From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #308 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 308 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History - August 15 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - August 18 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - August 16 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - August 17 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Clinton NJC [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Comedie of King Leer (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Today in Joni History - August 17 ["Don Rowe" ] Happy Birthday to Queen Amy/Gardeners wanted/Taming the Tiger? [Chilihead] Re: 51 cents on a dollar, or, A Story of Two Golfers (SJC) ["Don Rowe" ] VH=1 [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Clinton NJC [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Clinton NJC [catman ] Re: Clinton NJC [Heather ] Why I missed Woodstock [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] USA Today article ["amy" ] Voice Lessons [Chris Kornmann ] Clinton's Real Message -Let's Set The Record Straight (NJC) [TerryM2442@a] uns.ubscribing and e-mail change [Bounced Message ] Joni Top 10 for Clinton [Bounced Message ] NJC Judge Judy [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] VH1 ["Wong, Kai" ] Re: NJC Judge Judy [catman ] Re: Clinton's Real Message -Let's Set The Record Straight (NJC) [catman <] Re: Clinton's Real Message -Let's Set The Record Straight (NJC) [DKasc132] Re: more voting [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: NJC Judge Judy [Mark Domyancich ] RE: Fall Tour '98 [Don Sloan ] The Garden Posts/Web Pics [Don Sloan ] Re: Why I missed Woodstock [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Joni's Boyfriend/Husband-types ["Julie Z. Webb" ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] RE: Joni Top 10 for Clinton ["Happy The Man" ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Garden / FTR / Clinton [Alan Poff ] queen of song [pmc1@netcomuk.co.uk] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] Re:Brian's liner notes? [Helen Gill ] Re: Happy Birthday to bookmarks! [Helen Gill ] Re: A Day in the Garden [Mark or Travis ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] LA Times review [Steve Dulson ] "MAN at the Window"?! [some millers ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 15 1974: Joni performs the third of five nights at the Universal Amphitheater, Universal City, CA, which are being recorded for editing as Miles Of Aisles. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 18 1969: Joni records the Dick Cavett Show (broadcast tomorrow) with Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby (just back from Woodstock). She sings Chelsea Morning, Willie, For Free, and The Fiddle and the Drum.- - ----- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 16 1969: Joni performs with Crosby, Stills, and Nash in Chicago. 1974: (You guessed it!) 1974: Joni performs the fourth of five nights at the Universal Amphitheater, Universal City, CA, which are being recorded for editing as Miles Of Aisles. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - August 17 1969: Joni is scheduled to take part in the "Woodstock Music & Art Fair" in Bethel, NY, but ends up not going. Instead, she spends the day watching news reports of the event on TV in a New York hotel room. A number of explanations for her absence are circulating: 1) David Geffen advises her not to go because of a commitment to appear on Dick Cavett's TV talk show. 2) Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young - also scheduled on the Dick Cavett Show - - advise her not to go so that "someone will be on the show" in case they do not return in time. 3) There was a mixup at the airport with the helicopters and Joni got left behind. Here is Joni's version from the Edmonton Festival Press Conference 1994: "…I was the person that didn't get to attend. I just wrote the song which kind of glorified it. I was supposed to play Dick Cavett on Monday morning and it was a national disaster, and I went to the airport with CSN, we played in Chicago the night before, and we were all supposed to go with our manager, Elliot Roberts, and our agent, David Geffen. It was deemed that there was no way in so David [Geffen] and I went to Manhattan, the boys rented a plane and got in and then got out because they showed up at my TV show the next day. That night when I watched it on TV at Geffen's house I was the girl who couldn't go to the party." Contrast that with her introduction to the song “Woodstock” during a concert just 4 months after the event in 1969: "Everybody knows about Woodstock. I started off to go there... I was playing in Chicago and I was with my manager and another group. We had just finished playing in Chicago and they were on their way to the festival and I was on my way with them except that I had to do a television show the following Monday. So, Sunday afternoon we arrived at the New York airport and there were all sorts of hassles with helicopters and transportation into the festival so I got abandoned there. I got left behind and I felt really terrible. I went back into New York City and turned on my television in my hotel room and watched the little bits of it that they put on the news and felt sorry for myself... and then when I saw the magazine articles and pictures of it and everything I really, really felt sorry for myself because it'll never happen again of course... “ 1974: Joni performs the last of five nights at the Universal Amphitheater, Universal City, CA, which are being recorded for editing as Miles Of Aisles. List-member Steve Dulson was there (again) with his camera. See his photo at: http://members.aol.com/tinkerjoni/joni.html 1979: Joni performs in East Troy, Michigan on the Shadows and Light tour. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:44:35 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Clinton NJC I can't read!!!??? No way, man! >cannot read and then spout off rudely over stuff that wasn't said. Yawn. _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:44:43 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Comedie of King Leer (NJC) Thanks, Mark -- along with the faith restored by A Day In the Garden -- mine has now been restored by this wonderfully funny bit. Always knew I could count on the JMDL to maintain a refined sense of humor! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:52:57 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - August 17 Reading Joni's various recollections of her absence from the original Woodstock, I am reminded of a quote from my favorite author ... "We can become tyrannized by the accuracy of what we remember." -- John Irving. Seems this is so even for SIQUOMBs! :-) Don Rowe > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:59:07 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday to Queen Amy/Gardeners wanted/Taming the Tiger? Hi List! Happy Birthday Queen Amy! What a year for us JMDLers! Again, if you made it to the garden and would like one of my commemorative bookmarks (for Joni's book perhaps), please e-mail me with your address. Still looking for my tan and green jacket, I had an attachment to it. But if it does not come back may it be worn well. Speaking of attachments brings to mind the thread about Taming the Tiger and its possible meaning . dskARTS@concentric.netV wrote that he had found a Buddhist book w/ this title. I might as well come out of the closet and say that I am a practicing Zen Buddhist but not a fanatic. When I first heard the title I thought "Hmm sounds like Joni's been meditating". Taming the Tiger is a common buddhist phrase which to means the mind is like a tiger following its desires and cravings; it is tamed by walking the 8 fold noble path and through meditation and mindfulness. I wonder if Wally and Sue can enlighten us on the true meaning of the title, pun intended? Still blissed out! Debbie has been playing Joni music on the piano, last night "Rainy night house", "For Free" music from "The Piano" just drifting out of the house into the garden. I cut a big bouquet of flowers put them on her piano and said, " I love you!". Siquomb----she certainly is! And her devotees are something else, too! Love you guyz. Thanks for one of the best days of my life. Right up there with sailing in the Carribean!!! - - Bri PS. Can anyone let me know how to get into the joni chat rooms. I think it would be great if we set one up soon to talk about the show! A cyber Joni cafe......? Also, will be posting an article to Wally titled "Fine Gardening". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:10:11 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: 51 cents on a dollar, or, A Story of Two Golfers (SJC) Let me begin by saying I agree with you totally -- it's high time there was equal pay for equal work, equal compensation for equal performance, etc. What I'm left to wonder though, is that since this is the music business, aren't compensation issues decided in negotiations between artists' management and the event promoters? I'll defer to your legal expertise for an answer, but it seems different from something like a golf tournament, where the purse is allocated and divided well in advance ... or am I digging a hole for myself I can't get out of? Wouldn't be the first time! Hit 'em straight. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:11:17 -0700 From: "James A. Murray" Subject: '60s spirit infuses Garden party; By Jim Bessman, Special for USA TODAY (LJC) http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/lmds319.htm 08/17/98- Updated 08:45 AM ET The Nation's Homepage '60s spirit infuses Garden party BETHEL, N.Y. - Missing: The mud-encrusted masses of humanity that defined both 1969's Woodstock music festival and its 1994 anniversary. A Day in the Garden wasn't a sex-and-drugs free-for-all, either. But there was plenty of the old Woodstock's main ingredient - rock 'n' roll - at the three-day music festival held over the weekend here at Max Yasgur's farm, the original Woodstock site. And if a couple of expected performers weren't in evidence, the varied genres and cross-generational appeal of the stars who did get here made for a memorable affair. Of course, the near-total abandon of the half-million hippies who flocked here nearly 30 years ago was gone, probably for good. For this year's more manageable crowds (estimated at 18,000 Friday, 26,000 Saturday), the Garden was an expertly controlled experience, with each day's acts running pretty much on time from late morning through early evening. The huge stage was the same used by Garth Brooks in Central Park, and there were 30 food vendors and 400 portable toilets, in marked contrast to the absence of both at the first fest. There was a phone bank and a mobile cash machine and a play area for kids, a field hospital and four satellite first-aid stations - and a sturdy chain-link fence to keep '69-style gate-crashers from sharing space with those who'd shelled out up to $69 to get in. But there was very little outlandish behavior in evidence the first two days - all bets were off for Sunday's bill, featuring youth-oriented acts such as Third Eye Blind and Goo Goo Dolls - and when the music commenced Friday with Brit singer/songwriter Francis Dunnery's late-morning set, the crowd was largely paunchy, graying grown-ups with young kids in traditional tie-dye in tow. The operative word was "mellow," both for the crowd and for Dunnery: There wasn't even any cheering when he sang the lyric "You make me high," which surely was more about love than about the smoke-induced state of mind prevalent here in 1969. Certainly no herbal help was needed to groove to Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers' ecstatic set, which followed - albeit minus its big-name front man, son of late reggae hero Bob Marley. Taking over was Ziggy's brother, Stephen, otherwise a member of the Melody Makers' backing group, which includes sisters Cedella and Sharon on backup vocals. Their set was marked by versions of their dad's classic Rastaman Vibration and No Woman No Cry, both chilling in their evocation of the senior Marley's spirit. Then came Ten Years After, the recently reconstituted British boogie band that shot to fame after its performance of Goin' Home was featured in the 1970 Woodstock documentary. Almost 30 years after, guitarist Alvin Lee missed not a lick on that anthem, which further recalled the past with its extended jamming. A pair of still-active '70s artists closed out Friday's lineup. Don Henley's set mixed songs of John Hiatt, Leonard Cohen and Bruce Hornsby with his own estimable solo and Eagles hits; he was followed by an emotional Stevie Nicks, wrapping up a tour promoting her career-retrospective boxed set, Enchanted. This being Woodstock - or at least a facsimile thereof, since the original presenters own the rights to that name - it began to rain during Nicks' set, but her frequent costume changes gave the crew time to towel down the stage. Three vintage folkies made up the first half of Saturday's schedule. Woodstock original Melanie, a regular at unofficial annual celebrations at the site, was particularly charming and a marked contrast to the generally mercenary nature of this festival, speaking out in behalf of Amnesty International before launching into Freedom Knows My Name. She was followed by Donovan, whose warbling vibrato remains intact, and Richie Havens, who recaptured the '69 spirit with songs of Bob Dylan and '60s peace-and-love vibes that hit home with the aging hippies in the crowd. Lou Reed, whose Velvet Underground bridged the Woodstock generation and the '70s punk-rock wave, was an abrupt stylistic change. His riveting quartet pumped at full throttle on the Velvet classic Sweet Jane and his early solo hit Vicious. Joni Mitchell followed with a diametrically different set relying heavily on her jazzier free-form side and including songs from her forthcoming album Taming the Tiger. Pete Townshend's day-ending show was spectacular, with highlights including The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again, capped by his trademark windmill guitar licks, and the surprise addition of guitarist Taj Mahal for a blues segment. (Maybe that was to make up for the absence of Ringo Starr's drummer son, Zac Starkey, talked up in advance as an addition to Townshend's band.) Also unexpected: Townshend's dedication of Behind Blue Eyes to late Yippie leader Abbie Hoffman, whom Townshend yanked off the stage when he interrupted The Who's 1969 set, trying to politicize the Woodstock Nation. Other ghosts of Woodstock past were invoked by Melanie, whose rendition of Beautiful People identified the departed Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Keith Moon and even Max Yasgur, the dairy farmer whose hospitality made the first Woodstock possible. Havens' set, meanwhile, climaxed with a tribute to Hendrix's famed Woodstock performance of the national anthem, and Mitchell for an encore offered Woodstock - whose lyrics gave A Day in the Garden its name. Townshend also cleverly opened his set with On the Road Again, by original Woodstockers Canned Heat, and closed it with the See Me, Feel Me grand finale from Tommy - which ran till dawn the night The Who did it here in 1969 and this time featured a local 26-piece gospel choir. About the only sour note was sounded by Henley, who prefaced The End of the Innocence with a gibe at efforts to make these hallowed grounds the site of an annual commercial venture. But the quality of the Garden performances and the smooth operation make it likely Yasgur's farm will become a living monument to a still-resonating memory. By Jim Bessman, Special for USA TODAY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:31:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Clinton NJC Well it seems you can't. You shot your gob off about stuff that wasn't written. I call that being unable to read. Mark Domyancich wrote: > I can't read!!!??? No way, man! > > >cannot read and then spout off rudely over stuff that wasn't said. > > Yawn. > > _____________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | > |___________________________| - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:55:59 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: VH=1 Kay, What a GREAT letter to VH-1. I hope you get a personal response and your letter is taken to heart over there! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:57:37 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Clinton NJC Have you ever been given the finger by someone when you were watching the tube. Well, yesterday's speech by Clinton certainly felt that way to me. What a LIAR he is. It was probably the most telling moment of his character I'd ever seen. I was amazed. I hope that his sentiments come back and bite him in the ass. He is obviously dillusional. "Untouchable" in his own eyes. Above it all. Not even an apology to Monica for dragging her climbing viper self through the mud (I'm giving her some slack because I'd done some pretty stupid things when I was 21 too). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:42:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Clinton NJC That made me laugh! The answer to your question is yes. All the time. So many people in power think they are the Absolute Truth. Dear Maggie was one of them and the whole Tory party had the same attitude. It was such a spectacle watching their faces, in the last election, as they, one by one, lost their seats. Talk about being brought down a peg or two! I am reading a book about the Money Markets right now. What an eye opener it is. It is such a pity we let ourselves get way laid from our initial good intentions by the love of power and the belief that we know what is best for others. It seems to me that those who believe they know best are very dangerous indeed. colin DKasc13293@aol.com wrote: > Have you ever been given the finger by someone when you were watching the > tube. > > Well, yesterday's speech by Clinton certainly felt that way to me. What a > LIAR he is. It was probably the most telling moment of his character I'd ever > seen. I was amazed. I hope that his sentiments come back and bite him in the > ass. > > He is obviously dillusional. "Untouchable" in his own eyes. Above it all. > Not even an apology to Monica for dragging her climbing viper self through the > mud (I'm giving her some slack because I'd done some pretty stupid things when > I was 21 too). - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:55:05 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Clinton NJC At 02:57 PM 8/18/98 EDT, you wrote: > It was probably the most telling moment of his character I'd ever >seen. I was amazed. I hope that his sentiments come back and bite him in the >ass. > >He is obviously dillusional. "Untouchable" in his own eyes. Above it all. >Not even an apology to Monica for dragging her climbing viper self through the >mud (I'm giving her some slack because I'd done some pretty stupid things when >I was 21 too). > Clinton doesn't surprise me. It seems he sets the pace for all management in America today, at least where I have worked. I've seen managers fashion themselves right after Clinton. I've heard so much delusional stuff from management in big companies - I always wondered where they get it from - now I know. When I was up in Canada all my relatives wanted to know our opinion on the Clinton / Monica thing. When we said we were sick of it and weren't paying attention to it on TV ... well, they were kinda in shock. They thought it was the biggest soap opera going (in fun)! My .02 worth... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Why I missed Woodstock Subtitled: How Fate kept me from seeing Joni Mitchell for the 2nd time. I'm enjoying the reports almost as much as I enjoyed listening to the entire Saturday show over the internet. While the sound was poor, and I could get no pictures, I did not lose the feed all day, and was able to listen to the entire day with my WebTV® plugged into my stereo and cranked. So, why was'nt I there? Oh, how I wish I was. Fate began conspiring against me the prior weekend when our 5 year old car began having problems for the first time ever. It had to be towed on Monday to the dealer where the distributor had to be replaced. The car was looked over and a small leak was discovered in the radiator as well. We got the car back on Wednesday with a new distributor but we opted to get the radiator fixed or replaced elsewhere at a later date. We decided, then, to rent a car for Saturday for just $30 and unlimited mileage. The weather forecast looked positive and I was psyched. Then it happened. I was getting something out of the freezer Wed. night when a frozen 16oz. mug fell from the freezer and landed it's edge squarely on my little toe (barefoot). OUCH!!! By Saturday I was still unable to walk very well or very far. Now some of you diehards might have went anyway and limped or used crutches ( which I have in the attic) but I've been there, done that, and my heart was just no longer in it. So I stayed home and listened over the net feeling sorry for myself. I've only now found the heart to write this up. I won't repeat the story of how I missed her in '93. But she is the last of my Top Ten Favorites that I have yet to see. I am sincerely hoping for that Fall tour and look forward to meeting all of you there. Until then, I wait. Oh yeah, I'm glad it did not rain on those of you who attended and the pictures look grate. gratefuldave NP: Tape of the Day 8/18/80 David Bromberg Band: My Father's Place, Old Roslyn, NY. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:15:01 -0400 From: "amy" Subject: USA Today article How can I find a past article or BACK ISSUE of the USA TODAY newspaper? You can find many articles by clicking on the SEARCH button on USA TODAY Online's front page. Archives of past stories are not yet available on-line to the public. To track down an article that appeared in a past issue of USA TODAY, Baseball Weekly, Gannett News Service or USA Weekend, call Research Line at 703-276-5864. Hours are Monday through Friday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. ET. Research Line is a fee-based service. If you need a specific back issue of USA TODAY and you know the date, call the USA TODAY Customer Service Center at 800-872-0001. The cost is $2.00 for each back issue, plus shipping & handling. Each order must be prepaid either with an American Express, Visa or Master Card. If you would prefer to mail a check or money order, please call for the total cost. ...I called, it costs $3.95, and will be here within 3-5 days...hope this helps...amy (date of issue 8/17/98) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:28:17 -0400 From: Chris Kornmann Subject: Voice Lessons Joy Askew is giving a series of workshops in NYC on singing / harmony / the voice / technique and songs starting at the end of August. Those interested in attending can E-mail her at JAskew96@aol.com to find out further details. Space is limited and the workshops will be mostly participatory. Also, she is playing a gig this Saturday in New York City. Hope to see you there. Joy Askew Saturday, August 22 The Living Room 84 Stanton Street (corner of Stanton & Allen) 8:30 pm FREE! Chris Kornmann Art Director CMJ New Music Report (516) 498-3137 chrisk@cmj.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:41:25 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Clinton's Real Message -Let's Set The Record Straight (NJC) My fellow Americans, I've decided to do my part to put an end to the speculation, rumors and political bickering that has been rampant across the country for the past weeks. I want to do what's right and speak to you tonight with honesty, integrity and sincerity....I banged her. I banged her like a cheap gong. Which is not news, folks, because if you think Monica Lewinsky was the only skin flute player in my orchestra, you haven't been paying attention. The only babes in D.C. I haven't tried to do are the First Lady, Reno, Albright, and Shalala, mostly because they're a little older than I like and they have legs that former Houston Oiler Earl Campbell would envy. Which isn't to say I don't appreciate Hillary...I do. If not for the ice-water coursing through her veins, I'd be pumping gas into farm equipment in Hope, Arkansas, and she'd be married to the President. So, let me set the record straight. I dodged the draft, hid FBI files, smoked dope, flipped Whitewater property, set up a new Korean wing in the White House, fired the travel staff, paid hush money to Hubbell, sold the Lincoln bedroom like an upscale Motel 6, and grabbed every ass that entered the Oval Office. Got it? Good. Six years ago, there's not a man, woman, or child who didn't know I was as horny as Woody Allen. But, you elected me anyway, which turned out to be a good move on your part. Your other choice was Bush, an aging baseball player and part-time resident of some place called "Kennebunkport" who thought he could bomb his way into the White House. Before him, it was Reagan, who left the office with the same Alzheimer's he came in with. There was Carter before him who brought you a 17% prime interest rate, smiling the whole time like his lithium drip had just kicked in. Nixon before that coined, but never really understood, the concept of 'plausible deniability', and almost got a one-way ticket to San Clemente for his crackerjack style of governing. Johnson was an inbred, power-maniac war criminal whose major contribution to American society was Agent Orange. And John Kennedy, who was a little naughty himself, didn't hang around long enough for America to spot that curious atavistic tic for "beaver-wrestling" shared by at least a dozen former residents of the White House. Which brings me back to my point. Since I have been strumming the banjo here at the White House, government is doing more for less. The budget is balanced for the first time since JFK did a one gun salute to Marilyn, a fact the press didn't seem to care about, evidently. Unemployment is so low today a blind felon can get a job as a night-watchman. And the stock market is higher than a D-student on a full gram of dumb-dust, and anyone with a degree from a junior college who can spell 'internet' has enough money to ponder the annual maintenance of his boat, instead of where his or her next meal is coming from. Bottom line: I'm running a country here and I'm doing it with my pecker showing. What I'm asking for is your support, not a date with your daughter...unless, of course, she's a hotty with thin ankles, and then I'd like to discuss it. In the meantime, think about where you are today and what kind of life you're living before you get too interested in which garage I'm parking the Presidential limousine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:49:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: uns.ubscribing and e-mail change Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:31:24 -0700 From: Liz Johnson Hello All, I have decided to leave my job, today is my last day. My partner knows and now all of you Joni fans know too. I haven't mentioned it to my boss yet though. Anyway, I have unsubscribed to the list but will resubscribe this evening from my home e-mail address. Thanks for your support during this difficult time in my life. My home address is: bamm_bamm@juno.com best wishes, Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:51:02 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni Top 10 for Clinton From: "Don Rowe" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:37:06 PDT We all know Clinton had the mighty Fleetwood Mac play at the inaugural ball. But he might want to consider a new themesong in light of the recent goings-on. Top 10 Joni songs from the home office in St. Louis: 10. My Secret Place 9. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio 8. Snakes and Ladders 7. Ray's Dad's Cadillac 6. Help Me 5. Blue Motel Room 4. Wild Things Run Fast 3. Strange Boy 2. Coyote and the #1 Joni song for Clinton's new theme ... Sex Kills Sorry, couldn't resist :-) Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 21:52:12 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: NJC Judge Judy Judge Judy has come up on this list a bunch of times over the past few weeks, and it seems like she has alot of fans and supporters here, though I'm at a bit of a loss as to why... I've watched her show a couple of times and personally dislike it. She comes across as a mean, tyrannical woman who fancies herself to have cornered the market on sound judgement, when in fact her deepest commitment seems to be showing people who's boss (her). Is justice Just Ice? -Kenny On 8/18/98 Jerry Notaro wrote: Mark Domyancich wrote: Mark, leaving this thread behind and going to watch Judge Judy (She'd know how to run a country!) :) Yeah! Judy Judy for Empress! Judge Judy fans come out of the closet. "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining." JJ Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:54:34 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: VH1 Just sent an email to VH1 to request joni's new single from TTT and also for a joni feature on Legends and Storytellers. Kai still a clinton supporter, wishing hillary would run in 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:11:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Judge Judy Yes Kenny I think you are possibly right. But I can't help admiring her and being amused by her. Thank God she isn't my mother! tho come to think of it, my real mother would have beat her hands down in the always right stakes. Did I tell she was fried from the SS for being too mean? How she produced a son as wonderful as I will remain a mystery. colin Kenny Grant wrote: > Judge Judy has come up on this list a bunch of times over the past few weeks, > and it seems like she has alot of fans and supporters here, though I'm at a bit > of a loss as to why... > > I've watched her show a couple of times and personally dislike it. She comes > across as a mean, tyrannical woman who fancies herself to have cornered the > market on sound judgement, when in fact her deepest commitment seems to be > showing people who's boss (her). > > Is justice Just Ice? > > -Kenny > > On 8/18/98 Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Mark Domyancich wrote: Mark, leaving this thread behind and going to watch > Judge Judy (She'd know how to run a country!) :) > > Yeah! Judy Judy for Empress! Judge Judy fans come out of the closet. > "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining." JJ > > Jerry > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:15:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Clinton's Real Message -Let's Set The Record Straight (NJC) Terry-did you make that up? It was very good. John thinks so too. I think the 'fallen' often make better leaders-if they can see themselves and others cearly. Saints tend to have no tolerance for shortcomings in others and as a result can be dangerous. Although I not an American, I feel safer with him than Bush or Reagan. Howrad was right-what happens in the USA is of imprtance to everyone else. The big fear here in the 80's was that Reagan was going to blow us all up(failing that Maggie would). colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:18:33 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Clinton's Real Message -Let's Set The Record Straight (NJC) In a message dated 98-08-18 17:43:32 EDT, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Bottom line: I'm running a country here >> I think Hillary is running the country now! I'd say it's her people behind filegate, a very powerful group. Bill's real passion/power play of getting people to suck his dick on call, may be on hold only for the moment. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 22:21:31 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: more voting I voted last night, it was so difficult to choose only *10* from their 70s list that I didn't even think about "adding in" -- except for Hejira :-) Howard, thanks for pointing out Harvest -- gonna put it in now -- definately an incredible album. Didn't realize it was missing till you mentioned it, though I did vote for After The Gold Rush. LOTS of great music from the 70s. Was surprised to notice how many of my favorites (Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Rod Stewart) were *early* 70s (70-73), as I was barely in my teens then...so much of the early 70s stuff remained prominent on the airwaves throughout the decade...and beyond. -Kenny On 8/18/98 Howard Motyl wrote: Hejira got my vote as did C&S. Neil Young's "Harvest" was not on the list--so I had to vote for that. what an amazing album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:44:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: NJC Judge Judy That's what's so great about her! (Sorry for the bad English!) She reminds me so much of my principal in grade school-she's got those evil-looking eyebrows and that sinister smile when she first comes into the courtroom. It's the plaintiff's and the defendant's own decision on going on the 'show.' I personally wouldn't go on it, but some of the cases are really great. Her verdicts, on the other hand, totally suck most of the time. She's still a really funny lady. Is it turning out to be Jerry Springer? I can see this happening... At 9:52 PM +0000 8/18/98, Kenny Grant wrote: >Judge Judy has come up on this list a bunch of times over the past few weeks, >and it seems like she has alot of fans and supporters here, though I'm at >a bit >of a loss as to why... > >I've watched her show a couple of times and personally dislike it. She comes >across as a mean, tyrannical woman who fancies herself to have cornered the >market on sound judgement, when in fact her deepest commitment seems to be >showing people who's boss (her). > >Is justice Just Ice? > > -Kenny _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:01:04 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: RE: Fall Tour '98 FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Robert Holliston wrote: > > > >>Or, if she ends up touring with the Brian Blade Fellowship, I'd be > >>very > happy to hear them do an instrumental set at the top of the > >>show > > I like this idea. She doesn't need an opening act, but having the band do a > few instrumentals before the singer comes on is a tried and true jazz > tradition, and since she's doing standards like Summertime and Comes Love, > it's appropriate. > > - -Fred I agree that this might work just fine. I recently picked up Brian's CD and it is wonderful stuff. I saw Frank Sinatra in '84 and Buddy Rich opened for him, then backed him. It worked pefectly and was way cooool. Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:10:30 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: The Garden Posts/Web Pics Thanks to all for posting such colorful snapshots of your experiences at The Garden. I'm really happy for everyone able to attend - quite clear you all had a fabulous time! I'm wondering now why I didn't break out the plastic and travel back from the West Coast.... but more hopeful than ever there will be a tour for TTT that will bring Joni back to L.A. Also, thanks to Sue for the beautiful photos on Wally's site and to Ken for another great graphic... excellent!! Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 23:12:56 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Why I missed Woodstock Hey Dave, My reasons for skipping it weren't as good as yours. I've simply *never* enjoyed a large outdoor concert in an open space (read Central Park). The last time I went to one -- about 5 years ago -- I was so far from the stage that I didn't even know I was at a concert, and the sea of people surrounding me reminded me of that Star Trek episode when Kirk, Spock and Bones arrived at the over-populated planet. I had such a bad time that I effectively blocked the whole event from my memory, I don't even recall who was playing -- but it must have been someone I wanted to see :-) Anyway, reading about the great space close to the stage that my fellow JMDLRs secured, I of course want to *kick myself* for not taking the 2 hour trip from the city. My only consolation is knowing that those 76 minutes were literally "the blink of an eye" -- as was the Vancouver show I was fortunate to attend in May. Keep those Garden posts coming, folks, I'm enjoying living the event vicariously through you, there is *so much* your eyes and ears captured that was missing from my WEBCAST...hehehe. It was lots of fun hanging out with Cul, Marsha, Terry and JamieJake in the chat room during the concert and comparing notes on Joni's breathtaking performance, but I really could have done *without* the repeated photos of "Fawn, The Farting Princess" that some moronic idiot kept uploading to the chatroom. It reminded me of the adventures and trevails of Whirly Pearl when she was in California to see Joni, who after a series of mishaps kept asking herself "why can't I experience complete joy without all these interuptions" :-) Anyway, I too am crossing my fingers for a Joni tour this fall!!! Do you think if we started a petition and sent it to her management it would increase the chances of a tour??? -Kenny On 8/18/98 gr8fuldave wrote: I'm enjoying the reports almost as much as I enjoyed listening to the entire Saturday show over the internet. While the sound was poor, and I could get no pictures, I did not lose the feed all day So, why was'nt I there? Oh, how I wish I was. Then it happened. I was getting something out of the freezer Wed. night when a frozen 16oz. mug fell from the freezer and landed it's edge squarely on my little toe (barefoot). OUCH!!! By Saturday I was still unable to walk very well or very far. Now some of you diehards might have went anyway and limped or used crutches ( which I have in the attic) but I've been there, done that, and my heart was just no longer in it. I am sincerely hoping for that Fall tour and look forward to meeting all of you there. Until then, I wait. Oh yeah, I'm glad it did not rain on those of you who attended and the pictures look grate. gratefuldave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:35 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Joni's Boyfriend/Husband-types At 03:51 PM 8/18/98 -0600, Dan Rowe wrote: >recent goings-on. Top 10 Joni songs from the home office in St. Louis: >10. My Secret Place >9. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio >8. Snakes and Ladders >7. Ray's Dad's Cadillac >6. Help Me >5. Blue Motel Room >4. Wild Things Run Fast >3. Strange Boy >2. Coyote >Sex Kills This is very funny to me, because it reminds me of former NY TIMES columnist, Anna Quindlen. In one of her columns she had some frivoulous fun by dividing the men she had loved into two categories: 1. The undependable, yet magnetic "Boyfriend-types" and 2. The responsible and dependable "Husband-types." She went on to describe Bill Clinton as the the stereotypical "Boyfriend-type" and Al Gore--- the stereotypical "Husband-type." When you take into account the lyrics of Joni's songs, it seems as if she has often written about the "Boyfriend-types," which may be another reason we are drawn to her lyrics. (Although Id have to say, that Larry Klein definately fits the "husband-type; where as John Guerin is as "boyfriend" as you can get. Graham Nash is definately a "husband." However Neil Young gets a "boyfriend" label here. Jack Nicholson & Warren Beatty just may work out to be an anagram for B-O-Y-F-R-I-E-N-D. Don Freed seems on the "husband-ish" side to me.) -JulieZW, who married a "boyfriend" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:36:56 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: Joni Top 10 for Clinton I would think the number one song would be Cherokee Louise. Something about Her Foster President yanking her to her knees. > > We all know Clinton had the mighty Fleetwood Mac play at the inaugural > ball. But he might want to consider a new themesong in light of the > recent goings-on. Top 10 Joni songs from the home office in St. Louis: > > 10. My Secret Place > 9. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio > 8. Snakes and Ladders > 7. Ray's Dad's Cadillac > 6. Help Me > 5. Blue Motel Room > 4. Wild Things Run Fast > 3. Strange Boy > 2. Coyote > > and the #1 Joni song for Clinton's new theme ... > > Sex Kills > > Sorry, couldn't resist :-) > > Don Rowe > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:39:21 -0500 From: Alan Poff Subject: Garden / FTR / Clinton Such an active list! A few random thoughts: - - Thank you so much, Wally and Sue, for posting the photos from the Garden. I've never seen Joni in concert; I sure hope there is TTT tour and that I'm able to catch it. - - Kakki, I'm with you on FTR. I think it's very much overlooked. People rave about tHoSL, but for my taste, I couldn't put it ahead of FTR. With one caveat, perhaps FTR is a little less consistent. But still, the title track, Woman of Heart and Mind, Judgment of the Moon and Stars... That's Joni at her finest; brilliantly perceptive, highlighting the dichotomy of the positive and negative perspective, honest about love yet still romantic, melancholy yet defiant, beautiful music... Really wonderful stuff. - - A request: Please, please, please, can we not talk about Clinton here?? If the rest of the world wondered if we were a country largely populated by "puritanical hypocrites" before this, they must be sure of it by now. I don't know what is more embarrassing for our country, his behavior, or our attention to it. I am so sick of it. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:03:37 +0100 From: pmc1@netcomuk.co.uk Subject: queen of song I know this is a bit naughty but does anyone know where to find recordings of Joni`s unreleased material etc. or have any information on the forthcoming box set. I`d be a very happy fan indeed. Damian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:08:42 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re:Brian's liner notes? what does it say about Joni in brian blade's liner notes? all sorts of lovelies I assume! helen. (who is still campaigning for a joni radio special here in Melbourne, Aust.) (and still trying to get Joni over here before *I* die!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:15:06 +1000 (EST) From: Helen Gill Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to bookmarks! On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 Chilihead2@aol.com wrote: > What a year for us JMDLers! Again, if you made it to the garden and would like > one of my commemorative bookmarks (for Joni's book perhaps), please e-mail me > with your address. Does that mean if we were unlucky enough not to go then we don't get one? ;-) oooooooh plplplplelleeeeeaaaaseeee. :-D helly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:24:38 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Clinton NJC Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Mark Domyancich wrote: Mark, leaving this thread behind and going to watch > Judge Judy (She'd know how to run a country!) :) > > Yeah! Judy Judy for Empress! Judge Judy fans come out of the closet. > "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining." JJ > > Jerry When I was on vacation last month I got to see several Judge Judy shows. It was some of the most entertaining television I've ever seen. They should turn her loose on some of those momos that show up on Jerry Springer, Sally Jesse and the like. Judge Judy don't take no crap from NObody! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:35:57 -0700 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: A Day in the Garden amy wrote: > > Woke up and it's my birthday morning and the first thing that I knew... > there were happy birthday greetings... > from lovely folks like you..... And I should clarify > that this was my first Joni concert......when they > announced her name, my throat tightened like I had swallowed a grapefruit, > the tears sprang to my eyes and all the noise and confusion around me > vanished as I focused on this incredible woman...she was everything I had > hoped for and more. Happy Birthday, Amy! This was a wonderful post! I saw Joni for the very first time in my life just this last May at the Gorge and you expressed exactly how I felt and did it beautifully. Thank you and welcome to the JMDL! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:17:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA Times review Here is the relevant paragraph from the LA Times review of the Garden event: Mitchell saved the inevitable "Woodstock" for her encore, but aside from a handful of old chestnuts (including "Coyote" and "Just Like This Train") led her excellent quartet through a jazz-inflected set that showcased songs from her upcoming album, "Taming The Tiger", before concluding with a fine version of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man." By John Milward Special to the Times. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: some millers Subject: "MAN at the Window"?! Did the Daily News reporter actually make this humerous mistake (see excerpt below), or was it some kind of transcription error? I'm new to this forum and I found this message among my first day's batch of transmissions. I'd be interested to see what Joni would come-up with if she were to rework her lyrics to fit that title (The Man at the Window)! On a more serious note, thanks to Sue McNamara for providing the brilliant photo of Larry Klein gazing awestruck, with his bass "parked" in the foreground, as Joni so tremendously handled "MOON at the Window" on her own. That photo perfectly captures something I tried to convey in my elctronic epistle account of Joni's gift to all of us present that day. IMHO, that picture greatly exceeds the worth of 1,000 words. Still Savoring Saturday... Paul >Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:16:19 -0400 >From: DSKittrell >Subject: NY Daily News review >'GARDEN: YOU CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN' >By Jim Farber >Daily News Staff Writer >Opening with "Hejira," Mitchell stressed rare material, like >1983's "The Man at the Window," "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," and three >songs from her upcoming album. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #308 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?