work, while Henley and Townshend are each fetching $550,000. For more on Mitchell check out the MTV News Gallery. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: NJC - NYC Jmdlers only need read Hi Everbody On my way home from the Garden on Sunday, I saw my niece, who is getting her MBA and already has a job lined up in NYC. She's looking for a place to live and writes: <> If any you NY Jmdlers knows of anything that meets Susan's criteria, I would be very appreciative. Email me at briangross@rocketmail.com and I'll hook you up with her. Thanks everyone. Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:37:56 EDT From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: A BRIEF THANX!! JUST A NOTE TO ALL ON THE LIST, THANK YOU FOR POSTING ALL THE INFO ABOUT 'THE GARDEN', AND ALL THE OTHER JUICY GOOD STUFF YOU HAVE TO SAY!!! I ACTUALLY LIVE ONLY A HALF HOUR FROM WHERE THE SITE IS, BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO GO, (VERY SAD) I'VE BEEN A SUBSCRIBER FOR SOME TIME NOW AND JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH I REALLY ENJOY THE LIST.... AGAIN, THANKS!!! CANT WAIT TILL TTT!!!!! - -- KERRI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: C'mon Get Happy -- Joni and The Partridge Family Okay folks, I recently stumbled upon some information that will take up space in my brain cells for the rest of my life (whether I want it there or not). -- It involves a connection between our SIQUOMB and that fabricated sitcom family band of the seventies, The Partridge Family. Actually there are two connections that I discovered. Not to make it easy, I threw in some red herrings and made the following list. So C'mon Get Happy and see if you can pick the two bonafide true life facts out of the other 8 which are figments of my overactive imagination: 1. The Partridge Family songs are based on dozens of open tunings. 2. Actress Susan Dey linked romantically to bass legend Jaco Pastorius. 3. Actor David Cassidy was actually the first choice by Mingus to record final album. 4. Percussionist Bobbye Hall featured on Don Juan's Reckless Daughter was the child actress who portrayed tamborine-prodigy Tracy Partridge. 5. Actor David Cassidy linked romantically to model Kilauren Gibb. 6. L.A. Express musicians Larry Carlton and Max Bennett were the real musicians on all of the Partridge Family recordings. 7. Actress Shirley Jones linked romantically to blues legend Furry Lewis. 8. Cartoon birds on Partridge Family opening credits designed by Joni art director Robbie Cavalana, inspired by Ladies Of The Canyon artwork. 9. Joni photographer Henry Diltz is also official photographer for his best friend David Cassidy. 10. Original working title of "I Think I Love You" was "I Think I Understand You." Discuss.... - -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:14:18 +0200 (CEST) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: Joni songs at the Vondelpark For JMDL-members in The Netherlands: Thursday evening Lydia van Dam will sing Joni Mitchell songs at the Vondelpark in Amsterdam (at 8 p.m.). It's a free concert. Monica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:22:01 +0200 (CEST) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: Vondelpark I forgot to mention that the concert by Lydia van Dam at the Vondelpark in Amsterdam will be TOMORROW evening (20th of August). Monica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:37:06 -0400 From: "Donald Fluke" Subject: Garden Report Finally caught up on all the digests. I can't find any more words to describe Joni's performance, than has already been said. She did give me that warm, fuzzy feeling. I would just like to add some impressions that happened to me. As the gates opened, my backpack was searched, and my camera overlooked, I ran down the pasture at Yasgur's to stake out our front row area. All the while running down that hillside, I was so excited, tears rolling down my cheeks, that soon it was going to happen. I am just so proud and enthused to be a part of the JMDL. What a wonderful, friendly, sincere bunch you all are. I hope Joni will make these moments happen again and again. When Lou Reed left the stage, the excitement in the crowd grew. Joni is next. Security tightened. Several people behind me had flowers for Joni, but security would not allow us to give them to her. At one point one the the security people said it was ok to give them to her. But...in the end it was not permitted. Sue Mc. tried also but was refused. Joni came out and the crowd loved her. She really was received well. The JMDL's enthusiasm leached into the crowd around us. As I changed the film in my camera, ready to shoot my next roll, is when Joni pulled out her camera, panned the crowd and photographed the JMDL'ers. Yes, Joni took our picture as we all stood behind Sue's banner. From my good vantage point Joni recognized us and was proud of us. She knows she can count on us, and I believe she looks for us when she performs. We did cheer the loudest. Some of us left after Joni to meet back at the RV. Probably a dozen people stopped at the RV to ask questions. Some were lurkers on the list, others were former listers, some knew of us, others had no idea, but the best-------- One guy said that he had followed the list for a while, and he had been able to sneak a video camera into the Garden. He taped some of Joni's performance. I am trying to obtain a copy of this. Looks like we may have our next Video Tree !!! There may also be a tape tree of this show. Who knows? keep you updated on the video don back in ft lauderdale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:57:12 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: The Ideal JMDL (NJC) Now, if everyone had their way, there would be separate lists for everyone's personality. 1. The straight, married JMDL 2. The straight, single JMDL 3. The gay, togethered JMDL 4. The gay, single JMDL 5. The JMDL for those over 18 6. The JMDL for those under 18 (All 3 of us! Yea!) :) 7. The JMDL for whining people 8. The JMDL for considerate people 9. The JMDL for in-your-face/back-talk/rude/multiple-diseased people 10. The JMDL for recluses 11. The JMDL for those who have been here since '96 and have never posted (That would be a VERY active list!) But I think this JMDL is the greatest one of them all!!! Yours truly, _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:10:05 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: Woodstock review on EW online Last Saturday, August 14, as Pete Townshend stood in a media tent on the onetime alfalfa field in Bethel, New York, where the 1969 Woodstock Festival was held, he remembered the original event without a trace of dewy-eyed nostalgia: "Everything other than the music, everything other than the actual gathering of people, turned out to be slightly flawed. There was suffering, difficulty and pain." He later added, "I wasn't using acid or smoking pot at the time. That was part of my dislocation from the festival. I suppose I sat there and sneered at everybody, really. I couldn't get into it." Townshend seemed to be in a better frame of mind at the August 14-16 event billed as A Day in the Garden. Not only did he wrap up Saturday's 10-hour concert (which included Donovan, Lou Reed, and Joni Mitchell) with a banter-filled set of both solo and Who hits (such as "Behind Blue Eyes"), but he seemed truly upbeat about the experience. "The very fact that someone has bought this bit of land and wants there to be music here, it tells you a lot about what really was important about the original occasion," Townshend said, referring to cable-TV mogul Alan Gerry, who bought the 2,000-acre farmland with plans for annual summer concerts and a theme park. "What this is doing is honoring what was meant to happen back then, picking up the pieces." The 20,000 or so adults and children who dotted the hillside on Saturday retained some pieces of the past. As booming bass notes shook the grass underfoot, scruffy hippies in tie-dye danced and puffed on hash pipes, and local merchants sold their handicrafts. But there was a new contingent too. Surveying the scene from portable lounge chairs, middle-aged concertgoers adjusted their pot bellies and sagging halter tops or hopped up to buy a $4.50 cappuccino from the concession stand. "If you don't have enough money," an emcee anounced between sets, "there's an ATM machine up on the side." Though there were relatively few veterans of the original Woodstock among the 28,000 or so younger viewers who came to see Dishwalla, Joan Osborne, and Third Eye Blind on Sunday, the older performers on the two preceding days were clearly catering to adults with active musical memories. Donovan sang "Atlantis," "Hurdy Gurdy Man" and other old-time hits; Richie Havens played "Here Comes the Sun" and "Freedom," and had his guitarist recreate the Hendrix version of the "Star Spangled Banner"; and Lou Reed (who didn't perform at the original festival) opened with the classics "Sweet Jane" and "Vicious" before moving onto later compositions. Though Joni Mitchell performed comparatively recent songs, many of them seemed to comment on the social changes since the last Woodstock ("Black Crow" about avarice; "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" about millennial doom). Called back for an encore, Mitchell admitted, "Well, I can't leave here without playing the theme song." But before performing "Woodstock," which she wrote without actually attending the first festival, she mentioned a few of the changes between now and then. "One of the hippie values I still adhere to is the Rainbow Coalition," she said. "But free love? We know there's no such thing now. Pay later, always." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #310 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?