From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #307 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 307 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NY Daily News review [DSKittrell ] the name TTT [DSKittrell ] Joni's Day In The Garden (kinda long, sorry!) [Hassan Zubairi ] VH1 and JM [Howard Motyl ] Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory [catman ] Re: Gardeners (SJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: Fall Tour '98 [Susan McNamara ] Clinton NJC [Howard Motyl ] Re: Clinton NJC [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni's Day In The Garden [Marsha ] Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now [Susan McNamara ] Re: Clinton NJC [Howard Motyl ] more voting [Howard Motyl ] Joni's photos ["Julie Z. Webb" ] (SJC) Garden glow... [Kate Tarasenko ] Joni Mitchell ["Kay Ashley" ] JC: Garden coverage [Kate Tarasenko ] TTT Cover [Wally Breese ] Re: Clinton NJC [catman ] 51 cents on a dollar, or, A Story of Two Golfers (SJC) [Mary Pitassi ] 1st Single [Steve Dulson ] Faith Renewed! [Roger Walker ] Re: Clinton NJC [Michael Heath ] Re: Gardeners (SJC) [Heather ] Comedie of King Leer (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:16:19 -0400 From: DSKittrell Subject: NY Daily News review Here's the whole review, with ***** at the specifically Joni paragraph in case you're in a hurry: 'GARDEN: YOU CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN' Crowd has a groovy time At Woodstock anniversary, But '60s nostalgia artists pale Next to those who moved on By Jim Farber Daily News Staff Writer Naivete isn't pretty in the middle-aged. So how could a bunch of grown-up artists possibly comport themselves at the 29th anniversary of Woodstock, one of this century's most starry-eyed events? Two approaches arose at "A Day in the Garden," an event which took place this past weekend at the original site of the biggest music festival and the worst traffic jam in the history of New York. The News attended Saturday's show since that day featured the most artists who had appeared at the original (Pete Townshend, Melanie, Richie Havens), plus one who rarely plays live at all (Joni Mitchell, who hasn't appeared locally in 15 years). By contrast, the event's first day offered frequently seen stars associated with the '70s, like Stevie Nicks and Don Henley. Day three displayed an array of totday's stars who'll double as tomorrow's one-hit-wonders, like Third-Eye Blind and Marcy Playground. Saturday's 10-hour show divided neatly into sets by artists out to defiantly recycle the messages of the '60s without amendment, and those who used the Woodstock context as an excuse to show how far they've traveled in the time since. Melanie, who opened the day, still bellows odes to "sisters in the sun, and intones "that all men can be brothers." The tie-dye-clad listeners in their 30s, 40s and 50s, who dominated the crowd, treated it all like a ride at a hippie theme park of the mind. At least the dreamy singer still owns a powerful set of pipes. Donovan's hit-packed set also remained a period piece. He's still got that echo'd tremelo and can claim songs ranging from the sweetly camp ("Mellow Yellow") to the stupendously silly ("Atlantis"). At one point he told the crowd to "close your eyes and visualize the future of peace." Richie Havens stayed in the time warp, too, serving up Woodstock I songs like "Handsome Johnny." Things didn't get interesting until Lou Reed took the stage. Using a stripped setup of two guitars, bass and drums, Reed delivered the day's first explosion of stone cold rock. His crack band proved so coiled and sinewy that even the weekest material, like "Egg Creme," burst with life. Injecting Reed anthems like "Vicious," and "Kicks" into the world of Woodstock proved perversely inspired. Reed's earliest work alwasy contrasted the media image of hippie earnestness with a more decadent, ironic and interesting underbelly of the '60s counterculture. Here his scathing playing made his middle age seem anything but mellow and this event anything but nostalgic. ******** Joni Mitchell had no intention of looking back, either. As in her recent West Coast shows, her 15-song set stressed an uncompromising jazz bent. Armed with her own oddly tuned electric guitar, along with Larry Klein on pedal steel, Mark Isham on trumpet and a woozy rhythm section, Mitchell created a gorgeous murmur of a sound. Her voice, ever-deepening through her unrepentent smoking, now sounds closer to the jazz great Annie Ross. Opening with "Hejira," Mitchell stressed rare material, like 1983's "The Man at the Window," "Slouching Towards Bethlehem," and three songs from her upcoming album. She also delivered Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man" with inventive phrasing, and a taut "Big Yellow Taxi." But she really spiked the punch by re-casting "Woodstock" as a dark and mournful ode to botched opportunities and human limitations. Pete Townshend clearly holds equally few illusions about the '60s. While toasting his experience in the era, he said, "I don't want it back." He treated his old just as irreverently, using them as jumping-off points for jams with a spare backup band featuring synthetic percussion. His at-times-chaotic two-hour set veered from an expansive "The Kids Are Alright" to an endless "Save It For Later." Certainly, the result had spontaneity on its side. But is also showed a rich personality. Like the smartest artists here, Townshend drew on the past and his youth only to hammer out something experienced and new. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:12:18 -0400 From: DSKittrell Subject: the name TTT Wasn't there a brief discussion not so long ago about what "Taming the Tiger" refers to? I just found this blurb at the back of my recently purchased Buddhist handbook (my first thought was WOW, JONI'S HERE???!!! (I'm beyond ready for her new album)). I don't remember this source/idea being mentioned. "TAMING THE TIGER, Tibetan Teachings on Right Conduct, Mindfulness, and Universal Compassion" by Akong Tulku Rinpoche, 1996. "With wit and wisdom, Akong Tulku Rinpoche teaches how to tame the tiger of the mind -- a necessary step on the path to self-mastery and joy. He explores the pitfalls that result from our habits of thought and provides a series of potent exercises by which to change our patterns of living." Don't know if "taming the tiger" is a common phrase among Buddhists, but I'll bet Joni knows about it (after reading about her at Woodstock, I'm again convinced: Joni knows everything). P.S. THANKS to all the Woodstock goers for sharing your experience!!!! I love the early photos (so soon) and all the detailed descriptions!! She looks great -- like a kid at a picnic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:14:46 +-100 From: Hassan Zubairi Subject: Joni's Day In The Garden (kinda long, sorry!) Folks, Saturday night was an amazing night for me. I had to watch Joni at my brother's place because I don't have a computer of my own at home. He gladly set up the RealAudio updates for me. And I did have to sit thru' 45 mins of Lou Reed which was okay, since I was a fledgling fan some years back. I guess I like his classics. I went to the chatroom and basically had a nice time talking to some of the others who couldn't get to Bethel: cul Kenny Marsha JJJ email me anytime guys! anyone else I forgot, it was because I was in Dreamland for the rest to the time. Thankyou to everybody that wrote a review. Reading your responses and your observations was enlightening. TO all of us that were on the web, I can't believe that we were joined for those 76 mins by someone that comes in to your life and changes all the markers and shifts the stones. I feel a stronger connection to you and Joni for having watched her LIVE! together. It was a bonding experience. Somehow. As cul pointed out we were joined from Canada, to the UK to everywhere in between. That was amazing. That was the first time I heard Trouble Man and Comes Love and they were amazing. I have never heard Joni get so articulate since Drycleaner. And the live version of Slouching was awesome. Vocally, the power and (emotional) range that she goes thru is breathtaking. I really want to see her. Summertime..... Just Like This Train ..... Hejira ..... Crazy Cries .... all beautiful, all highlights. Keep the energy for TTT up. I can't believe that we in the UK will get TTT before you do. Much Joni JamieJake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:46:13 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory Colin, I found your comments about Clinton right on target. I am SO WEARY of hearing anything at all about this topic, but if anybody's gonna talk, I am most interested in hearing the perspective of other countries. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:33:30 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Wallofsound.com '70s vote At 01:33 AM 8/18/98 -0400, you wrote: > >The '70s voting session is now open at http://www.wallofsound.com > DONE! I also added a vote for FTR. It was nice to see Blondie and the B-52's in there. heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:42:09 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: VH1 and JM >Also- I really think that we should start >calling vh1 and give a strong push for them >to give joni the attention she deserves. >You can't turn on any music channel without >seeing Madonna's face (--not that there's >anything wrong with that ;-) -- >It's about time they gave some real airtime >to joni. Anyone have a phone number and/or >email address for VH1? Corporate number for VH1: 212.258.8000 1515 Broadway New York, NY 10036 there are various people there to speak with but if you are going to call, ask for programming. They should probably hear more than others that JM is on the minds of their viewers. Their website: http://www.vh1.com/ and there are a variety of email addresses there. Good luck. I have something brewing that I wish I could tell you about . . . - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:10:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory Hi Deb-we get the same sort of nonsense here about the sex lives of politicians. really I think there are far more important things that politicians do that should be investigated. In my previous post I did not condemn Bill or America nor dismiss Hilary's feelings. I think my comments were quite clear regarding hypocrisy and the corrupt things that politicians are either steeped in or turn a blind eye to. Please note I am talking about politicians in general, not American ones!(as made clear in my previous post). I am glad we no longer have Reagan or Thatcher but I think in the long run there is little to choose between any of them. No one is perfect and the saying'power currupts...' unfortuantely applies too readily to politicians. Bill is big news here and has been for ages. I fail to see it's importance. It does appear as if Starr is out to get Bill for anything he can. Seems pointless as isn't this Bill's last term in office? he can't do a third, regardless? colin Deb Messling wrote: > Colin, I found your comments about Clinton right on target. I am SO > WEARY of hearing anything at all about this topic, but if anybody's > gonna talk, I am most interested in hearing the perspective of other > countries. > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:19:16 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now Hi Jan: Great to meet you at the garden! I wish I could have talked more with everyone but the day was a whirlwind. I am having so much fun checking out my pictures as they come back from developing. Here's my review of Both Sides Now. Don't buy it, read Wally's site from beginning to end. But if you must buy it, do it for the sadistic pleasure of counting how many times he is wrong, wrong, wrong about Joni's life and work. I am a rabid Joni fan as everyone knows, and I could not finish this book it pissed me off so bad. But that's just my humble opinion! Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:40:35 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Gardeners (SJC) In a message dated 8/18/98 1:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << Heather, thanks for shouting out Brain Blade's name with me as he walked out on stage. >> I heard that! I figured it must have been one of "ours"! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:24:18 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Fall Tour '98 I think that the idea of Joni touring with other big names is working great! It keeps her name up there in the big leagues and also exposes her to other serious fans who may not have tried her music before. If I had my way, I would love to see her tour with fellow Canadian Bruce Cockburn. That would be a brain feast. Otherwise I think she should stick to no openers. IMHO. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:20:07 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Clinton NJC >What Bill did was not moral. He has harmed his daughter-she is >the one who counts. However, what Bill did is peanuts by comparison. >How do you think Hillary feels? I know she has said she loves Bill >unconditionally-and all marriages should be like that. People make >mistakes >and they shouldn't be branded for them! I think Hillary would be out of there if it wasn't for politics or for the power of being the president's wife. What do you think she is going to say--I hate the bastard's guts? She is playing the political game as much as he is. I don't think Clinton should be impeached but I don't think he should be forgiven so easily. He is the president of the United States for chrissakes! Show some discretion. And this is not an isolated case--the other women who have come forward to talk about his escapades are only the women who came forward. How many others are there? We would not forgive this behaviour in everyday men, we should forgive it in the president either. Especially in the president, and *this* president who preaches one thing to women and does another. >You should do the same. You don't hear any of us Americans or Canadians >or Argentinians, etc. sticking our noses into how the Parlaiment is >screwed up (If it is). As for folks from other countries poking their noses into "American business"--well, you need to get real on that one. America and American policies affect the rest of the world--whether you like it or not--and Americans like it like that. We are always talking about how we are the police of the world and how we know what's right for the world and our system of gov't is the best. So, the rest of the world "poking their noses" into our affairs isn't so bad since whom we elect influences their lives, too. (One quick example is the Helms-Burton Act, which punishes any company/country in the world that trades with Cuba.) and we don't really care about the other countries Parliaments because we feel that their governments don't affect us, so why bother? We should care, but we don't. - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:34:32 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Clinton NJC >As for folks from other countries poking their noses into "American >business"--well, you need to get real on that one. America and American >policies affect the rest of the world--whether you like it or not--and >Americans like it like that. We are always talking about how we are the >police of the world and how we know what's right for the world and our >system of gov't is the best. So, the rest of the world "poking their >noses" into our affairs isn't so bad since whom we elect influences >their lives, too. (One quick example is the Helms-Burton Act, which >punishes any company/country in the world that trades with Cuba.) and >we don't really care about the other countries Parliaments because we >feel that their governments don't affect us, so why bother? We should >care, but we don't. No one said 'we know what's right for the world and our gov't is the best." Don't you think that's being a little egotistical? I was making the point that not one country is better off than another. Mark, leaving this thread behind and going to watch Judge Judy (She'd know how to run a country!) :) _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:36:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now I especially like how he compares every song to another musician! At 10:19 AM -0400 8/18/98, Susan McNamara wrote: >Hi Jan: > >Great to meet you at the garden! I wish I could have talked more with >everyone but the day was a whirlwind. I am having so much fun checking out >my pictures as they come back from developing. > >Here's my review of Both Sides Now. Don't buy it, read Wally's site from >beginning to end. But if you must buy it, do it for the sadistic pleasure >of counting how many times he is wrong, wrong, wrong about Joni's life and >work. I am a rabid Joni fan as everyone knows, and I could not finish this >book it pissed me off so bad. But that's just my humble opinion! > >Take care, Sue > > ____________________ > /____________________\ >||-------------------|| >|| Sue McNamara || >|| sem8@cornell.edu || >||___________________|| >|| O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > > >"It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:34:18 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Joni's Day In The Garden Hassan Zubairi wrote: > I went to the chatroom and basically had a nice time talking to some of the others > who couldn't get to Bethel: > cul > Kenny > Marsha > JJJ > TO all of us that were on the web, I can't believe that we were joined for those 76 > mins by someone that comes in to your life and changes all the markers and shifts > the stones. I feel a stronger connection to you and Joni for having watched her > LIVE! together. It was a bonding experience. Somehow. > As cul pointed out we were joined from Canada, to the UK to everywhere in between. > That was amazing. Hi, JamieJake, and members of our cybercommunity. This was a first and oh so special! Several have mentioned the magic of our hearing Joni live and communicating our reactions at the same time in the privacy of our homes around the world. All the more special as some of us have met in the flesh, and I know the afterglow of which you Bethel gatherers speak. I am gearing up for Joni touring and look forward to our having many more good times together. Thanks to everyone for the first-hand reports. Who would have thought a year ago while we were lamenting Joni's inaccessibility and lack of public appearances that our wishes would be met beyond belief? Looking forward to seeing more pages and pictures of Woodstock. My wish list for Joni tour locations: London, Paris, Vienna, Florence (I can dweem and fwy) Atlanta, New Orleans, Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Boston, Chicago, and Winnepeg (where I'll visit Gerald, who just bought a house). and of course, Joniland aka Los Angeles...again Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:46:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now Susan McNamara wrote: > read Wally's site from > beginning to end. Great advice, Sue. There is no better, accurate, and complete source for Joni information than Wally's site. And it's free and ever changing! Jerry np: Mary Chapin: Come On, Come On ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:50:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Clinton NJC Mark Domyancich wrote: Mark, leaving this thread behind and going to watch Judge Judy (She'd know how to run a country!) :) Yeah! Judy Judy for Empress! Judge Judy fans come out of the closet. "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining." JJ Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:50:38 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now And the most amazing photos, sounds and paintings, too!!! :-) >Susan McNamara wrote: > >> read Wally's site from >> beginning to end. > >Great advice, Sue. There is no better, accurate, and complete source for Joni >information than Wally's site. And it's free and ever changing! > >Jerry > >np: Mary Chapin: Come On, Come On ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:45:10 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Clinton NJC Mark Domyancich wrote: > > >As for folks from other countries poking their noses into "American > >business"--well, you need to get real on that one. America and American > >policies affect the rest of the world--whether you like it or not--and > >Americans like it like that. We are always talking about how we are the > >police of the world and how we know what's right for the world and our > >system of gov't is the best. So, the rest of the world "poking their > >noses" into our affairs isn't so bad since whom we elect influences > >their lives, too. (One quick example is the Helms-Burton Act, which > >punishes any company/country in the world that trades with Cuba.) and > >we don't really care about the other countries Parliaments because we > >feel that their governments don't affect us, so why bother? We should > >care, but we don't. > > No one said 'we know what's right for the world and our gov't is the best." > Don't you think that's being a little egotistical? Yes, I believe it is very ethnocentric but that is how Americans think. That's is why Americans believe it is right to go into the Gulf to protect our oil interests or to invade Nicaragua to kidnap the leader of that country or to assassinate the leaders of other countries. We are right, the rest of the world is wrong. >I was making the point that not one country is better off than another. What you said was that non-Americans should not criticize American gov't. [>Personally, I don't have a strong opinion about who is your pres as >long as he keeps his hand off that button and out of the affairs of >other countries. You should do the same. You don't hear any of us Americans or Canadians or Argentinians, etc. sticking our noses into how the Parlaiment is screwed up (If it is). ] When you sign your note with "proud American", your ethnocentrism rings out loud and clear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:57:59 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: more voting > The '70s voting session is now open at http://www.wallofsound.com > As could be expected, the top 10 when I voted was 100% white male. > That was annoying enough in the '60s (only Jimi broke the color > barrier, playing what white rocker boys think is their music), but > for Marvin Gaye's _What's Going On_ to be absent from a '70s best > of is a travesty, IMO. And I am not throwing that word around > lightly. To ignore one of the top 10 best albums of all time like that > reeks of Invisible Man syndrome. Please help Joni and Marvin (or > Stevie or *someone*) break the barrier. >Hey Marvin is in there! I must confess I found most of the current >frontrunners and nominees chosen to be real pukey. I had a tough time >but chose Joni C&S and wrote in Blue and For The Roses (how is FTR so >overlooked?!), the two Stevies, Marvin, Van, James T., Steely and Elvis >(Costello). Hejira got my vote as did C&S. Neil Young's "Harvest" was not on the list--so I had to vote for that. what an amazing album. - -- Howard Motyl Producer, MPI Teleproductions 16101 South 108th Avenue Orland Park, IL 60462 708-873-3190 708.873.3177 Fax http://www.mpimedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:52:08 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Joni's photos I just glanced at photos in the NY TIMEs and Sue's photos on Wally's site and was surprised at how emotionally moved I felt seeing her at Woodstock. What great photos! Joni is looking so happy, so real and casual, in her 'garden'-clothes no costume, so Joni. As good-looking as ever in her t-shirt and khaki hat, which poetically said to me that this time we were all so lucky to have her at "The Garden" to plant her pearly seeds. Thanks to all of you who were there to provide us with wonderful, exciting accounts of what we missed. Gosh, I really wish I had been there. Im major-league sorry--- that I had planned our vacation so close to that weekend. You jmdlers as a group, sounded so filled with that "getting-back-to-the-garden"-spirit. -JulieZW, so honored to be in the company of such kindered spirits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:03:14 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: (SJC) Garden glow... Hi, Sue & Nate! Wow, what a great post! You evoke wonderful details that are still caught in the haze of my own memories -- thanks for your sharp wit and wonderful way with words! In case everyone hasn't noticed, Suze has a devastatingly quick mind -- I thought I had missed the train once or twice this past weekend! Thanks again and again to Sue for her incredible banner -- IF ANYONE HAS THAT USA TODAY PHOTO OF JONI, PLEASE LET US KNOW!!! I'm expecting Sue's banner to show up in the media somewhere soon! Sue, could you please send me your snail-mail addy? Thanks! And please send Nate my thanks again for being BeerMeister, RoadMaster, and all around GameBoy -- 'tis a brave and noble heart that wants to jump into the middle of a JMDLfest!!! Take care, Kate (in CO) :^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:52:42 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Joni Mitchell Dear VH-1, I appreciate your strong focus on female artists, presumably inspired by the success of Lilith Fair. However, I, and many Joni Mitchell fans, are totally dismayed by the lack of positive attention she receives on VH-1, MTV, and the media in general. Her music, especially her current works, fit perfectly into your adult-oriented format, and it is a real shame that you choose not to expose her music and videos. I was recently listening to her 1988 CD, "Chalkmark in a Rain Storm," (from which she did produce some videos, by the way), and I felt incredulous that this album was not a hit. The song "My Secret Place" (duet with Peter Gabriel) should have been a huge hit; VH-1 could have made it happen, but didn't. She has released two more phenomenal albums since then: "Night Ride Home" and "Turbulent Indigo" (2 Grammies for this one, in case you didn't know), as well as the greatest hits packages "Hits" and "Misses;" and she is about to release a new CD called "Taming the Tiger." PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE give her music the exposure it deserves. I just saw her perform at "A Day in the Garden" (the name was inspired by her "Woodstock" lyric) three days ago, and it was the show of a lifetime. The majority of Saturday's crowd was there for her more than for any other artist, if the huge roars which greeted her after every single song are any indication. This woman is totally amazing, and she is just as musically relevant today as she was 25 years ago. If VH-1 would only give her the attention she so deserves, she would gain the popularity that is her due; and the music business would be enriched and revitalized by her art. I am a firm believer in the basic herd mentality of human beings; consequently I am always dismayed to hear the "lowest common denominator" music that is stuffed down our throats. I think that the music media underestimates the intelligence of the average music lover, and I believe that if Joni were to be stuffed down our throats the way Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion and Mariah Carey have been, that people would love Joni just as much; and since her music is so sonically and lyrically rich, the lives and perceptions of the "herd" would be enriched and stimulated. Actually, Joni's music needs to be stuffed down one's throat in order to truly absorb the depth of it: her music is not something which is immediately fully understood; it is challenging and therefore more fulfilling to listen to; there's always something new to discover. This is as true of her new material as it is of her older material. How many artists have produced albums that do not sound dated, more than 20 years later? (I am thinking of "Hejira" and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" in particular). In short, you really have a responsibility to expose her music and videos; Joni is without a doubt the musical mother of all the younger female singer-songwriters you currently showcase, and you should take it upon yourselves to "get the story straight" and include stories (and perhaps even videos of?) Joni in your current programs focusing on female artists. And please introduce her back catalog of videos into your regular rotation. There are many more Joni lovers out there than you think, and we are dying to hear and see more of her. Thanks for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:31:43 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: JC: Garden coverage Frank Tortorici's article (with lovely photo of Joni, and a quote by our very own Sue McNamara) can be found at http://www.sonicnet.com -- click on the NEWS button on the left. Again, there is a wonderful photo of part of the JMDL contingent in the August 16th issue of the Middletown (NY) Sunday Record -- on page five, there's a photo of Joni with Larry in the background (unnamed and misidentified as her "guitar player") -- then a smaller photo of Richie Havens, and then a photo of Don Fluke, me, Jan Huling, and Kay Ashley - -- behind us (though less visible) are Patty and Amy. The cutline for our photo says that we are "going wild" for Richie Havens instead of Joni, but what're ya gonna do??? Anybody wanting an original of this paper should contact them at readeradvocate@th-record.com or 1-800-295-2181 (although I can make and send copies of this if you contact me). Anyone seeing any other Garden blurbs/photos (like the one in USA Today - -- anyone know the date?), please send me publications and dates so that we can get our lil' scrapbook going. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP! Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 09:53:24 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: TTT Cover Hi everybody, I've put up a black & white version of the cover for Joni's next album, Taming the Tiger, on the lyrics page. See: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tiger98LyricsHome.html The color version of the cover is coming soon, folks. Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:45:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Clinton NJC Howard-I don't disagree with what you wrote. I just take umbrage at people who cannot read and then spout off rudely over stuff that wasn't said. The one thing I find sad, especially in the light of the 28 people, mainly children, who were killed on Saturday in Omagh. Much of the terrorist funding for Ireland is found in the US. This country, yours and others say 'terrorism will never win' but that is not true. What they mean is 'it won't work if we don't agree with your cause'. Hoever, no country, when held up to the light, is unblemished. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:47:10 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: 51 cents on a dollar, or, A Story of Two Golfers (SJC) I can't resist jumping into the thread about Joni and Stevie Nicks receiving $450,000 for appearing at A Day in the Garden, and Pete Townsend (and Don Henley?) getting a good $100,000 more than that. And, whatever the differences in causation, I haven't been able to ignore the disparity, seemingly based on gender, in another example much closer to home--literally. Some of you know that beneath my calm, lawyerly exterior lies the heart of a golf fanatic. I don't play worth anything, but I love to watch, and I do follow the stats religiously. This past weekend was a wonderful one for Madison, WI golf fans, with two hometown professionals posting fabulous finishes in their respective tour events. In the LPGA, Sherri Steinhauer won the Women's British Open, while in the PGA, Steve Stricker finished second, behind Vijay Singh, in the PGA Championship. And I was overjoyed that both of them performed so well. But their winnings? Steinhauer pocketed $165,300 for her victory, while Stricker took home $324,000 for second place (compared to Singh's $540,000). Yes: Steinhauer received 51% of Stricker's *second*-place money, and a mere 31% of Singh's winner's check. OK, OK, some of you are saying. The British Women's Open is not a major championship, while the PGA Championship is. But comparing the PGA Championship earnings for 1st and 2d place to the amount taken home by Brandie Burton, winner of the last LPGA major, the Du Maurier Classic, yields the following results: Burton, with a $180,000 check, won 33% of Singh's earnings and 56% of Stricker's. I realize that purse money for professional sporting events is determined differently than the amounts Joni, Stevie and Pete received for their appearances last weekend, with sponsorship and presumed viewer interest and likely television ratings all being factored into the mix for the former. And in some sports, like tennis, the argument can and has been made that the women actually play fewer sets to win (true), and therefore, haven't truly "earned" as much. But to me, in golf, 72 holes is 72 holes--just as a performance of about the same length by two artists of roughly equal stature in the same venue on the same day is a performance, is a performance, is a performance. "We've got to get ourselves to some semblance of a garden. . ." Mary P. P.S. THANK YOU all for your wonderful, wonderful reports on last weekend's event! I almost felt as though I were there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:26:43 -0400 From: "amy" Subject: A Day in the Garden Woke up and it's my birthday morning and the first thing that I knew... there were happy birthday greetings... from lovely folks like you..... This has been a week-long celebration and the best present I ever gave myself was a trip to the garden. I cannot express the happiness and good karma I have been feeling ever since the event. I sat out on our porch with my dear hubby Tom and tried to explain, define, interpret and give meaning to a period of time in my life that would do justice to my feelings...I am still searching for the right combination of words, and the fellow gardeners have done a beautiful job of describing our heartfelt and mutual joni- love. I began my trip not far from Sue and Nate Cameron's home in Northern Michigan....we were at our humble little cottage for a week of vacation. I left my family on Wednesday evening to begin the first solo leg of my trip to the garden. I arrived home with enough time to check the digest and pick up our mail with the 2 siquomb t-shirst that I had ordered...(just in the nick of time...thanks, MG) On Thursday I began the journey to Ohio to pick up my dear friend Patty, a non-lister and as of then, not a huge Joni-fan. (gasp!) We left her home in Ohio and we were off, stopping overnight in PA., and then off to New York with a few antique and flea market pit stops along the way. We entered Monticello and having missed our turn to the lovely Starlight Motel, decided to run on up to the site and get a feel for where it was and what the drive time would be for the big event. It was about then that it hit me..I am actually in New York and in less than 24 hours, I would be seeing our Joan live and in person. And I should clarify that this was my first Joni concert...and what a way to begin what I hope is a long line of musical events with some of the most genuine people I have ever had the pleasure to meet. We found the hotel, found our new friends (Kate, Suze, Nate, Jan and Phil) and managed to party in the parking lot till the wee hours and the next thing I knew, I was awake it was the next day and it was THE DAY...the day I have thought about, dreamed about, obsessed about...we rallied around, packed the packs and off we went. One of the highlights was meeting up with folks outside the entrance gate and putting faces to screen names...seeing Don and his friend Gene, then Chilihead and his lovely wife Debbie, Simon, Lori, Deb....then the gates were open, they didn't look too closely inside my bag (whew!) and we were on that sacred ground. I must admit, I didn't look at much as we started streaming down the hill on our way to a front row seat...there would be time for vendors and food kiosks later...right now, all I wanted was a piece of Woodstock real estate to call my own for the next 12 hours....a piece of ground that I ended up defending rather stubbornly the remainder of the day. (Mrs. Chilihead, Patty and I were being quite territorial!) We only left the spot once, to check out the vendors, food, drink and porta-potties...note to myself..do not wear overalls with long straps to future events with outdoor plumbing--'nuff said...) In terms of the music, I was pleasantly surprised with Melanie's set...her band and back-up singers consisted of her family, one son and two daughters, which I thought was groovy...and she really enjoyed herself onstage. Donovan was pretty good, watched all of his set, missed the first of Richie Haven, but was thrilled to be back in my spot for the remainder of his music. Those of us who heard the last song he sang were mesmorized, at least I was...very powerful tune, but do not know the name of it...help me out fellow listers. Then Lou Reed came on, the security guys put in their earplugs, he was rockin and loud but really, all I could think about was be done, be done, joni is next, joni is next!! The crowd was swelling and airspace was getting tight but we prevailed over our little patch of ground...then some really nice folks next to Don and Gene, against the fence mentioned that they would scoot down so some of us could crowd into their space at the fence. Let me just say that this was the icing on the cake...nothing between me and the queen...except a couple of security guards and photographers...made eye contact with Sue Mc at that point, she looked so great down in the pit snappin' shots of all of us...the look on her face was pure gold. I was next to Kay and practically on top of Jan, thank god she's shorter than I, Kate, Patty, Don Gene all to my left...when they announced her name, my throat tightened like I had swallowed a grapefruit, the tears sprang to my eyes and all the noise and confusion around me vanished as I focused on this incredible woman...she was everything I had hoped for and more. I will leave all the musical details to the other listers...I couldn't even begin to describe these precious moments. She played and sang like an angel...pure and sweet sounds that floated out into the air like magic. After Joni, we hung around for most of Pete Townsend but moved a bit further up the hill, as my body and mind needed a little breather from the crush of people who were there for joni. Townsend was great, and I also regret leaving too early...it sounds like the finale was great, and I remember thinking, gee, I wonder what all those microphones at the back of his set are for...duh! But to be honest, I was already back at the RV having a cold beer with all the jmdler's, so my regrets are minimal...I absolulety loved spending time with all you folks. We were at the RV with Don, (thanks don, you are the king of recreational vehicles!) Gene, Sue and Nate, Kate, Mendi , Mary (thanks for the advil, you saved the day) Joe (fellow rock finder and souvenier seeker), Simon, Brian (generous in many ways), Heather (cookie lover like me)....and some of us had come and gone before we got there, so I missed seeing a few...I only wish we had more time together, but the time we had will be a treasure forever. One of those memories that you can pull up on a really blue day and instantly feel better. What a gift I gave to myself. And so I will close this first posting to the list with my gratitude and good feelings going out to all of you...it was more than special, and it was everything I could have hoped for and more. The moment I remember on the way home was, my friend Patty looked over at me and says, "you have done it, I'm converted...joni is siquomb, isn't she?....my response, yes, she is. peace and love, amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:51:52 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 1st Single Patrick wrote: >i was not a fan at >the time, but i remember just loving 'you turn me on' when it was a single. > the attraction seems similar. Gee, Patrick, I didn't know you were old enough to remember Ian Whicomb's "You Turn Me On"....oh, oops, did you mean Joni's "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio"? :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:56:48 -0400 From: Roger Walker Subject: Faith Renewed! Greetings Gardeners & JMDL folks! Woodstock, A Day In The Garden. WOW! What a weekend! Faith renewed! Some 29 years ago, I hitch-hiked to this crazy thing called Woodstock, in Bethel, NY. It was a magical weekend. People were smiling, sharing, communing and caring. Some of us went for just the music and the party. And we certainly got what we had hoped for. For others, life got weird! It no longer felt right to simply "talk the talk". We had become a force to reckon with. A half a million strong.. and that was only those who were able to have been a part of it! There were millions of us! We were reminded that our speaking-out was an obligation. We had things to accomplish. Things needed to be re-worked. We had become credible in a trippy kind of way! For some, the event molded and shaped our individual and collective futures. Activists, each in our own way... ...but activists nevertheless. Last Friday and Saturday I got to go home again. My reasons for attending were two: to see Joni and to get a 'read' on the current Woodstock Nation. Incredible is the only was to describe both! I was worried that the '98 version would not hold up to the event back when I was a kid. It was such a magical thing. I was fearing that the excesses of these times, the greed and self-serving nature of our culture would again win-out and doom this event to being no more than a concert. Things don't really change, right? (...."Is it possible to care and yet, not care".....) Probably nothing bad would happen anyway. Ah, but happily, I was wrong. Joni and the boys were everything that I had hope for and you folks truly made this event a wonderful and fulfilling experience for me! Faith renewed! When my brother-in-law and I decided to attend we were hoping that we'd meet like-minded folks. We were so-o hopeful that the magic would again be there. And sure enough, as soon as I saw your denim shirts and dropped over to chat... well.. it became a very special event. Again. Meeting JMDLer's gave me a feeling that is indescribable! I felt like I was that kid again... hopeful, confident. It was YOU who made the weekend very special for me. Folks hooking-up for the first time.. putting faces to virtual signatures. God, that was so-o cool! Things don't really change.... Smiling, sharing, communing and caring once again. The conversations that I was fortunate to have with many of you are still keeping this 'ol smile painted on my face! It's GREAT! Commonality in music *and* in life... Faith renewed! As much as I didn't want to compare the two events... I couldn't help myself. There were a couple of times that I left the front row and walked up the hill to the back, to look around and reminisce. I thought alot about the things in my life that had changed in the past 29 years. Births, deaths, friends, relationships, history. It was overwhelming. Emotionally intense. Feelings were all over the place.... There were people that I wanted so much to be there.. one in particular, a friend, Marty, who passed away in January. He was my best friend. We grew together for these last 29 years and suddenly one day... he was gone. I found myself wishing so-o hard that he was back there with me to enjoy the talents of a woman who we had admired for so many years. To meet so many kind folks, like we had done so many years ago. I sure didn't plan it that way but I was pretty melancholy at times. But then I met you guys. It was like... it was perfect! You became Marty. He *was* there. I saw him in your eyes. I heard him when you spoke. Happy. Funny. Positive. Intellectual. Caring. He wasn't gone... He just looked different. Now I finally get it... we live in and through each other. When we choose to be... We are one! So when you think about what you "got" at your weekend on the hill, please remember too what you "gave". In 1998, like in '69, there were great folks and great vibes. Things *will* continue to get better.. I know because I met many of you! Were the hope and dreams of the kids of '69 just that? Did we accomplish what we so dearly wanted to do? Did we change the world? Well.. yes. Granted, the changes are slow in coming.. but yes! We are (again) the future. And yes, we really do care... still. Thank goodness! There will be those who write that the folks at A Day In The Garden were not at all like the kids there in '69. To some degrere they're right. Apathy is a tough thing to get past sometimes.. but I am feeling really good about things. The Woodstock Nation lives! There's a new generation of kids out there and they're gonna do a whole lot of good things. I now know that you and I are anxious to work with them! There IS much good coming our way. We are stardust..... Faith renewed! Gosh, I've just read over this note and realize that it's a rambling thing that probably ought not be sent, but heck.. I really do want to thank you guys for what you gave to me so I'm gonna send it anyway. Please pardon some of the rambling, ok? Also, I'd like to share a something with you that I like alot. It's a .wav file that I use to notify me when new email has arrived. It may take a bit of time to download but once you've got it, you can then be notified by Joni every time someone sends you a note! If you'd like the .wav file, please click here: http://www.florida-condo.com/riverwav.htm You have challenged me to again assess who I am and what I ought to be about. Activism Renewed at 47! Cool! Thanks for that. - -- rog Creativity IS Contagious! http://www.ohomxiv.org http://www.florida-condo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:53:33 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: Clinton NJC We're all bozos on this marbled bowling ball. catman wrote: > Howard-I don't disagree with what you wrote. I just take umbrage at people who cannot read and then spout off rudely over stuff that wasn't said. > The one thing I find sad, especially in the light of the 28 people, mainly children, who were killed on Saturday in Omagh. Much of the terrorist funding for Ireland is > found in the US. This country, yours and others say 'terrorism will never win' but that is not true. What they mean is 'it won't work if we don't agree with your cause'. > > Hoever, no country, when held up to the light, is unblemished. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:01:03 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Gardeners (SJC) At 09:40 AM 8/18/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/18/98 1:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scam1@freeway.net >writes: > ><< Heather, thanks for shouting out Brain Blade's name with me as he walked > out on stage. >> > >I heard that! I figured it must have been one of "ours"! > Terry - Really?! You heard us!? That's really fantastic! It was really sweet to see Joni escorted onto the stage with her arm linked in Brian's arm. Especially after reading what he wrote about Joni in the liner notes of his new CD. Heather PS - Brian came on stage to check out his drums before Joni came on. That's when we called to him. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:13:18 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Comedie of King Leer (NJC) Yea, yea, I know I said I'd drop the subject of Clinton, but I found this today. THE TRAGIC COMEDIE OF KING LEER Scene 1. A forest glen. Enter Witch Tripp and Kenneth of Starr. Witch Tripp: Double, double, Webster Hubbell, I think I got the Creep in trouble. Eye of Newt, strap of bra, Could it be he broke some law? Praise this broth utmost ephemeral, Heavens! I left out my Essence of Emeril! Hark! Who trespasses so near? Kenneth of Starr: 'Tis I, the Inquisitor. What news? Witch Tripp: Things proceed with quickening speed, m'lord. The maiden Lewinsky, so deeply embroil'd, is now join'd by the Lady Willey in like pursuit. Daily tightens the noose around the king. Starr: Would that it were so, but he hath good counsel, and more moves than a chess board. His public, well pleas'd with good news of the economie, doth o'erlook much. Witch Tripp: How may I serve you next? Starr: I have need of acts damnable and facts verifiable. Else he may elude me yet. Witch Tripp: His dog Buddy, freshly neuter'd, may bear his master harsh reproach. He may consent to wearing a collar of our invention, to survey the king at his ease. Dogs are much accustom'd to insects. What's one more bug? Starr: Good hag, I rely on you completely. I must away. (Exeunt Tripp and Starr) Scene 2. The king's antechamber Duke of McCurry: My Lord! I needs must speak with you most urgently! The castle is assaulted on all sides! Leer: What would I not give for an hour's peace! McCurry: An army of reporters is settled at thy gate. They are press in name and press in deed, for they press me daily, nay, hourly for some explanation from thy lips. Leer: Who is there among them? McCurry: Lords Jennings, Brokaw, Rather, Geraldo of Rivera and a host of others. Methinks I spied the van from Hard Copy. Leer: You cut me to the quick. Do they not know that I am chaste? McCurry: They insinuate that thou hast chased too often. Leer: Never have lies been so artfully stack'd against a pure soul. Where is Lady Hillary? McCurry: Her secretary doth report that she is lock'd in her bath, saying over and over, "Why can I not wash my hands of this guy?" Leer: Oh cursed fate! I must be the most solitary mortal in all creation. Never have I betrayed m'lady's trust. McCurry: Whatever. (Enter Messenger) Messenger: Good king, steel thy nerve. I bring a missive from Kenneth of Starr, the Grand Inquisitor. Leer: Was ever a man as Starr-cross'd as I? Why does this man conspire to afflict me thus? My hand is unsteady. Read it to me. Messenger: Let me see. He offers you his regards, blah, blah, blah, then doth subpoena you to appear at his chamber at Friday next, to forswear again that thou tookst no liberties with the Jones wench, who withdraweth not her claims against you. Leer: I have already so sworn! McCurry: It would seem, m'lord, that the woeful tale of Lady Willey rekindles old flames. Leer: I kiss'd the woman on the forehead, as a sign of my regard. Never was a king so expos'd! McCurry: Truer words were ne'er spoken. Leer: I cannot think on't further. Leave me to my own counsel. (Exeunt Messenger and McCurry) Leer: To be forthright, or not to be forthright, that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or just bag the whole thing and teach law at a junior college. (Enter Courtier) Courtier: My liege, you are late for an appointed meeting. Leer: What's this? Courtier: You were to interview a new assistant at the stroke of two. She seems most capable, and with rare intellect for one so young and fair. Leer: Well, tell her I will see her anon, and on, and on. Courtier: A most clever jest, my king. Leer: Let us not tarry further. (Exeunt Leer and courtier. Enter Buddy, from behind a chair) Buddy: So dearest reader, I bid adieu. Me seeth I have much to do. And so it comes to this pretty pass To see if the king doth get some .... _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #307 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?