From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #306 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 306 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: No Apology NJC ["Happy The Man" ] crazy cries the first single! yippee kiyi!! [trxschwa ] Tape Tree Picks ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: No Apology ["Kakki" ] Thanks ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] HBD... [Kate Tarasenko ] lou reed/siberry (NJC) [BarBearUh ] hinton book [BarBearUh ] TTT Promo Idea ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Photos from "Day in the Garden" [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] [Fwd: Joni Mitchell] ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Day in the Garden [GREYC1@aol.com (by way of Les Irvin )] Gardeners (SJC) [Sue ] Re: garden photo [Bounced Message ] (no subject) [Bounced Message ] Comes Love [Bounced Message ] RE: (NJC) oops! cheesy songs [Bounced Message ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #303 [Bounced Message ] Wallofsound.com '70s vote [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: (NJC) oops! cheesy songs [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Wallofsound.com '70s vote ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:31:53 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: No Apology NJC I guess what frustrates me is sounded to much like Jimmy Swaggart. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Leslie Mixon > Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 8:24 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: No Apology > > > The President offered no apologies > He said, "I erred in judgement > I should have hired a hooker" > No apologies > To the outraged Lewinsky's > No "Sorry little girl" > He just took her > Cassettes and dress stains > What happened to this place? > Lawyers and Presidents > Are laying America to waste. > > Leslie > Leslie Mixon > http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:27:11 -0400 From: trxschwa Subject: crazy cries the first single! yippee kiyi!! wally and everyone, i am so glad to hear this news. i'm just loving this song, both the studio version and the terrific live versions from the recent tape tree. like many listers, (except for sons of the pioneers fans) this was the first TTT song i heard (as love's cries). i wasn't quite convinced. it was pretty but it seemed similar to facelift, musically, and even a little bit generic. and though i think my ear for rhythm is pretty acute, in a lot of these joni 12/8 shuffles i don't really groove until there's production. none of the live versions of cherokee louise match the album, IMO. the rhythm makes the song even more powerful. when we first heard the studio version of crazy cries from the kcrw show, there was some discussion about the changed chorus, and some who really thought it was a loss. the change (and the brilliant studio production) immediately pushed the song into favoriteland for me and this shows no sign of fading. when i was in la i sang it in my car every day. can it be a successful single? i barely listen to radio these days, but it certainly seems accessible, just so warm and catchy. i was not a fan at the time, but i remember just loving 'you turn me on' when it was a single. the attraction seems similar. i can't imagine hearing it in so many public places this fall that i grow tired of it. i WANT to hear it everywhere. SINGLE, SINGLE, SINGLE. patrick np - rickie lee - ghostyhead - -----Original Message----- From: Wally Breese [SMTP:wallyb@well.com] Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 7:59 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: TTT Hi everyone, Joni's new album "Taming the Tiger" is now confirmed for release on September 29th in the U.S., and September 28th elsewhere in the world. The first single will be "The Crazy Cries of Love," which would've also been my choice for a single from the album. Soon! Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:35:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory Why do you always have to be so rude? Please read what is written more carefully. Mark Domyancich wrote: > >What Bill did was not moral. He has harmed his daughter-she is > >the one who counts. However, what Bill did is peanuts by comparison. > > How do you think Hillary feels? I know she has said she loves Bill > unconditionally-and all marriages should be like that. People make mistakes > and they shouldn't be branded for them! > > >Personally, I don't have a strong opinion about who is your pres as long > >as he >keeps his hand off that button and out of the affairs of other > >countries. > > You should do the same. You don't hear any of us Americans or Canadians or > Argentinians, etc. sticking our noses into how the Parlaiment is screwed up > (If it is). Personally, I think this is a thread that should die right here > and now. Are you getting tired of us talking about the Garden? How many of > us would rather talk about that then Bill and Monica! > > Mark, proud American > _____________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | > |___________________________| - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:53:38 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: A Day in the Garden Hello, VH1 -- I attended the Day in the Garden festival on Max Yasgur's old farm this past weekend -- I flew in from Colorado especially to see Joni Mitchell. She had such a strong showing that I hope it will be covered by you and the rest of the music media. There were tons of cameras there -- were YOU? Looking forward to seeing your coverage -- Kate Tarasenko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:00:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tape Tree Picks Hey you JMDL'ers! I've been working on making copies of Tape Tree #7 for folks for a couple of weeks and I almost have one set done.:D It's 5 tapes long of course.... Anyway I wanna say that I love the title track, "Taming The Tiger"! The fade out is so beautiful. It's a slow fade on a beautiful melody. It's like Hershey's chocolate syrup at the bottom of an ice cream bowl... It's sweet and each spoonful gets smaller and smaller but it still stays sweet until it's all.... gone. I'm sure each person will have a favorite. It will certianly whet the appetite of any Lister. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:44:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No Apology So what makes a man a man In these tough times? As obstructionists fill the ranks And hired hacks spin their tired notions Ethics systems fail Snakes and spinmeisters Are wagging in the wound Singing the same old tune Perpetuate the double standard What happened to this place? Lawyers and Presidents Are laying America to waste Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:08:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Thanks On days like this, the List seems especially special. Thanks to those who make the List available. Thanks to those who organize the T@ape Trees and spin off all those Branch tapes(!). Thanks to those who host parties. And thanks to the writers who post with their hearts. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** "I've seen love come past my door. It's never been this close before, never been this easy or so slow." Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:11:44 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: HBD... Creeeg, creeeg, creeeg, creeeg, [that's Kate on her accordion, playing the only song she really knows...] Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday Dear Amy, Happy Birthday to YOU!!! xoxoxo Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:47:22 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: lou reed/siberry (NJC) great to hear the reports on the garden. wish i could have been there - sounds like y'all had a great time AND a great view! very cool. i did get to see lou reed last week in a small club & he was fabulous. he played songs from all periods of his career (though nothing from "new york", boo hoo - i heard he played "dirty blvd. at the garden). the crowd was so into it thursday night that lou played endlessly. he came out and did two songs for an encore and left like it was the end (band bowing arm in arm and waving goodbye). then he came out and did another two songs after the audience refused to let up. as the band once again bowed arm in arm and started waving goodbye, the crowd continued to go wild. after a minute of bowing, lou picked up his guitar again and played 'walk on the wild side'. oh, what a night. everyone was smiling. also glad to see there's a sib contingent on the jmdl. if you have no albums by jane, check into sheeba.ca, buy 'bound by the beauty', 'when i was a boy' or 'maria' and tell jane i sent ya. you won't regret it. barbara np: nusrat fateh ali khan, devotional & love songs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:58:29 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: hinton book Jan asked about the brian hinton book & here's my review: not worth the time. lots of inaccuracies. the book is basically a compilation of information gleaned from articles over the years (you're better off combing les' site and reading what's there) mixed with the author's idiotic conjecture about joni's life and music. don't put more money in the pocket of the author or publishing company that put out this sensationalist tripe. that's my .02 anyhow. barbara np: the glory of gershwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:14:20 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TTT Promo Idea I'm sending email to our local station that trumpets "Home of intellegent news and progressive music". Here's the top 20 from them: Blues Traveler, Straight On Till Morning (A&M) David Byrne, Feelings (Luaka Bop) John Fogerty, Blue Moon Swamp (Warner Bros.) Ben Harper, The Will To Live (Virgin) John Hiatt, Little Head (Capitol) Roger Klug, Toxic and 15 Other Love Songs (Mental Giant) k.d. lang, Drag (Warner Bros.) Laura Love, Octoroon (Mercury) Taj Mahal, Senior Blues (Private) Paul McCartney, Flaming Pie (Capital) Sarah McLachlan, Surfacing (Arista) James McMurtry, It Had to Happen (Sugar Hill) Scotty Moore, D.J. Fontana & Friends, All The King's Men (Sweetfish) Maura O'Connell, Wandering Home (Ryko) Sinead O'Connor, Gospel Oak (Chrysalis) Ron Sexsmith, Other Songs (Interscope) Richard Thompson & Danny Thompson, Industry (Hannibal) Whiskeytown, Stranger's Almanac (Outpost) Dar Williams, End of the Summer (Razor & Tie) World Party, Egyptology (The Enclave) - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 04:14:33 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: Photos from "Day in the Garden" Great photos!!! Sue, your camera has more clarity than RealPlayer and Windows Media Player combined, she didn't look nearly that good on the webcast. Thanks for the great pics..and thanks to all for the reviews! -Kenny On 8/17/98 8:40PM, Wally Breese wrote: Hi everyone, I have the first of the photos in from Sue, the official JMHP reporter and photographer, up on the "Day in the Garden" page. Have a look: http://www.JoniMitchell.com/OnTheRoadWoodstock98.html Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:22:55 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: [Fwd: Joni Mitchell] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------34274D7B3787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is what I sent to our local radio station that has played Joni in the past. I hope you will DISTRIBUTE FREELY. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** - --------------34274D7B3787 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35D9012E.3B89@one.net> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:21:02 -0400 From: Jim L'Hommedieu Reply-To: jlamadoo@one.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wnku@nku.edu Subject: Joni Mitchell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does Joni have any singles from her forthcoming album, "Taming the Tiger"? I've heard half of it on a tape tree and it's pure Joni. She is self produced and found lots of new "colors" on a new Roland VG-8 guitar synthesizer. She played at "A Day In The Garden" last weekend. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu 7 Renshaw Rd. #4 Highland Hts., KY 41076 - --------------34274D7B3787-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:21:02 -0600 From: GREYC1@aol.com (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Day in the Garden I'm utterly amazed that I was able to see Joni perfoming 3000 miles away on my computer, no less. This is an incredible time to be on this earth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:59:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Subject: Gardeners (SJC) I am back in northern Michigan after a long travel. My wonderful husband and chauffeur Nate decided to continue on rather than staying in metro Detroit. Quick impressions this early Tuesday are: I am glad I was traveling all day and didn't get caught up in "BubbaGate". Nate was so impressed with how wonderful all of you listers are that he is now considering Colorado next year. Yippee! The picture of Joni taking a picture of us in USA Today was wonderful. Any way we can get a copy?!?! JMDL had 25 members within 50 feet of the stage Saturday. Our presence was felt and envied by many in the crowd. I don't know how many questions I answered concerning my JMDL denim shirt (thanks Les!). Atmosphere is induced by the people in a place, not the place itself; therefore the magical feeling of the Starlite over the weekend. The hospitality of Don and Gene was so welcoming after the long haul on Saturday. How great to just sit and joke with the masses as we reveled in the advantage of having home turf delivered to us. To see the huge banner raised on the RV and the comments that arose from the crowd as they filtered by was wonderful. Kudos as well for the obstacles that were overcome in securing the great parking spot! Kate and her "can-do" attitude. Without her we would not have gone to Friday's show. We would not have stayed at the lovely pizza encrusted Starlite. Would not have had our "dogtags" that distinguished us from the rest of the large group of Joni fans. I can't leave out the wonderful tape footage of our Friday night escapades at the Bates Motel. Fellow Starliters Amy, her off-list friend Patty, Jan and her husband Phil, for making Friday night so much fun and Saturday morning a real headache :-) Silent Simon sitting stoically studying security. Mendi, Mary and Joe, bringing a bunch of enthusiasm to the group of us already seated. Sue Mac, twisted ankle and all, braving the crowds to get the shots and story for the homepage. Go girl! Heather, thanks for shouting out Brain Blade's name with me as he walked out on stage. The memory of his smile as we yelled will stay with me for a while. What a wonderful musician he is, and how magical it was to share that moment with you. Deb, who looked at me askance as the young girl and boy stumbled over our belongings during Lou Reed's set. You could have easily gotten mad at these two, but your patience with them was outstanding. That is really telling of what a great person you are. BUT....Aren't you glad they were gone for Joni!!! Brian Gross, who kept the group in the 60's spirit, literally and figuratively. Robbert and Kay, who both stumbled in and got their territory staked out in time for the true performer! Your smiles were infectious and I am so glad that you were willing to wind through the human bramble to get to our spot. Frank, you stood next to me for quite a while and I am regretting not introducing myself to you. I hope you had a wonderful time in the press pit and that we see some of your pictures posted soon. Brian and Deb, showing up early Saturday morning and defending the turf all day. You were both rewarded with wonderful seats and a smile from Joni that was directed right at you. I missed signing your book Brian, and if I had the chance to do so now would write that your bright eyes lit up the dull morning as we waited for the gates to open. Your excitement was easily read and spilled on to hung-over me enough that I energized my strides down the hill with a heavy backpack in search of good territory. To the victor goes the spoils - thanks for sharing squatter's rights on Saturday. Kai, you snuck up on me and I missed the opportunity to introduce myself. Same with Lori, who I missed not once, not twice, but three times during the course of the weekend. I regret the fact that I neglected these chances. I am saving my review of Joni for the homepage. Thanks again to all of the listers out there for providing that "commune" spirit that made a decade long forgotten come back to life over Woodstock weekend. 1:03 est. Time for me to go to bed. Happy Birthday Amelia! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:51:01 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: garden photo Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:59:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Deb Messling wrote: > Yes, I've been doing that for awhile. If we want to be sneaky, we > can assume phony accents and call multiple times! Ah. A Lucy episode! "What?! No Reek-ie R-r-r-ee-carrrr-do? Ca.ncel my reservation!" Jerry np: Petula Clark - Sunset Blvd. London recording (private) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:21:02 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: (no subject) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:26:57 -0400 From: JJM > Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but thought I'd point out > that it's no longer relevant since Joni no longer plays acoustic guitar. > She > said recently in a response to an award from some acoustic guitar magazine > that she thought it was odd since she only plays electric guitar now. > AHHHHHH, BUT IT IS VERY RELEVANT since I the majority of the songs I play are her older songs and I'm looking to identify the sound...also, I'm interested in guitars in general and have collected a few, hence the interest. Thanks though for your reply. ...... And thanks to Susan for your answer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:21:01 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Comes Love Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:37:41 -0500 From: rkbjf Wally wrote: Her 15 song set featured many surprises, including the standards "Summertime" and "Comes Love," "Comes Love" Blew me away. I can't place the song. I think Joni's version was the first time I'd ever heard that song. Where does it come from? Who wrote it? Who sang it? When? I thought to myself that she really threw in some nice Billie Holiday type vocal stylings. Did Billie do it? Mark? Michael and the rest of you agree-ers are right, her voice was fabulous. She seems to be right at the top of her game! Joni, I need you. PLEASE get a little (big) tour scheduled. Soon! Brad NP; why, Elvis, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:21:01 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: (NJC) oops! cheesy songs Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:02:23 -0500 From: rkbjf Brad wrote: <<>> To which I have a one-word reply: ARETHA!!!!!!!! Who's begging for forgiveness now? - - --Michael, who (gasp) is not enthralled with Van the Man To which I retort: OTIS REDDING!!!! I see you're down again. Care to try to get back up? Or do you surrender? As for cheesy songs that I like, I could list volumns. Lastly, Elvis died 21 years ago today. At noon, your local time, let's all play 'Heartbreak Hotel' really loud. What do you mean you don't have a copy? Better get one, don't ya think? Brad NP - Elvis 'Crying In The Chapel' (It is Sunday morning) (that reminds me, I love to play 'Sunday Morning' by The Velvets, on Sunday mornings.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:21:01 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #303 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:06:18 -0500 From: rkbjf Tube wrote (quite articulately, i might add) > But the key was the arrangements and the > maturity of Sinatra's delivery. Now he's gone, and I'm tellin' ya, there's > mighty few singers out there who can follow his act. Lisa Stansfield > probably. Maybe George Michael (he tries hard, but he's really only a > warbler). Roger Daltrey springs to mind, but he's perhaps past it, or past > caring. Morrison's dead. So can Stevie > Nicks, Hahahahahahah. You had me goin' there for a while! ;-) George Michael? Daltrey? Stevie Nicks? I THINK you mean Jim Morrison? That one REALLY throws me for a loop. You mean Jim? Morrison? great singer? We've been listening to completely different Jim Morrison's for 30 years. Isn't that wierd? I've been listening to little better than mediocre poet, posing and growling, in front of a band that could just barely play their instruments. But you know what they say about opinions. You want mine; The greatest singer since Sinatra is Bob Dylan. And no, I'm not kidding. NO ONE emotes like Bob! Brad NP; that's right, Elvis (sent in HTML and plain text). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:33:27 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Wallofsound.com '70s vote The '70s voting session is now open at http://www.wallofsound.com Of the suggested nominees, only C&S made it for Joni. I chose that one to maximize her chances of getting one in the top, then chose HOSL on my own. We had originally discussed Blue as the consensus JMDL vote, but I think switching it to C&S makes sense since it is an actual nominee. As could be expected, the top 10 when I voted was 100% white male. That was annoying enough in the '60s (only Jimi broke the color barrier, playing what white rocker boys think is their music), but for Marvin Gaye's _What's Going On_ to be absent from a '70s best of is a travesty, IMO. And I am not throwing that word around lightly. To ignore one of the top 10 best albums of all time like that reeks of Invisible Man syndrome. Please help Joni and Marvin (or Stevie or *someone*) break the barrier. It should be noted that in the methodology page it states that the top *25* from each decade will be ranked in the top 100 based on its percentage of the vote for its decade, so _Clouds_ may be alive yet and C&S definitely has a chance. - --Michael NP: R.E.M, _Murmur_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:51:12 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: (NJC) oops! cheesy songs I said Aretha, Brad said Otis Redding, then: <<>> Hmmmm.... Otis recorded "Respect" first, yet Aretha's rendition is the definitive one. Seems like a clear-cut victory for the true best singer since (or including, if you ask me) Sinatra. That's Ms. Franklin if you're nasty... As for the person who said she "cuts the mustard": you and I, we cut the mustard. She splits it in half. - --Michael NP: R.E.M., _Murmur_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:04:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wallofsound.com '70s vote Michael Y. (out of the headlock) wrote: > The '70s voting session is now open at http://www.wallofsound.com > As could be expected, the top 10 when I voted was 100% white male. > That was annoying enough in the '60s (only Jimi broke the color > barrier, playing what white rocker boys think is their music), but > for Marvin Gaye's _What's Going On_ to be absent from a '70s best > of is a travesty, IMO. And I am not throwing that word around > lightly. To ignore one of the top 10 best albums of all time like that > reeks of Invisible Man syndrome. Please help Joni and Marvin (or > Stevie or *someone*) break the barrier. Hey Marvin is in there! I must confess I found most of the current frontrunners and nominees chosen to be real pukey. I had a tough time but chose Joni C&S and wrote in Blue and For The Roses (how is FTR so overlooked?!), the two Stevies, Marvin, Van, James T., Steely and Elvis (Costello). Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #306 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?