From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #305 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, August 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 305 The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to for all the details. ------- The New England Labor Day Weekend JoniFest is coming soon! Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- Trivia buffs! We are compiling an in-depth trivia database on all things Joni. Send your bit of trivia - or your questions you would like answered - to ------- And don't forget about JoniFest 1999! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Only 100 rooms have been reserved. Send a blank message to for more info. ------- The Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Joni's paintings, original essays, lyrics and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains Joni-related interviews, articles, member gallery, info on the archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Stevie setlist (NJC) [evian ] Thank you Gardeners! [Robert Holliston ] NY Times Garden review ["Deb Messling" ] middleton times-herald review ["Deb Messling" ] dayinthegarden ["Wong, Kai" ] joni headlines billboard magazine ["Wong, Kai" ] [Fwd: Mail from P&G Products Site] [Jerry Notaro ] Pete Townshend at the Garden (was RE: oops! cheesy songs) [Susan McNamara] Re: SJC:DIG (DAY IN THE GARDEN) [Marsha ] Day in the Garden - Pete? ["Eric Jaimes" ] Re: Day in the Garden - Pete? [Marsha ] garden photo [Bill Dollinger ] Re: garden photo [Marsha ] Media [Steve Dulson ] Garden Set List? ["Don Rowe" ] Re: garden photo [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Day in the Garden - Pete? [Susan McNamara ] Re: garden photo [Heather ] Re: garden photo ["Deb Messling" ] RE: Jane Siberry (NJC) [Howard Motyl ] Re: garden photo ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Jane Siberry (NJC) [Michael Heath ] JMDL at the Garden [Heather ] Re: JMDL at the Garden [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Re: SJC:DIG (DAY IN THE GARDEN) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDL at the Garden [Heather ] Re: JMDL at the Garden [Mark Domyancich ] Re: JMDL at the Garden [Heather ] re Lillith Fair [Jennifer gibbons ] Happy Birthday (Tuesday) [Brian Gross ] Re: Happy Birthday (Tuesday) [Heather ] More IM News (NJC but worth the read) [Mark Domyancich ] I can't get this out of my head [Kaye.Conant@ipaper.com] Re: Fall Tour '98 [AzeemAK@aol.com] joni supermarket synchronicity [Catherine Turley ] Re: joni supermarket synchronicity [BH1248@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?NJC=97Working_On_Your_Clinton_Resignation_Memory?= ["Happy] RE: Fall Tour '98 [Michael Yarbrough ] Photos from "Day in the Garden" [Wally Breese ] Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now [JAN201@aol.com] TTT [Wally Breese ] Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory [catman ] Re: Fall Tour '98 [Marsha ] RE: Fall Tour '98 [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Photos from "Day in the Garden" ["Kakki" ] What a Day in the Garden!!! [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory [Mark Domyancich ] No Apology [Leslie Mixon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:03:23 -0600 From: evian Subject: Stevie setlist (NJC) Hi, Just wondering if anyone knows what Stevie Nicks' set list was this weekend? Evian NP: "That's Allright" -- Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: Thank you Gardeners! I just wanted to thank all the Joni reporters for your wonderful reviews - it has been a major joy to read them: you who are so fortunate, thank you for also being thoughtful!! I agree with Alan - wish I'd been there too - but your thoughts and words and feelings have been the next best thing. Thank you! Keep 'em coming! Joni sang Summertime - YES!! Sigh! Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:36:20 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: NY Times Garden review Here's the Joni portion of the NY Times review of Day in the Garden. It was written by Jon Pareles. Read the whole article (and see nice photo of Joni) at the NY Times web site, http://www.nytimes.com You must register before you can read anything, but it's free. But Ms. Mitchell only looked back briefly. The bulk of her set drew from the albums she has made since she released "Hejira" in 1976. They share a private, contemplative style that barely acknowledges pop's demands. Wispy, attenuated melodies float in arrangements without edges, built on reverberating guitar chords and liquid, shifting rhythms. She writes melodies like a jazz singer's improvisations, using flexibility and fragmentation instead of pop's repetition and hooks. One of the least abstruse songs she performed was from Billie Holiday's repertory, "Comes Love." Ms. Mitchell's lyrics are diaristic, drifting from reflections on the news to questions about the purpose of life to updates on romance. In songs from her next album, due in September, Ms. Mitchell sang about lovers hiding the sounds of passion behind train whistles, about bringing a new partner home to a disapproving mother and about how "lawyers and loan sharks are laying America to waste." Even when her opinions grow cranky, what holds the songs together is Ms. Mitchell's voice, pearly and assured, making her free-floating vagaries sound like shared confidences. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:37:57 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: middleton times-herald review From the Middleton Times-Herald: Joni Mitchell: The moment more than 20,000 fans waited for came at the end of a superb, sophisticated set that featured only one vintage tune, "Big Yellow Taxi," and a host of newer jazzy tunes from albums like "Turbulent Indigo" and "Night Ride Home." Holding an electric guitar, she strode up to the microphone and said, "You're a beautiful audience. I missed the first one so I wrote a song about it." Then, with her hips gently swaying, she strummed that guitar and sang in a husky, rich voice, "We were stardust/We were golden/And we've got to back to the garden." Joni Mitchell has grown older gracefully. Woodstock moment: That was it. http://www.th-record.com/1998/08/16/simusics.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:41:08 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: dayinthegarden My gratitude to the jmdlers who got there so early to save the rest of us a spot. I never dreamt I would be that close to joni. The one thing that was a pleasant surprise for me was the hugh number of joni fans....there were thousands and thousands of screaming joni fans around me. Joni and the band were simply amazing, I started getting teary eyed during the first few notes of Hejira. The new songs are superb, and the covers were a lot of fun, joni obviously enjoyed them as much as the crowd. I thought the set was way too short, Lou's seemed much longer. I am not sure if it seemed short because I was so mesmerized. Brian Blade was a perfect bandmate for joni. Her voice sounded really terrific, better than she ever did, and especially on Just Like This Train and Trouble Man. Trouble Man was done with a LOT of soul, Marvin would have been proud. She looked wonderful, radiant and very comfortable playing to such a hugh crowd. I wish I could remember more from the concert, but I am still in a state of shock, the whole event seemed to fly by in minutes. I was very touched when a young lady on crutches made it all the way from the back of the crowd to the stage to present flowers to joni. My only regret, nothing from Blue. I was not expecting it, but was praying that she would change her mind and play something from Blue. It is such a critical piece of work. Joni, if you happen to read this before your Oct/Nov tour, please reconsider. We are not asking you to paint starry night again, just exhibit it for us one more time, please. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:50:00 -0400 From: "Wong, Kai" Subject: joni headlines billboard magazine What a great weekend, first the incredible concert, then I went to the East Village and found a copy of the 94 Toronto concert (I could not resist, how could I, I bought the CD, it is fantastic), and then I saw JONI ON THE COVER OF BILLBOARD magazine with a long, long article. I take it back, Reprise is really doing a great job promoting joni and from the article it seems that joni wants to really promote TTT. Run out to get the magazine today, it is fabulous, a real treat. The president of Reprise was also quoted as saying that it will be difficult to promote joni but they will try because she puts out such quality product. Gotta run, at work now but could not resist posting. Below is an excerpt from their website, but the whole article is not in there. And she may TOUR in the fall. Kai MITCHELL RELEASES A 'TIGER': Joni Mitchell, who was considering retiring from the music business only last year, has invested a newfound passion in her latest album, "Taming The Tiger." "My prejudices against popularity are many, but I'm trying to get bigger," says Mitchell, the recipient of Billboard's 1995 Century Award for distinguished creative achievement. "I like the way this record turned out, plus my stock has risen lately with Janet Jackson sampling me in her hit ["Got 'Til It's Gone"] and with my becoming a tabloider. More heads are turning at airports these days." Reprise will release the album, which reflects Mitchell's longtime love of jazz, ambient soundscapes, and layered sounds, Sept. 29 in the U.S. and Sept. 28 in the rest of the world. Mitchell will perform Sept. 18 at a benefit for the Old Town School of Folk Music in Chicago and may play dates around the U.S. in October or November. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:02:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: [Fwd: Mail from P&G Products Site] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------8672446A0068688B712F2FD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This question came up recently where I mentioned Judy Collins voice on the Folgers commercial. Paul corrected me and said it was another singer. I strongly questioned his info and sources. His source, he said, was his knowledge of the 2 singers voices, and, I guess, my lack of it. I wrote to Procter and Gamble. It's Judy's voice, for those who had initially inquired. Jerry - --------------8672446A0068688B712F2FD8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: misc.im@pg.com Received: from bbhm.na.pg.com (bbhm.na.pg.com [137.179.109.61]) by bayflash.stpt.usf.edu (8.8.7/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA14084 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: misc.im@pg.com Received: from bbhm.na.pg.com (bbhm.na.pg.com [137.179.109.61]) by bbhm.na.pg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19576 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from x400@localhost) by bbhm.na.pg.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA19551 for notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MCI; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 8:01:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 8:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Mail from P&G Products Site To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Message-Id: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1)/STREAM Content-Type: text Thanks for your message, Gerald. We appreciate your interest in our new Folgers commercial. Yes, you're correct! Judy Collins is the singer for our Folgers commercial. Thanks for visiting our website. Theresa USA Folgers Team ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Mail from P&G Products Site Author: (INTERNET)notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu at external Date: 8/13/98 1:23 PM name: Gerald A. Notaro comments: Is that the voice of Judy Collins in the new Folger's commercial? A friend tells me it is a singer by the name of Bonnie Kuloc. Thank you for your time. submit: Send to P&&G - --------------8672446A0068688B712F2FD8-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:22:33 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Joni On TV Hey gang on Sat at 12am and on Sunday at 3:30pm a segment on CNN's World Beat will feature the Woodstock concert with film clips. Here is what the listing from "Rock On TV" says: segments featuring Woodstock, Pete Townshend, Joni Mitchell, Massive Attack and Don Henley Woopee! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:33:40 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Pete Townshend at the Garden (was RE: oops! cheesy songs) During Pete's set at the Garden he introduced his acoustic guitar player/backup singer as the woman (who also choreographed Tommy when it was on Broadway) to sing "Acid Queen" (i forget her name but she had a very BIG voice and was great) After introducing her he said, "But she's not the real Queen up here!" !!Pete!! (he must really love screwing with the rumour mill!) The finale of "SEE ME FEEL ME" with the 50 voice gospel choir was an out of body experience for me ... the Spirit descended on that holy ground! >rkbjf wrote: > > >>>"rough boys! I want to fight and kiss you" from the bi-sexual pen of >>>Pete Townshend (that's right, just his pen is bi-sexual) > >Wait a minute ... just his *pen is*? > >-Fred ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:24 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: SJC:DIG (DAY IN THE GARDEN) FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > That's a mighty nice taste, but I read that while she and Stevie Nicks are > getting $450k, Don Henley and Pete Townshend are each getting $550k. What kind > of shit is that? Some fucked up shit, that's what kind. I say it's typical shit, Fred... typical, "normal", everyday shit. Marsha, (digging through my 70's jewelry looking for my "59cents" button) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:06:33 -0400 From: "Eric Jaimes" Subject: Day in the Garden - Pete? Great to hear all the accounts of Saturday's concert from everyone who was there. I wish I could have been there, but I as luck would have it the weekend coincided with an outdoor concert/party which I was obligated to attend. I really hope Joni will tour soon so that some of us can see her for the first time! Also, thanks for posting her set list. I am unfamiliar with most of it, as I do not know most of her new material. Anyhow, I didn't read anyone write about Pete Townshend. How was his set? What did he play? Cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:03:23 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Day in the Garden - Pete? Eric Jaimes wrote: > Anyhow, I didn't read anyone write about Pete Townshend. How was his set? > What did he play? A half million dollars' worth of songs... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: garden photo USA Today has an article with an all to brief mention of joni, mentioning the jazz leanings of her set. Also the photo ran of her taking a picture of the crowd, which I found so endearing. Looks like the world is learning that ttt will be coming out, and perhaps the publicity machine at the record company will be running strong. As we head into the final stretch for ttt, maybe we should discuss what we jmdlers could do to help fuel the sales of ttt. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:02:13 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: garden photo Bill Dollinger wrote: > As we head into the final stretch for > ttt, maybe we should discuss what we jmdlers > could do to help fuel the sales of ttt. Great idea, Bill! This is what I have in my little bag of tricks: 1-I wear her TTT tee shirt everywhere these days, I do a pitch for her any chance I get in public. 2-I will be calling 3 radio stations that will play her stuff. One might possibly not have the CD, and I will "loan" it to a responsible person with bailment conditions, and push the airplay like heck... 3-Appreciative friends will be getting TTT from me for xmas and birthdays. 4-I will be attending as many Jonishows as I can afford, and bring as many folks as I can kidnap to join me 5-I will be talking and chicken squawking "Joni" on every other discussion list to which I subscribe, and I'll stealthly plant plugs for her everywhere on the internet I visit. Marsha, needing more ideas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:11:16 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Media The LA Times review of the Garden show says that Joni performed "Coyote". The media gets it wrong again! Congrats to all who were at the show - it sounds fantastic! I was off camping (well, sleeping in my van) at the 24th annual Kindred Gathering, a very free form west coast fretted dulcimer meet that I last attended in '78. I had a blast. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:16:58 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Garden Set List? I haven't seen Joni's set list for Day in the Garden -- past the fact that she didn't apparently play Coyote ... thanks to any/all who could help. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:25:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: garden photo On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Marsha wrote: > Marsha, needing more ideas Does anyone think it would help to call record stores and ask when they will be getting ttt? Even tho we know the release date, such inquiries might help influence the in-store placement and be a factor in whether it is prominently displayed. Also- I really think that we should start calling vh1 and give a strong push for them to give joni the attention she deserves. You can't turn on any music channel without seeing Madonna's face (--not that there's anything wrong with that ;-) -- It's about time they gave some real airtime to joni. Anyone have a phone number and/or email address for VH1? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:28:18 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Day in the Garden - Pete? Pete was great and sang (from what I remember) Drowned from Quad, Behind Blue Eyes, I'm an Animal (from empty Glass), You Better You Bet, Acid Queen (with his back up singer-don't recall her name) and Taj Mahal came out and played Sight to the Blind (from Tommy)!!! He played more than that but I can't remember the whole setlist. I already mentioned the Gospel Choir finale of See Me Feel Me. He was phenomenal. So was Lou Reed, he really rocked! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:48:38 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: garden photo At 11:25 AM 8/17/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Does anyone think it would help to call >record stores and ask when they will be >getting ttt? Even tho we know the release >date, such inquiries might help influence >the in-store placement and be a factor >in whether it is prominently displayed. > Bill & Marsha & all, I have been doing this already - every CD place i went to in Burlington VT, every CD place i went to in Ottawa, Ontario and of course all around CT. It's very easy folks, just get your little quaint, inquisitive voices going " Can you please tell me when the new Joni Mitchell CD is coming out?". I know, it's hard to play dumb but we gotta do it. >Also- I really think that we should start >calling vh1 and give a strong push for them >to give joni the attention she deserves. >You can't turn on any music channel without >seeing Madonna's face (--not that there's >anything wrong with that ;-) -- >It's about time they gave some real airtime >to joni. Anyone have a phone number and/or >email address for VH1? > Yes, I watched Madonnarama on VH1 (and enjoyed it) but now it is time for Joni. We can always go to VH1.com (i think) and vote. I can't remember exactly but, I know we can vote. I'm going there now. I'm going to state to VH1 that i was at "the garden" and Joni was marvelous! Can't wait to see what VH1 will do. > Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:02:58 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: garden photo Bill asked: > Does anyone think it would help to call > record stores and ask when they will be > getting ttt? Yes, I've been doing that for awhile. If we want to be sneaky, we can assume phony accents and call multiple times! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:47:39 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Jane Siberry (NJC) Thanks for the update on Jane Siberry. She is definitely someone that a lot of people on the list would love. She has an amazing voice, is a beautiful songwriter, and goes off on these riffs that are just incredible. "When I was a Boy" is one of my favorite albums of all time and contains songs that are "normal" length and incredible (like "Love is Everything" or "Calling All Angels") to long, winding, almost improvisational songs (like "All the Candles in the World" or "The Gospel According to Darkness"). I know we are all in a tizzy about that other Canadian singer that we love, but Jane, the other Canadian, should be given a listen also. If you haven't already. the life is the red wagon rolling along the life is the red wagon simple and strong the life is the red...is the red... oh, it's no big deal but when the feet are draggin' you pull me and I pull for you you pull me and I pull for you Her website: http://www.sheeba.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:07:31 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: garden photo At 12:02 PM 8/17/98 +0000, Messling wrote: >Yes, I've been doing that for awhile. If we want to be sneaky, we >can assume phony accents and call multiple times! Ya want it, I got, I **do** do accents.....French, Isreali, German, Italian, James Carvillian etc etc - The Saint ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:17:05 -0700 From: Michael Heath Subject: Re: Jane Siberry (NJC) Howard Motyl wrote: > Thanks for the update on Jane Siberry. She is definitely someone that a > lot of people on the list would love. Before I heard Siberry back in the early 80's, Mitchell was the only real song writing mentor I had. Siberry changed that. Both she and Mitchell share a total dedication to their muse. They are completely different in style, yet equally provocative spiritually...and you are rught, Howard, list people will definitely appreciate where she is coming from. cul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:30:31 -0400 From: Heather Subject: JMDL at the Garden Hey! everyone here's the VH1 address. Go over and request a Joni special. http://www.VH1.com/insidevh1/talkto/ Especially those who attended the concert. I think that will make some sort of impact. BTW - there were many people during the concert that were asking about all of us JMDLers. We had our beautiful shirts on 9T's and denim), Kate made nice JMDL/garden badges for us, Sue C.'s fantastic banner to Joni. I think there are many Joni fans who are not online or just didn't know about us. We did a good job (I think) advertising the JMDL. Don & Gene had a really big JMDL banner on the outside of the RV that they drove up from NJ (Don - did you get that thing out of there ok? ;-) The RV was statically parked facing people as they were leaving "the garden". The banner had a bright yellow background with JMDL in big blue letters. In size - it covered the front of the RV!! A bunch of us were groovin' to Joni's DJRD and MOA outside the RV after the show ended. People would stop and ask us what we were all about. That was cool. We are the JMDL and we love Joni - artist, poet, musician! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:38:14 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL at the Garden In a message dated 8/17/98 12:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luvart@snet.net writes: << Go over and request a Joni special. >> Done. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:48:31 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: SJC:DIG (DAY IN THE GARDEN) In a message dated 8/17/98 8:45:50 AM, you wrote: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: >> >> That's a mighty nice taste, but I read that while she and Stevie Nicks are >> getting $450k, Don Henley and Pete Townshend are each getting $550k. What kind >> of shit is that? Some fucked up shit, that's what kind. > >I say it's typical shit, Fred... typical, "normal", everyday shit. > >Marsha, (digging through my 70's jewelry looking for my "59cents" >button) Well, at least in this case it's 82 cents. Progress? Perhaps ... sort of. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:00:07 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: JMDL at the Garden At 12:30 PM 8/17/98 -0400, I wrote: The RV was statically parked >facing people as they were leaving "the garden". > > That's strategically parked. Sorry 'bout that - damn spell checker. Heather np: Come in from the Cold - NRH (still on my Joni high!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:41:43 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: JMDL at the Garden >Heather >np: Come in from the Cold - NRH (still on my Joni high!) And on your post high! :) It sounds like that much-needed rain hasn't reached you yet! Mark, in a very good mood for a change _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:39:00 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: JMDL at the Garden At 12:41 PM 8/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Heather >>np: Come in from the Cold - NRH (still on my Joni high!) > >And on your post high! :) It sounds like that much-needed rain hasn't >reached you yet! > >Mark, in a very good mood for a change > Mark! I'm glad you are in a good mood! Ooooo the rain is here alright. Rained all morning and is still sprinkling. I don't care! A good day to listen to Joni, post about my FIRST Joni experience and make my ever so tasty lasagna. Homemade sauce, veggies -Mmmmmmmmm good! Heather np: Hejira - super loud - need I say more? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:21:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer gibbons Subject: re Lillith Fair Someone(I forget who) posted that Natalie Merchant's daughter came out with her? Maybe I read it wrong; I didn't know Natalie Merchant had a daughter so I was just curious. Love all the posts here, and I love Joni Mitchell. I can't wait until next month for the new album!! Jennifer Gibbons _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Happy Birthday (Tuesday) Happy Birthday to a JMDL Gardener who promised to stop lurking and join the fun here on the list. queenaim@msn.com Amy from Michigan HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!! Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:38:56 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Happy Birthday (Tuesday) At 12:25 PM 8/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >Happy Birthday to a JMDL Gardener who promised to stop lurking and join the >fun here on the list. > >queenaim@msn.com Amy from Michigan > Happy Birthday you Leo you ;-) So nice to meet you! heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:22:43 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: More IM News (NJC but worth the read) This was posted to another mailing list I'm on. From what I've heard, a lot of AOL users have received this. >Dear America Online and Instant Message users, > > Our America Online staff is planning to take away our Instant messages >by September 14,1998. If you want to keep your Instant Messages free of >charge,send this mail to everyone you know. It will be used as a petition. >Each person you send this to, counts as one"signature." If this petition gets >1,000 "signatures," our Instant Messages will still be avaliable at no extra >charge. If America Online does not recieve 1,000 "signatures," Instant >Messages will still be avaliable, but only to those who pay an extra 15.00 >dollars a month. If you do not care about not getting any future Instant >Messages, please send this for the sake of those who want to keep thier >Instant Messages free of charge. Thank you for your time and consideration. > >Robert McDoggan >America Online >Assistance Director _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:50:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at the Garden (Somewhat long) Thanks Heather for the fashion report! I saw the NY Times photo this morning and the look was a little like Crocodile Dundee meets Banana Republic - very cute. Found it interesting that the Times reviewer was pretty much snotty to everyone else but Joni. Glad he knew better! You wrote: >She had on a beautiful silver bracelet on her left hand with a gold ring on her middle > finger and (what's this!) it appeared to be a diamond on her ring finger. > Set in silver (?) white gold (?) it was hard to tell. Sue Cameron and I > were discussing this. It may have been an opal. It was so shinny! A number of us at the May concerts and tapings also noticed the large diamond on her left ring finger. It was so sparkling you could notice it from very far away. Wondering, I checked out Donald's hands at the taping and noticed a wide band gold ring with a heart-shaped ruby or garnet on his right ring finger. Hmmmmm... Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:06:53 -0500 From: Kaye.Conant@ipaper.com Subject: I can't get this out of my head The last time I saw Joni it was Bethel in '98 and she told me, "A Day in the Garden is really great today - it's green and it's cool and it's full of fans who love to hear me play." She laughed and she said, "You think you're in tune? Just listen to my new songs, they're full of bloom. They're like happiness and heartache and overflowing with all this passion play." Passion play... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:34:43 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Fall Tour '98 In a message dated 8/14/98 3:48:58AM, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: << I think Dar Williams, Shawn Colvin, et al would unfortunately serve to perpetuate the inaccurate stereotypes of Joni's music and wouldn't really help to broaden her audience too much. >> I don't understand what you mean by "Perpetuate the inaccurate stereotypes of Joni's music". I would have thought a suitable opening act for Joni would be someone who's GOOD! Shawn Colvin is not merely good, she's great; her songs, singing and guitar playing are all in the first division, and she's also superb between songs - she has fabulous comic timing. I can't see what inaccurate sterotypes of Joni's or anyone else's music are involved here, and I think she'd be an ideal opening act for the Great Woman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:37:20 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: joni supermarket synchronicity In order to fully appreciate the Joni in the supermarket experience that I just had, I have to tell you all about my daughter, a budding young Joni fan (like she had any choice) I'll try not to get too cute--but I am her mom, after all. She is not really interested in grown-up music, but she has taken a shine to Joni, and sometimes before bedtime will drag her pillow around and say "I want Joni, mom." Which means that she wants to see the clip that recently reran on Letterman--Joni doing "Just Like This Train" solo. That usually puts her to sleep happy. She accepts no substitutes--has to be "Just Like This Train," which she refers to as "Lost My Heart." My husband even hunted my daughter down during Saturday's webcast so she could hear Joni sing "Just Like This Train" live. (I am pretty pleased to have a Joni fan in my family at long last, but I am also steeling myself for the day twenty or thirty years from now when I appear in one of my child's novels or short stories as the freaky Joni Obsessed Mother character. A risk I'll have to take.) So. Today is my little girl's fourth birthday, and after spending the morning taking care of the last few details for her soon to happen Rugrats theme party, I stopped by the bakery at my supermarket to pick up the cake. As I was spelling out my daughter's name for the cake decorator, K-E-L-L-E-N, what came on very loudly over the supermarket PA system? You can see it coming: "Just Like This Train." So I stood there and listened and just as Joni reached the last few bars, the cake decorating woman emerged from the back and handed me the cake on the very last note of the song. I usually dismiss stuff like this as coincidence, but I have to say the whole incident left me feeling a little freaky. Any interpretation for me, oh ye wise ones of the list? Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:39:45 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: joni supermarket synchronicity At 03:37 PM 8/17/98 -0700, Catherine Turley wrote: >I usually dismiss stuff like this as coincidence, but I have to say the >whole incident left me feeling a little freaky. Any interpretation for >me, oh ye wise ones of the list? A very poignant story, Catherine. BTW "Kellen" is a wonderful name, similar to "Kilauren" and "Kyla," which is my daughter's name. Anyway, I think Kellen is destined to be influenced by Joni and will grow up to be intelligent, independent, introspective, creative, and incapable of telling a lie...just like Joni...and what's wrong with that? :-) Scott P.S.: to all who have posted about A Day at the Garden, a big thank you!! It's been great reading about Joni's performance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:10:52 EDT From: BH1248@aol.com Subject: Re: joni supermarket synchronicity > to fully appreciate the Joni in the supermarket experience that > I just had As I exited Superamerica today I heard a couple of familiar notes which I knew belonged to Joni. I was prepared to re-enter the store in order to name that tune, but found speakers outside to serenade gasoline pumpers. Sure enough, it was "Come in from the Cold" and it was from "Night Ride Home", not a Muzak version. Kingpin (bummed 'cause my CMIARS is misplaced) NP: Dead Can Dance, "A Passage in Time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:23:26 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?NJC=97Working_On_Your_Clinton_Resignation_Memory?= Problem is he won't. Gee, I wonder if him and Bob Packwood shared blackbooks. Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:26:30 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Fall Tour '98 AzeemAK wrote in response to me: <<>> That both Joni and Shawn Colvin, regardless of their respective merits or lack thereof, have been pigeonholed by the media as folkie women with acoustic guitars is undeniable. After all, we spend a considerable amount of energy and JMDL bandwidth lamenting this fact regularly. If Joni really wants to expand her popularity somewhat this time out, she has to try to bust out of that box. No doubt she'd be happy to. Touring with an artist like Shawn Colvin would achieve the exact opposite: one woman in a box plus another woman in the same box equals a very constricted box. I think we all agree that her opening act should be "good," but just "good" isn't good enough. To be ideal, IMHO, it should be a "good" artist whose artistic vision is complementary, but challenging, to Joni's. Likewise for their fan base. Cassandra Wilson and Joni Mitchell perform together and each of them ends the night with some new fans. Shawn Colvin and Joni Mitchell perform together, and everyone there is either already a fan of both, or has their mind made up about *not* being a fan of one or the other already. Same goes for the media perception of the tour. A Shawn/Joni tour gets spun as a folkie woman mid-life Lilith redux. A Cassandra/Joni tour gets a second look for its unexpected pairing, and may even escape media reductionism to let the *music* be the focus for a change. Wouldn't that be nice? Of all the Day in the Garden coverage you've seen (including their own publicity) how much of it focused on Joni's experimentalism and how much of it focused on her supposed "hippy" roots? The media's a sucker for a stereotype. I say we make it as hard for them as possible. - --Michael, who thinks jazz fans will be more inclined to like TTT than folk fans anyway NP: R.E.M., _Murmur_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 17:40:41 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Photos from "Day in the Garden" Hi everyone, I have the first of the photos in from Sue, the official JMHP reporter and photographer, up on the "Day in the Garden" page. Have a look: http://www.JoniMitchell.com/OnTheRoadWoodstock98.html Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:47:11 EDT From: JAN201@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now Could someone please give me a book review on Joni Mitchell:Both Sides Now by Brian Hinton? Amazon.com has nothing about it on their site. Is it worth reading? Did everyone see the photo of Joni taking our picture in Monday's USA Today? The text really said nothing, but it's a fun picture! I'm loving everyone's reviews of the day. And the pictures are great, I hope there'll be lots more! Hello to Kate and Amy and Don and Gene and Chilihead and everyone else I met out there! Thanks for the badge, Kate; what a great idea and a wonderful souvenir! Later-- Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 17:58:42 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: TTT Hi everyone, Joni's new album "Taming the Tiger" is now confirmed for release on September 29th in the U.S., and September 28th elsewhere in the world. The first single will be "The Crazy Cries of Love," which would've also been my choice for a single from the album. Soon! Later, Wally The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:25:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory Other politicians do far far worse all the time. like deal in arms, drugs, assasins etc, dropping bombs on civilians, provide money to the likes of the IRA, condemn terrorism but only if it suits them. Monica is a woman. She was not raped nor coerced. What is she going on about? What Bill did was not moral. He has harmed his daughter-she is the one who counts. However, what Bill did is peanuts by comparison. from here, it has always seemed that people have had it in for Clinton ever since he first won. Personally, I don't have a strong opinion about who is your pres as long as he keeps his hand off that button and out of the affairs of other countries. It just seems daft that all this fuss is being made just cos he did it with someone else other than his Mrs. Now how is that different from what millions of str8 married men do everyday? Happy The Man wrote: > Problem is he won't. > > Gee, I wonder if him and Bob Packwood shared blackbooks. > > Peace, Craig - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:19:03 -0700 From: barbara wood Subject: garden jealousy I wish I wasnt such a newbie to computers and the web. I dont think I have sound on my computor (American Airlines provides Sabre) so I wasnt able to watch or hear it on the web. But I have loved every word you'all have written while waiting, watching and in review of Joni's day in the garden. Keep it up you lucky jmdls! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:30:55 -0400 From: Marsha Subject: Re: Fall Tour '98 Michael Yarbrough wrote: > > I think we all agree that her opening act should be "good," but just > "good" isn't good enough. To be ideal, IMHO, it should be a "good" > artist whose artistic vision is complementary, but challenging, to > Joni's. Joni should have no opening act. There is no one who could compare, contrast, nor complement her. No one should share the spotlight nor the bucks with SIQUOMB. There, it's settled... ;-D Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:42:15 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Fall Tour '98 Marsha joked: <<>> I know this was intended humorously, but it does touch on a concern I've kept hidden until now. I'm afraid that at this point Joni may *need* a well-chosen opener to help sell enough tickets (and split the expenses) to justify the financial risk. Sure *we* would love to be the only people at the concert, but I'd hate to see another financial debacle like the WTRF tour (according to Joni). Then she may *really* be done touring for good. - --Michael NP: Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions, _The Anthology 1961- 1977_, disc two ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:40:02 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Photos from "Day in the Garden" > http://www.JoniMitchell.com/OnTheRoadWoodstock98.html WOW! *Fantabulous* photos by Sue McNamara and another GREAT illustration by Ken Corral. The reviews are wonderful and I was smiling to read that so many had the same reactions (awe and happiness) to her performance as some of us did back in May. Can't wait to see and hear more about it! Kakki NP: CNN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:56:34 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: What a Day in the Garden!!! Hello to fellow Gardeners & Listers!! First I want to say what a genuine treat it was to meet and party with Lori Fye from San Antonio, Suze Cameron and her hubby Nate from Michigan, Sue McNamara, Brian Gross from south Jersey, Amy and Patty from Michigan and Ohio, Robbert from Holland, Kay Ashley, Don Fluke and his friend Gene, Mendi and her pals Mary and Joe, Jan and hubby Phil, Deb Messling and her boyfriend Fred Walzenfree (!), Heather, Brian and his wife Mrs. Chilihead (!), Simon, and Kai Wong -- my only regret of the entire weekend was not spending more time with all of you, AND missing all of Pete Townsend's set, and... well, perhaps not finding something a bit less "rustic" than the Starlite Marina and Lodge! It was meeting all of you and sharing our Joni-love that really made this whole experience such a wonderful event and memory! Arrived late Thursday night and hooked up with Lori at LaGuardia, the first in a series of happy and synchronicitous moments... Met the very hospitable and easy-going Suze and Nate the following day at the Starlite. Together we made our recon mission of the former Yasgur farm on Friday afternoon. Heard the the tail-end of Don Henley, and most of Stevie, until the rain chased us away. I'm glad I can say that I got rained on at old Woodstock! Later that day, met the vivacious Amy and Patty, then the loving Jan and Phil, all of them also staying at the sanitationally-challenged Starlite (!). Partied in the parking lot with Joni blaring from the Amy-Patty Party Van. At one point as I was walking toward the music and the happy JMDL Gardeners, I was struck with the awesome sensation that we were all there with the common purpose of seeing Joni because of our strong and long love for her and her music, a feeling that, even a few years ago, I couldn't imagine embracing! After imbibing and laughing, and running around videotaping people with the shaky-cam (!), we awoke early the following morning and made it to the festival gate at 7AM, plenty of time to stake out the prime left-center-front of the stage. As we unpacked some contraband (water, cameras, etc.), we unfurled Suze's AWESOME poster (JMDL [heart] JONI), and just before Joni's set, we got the permission of the surly-looking security guys in the pit to tape it to the front of the fence in front of the stage so that Joni could see it -- imagine our laughter and cheering when Joni strode out on stage with a camera to take our picture in front of it!! THANKS, SUZE!!! Melanie and Donovan were fine, but I really got my mind blown by Richie Havens -- he's the same as he ever was -- it may as well have been 1969! Most of what you've read in earlier reports says things about Joni's set that I can't add to with any eloquence or volume. I was lucky enough to be standing a mere fifty feet away from her, my view unobstructed -- a mainline to Joni. I could see every expression, hear every PERFECT note (and I do mean perfect!). It was pure bliss. I was awestruck, and then not so surprised -- it was everything I'd hoped to experience and more. I was very glad to hear some of the tunes that others had heard at the Wash./LA concerts, and more glad to see Joni's incredible band. Larry Klein: when he wasn't looking on with total love and admiration at Joni weaving her magic, he was jamming wildly with the beaming Brian Blade -- what a duo! Greg Liesz added mezmerising accompaniment on lap steel and electric guitar very soberly and professionally. Mark Isham, another highly accomplished veteran, blew out some tender howls on trumpet from behind his Foster Grants, and as cool as his demeanor was, I could see him smile every so often at all the cheers and shouts of love coming Joni's way. Thanks to those more clear-headed individuals who have recounted the set list -- I was rocking out in my little bit of heaven. It was sheer rapture. Jan's right -- although Joni's set seemed somewhat short (Lou Reed jacked up the jam at the farm by playing a very long and sizzling set) - -- we could have listened for hours and still have asked for more. There were a few moments when the very idea that I was standing in The Farm and about to see/was seeing/had just seen Joni, as well as Melanie, Donovan, Richie Havens, Lou, and Pete Townsend... it struck me full force -- it was truly epic and astounding. I'M SO GLAD I WENT!!! Thanks again to Don "Captain Tailgate" Fluke, Mendi and her JMDL blanket (!) and her pal Joey with the digital camera, Brian Gross and his Joni yearbook (and a tasty preview of Tape Tree #7), SueMac for snapping the photos and being our press rep, Robbert for gifting me with a Joni boot-CD of her '94 Toronto concert (soon to be made available to Simon and Brian), Spy-man Simon (quiet, and with reason!), Frank Tortorici from "Addicted to Noise" for reaching out to Gardeners for interview material, Suze for her wonderful banner, and EVERYONE for making it such a great and memorable time. Special thanks to Lori, Suze and Nate, and Brian for driving around vehicle-free me! Thank you again to Les for setting us up with the Garden list, Wally for being our General, and to the stern-looking security guy who, with total cool and professionalism, agreed to take some of my JMDL Gardener tags backstage to Joni and the band! (I have no doubt she received them!) So many details to remember, but so many boxes to unpack, so thanks to the List for reading! Much love to all, Kate in CO xoxoxox ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:54:41 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: NJCWorking On Your Clinton Resignation Memory >What Bill did was not moral. He has harmed his daughter-she is >the one who counts. However, what Bill did is peanuts by comparison. How do you think Hillary feels? I know she has said she loves Bill unconditionally-and all marriages should be like that. People make mistakes and they shouldn't be branded for them! >Personally, I don't have a strong opinion about who is your pres as long >as he >keeps his hand off that button and out of the affairs of other >countries. You should do the same. You don't hear any of us Americans or Canadians or Argentinians, etc. sticking our noses into how the Parlaiment is screwed up (If it is). Personally, I think this is a thread that should die right here and now. Are you getting tired of us talking about the Garden? How many of us would rather talk about that then Bill and Monica! Mark, proud American _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:57:16 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Fall Tour '98 Here, here! She could use up the time that would normally be reserved for the opening act and do a private concert for us Jmdlers! Yea! Mark, dreaming again Marsha wrote in reply to Michael: >Joni should have no opening act. There is no one who >could compare, contrast, nor complement her. >No one should share the spotlight nor the bucks with >SIQUOMB. _____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua/ | |___________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:24:10 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: No Apology The President offered no apologies He said, "I erred in judgement I should have hired a hooker" No apologies To the outraged Lewinsky's No "Sorry little girl" He just took her Cassettes and dress stains What happened to this place? Lawyers and Presidents Are laying America to waste. Leslie Leslie Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #305 ************************** Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?